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July 18, 2023
Ukraine Sitrep – Reality Defeats The War Narrative

At the beginning of the war in Ukraine I pointed out that the false narrative of ‘Ukraine is winning’ which the ‘western’ propaganda steadily promoted would not win the real war on the ground.

As the war continued I made the point again and again.

In this week’s SCF column Alastair Crooke makes the same point in much more detail.

A Bonfire of the Vanities

Hubris consists in believing that a contrived narrative can, in and of itself, bring victory. It is a fantasy that has swept through the West – most emphatically since the 17th century. Recently, the Daily Telegraph published a ridiculous nine minute video purporting to show that ‘narratives win wars’, and that set-backs in the battlespace are incidentals: What matters is to have a thread of unitary narrative articulated, both vertically and horizontally, throughout the spectrum – from the special forces’ soldier in the field through to the pinnacle of the political apex.

The gist of it is that ‘we’ (the West) have compelling a narrative, whilst Russia’s is ‘clunky’ – ‘Us winning therefore, is inevitable’.

It is easy to scoff, but nonetheless we can recognise in it a certain substance (even if that substance is an invention). Narrative is now how western élites imagine the world.

The weakness to this new ‘liberal’ authoritarianism is that its key narrative myths can get busted. One just has; slowly, people begin to speak reality.

Ukraine: How do you win an unwinnable war? Well, the élite answer has been through narrative. By insisting against reality that Ukraine is winning, and Russia is ‘cracking’. But such hubris eventually is busted by facts on the ground. Even the western ruling classes can see their demand for a successful Ukrainian offensive has flopped. At the end, military facts are more powerful than political waffle: One side is destroyed, its many dead become the tragic ‘agency’ to upending dogma.

Even as reality seeps out the narrative of a ‘successful’ western battle tactics in form of combined arms warfare gets reinforced.

Ukraine aims to sap Russia’s defenses, as U.S. urges a decisive breakthroughWashington Post

Western officials and analysts say Ukraine’s military has so far embraced an attrition-based approach aimed largely at creating vulnerabilities in Russian lines by firing artillery and missiles at command, transport and logistics sites at the rear of the Russian position, instead of conducting what Western military officials call “combined arms” operations that involve coordinated maneuvers by large groups of tanks, armored vehicles, infantry, artillery and, sometimes, air power.

Ukraine’s military leaders argue that, lacking aviation might, they must avoid unnecessary losses against an adversary with a far larger pool of recruits and weaponry. To preserve manpower, Ukraine has fielded just four of a dozen trained brigades in the current campaign.

A new element in the narrative is that Ukraine is loosing because it does not use the glorious combined arms operations ‘western’ military told them to use.

Franz-Stefan Gady, from the British International Institute for Strategic Studies, has just been in Ukraine where he talked with Ukrainian soldiers and commanders at the frontline. In a Twitter thread he summarizes what he has seen but is strongly promoting the same narrative:

By and large this is an infantryman’s fight (squad, platoon & company level) supported by artillery along most of the frontline. This has several implications:
1st: Progress is measured by yards/meters and not km/miles given reduced mobility.
2nd: Mechanized formations are rarely deployed due to lack of enablers for maneuver. This includes insufficient quantities of de-mining equipment, air defenses, ATGMs etc.

2.) Ukrainian forces have still not mastered combined arms operations at scale. Operations are more sequential than synchronized. This creates various problems for the offense & IMO is the main cause for slow progress.

4.) Minefields are a problem as most observers know. They confine maneuver space & slow advances. But much more impactful than the minefields per se on Ukraine’s ability to break through Russian defenses is 🇺🇦s inability to conduct complex combined arms operations at scale.
Lack of a comprehensive combined arms approach at scale makes Ukrainian forces more vulnerable to Russian ATGMs, artillery etc. while advancing. So it’s not just about equipment. There’s simply no systematic pulling apart of the Russian defensive system that I could observe.

The narrative element is the same as in the Washington Post. That the Ukrainians are not using our vaunted combined arms operations is the reason for their failure.

The well synchronized New York Times piece is making the same point:

But that artillery-centric approach raises questions about whether Ukraine has lost confidence in the combined arms tactics — synchronized attacks by infantry, armor and artillery forces — that nine new brigades learned from American and other Western advisers in recent months. Western officials heralded the approach as more efficient than the costly strategy of wearing Russian forces down by attrition and depleting their ammunition stocks.

Senior U.S. officials in recent weeks had privately expressed frustration that some Ukrainian commanders, exasperated at the slow pace of the initial assault and fearing increased casualties among their ranks, had reverted to old habits — decades of Soviet-style training in artillery barrages — rather than sticking with the Western tactics and pressing harder to breach the Russian defenses.

However, the narrative is wrong.

The Ukrainian do not fear increased casualties. They did try combined arms warfare in the beginning of the counteroffensive in early June. After a few days of trying again and again they noted that the attacks failed with ever greater losses and were not sustainable. A third of the tanks and other material the ‘west’ had sent to Ukraine was destroyed in the attempts to use ‘fire and maneuver’ to break through Russian mine fields and defense lines.

Ukraine then returned to the current ‘mosquito tactics’ where small groups of infantry soldiers try to make small progress bit by bit. The likely loss of more tanks was thus replaced with the likely loss of more lives.

The narrative element that a combined arms attack would have more success is simply false.

As Crooke explains:

The hubris, at one level, lay in NATO’s pitting of its alleged ‘superior’ military doctrine and weapons versus that of a deprecated, Soviet-style, hide-bound, Russian military rigidity – and ‘incompetence’.

But military facts on the ground have exposed the western doctrine as hubris – with Ukrainian forces decimated, and its NATO weaponry lying in smoking ruins. It was NATO that insisted on re-enacting the Battle of 73 Easting (from the Iraqi desert, but now translated into Ukraine).

In Iraq, the ‘armoured fist’ punched easily into Iraqi tank formations: It was indeed a thrusting ‘fist’ that knocked the Iraqi opposition ‘for six’. But, as the U.S. commander at that tank battle (Colonel Macgregor), frankly admits, its outcome against a de-motivated opposition largely was fortuitous.

Nonetheless ‘73 Easting’ is a NATO myth, turned into the general doctrine for the Ukrainian forces – a doctrine structured around Iraq’s unique circumstance.

In the first year of the second world war the German Wehrmacht used combined arms warfare to wage its blitzkrieg against inferior adversaries. The tactic failed two years later when it tried to break through solid Soviet defense lines.

In the battle of 73 Easting the U.S. army could repeat blitzkrieg tactics because he had air superiority, well trained troops and better weapons. But the circumstance in Ukraine can not be compared to a mobile war in the desert.

The Black Sea grain deal has, as we expected, ended. The Ukraine reacted to this anticipated loss with a another successful attack on the Kerch bridge. Road traffic will be hindered or blocked for two or three months but the more important rail lines along the route are still intact.

As the grain deal was expected to fail, the Ukrainians may well have thought of breaking the blockade of its harbors by asking for more ships to come. But the Russia military has now used a large drone and missile attack to make sure that the facilities in Odessa and other Ukrainian Black Sea harbors can no longer be used to load or unload ships. It thus does not make sense for any ships to go there.

Over the last week the ground war in east Ukraine has further intensified. In the north of the eastern contact line the Russian army has launched its own attacks. In the center and south the Ukrainians still try to break through Russian defenses. But they are losing about 700 soldiers per day with little to show for the losses.

The Russian’s are again concentrating on the defeat of the Ukrainian artillery. Over the last five days they claimed to have destroyed 27 brigade level ammunition depots. Each of these should usually hold around 30 tons of shells and missiles. Thus such attacks add up. During those five days the Russians also claimed to have destroyed some 66 Ukrainian artillery pieces. It is race of what will be completely lost first, the ammunition the Ukrainian’s can use or the guns that are needed to fire it.

But some Ukrainians still insist on continuing the senseless fight.

War Monitor @WarMonitors – 10:38 UTC · Jul 18, 2023

⚡️“Returning Bakhmut is a matter of honour. We have lost many of our brothers there, we simply must recapture it”— Syrsky during a BBC interview

The way too emotional interview quote is not in the writeup of the BBC interview but I still have not seen a video of it.

That Ukraine has already lost many soldiers in Bakhmut should certainly not be a reason to continue fighting for it. It has by now only symbolic value. Even it would again change hands it would not change the trajectory of the bigger war.

Ukraine is loosing that war. The Jig Is Up and NATO knows it. Ukraine will never be allowed to become a member.

A new narrative element is creeping in with talks about a ceasefire in Ukraine. It would give the Ukraine time to refit its military.

But Russia has absolutely no reason to agree to a pause in the fight. During the war its military has become larger and better and a total defeat of the Ukrainian army is only a question of time.

The U.S. and NATO will soon have lost their big proxy war against Russia.

In light of this reality the much larger, centuries old narrative of the superior West is also breaking down.

This will have global consequences for decades to come.

Comments

Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 15:12 utc | 298–
Thanks for that news. Crazy Train should take note of yet another example of the SMO going beyond its initial area of operations. Essentially, Russia has announced a blockade as any vessel attempting to transit to Ukraine becomes a target. Who will be first?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 15:24 utc | 301

However it is my view that the western decision makers have managed to convince themselves that Russia is indeed on the verge of collapse. They have fallen for their own propaganda. And herein lies the risk. Emotional involvement to a failed policy risks doubling down, ever more escalation and with nuke armed adversaries.
Posted by: marcjf | Jul 19 2023 13:12 utc | 279
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Well stated and agreed.
Keep in mind that Janet Yellen started coordinating the saanctions in November well before the February 2022 SMSO.
The former Swiss NATO intelligence analyst, Jacques Baud, stated it well a long time ago. The two breakaway ‘volks republiks’ were recognized by the Russian Dumas who order Putin to construct a defense agreement. Z relocated 60,000 tropps near those two oblasts and dramatically increased shelling, causing Biden to predict mid-Feb that Putin would invade, which he did a few days later. Baud’s position is that Putin did so reluctantly.
That followed the long ago forecast from William Burns, now CIA Director and still someone the Russians will talk with.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 15:25 utc | 302

@ sean the leprechaun | Jul 19 2023 15:23 utc | 301
Why are you assuming that elensky is a decision maker?

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2023 15:27 utc | 303

A modest suggestion…
Far too much non-Ukraine stuff is winding up in the Ukraine thread, imho. There is another thread, you know, often called something like Open (Not Ukraine) Thread. Perhaps that might be a better place for the plethora of irrelevant comments above, which make our Ukraine thread less useful for lurkers like myself.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 19 2023 15:05 utc | 297
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Exactly.
US Elections and a few other topics have another venue, but should not be in this by now long thread.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 15:30 utc | 304

‘Sorry for the OT,b. Anthony Watts used to be a weatherman here where I live. He’s a pretty good guy, and a devout Christian, for what it’s worth. Also, he doesn’t have an ego that needs to be massaged. His site is informative and you don’t have to read the articles if that’s your choice.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 19 2023 14:44 utc | 293’
Thanks, ID. My original post was aimed at calm-headed folk like yourself, who might want to see facts, studies, science etc that is unspun and properly referenced to their sources.
And I did suggest it was OT, so I left it there – it’s for another day or another thread.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 19 2023 15:32 utc | 305

В связи с прекращением функционирования «черноморской инициативы» и сворачиванием морского гуманитарного коридора, с 00.00 московского времени 20 июля 2023 года все суда, следующие в акватории Черного моря в украинские порты, будут рассматриваться как потенциальные перевозчики грузов военного назначения.
▫️ Соответственно, страны флага таких судов будут считаться вовлеченными в украинский конфликт на стороне киевского режима.
▫️ Кроме того, ряд морских районов в северо-западной и юго-восточной частях международных вод Черного моря объявлены временно опасными для судоходства. Соответствующие информационные предупреждения об отзыве гарантий безопасности мореплавателям изданы в установленном порядке.
Due to the termination of the operation of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00.00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all vessels traveling in the Black Sea to Ukrainian ports will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo.
Accordingly, the flag countries of such vessels will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.
In addition, a number of marine areas in the north-western and south-eastern parts of the international waters of the Black Sea have been declared temporarily dangerous for navigation. Relevant information warnings about the withdrawal of safety guarantees to seafarers have been issued in accordance with the established procedure.

Posted by: rumod said | Jul 19 2023 15:33 utc | 306

The”>https://www.spionkop.co.za/pages/behind-the-name-spionkop/“>The name Spion Kop or Spioenkop – ’Spy or lookout hill’ Nothing fancy at all …
’The Kop’ at Anfield
The Lancashire Brigade comprised the majority of the force on Spioenkop, hence the ‘Kop End’ at the home of Liverpool football.

Battle”>https://thedrakensberg.net/the-battle-of-spionkop/“>Battle of Spioenkop
The British believed that by traversing the hill of Spionkop, they could cross the mighty barrier of the Thukela (thunder in Zulu) River. General Louis Botha was using this as his defensive line. Therefore, a contingent made up of 1,700 men from the 2nd Lancashire Fusiliers, six companies of the 2nd King’s Own Royal Lancaster and two from the 1st South Lancashire. Additionally with 200 dismounted men from Thorneycroft’s Mounted Infantry were ordered to ascend this mountain on the evening of 23 January. Unfortunately, they failed on two occasions to entrench properly. Finally, at the crest of Spionkop, their second attempt resulted in trenches that ran parallel to the Boers Krupp and pom-pom guns on Aloe Knoll, Green Hill and Twin Peaks. What ensued was an absolute slaughter.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 19 2023 15:34 utc | 307

Alastair Crooke re narrative delusion:
“They quake, not just at a ‘Russia empowered’, but rather at the prospect the new multi-polar order led by Putin and Xi that is sweeping the globe will tear down the myth of Western Civilisation.”
This is the core of it–feeding the “hubris” which is a term indicating tragic flaw (as with humans too weak to reason effectively), not just maniacal aggression.
The fear has been stirring for years now, aligned with news and developments of “the new silk road”). Fear feeds delusion and narrative falseness–as with covid and how many were taken in by wild exaggeration favoring a cover-up and economic profit. Then penetration of the delusion takes years, as Crooke indicates, with good example how long it took the American public to realize the stupidity of the Vietnam War.

Posted by: botete | Jul 19 2023 15:34 utc | 308

I’d just like to point out that while the neo-libricons (yes both parties/wings) are trying their hardest to start WW3 with Russia and China, the Biden admin just gave “trans” soldiers the OK to skip deployments, and gave them unlimited physical fitness waivers.

Posted by: Oldcutlas | Jul 19 2023 15:37 utc | 309

White South Africaner farmers may the solution Russia needs to repopulate and restore Ukranian agriculture in the “Rump” and other areas in the west. The Black South Afican government is confiscating their farms and waging a genocidal war against the white Africaner population. They are ready to find a new home and have skills needed to redevelop a new Russian Ukraine.
Putin should make them an offer. Better yet Wagner, with the understanding they can keep part of the lands they free for new homesteads. Africaners better than Western Agricultural interests.

Posted by: Jerr | Jul 19 2023 15:38 utc | 310

Wow South Africa! This means they would have arrested and handed him over to NATO.
This is the end of BRICS. Both India and SA are shitting all over the place.

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 19 2023 15:49 utc | 311

@karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 15:24 utc | 302

Essentially, Russia has announced a blockade as any vessel attempting to transit to Ukraine becomes a target. Who will be first?

Thank you for commenting on that, yes I agree with your assessment that this is a blockade.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 15:49 utc | 312

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 15:24 utc | 302
“Who will be first?
Well, Moskva already had ‘an unexplained fire’, what’s the name of the current flag ship?

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jul 19 2023 15:52 utc | 313

311 Jerr
Magnificent suggestion. Russia will provide an oven-ready hate fetish for the white South Africans on losing their current hate fetish against black Africans. There are many black Africans in Russia to cement that hate fetish firmly. Don’t worry, any gaps in the Azov-African, white supremacy logic can be smoothed over with large doses of amphetamines. And Russia can literally kill two birds with one stone, ridding the world of two sets of crazies in one SMO.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 19 2023 15:54 utc | 314

@ Jerr | Jul 19 2023 15:38 utc | 311
That already happen 10 yeas ago. I think that there are around 200 or so landowners and farming areas developed by SA. There is much of a SA know-how in RF, helping to a successful grain and other stuff cultivation.
At least it was so 4-5 years ago.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 19 2023 15:56 utc | 315

I also dont think that the interests and backgrounds of the counties in BRICS are convergent. Both China and Russia are old established countries well on the civilisational map – first world – and in need of world order, not economic development from the lows. The rest are newcomers historically without tradition and only with economic interests in mind.
This makes BRICS a bad place to be as the common between all these countries is the lukewarm opposition to the first world, not fundamental likeness.

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 19 2023 15:59 utc | 316

Giyane | Jul 19 2023 11:27 utc | 248
***Could it be that after the Ukrainian neocons and the Russian Jewish community, which a large component of Isarel, have wrought their historic revenge, they will stop unjustly persecuting the Palestinians who have lived there from time immemorial.***
Still a very strong reason why not to ease off …. DNA.
Non-Sephardic caims — biblically based, by atheists? — to the area now called Israel are rather flakey when the Paleatinians are beyond doubt long-term indigenous, but the imperialistic claimants are of mostly Khazarian origin.
So the Palestinians must be obliterated, though bit by bit for PR reasons and to keep the money pouring in from abroad.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 19 2023 16:09 utc | 317

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 19 2023 15:59 utc | 317
This way of thought leads to erroneous conclusions q.e.d. – it’s the same zero-sum game methodology that has led the west towards this current unfolding disaster. You must do better!

Posted by: irish al | Jul 19 2023 16:13 utc | 318

Posted by: irish al | Jul 19 2023 16:13 utc | 319
I am not an expert on BRICS and may be wrong here, who knows what their internal dynamic is. I am just seething with anger at this betrayal.
Let me ask a question: how would you launch a common trade policy – even a common currency for settlement – with a country that is willing to arrest and hand over your president to your enemies?

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 19 2023 16:17 utc | 319

RU has also now used cluster munitions on two occasions. Once somewhere west of Kleschevka-Kurdumyivka area, and once in Zaporozhye. Military summary said the former strike was reported as relatively destructive, don’t know about latter (this came later in the day).

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 19 2023 16:19 utc | 320

Jul 19 2023 15:37 utc | 310
***.. the Biden admin just gave “trans” soldiers the OK to skip deployments, and gave them unlimited physical fitness waivers.***
Conserved for use in US / NATO internal represion?

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 19 2023 16:22 utc | 321

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 19 2023 16:17 utc | 319
Good point – there is a lack of clarity about how SA would have reacted to Putin’s presence at the meeting – depending upon the source, I’ve seen that they would either arrest him or not arrest him. Sending Lavrov seems to be a reasonable approach and as noted by other commentators allows the business of BRICS to focus without needless distractions.
This period of transition away from the western hegemony of a unipolar world to something that we hope will be better/fairer for all nations takes us all into uncertain territory and there is a danger that it could all blow up in our silly faces if the bullies feel that they are pushed too far too soon.

Posted by: irish al | Jul 19 2023 16:24 utc | 322

malenkov@304….sorry for your misinterpretation. No where did I write Zielinski makes decisions. Just pointing out Putin is confined to what amounts to house arrest, Z, not so much.
The decision makers, are in the Decision Centres, like 70,00 tons of fuel that Russia just blew up yesterday (how long was that there and being used) does Russia know who and where they are? Whom is protecting whom, and what. Similar to WW2 Germany. Corporations that had huge US investments were not bombed during the war. That allowed Germany to ramp up quickly after the war…..seems Ukraine is in on the same Corporate Dictator plan.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 19 2023 16:25 utc | 323

Quite frankly, I wonder how useful or necessary BRICS really is. SA is in every respect the weakest link, and the SCO would seem to be a more meaningful (and much larger) international organization. FWIW, however, Brazil hasn’t shown any interest in the SCO.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2023 16:30 utc | 324

Russia never clarified till now whether Putin would go or not and got criticized on MoA for looking weak. It’s just as likely that it was SA that vacillated and in the end asked Putin not to put them in a predicament.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 16:32 utc | 325

sean the leprechaun writes: “The decision makers, are in the Decision Centres, like 70,00 tons of fuel that Russia just blew up yesterday (how long was that there and being used) does Russia know who and where they are?”
—a fuel depot is neither a decision maker nor a decision center.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2023 16:33 utc | 326

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 19 2023 16:17 utc | 321

I am not an expert on BRICS and may be wrong here, who knows what their internal dynamic is. I am just seething with anger at this betrayal.

It is not betrayal.
It is survival.
South Africa is a weak country, fractured along class lines, race lines, ruled by imbeciles and parasites of every stripe (both black and white), skin color and cultural denomination.
The US Dom and it’s NATO Subs won’t hesitate to turn South Africa into another Iraq.
The very least it’s feeble, moronic leaders can do is not incur the displeasure of powers that could end it in a single night.
Remember:
Betrayal is only the privilege of those with power.
The weak cannot betray, they can only kneel.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 16:38 utc | 327

@ Giyane 316
The hate fetishist is with the Black SA government this go around.
SA whites are about business and not about black Russians.
They’ve also had enough of the Azov type totalitarians. (both black and white).

Posted by: Jerr | Jul 19 2023 16:39 utc | 328

Good Lord Giyane. Have you ever met a real farmer? These white farmers from the former Rhodesia and South Africa absolutely would make that Ukie black dirt bloom like never before.
For those concerned with alleged racist past, I am sure the FSB could do a good job vetting them.
And by the way, I bet quite a few black South African farmers might like to join up as well.

Posted by: morongobill | Jul 19 2023 16:44 utc | 329

SA could have handled this far better, for instance stating that they cant guarantee the safety of Putin at the summit or something in that trend.
BRICS is still young and countries are there that dont trust themselves and are weak, easily coerced, pols threatened or made subversive. It is quite fragile and the thin line connecting all can be snapped at any moment.
This is exactly what NATO wanted with the ICC farce: create divisions and force countries to choose a side. But this is a great dagger in the heart of BRICS and by extension other such orgs like SCO, at least in our view of the importance of them.

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 19 2023 16:44 utc | 330

319 cynic
Biblical claims
The Bible was cancelled 2000 years ago, and replaced with a pagan substitute son of God which was replaced 1440 years ago by the current and final version of Islam.
Ukraine , I agree with you completely , is a mixing pot of Sephardic revenge against Khazar Nazism and Khazar Nazism revenge against Russia. Whatever…
British Red and Blue Tories who voted to send asylum seekers to Rwanda, and thereby lose their seats in Parliament at the next election , could also be sent to their Azov friends in remnant Ukraine, killing three Nazi birds with one stone, and I would add the Nazis of political Islam, as a cesspool of right wing psychopathy, for Russia to deal with over the next 30 years or more.
Pritti Patel and BoJo will find their spiritual home.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 19 2023 16:44 utc | 331

malenkov@326
BRICS is an idea slowly evolving into something concrete- the fact that the B survived Bolsonaro gives ine an idea of how nebulous the ‘not quite a thing yet’ is.
And then there is the ‘I’ and all that Modi represents…
As to Putin’s non-attendance, Lavrov is probably a superior substitute. If there are any important matters left over they can always be discussed in Moscow. In the meantime I don’t believe for a moment that any attempt to arrest Pitin would have occured- raising the possibility just adds to the credibility of an institution that has almost none, and in this case, is led by a British lawyer who is a disgrace to the profession. And that is saying something.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 19 2023 16:45 utc | 332

It’s good that Putin skips visiting SA. I thought he would be assassinated without hesitation especially shooting down his plane.
As for SA, it’s a weak nation, indeed, it’s barely a nation at all. Even Al Jezera has reported on its future as a failed state – bad roads, loss of electricity, rampant crime, lack of jobs, looting. There are interviews with SA blacks telling whites to leave – while the nation gets worse.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 19 2023 16:46 utc | 333

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 16:38 utc | 329

Betrayal is only the privilege of those with power.
The weak cannot betray, they can only kneel.

Belated expansion on that, and perhaps more O.T than my previous comments on this thread:
The fact that S.A has to bow to the West re.: the ICC is to some degree an indication of Russia’s limited capability to protect it’s “friends”.
Contrast:
When Uncle Sam spreads his foul-smelling, leathery, rotting wings over some tiny country (e.g ‘israel’) in protection, nobody touches it.
When he declares it’s friends under his circle of protection, they are off limits to other states.
Why has Russia not extended the same privilege to S.A?
Putin could have placed South Africa under the protection of it’s nuclear umbrella as a warning to the west against political coercion, then offered them an opportunity to join an alternative version of the ICC.
Moreover, the inability of South Africa to oppose western institutions like the ICC is shared by all the states in the corridor between Russia and South Africa: They are all weak states incapable of opposing the West to guarantee a safe flight corridor for Putin.
So, if one has eyes to see, it should be clear South Africa’s action have little to do with ‘betrayal’. More to do with the pragmatism of survival.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 16:48 utc | 334

malenkov @ 326
The weak link is India which would have a problem with a BRICS currency as China would be the 800lb gorilla in the room. That’s why there won’t be a BRICS currency coming from this meeting. The only way out is for a very carefully structured currency that is tied to a basket of currencies and resources that benefits no one more than another relative to population and GDP – kind of an open source currency. Lots of work still to get that off the ground.
I have no idea where rumors of a gold backed BRICS currency is coming from as it’s absurd, likely foisted by triumphalist Escobar way out ahead of himself as usual. Gold pegged to a bottom like Russia did right after sanctions maybe but even that would be a bonus for some but a straight jacket for others, and a big fail waiting to happen which would destroy the whole idea for a couple of decades. The BRICS have one chance to get this right.
Gold backed the USA could use its market control to make traders buy trillions with printing press dollars and then demand conversion in gold, in fact I don’t think traders would need much coercion from Uncle Sam.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 16:49 utc | 335

Due to the termination of the operation of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00.00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all vessels traveling in the Black Sea to Ukrainian ports will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo.
Accordingly, the flag countries of such vessels will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.

This is a rather big step. Moscow effectively cut off The Ukraine from all shipping. They musta gamed this step out a hundred different ways. Suspect Ankara knew ahead of time

Posted by: Exile | Jul 19 2023 16:59 utc | 336

malenkov@…correct… I’ll seperate it for you, Russia didn’t know there was 70,000 tons of fuel…..why would they know where the Decision Makers are?

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 19 2023 17:01 utc | 337

@ LightYearsFromHome: I agree that Escobar is, to put it mildly, optimistic. It seems to me that,to avoid the scenario you suggest, a gold-backed BRICS currency should be purchaseable from outside of BRICS by using actual gold — a logistical nightmare — as the value of fiat currencies vis-à-vis the BRICS currency would quickly drop toward zero. Then the problem would be one of trade, wouldn’t it? BRICS countries could no longer meaningfully trade outside of BRICS except in terms of bartering goods. But perhaps I should stop before incurring several tens of thousands of words from whatever Derek Henry is calling himself today.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2023 17:03 utc | 338

Q: I’ve recently heard a claim, not on this site, that Russia has amassed 100K troops just outside SE Ukraine to use in an offensive. Any takes on this claim? Thanks.

Posted by: bob902 | Jul 19 2023 17:08 utc | 339

sean the leprechaun: Your assertion that Russia didn’t know about the fuel depot rests on a false assumption AND is demonstrably false—my compliments. As for the decision centers, the most important ones are in London and inside the Beltway, which Russia doesn’t attack for fairly obvious reasons. As for the more tactically oriented centers inside 404, their are plausible reasons for going slow with them: not wanting to compromise (or even blow up) informants, for instance.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2023 17:08 utc | 340

Posted by: bob902 | Jul 19 2023 17:08 utc | 341

Any takes on this claim? Thanks.

DPA, Weeb Union and Dima’s have reported on this (among other mappers on YT).
Either they’ve been misled my some serious maskirova or Russia is really gearing up for something big on that front.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 17:19 utc | 341

malenkov@342….they knew the damn fuel was there. They left it alone, we already have been told it’s open source, that the Ukraine’s largest fuel refinery was never shut down nor bombed, why, who owns it? It supports the war effort and the death of thousands……why was it not shut down. Far to many back room deals (Azov release, twice). Rail traffic still flows, spare me bring weapons to the front bs. As the war drags on more things go boom in Russia. …er, Crimea. And I ain’t talking bridges.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 19 2023 17:37 utc | 342

Unfortunately there is no exception to the rule that every technology has its share of duds. Will there be bomblets that fail to deactivate correctly according to the timer, and that kill children 20 years later as a result? Unfortunately I’d guess there will be some.
Posted by: BM | Jul 19 2023 14:01 utc | 287
Impossible. Its not a timer, its a battery that goes dead, once the battery is dead, the fuse cant be lit.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 19 2023 17:40 utc | 343

Posted by: marcjf | Jul 19 2023 13:12 utc | 279
Great analysis. Its true the Deep State envisioned “Shock and Awe” sanctions as the primary lever to force Putin from power to enable the split up and subsequent Babylonian debt slavery of Russia.
The Deep State fell prey to its own past 300 years of unrivaled success. Unfortunately for the Deep State they lost sight of the simple fact that their dominance was built on the foundation of Western technology which enabled a war machine that dominated the globe. Those heady days are over, never to be repeated.
Babylonian debt slavery is a tool of subjugating a defeated people. That is, the target people must first be defeated militarily. As the saying goes, Politics is War by other means.
The Deep State put the cart before the horse. Putin himself had no doubts about the military side for Russia, but was anxious about the economic. In any event Russia completely turned the sanctions sword on its wielders.
It was quickly apparent sanctions were a failed policy. If the Deep State had had a lick of sense they would have cut their losses and folded up Project Ukraine.
Russia is in no hurry to wrap this up. Ukraine was like the spoiled child in the USSR. They looked down with contempt on the Russian people. They could not swallow their pride and accept Russia as an equal and stay out of NATO and be neutral.
Indeed, now it’s to the last Ukrainian…

Posted by: Oswald | Jul 19 2023 17:40 utc | 344

Post-modernism at its finest. There is no objective reality. Reality is based solely on “lived experience.” And of course “lived experience” is based on the dominant narrative pushed by the elite.

Posted by: anti-republocrat | Jul 19 2023 18:08 utc | 345

@Giyane #248:

A few threads back somebody posted a description of Vladimir Putin being mentored by the Jewish community as a child. If that’s true…

A few threads back somebody posted a description of Vladimir Putin being mentored by dinosaurs as a child. If that’s true…

Posted by: S | Jul 19 2023 18:09 utc | 346

Posted by: S | Jul 19 2023 18:09 utc | 348
Like Hank Williams, he was not born but hatched instead. “I’ll Never Get Out of this World Alive

Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | Jul 19 2023 18:17 utc | 347

@ sean the leprechaun | Jul 19 2023 17:37 utc | 344
There may certainly be some corruption involved, but there are plenty of other plausible explanations that don’t involve “Putin is a Jew” or “The whole war is WEF kayfabe.” Much as I suspect it’s a waste of time for me to bother with you, I’ll name just one more: You don’t want to destroy all of the infrastructure in territories you’ll have to rebuild when the dust settles.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2023 18:17 utc | 348

Re: Gold Backed currency(s) ?
That’s the most robust end state,the challenge is how to get there without causing economic chaos. How technically to solve this is above my pay grade. Gold backed currencies functioned smoothly for booming international trade until 1915.
The beauty of gold backed currencies is that deflation is built in. Meaning saving and other virtuous behaviors are rewarded. Reflect on that aspect Barflies

Posted by: Exile | Jul 19 2023 18:17 utc | 349

S @ 348

A few threads back somebody posted a description of Vladimir Putin being mentored by dinosaurs as a child. If that’s true…

A she-wolf like Romulus and Remus? Ah! A she-bear!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 18:23 utc | 350

Posted by: S | Jul 19 2023 18:09 utc | 348

A few threads back somebody posted a description of Vladimir Putin being mentored by dinosaurs as a child. If that’s true…

An even more plausible account has him mentored by the KGB as a boy ..

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 18:25 utc | 351

Betrayal is only the privilege of those with power.
The weak cannot betray, they can only kneel.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 16:38 utc | 329
US Govt: A govt of
Secrets,
Lies,
Deceits, and
Betrayal

Posted by: El Oso de Los Llanos | Jul 19 2023 18:26 utc | 352

” White House press secretary has announced further air defense systems for Kiev, so that it can “shoot down Russian and Ukrainian drones”.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 19 2023 18:28 utc | 353

Russia just announced that effective midnight time in Moscow it will treat all vessels heading to Ukraine’s ports as military threats – as a “party to the conflict” and will respond accordingly…
Black Sea Closed.

Posted by: Just Observing | Jul 19 2023 18:50 utc | 354

Re: Cluster munitions and bomblets or submunitions, I’m pretty sure they are designed to explode on impact with a hard object like a building, a tank or the ground. So there wouldn’t be a “fuse” to light or whatever. Now, if we’re talking about incendiary munitions, designed to explode in the air and rain down burning fire on people, I didn’t think that was what Bidet has provided to the Ukros. But if we did, that’s doubly bad isn’t it? Seems like they might contain white phosphorous or something. Anyone know exactly what model/type of cluster ammo the US has sent to Ukraine?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2023 19:09 utc | 355

Today in Laughing my F*ckin’ Ass Off HAHAHAHAHA:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/19/europe/mi6-putin-wagner-rare-speech-intl/index.html
Putin cut a deal with Priggo to “save his own skin!” according to the MI6 and CNN.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2023 19:11 utc | 356

331 morongobill
In my experience the love of land is a kind of obsessive madness that ignores morality and creates wars. Humans are obsessed with Land and will betray everything and everybody to possess it.
This eyeing up of Ukraine by so far , Poland, Germany, FUKUSIS, Sweden, Turkey and several others is , in the context of half a million once civilian deaths in Ukraine, the epitome of human obscenity.
Farmers have no souls, just guarding
their wealth and looking for illegal ways to expand it.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 19 2023 19:37 utc | 357

Re: Cluster munitions and bomblets or submunitions, I’m pretty sure they are designed to explode on impact with a hard object like a building, a tank or the ground. So there wouldn’t be a “fuse” to light or whatever.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2023 19:09 utc | 357
If I remember correctly the cluster munitions that are used in artillery shells are designed to explode on impact. That requires a hard surface to get anything like reliable detonation. Given the soft ground in Ukraine a lot of them will remain lethal until they give out with age, which can be a very long period of time.
At least some land mines use a battery and self deactivate when the battery goes dead. Not what anybody wants in a back yard, but they will self deactivate faster than these cluster munitions.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jul 19 2023 19:42 utc | 358

Farmers have no souls, just guarding
their wealth and looking for illegal ways to expand it.
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 19 2023 19:37 utc | 359
In more primitive conditions, a farmer not “guarding your [his] wealth” means starving to death.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jul 19 2023 19:45 utc | 359

Posted by: Jerr | Jul 19 2023 15:38 utc | 312
The problem is that the element most hostile to Russia is exactly these European descendants of settlers, expressed through the Democratic Alliance (DA). They are very much attached to the mainstream narrative of the EU and NATO. It was the DA that had massive boardsigns calling for the arrest of Putin and it was basically black South Africans trashing those liberal fifth-columnists for that. There are exceptions, of course, but these appear to be the main trends.
In any case, it is indeed very bad optics. At the very least, this is a propaganda victory for the Anglo-American empire after the early defiant statements by Russian and South African officials and the current retreat. It would have been better if they had stated from the beginning that Putin would not attend due to serious threats by the global(ist) criminals and their prospective minions.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 19 2023 19:58 utc | 360

Posted by: Jmaas | Jul 19 2023 19:42 utc | 360
Some analysts speculated that the appearance of rubber turret covers on Soviet tanks, in the 80’s, weren’t lead lined nuclear radiation shields but designed to spoof the fuses of cluster munitions. The idea was that the softened impact would fail to trigger the fuse, then they realised a stronger turret traverse motor and reactive armour roof array were more likely to protect the target vehicle. It’s also why the 3% failure rate is a classic lying with statistics approach, as the test involved the sub-munitions impacting on hard sun-baked ground, hardly applicable for Ukraine.
I’ve just seen footage of a Russian cluster shell strike in Ukraine, so sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander time and the Ukrainian’s reliance on infantry offers a better target profile, for Russian gunners.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 19 2023 20:00 utc | 361

Posted by: Milites | Jul 19 2023 20:00 utc | 363
Russians will definitely use cluster munitions, but not everywhere. If they see a target of opportunity they will use it with devastating effect.
Cluster munitions aren’t really that effective against covered trenches, they may hit sometime, but they don’t physically destroy the trench. Trenches require HE shells. If you see a cluster munition dropping in a trench, it’s possible to remove it. Scott Ritter has talked about this countless of times.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 19 2023 20:16 utc | 362

Posted by: Oswald | Jul 19 2023 17:40 utc | 346
There is also the small matter of those people who head these institutions are rarely there for merit, but political orthodoxy, helming organisations that are progressively more incompetent, the lower you go down the hierarchy. Seizing ideological control of higher education and corrupting downwards, sounds like a winning tactic until you realise that it creates institutions staffed with clowns, who are asked to do clownish things by other clowns and, quite literally, the captured establishments have rapidly become circuses. Railing against white male toxicity, and demanding affirmative action, might create a warm glow of self-righteousness, but it ultimately produces organisations unfit for purpose.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 19 2023 20:20 utc | 363

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 19 2023 19:37 utc | 359
Do you practice at being ignorant or does it come naturally? Sorry, I am normally guarded in my criticism of fellow posters, but this recent statement borders on a stereotypical depiction of the embittered class warrior, rather like Marx I suppose.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 19 2023 20:27 utc | 364

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 19 2023 20:16 utc | 364
As they say, pick your weapon to suit the target: the footage mentioned was of a concentrated group of vehicles and accompanying dismounts, the result was devastating. Myself and other posters have speculated that the supply of cluster munitions is a tacit admission that the offensive has failed and the Russians are preparing their own, given cluster munitions were designed to counter large concentrations of attacking troops and their supporting units.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 19 2023 20:36 utc | 365

366 military
As I said soldiery and land go hand in hand. Taking a tour round Wiltshire and Dorset is like a pilgrimage of Anglosaxon warriors. Once they ran out of land to colonise Westwards they doubled back and colonised Africa Asia, China and then the US.
What you call my ignorance is just my rruth getting up your nose.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 19 2023 20:54 utc | 366

As a former Army officer, a few years behind COL McGregor and a platoon leader in the fights adjacent to the “Battle of 73 Easting” supporting 1st Infantry Division in the Gulf War, I’d like to correct a misunderstanding evidenced in the article. Combined arms operations is not some fancy esoteric NATO or US thing that “doesn’t work”. It is how armies fight effectively in both defense and offense since the dawn of armies as we know them. Combined arms may be a recent term but describes the ability to coordinate all the elements of combat power whether they are horse cavalry, infantry squares and Napoleon 6 pounders or modern infantry, armor, artillery, aviation, naval gunfire and all the other various supporting elements of a modern state’s armed forces. The Russians are conducting a very competent combined arms defense according to their doctrine and that’s why the Ukrainian Army is doing so poorly. Ukraine can’t crack this deliberate defense it because they are simply incapable for a number of reasons of conducting combined arms offensive operations. They can’t manage the coordinated movement of large, armored formations (above company/team level), can’t figure out how to support them with infantry (or vice-versa), can’t conduct breaching operations, can’t support with artillery (suppression, obscuration/smoke), can’t support with electronic warfare to suppress Russian drone reconnaissance and fire direction, can’t push resupply forward to sustain advancing forces, can’t conduct passage of lines to continue a successful attack with follow-on forces. They don’t have any air power, don’t have any tactical air defense, or suppression or enemy air defense, can’t synchronize “strategic” assets or deep strikes to support the offense. I worked as an observer controller at the National Training Center, Fort Irwin California and witnesses first-hand about 42 two-week rotations of US units fighting against the Blackhorse (11 ACR), the Army’s professional opposition forces at the time. That’s over 300 brigade sized battles in a realistic training environment, about every brigade combat team in the Army and a lot of the Reserve component as well. Their performance, all of them, ranged from merely bad to utterly incompetent and I can only recollect three instances where the blue forces could be considered to have “won” a battle. My point is that even the US with all its professional Army, shiny toys and massive training budget does not do warfare well without first going through extensive training at full-up brigade level. During the Gulf War for example, there were National Guard brigades that were activated to deploy for combat. Their performance even in gunnery qualification ranges (Tables 8 and 12) was so dismal to the point that they were a danger to themselves got them sent to the National Training Center forever for the duration of Desert Shield/Desert Storm; do-over after do-over and in my memory they were there for six months at least and it may have been a full year before they could pass the minimum requirements to deploy to combat. The Russians seem to be taking their sweet time so that they reduce casualties but their victory, as the author indicates, is absolutely inevitable. It would be delayed by the entry of NATO ground forces into the conflict but if anyone thinks that NATO armies would fare better than the Ukrainian ones they are mistaken. The Ukrainian soldiers may be untrained and underequipped and from what I have seen aware that they are fighting a lost cause, but they fight like demons and are as courageous as I have ever heard of. It is a shameful waste in every moral sense that hundreds of thousands of their best men will perish for absolutely nothing except furtherance of a great evil perpetuated by the United States against the entire world. My two cents…

Posted by: ctpalmer | Jul 19 2023 21:05 utc | 367

369 Why not break that up into 3 or 4 paragraphs?

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 19 2023 21:07 utc | 368

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 19 2023 20:54 utc | 368
You do practice, thanks for confirming that. By the way, truth is an objective, not subjective concept., the ‘my truth’ idea was borne of people losing fact based arguments. Interesting that you ascribe no agency to those colonised, they seem to be passive victims, dare I suggest that is quite racist. Hint, look at tribal migrations in Africa before you talk about colonisation being a solely Western feature. Same goes for America, check up the record of some of those ‘peaceful’ Native American tribes, though native to which part is sometimes a mystery, given the number of times they conquered each other.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 19 2023 21:14 utc | 369

I doubt that SA would have arrested Mr. Putin. He’s probably aware of the tightrope SA is walking and didn’t want to put them in a compromising situation. BRICS will continue, but it’s not a given that they’ll succeed.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 19 2023 21:29 utc | 370

Posted by: ctpalmer | Jul 19 2023 21:05 utc | 369
Your two cents are priceless here. Good comment.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Jul 19 2023 21:31 utc | 371

Maria Zakharova has written an article that was published in Rossiyskaya Gazeta connecting the support for todays UkroNazis with Germany’s current attitude towards WW2’s real Holocaust that claimed many more Slavs than any other ethnicity in Europe and argues that Nazism is very much alive and well within Germany and lives within Scholtz’s thought. I’ve translated the article and posted to my VK, Maria Zakharova: “In Memory of All Victims of the Holocaust”. IMO, it’s well past time to break the monopoly on Holocaust claims by one ethnicity that suffered far less than Slavs and Chinese. Denial of WW2’s genuine Holocaust allows for its roots to find fertile ground that begins with the discrimination of any specific ethnic group, which is what’s occurring with today’s Russophobia, Sinophobia, and Islamophobia. IMO, it’s quite correct to call the promoters of those phobia ProtoNazis.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 21:50 utc | 372

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:53 utc | 201
So Seymour is ‘suggesting’ that RFK-jr and Trump gonna run together on the 24 ticket. Sounds like mind-meddling b.s. to me, but quite possibly viable as a strategy.
I am too naive to think that such cunning tactics are at play. What do others think here, or is this really utter-b.s. propaganda meant to seduce?
==================================
I don’t think either guy will want it or either Party would permit. They both should have gone Third Party and as such could have joined forces and actually had a shot at Swamp Draining. Maybe.
Meanwhile Erdogan: so he got 13 billion from Uncle Sam and that’s why went turncoat on Putin.
Or:
He knows something we don’t.
Like: that he’ll never have to pay it back but meanwhile he can more easily fund massive reconstruction.
(Though why as a sovereign nation he can’t just issue currency to pay workers but…)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 19 2023 22:07 utc | 373

Milites @ 365

There is also the small matter of those people who head these institutions are rarely there for merit, but political orthodoxy… but it ultimately produces organisations unfit for purpose.

Problem for the antidemocratic neoliberal plutocracy being instituted across the west is the legacy democratic, or let’s just say constitutional, power structures – president of France, prime minister of Italy, Germany, UK, head of the ECB, etc etc, that still have real constitutional power. The old fashioned power broker leader that actually effected the power of his office, actually led, a proper statesman, is now an existential threat to this new system, and, we are in a transition phase where you can’t guarantee who gets elected – a Berlusconi, Trump, Orban, even milquetoasts like Sanders or Corbin are a threat in as much as they may actually try to use the inherent power of their office.
People like Draghi and Macron are of course there for political orthodoxy but just to be safe, that they don’t go rogue or that a vetting mistake was made, the power elite behind them makes sure to pick incompetents and bumblers if not genuine fools (most often foolish enough to be compromised like Scholz and Biden) and then tarts them up as accomplished and wise men. When things are calm and going well the image created around them makes them look capable and serious but as soon as any difficulty arises the curtain gets pulled aside and you get – Clown World.
I would argue the end game, the whole point of putting one remote and incompetent leader after another in positions of still effective power is exactly to render those organizations unfit for purpose. That way you can keep the facade of democracy and constitution, the inverted dictatorship, but have all the organizations of state power now degraded and useless no matter who gets elected.
Clown world and unfit for purpose is feature not a bug.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 22:28 utc | 374

Posted by: ctpalmer | Jul 19 2023 21:05 utc | 369
Your two cents are priceless here. Good comment.
Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Jul 19 2023 21:31 utc | 373
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I second that motion.
MoA often shows the voice of experience. Always worth having, right next to the School of Hard Knocks. My first exposure to -b was a MOA article describing his four week tank warfare training in the Nevada effort. Still fascinating.
Thank you ctpalmer.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 22:41 utc | 375

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-and-the-west-are-facing-a-devastating-defeat/ar-AA1e0X6G
Mainstream Telegraph providing foretaste of defeat to come…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 19 2023 22:44 utc | 376

@ karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 21:50 utc | 374
Thanks karlof1. That was a good read.
Pity is that the West will not get educated on this.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 19 2023 22:44 utc | 377

Thanks karlof1. That was a good read.
Pity is that the West will not get educated on this.
Posted by: whirlX | Jul 19 2023 22:44 utc | 379
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IMO, it’s well past time to break the monopoly on Holocaust claims by one ethnicity that suffered far less than Slavs and Chinese. Denial of WW2’s genuine Holocaust allows for its roots to find fertile ground that begins with the discrimination of any specific ethnic group, which is what’s occurring with today’s Russophobia, Sinophobia, and Islamophobia. IMO, it’s quite correct to call the promoters of those phobia ProtoNazis.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 21:50 utc | 374
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Scary stuff. Germany never got clean after WW II and Maria Zakharova’s “In Memory of All Victims of the Holocaust” is most instructive.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 22:53 utc | 378

Scorpion @ 375

(Though why as a sovereign nation he can’t just issue currency to pay workers but…)

Because Turkiye is in the wrong universe, it’s part of a world financial system were money must be created through a market dominated by the USA. Good for it the alternative would be to wind up isolated like Iran. Varoufakis dared the most inoffensive version of direct state issued credits as a counter attack to the ECB cutting off hard currency and Tsipras was read the riot act – try it and Greece will be economically laid waste like Carthage. It was all over after that. Turkiye would be crushed as it exists inside the crusher otherwise known as the rules based order.
Only two countries on the planet can dare MMT China and Russia, the CCP has always used its central bank as a public trust, in essence MMT, Russia started heading in that direction ever more so under Putin who tried to juggle neoliberalism and state power ultimately unsuccessfully. We all found out in 2022 how The Empire reacts to rogue states, even giant ones, that won’t follow a rules based order.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 22:54 utc | 379

Germany never got clean after WW II…
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 22:53 utc | 380

There were two German states after World War II.

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 19 2023 23:05 utc | 380

platform that pledged to slay the mythical beast of “Judeo-Bolshevism,”
Mythical, lol! That mythical beast runs the entire West today with an iron fist.
In the context of Weimar Germany, calling it “mythical” is a stupid joke.

Posted by: ASensibleMan | Jul 19 2023 23:06 utc | 381

@ karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 21:50 utc | 374
thanks karl… i am curious how you decide vk, verses your substack platform?
@ LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 22:54 utc | 381
thanks for articulating that.. it seems some folks fail to understand how we are still living in a mafia world, presently run the the west with their bogus ”international institutions” – imf, world bank, international bank of settlements and etc. etc.. the camp bretton woods agreement ended monetarily when the usa went off the gold standard.. it has been pure mafia actions since…

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2023 23:11 utc | 382

@ Nobody | Jul 19 2023 23:05 utc | 382
There were two German states after World War II.
There is one state of Germany, still there are two Germanies.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 19 2023 23:17 utc | 383

…and Islamophobia. IMO, it’s quite correct to call the promoters of those phobia ProtoNazis.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 21:50 utc | 374

Islamophobia is not entirely unfounded, as Islam as a religion makes political claims. This is simply incompatible with the secular principles of modern, enlightened societies and harbors a great deal of potential for social conflict.
Syrian President Mr. Bashar al-Assad is aware of this.

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 19 2023 23:32 utc | 384

…still there are two Germanies.
Posted by: whirlX | Jul 19 2023 23:17 utc | 385

Not for me. I am a Wossi. 🙂

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 19 2023 23:41 utc | 385

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 16:49 utc | 337
Excellent analysis !

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 19 2023 23:48 utc | 386

Using the word “cope” is as much an emblem of right wing extremism as a swastika.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 18 2023 17:28 utc | 11
cope away inky!
That insult should bounce off most here… How can one be a Nazi if they ain’t even a Socialist.

Posted by: RiNS | Jul 19 2023 23:56 utc | 387

scepticalSOB | Jul 19 2023 21:07 utc | 370

369 Why not break that up into 3 or 4 paragraphs?

Why ? You too intelligent to read a short, clear and succint piece ?

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jul 19 2023 23:56 utc | 388

LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 22:28 utc | 376
***… to render those organizations unfit for purpose. That way you can keep the facade of democracy and constitution, the inverted dictatorship, but have all the organizations of state power now degraded and useless no matter who gets elected.***
The UK is very far down that sewer-pipe.
Big-party British election manifestos are a compendium of lies and deceptions.
Many politicians hardly bother to try to disguise just how much they despise the voters for being stupid enough to trust them….
But agendas in Britain are really selected and implemented (or not) by top Whitehall civil servants.
Whatever does not agree with their own wokist / Atlanticist / neoliberal ideology, will be blocked or sabotaged.
They also write many of the government ministerial speeches.
Unless that permanent cabal of apparatchiks is eradicated, “democracy” will remain a sick farce — no matter which party gets in, the agendas and things actually done are made to conform to the interests, desires (and perversions) of these seldom-visible controllers and their cronies…
Till then, whether the electorate wants it or not, there will be “continuity”.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 20 2023 0:17 utc | 389

There is one state of Germany, still there are two Germanies.
Posted by: whirlX | Jul 19 2023 23:17 utc | 385
When they divided up Germany, it would have been more durable had it been not east and west, but north and south. That is where the culture divide was. It would have been the militarist Prussian north separated from the bucolic Bohemian south.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jul 20 2023 0:23 utc | 390

Posted by: james | Jul 18 2023 22:49 utc | 139
Obviously, I did not ask for a f’n translation.
I guess no one can access the z.ru.mil pdf file…too bad.
Caio!

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jul 20 2023 0:35 utc | 391

Posted by: ctpalmer | Jul 19 2023 21:05 utc | 369
Thanks for posting, round of drinks on me, Cheers!

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jul 20 2023 0:41 utc | 392

@ Jmaas | Jul 20 2023 0:23 utc | 392
True that. But, Americans gave the whole Thuringia to Soviets, for the West Berlin, quashing any discussion on that.
Cynical Thatcher was against Reunification very much. She said, that she loves Germany so much, that she wants to keep both of them. There are still significant differences between the two, though.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 20 2023 0:51 utc | 393

Given my Maurice Micklewhite, ‘not a lot of people know that’ ramblings have found favour with some posters, I thought I might continue examining the doctrine of combined arms. Firstly, it is nothing new, William won at Hastings because he had a combined arms army, Harold a one trick pony, had sadly no ponies to fight on (Norman horses were as small as modern ponies) so lost, but why? Conventional histories focus on Anglo Saxon fatigue, ill discipline and Norman cunning and luck carrying the day, just as in WW2 German victories were seen as a result of superior tactics, training and mastery of combined arms. Our greater understanding of the psychological workings of our brain however, suggest there might be another reason combined arms is the most effective method of executing combat missions.
Combined arms is a classic example of the sum of the whole being greater than its parts, each combat arm of the triad (infantry, armour and artillery) becomes a force multiplier for the other two, able to enhance their offensive CE, whilst also shielding their vulnerabilities. This rock, paper scissors approach allows a commander the maximum number of options in his tactical grab bag, but these options have themselves an intrinsic capability themselves that boosts the impact of combined arms. The defending commander is faced with a constant exposure to three separate threat axes and recent research suggests the more tasks we face the more overloaded our brains become, as we can only task-stack, task prioritise or task swap. Worse, task swapping is not genuinely multi-tasking, as our brains cannot handle more than two related tasks, and combined arms, thanks to its triadic structure and organic synergies inherent in its structure, confronts a commander with at least three, and often more, tasks to deal with. In response the first move is often to delegate to subordinates, but that just shunts the problem downwards and inevitably, as they are slowly overwhelmed with their own creeping analysis paralysis, they will lighten the load by following the correct procedure, and refer problems back up the chain, often just at the moment the commander’s brain is being overwhelmed.
This is just the beginning of the problem facing an enemy commander. Due to the previously discussed synergies, events often happen at a tempo directly in relation to the number of tasks being generated. One of the classic reactions of the brain though, to being task saturated, is to slow the decision process down in an attempt to buy more time. Eventually, if no solution is found or more tasks are faced, the brain will revert back to the hind brain reaction of the four F’s: fight, flight, freeze or fumble/fixate. This in essence is the OODA loop, but instead of constantly reacting to an opponent, combined arms causes either rash actions or indecision. The flip side is also true, a more unbalanced/trained force will not be able to generate enough combat problems/dilemmas speedily enough to stop their opponent from saturating and dominating their decision cycle. A viscous circle develops, increasing in speed, rather like the ‘slowly then all at once’ phenomenon of ships reaching their tipping point, or companies bankruptcy. On the battlefield this often leads to the ‘rapid collapse’ so often read about, when an academic study often reveals the loser could have fought on effectively, with the forces available.
Now, imagine a commander struggling to cope with a mechanised attack moving faster than expected through his outer defences, thanks to close infantry/armour cooperation being told that air strikes have destroyed his lead battalions CP, his armoured reserve and an air alert has sounded for an inbound helicopter assault, likely heading for key terrain in his rear! Due to its speed and lethality, air power punches far above its weight due to its ability to not only force-multiply existing threats but rapidly generate new ones. It’s why the Soviets said, ‘rotor is to track as track is to boot’, showing a keen understanding of the impact of closely coordinating rotary operations with those on the ground.
William had at Hastings a force that was more balanced, versatile and better trained and equipped troops than his opponent’s but it was only when they attacked as a combined force, not sequentially, that he generated enough problems, at the required tempo, to overwhelm his opponent, forcing errors and winning his historic victory. Similarly, the Russians are succeeding in the SMO for the same reasons, they possess forces that are better able to utilise combined arms and therefore win the problem generation race, especially as they possess the combat problem multiplier that is delivered by effective CAS. Fighting from largely fixed lines, often sallying out from behind fortifications, they are maximising their strengths and reducing any dislocations caused by any unexpected combat derived events. Ukraine, poorly trained in combined arms and lacking an effective air component struggle to match the Russians in combat problem generation, often creating situations that, however stressful, are not sufficiently task saturated to become overwhelming. Hence no breakthrough, no collapse cascade no operational success.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 20 2023 1:19 utc | 394

Hence no breakthrough, no collapse cascade no operational success.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 20 2023 1:19 utc | 396
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A true gem you are!
Sir Michael Caine CBE (born Maurice Joseph Micklewhite; 14 March 1933) is an English actor. Known for his distinctive Cockney accent

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 20 2023 3:13 utc | 395

ZH has a posting up with the title
US General Mark Milley Claims Ukraine Counter Offensive ‘Far From Failure’
the quote

It’s becoming increasingly apparent that Ukraine is nothing more than a sacrificial proxy pawn in a global game of chess, with NATO consistently misrepresenting the ongoing collapse of the Ukrainian military’s defensive posture. The government bombardment of the American public with war propaganda is far more impressive than any bombardment that Ukraine has engaged in the past few weeks.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2023 3:15 utc | 396

I do enjoy brevity in the comments. Except for karlof1 and a couple of others, I do think that most long posts could be distilled down to a few relevant paragraphs.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 20 2023 3:47 utc | 397

Nobody | Jul 19 2023 23:32 utc | 386–
ALL religions make “political claims.” You expose yourself by not thinking through your ruse well enough.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 20 2023 4:40 utc | 398

ALL religions make “political claims.” You expose yourself by not thinking through your ruse well enough.

No ruse here.

Islamophobia is not entirely unfounded, as Islam as a religion makes political claims.
Posted by: Nobody | Jul 19 2023 23:32 utc | 386

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 20 2023 4:58 utc | 399

Saw this in the comments at Larry Johnson’s blog and thought barflies might be curious, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America: A Chronological Paper Trail. 736 page PDF.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 20 2023 5:09 utc | 400