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July 18, 2023
Ukraine Sitrep – Reality Defeats The War Narrative

At the beginning of the war in Ukraine I pointed out that the false narrative of ‘Ukraine is winning’ which the ‘western’ propaganda steadily promoted would not win the real war on the ground.

As the war continued I made the point again and again.

In this week’s SCF column Alastair Crooke makes the same point in much more detail.

A Bonfire of the Vanities

Hubris consists in believing that a contrived narrative can, in and of itself, bring victory. It is a fantasy that has swept through the West – most emphatically since the 17th century. Recently, the Daily Telegraph published a ridiculous nine minute video purporting to show that ‘narratives win wars’, and that set-backs in the battlespace are incidentals: What matters is to have a thread of unitary narrative articulated, both vertically and horizontally, throughout the spectrum – from the special forces’ soldier in the field through to the pinnacle of the political apex.

The gist of it is that ‘we’ (the West) have compelling a narrative, whilst Russia’s is ‘clunky’ – ‘Us winning therefore, is inevitable’.

It is easy to scoff, but nonetheless we can recognise in it a certain substance (even if that substance is an invention). Narrative is now how western élites imagine the world.

The weakness to this new ‘liberal’ authoritarianism is that its key narrative myths can get busted. One just has; slowly, people begin to speak reality.

Ukraine: How do you win an unwinnable war? Well, the élite answer has been through narrative. By insisting against reality that Ukraine is winning, and Russia is ‘cracking’. But such hubris eventually is busted by facts on the ground. Even the western ruling classes can see their demand for a successful Ukrainian offensive has flopped. At the end, military facts are more powerful than political waffle: One side is destroyed, its many dead become the tragic ‘agency’ to upending dogma.

Even as reality seeps out the narrative of a ‘successful’ western battle tactics in form of combined arms warfare gets reinforced.

Ukraine aims to sap Russia’s defenses, as U.S. urges a decisive breakthroughWashington Post

Western officials and analysts say Ukraine’s military has so far embraced an attrition-based approach aimed largely at creating vulnerabilities in Russian lines by firing artillery and missiles at command, transport and logistics sites at the rear of the Russian position, instead of conducting what Western military officials call “combined arms” operations that involve coordinated maneuvers by large groups of tanks, armored vehicles, infantry, artillery and, sometimes, air power.

Ukraine’s military leaders argue that, lacking aviation might, they must avoid unnecessary losses against an adversary with a far larger pool of recruits and weaponry. To preserve manpower, Ukraine has fielded just four of a dozen trained brigades in the current campaign.

A new element in the narrative is that Ukraine is loosing because it does not use the glorious combined arms operations ‘western’ military told them to use.

Franz-Stefan Gady, from the British International Institute for Strategic Studies, has just been in Ukraine where he talked with Ukrainian soldiers and commanders at the frontline. In a Twitter thread he summarizes what he has seen but is strongly promoting the same narrative:

By and large this is an infantryman’s fight (squad, platoon & company level) supported by artillery along most of the frontline. This has several implications:
1st: Progress is measured by yards/meters and not km/miles given reduced mobility.
2nd: Mechanized formations are rarely deployed due to lack of enablers for maneuver. This includes insufficient quantities of de-mining equipment, air defenses, ATGMs etc.

2.) Ukrainian forces have still not mastered combined arms operations at scale. Operations are more sequential than synchronized. This creates various problems for the offense & IMO is the main cause for slow progress.

4.) Minefields are a problem as most observers know. They confine maneuver space & slow advances. But much more impactful than the minefields per se on Ukraine’s ability to break through Russian defenses is 🇺🇦s inability to conduct complex combined arms operations at scale.
Lack of a comprehensive combined arms approach at scale makes Ukrainian forces more vulnerable to Russian ATGMs, artillery etc. while advancing. So it’s not just about equipment. There’s simply no systematic pulling apart of the Russian defensive system that I could observe.

The narrative element is the same as in the Washington Post. That the Ukrainians are not using our vaunted combined arms operations is the reason for their failure.

The well synchronized New York Times piece is making the same point:

But that artillery-centric approach raises questions about whether Ukraine has lost confidence in the combined arms tactics — synchronized attacks by infantry, armor and artillery forces — that nine new brigades learned from American and other Western advisers in recent months. Western officials heralded the approach as more efficient than the costly strategy of wearing Russian forces down by attrition and depleting their ammunition stocks.

Senior U.S. officials in recent weeks had privately expressed frustration that some Ukrainian commanders, exasperated at the slow pace of the initial assault and fearing increased casualties among their ranks, had reverted to old habits — decades of Soviet-style training in artillery barrages — rather than sticking with the Western tactics and pressing harder to breach the Russian defenses.

However, the narrative is wrong.

The Ukrainian do not fear increased casualties. They did try combined arms warfare in the beginning of the counteroffensive in early June. After a few days of trying again and again they noted that the attacks failed with ever greater losses and were not sustainable. A third of the tanks and other material the ‘west’ had sent to Ukraine was destroyed in the attempts to use ‘fire and maneuver’ to break through Russian mine fields and defense lines.

Ukraine then returned to the current ‘mosquito tactics’ where small groups of infantry soldiers try to make small progress bit by bit. The likely loss of more tanks was thus replaced with the likely loss of more lives.

The narrative element that a combined arms attack would have more success is simply false.

As Crooke explains:

The hubris, at one level, lay in NATO’s pitting of its alleged ‘superior’ military doctrine and weapons versus that of a deprecated, Soviet-style, hide-bound, Russian military rigidity – and ‘incompetence’.

But military facts on the ground have exposed the western doctrine as hubris – with Ukrainian forces decimated, and its NATO weaponry lying in smoking ruins. It was NATO that insisted on re-enacting the Battle of 73 Easting (from the Iraqi desert, but now translated into Ukraine).

In Iraq, the ‘armoured fist’ punched easily into Iraqi tank formations: It was indeed a thrusting ‘fist’ that knocked the Iraqi opposition ‘for six’. But, as the U.S. commander at that tank battle (Colonel Macgregor), frankly admits, its outcome against a de-motivated opposition largely was fortuitous.

Nonetheless ‘73 Easting’ is a NATO myth, turned into the general doctrine for the Ukrainian forces – a doctrine structured around Iraq’s unique circumstance.

In the first year of the second world war the German Wehrmacht used combined arms warfare to wage its blitzkrieg against inferior adversaries. The tactic failed two years later when it tried to break through solid Soviet defense lines.

In the battle of 73 Easting the U.S. army could repeat blitzkrieg tactics because he had air superiority, well trained troops and better weapons. But the circumstance in Ukraine can not be compared to a mobile war in the desert.

The Black Sea grain deal has, as we expected, ended. The Ukraine reacted to this anticipated loss with a another successful attack on the Kerch bridge. Road traffic will be hindered or blocked for two or three months but the more important rail lines along the route are still intact.

As the grain deal was expected to fail, the Ukrainians may well have thought of breaking the blockade of its harbors by asking for more ships to come. But the Russia military has now used a large drone and missile attack to make sure that the facilities in Odessa and other Ukrainian Black Sea harbors can no longer be used to load or unload ships. It thus does not make sense for any ships to go there.

Over the last week the ground war in east Ukraine has further intensified. In the north of the eastern contact line the Russian army has launched its own attacks. In the center and south the Ukrainians still try to break through Russian defenses. But they are losing about 700 soldiers per day with little to show for the losses.

The Russian’s are again concentrating on the defeat of the Ukrainian artillery. Over the last five days they claimed to have destroyed 27 brigade level ammunition depots. Each of these should usually hold around 30 tons of shells and missiles. Thus such attacks add up. During those five days the Russians also claimed to have destroyed some 66 Ukrainian artillery pieces. It is race of what will be completely lost first, the ammunition the Ukrainian’s can use or the guns that are needed to fire it.

But some Ukrainians still insist on continuing the senseless fight.

War Monitor @WarMonitors – 10:38 UTC · Jul 18, 2023

⚡️“Returning Bakhmut is a matter of honour. We have lost many of our brothers there, we simply must recapture it”— Syrsky during a BBC interview

The way too emotional interview quote is not in the writeup of the BBC interview but I still have not seen a video of it.

That Ukraine has already lost many soldiers in Bakhmut should certainly not be a reason to continue fighting for it. It has by now only symbolic value. Even it would again change hands it would not change the trajectory of the bigger war.

Ukraine is loosing that war. The Jig Is Up and NATO knows it. Ukraine will never be allowed to become a member.

A new narrative element is creeping in with talks about a ceasefire in Ukraine. It would give the Ukraine time to refit its military.

But Russia has absolutely no reason to agree to a pause in the fight. During the war its military has become larger and better and a total defeat of the Ukrainian army is only a question of time.

The U.S. and NATO will soon have lost their big proxy war against Russia.

In light of this reality the much larger, centuries old narrative of the superior West is also breaking down.

This will have global consequences for decades to come.

Comments

What do others think here, or is this really utter-b.s. propaganda meant to seduce?
Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:53 utc | 202

I think there is a meme that says voting in the US is the adult version of writing a letter to santa. It may not be all that bad, but the fact remains that US foreign policy has not changed significantly under any president.

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 19 2023 6:09 utc | 201

Cant believe that rfk can win the corrupt dnc primaries. They have more superdelegates than elected delegates after all.
But rfk may play the same role as did sanders in 2016. That is directing millions of voters who cant bring themselves to vote for hillary/joe to trump.

Posted by: Orgel | Jul 19 2023 6:11 utc | 202

@Inkan1969 | Jul 18 2023 17:23 utc | 9
The phrases cope/copium & hopium are not politically charged, though they are mostly used in a denigrating sense. They refer to a narrative that helps dealing with a difficult or undesirable situation. Hopium is copium in a more narrow sense, that it contains a reference to a better future.

Posted by: pepa65 | Jul 19 2023 6:23 utc | 203

Posted by: juliania | Jul 19 2023 4:24 utc | 184
I haven’t watched the document about Sweden, but must admit it was surprising that Sweden actually joined. That is because “Nato standards” are not compatible with non-US weapon manufacturers, which will inevitably have to disappear and make room to US manufacturers, therefore an economic suicide for Sweden. And then you start adding other costs of membership and paying for the hosting of ever increasing American contingents.
And yes, it’s suicidal to act as a launch platform for US or the British.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 19 2023 6:33 utc | 204

Turkish navy just announced that they will not take part in “protecting” grain ships after the deal expiration. Most likely Turkey will create a new grain deal with Russia as discussed earlier, without EU or US involvement.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 19 2023 7:09 utc | 205

Posted by: Mark | Jul 19 2023 0:45 utc | 152
«They are plainly trying to build support for blockade runners, and to manage the attack against a grain carrier by Russia.»
That is the usual fantasy ukrainian propaganda, because there has never been a blockade by the Russian Federation of civilian traffic to and from ukrainian ports, nor any RF attack on civilian ships (I guess that the RF still has the right to inspect ships though).
The blockade of ukrainian ports was done by the ukrainian government that mined them haphazardly (ukrainian mines got loose and became a threat to all ships in a wide area of the Black Sea) to prevent RF ships from approaching them.
The “grain deal” was that RF Navy minesweepers and other ships would escort civilian vessels to ensure their safety.

Posted by: Blissex | Jul 19 2023 7:13 utc | 206

Odd, some of the posts here, have a very eerie ‘chatGPT’ like
sense to them….just saying.

Posted by: odd | Jul 19 2023 7:32 utc | 207

This whole war has similarities In propaganda to the Plandemic, and if you look now all traces of testing /face masks distancing etc has dissapeared. People resisted it just like a growing resistance to this war. I am in my view to the belief the plandemic was introduced as soon as Biden came into power and the Neocon plan was in motion. It surely has all got to connect up ?

Posted by: Scot1and | Jul 19 2023 7:33 utc | 208

American Politics – what to expect.
I’ve run the numbers, and have come up with FOUR different scenarios. I have attached the probability of each outcome- which are mainly affected by the actions of MICIMAT.
Scenario A: Probability 5%
If the DNC doesn’t select JFK, he will run as an independent and that will fracture the Democrat vote. Trump will re-take power, despite huge, visible, and unlawful machinations by the Uniparty and Deep State actors. From his Federal prison cell, where he has been sentenced to a dozen different offences invented by the Deep State, he will then pardon himself ‘for the period of his Presidency’ – and this time – appoint the right kind of people to dismantle the Deep State. The Deep State will then respond by assassinate Trump and take over with a military / Intel-led putsch.
Scenario B: Probability 4%
RFK is selected by the DNC, becomes President, starts dismantling the Deep State.. and joins his father and uncle… I needn’t say more.
Scenario C: Probability 90%
A combination of AI and other video deep-fakery creates the illusion that Biden is ‘competent’, and the usual suspects game the election for him. The DC grift continues, and escalates through ‘progressive laws’ to consume the entire US economy. ‘You will own nothing and be happy’ says Biden, as he hands all financial assets over to Blackrock, and signs an executive order to allow Pfizer to add a Fentanyl-type product the the water supply.
Scenario D – Probability 1%
Serious, visible and un-ignorable deficits in the foreign wars, Mexico borders, law and order, financial crashes/401k destruction, finally creates an landscape that allows the American mind to realise they are facing an existential threat. A ‘Coalition of Freedom’ ticket of Trump and Kennedy wins a landslide majority in both houses, allowing for the defunding and abolition of over 50% of the three letter agencies, a new Constitutional amendment limiting the size and scope of federal government, and a conference of all States of the Union agree a common, transparent, honest and inspectable system for future elections. Trump runs as Presidency for the first 2 years to de-fang the neo-cons, then stands down for RFK to roll-back faux progressive laws, narratives and bureaucracies.
All resources of a military nature are withdrawn from any place outside US sovereign borders. The CIA is dismantled, the Shadow CIA is dismantled, and several shadow-shadow CIAs are discovered, tracked down and dismantled.
The world and the USA enter a fifty year period of unprecedented peace and prosperity.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 19 2023 7:35 utc | 209

CrazyTrain @ 202

So Seymour is ‘suggesting’ that RFK-jr and Trump gonna run together on the 24 ticket. I am too naive to think that such cunning tactics are at play. What do others think here, or is this really utter-b.s. propaganda meant to seduce?

Besides the obvious incompatibility, one’s an idiot I’ll let you guess which, Trump carries a ton of toxic baggage, a good part of it of his own making, someone is hoping to associate Trump’s negatives real or manufactured with RFKjr – two for one smear job and a benefit for both party insiders.
No idea why Hersh would feed it I would expect better from a journalist that values integrity but he’s solo now and publishing in the clickbait universe. The 2024 juggernaut would be RFKjr and Tulsi. RFKjr would have to announce that during the primary which would be an unusual move, but unusual is the status quo in modern USA.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 7:39 utc | 210

On flightRadar there’s a French airforce reconnaissance plane near Odessa.
CTM1540 – 27,000 ft alt. zigzagging like a circus
Pondering why lightning, or an accident hasn’t made it into French fries floating in the black bears sea.

Posted by: odd | Jul 19 2023 7:40 utc | 211

23 – a few months ago I read about a similar US initiative to ensure AI bolsters MIC propaganda. In a discussion with ChapGPT etc on Libya, Syria, then Ukraine, it refers me to ‘trusted sources’ e.g. MSM, think tanks and ‘The Atlantic Council’.

Posted by: Will Miller | Jul 19 2023 7:46 utc | 212

odd @ 209

Odd, some of the posts here, have a very eerie ‘chatGPT’ like sense to them….just saying.

Good call, chatGPT is even cheaper than free pizza and beer. If so the bar crowd will have to get used to it, low budget human trolls come and go but digital ones never eat, never sleep. Hopefully the peeps here will not feed a machine, however, chatGPT trolls feeding chatGPT trolls?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 7:50 utc | 213

odd @ 209

Odd, some of the posts here, have a very eerie ‘chatGPT’ like sense to them….just saying.

Good call, chatGPT is even cheaper than free pizza and beer. If so the bar crowd will have to get used to it, low budget human trolls come and go but digital ones never eat, never sleep. Hopefully the peeps here will not feed a machine, however, chatGPT trolls feeding chatGPT trolls?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 7:50 utc | 214

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:53 utc | 202
Elon might run for Republican nomination.
I think he’s poised to it.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 19 2023 7:52 utc | 215

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 19 2023 7:52 utc | 217
He is not eligible. Born in South Africa

Posted by: watcher | Jul 19 2023 8:03 utc | 216

Briefly on night strikes
The main goal is the destruction of the military infrastructure of Odessa and the region. According to some reports, it was the most powerful attack on the AFU in the city since the beginning of the year, 22 arrivals were recorded.
Combined strikes were also carried out in the Zhytomyr, Zaporozhye, Mykolaiv and Kiev regions.
Presumably, about 30 Kalibr, X-22 and P-800 cruise missiles were used, as well as about 40 Geran-2 UAVs.
The attack on military facilities continued until 08:00.
milchronicles

Posted by: Zldky | Jul 19 2023 8:11 utc | 217

>>>>: Soothsayer | Jul 18 2023 17:41 utc | 17

Thousands of Russian tanks have been visually confirmed to have been destroyed.

“Thousands”
Have they really. Last year Oryx was claiming that a total of 1,000 tanks had been destroyed on both sides. This included two hundred Ukrainian tanks and eight hundred Russian tanks. Then Ukrainian MOD desperate for more tanks claimed that Ukraine had lost 400 tanks. If the total loses of all tanks was 1,000, then Russia had lost 600. From how desperate Ukraine was for more tanks, it was quite obvious that Ukraine had lost more than 400 tanks, perhaps 800 tanks. So according to Oryx’s number of total tanks destroyed, Russia had lost two hundred tanks (1,000 – 800).
“visually confirmed”
Give me one broken down tank, some tins of paint, a small crew and a tractor and I can provide “visual confirmation” that a hundred or more “Russian tanks” have been destroyed. For a protagonist like Ukraine that believes winning the propaganda war is more important than winning the physical war. I suspect Ukraine has been fabricating “visual confirmations” throughout the war.
“destroyed”
There have been many videos of Ukrainian drones dropping grenades down the open hatches of Russian tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles with no sign of any soldiers in or near the AFV. I suspect that Ukraine is using captured, damaged and irreparable Russian AFVs for these videos which gives it a BOGOF (Buy One Get One Free) offer with Oryx. One AFV when it is captured and another when a Ukrainian drone drops a grenade down that mysteriously open hatch. It’s difficult to guess how many times an AFV has been “destroyed” between being captured by the Ukrainian Army and finally destroyed.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jul 19 2023 8:33 utc | 218

Which army was the master of manoeuvre warfare in WW2? The Wehrmacht.Which army won WW2? The Wehrmacht.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jul 19 2023 8:36 utc | 219

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 7:39 utc | 212
I’ll be surprised if RFKjr doesn’t turn out to be a product of the same owner-operators as Biden.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 19 2023 8:41 utc | 220

Posted by: Will Miller | Jul 19 2023 7:46 utc | 214
«In a discussion with ChapGPT etc on Libya, Syria, then Ukraine, it refers me to ‘trusted sources’ e.g. MSM, think tanks and ‘The Atlantic Council’.»
Same policy as Wikipedia, which as a previous commenter said also comically lists *Bellingcat* as a trusted source.Posted by: Will Miller | Jul 19 2023 7:46 utc | 214
«In a discussion with ChapGPT etc on Libya, Syria, then Ukraine, it refers me to ‘trusted sources’ e.g. MSM, think tanks and ‘The Atlantic Council’.»
Same policy as Wikipedia, which as a previous commenter said also comically lists *Bellingcat* as a trusted source.

Posted by: Blissex | Jul 19 2023 8:44 utc | 221

I’m very pleased by the reference to the “bonfire of the vanities”. I’ll be even more pleased if I don’t end up on a bonfire too afterwards this time 🙂
Remember the Nam ? A war military won and politically loosed ? They tried to format the narrative to have a political victory knowing the military one was never a possibility to begin with. But then, reality punched hard. It’s the Mike Tyson quote : “everyone has a plan until punched in the face”.

Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 19 2023 8:56 utc | 222

After over a week of fighting and a lot of back and forth Ukraine now has control over the heights and fortified areas to the northwest and southwest of Klischiivka.
https://t.me/WeebUnionWar/4501
Akhmat forces need to push these out of there. Fab 500’s need to get very busy.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 19 2023 8:58 utc | 223

if tobias elwood says england should be at war with russia then why not.
poland norway sweden finland the danes the baltics are the new beserkers.
belief in winning the story the acts the arc
performance of actor heroic
just look at dunkirk never was it a defeat
it was a planned organised regroup
into the valley of death tobias and boris says
we need men goyim for the task we should start with the unvaccinated
tally ho
lets do this

Posted by: norman wisdom | Jul 19 2023 9:11 utc | 224

anon2020 @ 222

I’ll be surprised if RFKjr doesn’t turn out to be a product of the same owner-operators as Biden.

Not unlikely, after getting punked by Obama I’m fully in the George Carlin camp about voting now, which is exactly where they want the skeptical – apathetic, with only zombie lemmings voting. But, they really did kill his uncle and father RFKjr would have to be a pretty base invertebrate life form to think if you can’t beat them join them. I have the hots for Tulsi so who cares if she’s deep state stealth.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 9:35 utc | 225

Posted by: Ghost of Yeah Right | Jul 19 2023 9:42 utc | 228
Precauation about what, moron? Some random scrap yard with expired and decommisisoned stockpiles of rusted ammo? Why? How would useful idiots like you argue that Ukraine is winning then? LOL

Posted by: sfx | Jul 19 2023 10:21 utc | 226

The Western media has failed for sure. A classic example was the battle over Bakhmut, with a complete failure to cover the (fascinating) block by block advance. And even 24 hours before the final part of the city was taken, the main media stories being Ukraine winning in Bakhmut.
I’ve learned to be pretty wary of you, Macregor, etc. also though. For example, what ever happened with the “Zelensky is finished” after the drone attack?
It’s OK to be wrong. But not to not man up and admit it. And you guys don’t. You all are smoking hopium in reverse. I want to find the cold hearted analyst who writes things up, WHICHEVER way they fall. Not just which way he wants them to.

Posted by: High school wrestler | Jul 19 2023 10:21 utc | 227

“The head of MI6 urged Russians appalled by the horrors of Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine to “join hands with us” and spy for the UK to help end the bloodshed.”
Desperate times, eh!!!!

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 19 2023 10:21 utc | 228

There are reports that the Odessa port infrastructure has been hit again.
The mood in the Ukrainian segment of Telegram is bad today
The Kartel channel made its conclusions about the reports from Odessa:
“It is now definitely clear that the Russians are hitting the entire port infrastructure. Odessa, Ilyichevsk, Ochakov, Nikolaev, everywhere are recording arrivals. Most likely, the arrivals will also be on Belgorod-Dnestrovskyi, on Yuzhny, Izmail, Reni.
A couple of weeks of such shelling and only memories will remain from the ports. The air defence in the region has collapsed. Sometimes air defence missiles just go off the way”
Ukrainian monitoring channels report new launches of cruise missiles towards Odessa region from the Black Sea direction.

Posted by: Awfhat | Jul 19 2023 10:27 utc | 229

@CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:53 utc| 202
No, he did not. He wrote that a source had told him that the biggest fear of Biden‘s handlers was a Trump/RFJ Jr. ticket. That‘s not the same thing.

Posted by: Schwedenstahl | Jul 19 2023 10:28 utc | 230

Klischiivka is the key and this is where they will launch their main attack. If they can break through here now they have the heights.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7k2aE9R-II
My inner Medvedev says With no air defence half a dozen FOAB’s – Father of all bombs would kill roughly 40,000 of them. Just drop one of these babies and watch them run back to livov.
With no air defence my inner Medvedev can’t understand why the FOAB hasn’t be used yet. Rather than keep sending reserves into Klischiivka, that are clearly being slaughtered since Ukraine has captured the heights.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 19 2023 10:34 utc | 231

On flightRadar there’s a French airforce reconnaissance plane near Odessa. CTM1540 – 27,000 ft alt. zigzagging like a circus. Pondering why lightning, or an accident hasn’t made it into French fries floating in the black bears sea.
Posted by: odd | Jul 19 2023 7:40 utc | 213
CTM1540 was nowhere “near” Odessa, it zig-zags on the length of Romanian Black Sea, not far from land area.

Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2023 10:34 utc | 232

Akhmat forces couldn’t stop them from gaining the heights in Klischiivka. Step aside and let the FOAB’s do there job. Save the reserves for another day.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 19 2023 10:38 utc | 233

50 or so FOAB’s Father of all bombs, dropped on top of the Ukraine counter offensive all across the front lines would finish this war and being peace.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 19 2023 10:46 utc | 234

@162 “India can supply missiles to Russia.”
Apparently, India is paying Russia rupees for the oil purchases and the rupees are piling up in the Russian Treasury as Russia doesn’t buy enough goods from India.
Selling missiles to Russia would help solve this currency problem.
Perhaps that is a consideration?

Posted by: canuck | Jul 19 2023 10:47 utc | 235

Echo Chamber | Jul 19 2023 10:34 utc | 234
“My inner Medvedev says With no air defence half a dozen FOAB’s – Father of all bombs would kill roughly 40,000 of them. Just drop one of these babies and watch them run back to livov…With no air defence my inner Medvedev can’t understand why the FOAB hasn’t be used yet.”
But they do have air defenses.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 19 2023 10:51 utc | 236

Trump is Hollywood just like Z and we are all suppose to be entertained and swoon at the words.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2023 4:59 utc | 193
Trump ain’t president…Biden is. Trump didn’t start this war…Biden did.
I get that a lot of people hate Trump and therefore he’s an easy target to blame for everything (and he doesn’t make it any easier for himself). But anymore he’s just used as a distraction from where the real problem lies. Z is not Hollywood, he’s just a puppet of th US/EU oligarchy and the NATO war machine.

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 19 2023 11:03 utc | 237

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:53 utc | 202

So Seymour is ‘suggesting’ that RFK-jr and Trump gonna run together on the 24 ticket.

Both owned by the Khazar mafia. If you don’t get a war against China, you get a war against Iran.
When are you people gonna learn? ALL your leaders are manchurian candidates.
Every.
Single.
One.
You’ll know them when they make their pilgrimage to Tel Aviv first thing after inauguration.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 11:04 utc | 238

@CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:40 utc | 199

By the way, just because all of those human-induced climate change is just “hoohey” bug the hell out of me (I speak of Phil R and Norwegian in particular): Anthropegenic climate change is just “bad science” types, let me give you some new mind-bending facts for ya

Johm Cook, founder of “skepticalscience.com”

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 11:05 utc | 239

@162 “India can supply missiles to Russia.”
Apparently, India is paying Russia rupees for the oil purchases and the rupees are piling up in the Russian Treasury as Russia doesn’t buy enough goods from India.
Selling missiles to Russia would help solve this currency problem.
Perhaps that is a consideration?
Posted by: canuck | Jul 19 2023 10:47 utc | 238

BrahMos is a joint Russo-Indian project. So this isn’t really India selling something Russia doesn’t already have.
But if India can use its manufacturing capacity to help Russia build up bigger stocks of those, that would be helpful.

Posted by: shаdowbanned | Jul 19 2023 11:10 utc | 240

re: MOABs etc a barfly cleared this up a while back. They are bigger than a bus, there is no dedicated bomber that can carry them, they are rolled off the back ramp of a cargo plane, and why not? But who’s going to fly a big fat slow cargo plane over a UKR battle zone? So, enough with the MOABs and FOABs, leave the wunderwaffen nonsense to NATO.
Convinced?
https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/MOABAFAM.jpg

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 19 2023 11:11 utc | 241

Posted by: shаdowbanned | Jul 19 2023 11:10 utc | 243

But if India can use its manufacturing capacity to help Russia build up bigger stocks of those, that would be helpful.

What manufacturing capacity?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 11:11 utc | 242

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1681618688859045888

LAVROV TO ATTEND BRICS SUMMIT
BREAKING: The Office of the President of South Africa claims that Putin “by mutual agreement” will not attend the BRICS summit in the republic, reports Reuters.
Russia at the BRICS summit will be represented by Lavrov – Office of the President of South Africa

This is very bad optics, but it’s actually better that way. It isn’t safe for Putin to be anywhere outside the St. Petersburg-Minsk-Tehran-Tashkent-Beijing perimeter.
I was wondering a few days ago how he would actually get there — presumably he would fly over the Caspian, then over Iran, then over the Indian ocean away from any landmasses (inhabit by who knows what kind of MANPADs). But the ocean is infested with “cargo” ships that carry who knows what, so it still isn’t safe.

Posted by: shаdowbanned | Jul 19 2023 11:14 utc | 243

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 19 2023 7:09 utc | 207

Turkish navy just announced that they will not take part in “protecting” grain ships after the deal expiration.

I suppose the question of protecting grain ships is moot now that it looks like there’ll be no ports.
Putin’s brilliance shows again: Destroy relevant targets while avoiding conflict with potential allies.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 11:15 utc | 244

Capn’ Mike #2
Good catch, but then be consistent:
Cap’n, not Capn’ 😉

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Jul 19 2023 11:17 utc | 245

A few threads back somebody posted a description of Vladimir Putin being mentored by the Jewish community as a child. If that’s true, and if he is assisting the Jewish community to exact revenge on Ukranian , and maybe other European Nazis including us Brits, for the atrocities of the holocaust, then I would support that revenge.
Obviously the modern Nazi didn’t commit those historical crimes, but in the context of the holocaust it’s totally intolerable that Cameron and BoJo , and the shipwreck of European Nato allied politicians support Ukranian Nazism, and equally abhorrent that ordinary Ukrainians haven’t rejected it too.
That’s a fair target imo, and maybe this is the meaning of the SMO.
Could it be that after the Ukrainian neocons and the Russian Jewish community, which a large component of Isarel, have wrought their historic revenge, they will stop unjustly persecuting the Palestinians who have lived there from time immemorial.
Allah’s command in the Qur’an is for nobody to exceed one eye for one eye, one tooth for one tooth etc.
Any excess in Qisas / revenge will be severely punished, according to the Qur’an.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 19 2023 11:27 utc | 246

@CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:40 utc | 199
By the way, just because all of those human-induced climate change is just “hoohey” bug the hell out of me (I speak of Phil R and Norwegian in particular): Anthropegenic climate change is just “bad science” types, let me give you some new mind-bending facts for ya
Johm Cook, founder of “skepticalscience.com”
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 11:05 utc | 242
Couldn’t have responded any more succinctly myself.

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 19 2023 11:33 utc | 247

Re: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 11:04 utc | 241
I agree with you Arch. The “in your face” 2020 “election” has been the cornerstone on our “elections” for at least 4 decades. The Bobble Head sitting in the Oval Office is selected and a mere mascot ( and all mascots are created for entertainment & symbolism) for public consumption & gossip.
Another 1.3 Billion ready to roll out and launder thru the Ukraine washing machine & not a whimper from Americans.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 19 2023 11:34 utc | 248

I’ve been catching up on the many ‘imetatronic’ articles regarding the Ukraine war.
He has been remarkably incisive and indeed prescient throughout the entire SMO cycle. The only mis-forecast was when he thought the Ukrainian counter-offensive would bet as far as the outskirts of Melitopol, and then be crushed.
Worth a read, or a series of reads, I would say.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 19 2023 11:36 utc | 249

S.A. didn’t want to quit ICC because they’re puppets like India and Brazil. So there was no other option. They are nice enough to send Lavrov, a more appropriate option would have been online format and a mirrored action for their entire government. A good next step should be to create a new BRICS from R and C then expand to non-natoids. A US base, biolab, ICC or weapons to Ukr should be instant rejection. Including sales thru proxies. Serbia should not escape punishment if their ammo is really used by Ukr.

Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2023 11:44 utc | 250

LOL Putin chicken out from BRICS meeting!!
Putin won’t attend BRICS summit – South Africa
The office of President Cyril Ramaphosa says it has agreed with Moscow that the Russian leader won’t travel to Johannesburg

on RT
Well this just proves that west/ICC set the rules, even for BRICS.

Posted by: Ghost of Arse Bongle | Jul 19 2023 11:46 utc | 251

shаdowbanned | Jul 19 2023 11:14 utc | 246
“This is very bad optics, but it’s actually better that way. It isn’t safe for Putin to be anywhere outside the St. Petersburg-Minsk-Tehran-Tashkent-Beijing perimeter.”
I don’t see how it’s bad optics, as opposed to self-evident sanity.
Although if it is bad optics, that’s only because the Russians hemmed and hawed and allowed such a stupid question to become a question in the first place, instead of stating firmly from the start that of course Putin can’t personally attend the summit because (1) the war requires his full attention from Moscow and (2) it’s obviously unsafe for him to travel so far when the rogue empire openly proclaims it’s targeting him personally.
How on earth could Putin ever have been in any doubt about this from the start?

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 19 2023 11:46 utc | 252

Ghost of Arse Bongle | Jul 19 2023 11:46 utc | 253
“Well this just proves that west/ICC set the rules, even for BRICS.”
If so, only because the Russian leadership handed them the propaganda space to do it.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 19 2023 11:48 utc | 253

#249 why would an opposing POV on ‘climate change’ bug the hell out you?
Is it because you are merely an enthusiastic ‘believer’ and so wish to crush any opposing thoughts?
skepticalscience is a Blob-funded website set up to produce counter-propaganda against climate sceptics.
It fails all the time, sometimes in embarrassing ways – usually by getting its facts wrong, overstating facts, or falling back on flawed consensus arguments.
It’s not a place for scientific discourse or debate.
The top climate site, which is quietly sceptical, but accepts papers, and allows discourse from both sides, is WATTSUPWITHTHAT. Voted the best climate site every year, it also tracks the latest measurements of temp, sea ice sea levels, CO2, etc etc. The data is available to all, each statistic / graph is labelled and referenced back to the institute that generated it.
I won’t go off topic any more, perhaps MOAB should do a non-Ukrainian thread of climate madness and I will say more.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 19 2023 11:51 utc | 254

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 19 2023 11:51 utc | 256
LOL that liar Watts said he would quit if the BEST study did not support the fake skeptic position. spoiler alert, it did not and he did not. an utter fraud. “voted” by whom? fossil fuel shills and their dupes.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 19 2023 11:58 utc | 255

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 19 2023 11:33 utc | 249
with a photoshop instead of an argument. figures.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 19 2023 11:59 utc | 256

If so, only because the Russian leadership handed them the propaganda space to do it.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 19 2023 11:48 utc | 255
They didn’t. All SA had to do is quit ICC. They were given months to do so but their option was not to tass.com/politics/1649007

Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2023 12:01 utc | 257

255 Flying Dutchman
‘ propaganda space ‘
All advertising is useful advertising, especially when it highlights USUKIS petty injustice. I’m so.proud of Putin saving Ukrainian kids from being brainwashed into Nazis. The Intersausage Sauce of Injustice wouldn’t recognise justice if it slapped it in the face.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 19 2023 12:10 utc | 258

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 19 2023 11:33 utc | 249
with a photoshop instead of an argument. figures.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 19 2023 11:59 utc | 258
Dumb*ss, ignorant response. I didn’t post the photo, just responding to Norwegian. However, that photo came off his website several years ago and is verifiably him. Sticking one’s head in the sand and denying reality seems to be the MO of the warmageddon crowd.
This is off topic for the current thread, but responded to a comment directed at me. Will not comment any more on this topic on this thread.

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 19 2023 12:10 utc | 259

rk | Jul 19 2023 12:01 utc | 259
“They didn’t. All SA had to do is quit ICC.”
Of course SA should quit, but the ICC had nothing to do with this, except that by letting the idiotic notion of Putin attending become a question at all, the Russians let the whole fake ICC theme become an “issue”.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 19 2023 12:11 utc | 260

Putin is simply doing what’s best for his ally in South Africa.
The African summit in a couple of weeks will shore up for Russia the contracts and alignments with the continent of Africa, and it will be facilitated & executed. This years BRICS will mostly be procedural, outlining & agreeing upon a procedure to add nations requesting to join. As well as discussing “common currency” and other forward plans. This can be accomplished with Lavrov or the like.
Putin is far from caring about “optics” of “power & control”.
He knows the whole shit shabang will be finished in a decade. No sense in creating a public disaster for BRICS and having media pinpoint focused on him instead of the message of BRICS new power. It’s why he made the announcement now, not 3 days b4 summit, to get all the holly-ba-loo out of the way.
On another level, pure conjecture, I see August & September being quite busy in Ukraine & Syria. Putin needs to be in Russia, not grandstanding in South America to “make a point”. He’ll do a video thing and carry on through subordinates.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 19 2023 12:22 utc | 261

Regarding the International Criminal Court …
The biggest unspoken joke is that Ukraine is not a member of the ICC.
Certainly wasn’t last time I looked.
I wonder why !

Posted by: Engineer-John | Jul 19 2023 12:29 utc | 262

Posted by: Ghost of Arse Bongle | Jul 19 2023 11:46 utc | 253

Well this just proves that west/ICC set the rules, even for BRICS.

Arse Bongle, South Africa is a criminal hellhole. Regardless of the ICC, no self-respecting world leader wants to be there for whatever reason.
Try getting Xi over there, ICC or not, not going to happen.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 12:30 utc | 263

Again – Re. the ICC.
Russia and President Putin have no case to answer.
I await the day when Bush, Blair and other real criminals have to answer for their crimes against humanity

Posted by: Engineer-John | Jul 19 2023 12:32 utc | 264

BRICS moving along at a fast pace. China once again signalling what it is trying to do. Moving away from being the world’s sweat shop and exporting their way to growth. Increasing domestic consumption instead.
https://www.ecns.cn/m/news/economy/2023-07-18/detail-ihcrinym0652052.shtml
Question still remains who will take their place ? Who is happy enough to accept this burden.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 19 2023 12:35 utc | 265

@pretzelattack | Jul 19 2023 11:59 utc | 258
No photoshop. You are not well informed.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 12:35 utc | 266

#257 Another ad hominem attack from a Green Blobber. (Yawn).
Tell me when you want to have a scientific debate rather than attack people.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 19 2023 12:36 utc | 267

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 19 2023 11:03 utc | 240
thank God! for bumbling obomber, more into arming isis and arab springs than starting ww iii with putin!
and be grateful that the neolibcon mob miscalculated the amount of cheating needed to beat trump. 81 million ballots for the basement dweller in 2020!
clinton would have started full, open nato war in 2017! that likely would have gone nuclear!

Posted by: paddy | Jul 19 2023 12:38 utc | 268

Putin won’t attend BRICS summit – South Africa
I think this was an obvious and wise decisions. With the rabies-ridden maniacs in the west, you simply do not give them any options. BRICS moves forward regardless.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 12:40 utc | 269

‘narratives win wars’ ?
You’re questioning the oldest trick in showbiz.
remember that it was the “Divine Right” folk in London & then NYC that funded Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini .. & now Zelensky
I just realized how emphatically “our” enemies the last 500 years [actually, >8000?] have been our own upper class narratives. Always an epoch late and a future short. Fighting to rule the prior context.
the old “Soviet” narrative joke [“I’m winning, I’m winning” any race they lose] was actually imported from the House of Windsor
Reality always proceeds. Most people are just unaware of it.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 19 2023 12:41 utc | 270

Link to RT didn’t go through, so just a headline
Putin won’t attend BRICS summit – South Africa
I think this was a wise decision. You just don’t give the rabies-ridden ‘leaders’ of the west any options. The BRICS moves forward regardless.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 12:44 utc | 271

Question still remains who will take China’s place ? Who is happy enough to accept this burden ?
Nobody – that will be able to keep the Western FIRE sectors out the way China did. China managed it because of the way the country is run.
Whoever it will be is certain to become a Western slave. Why no developing country is putting their hands up at the minute.
North Korea would be a perfect fit. China could keep them right and show them how to keep the West out. I doubt Kim Jong is ready or willing to commit to that kind of change.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 19 2023 12:46 utc | 272

@Flying Dutchman | Jul 19 2023 12:11 utc | 262
I understand now. That is true.
SA has a bit of internal problems now, the “democratic” opposition wants to arrest Putin ( tass.com/world/1648663 ). It seems Russia has chosen not to stress SA too much but it’s a mistake, SA has no place in BRICS and stressing them to break was the best option. And now ICC will want to increase the arrest list

Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2023 12:55 utc | 273

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 12:44 utc | 272
It is a risk-averse decision, but there is a cost.
Putin now looks cowed by the Kangaroo Court in the Hague. This cowardice gives it legitimacy it has not earned.
He should have taken the risk, and traveled to South Africa with a security detail of Wagner’s most bloodthirsty and accomplished killers. Dare those losers in the Hague to do anything about it.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 19 2023 12:56 utc | 274

aristocrats & elites simply believe that reality is subservient to Divine Right

Posted by: Roger | Jul 19 2023 12:57 utc | 275

The US was clearly trying to get regime change in Russia then break it up and steal all of Russia’s real resources and export these resources to the West.
It’s no surprise then, that no poor developing country are holding up their hands to take China’s place. Invite the fox into the hen house to do exactly that avove. Then give it a fancy name ” exporting your way to growth “.
When any poor developing country worth it’s salt should know to try and get anywhere near full sovereignty it would need to use their real resources on themselves expanding their fiscal space, education and R&D and skilling up their own workforce. Not allowing the fox into the hen house.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 19 2023 13:06 utc | 276

…and while we’re at it, let’s assume that the proposed meeting of Erdogan with Putin in Turkey, much discussed last month, does NOT come to pass. While I’m inclined to doubt that Erdogan had a hand in the murder of the Russian ambassador to Turkey a few years back, it’s obvious that a guy who needed Putin to save himself from a coup attempt doesn’t run a very tight ship. That, and he isn’t exactly the first word in trustworthiness.
Supposedly the two will meet in Iran. That’s more than Erdogan deserves anyway.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2023 13:09 utc | 277

Posted by: Milites | Jul 18 2023 21:35 utc | 115
Personally I think this is one of the best posts in recent days, and hits the nail on the head.
Like Milites (forgive me if I am misunderstanding your post) I think that western attitudes to Russian military capabilities have been framed by the post-WW2 effort to de-brief ex-Nazi Generals (sorry none were really Nazi and it was all the SS and Hitler…/s) to understand the fighting methods of the Red Army – and later the Soviet and then the Russian Army. These de-briefings produced many papers and I have read most of them. Many verge on the outright racist, in the sense that the sub-humans only won because of numbers, indifference to casualties and Hitler’s mistakes. Now I know Monty is still not a popular figure for our American pals, but his rule number one in war was never to march on Moscow. As an insufferable man but a successful war leader, you might want to consider why he held that view. (some might think him unsucecssful but he did dictate the terms (unconditional) for the surrender of the Wehrmacht on Luneberg Heath…)
b is I think Correct in that the [collective west] has fallen for its own BS and – again to coin a phrase – you only have to kick in the [Russian] door and the whole rotten structure will come tumbling down.
I would like to posit some nuances though. IMHO this war was designed by NATO through provocations to incite Russia to attack when they did – ie near the on-set of the Spring 2022 Raputitsa. It was the intention of NATO (actually a small cabal within DC) that Ukraine would not win a military victory, but that sanctions would collapse the Russian economy and result in chaos and regime change, allowing the west to loot Russia and conbtrol the world island.
A few things unbalanced this cunning plan. The RF did not attack with sufficient forces to over-run Ukraine, and of course the UAF when mobilised was one of the largest in the world. It was clear that the UAF outnumbered – and has done until maybe recently – the RF.So it sort of held the line, giving rise to hopes of a military victory. Because the sub-humans obviously enage in human wave attacks armed only with shovels. And sometimes convoys of trucks with flat tyres.
And, as I posted many times on the DT in early 2022 (I rarely bother these days) it seemed to me that the Russian establishment must have known sanctions were coming and would have put in place counter-measures well before. Whilst I was ridiculed by Bde77 trolls, I would advance the view that I may have been more accurate in my assessment than the so called experts.
So I think the strategy moved to plan B, in that Ukraine would need to win a military victory. Now anyone who has more than two connected brain cells might have realised that Ukraine winning a real military victory against Russia was extremely unlikely, even with NATO support. So the plan was still to collapse Russia, but to do so by information warfare. So regardless of the truth of the matter, the internet and MSM would be flooded with experts reporting on Russian disasters, losses, chaos, surrenders, revolts, atrocities, low morale, and incompetence – as compared with the Ubermensch of the UAF using wunderwaffen and superior tactics, wily commanders and with superb morale and fighting spirit.
Well this has worked to a point. Western populations are utterly convinced that this is the truth of the matter. The Russians, the Ukrainians themselves, and the non-aligned world not at all. However it is my view that the western decision makers – supported by failed intelligence arms – have managed to convince themselves that Russia is indeed on the verge of collapse. They have fallen for their own propaganda. And herein lies the risk. Emotional involvement to a failed policy risks doubling down, ever more escalation and with nuke armed adversaries.

Posted by: marcjf | Jul 19 2023 13:12 utc | 278

let’s assume that the proposed meeting of Erdogan with Putin in Turkey, much discussed last month, does NOT come to pass
@malenkov | Jul 19 2023 13:09 utc | 278
“(18 Jul) – Russian President Vladimir Putin has no plans to hold talks with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan as of this moment, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.”

Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2023 13:15 utc | 279

@17 Soothsayer: “Hence we are an increase in the production of artillery shells and launching systems like HIMARS.”
No, there hasn’t been an increase in the production of either.
There has been an increase in ORDERS for both, which is not at all the same thing.
Waving money under the nose of the MIC may give them a gigantic erection, but it doesn’t magically correct their flaccid assembly lines or moribund production capabilities.
As the old saying goes: if wishes were horses we’d all be kings.
But they aren’t. Washington is throwing money around like a drunken sailor on shore leave. But that doesn’t equate to an “increase in production”, precisely because that is a supply-side problem, not a demand-based problem.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 19 2023 13:17 utc | 280

278 – Erdoğan blamed the killing of the ambassador (at an art gallery or some public venue, with at least one film camera rolling) on the Gülen movement. The shooter was a cop or bodyguard who was immediately and perhaps rather conveniently killed. I remember viewing the footage and seeing a pistol magazine spring lying on the floor, presumably from the shooter’s gun.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 19 2023 13:32 utc | 281

@104 unimperator Oryx consists entirely of two Dutch persons who are on temporary secondment from Bellingcat: Stijn Mitzer and Joost Oliemans
So that tells you their operation is a co-production of Dutch and British military intelligence. Nothing more, no less.
To expect their methods to be scupulous or impartial is as risible as believing that Eliot Higgins founded Bellingcat from his own resources because of his unshakeable committment to the impartial analysis of open-source information.
If you believe either proposition then I have a bridge to sell you. Good condition, one careful owner.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 19 2023 13:39 utc | 282

So Seymour is ‘suggesting’ that RFK-jr and Trump gonna run together on the 24 ticket. Sounds like mind-meddling b.s. to me, but quite possibly viable as a strategy.
I am too naive to think that such cunning tactics are at play. What do others think here, or is this really utter-b.s. propaganda meant to seduce?
Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:53 utc | 202

Much more likely….
RFK Jr & Tulsi Gabbard…. Both Democrats…. Both think outside the box…
Younger blood….. a Kennedy & a very smart poised polynesian lady…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 19 2023 13:54 utc | 283

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 12:44 utc | 272
It is a risk-averse decision, but there is a cost.
Putin now looks cowed by the Kangaroo Court in the Hague. This cowardice gives it legitimacy it has not earned.
He should have taken the risk, and traveled to South Africa with a security detail of Wagner’s most bloodthirsty and accomplished killers. Dare those losers in the Hague to do anything about it.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 19 2023 12:56 utc | 275

Putin’s arrival by Russian Naval Flotilla accompanied by Iranian Naval Flotilla & Chinese Naval Flotilla, carrying a compliment of marines….
Would have made it clear that any hanky panky would result in the Devastation of RSA..
Of course, RSA could have simply made their laws supreme, and nullified the IOC warrant pending an inperson hearing before their supreme court during which the IOC presented their case, and explained why they did not pursue the Ukie’s organ harvesting operation targeting children.
.
Latest news…. US cannot find buyers for the 800,000 Bbl of Iranian Crude they stole..
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 19 2023 14:01 utc | 284

Just a quick note on the issue of Russia’s response to cluster bombs. Putin pointed out that Russia also has large stocks of cluster bombs that they have so far refrained from using, but that if the US start using them Russia will also use them. Some have expressed disbelief that Russia would in fact use them, because their military benefits are minimal and by far the main effect is on civilians, especially children, and mostly long after the war has ended.
I don’t think Russia would use their old stocks of cluster bombs, simply because they have no benefits and massive disadvantages, especially since it is Russia that will be mopping up the casualties in the half-century or more after the war that the US cluster bombs will continue killing small children.
But Russia has mines that can be programmed to be active within a specified timeframe, and subsequently deactivate. I suspect that they will use that technology instead.
Unfortunately there is no exception to the rule that every technology has its share of duds. Will there be bomblets that fail to deactivate correctly according to the timer, and that kill children 20 years later as a result? Unfortunately I’d guess there will be some.

Posted by: BM | Jul 19 2023 14:01 utc | 285

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 19 2023 14:01 utc | 285

Of course, RSA could have simply made their laws supreme, and nullified the IOC warrant pending an in-person hearing before their supreme court during which the IOC presented their case, and explained why they did not pursue the Ukie’s organ harvesting operation targeting children.

A much better solution than having to appear weak and non-sovereign.
China has much at stake here. If they allow institutions like the ICC to be weaponized, it is only a matter of time until they find themselves targeted.
There is a huge flaw in the entire concept of international law. It presupposes a truly neutral court, unbiased and above the machinations of corrupting influences and outright capture by a bloc of nations.
Clearly, that has happened here.
What we have here is cowardice by the RSA. They are a sovereign nation, and as you say, they should simply assert their sovereign right to entertain any foreign leader or diplomat according to diplomatic protocols. The concept of “diplomatic immunity” is well-established.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 19 2023 14:12 utc | 286

I would love to be a fly on the wall when Lavrov explains to Blinken that “Yes there is such a thing as a unilateral ceasefire – it is called unconditional surrender.”

Posted by: Trumpeter | Jul 19 2023 14:15 utc | 287

Zldky | Jul 19 2023 8:11 utc | 219
According to some reports, it was the most powerful attack on the AFU in the city since the beginning of the year, 22 arrivals were recorded
Yes, is this just coincidental? True? Anyone?

Posted by: john | Jul 19 2023 14:30 utc | 288

@ marcjf | Jul 19 2023 13:12 utc | 279 and @ Milites | Jul 18 2023 21:35 utc | 115
thanks.. your posts are helpful to understand all this better..

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2023 14:33 utc | 289

Posted by: Trumpeter | Jul 19 2023 14:15 utc | 288
“unconditional surrender”
and that is what I must offer, even though Putin in his bunker, is calling the putin jugend to attack.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jul 19 2023 14:33 utc | 290

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 4:03 utc | 178
That is what I thought upon my first encounter, having been weened on the Boer War in the Netherlands. But, here is Wikipedia:
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Oryx, or Oryxspioenkop, is a Dutch open-source intelligence (OSINT) defence analysis website,[1] and warfare research group. It is run by Stijn Mitzer and Joost Oliemans. Both have previously worked for Netherlands-based Bellingcat. Oliemans also worked for Janes Information Services, a British open-source military intelligence company.
Oryx was started in 2013, and initially focused on Syria. Mitzer and Oliemans have also written two books on the Korean People’s Army. According to Oryx, the term spioenkop (Afrikaans for “spy hill”) “refers to a place from where one can watch events unfold around the world”.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 14:41 utc | 291

Sorry for the OT,b. Anthony Watts used to be a weatherman here where I live. He’s a pretty good guy, and a devout Christian, for what it’s worth. Also, he doesn’t have an ego that needs to be massaged. His site is informative and you don’t have to read the articles if that’s your choice.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 19 2023 14:44 utc | 292

For those who still might believe Trump will be a real alternative to the Biden madman

“I will ask Europe to reimburse us for the costs of restoring the stocks of weapons sent to Ukraine. They should do it now, but [U.S. President] Joe Biden is too weak, he is not respected, and he cannot even ask for it, ” Trump said.

Clearly, Trump is part of the club.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 14:47 utc | 293

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 18 2023 17:23 utc | 9
If you don’t want see people using 4chan popularized words/memes I suggest you get off the internet.
Also, cope, seethe, dilate!

Posted by: b is a bitch | Jul 19 2023 14:56 utc | 294

@ Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 14:41 utc | 292
spioenkop (Afrikaans for “spy hill”) “refers to a place from where one can watch events unfold around the world”.
Sure. They do not even know that Bellingcat’s owners lost a battle there. Boers won.
Also it is a mountain, 1400+ m high in KwaZulu. Kop means ‘head’.
I think they wanted to feel grandiose and had idea that they are spy-heads, and above all other on information they produced, more than really knowing the history of whats and whys and the facts.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 19 2023 15:02 utc | 295

A modest suggestion…
Far too much non-Ukraine stuff is winding up in the Ukraine thread, imho. There is another thread, you know, often called something like Open (Not Ukraine) Thread. Perhaps that might be a better place for the plethora of irrelevant comments above, which make our Ukraine thread less useful for lurkers like myself.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 19 2023 15:05 utc | 296

Escalation dominance?

Statement of the Ministry of Defence on the termination of the grain deal
🔻 From 20 July 00:00 Moscow time, all ships sailing in the waters of the Black Sea to Ukrainian ports will be considered as potential carriers of military cargoes.
🔻 The flag countries of such ships will be considered to be involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.
🔻 A number of sea areas in the north-western and south-eastern parts of the international waters of the Black Sea have been declared temporarily dangerous for navigation.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/5855

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2023 15:12 utc | 297

RFK Jr & Tulsi Gabbard…. Both Democrats…. Both think outside the box…
Younger blood….. a Kennedy & a very smart poised polynesian lady…
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 19 2023 13:54 utc | 284

FWIW Tulsi Gabbard left the Democratic Party last October.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2023 15:21 utc | 298

I agree marcjf and said something similar a few months back.
Never get high on your own supply.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 19 2023 15:22 utc | 299

Wondering if slaughtering thousands of helpless conscripted Ukrainians day in and day out, then publishing the daily count like it was some sort of war trophy, all the while those responsible and the centres where the decisions are made that get those Ukrainians and many Russians killed are let off, is that a crime in and of itself.
Why does Russia not target the decision makers? Putin can’t travel to SA, has a price on his head: Dead, or Alive. Yet Zielinski entertains and sleeps in Kiev….
Cheers

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 19 2023 15:23 utc | 300