Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 18, 2023
Ukraine Sitrep – Reality Defeats The War Narrative

At the beginning of the war in Ukraine I pointed out that the false narrative of ‘Ukraine is winning’ which the ‘western’ propaganda steadily promoted would not win the real war on the ground.

As the war continued I made the point again and again.

In this week’s SCF column Alastair Crooke makes the same point in much more detail.

A Bonfire of the Vanities

Hubris consists in believing that a contrived narrative can, in and of itself, bring victory. It is a fantasy that has swept through the West – most emphatically since the 17th century. Recently, the Daily Telegraph published a ridiculous nine minute video purporting to show that ‘narratives win wars’, and that set-backs in the battlespace are incidentals: What matters is to have a thread of unitary narrative articulated, both vertically and horizontally, throughout the spectrum – from the special forces’ soldier in the field through to the pinnacle of the political apex.

The gist of it is that ‘we’ (the West) have compelling a narrative, whilst Russia’s is ‘clunky’ – ‘Us winning therefore, is inevitable’.

It is easy to scoff, but nonetheless we can recognise in it a certain substance (even if that substance is an invention). Narrative is now how western élites imagine the world.

The weakness to this new ‘liberal’ authoritarianism is that its key narrative myths can get busted. One just has; slowly, people begin to speak reality.

Ukraine: How do you win an unwinnable war? Well, the élite answer has been through narrative. By insisting against reality that Ukraine is winning, and Russia is ‘cracking’. But such hubris eventually is busted by facts on the ground. Even the western ruling classes can see their demand for a successful Ukrainian offensive has flopped. At the end, military facts are more powerful than political waffle: One side is destroyed, its many dead become the tragic ‘agency’ to upending dogma.

Even as reality seeps out the narrative of a ‘successful’ western battle tactics in form of combined arms warfare gets reinforced.

Ukraine aims to sap Russia’s defenses, as U.S. urges a decisive breakthroughWashington Post

Western officials and analysts say Ukraine’s military has so far embraced an attrition-based approach aimed largely at creating vulnerabilities in Russian lines by firing artillery and missiles at command, transport and logistics sites at the rear of the Russian position, instead of conducting what Western military officials call “combined arms” operations that involve coordinated maneuvers by large groups of tanks, armored vehicles, infantry, artillery and, sometimes, air power.

Ukraine’s military leaders argue that, lacking aviation might, they must avoid unnecessary losses against an adversary with a far larger pool of recruits and weaponry. To preserve manpower, Ukraine has fielded just four of a dozen trained brigades in the current campaign.

A new element in the narrative is that Ukraine is loosing because it does not use the glorious combined arms operations ‘western’ military told them to use.

Franz-Stefan Gady, from the British International Institute for Strategic Studies, has just been in Ukraine where he talked with Ukrainian soldiers and commanders at the frontline. In a Twitter thread he summarizes what he has seen but is strongly promoting the same narrative:

By and large this is an infantryman’s fight (squad, platoon & company level) supported by artillery along most of the frontline. This has several implications:
1st: Progress is measured by yards/meters and not km/miles given reduced mobility.
2nd: Mechanized formations are rarely deployed due to lack of enablers for maneuver. This includes insufficient quantities of de-mining equipment, air defenses, ATGMs etc.

2.) Ukrainian forces have still not mastered combined arms operations at scale. Operations are more sequential than synchronized. This creates various problems for the offense & IMO is the main cause for slow progress.

4.) Minefields are a problem as most observers know. They confine maneuver space & slow advances. But much more impactful than the minefields per se on Ukraine’s ability to break through Russian defenses is 🇺🇦s inability to conduct complex combined arms operations at scale.
Lack of a comprehensive combined arms approach at scale makes Ukrainian forces more vulnerable to Russian ATGMs, artillery etc. while advancing. So it’s not just about equipment. There’s simply no systematic pulling apart of the Russian defensive system that I could observe.

The narrative element is the same as in the Washington Post. That the Ukrainians are not using our vaunted combined arms operations is the reason for their failure.

The well synchronized New York Times piece is making the same point:

But that artillery-centric approach raises questions about whether Ukraine has lost confidence in the combined arms tactics — synchronized attacks by infantry, armor and artillery forces — that nine new brigades learned from American and other Western advisers in recent months. Western officials heralded the approach as more efficient than the costly strategy of wearing Russian forces down by attrition and depleting their ammunition stocks.

Senior U.S. officials in recent weeks had privately expressed frustration that some Ukrainian commanders, exasperated at the slow pace of the initial assault and fearing increased casualties among their ranks, had reverted to old habits — decades of Soviet-style training in artillery barrages — rather than sticking with the Western tactics and pressing harder to breach the Russian defenses.

However, the narrative is wrong.

The Ukrainian do not fear increased casualties. They did try combined arms warfare in the beginning of the counteroffensive in early June. After a few days of trying again and again they noted that the attacks failed with ever greater losses and were not sustainable. A third of the tanks and other material the ‘west’ had sent to Ukraine was destroyed in the attempts to use ‘fire and maneuver’ to break through Russian mine fields and defense lines.

Ukraine then returned to the current ‘mosquito tactics’ where small groups of infantry soldiers try to make small progress bit by bit. The likely loss of more tanks was thus replaced with the likely loss of more lives.

The narrative element that a combined arms attack would have more success is simply false.

As Crooke explains:

The hubris, at one level, lay in NATO’s pitting of its alleged ‘superior’ military doctrine and weapons versus that of a deprecated, Soviet-style, hide-bound, Russian military rigidity – and ‘incompetence’.

But military facts on the ground have exposed the western doctrine as hubris – with Ukrainian forces decimated, and its NATO weaponry lying in smoking ruins. It was NATO that insisted on re-enacting the Battle of 73 Easting (from the Iraqi desert, but now translated into Ukraine).

In Iraq, the ‘armoured fist’ punched easily into Iraqi tank formations: It was indeed a thrusting ‘fist’ that knocked the Iraqi opposition ‘for six’. But, as the U.S. commander at that tank battle (Colonel Macgregor), frankly admits, its outcome against a de-motivated opposition largely was fortuitous.

Nonetheless ‘73 Easting’ is a NATO myth, turned into the general doctrine for the Ukrainian forces – a doctrine structured around Iraq’s unique circumstance.

In the first year of the second world war the German Wehrmacht used combined arms warfare to wage its blitzkrieg against inferior adversaries. The tactic failed two years later when it tried to break through solid Soviet defense lines.

In the battle of 73 Easting the U.S. army could repeat blitzkrieg tactics because he had air superiority, well trained troops and better weapons. But the circumstance in Ukraine can not be compared to a mobile war in the desert.

The Black Sea grain deal has, as we expected, ended. The Ukraine reacted to this anticipated loss with a another successful attack on the Kerch bridge. Road traffic will be hindered or blocked for two or three months but the more important rail lines along the route are still intact.

As the grain deal was expected to fail, the Ukrainians may well have thought of breaking the blockade of its harbors by asking for more ships to come. But the Russia military has now used a large drone and missile attack to make sure that the facilities in Odessa and other Ukrainian Black Sea harbors can no longer be used to load or unload ships. It thus does not make sense for any ships to go there.

Over the last week the ground war in east Ukraine has further intensified. In the north of the eastern contact line the Russian army has launched its own attacks. In the center and south the Ukrainians still try to break through Russian defenses. But they are losing about 700 soldiers per day with little to show for the losses.

The Russian’s are again concentrating on the defeat of the Ukrainian artillery. Over the last five days they claimed to have destroyed 27 brigade level ammunition depots. Each of these should usually hold around 30 tons of shells and missiles. Thus such attacks add up. During those five days the Russians also claimed to have destroyed some 66 Ukrainian artillery pieces. It is race of what will be completely lost first, the ammunition the Ukrainian’s can use or the guns that are needed to fire it.

But some Ukrainians still insist on continuing the senseless fight.

War Monitor @WarMonitors – 10:38 UTC · Jul 18, 2023

⚡️“Returning Bakhmut is a matter of honour. We have lost many of our brothers there, we simply must recapture it”— Syrsky during a BBC interview

The way too emotional interview quote is not in the writeup of the BBC interview but I still have not seen a video of it.

That Ukraine has already lost many soldiers in Bakhmut should certainly not be a reason to continue fighting for it. It has by now only symbolic value. Even it would again change hands it would not change the trajectory of the bigger war.

Ukraine is loosing that war. The Jig Is Up and NATO knows it. Ukraine will never be allowed to become a member.

A new narrative element is creeping in with talks about a ceasefire in Ukraine. It would give the Ukraine time to refit its military.

But Russia has absolutely no reason to agree to a pause in the fight. During the war its military has become larger and better and a total defeat of the Ukrainian army is only a question of time.

The U.S. and NATO will soon have lost their big proxy war against Russia.

In light of this reality the much larger, centuries old narrative of the superior West is also breaking down.

This will have global consequences for decades to come.

Comments

Eoin Clancy @ 12
Excellent work yet again b. To further your point, have a look at this 5 minute video, Ukraine in a nutshell.
https://youtu.be/9J_wBx-FBcc
Response: Thanks for the video reference. Watched this short video. As of this posting, 1 million viewers got a taste of what this mercenaries had experienced in Ukraine’s recent offensive launched June 4th. Does not look good for Ukraine.

Posted by: young | Jul 18 2023 20:49 utc | 101

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 18 2023 18:42 utc | 47
The real numbers of destroyed RU tanks are probably between 1/2 and 1/3 of Oryx numbers, and destroyed AFU tanks are 2-3x of Oryx numbers.
The reason? Simply because Oryx standard operating procedure is to throw in Ukrainian tanks as Russian tanks, and take photographs of Russian tanks from 3 angles, and presenting them as three separate tanks.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 18 2023 20:57 utc | 102

This will have global consequences for decades to come.
Will it though? It’s going to take more than losing in Ukraine for this narrative to shift. There has to be a genuine loss ‘at home’. Ideological belief and certitude, when accompanied by the colossal graft that it opens up, involves too many interests to be deterred by a Syria, Afghanistan or Ukraine. Only when those consequences move from global to local do they bite. You rightly point out that Russia knows this and will therefore settle for nothing less in Ukraine than a repeat of Berlin 1945. Until the USA (and London, etc) suffers something comparable the shitshow will pile on unabated. One ought to remember that belief in one narrative cannot be countered with another (the myth of imminent US collapse).
Sidenote: for any Aussies out there it is interesting to watch the (non-)fallout from the Robodebt Royal Commission as a distant comparison to what b and Crooke are talking about here. On the one hand, there was (and continues to be) a massive public outcry at what amounted to a bureaucratic and ideological war on the poor which resulted in multiple suicides and vast psychic trauma—not to mention the theft from said poor of AUD$4B+. On the other, however, the ‘new’ government relies on the continuity of the existing public service to carry out its policies, that is, to carry on being craven, unethical yes-men to all manner of corrupt and illegal schemes. So the net result for justice will be bubkis. We all thought that the Royal Commission—which was a successful public inquiry and a no-holds-barred savage indictment on third-world style managerial corruption and incompetence in one of the most developed nations in the world—would also deliver justice to the 4 or 5 frankly evil politicians and senior bureaucrats. But no. They will keep their fat salaries, their public honours, and their positions of influence and wait out the public’s attention span.
Ukraine will be the same. No one will be held accountable, there will never be a transparent reckoning of accounts and the parties responsible at all levels will be promoted and enjoy a comfortable retirement while thousands in Ukraine will nurse grudges until the second round. There will be no “global consequences for decades to come” until Zelensky, Biden and Boris Johnson are hanging dead by their feet pelted with stones. Until then, as Capt Willard said, “never get out of the boat… not unless you’re going all the way”.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 18 2023 20:58 utc | 103

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 18 2023 19:06 utc | 61
Thanks, your comment “That. Must. Hurt.” made me smile, may I suggest adding “Bigly.”?
@Posted by: james | Jul 18 2023 19:55 utc | 69 & 74
Thanks for the laugh!

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 18 2023 21:06 utc | 104

juliania | Jul 18 2023 20:34 utc | 93–
The plight of Europe is sobering; are they the next Ukraine? That is the question
That’s a key question part of which I’ve already answered regarding the state of NATO’s European military components, particularly Germany–by supporting Ukraine, they’ve greatly disarmed themselves without Russia having touched them directly. The illegal sanctions and utterly insane energy policy foisted, but avidly enacted, on the EU by its Master has caused massive structural damage to the EU’s economy. To save itself from the fate it’s subjected itself to, the key EU nations must undergo deep wholesale political change akin to a revolution. Given the passivity seen in many EU nations, their publics seem to be as drunk on the NATO Kool-Aid as NATO is; so, the question becomes: Will they sober-up before it’s too late to easily reverse their deindustrialization so they can continue to have functioning economies, not just make weapons?
Which NATO member might become its next sacrifice? The governments of the Baltics and Poland seem avid enough, but militarily versus Russia they have the equivalent of ED that no amount of Viagra will stiffen. We should know by the end of the year.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2023 21:08 utc | 105

The grain deal was not cancelled. It expired and Russia did not renew it, because the west never carried out their part of the agreement.
Saying Russia cancelled it is US/NATO propaganda.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 18 2023 21:09 utc | 106

Good summary but one element is missing from the Iraq war narrative.
Many commander in the Iraqi army were bought, bribed to give up, go home, and live … offering nothing more than token resistance for form.

Posted by: Webej | Jul 18 2023 21:09 utc | 107

wagelaborer | Jul 18 2023 21:09 utc | 108–
Correctamundo!! And those promises will never be fulfilled; so, it’s a done deal–kaput.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2023 21:18 utc | 108

Posted by: Tenet | Jul 18 2023 17:52 utc | 23
———————————————–
I do not disagree with the premise of your comment, it sounds reasonable. One problem; I can’t have much faith in a report that has NOT been sourced. Want to try it again?

Posted by: Ed | Jul 18 2023 21:19 utc | 109

Following a bit live ship-air maps and stuff around, and I am now certain that NATO are training parachutes, throwing them from Airbus Atlas, from Brize Norton and then some kilometers North-East.
So extensive NATO training in UK is showing some intentions.
It is now very obvious that they train for multiple helicopter-designated cross fire, aimed at land clearing, inserting troops in a rear.
Apache hovers for 1 hour, shoots, goes low, stays behind the treelines. Also happening in Romania.
Typhoons are prepping for dog fights above the North Sea.
Hawks, as trainers, are seen a lot over the North-Western Scotland. Possibly Ukrainians training, also it could be F-16 with an exchanged transponder. Very possible, NATO is sneaky there, but one can see how they fly and notice differences. Also some bigger SAR ships and mil did possibly some landing excises, at the very South of UK last month. There were swarms of rotaries, also.
All together those are old NATO strategies and moves. I know. It is NATO ‘maskirovka’, trying to outsmart ‘Soviets’, still not understanding how they function.
NATO does a deadly mistake there. But I see no let up in making it.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 18 2023 21:26 utc | 110

One thing that seems rarely mentioned much (but B did briefly refer to Germany as a failed state) is that the collapse of Germany as a manufacturing power house seems probable. Since Germany has always been an engineering and manufacturing hub, I do not see it reinventing itself as a services country. The UK has done so, but somehow I do not think this could be copied by Germany.
With manufacturing prospects seemingly on a disastrous slide (we will know more by the end of July and a lot more by early 2024), what will become of Europe or more specifically the EU. France is not strong enough to carry it, nor Italy. Poland has always been a recipient from, not a donor to, the EU budget. So there MUST be a great deal of belt tightening in the newly joined EU members. I predict Poland will be the first to go if the money tree dries up. A weakened EU may be able to carry the tiny states, but you would be left with a weak EU and two allied rivals in the UK and Poland. Greece, Bulgaria and other Balkan states may see their future better aligned with BRICS, especially if Turkey ever joins (not likely at the moment).

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2023 21:31 utc | 111

unimperator @ 94
“That’s why AFU is done once their little adventures south of Bakhmut are mopped up. General Syrsky of AFU said recently that they must capture Bakhmut due to it being a symbolic event. You don’t need to hear any more to understand the basis of decision making is brain dead, after that.”
Response: Agree that the “AFU is done” after “their little adventures south of Bakhmut are mopped up”.
It appears that Russia is staging for a larger offensive. If they wait too long, they will be faced with mud again slowing and stopping the advancement of their heavy equipment.

Posted by: young | Jul 18 2023 21:31 utc | 112

Sorry, the Germans had perfected combined arms warfare and largely as a result drove to the Volga. Poor operational planning and ad-hoc strategies doomed them, certainly not their tactical performance. Even at Kursk, they managed to get through the initial Russian defensive belt, thanks to close cooperation between different arms and were formidable still in the last year of the war. So saying combined arms is the cause for the failure is wrong, NATO’s entire pre SMO strategy, battalion level focus and lower, with corps operations as a hasty afterthought during the SMO, made Ukraine’s mission impossible to achieve. Interestingly Russia took away from her WW2 experiences the absolute necessity for combined arms, or all arms warfare as she called it, though adapting its principles to a mainly conscript army heavily reliant on artillery as a weapon of decision.
The West’s insistence in the superiority of the narrative really is for two reasons, one borne of increasing desperation and one with more than an element of truth to it. The former is because the increasingly dictatorial, former Western democracies are having to overtly voice ideas as their population’s self-belief in them wanes. The majority of the West understood their societies many problems but still believed, in Churchill’s axiomatic summation, that it was the best of a bad lot. Not now, so the state has to increasingly imitate Orwell’s Ministry of Truth, telling its citizens of its superiority.
The later reason though has some merit, Russian attitudes to war are largely scientific, with the DNA of its army firmly Red, especially the Marxist belief that the chaos of battle could be tamed, almost regulated by applying mathematical formula. It’s why Russian reports always talk of achieving the required mission, or performing their tasks accurately and in a timely manner, and ‘clobber lists’ are often just the outputs of their coefficients predicted outcomes. As such, predictability is key, if things are working as planned the organisation benefits hugely, success becomes, in essence, a force multiplier. The problem is that if the predictions fail to deliver the desired result, the organisation takes time readjusting and is vulnerable to dislocation. Post War German accounts, eagerly converted into doctrinal assertions by the West, who now faced Russia as an enemy, unfortunately attributed this command delay to Slavic inferiority, using stereotypical/racist language. This attitude also began to pervade Western militaries who believed that Western individualism was inherently superior and could be used to unbalance the ‘giant with feet of clay’ (a much over-used phrase during the Cold-War). This individualism would produce technologically superior weapon systems wielded by quick thinking proponents of mission based tactics, to surprise the Soviets and have their system work against itself, constantly becoming the inferior in Boyd’s infamous OODA loop. Returning to Kursk, there was evidence of this. In the North, where due to restrictive terrain the Germans advanced predictably, they only made a minor penetration. In the south however, rapid moves in surprise directions, seized key terrain and necessitated the disastrous release of 5th Guards Tank Army that mindlessly threw itself at the Germans, who netted themselves a near 10:1 kill ratio.
Therefore, fast forward to the SMO, NATO believed that all they had to do was crack the Russian defence quickly, in a few locations, and a cascade effect would swamp Russian command and control and with it a collapse in morale. The narrative of the superiority of Western tactics would be the same as the Stuka’s sirens, winning the battle before it was fought. Hence all the stress on the Russians running, to plant the idea and then turn it into a reality, especially if the original plan was to be launched amidst the backdrop of mercenary mutinies and attacks on Russia. Telegram would have been weaponised, as Russian supporters watched their army buckle and then retreat and the Ukrainians would exploit the inevitable delay the system needed to readjust. But, as Black Adder famously commented, when explaining the pre-War plans to deter war in 1914, ‘ there was only one problem with it……..it was complete bollocks!’

Posted by: Milites | Jul 18 2023 21:35 utc | 113

Kaiama | Jul 18 2023 17:09 utc | 1
***I hear the Ukraine wants to change its constiution to allow foreign military bases on its soil. Paving the way for the Poles to become target #1 and increase the chances of WW3.***
Doubt they really want Poles to have a base — more likely trying to enable a version of the US bases in Syria, though arguably this time a bit more of a legalised presence.
Perhaps with a runway for (unofficially) US piloted F-16s?

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 18 2023 21:38 utc | 114

watcher @ 113
“One thing that seems rarely mentioned much (but B did briefly refer to Germany as a failed state) is that the collapse of Germany as a manufacturing power house seems probable. Since Germany has always been an engineering and manufacturing hub, I do not see it reinventing itself as a services country. The UK has done so, but somehow I do not think this could be copied by Germany.”
Response: German industry has been the continual economic driver for the EU. Cheap Russian energy was key in allowing Germany to accomplish its industrial progress.
Now the cheap Russian energy is gone. It will be difficult for Germany and the EU to continue its economic drive unless it obtains cheap energy elsewhere.
Being a member of the EU is going to quickly lose its golden luster.

Posted by: young | Jul 18 2023 21:41 utc | 115

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 18 2023 18:30 utc | 41
35 is not writing a movie script, just highlighting the realities
Or oversimplifying the realities.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 18 2023 18:59 utc | 54
What are you talking about? This site has always emphasized the strategic value of Bakhmut.
B just used the term “symbolic” in this post.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 18 2023 19:01 utc | 57
Woke was originally used by the new puritans of thought and deed. It only became bad after people associated it with their ridiculous ideas.
Actually, “woke” was hardly used by anyone, until right wing neo-Fascists started using the word endlessly, pushing a lie that anyone progressive was using that word. The right wing nuts pretty much own the word now.
Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 18 2023 20:23 utc | 85
Since when is cope “a phrase”?
Since hard right-wing internet trolls co-opted the word as their meme.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 18 2023 20:41 utc | 98
Classic Western propaganda finding Nazis everywhere
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 18 2023 18:34 utc | 45
When are you going to join your swastika tattooed Hitler saluting Waffen SS pride parading blueyellow ragwagging prisoner-murdering Ukranazi brothers in the trenches, Inkanazi 1969?
Ahenobarbus, I’m not the one here crazy enough to claim there are Nazis everywhere nonstop. Or to go on about not joining while not joining himself and claiming that suspending his novel is a huge burden.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 18 2023 21:43 utc | 116

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2023 21:31 utc | 113
«Since Germany has always been an engineering and manufacturing hub, I do not see it reinventing itself as a services country. The UK has done so»
That did not happen in the UK, it happened only in the Greater London area. Most of the UK has not much in the way of either manufacturing or services, except that area surrounding Greater London, the south-East region, still sort of lingers on with the sole industry of housing speculation (as suburban properties for people working in Greater London), but eventually it will be left to sink like the rest of the UK, while the government will concentrate solely on keeping Greater London as the northern european version of Dubai (rather than Singapore, which did have some manufacturing).
That’s why the UK government’s posturing as a Great Power (rather than as an USA tool) bestride the destinies of Europe is ridiculous.
When England was a real Great Power this was why:
E. Wrigley, “Energy and the english industrial revolution” (2010):
Approximately two-thirds of the European production of cotton textiles took place in the UK. The comparable percentages for iron production and coal production were 64 and 76 per cent. […] The total of installed steam engine horsepower was far larger than on the continent. In 1840, 75 per cent of the combined total capacity of stationary steam engines in Britain, France, Prussia and Belgium was in Britain alone (the other three countries accounted for the great bulk of installed capacity on the continent).
Nowadays England has little more than Blue Passports and operetta kingdom guards with bearskin hats.

Posted by: Blissex | Jul 18 2023 21:44 utc | 117

Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 18 2023 20:07 utc 79
We know there are Jews buried at Babi Yar how?

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jul 18 2023 21:48 utc | 118

Saying Russia cancelled it is US/NATO propaganda.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 18 2023 21:09 utc | 108
correct. AFAIK, no one has published the UN-RF agreement. But this is the tripartite document. As you will see, UKRAINE is the principal “security” guarantor; RF is primarily committed to joint cargo inspections—the number of personnel has varied since Aug last; and term renewal is conditional, for example, “(H.) This initiative will remain in effect for 120 days from the date of signature by all Parties and can
be extended automatically for the same period, unless one of the Parties notifies the other of the intent to terminate the initiative, or to modify it.” At the 3rd renewal, RF refused UA demand to “extend” the deal 17 March, not 120 but 365 days. In fact the schedule was: 22 July 2022:120—29 Oct 2022 Sevastapol strike—18 Nov 2022: 120, 17 Mar 2023: 60, 18 May: 60.
UN | Initiative on the Safe Transportation of Grain and Foodstuffs from Ukrainian Ports, Done in Istanbul on the 22nd day of July, 2022

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 18 2023 21:49 utc | 119

can anyone access this site? https://z.mil.ru/files/morf/brif_14072023_slides.pdf
is supposedly the source of SF’s article “US MILITARY RESEARCHES IN UKRAINE AND WORLDWIDE AIMED TO CREATE ARTIFICIALLY CONTROLLED EPIDEMICS – RUSSIAN MOD”
“The Russian Ministry of Defense named those who tried to hide information about the inhumane researches with pathogens of dangerous infections and drug trials on the population of Ukraine within the framework of US biological programs. They included the CEO of Wooden Horse Strategies, Director of the Ukraine 3000 Foundation Marina Antonova”
interesting name…Trojan horse of bioweapons.

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jul 18 2023 21:51 utc | 120

JT | Jul 18 2023 18:02 utc | 27
*** national Socialists are LEFT wingers)***
No, the NSDAP had both ‘right’ and ‘left’ wings till the defeat of the Strasser brothers and SA in the civil war within that party. After which, the Nazis were what could nowadays be called ‘centre-right’.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 18 2023 21:52 utc | 121

The phrase “cope” was popularized by very Fascist-leaning posters on websites like 4Chan. People far more Fascist than anyone in an Azov batallion.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 18 2023 17:23 utc | 9
You should know? I mean since you spend so much time there drooling over “deviant art” like fornicating furries, amirite?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2023 21:52 utc | 122

JT | Jul 18 2023 18:02 utc | 27
*** national Socialists are LEFT wingers)***
In addition to previous comment … see the economic policy of the NSDAP of 1933 as compared to 1939.
Far more difference than there is between the policies of major — *allegedly* opposing — parties in the modern UK or USA.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 18 2023 21:57 utc | 123

Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 18 2023 20:23 utc | 85
Re: The use of the word (or phrase) “cope.” Inkan1969 is playing a little game, as I’m sure you and everyone else can see. Think about the term “red pill” which was popularized in its present usage in “The Matrix” or “Total Recall” (though it’s really closer in “The Matrix” to what people mean by it today). The “incel” community (of which Inkan1969 is surely a founding member) or PuA (Pickup Artist) community use that word for their own purposes, as I’m sure the 4Chan losers use “cope” differently than the rest of us. So Mr. NAFO Furry Fella is attempting to smear by conflation as though simply using a common word or phrase in everyday conversation – when that word or phrase also has a special meaning to a community of “undesirables” (eg. Nazis, Incels, Furries) – is a sign of “undesirable” or negative tendencies in the people using the word/phrase correctly or according to the more popular origin and meaning.
Inkan1969 needs to stop coping so hard and take the red pill on Ukraine already.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2023 21:58 utc | 124

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2023 21:08 utc | 107
juliania | Jul 18 2023 20:34 utc | 93–
The plight of Europe is sobering; are they the next Ukraine? That is the question
That’s a key question part of which I’ve already answered regarding the state of NATO’s European military components, particularly Germany–by supporting Ukraine, they’ve greatly disarmed themselves without Russia having touched them directly. ….
=================================================
Seems to me there are two sides to the over-arching Euro-military dynamic in that
a) what NATO-Europe can do militarily in the active sense, i.e. the sort of shenanigans ongoing in Ukraine versus
b) what happens in their States in the passive sense in the event of internal domestic disturbance.
In terms of a): what happens if/when the fighting in Ukraine bleeds itself out and Ukraine + NATO can no longer field soldiers to prevent RF from marching around wherever they want in what was once sovereign Ukraine? Unless RF goes on a rampage invading Poland and Germany etc., European States will not need their military to defend. They only need it to provoke RF without seriously threatening her. (Unless nukes etc but they are hi-tech toys, not massed military force per se.)
In terms of b): as this goes on, with or without outright defeat in Ukraine, the internal domestics in European States are going to continue steadily worsening. First, the elites seem to be deliberately undermining their own societies and there is no hint of that changing anytime soon. Second, clearly the Western economic ecosphere cannot remain healthy when bifurcated from the RoW and moreover the deindustrialization encouraged for so long by their own elites, which facilitated the Asian rise, has left them with extremely vulnerable economies with working classes increasingly bereft of dignity and purpose. In other words, the West faces an existential, once-in-an-epoch Reckoning.
So perhaps the main reason the West keeps throwing people against the RF defensive lines is because IF the fighting stops THEN the internal weaknesses will become increasingly harder to obfuscate and long-simmering frustrations will start to boil over. But also: the longer they keep doing this, the more people will begin to see that their leaders are both incompetent and uncaring and need to be confronted.
Unless, of course, there is something to the Reset narrative , in which case presumably They have a plan in place for what happens after their engineered collapse or mayhem.
Reset or not, it looks like when the fighting in Ukraine runs out of steam, there is going to be a Reckoning in the West. Wouldn’t it be nice if the people themselves started waking up to insist on substantive change? But We the People don’t act without leaders to follow and right now, judging by what is happening to Trump voters in the US and Brexit voters in the UK, and many more citizens in other States: Resistance is Futile!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 18 2023 21:58 utc | 125

Sorry but crushing labor unions, purging communists and socialists, and elevating oligarch owned industry to integrate with the government isn’t “LEFT” by any definition and is actually FAR RIGHT.
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2023 22:00 utc | 126

From the above:

For their part, businesses welcomed the Nazis’ promises to suppress the left. On 20 February 1933, Hitler and Goering met with a large group of industrialists when Hitler declared that democracy and business were incompatible and that the workers needed to be dragged away from socialism. He promised bold action to protect their businesses and property from communism. The industrialists – including leading figures from I.G. Farben, Hoesch, Krupp, Siemens, Allianz and other senior mining and manufacturing groups – then contributed more than two million Reichsmarks to the Nazi election fund, with Goering tellingly suggesting that this would probably be the last election for a hundred years. Business leadership happily jettisoned democracy to rid Germany of socialism and to smash organised labour.
After fighting four elections between 1930 and 1933 on an anti-left and anti-Jewish platform that pledged to slay the mythical beast of “Judeo-Bolshevism,” Hitler became Chancellor in 1933 and made good on his promises to business and his voters to destroy socialism in Germany. Most of 1933 was spent persecuting socialists and communists, liquidating their parties, incarcerating and in numerous cases killing their leadership and rank-and-file members.
Trade unions had been in Hitler’s sights since a general strike paralysed a right-wing-coup (Kapp Putsch) in 1920. He had witnessed the striking workers and vowed that never again would organised labour prevent the right coming to power. It was the left (trade unions and Jews), after all, that he and others on the right thought had “stabbed” the nation in the back on the home-front to cause the loss of the First World War. By early May 1933, the trade unions had been destroyed. German socialism was in tatters. Not for nothing did Nazis say that the “ideas of 1933” (their national-racial “revolution”) had vanquished those of “1789” – namely, the French Revolution and its ideals of equality, fraternity and liberty that have animated the left ever since.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2023 22:01 utc | 127

“The entire coast and water area of the Black Sea from the mouth of the Danube to fraternal Abkhazia should be exclusively Russian in order to exclude any possibility of using the sea and air space to attack Crimea and Sevastopol, as well as provocations and sabotage against the Crimean Bridge or our ports on the Caucasian coast”.
This is the opinion of the director of the Institute of CIS Countries in Sevastopol, captain of the 1st rank of the reserve Sergey Gorbachev.

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 18 2023 22:02 utc | 128

The Nato is nothing better than the Nazis WaffenSS, with many small nations giving their
contribution to the warfare coalition. Most of the European nations had their voluntary
divisions: Spain, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Finland = in the Wiking, with their Finnish Freiwillige Battalion, (as far as Terek, 1943), (as even in WW1. 27.e Jaeger) Sweden has some 200 volunteers, dispersed, but delivered 50% of the German iron ore, 1942-1944, Poland had even a contingent, but not much talk about that, post war, Hungary, had as Finland their own army on the Eastfront, as Romania, and don’t forget the Italians, at the Stalingrad. (But Germany even recruited the Vlassov, ROA army, of Russians.)
Most are used to go WaffenSS, since 1941, perfect for Nato, they just waited for an opportunity.

Posted by: Reader | Jul 18 2023 22:06 utc | 129

fyi
Ukraine Defense Contact Group Meeting with SecDef Austin & Gen. Milley
[30 mins]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKYi4lNP-2U

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 18 2023 22:16 utc | 130

the brit interviewer is obfuscating to hide nafo’s shoddy doctrine and that diverse wunderwaffen are the most useless materiel solutions. not only in the hands of ukuranazis!!!
nafo delivered wunerwaffen to a military that had no doctrine to use it, presuming the warsaw pact offensive formations were not left in ukraine in 1991.
the wunderwaffen proved unsuitable to the terrain, the opposing defensive “set”, and did not match the russian force tactically in fires, mobility and armour!
operationally the ukraine military did not have a chance to fail, they never get to the operational level being blasted at thee tactical.
blasted at tactical is intelligence failure, training failure, last mile logistics failure and failure of leadership to send unsuited formations to battle.
russian federation defenses model nato (from before it became nafo) use of layered defense and anbush.
if the ukraine had engineers to deal with the mines, they were taken out by the tactical set formed to take the scouting elements…..
once mines defeated the tactical element it was over.
had they got to the operational level, the unreliability and poor maintenance plans would have halted the operation.
it is good the attacks did not progress to prove the wunderwaffen unsuited to any battle not scripted by the arms merchants.
time for nafo to rethink strategy, deploy more tac nukes and buy a bunch of tanks for the war profits.
right now it is defend the military industry complexes!

Posted by: paddy | Jul 18 2023 22:23 utc | 131

I’m being a bit impertinent and posting this here.
EU-CELAC joint declaration was published a few hours ago. It’s really very good, and I think the CELAC nations can congratulate themselves on it! On page 8, item #28 appears to be a rival mechanism to the IMF, World Bank, and maybe even anything from China, for funding.
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/07/18/declaration-of-the-eu-celac-summit-2023-17-18-july-2023/

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 18 2023 22:26 utc | 132

psychohistorian | Jul 18 2023 19:31 utc | 66
*** The meek shall inherit the earth…..may truly come to pass ***
Before or after liquidating the Oligarchs plus their front-men and apparatchiks?

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 18 2023 22:27 utc | 133

aquadraht | Jul 18 2023 20:07 utc | 79
*** The OUN was the vanguard of the Holocaust, with their own annihilation program, and their mass murder in Lemberg preceded all systematic destruction by the Nazis. Later, OUN “Hilfswillige” assisted in the concentration camps, another “hero of Ukraine” of nowadays, Roman Shukhtyevich, taking part in mass murders in Byelorussia alongside German SS and police units, torching thousands of villages.***
Since it all too clearly now doesn’t bother the Zionists, ADL, BoD etc.– they keenly support and even sponsor the continuation of its perpetrators — why should it matter a damn to anyone else either?

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 18 2023 22:39 utc | 134

129 Tom_Q_Collins
Fun fact – The term: privatization, was first put into practice by the Nazis. Privatization was the English term for the German Reprivatisierung-their effort to de-natiinalize the economy.
https://daily.jstor.org/the-roots-of-privatization/

Posted by: Milton | Jul 18 2023 22:44 utc | 135

Ritter;s Agent Zelensky part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq-Jab4DUhA
Posted by: deal | Jul 18 2023 19:58 utc | 75

… on YouTube the doc is age restricted. You can find it here on Rumble ….
A Scott Ritter Investigation: Agent Zelensky – Part 2
https://rumble.com/v30nd8w-a-scott-ritter-investigation-agent-zelensky-part-2.html

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jul 18 2023 22:46 utc | 136

b quoted a few bullets from Gady’s piece but not this one which caught my eye:

8.) Russian artillery rationing is real & happening. Ukraine has established fire superiority in tube artillery while Russia retains superiority in MRLSs in the South. Localized fire superiority in some calibers alone does not suffice, however, to break through Russian defenses.

It’s probably time for people to stop mindlessly echoing the “Russia has a 10:1 superiority in artillery” statistic from summer 2022. Ukraine seems to have the edge when it comes to counter-battery fire and they’ve been eroding Russia’s artillery advantage.

Posted by: Mike314159 | Jul 18 2023 22:46 utc | 137

@ nathan in WA US | Jul 18 2023 21:51 utc | 122
here is the translation off the link you provided..
“Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
Access is denied.
You can go to the main page of the site or go back
To unlock, provide information from this page to the administrator at site_support@mil.ru
Error code: 2023-07-18-22-47-50-04778853560F6EDF
IP address: 50.92.214.89, CA
Incident time: 2023-07-18T22:47:50Z
We apologize for the inconvenience.”

Posted by: james | Jul 18 2023 22:49 utc | 138

@ nathan in WA US | Jul 18 2023 21:51 utc | 122
i just replied to you here, but it is in the cue awaiting a pass from bernhard.. hopefully my post shows up by tomorrow right in this area..

Posted by: james | Jul 18 2023 22:50 utc | 139

Mike R | Jul 18 2023 20:36 utc | 95
*** Ukraine just can’t let go of the idea of ‘taking back’ the Donbass and Crimea, because that fantasy of dominance is all they’ve got***
Given enough NATO hardware (and assuming they haven’t been wiped out in the present war) perhaps the Galician supremacists will settle for conquering and enslaving Poland instead.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 18 2023 22:51 utc | 140

Posted by: Mike314159 | Jul 18 2023 22:46 utc | 139
Never knew counter battery fire was regionally differentiated. Far more likely that the Russians have moved more MLRS south because they are more effective in targeting troops in the open terrain, whereas guns are more useful in more urban/dense terrain areas. If the Russians are rationing shells it’s not a good sign for the Ukrainians, as they tend to build up reserves before launching a major assault. Given Ukraine was resorting to using 105mm guns and cluster munitions I very much doubt this information, also if it were true they’d have made better progress than they have. Perhaps in localised areas they have massed more guns, but across the whole of the south I seriously doubt it. Seems to me the, ‘if only we’d had Western planes, we’d have made it’ narrative is beginning to take shape.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 18 2023 23:08 utc | 141

Posted by: Soothsayer | Jul 18 2023 17:41 utc | 17
Um, the Tornado system has been used repeatedly and perhaps 2000 guns are being pulled out of storage to replace those who have well exceeded their barrel lives and have literally shaken themselves to pieces, having fired tens of thousands of rounds .

Posted by: Milites | Jul 18 2023 23:23 utc | 142

Posted by: Mike314159 | Jul 18 2023 22:46 utc | 139
Shouldn’t have wasted my time with any analysis, since I just read this:
‘Franz-Stefan Gady, from the British International Institute for Strategic Studies, has just been in Ukraine where he talked with Ukrainian soldiers and commanders at the frontline.’
The people who have been outright lying since day one of the SMO or pretzeling the truth. Tell us about that amazing counter-offensive in Kherson last year, or how the Russians simultaneously show a callous disregard for their soldiers lives by retreating from defences, rather than fight for every inch of ground like the Ukrainians. Or how the Russians will break and flee at the first sight of your tanks with Balkenkreuz, flying ‘here I am Mr Lancet’ yellow and blue flags. They must have been really upset they didn’t need to drape swastika flags on their engine decks, as their CAS was non-existent.
More on Franz-Stefan Grady
‘Franz-Stefan has advised militaries in Europe and the United States on structural reform and the future of armed conflict. Prior to joining the IISS, he held various positions at the EastWest Institute, the Project on National Security Reform and the National Defense University. He conducted field research in Afghanistan and Iraq, where, among other things, he embedded with the Afghan National Army, NATO forces and Kurdish militias. Franz-Stefan has also reported from a wide range of countries and conflict zones as a journalist.’ As Martynov would say, a consummate bullshit artist who couldn’t lead a platoon, though he could embed with one it seems.
Here’s a sample of his work: https://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/survival-online/2023/04/ukraine-strategy-of-attrition/
Read it and make up your own mind about the authors veracity and propensity to engineer a narrative.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 18 2023 23:46 utc | 143

The narrative that the west won WW2 seemed to work. I believed that for decades. Appeared to work back then; why not now?
Posted by: Alfred Giesbrecht | Jul 18 2023 19:14 utc | 63
Fact? Joke? Sarcasm?
Happy talk narratives, bravado narratives, are all nonsense without actual military success on the ground. After all, for the Nazi High Command, Stalingrad was a great strategic success.
By declaring “winning” via narrative, the West has already conceded a catastrophic loss.
The U.S. dollar? Even without the disaster of stealing Russia’s money, and the clear loss in Ukraine, the USSA, drowning in deficits, divided in all her states, would be seeing a decline in the use and power of the U.S. dollar for trade purposes. Other countries are developing an immunity.
The U.S. is in real decline, the government GDP, Employment, are all politically contrived nonsense.
I am allergic to citing references, not the least of which is when someone uses Google or Wikipedia to gather stuff, I think just raw, unfettered speculation would be superior.

Posted by: kupkee | Jul 18 2023 23:54 utc | 144

“Counterpunch. Still good for something, it seems.
[snip]
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 18 2023 19:06 utc | 60”
— not really. Counterpunch purged CJ Hopkins in 2018.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 18 2023 23:57 utc | 145

US company Draken will train F-16 pilots for UA
https://www.paycomonline.net/v4/ats/web.php/jobs/ViewJobDetails?job=91372&clientkey=C236407623A0DF989D668EE189C1F642
Now Hiring-International Assignment- Location: Romania (paycomonline.net)
Or setting up a private airforce? Flying out of Romania?
From the Ukranian Newspaper
https://zn.ua/ukr/usa/ukrajinskikh-pilotiv-na-f-16-navchatime-privatna-kompanija.html

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jul 18 2023 23:58 utc | 146

“with a another successful attack on the Kerch bridge. Road traffic will be hindered or blocked for two or three months”
Traffic on the bridge already resumed in both directions.
https://t.me/vladimirtupin/32756

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 18 2023 23:58 utc | 147

The Narrative is always wishful thinking.
We have 50 million “winners” come to Las Vegas each year.
Each has a common narrative. “I’m a winner”, “I’m gonna get rich!”
Vegas only exists because of losers and their narratives.
We send 90% of them home as losers with large credit card debts in 30 days.
Zalensky is just another loser and you, the U.S. taxpayers, and the Euro Trash are paying his credit card.
The Lesson: Stick with the truth and live.
Stick with the Narrative and die.
Peace.

Posted by: Brigette | Jul 19 2023 0:04 utc | 148

Per Telegram channels, seems that Odessa is getting trashed pretty good tonight. Large parts of the waterfront area are on fire.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 19 2023 0:36 utc | 149

Today in the comments I learned that people posting in sketchy anime forums are more fascist than actual Nazis, like Himmler. Or Hitler. Or the Azov battalion. Real live Nazis.
Are neo fascists like neo nazis, or different? Are neo fascists just people that disagree with you? What exactly is ‘neo’ about them?
I wonder if there is a level of cognitive dissonance, where reality refuses to conform to the ideology, and the head actually implodes? I think there would have to be significantly more neural activity before this ‘critical mass’ can happen, but hey, it’s a theory.
Like the trembling soldier what struck the blow that felled Serapis’ likeness at Alexandria, epiphany may yet grace the minds of the deeply deluded, even as they seek to convince themselves of their rightness.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 19 2023 0:40 utc | 150

Something I recently read, but did not previously know, is that maritime insurance in a war zone, such as on those vessels entering and departing the Black Sea region with grain shipments, can be canceled by the underwriter with only seven days notice. Even before the collapse of the grain deal, that period was cut to 48 hours. On top of that, the insured vessel is only covered while carrying the cargo. There was an arrangement by a firm or consortium working with the UN to insure cargoes for up to $50 Million, but that was suspended when the grain deal fell apart.
https://www.tradewindsnews.com/insurance/when-war-happens-in-a-flash-marine-insurance-body-cuts-time-frame-for-cancelling-policies/2-1-1181964
Both Zelensky and Kuleba have argued that the world must ‘take risks’, otherwise it will prove it is ‘susceptible to blackmail’, and that ‘a deal without Russia is possible’. They are plainly trying to build support for blockade runners, and to manage the attack against a grain carrier by Russia. What the hell – Ukraine has nothing to lose by stirring things up. This climate is certainly not likely to make insurance rates become more liberal, or cheaper.

Posted by: Mark | Jul 19 2023 0:45 utc | 151

How does Boris Johnson have so much sway over Zelensky?
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 18 2023 17:42 utc | 18
Scott Ritter’s “Agent Zelensky pt 1” video puts forth a plausible explanation for that.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 19 2023 0:49 utc | 152

Some videos for today.
‘No democracy in Ukraine, but US-run totalitarian regime’ – interview with DPR left-wing political figure:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/INT1807:a
Russian tank commander and tank crews discuss their operations:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/video_2023-07-17_22-43-39:9
Russian airborne force’s artillery pound enemy position:
https://rutube.ru/video/c9526d80c82b1a056a81c7121bb270f9/
Russian Ka-52 and Mi-28 destroy enemy military equipment:
https://rutube.ru/video/027e9fbcc37a16245ba87f1548bf02c2/
Russian Lancets destroy more enemy armored vehicles:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/video_2023-07-18_14-01-19:1
Russian Lancet destroyed enemy stronghold:
https://rutube.ru/video/d3043fb508b24c0cf18be4b75ddc07b5/
Russian forces investigate captured enemy trench:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/e23wkxzWkNLhgs1O:7

Posted by: Nate | Jul 19 2023 0:56 utc | 153

@Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 20:14 utc | 81
Imagine not knowing that not half, but the whole world already does that today. In every trade transaction that takes place today the buyer used the currency he wants to use and the seller gets the currency that he wants for the sale.
Not directly. At the moment, the US dollar is a useful intermediary. And that is why the new BRICS currency will be important: it replaces the dollar as an intermediary for a region that will soon have over 50% of global GDP.
As I have said (with only minor changes), ‘Imagine half the world refusing to accept the US dollar as “payment” for their exports. Then the US would have to find some way to earn some BRICS bucks if it wants to buy from more than half the world. The USA would actually have to work for most of the goods it can “buy” now by merely printing dollars. Among the consequences is that the giant US military, no longer supportable by financial shenanigans, will shrink. The empire will diminish.
Make no mistake, the USA will suffer if it loses its exhorbitant priviledge.’

Posted by: Cyril | Jul 19 2023 1:04 utc | 155

@ farm ecologist | Jul 19 2023 0:49 utc | 153
i went to see if part 2 came out yet, and sure enough – its out.. i learned from part 1, so i am now going to watch part 2…
A Scott Ritter Investigation: Agent Zelensky – Part 2

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2023 1:17 utc | 156

“…Since it all too clearly now doesn’t bother the Zionists, ADL, BoD etc.– they keenly support and even sponsor the continuation of its perpetrators — why should it matter a damn to anyone else either?
Cynic@136
And you think that you are a cynic? That attitude suggests something else entirely.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 19 2023 1:24 utc | 157

Posted by: Milites | Jul 18 2023 21:35 utc | 115
Thanks for that post.
Explains the issue in a way I haven’t seen previously.
Explains a lot!

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 19 2023 1:24 utc | 158

farm ecologist @153
Thank you! Will check it out.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 19 2023 1:31 utc | 159

I believe the globalists are winning
see:
“Pro-Russia” does NOT mean anti-globalist. Russia is currently promoting the same Great Reset agenda as the West.
It’s time for alt media to face this reality OffGuardian
Ukraine could become world’s first cashless economy – official
found at nexusnewsfeed

Posted by: billy | Jul 19 2023 1:38 utc | 160

India can supply missiles to Russia – Wion
India is considering entering the Russian market with the supply of its BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.
This was stated by Atul Dinkar Rane, CEO of the Indian company BrahMos Aerospace which produces these missiles.
“Moscow now has no similar counterparts in service. India’s next-generation weapons are superior in performance to Russian anti-ship missiles,” Rane said.
This a bold statement, let’s wait for the comments of Russian military experts
https://t.me/remylind21/5263

Not sure if this is true, that (1) India is considering weapon sales to Russia, or (2) ( … Moscow now has no similar counterparts in service …). It seems to me that even if Russia doesn’t need Indian weapons it might be a good move to purchase a few as it would signal that India is not just passively supportive of Russia, but is willing to openly side with Russia as regards this war, in-spite of the determined attempts of the US to increase relations with India, with I suspect, the hope that they could drive a wedge between India and Russia.
If the US is truly attempting to divide India/Russia then it might be showing a willingness to try a different approach to their earlier attempt to divide Russia and China which backfired spectacularly and resulted in closer co-operation between the two.

Joint Statement from the United States and India – 22nd June 2023
President Biden and Prime Minister Modi committed their administrations to promoting policies and adapting regulations that facilitate greater technology sharing, co-development, and co-production opportunities between U.S. and Indian industry, government, and academic institutions. The leaders welcomed the launch of the interagency-led Strategic Trade Dialogue in June 2023 and directed both sides to undertake regular efforts to address export controls, explore ways of enhancing high technology commerce, and facilitate technology transfer between the two countries.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/06/22/joint-statement-from-the-united-states-and-india/

It could be argued that India is playing both sides against the centre. That might still be true but ultimately India appears to be playing (I would argue, just like China) a long game, and just like China they must know that if Russia were to fall they would be next in line so just like the attempted China/Russia split any attempted India/Russia split will fail.
Additionally India gets to assert their independence of thought and action and they get to signal it the wider world as a serious player on the world stage.
So India sending missiles to Russia would be good for India, good for Russia and would, in my opinion be one in the eye for NATO and the West.

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jul 19 2023 1:56 utc | 161

Lord. Woke comes from Black America where it meant someone who understood how the system was designed and implemented to screw people, especially black people. Someone who was woke had read big books. A woke person was the type who didn’t just accept what the NYT said but came to a place like MoA to find out for themself.
Liberal america adopted it and made a mockery of it. And now conservative america is rebelling against it even though some of them want people to be woke in the original sense.

Posted by: Lex | Jul 19 2023 2:08 utc | 162

“Ukraine could become world’s first cashless economy – official
Posted by: billy | Jul 19 2023 1:38 utc | 161”
— that will apply only to the little people, of course. Border guards will still be tipped in dollars, of course, and the major players will still have their briefcases fill of Bennies and wire transfers to their accounts in the Caymans.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2023 2:16 utc | 163

I watched part I of Scott Ritter’s Agent Zelensky. Really appreciate all the info! It looks to me like Zelensky went to MI6’s Moore to save himself, for protection. Which looks to have come at some kind of price. He’d been run by Kolomoisky and the Ukrainian oligarchs for years. Was he afraid of Biden? Anyway – look forward to watching part 2!

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 19 2023 2:25 utc | 164

A must watch, who is running Zelenski and the entire Ukrainian govt.
After you watch this you hav to ask why russia is not taking out entire Ukr govt.
A Scott Ritter Investigation: Agent Zelensky – Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLeBb6hPUC8

Posted by: billy | Jul 19 2023 2:27 utc | 165

@ billy | Jul 19 2023 2:27 utc | 167 who wrote

After you watch this you hav to ask why russia is not taking out entire Ukr govt.

Because they are taking out the whole Western God Of Mammon mafia and when this is over NATO will not exist either…..think civilization war…..public/private finance social contract issue

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2023 2:39 utc | 166

Sorry but crushing labor unions, purging communists and socialists, and elevating oligarch owned industry to integrate with the government isn’t “LEFT” by any definition and is actually FAR RIGHT.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2023 22:00 utc |
If we see corporate communism for what it is, it is definitely left. Lenin’s original idea.

Posted by: Catilina | Jul 19 2023 2:41 utc | 167

Posted by: Lex | Jul 19 2023 2:08 utc | 164

Lord. Woke comes from Black America where it meant someone who understood how the system was designed and implemented to screw people, especially black people. Someone who was woke had read big books. A woke person was the type who didn’t just accept what the NYT said but came to a place like MoA to find out for themself.

Exactly. This is how I remember Americans using the term when I encountered them overseas about 5-6 years ago. Woke had a positive connotation at some point.
Which is why I suspect the corruption of the meaning is probably a CIA/NSA/Mossad project to flip any usage of language that rebels against the system on it’s head. The Ministry of Truth:
“It’s a beautiful thing, the Destruction of words. Of course the great wastage is in the verbs and adjectives, but there are hundreds of nouns that can be got rid of as well. It isn’t only the synonyms; there are also the antonyms. After all, what justification is there for a word, which is simply the opposite of some other word? A word contains its opposite in itself. Take ‘good’ for instance. If you have a word like ‘good’ what need is there for a word like ‘bad’? ‘Ungood’ will do just as well – better, because it’s an exact opposite, which the other is not. Or again, if you want a stronger version of ‘good’ what sense is there in having a whole string of vague useless words like ‘excellent’ and ‘splendid’ and all the rest of them? ‘Plusgood’ covers the meaning or ‘doubleplusgood’ if you want something stronger still. Of course we use those forms already, but in the final version of Newspeak there’ll be nothing else. In the end the whole notion of goodness and badness will be covered by only six words – in reality, only one word. Don’t you see the beauty of that, Winston? It was B.B.’s idea originally, of course,” he added as an afterthought. (1.5.23, Syme)
It would seem 99% of the posters on MoA, including the host has fallen for this corruption of the term.
That is troubling indeed as it reveals something of their implicit biases and prejudices …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 3:13 utc | 168

There are so many here pro and against Russia/USA-Empire. All have their valid talking points, for sure. But no one talks about how this situation is going to end up frozen like Korea. I think the West/Imperialists will declare a line that will not be-crossed inside Ukraine, they will set up fortifications (probably with the help of MICIMAT engineering firms like Halliburton and others of that fascistic ilk who will make bank) that will make it near-impossible/very-expensive for the Russians/Belorussians to cross…despite the current lack of artillery on the side of the Westerners.
For all the failings of capitalism (and there are plenty, as we all know), when the situation looks like poop-is-gonna-hit-the-fan they will pull their poop together. This will end in a stalemate, which is why this whole thing rhymes with Korea.
No side is willing to go to full nukes, despite how crazy you all think your opponent is.

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 3:17 utc | 169

Open question: who here thinks the SMO moves beyond Ukraine?

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 3:20 utc | 170

The biggest and best way to BREAK this narrative is for Russia to take over the Donbas – the sooner the better – and you can add Kharkov, Sumy & Chernihiv to that to truly SHATTER the narrative engineering.
Artillery barrages along the LOC do nothing to change the narrative.
My assumption is the narrative will be smashed sometime in the lead-up to the US Presidential Election.
For maximum political damage on Biden I guess that would be Summer/Fall 2024.

Posted by: Julian | Jul 19 2023 3:27 utc | 171

Posted by: Soothsayer | Jul 18 2023 17:41 utc | 17
——————————
What this means is that your (Oryx’s) ‘visual confirmations’ and all related propaganda is meaningless even if true.
They don’t change the fact that Russia wins on resources, if indeed the basis of your argument is resourcing alone.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 18 2023 18:42 utc | 47
——————————————————
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 18 2023 18:42 utc | 47
The real numbers of destroyed RU tanks are probably between 1/2 and 1/3 of Oryx numbers, and destroyed AFU tanks are 2-3x of Oryx numbers.
The reason? Simply because Oryx standard operating procedure is to throw in Ukrainian tanks as Russian tanks, and take photographs of Russian tanks from 3 angles, and presenting them as three separate tanks.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 18 2023 20:57 utc | 104
——————————————————–
That should close that discussion for a while.
BTW, Oryx Spioenkop quit. He got tired of being wrong.
I am getting of newby barflies doing lousy homework.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 3:28 utc | 172

In response to

Open question: who here thinks the SMO moves beyond Ukraine?
Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 3:20 utc | 172

Did you just stumble into the bar?
By Russian definition established at the outset the SMO includes, for example, rolling NATO back to 1997 where Poland and Belarus don’t have NATO military. Is that outside Ukraine enough for you?
Have you heard that Ukraine is a proxy war? What does that mean to you? Maybe the SMO is bigger than Ukraine, eh?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2023 3:31 utc | 173

About combined arms operation: the battle of Kursk did not invalidate combined arms operations. In fact the Wehrmacht shouldn´t have started the battle as it didn´t have neither the material nor the manpower in sufficient numbers. Same by the way for todays Ukraine.
What really invalidates combined arms operations is todays TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS. You can´t concentrate troups anymore without the enemy noticing and the accuracy of todays aiming surpasses anything seen any time before.

Posted by: Tom67 | Jul 19 2023 3:37 utc | 174

watcher @ 113
“One thing that seems rarely mentioned much (but B did briefly refer to Germany as a failed state) is that the collapse of Germany as a manufacturing power house seems probable.
Response: German industry has been the continual economic driver for the EU. Cheap Russian energy was key in allowing Germany to accomplish its industrial progress.
Now the cheap Russian energy is gone. Being a member of the EU is going to quickly lose its golden luster.
Posted by: young | Jul 18 2023 21:41 utc | 117
———————————-
BEIJING, Sept 6 (Reuters) – German chemicals group BASF (BASFn.DE) said on Tuesday it has started production at a giant complex in southern China’s Zhanjiang.
The first plant at the site will produce 60,000 tonnes of engineering plastic compounds a year for the automotive and electronics industries, the company said in a statement.
The company expects to invest up to 10 billion euros in the site, which will be its third-largest globally when complete in 2030.
http://www.reuters.com/markets/germanys-basf-starts-production-southern-china-mega-complex-2022-09-06/
BASF said recently that it would raze its German facilities.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 3:45 utc | 175

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 19 2023 3:28 utc | 174

BTW, Oryx Spioenkop quit. He got tired of being wrong.

LOL! That is funny.
“Spioenkop” – I wonder if the identity behind Oryx Spioenkop had a South African connection:

The Battle of Spioen Kop (Dutch: Slag bij Spionkop; Afrikaans: Slag van Spioenkop) was a military engagement between British forces and two Boer Republics, the South African Republic and the Orange Free State, during the campaign by the British to relieve the besieged city Ladysmith during the initial months of the Second Boer War. The battle was fought 23–24 January 1900 on the hilltop of Spioen Kop(1), about 38 km (24 mi) west-southwest of Ladysmith.
It resulted in a Boer victory.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 4:03 utc | 176

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2023 3:31 utc | 175
No, I’ve lurked and embbibed in the bar for quite awhile now, thank you very little. It is self-evident that Ukraine is a proxy war, no disputing that.
I ask the question in earnest, and before you hurl hate on me, I want to say that you make my point exactly. Poland is full-blown NATO now (Belarus obviously not).
The only way you get Poland to quit is to threaten destruction/invasion. Now, who here seriously believes that could be pulled off given the current circumstances? Had Poland not been NATO, on the other hand, then there would be plausible room for speculation based on reality.
Which goes back to my previous point: unless either side has someone crazy like Dougie Macarthur — someone willing to blow shit up (in a phrase) — this whole thing ends as a frozen conflict.
Of course, “de-dollarization” will continue apace. But the massive collapse of the West, some here hope/pray for, won’t happen as easily as some expect.

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 4:04 utc | 177

Arch Bungle | Jul 19 2023 3:13 utc | 170–
I pointed that out 2+ years ago. What we have now is Wokism that’s not at all the same.
////////////////////////////////
I see Trump is demanding a Europe already bankrupted by obeying the Outlaw US Empire’s diktats pay for all the junk weapons taken from Imperial stocks and sent to Ukraine. Be sure to put your beverage down before reading further. RT reports:
“Trump wants EU to pay for US arms in Ukraine: The former president has claimed that if elected again, he would demand that allies fund replenishment of the Pentagon’s stockpiles.”

He claimed that his successor, President Joe Biden, “foolishly squandered” the strong military position that he built up after taking office in 2017.
“I will ask Europe to reimburse us for the cost of rebuilding the stockpiles sent to Ukraine, which they should be doing now, but Joe Biden is too weak and too disrespected to even ask,” Trump said. He added that while Washington sent or promised nearly $200 billion in aid to Kiev, European allies gave only a “tiny fraction.”…
“These actions reveal just what an insanely dangerous situation Biden and the demented warmongers have led us into,” Trump said. “Less than three years ago, I’d fully rebuilt the United States military and steered America into such a strong global position that peace was breaking out all over the world. We had peace through strength.”

That last bit is a massive howler. I hope barflies heeded my warning and parked their glass.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 4:06 utc | 178

Of course, “de-dollarization” will continue apace. But the massive collapse of the West, some here hope/pray for, won’t happen as easily as some expect.
Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 4:04 utc | 179
Rhine froze AD 406. The last West Roman emperor was deposited AD 476, three generations later. I doubt that anyone noticed anything special happening in AD 476.

Posted by: Catilina | Jul 19 2023 4:09 utc | 179

By Russian definition established at the outset the SMO includes, for example, rolling NATO back to 1997 where Poland and Belarus don’t have NATO military. Is that outside Ukraine enough for you?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2023 3:31 utc | 175

Perhaps, but even though Russia is “winning”, it is costing the country a lot of men.
I am guessing that Russia would rather dissolve NATO by cutting deals with countries to save their economies in exchange for leaving Europe rather than continue and expand a long term war which would probably become increasingly difficult for Russia to maintain. I could be wrong, of course–this is just purely armchair speculation.
It’d be interesting if Sweden and Finland remain in NATO for less than a few years, though 🙂

Posted by: Comacho In Chief | Jul 19 2023 4:09 utc | 180

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 3:17 utc | 171
Yes you have posted a serious position Crazy, but I think it would not be a stable or long term solution.
The core issue is security guarantee for Russia ie no nukes or nuke capable infrastructure/planes etc too close to Russian cities or key facilities.
A Korean split would NOT achieve this, so Russia would only accept it if it has no other choice. If it did so in effect it will have lost and within 10 years it would be rinse and repeat. The Korean solution has ONLY remained because both sides have nuclear facilities and NK is backed by both Russia and China.
Russia clearly expects to meet NATO head on or at least some of its members. If I was brutally honest with myself I expect that this war will only end with the crushing of Poland, the three Baltic states and quite possibly the UK. The three Baltics are way, way too close to Russia and too insanely hostile to be left alone, and much the same applies to Poland. I am sorry for being so pessimistic about it, but with every dragging month it becomes more and more the only way forward. I would expect that other bordering states – Bulgaria, Georgia and even Finland would rapidly back out and return to neutrality.
The really scary thing would be nukes in Ukraine or Poland or the Baltics, because these would surely use them and start the nuclear holocaust.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 19 2023 4:23 utc | 181

Sorry if this seems redundant, b. I have a few observations on the links I was recommending earlier, having spent the afternoon revisiting them. For ease of reference, I will just post the original message from Browser, as it appeared on the last open forum page:

Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2023 17:47 utc | 6
On another subject: does anyone remember the link to that excellent looking video about the subjection of Sweden to imperialism? I need to pass it on.
Maybe you mean these ones:
Sweden’s journey to NATO, Part 1: ‘Destabilising a Decent Country’ (60 min)
https://youtu.be/watch?v=f3dVGm-NFTs
Sweden’s journey into NATO part 2: The trap (30 min)
https://youtu.be/watch?v=Wnvj7JfnoUo
Posted by: Browser | Jul 17 2023 20:04 utc | 19

[I need to thank james for referring to the above post lower on the thread – I would have missed it otherwise. And finally, Browser: thank you very much!]
My first thought tonight is that these two links belong on this thread as historical precedents as they flesh out the rise and fall of the Swedish ‘shining moment’ following after the Kennedy era. I remember we were discussing the ‘Russian subs in Swedish waters’ situation a long while back — these videos put that in context as discussed by Swedish participants in the narrative. It is nothing if not gripping; carefully presented; much I didn’t know.
Secondly, I was startled that –as karlof1 has been pointing out in tracing US history, how we got where we are now — to a similar degree of anguish, Sweden has been following the same path. We began to wonder about Sweden as the Nordstream pipelines were blown. Also, of course, somewhat before that, with the pending entry to Nato.
Now I shall reread b’s powerful reality message here. So much to think about. I stand in awe.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 19 2023 4:24 utc | 182

CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 3:20 utc | 172–
In some respects, the SMO has gone well beyond Ukraine as I’ve reported at my substack and just above @180. But you want to know if combat will move outside Ukraine, Yes? Well, it has already–witness the action over the Black Sea and the use of the now kaput “grain corridor” to launch attacks. NATO flies from bases outside Ukraine to provide it with data that’s used in combat which are acts of war that Russia has only replied to once so far. Sea mines released by Ukraine are floating who knows where in the Black Sea well beyond Ukrainian and Russian waters. NATO and Ukraine are actively trying to overthrow the Moldovan government and enlist it in the conflict. Acts of terror are committed daily within Russia by Ukie forces.
All that says the SMO has moved beyond its initially planned area. But major combat actions have yet to occur in other nations–yet. And that’s really up to NATO, which says it doesn’t want a direct–real–war with Russia. Last year about now, my analysis was NATO/Outlaw US Empire had painted itself into a corner and that hasn’t changed. NATO’s faced with a different type of existential issue than Russia–it’s merely an organization whose death won’t affect anyone whereas Russia’s death means the death of most Russians: NATO’s death isn’t Genocidal; Russia’s is. Hopefully, NATO people understand that very important difference.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 4:31 utc | 183

Well, I just finished reading through this entire thread, so far. After a complete review of the great Duran site, a few REDACtED videos, and the armchair mercenary ZH. So far, nobody has the slightest clue about how the real game (especially the war narrative game) works; I am the only one. I deeply regret that I am now so exhausted that I cannot adequately explain the actual reality behind all of this. One tiny clue: Narratives are always ephemeral, and can always completely metamorphose in less than the blink of an eye. I must get some sleep now but will explain it all tomorrow. Thanks so much for your patience!

Posted by: blues | Jul 19 2023 4:36 utc | 184

I disagree with this

Of course, “de-dollarization” will continue apace. But the massive collapse of the West, some here hope/pray for, won’t happen as easily as some expect.
Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 4:04 utc | 179

I don’t pray but hope and believe that Western “collapse” (economic + dollar) will happen this year, mostly as follow on from BRICS+ intro of alternative system of global finance. Will that alternative be perfect coming out of the gate? No, but its intention and support by sovereign nations will make it happen.
I think that opinions, such as your, that this multi-proxy civilization war we are in will not reach climax soon, is paid for or lacking the bigger picture view of our world. It will not become another Korea.
I have been watching this shit show of Western “civilization” for over 50 years and the China/Russia axis have made it quite clear that unipolar global finance is dead and totally sovereign finance is ascendant in our world….its called evolution

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2023 4:40 utc | 185

Rhine froze AD 406. The last West Roman emperor was deposited AD 476, three generations later. I doubt that anyone noticed anything special happening in AD 476.
Posted by: Catilina | Jul 19 2023 4:09 utc | 181
Yes, true. But what makes you think that the same must happen (despite our collective hopes) here? The Western Empire’s tax base rapidly went into decline in the late 380’s and onward. Loss of faith in the system followed and, despite that, things yet held on for another 70 years until it reached a point that the whole charade was undeniably an utter joke to all who could see and understand what the score was.
Times are different, technological tools are more insidiuos today, people’s perceptions are far more easily shaped, possibly meaning that human action is far more controlled. To project similar “global shift” timescales today as they were in Rome, might be a foolish exercise, at least in my opinion (and in the opinion of several independent academics who work on the problem), but, nonetheless, not wildly unlikely also.

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 4:45 utc | 186

CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 3:17 utc | 171–
Sorry, I missed this comment of yours.
Russia’s top tier of leaders have all said there will be no frozen conflict like that arranged for the Minsk lies. The current Ukie government will be eliminated. And it’s most likely the artificial construction called Ukraine will cease to exist. There’s an important component to the entire operation a few have commented upon including myself, and that’s the denazification goal. That doesn’t just apply to Ukraine, but to the world as was set forth in the agreements at the end of WW2. As most know, the Outlaw US Empire, UK and a few other allied nations kept Nazism alive contrary to what they pledged to do. Russian leadership hasn’t mentioned it more than a few times, but it has. When one looks closely at the SCO’s stated goals, eliminating extremism and the terrorism connected to it is fundamental–Nazism is extremist and terroristic. There are other international declarations that include similar language. Only those of us who read those documents know what they say, which is why I try to get people to read them.
Bottom line, the conflict is international and will take years to resolve. But then, the main struggle underlying it all has continued for 4,000+ years, ebbing and flowing but never frozen.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 4:52 utc | 187

The infantile ‘cope’ argument is a variation of Reductio ad Hitlerum, a type of association fallacy. Sad and inadequate.

Posted by: BillB | Jul 19 2023 4:53 utc | 188

“In the first year of the second world war the German Wehrmacht used combined arms warfare to wage its blitzkrieg against inferior adversaries. The tactic failed two years later when it tried to break through solid Soviet defense lines.
In the battle of 73 Easting the U.S. army could repeat blitzkrieg tactics because he had air superiority, well trained troops and better weapons. But the circumstance in Ukraine can not be compared to a mobile war in the desert.”
B, may I respectfully disagree with you on this. Please consider the following proposed amendments:
In the first six months of the war, the German Wehrmacht used combined arms warfare to wage its blitzkrieg against adversaries who were not organised in systematically prepared defenses with obstacles, minefields and fortifications. The tactic failed two years later when it tried to break through solid Soviet defense lines.
In the battle of 73 Easting the U.S. army could repeat blitzkrieg tactics because he had air superiority, well trained troops and better weapons, and the enemy was not organised in systematicallY prepared continuous defenses in depth with obstacles, minefields and fortifications. But the circumstance in Ukraine can not be compared to a mobile war in the desert.”
——————————————————
It ought to be noted that the “inventors” (its novelty is disputed, but saying it was something new and unprecedented is a great excuse for the losers) of blitzkrieg, chose to attack through the weakly defended Ardennes forest, rather than directly assault the heavily fortified Maginot Line.
Four and a half years later, the Allies had great difficulty breaching the Westwall/Siegfried Line. It was a bloody slog, led by infantry supported by engineers, armour, artillery and air, in every way a combined arms operation. But combined arms operations assaulting prepared defenses in depth loook very different from combined operations in manouevre operations. Nevertheless, even with huge Allied air and artillery superiority, it still took months and up to 140,000 US casualties, plus thousands of British, Canadian and French.
Systematically prepared defenses in depth with obstacles, minefields and fortifications are a large force-multiplier for the defenders.
Throughout history, the preferred option for dealing with such defenses is to bypass them, as the Nazis did to the Maginot Line by attacking through the Ardennes.
Otherwise, such prepared defenses must be taken by direct assault. Given the force-multiplier gained by the defenders, the force ratio required for the attacker increases from the normal rule of thumb 3:1 to at least 9:1 in the area of the assault.
Massive artillery superiority is required to, including but not limited to the following:
=> Maintain smoke and obscurant cover over obstacle and minefield breaching operations
=> Suppress and/or destroy enemy observation and defensive positions overlooking the path of attack
=> Effective counter battery fire to minimise disruption of breaching operations
=> Interdiction of command posts, logistics, manpower and equipment concentrations.
By stripping other fronts of artillery, Ukraine could perhaps generate the necessary artillery superiority locally to enable a breach of Russian defenses.
However, this would:
=> Immediately create huge vulnerabilities on those other fronts
=> The artillery would be vulnerable to Russian air and missile strikes, and long range MLRS systems such as Smerch
=> Russia has sufficient reserves and air superiority to be able to move forces to contain, isolate and destroy any breakthrough forces.
In the almost 80 years since the assault on the Westwalll, neither the US nor any other Western army has had to conduct a similar operation.
In Korea, when the front stabilised and each side established defenses in depth in 1951, the fighting for the rest of the war was about taking of defending this hill or that, there was no attempt whatsoever to assault and breach Chinese defenses.
So far as I can tell, there were only 2 wars since WW2 that involved assaults on defences prepared in depth.
=> Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988.
=> Ethiopia-Eitrea War, 1998-2000
Ihe Iranians repeatedly failed to breakthrough, suffered massive casualties.
The Ethiopians did breakthrough, but also suffered very high casualties.
Presumably there are lessons to be learned from these wars about assaulting prepared defenses, but has anyone bothered? I am going to assume not because they were not Western countries and therefore there was likely an arrogant assumption by Western militaries that they had nothing to learn from them.

Posted by: ltexpat | Jul 19 2023 4:54 utc | 189

Clearly, the point of the “Ukraine is winning” propaganda was to get popular support (for military spending). The flipside of that was: “Putin evil” – to get support for regime change in Moscow. The latter will not happen in any way that it was hoped for. Mainly because the “Russian economy is failing” is really not happening.

Posted by: pepa65 | Jul 19 2023 4:56 utc | 190

@ karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 4:06 utc | 180 with the howler from Trump…..LOL!!! Thanks
Trump is Hollywood just like Z and we are all suppose to be entertained and swoon at the words.
Ain’t going to be no Hollywood ending to the SMO in Ukraine except in the future as history is portrayed by the winners using cinema.
The best to you with your surgery on Thursday Karl. I expect the SMO to still be underway when you return to the bar….grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2023 4:59 utc | 191

I don’t pray but hope and believe that Western “collapse” (economic + dollar) will happen this year, mostly as follow on from BRICS+ intro of alternative system of global finance.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2023 4:40 utc | 187
I don’t think there is any doubt that an alternative is called for. A unipolar configuration always calls for revolution/eruption/resistance…it’s the nature of the human spirit, would’nt you agree?
But I have yet to see a long-lasting example of a *stable* multi-polar global/world political/financial order, do you know of one? Maybe one is on the horizon, so who is to say that humans cannot evolve? But our own limited historical context, constructed around European history, shows that multi-polar geopolitical orders are inherently unstable — especially when there is communication and cultural exchange amongst them.
Maybe the way around all of this is to cut off knowledge of the each other’s world and lifestyle?
But maybe the whiskey is slamming me a bit aggressively too.
All you have to do is to listen to Ozzy, and all will make sense.

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:01 utc | 192

Bottom line, the conflict is international and will take years to resolve. But then, the main struggle underlying it all has continued for 4,000+ years, ebbing and flowing but never frozen.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 4:52 utc | 189
This is, without a doubt, a truism that few can dismiss. Like geological processes, some relent on timescales far shorter than others. Whether they be seismic shifts or inexorable erosion, all lines of stress become reconfigured.
My point is that there are far more variables at play — those that few of us despite our earnest attempts to understand them and rationalize — that even the most thoughtful and committed thinkers amongst us can hope to ingest and foresee their possible implications.
That doesn’t stop us from trying, of course, with the help of the whiskey. I prefer Old-Fashioneds…
Just saying.

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:10 utc | 193

psychohistorian | Jul 19 2023 4:59 utc | 193–
Thanks for your reply! They ought to release me on Saturday. I should have a sermon ready for Sunday and something to chew on tomorrow. Escobar went mythical in his Vilnius critique, corrupted by his current location’s scenery and its ghosts it seems.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 5:16 utc | 194

Follow on to ltexpat 191
As I noted in comment 191, combined operations to assault prepared defenses are very different from combined operation in maneuver warfare.
Since 1945, US/NATO has been organised and trained for maneuver warfare almost exclusively: slow or stop the Soviets in Germany until reinforcements arrive from the US, and if that didn’t work, nuke every Soviet between the Rhine and the Vistula, and perhaps beyond.
Combined arms maneuver warfare does occasionally required assaults on prepared positions. But these would be counter-attacks against opposing forces that would have had at most a week of so to prepare their defenses. Such assaults would be far more limited in scope than is now required in Ukraine.
The Warsaw Pact did not construct prepared defenses and fortifications along its Western borders. Therefore, US/NATO planning, training, equipment procurement and organising to enable assaults on prepared defenses had an exceedingly low priority, if it was planned for at all in any way more than purely academic.
Bottom line:
I think the NATO planners of this offensive are clueless ignorami.
I believe they have cluelessly extrapolated what they know about assaulting a divisional level of defenses prepared quickly during a temporary halt within a mobile campaign far beyond its practicable limits and applied identical unmodified concepts to the very different and much more difficult task of assaulting defenses in depth constructed over many months.

Posted by: ltexpat | Jul 19 2023 5:34 utc | 195

“I reckon that the goal of USA+NATO propaganda is not to win the war on the ground as our blogger “b” seems to imagine, but to make it last as long as possible ”
Or, to make it last until the 2024 election is over.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 19 2023 5:38 utc | 196

By the way, just because all of those human-induced climate change is just “hoohey” bug the hell out of me (I speak of Phil R and Norwegian in particular):
Anthropegenic climate change is just “bad science” types, let me give you some new mind-bending facts for ya
66C heat index is just bonkers. But, nope, it ain’t our fault….

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:40 utc | 197

Young @ 103
What surprised me in the video was how the surprised the mercs seemed to be that they were actually in a war!
Like, they somehow didn’t expect to get shot at, or maybe for some of their comrades to die. Or maybe for them to die.
What in hell did they expect, signing up for war?
Poor guys, need a nice safe house to get away from it all.
Oh, then you pack your bags take the train or the bus home when you have had enough.
Too bad they are covered with the ridiculous tattoos showing their apparent idea that they were in a video game. They will marked all of their lives.
Sorry, hard for me to take those guys, or their New Zelander-run safe house seriously.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 19 2023 5:45 utc | 198

Escobar went mythical in his Vilnius critique, corrupted by his current location’s scenery and its ghosts it seems.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2023 5:16 utc | 196

Probably listening to their distant echoes. 😀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGwPSPIhohk

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 19 2023 5:48 utc | 199

So Seymour is ‘suggesting’ that RFK-jr and Trump gonna run together on the 24 ticket. Sounds like mind-meddling b.s. to me, but quite possibly viable as a strategy.
I am too naive to think that such cunning tactics are at play. What do others think here, or is this really utter-b.s. propaganda meant to seduce?

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Jul 19 2023 5:53 utc | 200