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July 10, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: ‘Mosquito’ Tactics – S-200 Land Attacks

The U.S./NATO doctrine, as it had been taught to the Ukrainian units that were prepared for the counter-offensive, has failed.

As a comment allegedly made on a forum of veterans of the West Point Academy describes it:

Classic attacks under our combat regulations involve the preliminary suppression and destruction of enemy defensive positions by artillery and aircraft, as well as the simultaneous destruction of its combat controls to the depth of the defense zone and the prevention of the approaches of its reserves. Since Ukrainians have almost no aviation and they are significantly inferior to the Russians in the amount of artillery, classic attacks lead to nothing but a massive loss of expensive military equipment on the way to Russian positions, disorganization and demoralization of attackers with subsequent retreat. Almost three weeks of such attacks could not break through the Russian support band, in addition, as I was told by the G-3 from USAR EUR-AF in Stuttgart, they lost up to a quarter of our Bradleys, and they are now forced to urgently send two companies of Bradleys and a large quantity of other equipment to replenish and restore the combat readiness of two brigades of the Ukrainian strike unit.

When I was in officer school, pre-1991, NATO was less dependent on air-superiority than it is today. We also had some good air defense systems. Our artillery was not superior to the Soviet one but was well layered – from short, medium to long ranged systems – and would have created very significant damages. We also had good pioneer equipment that allowed for the crossing rivers and ditches as well as serious mine fields.

All this changed after the 1991 Gulf war in which U.S. air superiority and tank fist destroyed the Iraqi defense forces. That war was misconstrued as a big win when it in fact was simply the effect of a by far superior professional force over a unmotivated conscript army with old and often defunct weapons.

As an effect of the first Gulf war and later operations in Serbia, Afghanistan and again in Iraq the believe in NATO air-land doctrine was reinforced. Air superiority was the holy grail while the strong land force capabilities atrophied. An emphasis on guerilla suppression and on vehicles that could withstand simple improvised explosive devices (IEDs) in Iraq and Afghanistan further unbalanced the force.

It explains why the Ukrainian troops were miss-trained and miss-equipped for a counter-offensive even when the opposing force was a much harder to crack one than some goat herders from Helmand, Afghanistan.

The Ukrainian combined-arms-warfare units, without air-support and little artillery, were defeated. Western mining equipment failed to clear real 20 kilogram anti-tank mines from the heavy Ukrainian grounds. Armored Ukrainian troops were destroyed in mine fields (video) well before they could reach their targets.

Seeing that the tank heavy concept was failing the Ukrainians switched to a much older and more bloody technic:

In these conditions, our guys, together with Ukrainian commanders, developed tactics of “mosquito” promotion: continuous attacks of Russian positions by small tactical groups of Ukrainian infantry. The Russians, who are much more sensitive to losses in manpower, try to prevent close (“contact”) battles and retreat when Ukrainians reach their trenches, allowing artillery to destroy the enemy. This usually succeeds: Ukrainians die or retreat. But this tactic has a positive effect. Several such attacks almost completely destroy the Russian position, most often with their own fire, after which the Russians are forced to retreat to a new line, where this tactic is repeated. That’s how in two weeks the Russians were pushed back three miles from Makarov’s strategically important position. And this tactic is constantly improving. Our side believe that, at the continuing pace of such progress, in two weeks Ukrainians will be able to overcome the Russian support band and start storming their main line of defense, while maintaining the offensive potential of their strongest brigades. Perhaps that’s what General Milley meant yesterday about the ten weeks of the Ukrainian offensive.

This tactical technique has another important effect. Russians are forced to spend more artillery shells to repel such “mosquito” attacks, the stocks of which they replenish more slowly than they spend. And in two weeks of such battles, they may well approach the depletion of their stocks. Of course, this leads to great losses of Ukrainians but, as I said at the beginning, they are not sensitive to the death of their soldiers. In addition, advances however small are a better justification for their death than unsuccessful attacks. And here, we must admit that the Russians today are much closer to the armies of Western countries than the Ukrainians are in this respect: the Russians take care of their soldiers …

The "mosquito" technic replaces losses in armored vehicles will more heavy losses of infantry. The 128th Mountain Assault Brigade, which had led the fight on the western part of the Zaporozhia front, has just been pull back from the front line because it had lost too many of its soldiers.

After the Russian lost a few trenches to storming Ukrainian troops that did not care for their own losses they modified their own tactic. Its troops still leave the forward trenches when under pressure but they now booby-trap those before taking off. These videos show how Ukrainian troops jump into an empty Russian trench only to be blown up by several small explosions. The Russian's need no artillery to do that. The trenches are kept intact but for a number Ukrainian corpses that can easily be moved aside.

A few days ago the Austrian Colonel Markus Reisner said in an interview (in German) that Ukraine had deployed all but four of its twelve reserve brigades that were supposed to be the armored counter-offensive fist that would defeat Russian defenses. Since than the 116th, 117th, and 118th Mechanized Brigades, part of last reserve, have been deployed near the Zaparozhia front. They will replace the 128th and other units that were mostly destroyed while gaining only a few kilometer in the sparsely inhabited countryside. Half of Milley's ten weeks of counter-offensive operations have passed with no relevant gains for the Ukrainian side. The next five weeks will likely destroy the rest of the battle ready Ukrainian forces.

Another change has been made in long range fire capabilities on the Ukrainian side. Yesterday it launched several S-200 missiles against the Kerch bridge and other Russian targets. The Russian side says that all these attacks were defeated by its air-defense forces.

The S-200 is an air-defense missile first deployed in the mid 1960s. Unlike the Nike-Hercules and S-300 it does not have inherent land attack capabilities. Its original targeting system is unable to steer it towards certain points on the map:

The missile uses radio illumination mid-course correction to fly towards the target with a terminal semi-active radar homing phase.

The Ukrainians, likely with some foreign help, must have developed and tested a completely new targeting system to give the S-200 some land attack capability. Its maximum range of about 300 kilometer is sufficient to attack strategic targets on the Russian side. But even standard Russian air-defenses have no problem with it.

That this was even tried, shows again the hybris of western military thinking. Like 80 years ago there is still a believe that Russia is, economically and militarily, incapable of defending itself. Please read Conor Gallagher's latest piece on this:

Underestimate Russia at Your Own Risk: A Comparison of Hubris by Germany During WWII and Today’s Collective West

NATO's doctrine is still depending on air-superiority. It lacks infantry and good tanks. It constantly underestimates Russian capabilities.

How would the real fight look if it had to overcome the superior Russian air-defenses while depending itself on system like the very expensive Patriot with a poor record of hitting anything but its own forces?

Comments

“Yet, the Western systems were designed and intended to work with that air superiority. It is a design assumption. Things just won’t work without that; they were never intended to work without that, not the equipment and not the tactics meant for that equipment.”
Posted by: Mark Thomason | Jul 10 2023 21:12 utc | 99
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Tell that to John McCain. The Viet Min and the Viet Con fought the US and the French with little airpower and won. Millions died on both sides, but the US war against the people of Vietnam if ONLY the US would have honored the agreement between the outgoing French and the Vietnamese people after the battle of Dien Bien Phu that defeated the French. In 1954 the Geneva Accords were agreed to which called for a temporary partition of Vietnam at the 17th Parallel—creating a Communist state in the North and a French-backed non-Communist state in the South. The agreement called for an election to reunify the two zones in 1956. The US reneged because the CIA determined that Ho Chi Minh would win in a landslide, and the rest is history.
This reminds me of first, the Minsk accords, but also how Biden refused to discuss any kind of security agreements with President Putin before the SMO.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 10 2023 22:19 utc | 101

like the Cuban population in Florida and become a powerful, determining, fascist power block in UK and European politics for the next century?
Huh?? Cubans are anti-fascist, a reliable block against the liberal globalist elite in the USA. Also, the EU seems to be going full fascist without need for their Ukrainian brothers (except for the meat grinder, of course).

Posted by: JT | Jul 10 2023 22:31 utc | 102

Who will be the first one to try to cope-splain all about how Putin plays 47-Dimensional baccarat with great Patience™, now that Sweden is in NATO?
As I said, not a wartime consigliere.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Jul 10 2023 22:35 utc | 103

Who will be the first one to try to cope-splain all about how Putin plays 47-Dimensional baccarat with great Patience™, now that Sweden is in NATO?
As I said, not a wartime consigliere.
Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Jul 10 2023 22:35 utc | 128
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Perhaps you should apply for Putin’s job?

Posted by: Ed | Jul 10 2023 22:41 utc | 104

@Exile | Jul 10 2023 17:18 utc | 35
I think that the German Storm units went in after the relevant section of the Allied trench had been destroyed by a massive artillery barrage. Also, the section of trench targeted for the blitzkrieg was chosen because it was not fully manned.

Posted by: cirsium | Jul 10 2023 22:43 utc | 105

Posted by: AG | Jul 10 2023 19:43 utc | 62

Why would Rheinmetall believe Russia would let that happen?
What is this? PR? Provocation?

Baykar too. ( the Turks and the Germans often have the same premonitions )

For me it sounds that both sides ( US Russian ) have a deal and the war is over.
( for us not now over – but the big guys know the end and the have a date for this end )
If i m right, all this bullshit, in the last 2 weeks, made sens.
* Azov can come back
* all deals between Prigo’s firms and the Russian Army can stop – this are many deals – this sure happend alread.
* in Russia and Ukrain are summer holidays from 26 Jun till 1 Sept.
* Medwedew is back since 2 weeks, now he want everything nuke again – what a cheap show. He have been 1 or 2 months out of the show (not to disturb the final deal )
* Putin is since 3 weeks back ( with a very good mood ) in this time the boss of 55.000 Solders and the Shogun have since 2 months big problems. Putin have say nothing all the time and come back in the public show with a very good mood …
* Putin play again the punishers of Oligarchy – today we hear Prigo feel so sad full of remorse and very punished, may Putin accept him as a Russian again — we will see how the show will end.
* Gerasimow is full energy back – he get maybe the playbook for the final victory
and and and
I would say Sept, the big guys let us celebrate the end of this show
I m sure in the next days we get more signs
( i miss signs from Bidens side )

Posted by: theo | Jul 10 2023 22:44 utc | 106

Ed | Jul 10 2023 22:19 utc | 122
air dominance is usaf job security, and huge money for boeing and lockheed!
in ww ii, us/allies did not achieve air dominance in north africa/italy until fall 1944, and in north europe in jun 1944 (bc they sent fighters and bombers out of the british isles).
in kursk the soviets did not have a scrap of air dominance.
air dominance is for western armies too highly paid to allow large casualties!
in ukranazis attacks on russian donbas, the ukranazis are deficient in all military potential but meat for the slaughter!
including unsuitability of western wunderwaffen.

Posted by: paddy | Jul 10 2023 22:44 utc | 107

Intelligent Dasein | Jul 10 2023 22:35 utc | 128
i love swedes!
their navy is so good they missed who blew ns1!
or maybe keeping their secret is how they get in the usa ‘club’.
how much meat do the swedes add to usa’s tool box?

Posted by: paddy | Jul 10 2023 22:47 utc | 108

Schrödinger’s Russia: simultaneously so uncaring of its soldiers lives that it sends then into human wave assaults, and so reluctant to lose soldiers that it abandons its own trenches in order to shell them.
Then there’s this:
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/54140
This isn’t even a Freudian slip, it’s a Freudian falling into a sinkhole.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 10 2023 23:14 utc | 109

TM @ 24
Even China? Meanwhile, there is a serious stink of liberal hypocrisy when Russia and not the U.S. is tagged as the perpetrator of the war. If a bully provokes a war, shouldn’t you start by condemning the bully? Instead of blaming the victim?
RESPONSE: Good analysis and conclusion at your number 24 post!

Posted by: young | Jul 10 2023 23:19 utc | 110

What after cluster munitions?
Next they’ll send tactical nuclear weapons that Ukranazistan “will only use carefully on its own territory” and which NATO “will help with cleaning up radiation when the war is over”.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 10 2023 23:20 utc | 111

#86 Appolyon…this is not real Biden …but actor with mask ..real Biden died shortly after his”inauguration”..check his pictures past 8 yrs….yes he is playing partially “demented”person…

Posted by: sejmon | Jul 10 2023 23:25 utc | 112

JustTruth @ 33
USA/NATO/Ukraine heading directly to oblivion at terminal speed. They have collectively pushed their own self-destruct button. Every passing day further confirms this conclusion.
RESPONSE: Agree with your conclusion! The existence of “oblivion” will become even more apparent after the NATO Vilnius Summit is over July 12th.

Posted by: young | Jul 10 2023 23:25 utc | 113

Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Jul 10 2023 19:23 utc | 59
Just in time manufacturing plus the end of the cold war along with long low level wars for the last three decades. All the lines for mass production closed leaving just enough capacity to cottage build the number of rounds needed for training plus the artillery support of an occupying army.

Posted by: badjoke | Jul 10 2023 23:35 utc | 114

Lightyearsfrom Home @42
Not to mention, like the Ukrainians in Canada.
Strong Ukrainian fifth columns in both the UK and Canada is not a good thing.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 10 2023 23:41 utc | 115

bevin #121
Thank you, perfectly well said.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2023 23:49 utc | 116

Ed #122
Perhaps the USA can never forgive the French for giving away losing Vietnam especially Dien bien phu.
The USA would never do anything as stupid :/
That is why France is being coloured black these days.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2023 23:54 utc | 117

Even Simplicius is coming round to the idea that the Ukrainians may not last until the end of the year. The cluster-bombs and S-200s are symptoms of the West’s inability/unwillingness to supply Ukraine with everything it needs to fight a Russian MIC which can both destroy massive amounts of Ukrainian men, equipment and material on a daily basis and provide an ever increasing level of supplies to the Russian soldiers on the front line. The result is a rapidly dwindling pool of available military-age men in Ukrainian controlled areas.
All I see with the latest updates from military summary, weeb etc., is a few Ukrainian successes played up for all the media benefit possible combined with ongoing Ukrainian massive losses on all parts of the front and some Russian counter-offensive moves to take back important defensive locations.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 11 2023 0:07 utc | 118

Apollyon @86
What I notice, too, in that video clip is the way he holds his hands—not relazed but both hands in an odd, stiff, unnatural position. He does not appear to be able to make eye contact or respond naturally to the situation of reviewing these troops.
It really is a zombie-like “nursing home shuffle.”
Maybe he is on some meds to prevent him from making some sudden weird, inappropriate comment, and the effect is to create this robot-like apparition who doesn’t appear to know where he is.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 11 2023 0:12 utc | 119

When the history of the Russian Ukraine sloSMO is written….
A dispassionate observer will be compelled to include a chapter on the impact of NAFO in creating a narrative so powerful it overwhelmed all military seniority and centuries of warfare “science”.
Leopard tanks, FEBA-shy Challengers, Bradley’s and other ordinance completely inappropriate for this conflict are in use 100% due to NAFO twitter cacophony.
The dog, straining so hard on its leash, its owner is pulled along, not in control.
Many months ago, back when I had more respect for Macgregor, he said one of his fears, as the conflict showed signs of dragging on, even though it was apparent even in Jan-Feb-March of this year, that Ukraine could not prevail against a now fully committed Russia… Macgregor said his big fear was the escalation would continue as the pressure was “do something”⤴️.
Even if the “something” was dumb, ineffective and even stupid.
And here we are.
Do something = Leopards + IFV not ever intended for this application
And now cluster bombs.
Despite being evil due to their devastation of civilians/children … the cluster bombs are not even able to assist Ukraine.
Tony Shaffer gives an account of a person close encounter with an unexplored cluster bomb in Afghanistan…
Ukraine’s use of cluster bombs is very likely to result in Ukrainian deaths.
> onward…. TO THE LAST UKRAINIAN ☠️

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 11 2023 0:15 utc | 120

Roger @ 146
All I see with the latest updates from military summary, weeb etc., is a few Ukrainian successes played up for all the media benefit possible combined with ongoing Ukrainian massive losses on all parts of the front and some Russian counter-offensive moves to take back important defensive locations.
RESPONSE: Good conclusion of the actualy lack of progress on the ground by the Army Forces of Ukraine (AFU)! I have cut way back on listening to Weeb and Military Summary and 4 others. Just too much time to monitor too little change. I like Weeb Union best simply because he led the way to cut his zero line reporting time way down compared to the others. Now the others are following his good lead.
The recent Ukrainian offensive pretty much only held the current zero lines. When their offensive is spent, the Russians should not have much trouble advancing in a significant way.
Whether they do or do not adance will be determined when the AFU at the zero lines is neutralized.
Perhaps another event such as NATO directly attacking Russia will change the narrative completely and distract the Russians from further advance in Ukraine.

Posted by: young | Jul 11 2023 0:22 utc | 121

@105
It seems pretty obvious to me: Erdo the opportunist finally has the EU over a barrel as result of the Ukraine madness. “you admit Turkey to the Schengen area and we will send as many Turks to Europe as we want and you can’t do anything about it.”
They are too woke in the EU to refuse the obvious poison-pill deal.
Beggars (the EU/NATO) can be choosers. USA/NATO is happy to throw the EU countries under the bus yet again.
I wonder what Orban will say about this.
Still, even for Erdo this EU game looks like a possibly a brief pleasure. If you think that Turkey’s long-term interests are better served by loyalty to Russia and association with BRICS.
Or, maybe it is all play-acting for the Vilnius stage.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 11 2023 0:24 utc | 122

Quick question …
Anybody have their pulse on what Turkish voters think of what Erdogan is doing. After running an election where he supported Russia against his political opposistion..?
After these recent U turns…

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 11 2023 0:24 utc | 123

Posted by: Mark Thomason / Jul10 2023 21:12 utc / 99
The Americans were certainly massive armament producers during WW2, but don’t get carried away. TOTAL US production of military aircraft in the war was about 300,000, divided almost evenly between bomber, transport and fighter types. Your figure for aircraft carrier production is also inflated – it was actually 116 completed during the war (btw Japan managed to build just 6).

Posted by: Bernard Davis | Jul 11 2023 0:43 utc | 124

Echo Chamber @ 151
Quick question …
Anybody have their pulse on what Turkish voters think of what Erdogan is doing. After running an election where he supported Russia against his political opposistion..?
After these recent U turns…
RESPONSE: Often politicians will promise one thing and then renege after they get elected. Erdogan is a politician. After the elections, the voters do not matter. Their input is quickly forgotten as the money rushes in to buy influence.
Overall, I think Turkey will do very well with the coming events in the Russo/Ukrainian war.

Posted by: young | Jul 11 2023 0:58 utc | 125

Thank you, b, for providing, as always, cogent, cold, practical analysis, un-swayed by the psyops of the Western mainstream media. Sadly, the media psyops still appear to be working on the captive populations of the West and the Ukrainians throwing themselves mindlessly into the meat grinder. (saw a video of Russian soldiers collecting “trophies” on the battlefield referring to the dead Ukrainian soldiers at their feet as “idiots” in Simplicius’ latest article). We are witnessing a modern version of the infamous charge of the Light Brigade, fittingly spurred on by the British into the Russian guns.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 11 2023 1:00 utc | 126

Stanislav Rzhytskiy, the former commander of the Russian Black Sea fleet submarine “Krasnodar”, who fired the missiles that killed Liza Dmytriyeva, was shot dead by an unknown assailant this morning.
No Russian murderer is safe.
Putin continues to do more to strengthen NATO than anyone since Harry Truman. Thanks!

Posted by: Zinjanthropus | Jul 11 2023 1:08 utc | 127

NATO’s doctrine is still depending on air-superiority
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Superiority by AC Clarke

Posted by: Lurker Above | Jul 11 2023 1:11 utc | 128

I don’t know whether you are a flea or not but what you are pointing out are certainly not facts. The “west’ inspired by its financiers spent years trying to undermine the Soviet Union, including a series of civil wars in which 8 million Russians are said to have died, many of war induced famines.
The lie that the October Revolution was financed by and carried out for “Jews” is simply White Russian propaganda which morphed, as did they, into Nazism.
So you may not be a flea but you are acting as a Nazi and a particularly stupid one as well: they were fighting their enemy, Communism; you are simply repeating garbage to which you add an anti semitic spin. You ought to be ashamed of yourself- no flea would lower itself to your intellectual level.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 10 2023 22:15 utc |

I am not very knowledgeable but you are ignorant of everything and again you resort your usual nazi name calling.
Restrictions were placed upon Jews by tsarist Russia and the Tsar was demonized in the western Jewish press to pretty much the same extent the nazis later were (including claims of multi-million genocide). The banker Jakob Schiff who funded the Japanese in their war against Russia stated that he was only to happy to help them in their fight against “the antisemitic enemy of mankind” (see Jeffry A. Frieden – Banking On The World for that quote). It is the same Jakob Schiff who is credited the most for the funding of the révolution in general and bolsheviks in particular. Brian Moynahan in in his somptuously illustrated book The Russian Century states that the bolcheviks had state of the art western-made radio communication equipment and that Trotsky had an armored train and a Rolls-Royce command car. This is all a far cry from an oppressed peasant’s revolt. Later in the same book I learned that the building of the Soviet’s mighty industrial power base in the 20’s and 30’s was greatly helped by US corporations who were paid for their expertise with precious metals and gems mined in the Siberian gulags where forced labour life expectancy was as low as less than a year (class extermination of peasantry, nobility and political opposition by the bolsheviks). All sorts of hair-raising medical experiment also took place in the gulags which, it was later revealed by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, were, in his experience, managed and staffed exclusively by Jews.
As for the Cold War, it is in my opinion a device that allowed for the hyper-militarization of the US and its consequent rise as a superpower.
Manufacturing foes and future foes is common place, Israel funds Hamas to counteract a very strong PLA and later Hamas becomes their number one enemy, or, when the Shah of Iran starts to badmouth Jews and Israel, he is then quickly overthrown by the Islamists (with help from CIA, MI6, Mossad, no doubt) which then become a big foe and we help Saddam to fight Iran before we make him a foe and screw him later because he becomes too strong of a Palestinian supporter.
Even Hitler fall in that category I believe, otherwise why would Ernst Hanfstaengel, a swiss-american citizen who groomed, over many years, Hitler into real political power and funded the printing presses for the Volkisher Beobachter, a newspaper in which Hitler disseminated his anti-Jewish rethoric to the German populace, why would Ernst Hanstaengel remain good friend with prominent American Jews such as Charles Chaplin till the end of his life (as reported by John Toland in his massive and acclaimed Hitler bio)? You’d think he’d be reviled for helping Hitler sowing the seeds of the Holocaust, etc.. but, no, not at all…
Finally to end with this stinky shit, I recall reading some book about the post-WWII conferences in which it was mentioned how complicated and tedious the management of languages and translations was between the gathered foreign secretaries, a problem which reportedly didn’t exist at all in the side-meetings of the foreign secretaries’ wifes who communicated with each other in a common language, Yiddish.

Posted by: Mushroom | Jul 11 2023 1:34 utc | 129

re: a string of comments, starting by “gringo:
I have had an immediate mental association with Smedley Butler statememt that war is a racket.
Then the discussion progressed.
My second reminder was, that a certain Person of Stature apparently “very likely” stated, that there is no problem with bringing frequently the topic of who really owns banks or media . . . (who??). Alas _it is important, that things will stay that way_.
And they do not?
Remember learning from “Chicago Tribune” a lot about these matters. Not that ChiTrib was intending such education. To the contrary . . . .

Posted by: LogosApplied | Jul 11 2023 1:39 utc | 130

Complete COLLAPSE Of Ukrainian Armored Spearhead | Breaking News | Daily Update 07/10/23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXQHDlU7WG8
Ukraine required to put on a show spectacular for the USNATO summit.
Russians prove in a real war, with real consequences, not everything plays out like a Hollywood script.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 11 2023 1:46 utc | 131

Feedus Beach # 0:55 utc | 153

Jews in Tsarist Russia had no path to power, no agency to exert control in Russia. Since neither little Alexy nor one of the Grand Duchesses was going to marry a shtetl momma or a shlomie, well then the Romanovs just had to go. But the jews were not the instigators to overthrow these Orthodox Christian monarchs, oh no, not at all; they had nothing to do with it.

The oppressed people of Russia rose to the ocasion to throw the overlord class into the gutter. Likely many religions and ethnic clans found the path of revolution satisfactory to their imagined future. Certainly for the vast masses of Russians the existing order was unacceptable in the extreme.
Likewise in the UKraine region of Russia today and if there is to be some uprising against the nazi NATO junta, all ethnic/religious components will be well represented. The existing order in the UKraine region of Russia will overthrown from what is now observed.
Perhaps some later day will evidence similar achievement in the USA but that is for them to decide.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 11 2023 1:48 utc | 132

Some videos for today.
Russian/Chechen forces took more enemy troops prisoner near Artemovsk:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/apti-chechens-klescheevka:5
Russian forces destroy more US-supplied Bradley infantry fighting vehicles on the Zaporozhye front:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/video_2023-07-10_16-23-50:5
Russian Su-25s conduct airstrike near Krasny Liman:
https://rutube.ru/video/b1b7de4bb01d91c55df3a52b3c0f994f/
Russian Lancets strike enemy tank:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6?view=content
Bulgarians call for country’s neutrality in Ukraine conflict:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/bulgaria-call-for-neutrality:9

Posted by: Nate | Jul 11 2023 1:52 utc | 133

The war will last until there’s no more money to be made from it, or the Ukrainians themselves overthrow their puppet “leaders”. Or they run out of cannon-fodder.
Posted by: Observer | Jul 10 2023 16:06 utc | 16

Good point. I feel option 2 is the most likely outcone at this point. Not necessarily a coup, but soome consensus developing in the Ukrainian political class after Vilnius that no one other than themselves alone is going to save Ukraine. As the Kossacks of earlier times did.
o Continuing the military confrontation is counter-productive.
o Russia shows no sign of destroying anything other than the offensive capabilities of Kiev. Moscow is not fhreatening political figures in Ukraine and Ukraine has good chances of surviving a negotiated settlement.
o Russia may be a more reliable partner than the EU or the US, altgough sleeping with an elephant like Russia comes with its own problems.
The current fight between the Donbasa and Zaporizhie and the rest of Ukraine (Polish led then,, NATO led today) is nof the first one, They also fought against each other in the mid 17th century, And there were 13,000 deas soldiers left on the battledield then as last month (Jean-Benoir Scherer, 1788, Annales de la Petite-Russie. Also available in condensed form in German. Google-books, Archive.org).

Posted by: Richard L | Jul 11 2023 2:06 utc | 134

“In closing, allow me to quote Tisdall’s biggest clanger (IMHO):
Even when sober and with the wind behind it, Russia’s blundering army could not beat Ukraine’s 2nd XI. For all his threats, Putin fears Russia-Nato conflict, too. For him, it would be political and military suicide.
Read it and weep.
Posted by: tawharanui | Jul 10 2023 18:15 utc | 40”
But the public believe it. I get commiserations for thinking like I do. Also other posters are correct NATO/the west will do my thing to survive. Expect it. Russia does.

Posted by: Inki | Jul 11 2023 2:12 utc | 135

Apologies – ‘anything to survive.’

Posted by: Ink | Jul 11 2023 2:13 utc | 136

Collapse always comes slowly at first and then all at once. But it’s very hard to predict the timing.
Zelensky’s (and by extension his sponsors’) problem is multifaceted. He cannot afford to continue the war the way it’s going, but he absolutely cannot afford to let it end. Things are bad in Ukraine. A nearly failed state before the war is teetering on the brink of implosion. The energy systems the Russians almost destroyed are struggling to keep up with summer demand and not being repaired, regular seasonal maintenance nor repair of Russian damage. The IMF has him by the balls, so he has to raise tariffs on utilities and everything else. The loss of productive aged men is problematic now and won’t get better. The harvest is going to be much worse than last year. And holding it together is only possible with western aid/loans.
But the west is now tapped out in terms of medium and long term military supplies. The Americans hate a lose and he’s starting to look like a loser. However, if the war ends he’ll have to deal with all the internal problems. If the war doesn’t end the internal problems get worse. His only real hope is direct NATO involvement or at least a coalition of the willing. That runs into the problem of the US being tapped out when it comes to important war materials.
All that’s left is for the US to abandon him. He’s a fool if he thinks Joe Biden will be loyal.

Posted by: Lex | Jul 11 2023 2:15 utc | 137

Mosquito tactics, an inhuman waste of life, almost a ritual sacrifice.
S-200 attacks, the Soviets knew how to point them at the ground when they made them in the first place.

Posted by: Josh | Jul 11 2023 2:19 utc | 138

gringo@123
Revolutions pay for themselves. The Bolsheviks didn’t need money from bankers of any religion because they had the army and the people on their side. And, once in power, they had all the resources of the state at their command.
As to the fact that the Nazis supported the Zionists in their project to move Europe’s Jews to Palestine (or some other refuge) this is very well known. As is the fact that zionists were a small minority among the Jewish electorate.
‘Mushroom’has caught up with the fact that Jews were discriminated against in Russia. Has anyone ever doubted this? Or that it would lead to some Jews becoming revolutionaries, just as many Africans in South Africa became revolutionaries when they were discriminated against? And many catholics became revolutionaries when their religion was proscribed in Ireland?
As to the idiotic suggestion that Trotsky’s famous train meant that the money for it came from abroad-from the famous financiers behind communism- it is simply another proof that people indoctrinated in fascist anti-communist tropes have no understanding of what a revolution is. In the case of Russia it gave rise to the Red Army which for many years was the most efficient, innovative and balanced military force in the world.
Money cannot buy what an uprising of the masses brings.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 11 2023 2:21 utc | 139

[In Afghanistan] As far as the US is concerned, it got its thank you from the same Mujahideen (Taliban) in a 20-year war which did not end so well for the US either.
I would add 9/11 to the “fuck you” from Afghanistan, but that was a thank you from Saudi Arabia, another backward nation that the US supported for 70 plus years.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 10 2023 20:53 utc | 92
Understanding the story of A. requires more detailed knowledge that exhibited by Ed. Mujahideen who won over pro-Soviet government after the end of direct Soviet support (weapons etc. but no troops on the ground) created a loose system of feudal type, with some “warlords” being in the top tier and other in relation of allegiance to the top tier. While the war against government went on, they were supplied from the West through fundamentalist Muslim intermediaries. After Najibullah was hanged, top tier ruled Kabul collectively, and the country side individually, supporting themselves with tolls on truckers etc. (needless to say, trucking heroine required a higher toll). They were greedy and cruel (besides being pius Muslim).
Taliban, “students of religious schools” rose in opposition to Mujahideen, getting some support from truckers who were tired of tolls (you cross checkpoint of another local brigand, you pay another toll) and ISI (Pakistani Muslim fundamentalist in charge of military intelligence). Initially, Taliban was doing well only in Pathan ethnic areas, but before 2001 they managed to unite Afghanistan. Of course, some Mujahideen warlords changed sides, but Taliban remained a “good government” puritan movement.
After Americans got direct control of Afghanistan, the initial method of governance was to give a fat packet of USD to each top tier warlord and let them rule the countryside, rapacious bastards that they were. This re-created the very reason of Taliban existence, and Westerners, themselves corrupt, could not help with that, hence the slow process of Taliban regaining following and spreading it to non-Pathan groups.
This is a conundrum in some Muslim countries: if you do not follow Holy Quran and the Prophet (peace be upon him), you are a criminal. And indeed, leaders, national or local who have less literal approach tend to be thieves and worse. One can observe that this is more general phenomenon: while ideologies impose irrational believes like necessity of covering female bodies 100% or Russiagate, absent of an ideology it is very hard to achieve government not run by thieves. You need some reasons to believe in common good. Then again, some ideologies do not believe in common good.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 11 2023 3:25 utc | 140

Russia is running outta…oh, no…wat?

Rostec Deputy CEO Vladimir Artyakov gave an interview to Rossiya-24 TV channel. Let’s go through the main theses:
▪️ The State Defense Order is being fulfilled in full. For some items, we are ahead of schedule, not only in terms of time, but also in terms of quantity.
▪️ On some items the production of combat aircraft has been doubled. These are such aircraft as the Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35. The State Corporation is ready to further increase production volumes.
▪️ 80% of the equipment involved in the Combined Air Defense System is Rostec’s production.
▪️ Kinzhal cannot be intercepted thanks to the technologies used in the missile. Stories about shooting down Kinzhals are lies for the purposes of anti-Russian propaganda. This complex is being mass-produced.
▪️ Rostec is ready to produce ground-based unmanned equipment in the required volume.
▪️ Ansat will fly on domestic VK-650 engines.
▪️ The gas generator system of the PD-8 engine will be used to create a new engine for the Mi-26 helicopter.
▪️ Next year PD-8s will be mass produced. Superjets will be equipped with these engines. In 2024, the aircraft will be fully import-substituted.
▪️ In 2024, the MS-21 will enter serial production and the first 6 machines will be shipped to Aeroflot.
▪️ Rostec is creating conditions for attracting and retaining personnel: from training and professional development to mortgage benefits.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 11 2023 3:26 utc | 141

The S-300 does not have an ‘inherent land-attack capability’. For the love of God, how many times is this zombie going to lurch around the mulberry bush? Like the S-200, the S-300 is Lock On Before Launch (LOBL) – both missiles are assigned to targets that their acquisition radars can see, and because they are air-defense systems, their radars are optimized against flying targets that are moving against a motionless background. They can’t see buildings and bunkers. Both missiles detonate by a proximity fuse, which senses via doppler that it is at its closest point to the (moving) target. An air-defense missile’s target-discrimination capability comes from being directed by its parent radar on the ground against the only thing moving in that area of the sky. The S-200 and S-300 missiles have no homing radar on board at all, and are directed to intercept from launch to impact by the acquisition and fire-control radars on the ground. If it could be used against a ground target the fuse system would have to be changed out, otherwise it would explode as soon as it got near anything after firing – you could not reasonably ‘target’ it at any specific thing.
https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-200VE-Vega.html#mozTocId215257
All the swooning bubblehead stories about the S-300 ‘land attack variant’ come from the same sources – lazy journalists who think the only missile Russia makes is the S-300, or cannot memorize any other number-letter groups, and this numbingly stupid article from ‘The Drive’.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official
One more time: you cannot use a LOBL anti-air missile against a land target unless you can get the parent radar to lock on to a building, and somehow sort out the particular building you want from the rest of the ground clutter. As the S-200 Engagement Envelope diagrams make clear, the acquisition radar has a beyond-horizon-range blind zone that starts at around 38 km from the radar – which, surprise! is about where the horizon is on a clear day – and gains in height the further you get from the beginning of that blind zone. Shooting it at a building further away than you can see with a pair of binoculars is a silly fantasy. The warhead in anti-air missiles is a pre-fragmented shrapnel shape which bursts when detonated by the proximity fuse; it would cause only minor superficial damage to a building. You’d have to re-engineer the warhead and the fuse, and put in a GPS or a computer that would accept launch coordinates, and because you had changed the flight characteristics by changing all the weights, by golly, you’d have to change out the fins and the body. Congratulations: you’ve re-engineered the entire missile except the engine. Tell me again what justified this?

Posted by: Mark | Jul 11 2023 3:27 utc | 142

Re: Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Jul 10 2023 22:35 utc | 128
Well, if you piss off Turkey by bombing their proxies in Idlib this is the predictable result.

Posted by: Julian | Jul 11 2023 3:38 utc | 143

You’d have to re-engineer the warhead and the fuse, and put in a GPS or a computer that would accept launch coordinates, and because you had changed the flight characteristics by changing all the weights, by golly, you’d have to change out the fins and the body. Congratulations: you’ve re-engineered the entire missile except the engine. Tell me again what justified this?
Posted by: Mark | Jul 11 2023 3:27 utc | 186
When you are like Ansar Allah, and no longer have any radar, but you still have the missiles.
I know they re-engineered anti-air missiles to be cruise missiles, one of which flew with a drone fleet of about 15, and hit an Aramco oil depot and refinery. They then threatened the glass towers of the UAE.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 11 2023 3:40 utc | 144

@ Posted by: Al | Jul 10 2023 18:23 utc | 44
Mao had 4 wives and officially 10 children. The dead of son Mao Anything is blamed by some Chinese on the son himself, his illegal fire of frying an egg was a beacon for US bombers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Anying
Father Mao only fought in Korea to force Soviet military technology into his Chinese peasant army. Stalin was not comradely generous to the CCP before 1950, and the future would prove him right on that issue.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 11 2023 3:41 utc | 145

@ Julian | Jul 11 2023 3:38 utc | 188
are you guys a tag team, is it is just my impression?

Posted by: james | Jul 11 2023 3:45 utc | 146

Re: Posted by: theo | Jul 10 2023 22:44 utc | 131

For me it sounds that both sides ( US Russian ) have a deal and the war is over.
( for us not now over – but the big guys know the end and the have a date for this end )

It can’t possibly be over anytime soon – Russia doesn’t even control 50% of Donetsk oblast!! Let alone even the Donbas!!

Posted by: Julian | Jul 11 2023 3:45 utc | 147

Laguerre, give your head a shake – nobody has any idea what you’re talking about. Give it a rest. You’re just taking up space and wasting time. This is a forum for grown-ups.
Posted by: DiggerDan | Jul 11 2023 2:50 utc | 180
Just shows you how unpleasant NATO trolls are. Some unknown comes on here and tells a long-time user he doesn’t know what he”s talking about. Just to fill up space. It’s a standard tactic.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 11 2023 3:49 utc | 148

Who will be the first one to try to cope-splain all about how Putin plays 47-Dimensional baccarat with great Patience™, now that Sweden is in NATO?
As I said, not a wartime consigliere.
Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Jul 10 2023 22:35 utc | 128
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I’ll bite.
Swedish neutrality has been a hypocritical crock of shit for generations. They’ve been a de-facto part of NATO, long before most people posting here were born.
Furthermore Sweden’s military is rather withered these days. They may try to snag a few subsidies from the US based on their “new” status but it won’t really change anything.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 11 2023 3:51 utc | 149

Some details on the combat use of the French AMX-10RC heavy cannon armored vehicles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine have become known.
It is noted that the French handed them over with the laser irradiation sensors removed, although the Ukrainian crews were trained with their presence. Accordingly, the Ukrainians note that these devices would be very useful, and do not understand why they were dismantled.
Another problem was the lack of spare tires, which the French did not supply. At the same time, combat vehicles are used in areas where artillery and mortar fire is very intense, as well as many sharp objects on the ground. Accordingly, the consumption of tires is large, which leads to the failure of the armored vehicles themselves.
t.me/llordofwar
/171665

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 11 2023 3:52 utc | 150

Piotr Berman | Jul 11 2023 3:25 utc | 183
Yes. Taliban means “student”.
And who established and funded the madrassas where the Taliban studied ?
Who printed their texts?
Yep. The CIA.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 11 2023 3:55 utc | 151

193 laguerre
Please ignore the mosquito bites. The US Empire is collapsing and they don’t like it up em.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 11 2023 3:57 utc | 152

Observer | Jul 10 2023 16:06 utc | 16

or the Ukrainians themselves overthrow their puppet “leaders”.

The Azov commanders can see this project through. Their release is as weird as the Wagner mutiny. Besides, they have some beef with Zelensky and Co. who abandoned them in Mariupol.

Posted by: Nomad | Jul 11 2023 3:58 utc | 153

Posted by: Lex | Jul 11 2023 2:15 utc | 172
Or they have some pictures of Biden doing more to little girls than sniffing their hair. He was ‘viceroy’ of Ukraine from late 2014 till early 2017. Not like Ukraine is unknown in either the child sex trafficking or blackmail game.

Posted by: badjoke | Jul 11 2023 4:08 utc | 154

Someone let the dog azov out.

According to reports, Russian fighters bombed a Turkish military base in Aleppo, Syria.

Source: https://t.me/two_majors/9346
Payback in Syria’s Idlib province would be sweet justice for the infidel Erdogan. Then clearing the Kurd terrorists from that entire northern border would be a neat trick to shut the crappy little sultan up. Time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 11 2023 4:17 utc | 155

The very big news is Ankara caving at the last minute to Sweden‘s (full) NATO membership. Supposedly, Ankara got full EU membership in exchange, including Schegen. A little unclear precisely with no timelines.
Poor Swedes – Neutrality served them well for 200 plus years. The Swedes prospered and thrived in large part because they were studiously neutral.
it’s illuminating that the War Party does not allo neutrality. It’s a Obsession with the War Party. Neutrality is a sacred centuries old tradtiin enshrined in dozens of treaties and international conventions.
Neutrality is part and parcel of civilisied behavior among nations. That the War Party tries to cancel neutrality is yet another sign of how barbaric they are

The War Party is barbaric. Plain and simple

Posted by: Exile | Jul 11 2023 4:17 utc | 156

@ Exile | Jul 11 2023 4:17 utc | 206
they are just following the w bush mantra – yer either for us or yer against us… worked like a hot dam for bush junior, lol.. good thing they left him down on the moron ranch in texas.. i can’t wait til the next replacement..

Posted by: james | Jul 11 2023 4:25 utc | 157

“And here, we must admit that the Russians today are much closer to the armies of Western countries than the Ukrainians are in this respect: the Russians take care of their soldiers”
I cant take this nonsense
Russians ALWAYS took care of their soldiers. And every high general really cared and they were dieng WITH its own armies and troops.
Russians won insane amount of battles being outnumbered and had less casualties.
As being SUPERIOR or peer to peer(comparing with west) in Combined Arms operations military art and strategies (for last 400 years at least but arguably even longer) they do what they need to do to win. While west (USA) only do PR and propaganda and running in circles.
Stop this BS about USA/UK care about its soldiers (no its not) and WW1,2 showed it a lot
and all that retarded myths about “general winter”, “russia doesnt care about soldiers and sending them in gazilions” (most degenerate take), russia’s weapons are old and bad and west has shiny giga super wonder toys that can win everything. etc etc
about “american super tactics they invented to trick russians” – no its not. you cant trick russians. its laughable. they cant “invent” anything
All i hear is bla bla bla and propaganda about “Russians fighting with shovels cause they have not enough weapons”
SO, we have 3 scenarios now
1) NATO agrees with Russia’s demands now
2) NATO will send its 500k army – will lose it,then regime change in NATO, and then NATO will agree with Russia’s demands
3) NATO will start Nuclear war. Will lose 200-300-500 mln ppl and then will agree with Russias demands by simply not existing as western civilizations
as NATO diplomatic, political or military leader you can make your choice now
PS strongest point of Russian army is not Kinzhal or ICBM or any soldier.
strongest point of Russian army its own(UNIQUE) Military Art and military traditions

Posted by: etfreddd | Jul 11 2023 4:39 utc | 158

On Sweden officially joining NATO. It makes absolutely zero difference as Sweden’s been an unofficial member since NATO’s inception. And in a twisted way, it makes sense that all the OSCE nations that broke all the OSCE Security Treaties are now all part of NATO, with Turkey as usual being the oddball. NATO currently has almost nothing capable of defending itself with having given most of it to Ukraine. Yes, there’re a few sane NATO/EU nations that appear capable of weathering the oncoming economic Depression in Europe that quite likely will cause NATO’s collapse. All EU/NATO need do is continue to attack their own best interests and they’ll hasten the outcome and possibly reduce the level of pain inflicted on their citizens. The Vilnius Conference should commence in a few hours. As with a proper Vuadville Show, I’m sure we’ll be regaled with zany antics and utter idiocy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2023 4:47 utc | 159

Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 11 2023 4:33 utc | 210–
Yes, one of my favorites by Poe. IMO, gringo isn’t cultured enough to known what Amontillado is, and I wouldn’t waste an entire cask. Rather, he’d be more likely to appreciate some Everclear with his mushrooms and meat.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2023 4:51 utc | 160

gringo 78,
Re Douglas MacGregor. You couldn’t be more wrong. In 2017 while senior US defense official, he called out “The Lobby,” saying “Politicians that support Israel are only driven by money and the pro Israeli lobby in the United States is trying to drag America into war.” https://israelpalestinenews.org/senior-trump-official-politicians-get-very-rich-by-supporting-israel/

Posted by: Willow | Jul 11 2023 5:07 utc | 161

🔻Stubborn battles continue in the Avdeevka sector. Yesterday, Ukrainian units tried to occupy a forest belt north of Vodyanoye, but the enemy was stopped by artillery fire from a howitzer battalion of 1453 MSPs of the RF Armed Forces
▪️Using the withdrawal of the AFU and the regrouping, the Russian assault detachments launched a counterattack. It is reported that as a result of a successful offensive, the RF Armed Forces occupied an important landing south of the village of Severnoye and moved further towards the settlement.
❗️The AFU have already tried to attack to regain control, but the fighters of the Russian Armed Forces repelled the offensive. The advance to the north made it possible to take under fire control the road from Orlovka to Lastochkino, jeopardizing the supply of Avdeevka along this path.
🔻To the north of Avdeevka, shooting battles are taking place north of Krasnogorovka, where Russian troops were able to penetrate the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the railway. To the south, the RF Armed Forces tried to storm the area of ​​Avdeevsky dachas, but to no avail. (this probably the related to the Ukr video I posted yeterday that a lot of you got your “panties in a bunch” over)
t.me/CyberspecNews/35620

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 11 2023 5:08 utc | 162

Gerry Bell. 56
They are obsessed with gaining territory – even the smallest ground – just a trench now counts – to the exclusion of all else – the ability to hold it, support it, its wider or strategic context.
This sounds very much like Westpoint thinking, if you reflect on the fact that Edgar Allan Poe was there, sounds like the Pit and the Pendulum tactics again!

Posted by: Peterde | Jul 11 2023 5:31 utc | 163

@ James M. | Jul 11 2023 5:16 utc | 22
Yes, that answers why the communist CCCP/USSR didn’t become the world’s second economy then.
Too tight on the human vital, the egoistic desire for private “more” let loose for the whole population (=capitalism) instead of only for the ruling elite.
Is present Russia under Putin making that same “mistake” again? Less I guess.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 11 2023 5:32 utc | 164

Posted by: hankster | Jul 11 2023 5:37 utc | 226
In English (or any other properly rendered language) and with proper context and attestation?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 11 2023 5:39 utc | 165

Periodic Gratitude
This is the best site I’ve found for keeping up with the war in Ukraine. I’m not competent to contribute, but I want to express, at least periodically, my thanks to the many good regular posters–particularly those who offer not simply opinions, but historical and military information, and links to pertinent statements and events.
BUT: Oh DOWN SOUTH and RICHARD STEPHEN HACK where art ye (pl of thou)?
(And, RSH, I’m in San Francisco and will offer you a real drink if you contact me at info@ignatius.com)

Posted by: sfblackrobe | Jul 11 2023 5:50 utc | 166

Meanwhile in UKraine news passe the jooz:

by Anti-Mirror
July 10, 2023, 9:31 p.m.
I had just published an article about Erdogan’s poker game after he demanded Turkey’s accession to the EU in return for his okay for Sweden’s accession to NATO. However, as I had already suspected in the article, this was just a bluff and Erdogan probably wanted to achieve other goals with this announcement. Here I summarize what has been reported so far.
The first news came in the evening, when Stoltenberg announced the breakthrough. Stoltenberg said::
“President Erdogan has agreed to submit the protocol on Sweden’s admission to NATO to parliament for ratification as soon as possible and to work with it to ratify the document as soon as possible”
Also, Stoltenberg promised that in return, NATO would create a special mechanism and the post of special envoy for counterterrorism.
A little later it was reported that Stoltenberg, however, could not yet say when Sweden will join NATO:

“I can’t say when the parliamentary ratification process will be completed. I was a Member of Parliament myself and I can say that this process takes time. It is important that President Erdogan’s document is submitted for ratification as soon as possible. The final date will be announced by the Turkish Parliament.”

In return, however, Erdogan will not be granted EU accession. In any case, I doubted that Erdogan would want to join the EU as a full member, since Erdogan is hardly willing to transfer as much sovereignty to Brussels as the EU states have to do. In my opinion, Erdogan is interested in the economic benefits of the EU, that is, in a kind of free trade area, and, above all, in the visa-free entry for Turks into the EU, which the Turks want. And that’s exactly what he seems to have got, because Stoltenberg also stated:

“Sweden, as an EU member, has promised to make active efforts to intensify Turkey’s EU accession process, help modernize the customs union between Turkey and the EU, and intensify negotiations on visa-free travel.”

Shortly thereafter, it was reported that the Turkish parliament would begin the ratification process for Sweden’s accession to NATO in the autumn session of the Turkish parliament, which begins on October 1.

I guess Erdogan and the Turks are just exercising their particular interests. Could they be the 14th or 15th lost tribe? Or is the perfidious albion a common mind affliction throughout humanity.
source: https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2023/was-erdogan-fuer-den-nato-beitritt-schwedens-bekommt/
Somehow I have this suspicion that there will be an incomplete gas hub down that way and for some time too.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 11 2023 6:04 utc | 167

@Zinjanthropus | Jul 11 2023 2:02 utc | 167

If you’re a Russian commander who has killed Ukrainians, don’t post your runs on social media where Budanov can see them.

Twitter extends to hell these days?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 11 2023 6:31 utc | 168

Daily workout proves deadly for Russian runner.
>… “In Krasnodar, the deputy head of the city department for mobilization work Stanislav Rzhitsky was shot dead.
The shooter was most likely able to get to him because he regularly saves runs on Strava that take the same route.”
– telegram

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 11 2023 6:33 utc | 169

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/07/11/bwmr-j11.html
New one on Prigozin. Thoughts?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 11 2023 6:36 utc | 170

Wunderwaffe from apartheid state the UK to the UKraine?
This Video Proves How DYSTOPIAN Israel Is
Has Richard Medhurst discovered the new toy to maybe delivered to Russia via Ukraine 😉
Afaik Lanius has been in UK for a long time but these systems are rapidly developing across the world.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 11 2023 6:42 utc | 171

The war has been a strategic failure for Ukraine.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/54138

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 11 2023 7:21 utc | 172

A good part of the text here is strikingly close to the text in this article by Simplicius, dated 10 July 2023.
I am surprised you don’t give any credit, nor even any reference, to that article.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Jul 11 2023 7:31 utc | 173

Ahenobarbus no. 228
Rubbish. This is more pertinent i think:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/07/11/jnvt-j11.html

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 11 2023 7:50 utc | 174

when the opposing force was a much harder to crack one than some goat herders from Helmand, Afghanistan.

These “goat herders” are a 100 times tougher to crack than your precious Russians whom they defeated.

Posted by: Bern | Jul 11 2023 8:15 utc | 175

Everything is going swimmingly for NATO – except that they are losing the war.
Turkey will never become a member of the EU. Erdogan is dreaming.

Posted by: B. Wildered | Jul 11 2023 8:37 utc | 176

When even professional liars can’t help but tell the truth:
USA: “The war has been a strategic failure for Ukraine.”
Press: “You mean Russia?”
USA: “I’m sorry, excuse me, a strategic failure for Ukraine! Thank you for the correction.”
https://t.me/intelslava/49829

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 11 2023 8:38 utc | 177

I’m sure there’s a China thread around here somewhere.
Anyway, just briefly; Chinese capitalism with Communist Party characteristics was strongly helped along it’s way by Maurice, and his cousin Anna. Maurice was of course the right hand man of one Nathan Rothschild. How to make a fortune out of using another country’s economy to manufacture wind turbines and solar panels to replace the west’s coal fired powergen infrastructure, while weakening it to enhance international and sustainable eco-equity… I doubt it’s all going as planned for UN global governance however.
And that’s enough conspiracy theorising for one day I think.

Posted by: GT Stroller | Jul 11 2023 9:09 utc | 178

Sorry b, I was following up Melaleuca’s post, which has gone. Feel free to remove mine too.

Posted by: GT Stroller | Jul 11 2023 9:17 utc | 179

From many months I was worried listening to Dima’s rapports. But now it seems that Russia has undeniable advantage. Thanks god.

Posted by: Sombor | Jul 11 2023 9:18 utc | 180

Interesting new documentary on Ukraine ‘Agent Zelensky’ (45 min)
https://rumble.com/v2z739a-agent-zelensky.html
featuring:
Igor Lopatonok (director of ‘Ukraine on Fire’)
Nikolay Azarov (ex-PM of UA)
Vasily Prozorov (ex-SBU)
Andrey Mishin (served in UA Foreign Ministry)
Eric Denece (ex French intelligence officer)
Zelensky is (even more) seriously corrupt and deeply entangled with the British, is the case made.

Posted by: Browser | Jul 11 2023 9:21 utc | 181

b, thanks for this article, it’s cleared up the mystery for me as to how the Western war machine at this point justifies continuing in Ukraine.
Mosquito Tactic (TM). Doesn’t it sound of light-footed nimbleness in the face of the heavy metal Russian military that’s become impossible to deny.
Being likely biased, I suspect the Brits came up with the term, bathing in warm memories of their eponymous wooden WW2 bomber plane. James Bond wannabes meet Monty Python, minus the happy ends and minus the humour.

Posted by: Leser | Jul 11 2023 9:33 utc | 182

The German 1918 offensives were successful by the rather dismal standards of the time but in the end they simply hastened the end as the cream of the Kaiser’s Armies were killed or wounded. The first three attacks – Michael, Georgette and Chemin des Dames were successful, the Second Marne in July a failure. Or were successful in the sense they gained ground (mainly fought over wasteland) but did not knock the British and /or the French Empires out of the war before the USA could decisively intervene.
The tactics were revolutionary for the day, relying on a secret as possible build up and a surprise attack. The army was divided into attack divisions and trench divisions and the best men and equipment transferred into those first units. Each attack division also had highly trained spearhead elements armed with grenades, SMGs, LMGs, flamethrowers and mortars, and were trained to ignore flanks and try to penetrate and infiltrate enemy fixed defences. SOP now but not so much then. On their own the infantry could not make much progress but the Germans massed artillery and fired a hurricane barrage over maybe 4 hours designed to suppress/stun and not necessarily destroy enemy defences, with over half the shells being smoke or gas. In particular known enemy artillery was to be subject to counter-battery fire.
The first three attacks benefited from good luck. Not only were the British and French surprised and deployed up front in the barrage target area with little depth, but it was foggy on the mornings of attack. The Marne was a failure as the French deployed in depth, their front lines were little more than outposts, the Germans attacked into a fire sack and above all the French knew when and where the Germans would attack – no surprise was achieved.
Comparing the situation in Ukraine today we can see some similarities. I judge that the UAF has created its elite attack units and its “trench” units. The UAF can make ground on foot but their losses are high. They have almost no surprise. They lack fire support. These infantry attack tactics are easily countered by a defence in depth of an elastic nature, particularly if you have air, fire and armour superiority. The best UAF troops are being massacred.
In fact I would categorise [many of?] these dismounted attacks as little more than raids designed to win the Twitter War, not the real one. The UAF have to be seen to be doing something. So the capture of a small amount of unimportant ground is hailed as a great success regardless of the cost. We now even have the cognitive dissonance by western commentators that at least the RF are being forced to expend artillery shells. So the Russians are swapping shells for Ukrainian lives? This is what Ukraine winning looks like?

Posted by: marcjf | Jul 11 2023 9:34 utc | 183

BREAKING

France has decided to transfer long-range missiles to Ukraine to support the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, French President Emmanuel Macron said.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 11 2023 9:38 utc | 184

Re: WWI Sturm Battalions Tactics
The German Army had remarkable success in Spring 1918 on the Western Front with their new Sturm battalion tactics to break through multiple heavily fortified trench lines – without Air power Given the tactical situation facing NATO in using Infantry only;, I thought it might be illuminating to review what wiki says:

In contrast to the normal infantry’s task of taking entire enemy sectors one after the other in storm and trench warfare, the tactics of the stormtroopers, following a preliminary, short artillery barrage, consisted of penetrating a previously identified weak point in the enemy position and bypassing larger pockets of resistance .
While the sections that were still heavily defended were being fought by the following infantry, the stormtroopers pushed further into the enemy rear, causing confusion there, hampering the deployment of enemy reserves and interfering with the attempted coordinated counterattack by the reserve troops.
The Assault Battalions were formations equipped with overwhelming firepower – platoon-level machine guns, flamethrowers and mortars, and infantry guns subordinate to the respective Sturmabteilung for fire support.
The secret of their success lay not in (non-combat) infiltration, but in the concentration of overwhelming firepower from all weapons in the breach sector under one tactical leader. This made it possible to break through strong enemy fortifications and quickly penetrate into the depths of the enemy battlefield even without a lateral connection. Infiltration, i.e. the unnoticed penetration of enemy defenses, was not possible due to the high concentration of enemy troops in stormtroop tactics.

Link to german wiki article :
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmbataillon

Posted by: Exile | Jul 11 2023 9:40 utc | 185

Comparing the situation in Ukraine today we can see some similarities. I judge that the UAF has created its elite attack units and its “trench” units. The UAF can make ground on foot but their losses are high. They have almost no surprise. They lack fire support. These infantry attack tactics are easily countered by a defence in depth of an elastic nature, particularly if you have air, fire and armour superiority. The best UAF troops are being massacred.
Posted by: marcjf | Jul 11 2023 9:34 utc | 182

Very likely true; thanks for your insight

Posted by: Exile | Jul 11 2023 9:49 utc | 186

The main success of AFU human wave tactic is that it causes the Russians to demolish their own trench, and will degrade after several rounds of bombardment. Therefore, it becomes useless, can’t be rebuilt quickly and especially due to being in the gray zone, and AFU has now made a gain in territory.
On the other hand, they themselves don’t have a defensive position either, or must spend time to build a new one, slowing the advance, making it vulnerable to counter-attack. We’ve seen several of these counter-attacks reversing AFU gains, including in front of Robotino.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 11 2023 10:05 utc | 187

b & all,
Off topic (apologies) but is there anything akin to VIPS on the military side?
I ask because it seems to me a public statement from respected former senior military officers might have a chance of breaking through the current muffled zone surrounding Ukraine. If the signatories to any such statement carried sufficient weight, it might even persuade some serving officers to break ranks and speak honestly.
This can’t be a new thought but I don’t recall seeing anything of that nature. Would appreciate your thoughts, and those of other readers here.

Posted by: Ingolf Eide | Jul 11 2023 10:12 utc | 188

@Ernesto Che
A good part of the text here is strikingly close to the text in this article by Simplicius, dated 10 July 2023.
I am surprised you don’t give any credit, nor even any reference, to that article.

I haven’t even read the latest Simplicius pieces. So why should I give him credit?

Posted by: b | Jul 11 2023 10:14 utc | 189

Like 80 years ago there is still a believe that Russia is, economically and militarily, incapable of defending itself
80 years ago Russia was economically incapable of defending itself; Russia couldn’t have prevailed against the might of the German army without the billions of dollars worth of lend lease military equipment, food and fuel provided by the US.
Of course that has now changed

Posted by: Sir Keef | Jul 11 2023 10:19 utc | 190

The turning point on the eastern front is here!
Since the beginning of its counter-offensive five weeks ago, Ukraine has freed almost as much territory from US experts as Russia had conquered in more than six months. Since the 4th The Ukrainian military had been able to reconquer about 253 square kilometres of land in June, the US Institute for War Studies (ISW) announced on the basis of its own data. By comparison, Russia had during its on the 1st of its According to the ISW, which started in January, winter offensive can conquer 282 square kilometres in six months.

Posted by: Shoplifter | Jul 11 2023 10:27 utc | 192

Posted by: Sir Keef | Jul 11 2023 10:19 utc | 189
Russia couldn’t have prevailed against the might of the German army without the billions of dollars worth of lend lease military equipment
That’s an odd notion.
So the USA had all it took to single-handedly destroy the Wehrmacht on it’s own, but it opted to simply pay Russia to do it?
I suspect that it took much more than a few pennies from the Americans to break the wehrmacht.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 11 2023 10:30 utc | 193

Posted by: Shoplifter | Jul 11 2023 10:27 utc | 191
Ukraine has freed almost as much territory from US experts as Russia had conquered in more than six months.
I bet they did. US experts aren’t much good at holding territory, judging by Afghanistan …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 11 2023 10:33 utc | 194

At this point the US/NATO SHOULD be thinking about how a NATO force would fare in an all out attack against the Russians in Ukraine. NATO doctrine if first obtain air superiority, but Russia has the best AD in the world. How many pilots is NATO willing to lose to get control of the skies? 100? 200? Or more? And is it a sure thing that NATO would get air control? I don’t think so, I think Russia can destroy most of the West’s airplanes with their AD. Without air superiority, the West has no chance against the Russian ground forces, which have established support networks, layered defense lines and the combat experience. And now most of the NATO countries are using up their weapons/ammunition stocks and don’t have enough for their own defense.
To the above…. I’d add the great likelyhood of NATO’s airforce being destroyed on the ground, together with it’s support staff and spares by missiles and drones…. targeting it’s bases…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 11 2023 10:33 utc | 195

Overall, I think Turkey will do very well with the coming events in the Russo/Ukrainian war.
Posted by: young | Jul 11 2023 0:58 utc | 125
Not sure, look what has happened to the Tory party in the UK after U turning on brexit. Their vote has completely collapsed. Russians have long memories and if they take all of the black sea they will then deal with Erdogan. Out him back in his box.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 11 2023 10:38 utc | 196

Military Summary reported on the AFU attacks near Robotino. Apparently the attack was funneled towards a field east of Robotino, where they were destroyed. A fourth wave is ongoing from 08.00 today morning.
RU after countless of AFU attacks near Vodiane (south of Avdeevka) launched their own attack took territory north of Vodiane.
RU has also made their crossing across the Zherebets river (between Lyman and Kupyansk). AFU launched powerful attacks with AFVs and tanks against the bridgehead which were repelled.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 11 2023 10:45 utc | 197

Statement by the head of the press center of the Vostok group
In the South Donetsk direction, the advanced units of the Vostok group of troops opened and prevented the advance of up to a platoon of militants in the direction south of Vodiane. The group was destroyed along with automotive equipment.
The advance of a platoon of nationalists in the area northwest of Staromayorsky was also stopped. Having suffered losses, the enemy retreated.
Motorized rifle units of the group eliminated a group of infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Ravnopol, and also thwarted an enemy attack in the area of Makarovka. The nationalists’ manpower has been destroyed.
Also, in the area of Makarovka, helicopters and artillery fire destroyed the BBM and the places of accumulation of the AFU.
During the counter-battery struggle, a mortar crew was destroyed in the area of Prechistovka.
In the Zaporozhye direction, the APU continues to attempt to attack in the direction of Rabotino. Fire damage is inflicted on the enemy, including artillery and AA helicopters. The nationalists are suffering losses in manpower and equipment.
By means of aerial reconnaissance, the AFU reconnaissance group in the Priyutnoye area was opened and destroyed with the use of a shock UAV. Motorized rifle units of the group opened and destroyed a group of militants in the area of Novodarovka. The calculation of the Wasp air defense system shot down the Valkyrie UAV.
The commander of the tank platoon of the tank regiment of the grouping, Lieutenant Almaz Kdrasov, during the APU offensive on the Vremyevsky salient, supervised the personnel in the most tank-dangerous direction.
In a short period, Lieutenant Kdrasov’s unit repelled 5 enemy counterattacks, destroyed several foreign-made BBMs.
In addition, the officer led the actions of the armored group to suppress the enemy forces that had taken refuge in the forest belts. At the same time, he personally discovered and destroyed about a dozen nationalists. Thanks to the selfless actions of subordinates and the personal courage of the officer, combat tasks were successfully completed to hold the defensive positions of the Russian troops.
The AFU counteroffensive was stopped.

Posted by: Bengh | Jul 11 2023 10:52 utc | 198

Sir Keef | Jul 11 2023 10:19 utc
According to
https://ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-lend-lease-to-the-soviet-union-1941-1945/
400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food
All, of course, via LEND LEASE
That represents 14.9% of tanks used/produced by USSR and 06.6% of aircraft used/produced by USSR. Additionally, the figures provided for the LEND LEASE bill represent stuff sent by 1944, whereas the USSR’s production figures are from 1941.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jul 11 2023 10:56 utc | 199

An interesting documentary may be found on Rumble with the search term ‘Agent Zelensky’. It explores the history, personality, and corruption of Z, as well as his ties to the British state. Featuring prominent Ukrainians like I.Lopatonok. M.Azarov (ex PM), V.Prozorov (ex SBU), and A.Mishin (ex Foreign Ministry staff). English language, 45 minutes.

Posted by: Browser | Jul 11 2023 11:08 utc | 200