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July 27, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-180

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Finally, a Media Debate between Me and an Ukrainian Cheerleader
27 July 2023 by Larry Johnson

“…I accepted an invitation to appear on Press TV… Iran’s version of Voice of America, unaware that Andrij Dobriansky, Director of the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America, would be appearing opposite me. That was a pleasant surprise. In contrast to CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and the BBC, the producers for this Press TV program did not do a pre-interview to determine what I was going to say….
Rumble: 21 mins, 17 secs – imbedded here:
https://sonar21.com/finally-a-media-debate-between-me-and-an-ukrainian-cheerleader/
186 comments

Posted by: Toby C | Jul 29 2023 1:10 utc | 201

Some videos for today.
The criminal Kiev regime used US-supplied cluster bombs to destroy school housing refugees in the LPR’s Lisichansk:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/lisichansk28:9
Kiev regime military column gets destroyed:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/IMG_2916:32
Russian Solntsepyok multiple rocket launcher demolishes enemy stronghold:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/Solntsepyok_2707:2
Russian Grad launcher pounds the enemy near the DPR’s Soledar/Artemovsk:
https://rutube.ru/video/5c4344d5a86b69c8fe4b24b3d84fb5c6/
Russian Tyulpan self-propelled mortar pounds the enemy near the DPR’s Avdeyevka:
https://rutube.ru/video/c732bd4b23937b245fb234561a4dfe16/
Greek activists demand that their government mend ties with Russia:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/greece_activists_28:5

Posted by: Nate | Jul 29 2023 1:16 utc | 202

dh@197
Reading entirely predictable lies written by propagandists for the British ruling class and its new masters may interest you. It doesn’t interest me.
As to contamination the Telgraph and the Tories have been contaminating the land, and much of the world, for more than two centuries.
And the worst of it is it’s completely predictable in it’s snobbery, racism, militarism, hatred of democracy and whimpering for the approval of the wealthy and powerful.
British society is dying and no newspaper is more responsible for its demise than the Telegraph.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2023 1:25 utc | 203

Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2023 1:25 utc | 204
“It doesn’t interest me.”
Well I’m an adult. I don’t like being told what I can read and what I can’t. I don’t see any point in limiting my reading. I read Yahoo, BBC, CNN, NYT etc. without getting contaminated. It’s interesting to see what kind of BS they are feeding the sheeple and I’ve got quite good at reading between the lines. I also look for any indication of wobbling. But if you want to stay safe that’s up to you.

Posted by: dh | Jul 29 2023 1:35 utc | 204

dh@205
I’m not telling you what to read. I’m telling you that the Daily Telegraph has been the newspaper for Tories in Britain for a long time. As such those who like me have spent their lives opposing Tories are given to warning people that they are wssting their time by reading the Telegraph.
As to the “sheeple”- what a dreadful expression that is, redolent of the crassest kind of elitism and snobbery. I’m not at all surprised that you like The Telegraph it is aimed at people who think as you do.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2023 2:37 utc | 205

bevin | Jul 29 2023 2:37 utc | 206
Oh dear. Getting a little personal now are we. I am well aware what level of British politics the DT represents. In fact, as I said, that is what makes it a leasing indicator.
What would you prefer to ‘sheeple’? General reading population? I’m sure all kinds of people read the DT but I suppose they all have their own reasons. Are they influenced by what they read? No idea.

Posted by: dh | Jul 29 2023 2:52 utc | 206

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 28 2023 23:31 utc |
Sounds like low budget porn lol
Reality is budget busting horror.
Let’s pray for no more sequels.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 29 2023 2:56 utc | 207

These current Queensland war “games” haven’t been all “fun and games”..
Score = 1 burnt out Abrams destroyed on Bruce Highway along with civilian cars, caravans and commercial trucks.
Now:
Four Australian Defence Force members are missing, feared dead, after a helicopter crash during the Talisman Sabre military exercise in Queensland.
A search and rescue mission is underway off Hamilton Island for the crew of the MRH-90 helicopter, which went down about 10.30pm on Friday.
Defence Minister Richard Marles said a second helicopter involved in the exercise immediately began the search, but the four were yet to be found.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 3:44 utc | 208

Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 3:44 utc | 209
The helicopter crash covering for losses from a secret involvement in Ukraine? I would not be at all surprised as I think that Oz is in a bit deeper there than the public thinks or even suspects.

Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 29 2023 4:06 utc | 209

Australia to manufacture and export missiles to the US | 9 News Australia
Read between the “lie-ns” … what is being con-cocted..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqWugw4V1zc
>… knew Blinken + Austin bothering to fly here could only bring (more) bad news…
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ZimZum | Jul 29 2023 4:06 utc | 210
My first thought was “lol… a helicopter crash, how “convenient”, ..but I think it was witnessed and did actually crash….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 4:19 utc | 210

Australian military helicopter crash in Queensland | 9 News Australia
Four military personnel are missing and feared dead after an Australian Army helicopter ditched into the ocean in a two helicopter exercise in North Queensland.
Chapters in this video:
0:00 Deputy Prime Minister, Richard Marles
4:29 Security expert, Greg Barton
8:48 Military chopper crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv4YGOFSFQ8
Heli crash has put a “hold” on the war “games”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 4:34 utc | 211

Secretary of Defense Austin, Australian Counterpart* Hold Press Conference
[*Mr No Name]
>>…… 13 watching now Started streaming 39 minutes ago Defense.gov | Pentagon Press Secretary Drops Major Announcement
Joint U.S. – Australia Press Conference Tonight, 12:10 a.m. EDT (2:10pm Aust time)
JULY 28, 2023
Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III will participate in a, joint press conference with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Australian Defense Minister Richard Marles, and Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong, late tonight, at 12:10 a.m. EDT, July 29, in Brisbane, Australia.
Exclusive: Secretary of Defense Austin and Australian Defense Minister Marles speak at Consultations
Live Event | Austin, Australian Counterpart Hold Briefing at Australia-United States Consultations
07.29.2023 12:10:00 AM
Scheduled from Jul 29 2023 12:10 AM EDT to Jul 29 2023 1:10 AM EDT
Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III, and Australian Defense Minister Richard Marles, who also serves as deputy prime minister, brief the news media, at the 33rd annual Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations.
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Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 4:55 utc | 212

What would you prefer to ‘sheeple’? General reading population? I’m sure all kinds of people read the DT but I suppose they all have their own reasons. Are they influenced by what they read? No idea.
Posted by: dh | Jul 29 2023 2:52 utc | 207
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What term do you think would identify you as not superior and looking at some people with disdain?
Humans are. You have to deal with them as they are. I find it not to hard. Arrogance has some limits. MoA barflies tend to be above average civilized. This I greatly enjoy along with the output of active braincells.
Bes wishes, dh.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 5:06 utc | 213

The EU asks Russia to lower the price of grain.
“Due to the increase in transportation costs, Ukrainian grain may lose at the auction compared to Russian grain. We need fair competition, so we ask Moscow to reduce the prices of delivered products. This will be fair to all market participants,” Joseph Borelj.
This kind of hypocrisy is astounding.
“>https://twitter.com/SpriterTeam/status/1685062969929920512

Like seriously, what the h*ll?
I did predict that the grain price will rise painfully for the EU after it was forced to move to transportation on wheels, but never that sort of peak hypocrisy.
EU is well in the process of destroying its own agriculture, so we will probably see more severe food inflation over coming years with no fix. And Ukraine, is not needed and can whither away into irrelevance.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 29 2023 5:32 utc | 214

Ukraine Weekly Update: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update
This covers issues relating to Ukraine and provides a summary of what has been happening on the Ukraine battlefields this week. It may be of interest to those who haven’t the time or the inclination to follow the conflict in depth.

Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Jul 29 2023 5:34 utc | 215

Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 5:06 utc | 214
Thanks for the advice Acco but I must admit to feeling slightly superior to people who believe everything they read in the Daily Telegraph. I know it’s very wrong of me and it may well make me an elitist snob but I just can’t help it.

Posted by: dh | Jul 29 2023 6:52 utc | 216

@ bevin | Jul 28 2023 22:35 utc | 185
See David Wise, The Politics of Lying (1973).
But the problem is deeper and wider and coextensive with corruption, from local to State to Federal to international governance.
“All governments are run by liars and nothing they say should believed.” I. F. Stone
“Mighty Wurlitzer.” “Spin-doctors.” “We all have our public and private positions.” “We lied, we cheated, we stole. We had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment.” Etc.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jul 29 2023 7:09 utc | 217

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 29 2023 5:32 utc | 215
What on earth! You know it’s going to be bad but I defy even Borrell’s most visceral detractors to claim they saw that coming.
Literally the other day he was visibly energised at the military options opening up in the wake of Russia’s refusal to extend the grain deal.
Having been wrong-footed by the depth of Borrell’s shabbiness on this occasion, we must look ahead of this curve and prepare ourselves for even worse from the man.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 7:13 utc | 218

Sheeple’ hmmm.
Bah, ram, ewe, bah, ram, ewe, on the ‘oof or on the ‘ook, we b’aint as stupid as we look, bah, ram, ewe.’
https://farmandanimals.com/how-smart-are-sheep/
I was always taught that all information is useful in some way, and to habitually check sources, especially those that are diametrically opposed to your own, as an intellectual TERCOM exercise. I’ve gravitated over from the Left to the Right of politics as a result, but also realised that these traditional descriptors are now meaningless as the major political parties largely perform kabuki theatre, for their cooperate overlords. My views about Ukraine have undergone similar course corrections and compensatory inputs and I’m always aware that I might be flying a reciprocal flight path.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 7:53 utc | 219

I would encourage anyone who wants to read the Daily Telegraph if they want to.
It’s a free world – even if we no longer have a free press.
In every online forum that I’ve participated in, pundits worry that people will be ‘influenced’ by an article or a newspaper or TV News with an obvious ‘slant’.
But guess what? Folk soon smell a rat when all the outlets decide to villain-ise someone, or some country, or a section of society that is not toe-ing the Government line. They know that something is afoot, even if they don’t know the detail.
Others, like myself, seek elsewhere at that point and find useful sites like MOA.
Up until 2 years ago, the DT did at least publish different POVs on COVID, Net Zero, BREXIT etc. The online subscription discounted to £1 a month was another attraction, and you could always un-subscribe when after 6 months they wanted the ‘normal price’. Wait a week and you could re-enrol at the cheap deal. Right now they are offering me a years subscription for £19.
I unsubscribed when the wall of haphazard, slap-dash, inconsistent low-IQ propaganda on Ukraine became so insulting to me that I considered taking an extended break from it. I hung on because at least in the discussions forums you could comment and lampoon the clumsy nonsense written by Kemp and others. But then some posts started to be refused or deleted. Was Hamish’s censorship battalion active in the fora? More than likely, I reckon, given that he is also a regular inept contributor to the paper now. Meanwhile, disgusting posts from ‘readers’ calling Russians orcs, lice, pigs, mice, vermin, sub-human, etc were posted by a group of ‘accounts’ on a daily basis. I think we know where they came from, but Hamish’s staunch battalion did not move on them in terms of moderation or censorship. I agreed with other posters that UK people do not use ‘sub-human’ epithets against our ‘enemies’, even in war. It’s a Slavic culture thing, I reckon.
In summary, I would say that every mainstream newspaper in the UK is completely ‘controlled’ on the Ukraine situation. Even Americans like McGregor point that out. That doesn’t mean that everyone in the UK are blindly following that line. It does disgust and shame me, though, as a UK citizen, that we have reached that state in my land.
But, like may other issues, it leaves me and an increasing number of people, distrustful of the MSM when they are all in agreement on an issue, and to suspect that the opposite is true. That is a healthy sign for the mental health of the readership, and an unhealthy one for the MSM.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 7:54 utc | 220

212
It might be a genuine helicopter crash, but you can always add a couple of extra ghost passengers to the casualty list… (~_^)

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 7:57 utc | 221

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 28 2023 18:45 utc | 161

Strange war though, Ukraine just keeps on coming, no dissent back home. Maybe it’s like when people go bankrupt, slowly then all at once.

What’s unique about this war is nearly everybody in one of the warring sides is being paid by a third party. So obviously no dissent on that side.
If you are a Ukrainian pensioner, your sons are being blown to pieces in the front lines but your pension is being paid by the USA-EU and the USA-EU asks in return that your sons be blown to pieces in the front lines. You cry and mourn yet you keep living off your USA-EU-given pension.
The Ukrainians will stop coming for more when the USA-EU stops bringing US$-€ into existence to give to the Ukrainians or when the Ukrainians run out of men, whichever happens first.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 29 2023 8:03 utc | 222

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 28 2023 23:31 utc | 193
Lol! Don’t forget with supportive roles of Annalena ‘360-degree-turn’ Baerbock and Olaf ‘liverburst’ Scholz.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 29 2023 8:08 utc | 223

Regarding the non-free western press, and their readership.
‘Real eyes realise real lies’.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 8:25 utc | 224

Watching the mapping channels, every day seems like a bad day, if you are in the Ukrainian Army. Every day, on every part of the front, and beyond, the tag-line at the end is always “…and the Ukrainians took heavy losses”, whatever the location, whether they won or lost, attacked or defended, rain or shine, summer or winter.
No doubt the Russians are taking losses too, but the imbalance is I calculate about 8:1 to 10:1 in Russian favor, over the entire course of the war, and it varies little. Compared to past wars like WWII or WWI or almost any other past war where it was more like 1.25:1 (we kill 5, lose 4) for the victor, and I don’t think any war has been won by the lesser side when the ratio is greater than 3:1 or 4:1. 8:1 is a champion class statistic.
At this point, you have to ask, how long can Ukraine keep doing this. You can give Ukraine credit for being tough fighters, or slam them for being stupid for continuing on this far. But even if the available manpower pools were of equal size, they would lose.
The new NATO narrative now is “stalemate” or “frozen conflict”. At least they are bargaining their way towards acceptance of defeat, one step at a time, from “Ukraine will win” to “Ukraine may win” to now “Ukraine can’t win, but it’s a stalemate”. Still a long way to “Ukraine is losing ground” then “Ukraine has lost”, the Western MSM may never reprt the last one, they’ll just stop covering Ukraine altogether.
But what can you really say about an “Alliance” that sends 400K of their “friends” to their deaths, and 700K to be wounded, an entire nation destroyed for generations, for the sake of “Extending Russia” as the 2019 RAND report put it. While people like Lindsey Grahan and Victoria Nuland dine at fancy restaurants. Just par for the course, another day for The Imperium, I guess. And they wonder why the rest of the world outside the West’s collective bubble of delusion is seeing right through it.

Posted by: FUBAR111111 | Jul 29 2023 8:26 utc | 225

A simple web search this morning of “Ukraine War Stalemate” offers up great bounty of the MSM working up to crying for a Korean War solution.
The Rand view offers insight into the current semi official fantasy meme.
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/02/rand-experts-fear-stalemate-frozen-conflict-in-ukraine/

Posted by: qparker | Jul 29 2023 8:53 utc | 226

I know it’s very wrong of me and it may well make me an elitist snob but I just can’t help it.
Posted by: dh | Jul 29 2023 6:52 utc | 217
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It’s The Gift To Be Simple,
‘Tis The Gift To Be Free,
‘Tis The Gift To Come Down
Where We Ought To Be,
And When We Find Ourselves In The Place Just Right,
‘Twill Be In The Valley Of Love And Delight.
When True Simplicity To Bow And To Bend We Shan’t Be Ashamed,
To Turn, Turn, Will Be Our Delight
Till By Turning, Turning We Come Round Right. Is Gained
Quaker Hymn, popular in America for a while. Erudition, optional.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 8:54 utc | 227

Posted by: FUBAR111111 | Jul 29 2023 8:26 utc | 226

You can give Ukraine credit for being tough fighters, or slam them for being stupid for continuing on this far.

Or simply understand that if they stop, they are broke. No salary, no pension, State collapse, Lybia’s type of anarchy or worse.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 29 2023 9:00 utc | 228

Posted by: FUBAR111111 | Jul 29 2023 8:26 utc | 226
As discussed before, due to various pressures and obvious restriction the mapping channels often unwittingly misrepresent the SMO’s scope and scale, which is small compared to many previous conflicts. Although large formations are involved the frontline clashes are mainly between battalion sub-units who, although fighting short sharp actions every bit as intense as previous conflicts, are not replicating the scale and tempo of those operations. This may be the new norm for 21st Century warfare, but it means there rarely is a decisive blow delivered, due to the risks involved initiating it.
It reminds me very much of how a cat ‘plays’ with its prey before administering the final killing blow. Playing though is not accurate, the cat is testing the level of resistance in its prey, conscious that to deliver the final strike exposes it to injuries, possibly debilitating, that might lead to death. Russia could end this now, but at what cost, if she has miscalculated her opponents capabilities? So Russia continues to fight the type of war that, whilst not ideal, is the best option available to achieve her strategic goals. Something the West have under thought, beyond ‘extend Russia’ by using Ukraine, sealing the fate of hundreds of thousands of people.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 9:28 utc | 229

Re: https://breakingdefense.com/2023/02/rand-experts-fear-stalemate-frozen-conflict-in-ukraine/
Posted by: qparker | Jul 29 2023 8:53 utc | 227
Thanks for posting. An interesting read from February 2023… a nice “hindsight” as it looks that Rand told them:
“Forget-about-it”, and a bunch of retired Generals and Hodges appear to have game planned exactly what we’re seeing. The plan for the big “counter offensive “. But of course, now that it’s total failure, “Ukraine didn’t follow the plan “… when according to this… they we’re supposed to run in with tanks, hit the Kerch Bridge, blah blah blah and apparently followed all these sage Generals advice to the letter… and here they are.
Anyways… great read… thx

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2023 9:52 utc | 230

Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 29 2023 4:06 utc | 210
Good call.
About all the ongoing arrest of Russian war bloggers, Simplicius has shared a Russian view of these schizopatriots. As always worth reading.

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 29 2023 10:14 utc | 231

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2023 9:52 utc | 231
Go and buy any, off the shelf simulation, either pencil and paper or computer and you would be able to predict the outcome. NATO have access to more sophisticated simulations, with a lot of the restrictors experienced by Ukraine present, that are often missing from the commercial products, and professional players, do you think their results were any different. It’s not a question of who knew and when did they know it, though the Nuland clan will try to spin it that way, it’s a question of, if everyone knew it, before it happened, why did no one do anything?
Any commentator/analyst that expresses any surprise at the end result of this offensive is either, disingenuous, incompetent, or a charlatan that should have all of their future comments and predictions either discounted entirely or approached with extreme care. NATO knew, they always knew, but did the Ukrainians?

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 10:15 utc | 232

@scepticalSOB, §221:
Yes, the DT was at least renowned for presenting debate by means of allowing opposing platforms, even if they made clear their own editorial view. As you say, they´ve done this on most topics, from corona to climate change.
The marked departure from this good sense in their coverage of the Ukraine war they will, I think, come to regret – because, with Kemp, de B-G, et al. they will look so foolish, hidebound and intolerant that it will destroy what was left of their reputation. Tobias Ellwood´s 77th doesn´t even allow criticism in comments.
How the mighty are fallen! DT was the last man standing of what was once a valuable British institution: a free press.

Posted by: John Marks | Jul 29 2023 10:16 utc | 233

I’m no elitist or academic.
I am just a simple engineer ….. albeit one with considerable military supply-chain experience.
I wouldn’t prostitute myself, or corrupt my mind, by reading the endless stream of choreographed BS that the UK MSM churn out on a daily basis.
There is only one permitted narrative – in the best traditions of Joseph Goebbels.
As for the sheeple – Never blame the victims.
God help them.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Jul 29 2023 10:25 utc | 234

qparker | Jul 29 2023 8:53 utc | 227
I stopped reading here: “ Can Russia, its oil-driven economy still largely unhurt by sanctions, resurrect rusty stockpiles of Soviet weapons and buy new technology from Iran, faster than the West can arm Ukraine?”

Posted by: scc | Jul 29 2023 10:51 utc | 235

Jul 29 2023 9:28 utc | 230
logistics! neither side has it for large unit maneuver.
russian line of communication are much shorter,
the nafo side is impaired by profits over quality, long distance, lack of ‘lift’ and the low suitability of their wunderwaffen

Posted by: paddy | Jul 29 2023 11:11 utc | 236

Vladislav, ‎hi!
All from that same forum of veterans ‎West ‎Point ‎Academy, ‎my ‎brother ‎pulled out a letter from one of the ‎forumanchans‎, which ‎ I posted an error in open access, but then I caught myself and lost it. Well, very interesting!
In the course of which the Ukrainians will inflict a serious military defeat on the Russians, they turned out to be untenable. The offensive has stuck in the Russian security zone, and for five weeks already the Ukrainians can’t break through even through the first line ‎Russian ‎ defense. In this case, losses in people and equipment are very large. In fact, forces for a deep breakthrough are no longer ‎left. ‎Combat efficiency of their brigades is low. ‎ The fighting efficiency of their brigades is low. ‎ The fighting efficiency of their brigades is low. ‎
In general, Ukrainians have changed a lot. If a year ago we were received with great enthusiasm and our military assistance inspired them, then today We have become cold ‎and ‎pragmatically ‎-‏ ‎consumer. The only thing we now hear is: Give us ATAKAMS, give us F-16, give us a lot of Abramsov, give us ‎we ‎shells! ‎effective. ‎It comes to the fact that, ‎on the remarks of advisers, ‎they ‎snarl ‎phrases: ‎”First, ‎go, ‎fight with the Russians, and then ‎will be teach us!”
At the same time, the level of training of the troops is constantly decreasing. Even the best ‎Ukrainian ‎brigades, which ‎a year ago ‎fought ‎successfully‎and were ‎full of ‎determination‎to defeat the Russians, ‎today ‎little than ‎differ ‎ from ordinary infantry brigades, which almost do not have heavy weapons and are equipped with all sorts of rabble, which is literally Ukrainian military registration and enlistment offices ‎grab on ‎street, like ‎in ‎times of ‎centenary ‎war ‎in Europe. ‎The reason ‎-‏ ‎huge ‎losses incurred by Ukrainians ‎for these ‎months. Most of those fighting since last spring have lost from half to two thirds of their personnel, and some ‎already ‎ changed their combat strength twice. As a result, these brigades have only permanent command and control, ‎which ‎themselves‎into ‎battles ‎not ‎enter‎and ‎only ‎manage‎combat‎actions‎from‎well‎protected‎command‎points.‎This‎led‎to‎ ‎to that, ‎ that the command of the brigades has lost its sense of responsibility for its soldiers and considers them solely as expendable material for the execution of that or ‎ other task. And it only reinforces the loss.
The second factor provoking losses is the demand of the command to protect equipment. ‎ artillery go only from us. There is no rhythm in these supplies. And part of the weapons is generally weakly compensated. Especially tanks, BMP and self -propelled guns. We have they are also ‎in warehouses ‎practically ‎no! And that’s why the Ukrainian command gave the order to stop using heavy armored vehicles on the battlefield until the breakthrough of the Russian defense and go to tactics attacks by small infantry units, believing that they will exhaust the Russians and force them under the pressure of continuous attacks delay your ‎forces.‏ ‎If ‎first ‎two ‎weeks ‎such ‎tactics ‎allowed ‎APU ‎a little ‎advance,
The general mood in the Ukrainian headquarters is despondency and anger. If last autumn a fire of determination burned in the eyes of the Ukrainian generals, they developed plans for future strikes and argued ‎ how to properly storm Perekop and Sevastopol, then now days begin with reports about the lack of advancement of attacking battalions, losses ‎techniques ‎and ‎remaining ‎stocks‎shells. reliability. In frank conversations, many Ukrainian senior officers now more often admit that they do not see any prospects for a successful completion wars.‏ ‎ The only hope that, strange as it may seem, many of them have, This is the hope for direct intervention of us in this war. But, again, many people here add that this hope is like faith in Santa Claus.
Separately, it must be said, what, how, any failure, the current unsuccessful offensive, has deepened the conflict in the Ukrainian military leadership. The Commander-in-Chief Zaluzny and the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces Syrsky frankly don’t endure each other and even avoid appearing together ‎on ‎meetings . Zaluzny, who returned to service after being seriously wounded, accuses Syrsky of being unscrupulous, that he agreed to start the offensive, Although the Armed Forces of Ukraine were not yet ready for him. It was categorical demands of “Marshal Gee” ‎actually supervising the conduct of the war against Russia) and ‎Zelensky ‎his ​​‎rebroadcast many times ‎on all ‎conferences ‎with the military. The healing is simply “lucky” not to be at this time at the helm. All this deepens and our conflict Millie and Austin, who definitely don’t endure friend friend and therefore act in dissonance. If there had been agreement and understanding between them, this adventure would hardly have begun with the advent of…
(c) Vlad Shurygin
https://t.me/ramzayiegokomanda – zinc

This apparently was written several weeks ago….
Since….. The Ukies again attempted large scale actions against Russian positions with minimal advances… major losses…
My gauge of how the war is going….
Shoigu is in the DPRK attending the 70th anniversary celebration of the end of the Korean War…
Putin is in St. Petersburg, chairing the African-Russian Summit..
Prigozhin is organizing Wagner’s activities in Africa… consequence a putsch in Niger…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 11:28 utc | 237

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 10:15 utc | 233
There is less missing from the more sophisticated simulations compared to the less sophisticated simulations than you would expect.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2023 9:52 utc | 231
How do you know it’s a total failure? I’ll agree it hasn’t moved forward as some would expect but it took over 2 months for the Wester allies to break out of Normandy in 1944 and that was with air superiority.
Posted by: qparker | Jul 29 2023 8:53 utc | 227
Stalemate means the Russian’s won’t be advancing either?

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 29 2023 11:45 utc | 238

Stalemate means the Russian’s won’t be advancing either?
Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 29 2023 11:45 utc | 240
I see a loss desperately being painted as a stalemate all over the place in the West in an ongoing fantasy reliving the past (the Korea solution without calling it that).

Posted by: qparker | Jul 29 2023 11:53 utc | 239

Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2023 2:37 utc | 206

As to the “sheeple”- what a dreadful expression that is

If you want to exempt the British from being called “sheeple” go ahead. I’m afraid I can’t offer the same service for the Germans. They believe in their lying media, and like a giant flock of sheep they followed them into making Russia their enemy, thereby inspiring similar behavior by other European states. If they were anything like thinking people, they would not buy the North Stream lies, but instead name the perpetrator and ask for consequences, and ask to shed a light on their chancellor’s role in the sabotage and its cover-up. They would not repeat the “Ukraine is winning” mantra and allow for their legislators to forbid public expression of arguments that put the SMO in perspective.
Germany is the European country that, if it were to use its remaining agency, could really make a difference for the better – during all the time since 2014. You may be able to imagine how unnerving it is to be surrounded every day by clueless sheeple with their transatlantic system of beliefs. (The AfD is currently at 20%)

Posted by: grunzt | Jul 29 2023 12:01 utc | 240

@grunzt
“If you want to exempt the British from being called “sheeple” go ahead. I’m afraid I can’t offer the same service for the Germans. They believe in their lying media, and like a giant flock of sheep they followed them into making Russia their enemy, thereby inspiring similar behavior by other European states. If they were anything like thinking people, they would not buy the North Stream lies, but instead name the perpetrator and ask for consequences, and ask to shed a light on their chancellor’s role in the sabotage and its cover-up.”
Well, a lot of Germans DON’T buy the Nord Stream lies, and they DO ask for consequences, but our lying media do not report about it. They also don’t report about the many protests that take place all over the country. https://www.facebook.com/groups/4204562592914359/?locale=de_DE

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 29 2023 12:19 utc | 241

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 29 2023 11:45 utc | 240
Commercial war games are just that, products that need people to buy them. The majority of wargamers are not interested in radio nets, logistics and arcs and boundaries, and fratricide; although rules now pay more than just lip service to morale, training levels or exhaustion, most gamers have a limited amount of time so fight accelerated combats. A Ukrainian force would still loose in most commercial simulations, however they would be far more effective than if playing a professional NATO simulation.
Operation Overlord was a beacon of success compared to this shit-show. For these reasons:
The major objective of successfully landing and linking the bridgeheads was achieved rapidly, Ukraine have only now achieved their first day objectives with reinforcements meant for D+4-7 objectives, who are themselves struggling to achieve D+2 phaselines (I believe they have come into contact with the first defence line (MLR) today), at D+54!!.
As I said in a previous post, Ukraine can bludgeon their way through the first MLR (ironically what NATO thought the Soviets would do in the Fulda Gap) but due to burning up her reserves she will not be able to exploit or hold her gains. The Allies suffered horrendous casualties but they had the reserves and logistic train to absorb them, Ukraine is already scraping the barrel for men, cannibalising damaged armour and rationing shells.
Whilst the German’s stubborn defence around Caen caused a major Allied re-think, it eventually led to the collapsing of the front. The Russian’s defence will do the opposite, as the defence screen troops fall back in good order to reinforce the first defence line and uncommitted reserves await any opportunity to launch counter attacks on the advancing Ukrainian spearheads.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 13:12 utc | 242

It’s sort of important to remember that the media has by and large been captured. There is no easy way to know what protests are really happening where that are not in support of the current anti Russia hatred.
For certain, the powers that be know their case against Russia is weak..they know exactly how they have behaved. Its why they need to lie about everything.
I’m not sure if it is everywhere but the youngest generations are detectably more stupid and more compliant than those who came before.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 29 2023 13:22 utc | 243

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/57282

Participants of the Russia-Africa summit from Nigeria sang the Russian anthem.
The video was published by the correspondent of the channel “Russia 1” Pavel Zarubin.
Beautiful!

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/57283

“Aides and the press have created a Potemkin presidency”: The New York Post ponders who truly rules the US.
“Biden is simply pretending to do his job. But will this charade collapse before he can secure another election victory? The media is collaborating with Biden’s team to mislead Americans about his fitness for office.
….

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/57256

⚡️ What is known about the attack on the SBU building in Dnipro
• The left wing of the building of the SBU administration in the Dnepropetrovsk region was partially destroyed. Judging by the nature of the arrival, a buried object or room located in the left wing was assigned to defeat, presumably.
• Claims that the building was empty and no one was there at the time of the impact do not stand up to scrutiny. In the parking lot of the SBU department on the street. Svyatoslav the Brave, d. 23, there were many cars, presumably, employees of the special services.
• Striking accuracy of arrival. The rest of the buildings around remained intact, a separate section of the building was destroyed. This is reminiscent of the attack on the GUR building in Kiev, which the Military Chronicle described in detail earlier.
• It is also curious that the strike was carried out without an air raid warning, all means of intercepting the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area, as well as target detection radars, could not identify the supposedly ballistic missile.
• Earlier, the speaker of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Yuriy Ignat, said that the Ukrainian air defense has nothing to shoot down high-speed ballistic missiles of the RF Armed Forces. This statement, as well as the accuracy of the arrival, suggests that Iskander OTRK ballistic missiles were most likely used on the building of the SBU administration in Dnipro.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 13:30 utc | 244

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 10:15 utc | 233
Seems that the American and NATO brass that planned the offensive came up with a stepwise process that required the best possible outcome at every step, otherwise no success. In the real world the offensive has been mostly a succession of failures, but that hasn’t stopped the so-called leaders and planners from pressing on, now neck deep in the big muddy. Magical thinking has become its own reality.

Posted by: Mike R | Jul 29 2023 13:33 utc | 245

https://t.me/intelslava/50235

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Arrival of a 9M723 missile from the Iskander-M OTRK at the SBU building in Dnepropetrovsk.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 13:53 utc | 246

Mike R no. 247
Just read over at sly news that Ukranians will “soon” enter Crimea.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 29 2023 13:56 utc | 247

… Magical thinking has become its own reality.
Posted by: Mike R | Jul 29 2023 13:33 utc | 247

The offensive never made any sense without, at the very least, sufficient counter-drone, counter-battery and AA potential.
There’s more to pulling the trigger on this offensive than just bad planning and a lot more than bad planing in the decision to keep funnelling conscripts into the breach.
“To the last Ukrainian” is a sub-goal in itself.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 14:01 utc | 248

From Military Chronicle Telegram Channel…..
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/milchronicles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
The video of the execution of a convoy of Ukrainian Armed Forces vehicles in the Zaporozhye direction is noteworthy for several reasons at once.
Firstly, a group of Ukrainian armored vehicles is moving along a narrow security corridor, which is not completely cleared of mines. It is clearly seen how, after the start of the battle, some vehicles from the column are blown up by mines. For a breakthrough, US-made MaxxPro light armored vehicles are again used, and only two tanks are used as fire cover. This is clearly not enough to achieve fire superiority in a narrow, bottleneck-like sector of the offensive.
Secondly, the place of the battle was studied in advance by artillerymen and scouts of the RF Armed Forces. The first T-72B3 tank of the RF Armed Forces arrives at the place of arrival of the APU convoy in just a couple of minutes and starts firing on the move. This suggests that the place where the Ukrainian convoy ended up was prepared as a fire bag.
Thirdly, judging by the actions of the tank crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the head of the column, the Ukrainian military did not expect to meet resistance here or did not know that the firing lines of the Russian Armed Forces were located here. Ukrainian tanks do not fire, as required by the rules of battle, and for several minutes they are trying to detect a Russian tank that jumped out onto the column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine unexpectedly and right in the forehead. At this time, the crew of the Russian tank shoots the first part of the ammunition, knocks out both tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and retreats to change positions.
In addition, the Ukrainian infantry does not leave the wrecked armored vehicles and, apparently, hopes that the tanks will cover the group with fire. However, the opposite happens: the first Russian tank returns to the battlefield with reinforcements, and armored vehicles continue to destroy the UAF column at close range.
As a result of the ambush, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost eight pieces of equipment and about 50 personnel. The two Russian tanks that destroyed the column, after completing the task, calmly retreat to their original positions without damage.
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After the publication of footage of the defeat of the UAF convoy near Novodarovka in the Zaporozhye region, accusations were poured against the RF Armed Forces that the same attacks were published several times. Here’s what you need to understand about it.
Firstly, the crew of the T-72B3, who jumped onto the convoy with equipment and single-handedly shot the first two tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and several armored vehicles in a few minutes, shows an incredible level of professionalism.
It is worth recalling that the Ukrainian troops that were ambushed were equipped with modern weapons, drones for reconnaissance and received information about the movements of the Russian Armed Forces from NATO intelligence, but after the first explosions of equipment, all assistance was reset in a few minutes.
Secondly, few people noticed that the tank arrived at the place of accumulation of the Armed Forces in just two minutes, after which it began to conduct rapid fire from a prepared position. This once again confirms that the Ukrainian troops in this area were waiting and the effect of surprise was used not by the attackers, but by the defenders, which is generally surprising, given the reserve and combat capabilities accumulated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Thirdly, the absence of artillery fire in the first minutes of the battle is quite logical. Artillery fires at coordinates and works across areas, and in this case there was a risk of covering the crew of the T-72B3 tank with fire. If you watch the episode in its entirety, you can clearly see that after the crew of the tank worked and retreated under the cover of the second vehicle (it approached after the main phase of the shooting of the column), the Russian artillery finished off the damaged equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine without risk to friendly forces.
Fourthly, the accusations that the mines did half the work for the tank crew look completely ridiculous. Minefields, the work of which the Military Chronicle spoke in detailearlier, they were just invented in order to do half the work on the battlefield. It is noteworthy that their density is high even on the 55th day of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and this problem is not solved by the Ukrainian army for many reasons.
It is also important to note something else. The Ukrainian military is dying en masse on the front line without fire cover, and scarce Western equipment at this time is in hangars for security purposes, especially after the footage of the defeat of the Leopard column and the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle spread around the world media .
The loss of people of the Armed Forces of Ukraine seems to worry much less than the loss of equipment. Tanks and infantry fighting vehicles will be much more difficult to get a second time. This approach inevitably leads to the depletion of the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, regardless of what type of attacks (local or brigade) are used for strikes.
Video from a different angle from Novodarovka once again confirms that the defense of the RF Armed Forces is built correctly and works.

The above describes why the Ukies have no success on the battlefield…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 14:05 utc | 249

Posted by: Mike R | Jul 29 2023 13:33 utc | 247
‘You can ignore reality, what you can’t do is ignore the consequences of ignoring reality’, the maxim of our age, unfortunately.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 29 2023 13:56 utc | 249
You mean the way the German soldiers entered Moscow in the summer of ‘44, I think they even had a parade.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 14:08 utc | 250

Ukraine has millions who can fight they have not let adult males leave the country since the war started. This war will go on for a while
They have been taken hostage and sold to the world as corrupt Nazi thieves. This is to dehumanize them so nobody cares that they die. The mojority of them are like the rest of the world and don’t want to die or fight a war.
If the west lets Russia win the rest of the world will tell us to F right off and stand up against us, they will sacrifice millions of Poles, Ukrainians, British,French and all the rest before they let this happen. Hopefully they just give the Russians and the Chinese a seat at the table before things spiral out of hand.

Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2023 14:27 utc | 251

General Surovikin 🖤💛🤍@_Surovikin_
One person alone on a field is not a warrior, unless that person is a Russian.
A lone tank vs 8 chub vehicles.
https://twitter.com/_Surovikin_/status/1685187461293481984
1:42 – Ukrainian vehicles moving from “sector 124” to “sector 144”
3:45 – “SPG, do you see vehicles?”
4:10 – Russian tank retreats
4:11 – “Tell them to cover with AGS”
4:12 – First tank hit, other vehicles stop near it; Russian operators demand more strikes
5:22 – Russian “kamikaze” tank decides to go back
5:45 – direct hit on Ukrainian vehicles (or mines?)
5:57 – Russian tank joins the party; “fucking faggot’s turret flew the fuck away” (c) operator
6:37 – more hits, “kamikaze” finishes off the enemies
7:46 – Russian tank retreats again
9:30 – Russian tank goes back to reengage the enemy
📌 Hero! Sergeant Dorzhiev unit’s was the man responsible for destroying an entire enemy convoy of 8 vehicles (2 tanks, 6 APCs).
His unit coupled with support from artillery were able to destroy an entire enemy convoy which was rotating and preparing for an offensive against our troops.
🙏 We hope he and his unit receive state awards.

Posted by: Citan | Jul 29 2023 14:48 utc | 252

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 14:05 utc | 251
Just in time, with just enough, the workings of the correlation of forces and means engine on display. Excellent, aggressive tactics from the Russian tankers, similar to the account of the Irish mercenary, last week. Infantry not debussing, when under fire, is a clear indicator of poorly trained troops. Bottom line, armies with poor morale do not defend like this, armies with supposedly good morale do not attack like this.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 14:57 utc | 253

https://t.me/llordofwar/181684

⚡️Zaporozhye NPP completed the transfer of the 5th power unit to the “cold shutdown” mode, the 4th unit was transferred to the “hot shutdown” — IAEA

https://t.me/llordofwar/181686

The difference between a normal shutdown and a cold shutdown is essentially in that the fuel has gone completely or almost completely cold.[6] In a typical shutdown, regular levels of coolant are still required, and the fuel remains reasonably hot, as it continues to react. In a cold shutdown, the coolant system is typically lowered to pump water at atmospheric pressure, and the reactor vessel remains below 93 °C (200 °F), and water passing through it will not boil.[6]
A cold shutdown is typically employed when operators need to access the reactor vessel for maintenance, fuel replenishing, or when the reactor has suffered damage of some kind that requires repairs. When a reactor is in cold shutdown, the fuel and control rods can be safely removed and exchanged, and maintenance can be performed. However, once a reactor has gone into a cold shutdown, it requires more time and energy to restart the reaction than if it had been hot.[7]

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 15:02 utc | 254

Ukraine has millions who can fight they have not let adult males leave the country since the war started.

Respectfully disagree. barflies estimated a few weeks ago that roughly 12 million people live in the area controlled by NATO/Kiev. Maybe even less than 12 million, some estimates are as low as 5 million.
Approximately 10 million Ukranians citizens live in the EU+. ( half left 2014-2021 and half left after 2021). 6 million fled to RF. 7 million live in LPR, DPR, and Crimea.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2023 15:36 utc | 255

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/37337

TRANSPARENT BATTLEFIELD: PERVASIVE INTELLIGENCE
Even though the commercial drone lifespan is about 6 flights on average it gives even small units a level of intelligence unknown until this war.
Combined with other bigger and more powerful means of intel such as space based and airborne systems, you have an unprecedented level of “transparency” of the battlefield which makes large scale maneuver type operations practically impossible or at least, HIGHLY costly

It’s not pervasive surveillance on its own so much as combining it with near-pervasive firepower.
Forget ATGMs and other stuff that’s man portable or relatively light weight / short range. For scale, Tornado-S rocket artillery has a range of 120km with 250kg warhead, just how hard would it be to guide that onto a target vehicle spotted by an unarmed surveillance drone? There would hardly be anything recognisable left.
Just how cheaply could that sort of rocket be mass produced?

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 15:47 utc | 256

@Exile
I have no Idea where you got that number from they had 40+ million people in 2020.

Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2023 15:58 utc | 257

@ 252
Ukraine has millions who can fight they have not let adult males leave the country since the war started. This war will go on for a while.
With Ukraine’s military conscription policy of 8 to 80 blind, cripple, or crazy
I guess your statement could be true.

Posted by: Golddigger | Jul 29 2023 16:02 utc | 258

Posted by: Citan | Jul 29 2023 14:48 utc | 254

📌 Hero! Sergeant Dorzhiev unit’s was the man responsible for destroying an entire enemy convoy of 8 vehicles (2 tanks, 6 APCs).

Those Yakhuts certainly take things personally …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2023 16:04 utc | 259

I have no Idea where you got that number from they had 40+ million people in 2020.
Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2023 15:58 utc | 259
Why don’t you keep up with previous threads? 12 million sounds too low, perhaps 20 mill is more reasonable.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 29 2023 16:11 utc | 260

Regarding RITTER
I have been becoming more suspect of Scott Ritter’s “analyses” in the past couple of months. The inconsistencies he’s been exhibiting, from gung-ho cheerleading of Russia rolling across Ukraine one day, to subdued “explanations” about how they don’t have that capacity the next, have an odour about them which I have yet to decipher. They can’t be simply dismissed as a “mercurial personality”.
I may be quite wrong, but I detect a disingenuous element running through his various appearances. The latest conversation with Garland Nixon is a good example. There is a sense he’s “mouthpiecing” for someone in it, especially where he’s talking about the alleged “Oligarch/Haas group” negotiations after laying the groundwork that “Russia doesn’t really want Kharkiv”, etc. Its almost like he’s pushing someone’s barrow.
It can’t help but raise suspicions about the bone fides of his comments.
If we then compare it to what the Duran is saying about exactly the same thing today, one has to ask if Ritter might not be disclosing some unacknowledged interest.
I don’t know the answer – but 40 years cross-examining people tends to give one a nose for these things. Apologies to Ritter if I’m misreading this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44BHx6r4MvU (Ritter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYvqzybt5Tw (Duran)

Posted by: HOGGY | Jul 29 2023 16:14 utc | 261

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 15:47 utc | 258
Not just large scale, any manoeuvre is risky unless completely hidden from observation. Small unit tactics of find, fix, flank and destroy normally require covered approaches or defilade to succeed, all made more difficult to utilise, thanks to drones. I think the drone’s dominance in this conflict is going to be the reason why they will have a reduced impact, next conflict. Just as the Egyptian AT tactics in ‘73 spurred the development of composite/reactive armours and specialised overwatch tactics, significantly reducing the efficacy of ATGM’s and RPG’s, militaries are going to be heavily investing in anti-drone technologies.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 16:20 utc | 262

@Laguerre
The majority of Ukrainian refugees that went to Russia are from the east they should not be counted twice, a lot of people moved west from the east when the war started. No males have been allowed to leave since the war started.
8-10 million refugees including the ones that fled to Russia, the 6 or 7 million in the EU are women and children they don’t even count for war numbers.
He said like 12 or even 5 million people total and you suggest I keep up? Sheesh
they can dig up 4 million healthy soldiers easily.

Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2023 16:35 utc | 263

@ anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 15:47 utc | 258
Just how cheaply could that sort of rocket be mass produced?
Tornado S 300 mm system has 17 different warheads and their range depends on a payload. Mostly max is between 70-90 km for the most variants of 9M5xx type. Only guided ones go around 200 km. Minimum targeting is around 22 km.
Most effective for such situations would be 9M533 with a self-aiming sub-munition warhead having 5 x 17.5 kg anti-armor slow descending missiles. Them are suited for groups of armored vehicles and tanks. Very deadly, but not cheap.
So, I guess, with the idea of using combined arms, those mainly play the role in neutralizing hi-value targets, such as static or advancing tank groupings, combined armor staging points etc., not really inexpensive for use against flimsy Bradleys, Kozaks and M113.
I think two of 17 types are guided or with GLONASS or with a laser designator, that Orlan UAV already has built in. The same designator is used for the 152 mm Krasnopol precision shells.
I am pretty sure that those big and expensive rockets are sparsely used, so far.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 29 2023 16:51 utc | 264

You mean the way the German soldiers entered Moscow in the summer of ‘44, I think they even had a parade.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 14:08 utc | 252
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Precious! Much appreciated. Coffee snorting material!

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 17:28 utc | 265

Ukraine has millions who can fight they have not let adult males leave the country since the war started.
Just because they’re not allowed to leave, doesn’t mean they haven’t fled.
I’m sure that a nice business is happening smuggling UKRAINE males out of the country. Bribe a Polish, Hungarian, or Romanian guard, pay the middleman, get to Schengen zone and never look back.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 29 2023 18:11 utc | 266

I have no Idea where you got that number from they had 40+ million people in 2020.
Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2023 15:58 utc | 259

Apparently, you failed arithmetic….
10 Million in Eu
7 Million in Russia
10 Million in DonBas
———————–
= 27 Million no longer under Ukie control minus 1 Million Combat dead/wounded
Gives
12 Million Remaining….
Of which the majority are female pensioners
Less male pensioners…
Less children under the age of 16
Leaves according to demographics I’ve seen ~ 50,000 males in each age group between 18 – 48 or
1 Million military aged males of which 300,000 are in uniform… leaving 700,000 to run the economy, including maintenance and repair of war materiel, and logistics.
As I reported above, Ukraine is scraping the bottom of the barrel manpower wise…
Ukraine has lost the majority of it’s junior officers and NCOs… Surviving officers lead from the rear to stay alive… Training is non-existent. Combat efficiency is zero..
Best indicator of the state of affairs….
Ukraine must rob Zaproziche Offensive to defend Oskol River…
This similar to Whermacht state of affairs in 1943 following Stalingrad debacle…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 18:13 utc | 267

Anyone have any comments about what Simplicius wrote in a recent post?
Simplicius reports that Lukashenko has stated that Belarus will not allow Poland to move into Ukraine, and that Lukashenko also formally requested that Russia review his plans for action, implying that Russia would coordinate with them. Simplicius provides a map that explains Lukashenko’s concerns, and he states that Polish brigades are being transferred toward the Belarus border.
If Belarus takes military action against Poland, I don’t see how the Russians can stay out of it. Lukashenko may also see it that way, too. Russia has just put tactical nukes in Belarus and I don’t think they can tell Lukashenko to take a hike.
Excerpt from the beginning of his long report:
Polish brigades are being transferred toward the Belarus border
The plan is being developed for Poland to annex Western Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine joining NATO
The big point: Partition of Ukraine is unacceptable to Belarus. And if necessary, Belarus is ready to ‘act’ to keep Poland from enveloping it from the southern direction
Lukashenko instructs Putin to do an official overview with the Russian MOD about Belarus’s decision to act—potentially militarily—against Poland should they attempt to annex western Ukraine
A few things to unpack here. Firstly, one must remember that these ‘front-facing’ interactions are pretty much theater. They are stage performances meant to convey to the public what has already been discussed and decided on behind closed doors. Anything Lukashenko brought to bear was chosen very precisely to be spoken and understood, not only for the public audience, but specifically for Polish and NATO leadership as well.
The most significant take away is the fact that he appears to imply that Belarus would be forced to react militarily to any Polish annexation of western Ukraine. The stated reason is that Belarus is already surrounded by the Balts and Poles on east and west, and he cannot allow the state to be strategically compromised from the south as well
. [emphasis added]

Posted by: Perimetr | Jul 29 2023 18:20 utc | 268

It finally happened…. Russian engineers updated their AAM software…
Crushing Failure Of Massive Strike Of Storm Shadow Missiles On Railway To Crimea
South Front, Jul 29 2023
On Jul 29, the Russian governor of the Kherson region Vladimir Saldo declared that the air defense of the Russian Federation shot down 12 Storm Shadow missiles that attacked the railway to the Crimea. The massive attack with expensive foreign missiles aimed at destroying the railway but it failed. The local authorities confirmed some minor damage to the railway facilities by wreckage of the missiles but the Ukrainian military did not disrupt the railway traffic. The governor wrote in his Telegram channel:
Last night, the militants of the Kiev regime attempted to destroy the railway between the Kherson region and Crimea, firing 12 long-range Storm Shadow missiles. All the missiles were shot down by our air defense. In one place, the fallen fragments of expensive foreign weapons, handed over to the Kiev clique by the West for “peaceful purposes,” slightly damaged the booth of track walker and the attachment line. By the time I write these words, the damage has already been repaired by the repair team.

From now on…. Stormshadow missile attacks will increasingly prove ineffective…
BECAUSE….
Russian AAM systems now can reliably intercept/interdict them…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 18:24 utc | 269

One person alone on a field is not a warrior, unless that person is a Russian.
Not sure, but I think this is a reference to a Russian saying, “One soldier on the battlefield is not an army.”.

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Jul 29 2023 18:47 utc | 270

@ Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 18:24 utc | 271
that is positive news.. thanks.. wonder how much those missiles cost? seems nato has an unlimited budget here.. no money for the people back home in the uk, unless they work in the missile plant.. everyone else gets left out..

Posted by: james | Jul 29 2023 18:48 utc | 271

Scott Ritter and other military analysts periodically modify their predictions because they overestimated the intelligence and underestimated the corrupt Western decision makers willingness to protect their money laundering operations to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.

Posted by: Willow | Jul 29 2023 19:35 utc | 272

Channel about the war facts “>https://t.me/battleinsightsRU
Posted by: battleinsightsRU | Jul 29 2023 19:34 utc | 279
You must be new here.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 29 2023 19:43 utc | 273

Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 16:20 utc | 264
There was a TG post only the other day with a report from the front on successfully repulsed UA attacks that remarked on the absolute necessary of drone surveillance. The implication being that any surveillance edge for or against is now counted directly in lives, and loss of surveillance coverage spells disaster.
Yes, that sound very plausible, drones are running amok right now, counter-drone might be able to level things out quite a bit. Drone “mesh” comms and possibly optical comms seem to be coming down the pipeline so it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Have you seen the new Zala tube-launched drone? The form factor and placement of deployable aerodynamic surfaces open up the interesting possibility of using a disposable booster rocket to deliver the drone much further and faster than it could travel under its own power. There’s a whole middle ground of under-explored technology between RC’esq drones and lower spec military rockets (e.g. kamikaze drones now fitted with RPG warheads).
Posted by: whirlX | Jul 29 2023 16:51 utc | 266
Great analysis, respect!
Tornado-S was just for scale, agreed that current warheads, availability and pricing are not geared to a more generic role. Actually 300mm calibre is arguably too big for general usage anyway.
Probably a range of rocket-delivered warheads in a range of calibers from Grad (120mm) upwards, utilising existing rockets, warheads and launch vehicles where possible but adding appropriate guidance modules, unitary anti-armour warhead types and even glide wings for range extension would seem to be the logical and economical development path.
The BM-21 Grad rockets are actually very powerful weapons but rather low accuracy so currently relegated to area coverage. They are cheap and would be absolutely deadly if they could be guided onto individual targets.
The ability to fire over longer ranges to evade counter-fire and to fire from unmanned platforms / positions is also something that artillery rockets are well suited to.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 19:44 utc | 274

Zero Hedge: US Army General Dies In Plane Crash
“Potts was the only person in the single-engine plane when it went down in a field July 25.”
Or perhaps he was killed in Ukraine?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 29 2023 19:48 utc | 275

Posted by: battleinsightsRU | Jul 29 2023 19:34 utc | 279
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“b” can you remove some of this guy’s comments. He seems to have a problem, could be first time contributor.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 29 2023 19:48 utc | 276

⚡️Since June 4, Ukraine has lost 415 tanks, and 2/3 of the equipment lost in the battles is Western – Putin

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/6325

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 29 2023 20:01 utc | 277

Scott Ritter said that Youtube has taken down his two-part documentary on Zelensky.
I commented that banning the work will just make more people want to see it. So I got a reply from his team, pointing to the new link. Please share this link on any other fora where you think there could be interest!
@USTourofDutyPodcasts
2 hours ago
OK, I’ll think about how we can turn lemons into lemonade as you suggest. Thank you. In the meanwhile, here’s where you can see it: https://rumble.com/v2zs3r0-a-scott-ritter-investigation-agent-zelensky-part-1.html

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 20:13 utc | 278

Ritter doc on Zelensky part 1&2 also here
https://natyliesbaldwin.com/2023/07/scott-ritter-investigation-agent-zelensky-part-1/

Posted by: AG | Jul 29 2023 20:20 utc | 279

More comments about the Daily Telegraph that I find interesting.
One chap said he had fought against the Tories for 40 years and so the DT is a no no for him.
Well, I am no Tory, but I would appreciate a newspaper that, whatever it’s overall slant, allowed some balanced reporting, discussion, and even disagreement over world events. In fact, as ex-labour party (active for a time) member it would be great if the slant was even leftish in some papers that provided such analysis.
Since the Blair years I do not believe that Labour is the party of the working class or the any other class other than metropolitan elites. I’ve never been able to read the Guardian, then or now – it makes me want to vomit, for all kinds of reasons. I don’t even have it bookmarked.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 22:02 utc | 280

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2023 0:34 utc | 201
It is rather uncomfortable for me to view rules of war, with war in all cases being such a deplorable activity–for people as well as their environment. But war has existed since when? Since forever. And the purpose always is a destruction of environment, lives, and even whole civilizations.
But sure, let’s have rules, and since they will still be broken, then let us have a penalty of stopping all war! Oh wait, we tried that last century and it failed, quickly.
War is about population reduction, always. This war, following the COVID population reduction, should not surprise anyone.

Posted by: HelenB | Jul 29 2023 22:50 utc | 281

Frontline numbers KIA from MOD today are down, Dima I think tracks the numbers…..to me just more carnage. A rear strike on Rostov, military HQ it’s said, a major attack on the Kherson Crimea bridge…..Russia finds the SBU building and destroys it…another CnC left untouched for over a year+. They know where the command centres are, yet they slaughter men who have no desire to be there…..save for the Nazi hoards. Criminal to not take out all those CnC’s from the beginning…..spare me the excuses.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 29 2023 23:12 utc | 282

Scott Ritter and other military analysts periodically modify their predictions because they overestimated the intelligence and underestimated the corrupt Western decision makers willingness to protect their money laundering operations to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.
Posted by: Willow | Jul 29 2023 19:35 utc | 280
Scott Ritter and other military analysts to my mind – untutored observer seeking facts and understanding – analyse nothing. Not reliable ‘take to the bank’ analysis. They simply mouth the same attitude for well over a year now. Without ‘analysis’. It’s just an overall observation. It’s merely their opinion.
For the whole of this year Ukraine has been ‘on its knees’, so to speak, if you believe what these ‘analysts’ are telling. But to this very day they mount attacks up and down the line and people claiming to know things argue about what resources they may have available: i.e. nothing is known for sure.
Vast areas of the military scene are unreported by them: un-‘analysed’. The internal state of the Russian army for instance, from top down, all throughout, the radical surgery that was required to whip it into shape.
Tactics ignored: how did Wagner achieve such success?
Nature of war ignored: completely different warfare when drones can see you, target you, even attack you at any time. When night is even clearer than day for some purposes. ‘Analysed’ by them? Ignored.
Fundamental military realities ignored together with commensurate contradictions in their pronunciations. Like Ritter has from the beginning constantly reiterated with some passion that when ‘they meet the Russian army’ then ‘all hell will break loose’. That all the Kiev Ukrainians have met so far (going back to ’22) is Donbas ‘militia’ but when they meet the ‘real’ soldiers of the mighty Russian army well then it’ll be an enormously different story.
Bunk. Rubbish.
But that bunkum predicted massive ‘Russian’ overwhelming surges across the nation. Why? Where’s the ‘military analysis’ in that? What purpose for a military attack all across the Ukraine? Where is the measure of the logistic support required, the manpower required, the materiel ? Nowhere, nothing. Just an off-the-cuff childish prediction of ‘superman meet evil baddie and powers through’.
What benefit to Russia to occupy and have to administer and hold thousands of square miles of hostile countryside? Where’s the ‘military analysis’ in that?
‘military analysis’ predicates some acumen, some keen ability to detect nuance and detail. On the macroscopic and the microscopic. It predicates above average ability. Awareness. Awareness of all pertinent aspects.
What’s THE most notable aspect of this war? That is it is a PR war. Many people say that. It is no secret as an idea and it is not wrong. Clearly it is a PR war. The USA, the world’s most notable outlaw nation, master of PR, is labelling Russia a ‘evil’. More than that: it labels outlaw Kiev Ukraine as ‘Ukraine’ and completely ignores the 10 million Donbas Ukrainians that Kiev seeks to victimise, whose land it invaded and still occupies, whom it intends to ‘ethnic cleanse’ for the ‘crime’ of Russian heritage.
A PR victory that should go down in the annals for all time.
Like the religious say in their books about the devil – something about his most effective trick being to convince you he’s an angel.
Well that’s what we have here. Clear as day. Okay?
So what’s going on when these ‘military analysts’ use the language of the Americans and call ‘Kiev Ukraine’ Ukraine? As though Kiev Ukraine were the whole of Ukraine? As though Donbas Ukraine and Ukrainians do not exist nor ever did? As though the whole reason for the war doesn’t exist?
What is that? Keenly aware detailed military analysis or simply lazy facile mimicry of prevailing American propaganda?
The military analysts that I, at least, want I can only seem to get from Russian sources. Not truly technically ‘military analysis’ but information of an about the military that allows me to know more and think for myself on what might be the case. So, reading komsomolskaya pravda for instance and substack slavsquat and roloslavsky and checking russian telegram (and kiev ukrainian) gives me far more than any of our ‘military analysts’ do.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 29 2023 23:27 utc | 283

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 18:13 utc | 269
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Dr. George, was it you (?) who said the Russia just repelled 12 Ukraine missiles aimed at the Kerch Bridge today? I read it this morning around 10 or 11 o’clock central standard time but can’t find it now. Was it a hoax? Can someone help me with this?

Posted by: Ed | Jul 29 2023 23:28 utc | 284

Arthur, good for you. I seems that you have found places to meet some of your needs.
Your criticism directed to these pages reflect your needs and likely not many of ours. To what benefit do you offer your criticism?
I, myself enjoy a large number of authors here, our host included, a former tanker. I especially enjoy detailed comments from those with land warfare experience, including detailed historical and military historical knowledge. Adding that the economic and geopolitical insights from many others scattered across a number of continents I find most valuable.
There are also authors here with detailed knowledge of the various war toys and their uses. Best wishes.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 23:39 utc | 285

On Jul 29, the Russian governor of the Kherson region Vladimir Saldo declared that the air defense of the Russian Federation shot down 12 Storm Shadow missiles that attacked the railway to the Crimea. The massive attack with expensive foreign missiles aimed at destroying the railway but it failed. The local authorities confirmed some minor damage to the railway facilities by wreckage of the missiles but the Ukrainian military did not disrupt the railway traffic. The governor wrote in his Telegram channel:
Dr. George, was it you (?) who said the Russia just repelled 12 Ukraine missiles aimed at the Kerch Bridge today? I read it this morning around 10 or 11 o’clock central standard time but can’t find it now. Was it a hoax? Can someone help me with this?
Posted by: Ed | Jul 29 2023 23:28 utc | 292
No Ed, was not a hoaxl…
But missiles targeted critical and key rail corridor…
All defeated…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 23:49 utc | 286

@Ed | Jul 29 2023 23:28 utc | 292
These missiles were not aimed at the Kerch bridge, but on the railway between Crimea and Kherson according to TASS.

Posted by: OttoE | Jul 29 2023 23:59 utc | 287

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 23:49 utc | 294
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Thank you too, Dr. George for responding. I see now that I have got my wires crossed and my facts wrong.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 30 2023 0:13 utc | 288

anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 19:44 utc | 282
The ability to fire over longer ranges to evade counter-fire and to fire from unmanned platforms / positions is also something that artillery rockets are well suited to.
True, but somehow I think that RF doesn’t throw the ‘bestest’ weaponry on Ukrainians, as yet.
Reactive artillery is really very expensive and anything that is ‘intelligent’, even a little, is not cheap.
Soviets have studied dumb munition well, and they know distribution of impact points, do have diagrams of effective damage area, and certainly know their shell layouts.
So. in theory and in practice dumb can do well. if calculated very precise and fired from a stable launch platform. Soviet/RF stuff is very stable and it doesn’t wobble like HIMARS, as that miraculous waffe cannot fire salvos of dumb rockets, nowhere near precise, as RF’s stuff. Scatter is too big to even try, I think fire and impact distribution from 300 up to 600+ m at the standard distance of 50 or so km. That is a big miss in ballistics, and the USA calls it, not out of the blue, ‘a danger close’.
All MRLS small, medium and heavy can be networked and operated by a very small crew. There are also programmable, as in sequences and a fire order on 3 presets. Intern (which tube fires when) and external (which platform fires first or next or all together), they also have patterns, or ammo type sort, etc. Very devastating, but used very little as a combination, so far.
Saving fancy salvos for NATO? Perhaps.
But, indeed, smaller reactive caliber might be even more precise and perhaps cheaply redone to be guided.
We’ll see how the optoelectrical industry moves on. Whole lotta innovation happens right now.
I mean RF is still firing Krasnopol from 1993. Russia also offloads its old stuff.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 30 2023 0:27 utc | 289

Thanks to the folks providing MOD and other updates….specifically the 12 Storm Shadows being intercepted.
3 weeks until BRICS+ meeting in SA and global private finance empire has its back against the wall. Will any amount of carnage stop the move toward a non-private finance world?
The shit show of the God Of Mammon cult continues until it doesn’t. Will it be a poor loser and destroy humanity because it can’t stand to be wrong and called on it by the rest of humanity? I suspect if it were Biden’s choice, he might want to take the extinction route, but we assume one of his more protected handlers/puppeteers is in control.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 30 2023 0:40 utc | 290

psychohistorian | Jul 30 2023 0:40 utc | 299
Petty is as petty does.
If G7 can’t BRICS, then the U$ is now thwarting China being represented at ASEAN.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 30 2023 1:09 utc | 291

@whirlX
Multiple posts, multiple threads, multiple months.
Have been educated by you, thanks.
Appreciate the condensed explanations you provide.
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> Photo. US Army Major General Anthony W Potts takes notes during a discussion at Camp Kosciusko on Feb 7, 2023 in Poznań Poland.
> July, 2023. Reported to die in a single person plane crash (a week after an major NATO medical evacuation rescue mission from Ukraine to Poland).
🤡🤣
Australia… And the 4-person helicopter downing is 98-2 % a genuine fukup.
Same type of chopper went into the drink in March.. all 10 back then were rescued.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 30 2023 1:10 utc | 292

@Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 29 2023 23:27 utc | 291

So, reading komsomolskaya pravda for instance and substack slavsquat and roloslavsky and checking russian telegram (and kiev ukrainian) gives me far more than any of our ‘military analysts’ do.

Slavsquat is a Riley Waggaman. Enough sad.

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jul 30 2023 1:23 utc | 293

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 30 2023 0:27 utc | 298
I think they might have decided to show their “bestest” on the storm shadows. Might damage British sales just a tad.
Taking out 12 seems almost like Kiev taking out 8 Kinzhals when only 2 were fired. The the Russians may hide/fudge disasters but they do not really exaggerate too much on shoot downs.
However we have visual evidence of a lone gunman (in a tank) taking pout 8 outlaws (in armoured vehicles) at the shoot out at the OK Corral so 12 storm shadows with two guys and a can of tomatoes or two is possible – especially if they have done some reverse engineering and locked on to their frequency or whatever.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 30 2023 1:43 utc | 294

More info on the downed/drowned heli in Queensland.
Wreck has been found and recovery underway.
4 ADF were based at Holsworthy, Sydney.
>>>… A Black Hawk was also involved in the training exercise.
[that was omitted in the first ?70+ (§) “breaking” news bulletins….]
…> The Taipan helis have proven so unreliable they are scheduled to be decommissioned in 2024…..
[Wait. What? / Why haven’t they been sent to Ukraine already??… ]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CYsIduNfjU&list=RDNSHBiG_YtqhoE&index=11

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 30 2023 2:44 utc | 295

Some videos for today.
One Russian tank stops enemy column of seven vehicles (two tanks and five other armored vehicles):
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/Tank-battle-ukr:f
Russian Lancet destroys another enemy armored vehicle on the Zaporozhye front:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/iye844wYWtMDgAeC:f
Russian drone destroys enemy armored personnel carrier:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/video_2023-07-29_12-09-42:8
Russian Ka-52 destroys enemy stronghold:
https://rutube.ru/video/ea33e93dee9c1573a56ae673072d92e7/
The Kiev regime’s military continues getting bludgeoned on the Zaporozhye front:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/vdv3sdfsddsf:a
The LPR’s Prizrak Brigade beat off an enemy attack near the DPR’s Artemovsk:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/IMG_3742:e
Large strike destroys Kiev regime military squad near the DPR’s Avdeyevka:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/avdv:9

Posted by: Nate | Jul 30 2023 2:58 utc | 296

Regarding the speculation of Poland getting involved there is the following sub heading from Reuters

More Wagner fighters move closer to Polish border, Poland PM says

Is Poland ready to take on Wagner?
Would the proxy of the proxy take place in Poland, Belarus or Ukraine?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 30 2023 5:37 utc | 297

psychohistorian | 306
I thick this is posturing by Belarus and Wagner. I think the signal being sent to Poland is that if Poland enters Ukraine for any reason, Belarus and Wagner will enter Poland from the rear.

Posted by: Jerr008 | Jul 30 2023 5:46 utc | 298

Does anyone know why the latest Judging Freedom YouTube video with Scott Ritter is blocked to anyone not logged in, on age-restriction grounds?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR294YJmGeM
Also, are there any other platforms that host this content (Rumble, etc.)?

Posted by: tawharanui | Jul 30 2023 5:50 utc | 299

308,
No problem here. However, we can’t access to Rumble in France and the rest of EU?

Posted by: jean levant | Jul 30 2023 6:20 utc | 300