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July 27, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-180
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Toby C | Jul 29 2023 1:10 utc | 201 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Jul 29 2023 1:16 utc | 202 dh@197 Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2023 1:25 utc | 203 Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2023 1:25 utc | 204 Posted by: dh | Jul 29 2023 1:35 utc | 204 dh@205 Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2023 2:37 utc | 205 bevin | Jul 29 2023 2:37 utc | 206 Posted by: dh | Jul 29 2023 2:52 utc | 206 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 28 2023 23:31 utc | Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 29 2023 2:56 utc | 207 These current Queensland war “games” haven’t been all “fun and games”.. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 3:44 utc | 208 Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 3:44 utc | 209 Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 29 2023 4:06 utc | 209 Australia to manufacture and export missiles to the US | 9 News Australia Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 4:19 utc | 210 Australian military helicopter crash in Queensland | 9 News Australia Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 4:34 utc | 211 Secretary of Defense Austin, Australian Counterpart* Hold Press Conference Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 29 2023 4:55 utc | 212 What would you prefer to ‘sheeple’? General reading population? I’m sure all kinds of people read the DT but I suppose they all have their own reasons. Are they influenced by what they read? No idea. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 5:06 utc | 213
Like seriously, what the h*ll? Posted by: unimperator | Jul 29 2023 5:32 utc | 214 Ukraine Weekly Update: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Jul 29 2023 5:34 utc | 215 Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 5:06 utc | 214 Posted by: dh | Jul 29 2023 6:52 utc | 216 @ bevin | Jul 28 2023 22:35 utc | 185 Posted by: John Kennard | Jul 29 2023 7:09 utc | 217 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 29 2023 5:32 utc | 215 Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 7:13 utc | 218 Sheeple’ hmmm. Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 7:53 utc | 219 I would encourage anyone who wants to read the Daily Telegraph if they want to. Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 7:54 utc | 220 212 Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 7:57 utc | 221 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 28 2023 18:45 utc | 161
What’s unique about this war is nearly everybody in one of the warring sides is being paid by a third party. So obviously no dissent on that side. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 29 2023 8:03 utc | 222 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 28 2023 23:31 utc | 193 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 29 2023 8:08 utc | 223 Regarding the non-free western press, and their readership. Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 8:25 utc | 224 Watching the mapping channels, every day seems like a bad day, if you are in the Ukrainian Army. Every day, on every part of the front, and beyond, the tag-line at the end is always “…and the Ukrainians took heavy losses”, whatever the location, whether they won or lost, attacked or defended, rain or shine, summer or winter. Posted by: FUBAR111111 | Jul 29 2023 8:26 utc | 225 A simple web search this morning of “Ukraine War Stalemate” offers up great bounty of the MSM working up to crying for a Korean War solution. Posted by: qparker | Jul 29 2023 8:53 utc | 226 I know it’s very wrong of me and it may well make me an elitist snob but I just can’t help it. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 8:54 utc | 227 Posted by: FUBAR111111 | Jul 29 2023 8:26 utc | 226
Or simply understand that if they stop, they are broke. No salary, no pension, State collapse, Lybia’s type of anarchy or worse. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 29 2023 9:00 utc | 228 Posted by: FUBAR111111 | Jul 29 2023 8:26 utc | 226 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 9:28 utc | 229 Re: https://breakingdefense.com/2023/02/rand-experts-fear-stalemate-frozen-conflict-in-ukraine/ Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2023 9:52 utc | 230 Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 29 2023 4:06 utc | 210 Posted by: Suresh | Jul 29 2023 10:14 utc | 231 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2023 9:52 utc | 231 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 10:15 utc | 232 @scepticalSOB, §221: Posted by: John Marks | Jul 29 2023 10:16 utc | 233 I’m no elitist or academic. Posted by: Engineer-John | Jul 29 2023 10:25 utc | 234 qparker | Jul 29 2023 8:53 utc | 227 Posted by: scc | Jul 29 2023 10:51 utc | 235 Jul 29 2023 9:28 utc | 230 Posted by: paddy | Jul 29 2023 11:11 utc | 236 Vladislav, hi! Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 11:28 utc | 237 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 10:15 utc | 233 Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 29 2023 11:45 utc | 238 Stalemate means the Russian’s won’t be advancing either? Posted by: qparker | Jul 29 2023 11:53 utc | 239 Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2023 2:37 utc | 206
If you want to exempt the British from being called “sheeple” go ahead. I’m afraid I can’t offer the same service for the Germans. They believe in their lying media, and like a giant flock of sheep they followed them into making Russia their enemy, thereby inspiring similar behavior by other European states. If they were anything like thinking people, they would not buy the North Stream lies, but instead name the perpetrator and ask for consequences, and ask to shed a light on their chancellor’s role in the sabotage and its cover-up. They would not repeat the “Ukraine is winning” mantra and allow for their legislators to forbid public expression of arguments that put the SMO in perspective. Posted by: grunzt | Jul 29 2023 12:01 utc | 240 @grunzt Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 29 2023 12:19 utc | 241 Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 29 2023 11:45 utc | 240 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 13:12 utc | 242 It’s sort of important to remember that the media has by and large been captured. There is no easy way to know what protests are really happening where that are not in support of the current anti Russia hatred. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 29 2023 13:22 utc | 243 https://t.me/Slavyangrad/57282
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/57283
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/57256
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 13:30 utc | 244 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 10:15 utc | 233 Posted by: Mike R | Jul 29 2023 13:33 utc | 245
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 13:53 utc | 246 Mike R no. 247 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 29 2023 13:56 utc | 247 … Magical thinking has become its own reality. Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 14:01 utc | 248 From Military Chronicle Telegram Channel….. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 14:05 utc | 249 Posted by: Mike R | Jul 29 2023 13:33 utc | 247 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 14:08 utc | 250 Ukraine has millions who can fight they have not let adult males leave the country since the war started. This war will go on for a while Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2023 14:27 utc | 251 General Surovikin 🖤💛🤍@_Surovikin_ Posted by: Citan | Jul 29 2023 14:48 utc | 252 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 14:05 utc | 251 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 14:57 utc | 253 https://t.me/llordofwar/181684
https://t.me/llordofwar/181686
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 15:02 utc | 254
Respectfully disagree. barflies estimated a few weeks ago that roughly 12 million people live in the area controlled by NATO/Kiev. Maybe even less than 12 million, some estimates are as low as 5 million. Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2023 15:36 utc | 255 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/37337
It’s not pervasive surveillance on its own so much as combining it with near-pervasive firepower. Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 15:47 utc | 256 @Exile Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2023 15:58 utc | 257 @ 252 Posted by: Golddigger | Jul 29 2023 16:02 utc | 258 Posted by: Citan | Jul 29 2023 14:48 utc | 254
Those Yakhuts certainly take things personally … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2023 16:04 utc | 259 I have no Idea where you got that number from they had 40+ million people in 2020. Posted by: laguerre | Jul 29 2023 16:11 utc | 260 Regarding RITTER Posted by: HOGGY | Jul 29 2023 16:14 utc | 261 Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 15:47 utc | 258 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 16:20 utc | 262 @Laguerre Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2023 16:35 utc | 263 @ anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 15:47 utc | 258 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 29 2023 16:51 utc | 264 You mean the way the German soldiers entered Moscow in the summer of ‘44, I think they even had a parade. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 17:28 utc | 265
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 29 2023 18:11 utc | 266 I have no Idea where you got that number from they had 40+ million people in 2020. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 18:13 utc | 267 Anyone have any comments about what Simplicius wrote in a recent post? Posted by: Perimetr | Jul 29 2023 18:20 utc | 268 It finally happened…. Russian engineers updated their AAM software… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 18:24 utc | 269 One person alone on a field is not a warrior, unless that person is a Russian. Posted by: Boris Badenov | Jul 29 2023 18:47 utc | 270 @ Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 18:24 utc | 271 Posted by: james | Jul 29 2023 18:48 utc | 271 Scott Ritter and other military analysts periodically modify their predictions because they overestimated the intelligence and underestimated the corrupt Western decision makers willingness to protect their money laundering operations to the last drop of Ukrainian blood. Posted by: Willow | Jul 29 2023 19:35 utc | 272 Channel about the war facts “>https://t.me/battleinsightsRU Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 29 2023 19:43 utc | 273 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2023 16:20 utc | 264 Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 19:44 utc | 274 Zero Hedge: US Army General Dies In Plane Crash Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 29 2023 19:48 utc | 275 Posted by: battleinsightsRU | Jul 29 2023 19:34 utc | 279 Posted by: Ed | Jul 29 2023 19:48 utc | 276
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/6325 Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 29 2023 20:01 utc | 277 Scott Ritter said that Youtube has taken down his two-part documentary on Zelensky. Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 20:13 utc | 278 Ritter doc on Zelensky part 1&2 also here Posted by: AG | Jul 29 2023 20:20 utc | 279 More comments about the Daily Telegraph that I find interesting. Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 29 2023 22:02 utc | 280 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2023 0:34 utc | 201 Posted by: HelenB | Jul 29 2023 22:50 utc | 281 Frontline numbers KIA from MOD today are down, Dima I think tracks the numbers…..to me just more carnage. A rear strike on Rostov, military HQ it’s said, a major attack on the Kherson Crimea bridge…..Russia finds the SBU building and destroys it…another CnC left untouched for over a year+. They know where the command centres are, yet they slaughter men who have no desire to be there…..save for the Nazi hoards. Criminal to not take out all those CnC’s from the beginning…..spare me the excuses. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 29 2023 23:12 utc | 282 Scott Ritter and other military analysts periodically modify their predictions because they overestimated the intelligence and underestimated the corrupt Western decision makers willingness to protect their money laundering operations to the last drop of Ukrainian blood. Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 29 2023 23:27 utc | 283 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 18:13 utc | 269 Posted by: Ed | Jul 29 2023 23:28 utc | 284 Arthur, good for you. I seems that you have found places to meet some of your needs. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 29 2023 23:39 utc | 285 On Jul 29, the Russian governor of the Kherson region Vladimir Saldo declared that the air defense of the Russian Federation shot down 12 Storm Shadow missiles that attacked the railway to the Crimea. The massive attack with expensive foreign missiles aimed at destroying the railway but it failed. The local authorities confirmed some minor damage to the railway facilities by wreckage of the missiles but the Ukrainian military did not disrupt the railway traffic. The governor wrote in his Telegram channel: Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 23:49 utc | 286 @Ed | Jul 29 2023 23:28 utc | 292 Posted by: OttoE | Jul 29 2023 23:59 utc | 287 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 29 2023 23:49 utc | 294 Posted by: Ed | Jul 30 2023 0:13 utc | 288 anon2020 | Jul 29 2023 19:44 utc | 282 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 30 2023 0:27 utc | 289 Thanks to the folks providing MOD and other updates….specifically the 12 Storm Shadows being intercepted. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 30 2023 0:40 utc | 290 psychohistorian | Jul 30 2023 0:40 utc | 299 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 30 2023 1:09 utc | 291 @whirlX Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 30 2023 1:10 utc | 292 @Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 29 2023 23:27 utc | 291
Slavsquat is a Riley Waggaman. Enough sad. Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jul 30 2023 1:23 utc | 293 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 30 2023 0:27 utc | 298 Posted by: watcher | Jul 30 2023 1:43 utc | 294 More info on the downed/drowned heli in Queensland. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 30 2023 2:44 utc | 295 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Jul 30 2023 2:58 utc | 296 Regarding the speculation of Poland getting involved there is the following sub heading from Reuters
Is Poland ready to take on Wagner? Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 30 2023 5:37 utc | 297 psychohistorian | 306 Posted by: Jerr008 | Jul 30 2023 5:46 utc | 298 Does anyone know why the latest Judging Freedom YouTube video with Scott Ritter is blocked to anyone not logged in, on age-restriction grounds? Posted by: tawharanui | Jul 30 2023 5:50 utc | 299 308, Posted by: jean levant | Jul 30 2023 6:20 utc | 300 |
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