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July 20, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-173
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@ Bemildred | Jul 21 2023 21:03 utc | 100
it’s an important read and my read is the content is ominous… not sure how that will all work out..
@ William Gruff | Jul 21 2023 21:24 utc | 101
i tend to agree with you… it isn’t just stupid people in the west.. they have them in russia too..
Posted by: james | Jul 21 2023 22:55 utc | 101
@basedandcoolpilled #85:
The fact ultra nationalist and mutinous characters like girkin (and the angry patriot party at large)…
Strelkov (Girkin) is not a mutineer. He condemned Prigozhin’s mutiny.
Posted by: S | Jul 21 2023 23:18 utc | 102
William Gruff | Jul 21 2023 21:24 utc | 101
your assertion that Russia “Since the start of the SMO Russia has produced a few dozen tanks and a small handful of aircraft” calls for a serious citation of reference. Otherwise it is a post by a very ‘concern blogger’. Are you the real William Gruff?
Posted by: fanto | Jul 22 2023 3:11 utc | 103
Ukraine will probably be ok by 2050 while Russia, or what remains of it, will no longer be a threat to any one. And I think that that something we can all live with. Including Ukraine.
Posted by: Chris Za | Jul 22 2023 10:28 utc | 104
This is a pipe dream. Russia can experience a crushing defeat in Ukraine tomorrow and within a year things will be back to normal between Russia and the rest of the world.
Ukraine is simply not that important
Posted by: Atomkrieg | Jul 22 2023 10:29 utc | 105
The Russia where mercenaries march on Moscow unopposed and only stop after political intervention by a neighboring regime and not by actions of the Russian government. That Russia? That Russia is a weak, failed state already…
Posted by: Chris Za | Jul 22 2023 10:31 utc | 106
Even if Ukraine manages to somehow completely expel the Russians from their territory, they cannot replace such a large loss of population. Millions of Ukrainian refugees will remain in Europe. Ukraine already had big problems with population decline, and this will actually become a non-healing wound.
The future of Ukraine is a raw material colony of Europe, and this is in the best case.
Posted by: Gaspar | Jul 22 2023 10:34 utc | 107
Well, same will apply to Russia. Not only has Russia lost all those young men on the battlefield, around a million well educated Russians have left the country as part of a brain drain.
Ukraine was always going to have change and migration for a decade or a bit more after joining the EU. All new members do. But that process tends to reverse as integration continues. Not so for Russia, where people are unlikely to ever return.
Also, being in the EU means having a seat and vote at a table amongst equals. Same doesn’t apply to vassals of China, as Russia is destined to be.
Posted by: Chris Za | Jul 22 2023 10:36 utc | 108
According to the opposition media outlet Meduza https://meduza.io/feature/2022/05/07/skolko-lyudey-uehalo-iz-rossii-iz-za-voyny-oni-uzhe-nikogda-ne-vernutsya-mozhno-li-eto-schitat-ocherednoy-volnoy-emigratsii the most correct estimates are in the region of 150,000 people leaving, they note that almost all estimates in the region of a million are based on the false assumption that the number of people leaving remains the same over the weeks, and project 20,000 in the first week to all subsequent weeks, but such figures are incorrect.
Posted by: Hellbatty | Jul 22 2023 10:38 utc | 109
Problem for Russia though is that those who leave are doctors, engineers, creatives, etc and not uneducated laborers, pensioners or country hicks. They are people who create jobs, pay taxes and keep the economy running. They will be missed well above their number.
Posted by: Chris Za | Jul 22 2023 10:39 utc | 110
Don’t quite know where to post this so it’s here.
Amazing tiggerish idiotic ranting by the complete and utter tosser **** Massaro.
Can we have some background on that tit?
Who is pulling his strings, whose toy boy he is?
Where he is getting all that marching powder from?
Is the whole upper echelon in the Collective Wasters as screwed up as this loon? I think I’d have to give him a medical slap to stop his hysteria. Then put him into a deep sleep for a few days followed by a recuperative few months in some sanatorium with regular therapy, perhaps a bit of gardening and a kitten to look after.. or just put him away for a few years… after some truth and reconciliation, but sometimes there is not much that can be done about a foaming at the mouth (and nose) rabid mad dog.
‘🇺🇸🤡 Here’s a few minutes of Paul Massaro’s drug filled and brainwashed ramblings.
Do you live in LA? You’re pathetic if you fear Russian Nuclear Weapons according to Massaro.
If WW3 breaks out everyone should thank people like Pavlo Massaryinko here.’
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/74260
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 22 2023 12:59 utc | 111
Several localities in Crimea were hit by drones and, maybe, storm shadows.
MGM-140 ATACMS and F-16 Fighting Falcon are coming.
Posted by: Morene | Jul 22 2023 16:26 utc | 112
According to the opposition media outlet Meduza
Posted by: Hellbatty | Jul 22 2023 10:38 utc | 111
There is no russian opposition in Lettland, lol!
Posted by: 600w | Jul 22 2023 17:35 utc | 113