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July 2, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-157

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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Poland is a great place to visit. Above all rich in culture and cheap, which makes it quite a popular destination among people in the Baltic Sea region. Perhaps that was supposed to be the cover story here. Doesn’t quite fit though for someone in Australia.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 3 2023 4:21 utc | 201

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2023 4:09 utc | 200
“People can still amass wealth through their efforts, they just won’t be allowed to use it politically.”
Good point. As we anarchists would point out, if the state didn’t exist, rich people would only be able to amass wealth through their own efforts, as corporations (as opposed to “companies” in the original meaning of groups of individuals working together)- which are creatures created by state law – would not exist. And with no state, “politics” would not exist.
“Natural monopolies” are very rare. Almost all “monopolies” are created by law. With no state, there is no law, hence no way to create a “monopoly” except by coercion which will be opposed because people are not brainwashed to obey the coercers as they are with the state and the very rare “natural monopoly.’ Most “natural monopolies” can be competed against by alternative technologies.
The Austrian economic school covers all this well.
Unfortunately, none of this is going to happen as well because of human nature. Until that is altered, all such “Utopian” speculation is a waste of time.
Feel free to believe that human nature can not be altered as well (it can and probably will be), and the meaningless of the speculation will be complete.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 4:25 utc | 202

“…the Outlaw US Empire is owned and operated by Wall Street, which is the primary Fascist entity on the planet.”
I wish you wouldn’t resort to conflating the oligarchy we live under with “fascism” like that. I understand the need to use scary politicized smear words though. Sort of like the lower strata will use “Communist” or “Marxist” as smears nobody really understands. It’s way beneath you, frankly.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 4:38 utc | 203

Academia whores itself out to anybody who will keep them in a comfortable respectable lifestyle. Plenty hasn’t had a change of heart. He was writing lethal crap for Nazi, Zionist , US hegemonic neocons and tailored his writing to their exact predilections.
In otherc words he used his academic intelligence to , totally uncritically, write Nazi material. And then he regretted selling his soul. Dr Faustus syndrome.
What about all those other normal , innocent housewives and househusbands like Blinken, Nuland and Biden, who have whored themselves out to Wolfovitz and his Atlantacist poodles . Do none of them have any personal accountability when the crap they spout kills a generation of Ukrainians?
Posen is Poison. Ye spotted snakes with double tongue. You’ve been spotted . Thank you for your intellectual input in mapping out the War in Ukraine 30 years before it happened, and for explaining how come the dam was destroyed, and what Zelensky has been instructed to do now in the end game.
Question is, who paid him? Was it Israel , or Soros, or Clinton?
If he genuinely regrets his wormtongue poison, he will reveal his sponsors’ names.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 3 2023 4:46 utc | 204

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 4:25 utc | 203
“As we anarchists would point out, if the state didn’t exist, rich would only be able to amass wealth through their own efforts…”
I strongly disagree but I am as always open to further arguments. I think the ultra rich oligarchs/plutocrats would (and provably do) buy their own security forces and even armies (ie Azov Battallion) to do their bidding. Warlords called “democracy” and protected by media adulation.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 4:48 utc | 205

Posen, not plenty, a zionist war criminal posing as a professor of political science.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 3 2023 4:49 utc | 206

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 3 2023 3:22 utc | 177
This is why we should keep to the basics without getting trapped in outworn tropes. While most of the 14 points are valid and the importance of corporate supremacy and oligarchic rule are a given – hence a right-wing ideology, despite the obfuscating comment by “Dolphin” – the part regarding the cultural norms and imagery requires flexibility. The perfect example is the Anglo-American regime with emphasis in the US.
Indeed, there is no cult of a leader, but only imperial figureheads in the office of POTUS, while authoritarianism follows the dictates of unelected, unaccountable institutions, i.e. the Deep State. This is what that fascist puke Vindman meant when he spoke about “the interagency consensus”. The need for a democratic, constitutional charade is absolutely necessary, backed by the misleading term limits for the elected office of the POTUS. The main motivation for this insidious measure was the political trajectory of FDR who proved to be a fluke in his domestic and foreign policy. Elliot Roozvelt’s revelations are quite helpful in graspinbg that.
Further, the cultural norms that are promoted by the imperial apparatus are anti-scientific, socially divisive and irrational identity politics, that provide an imagery of utterly fraudulent progressivism to an extremely reactionary regime. Again, the vigorous promotion of said politics from the beginning of the Obama administration, used as a substitute for the abandonment of the expected progressive policies many had hoped for are a great indication. The kneecapping of the Occupy Wall Street movement is an example of the success of this new paradigm which has been further utilized to enhance the image of an utterly criminal foreign policy.
By now we have come to the point of extremely obscurantist propagandistic tropes and narratives, such as the Critical Race Theory, the degradation of popular culture, the aggressive championship of borderline criminal aspects of the LGBT movement, Afrocentrism etc. A perfect example was the pseudo-historical travesty of the docu-drama series about Cleopatra VII, while most are simply ignorant of the horrors of the Free State of Kongo, the grisly fate of Patrice Lumumba, the support for the South African apartheid regime (conveniently until 1990, when the USSR collapsed) etc. Not many films about these subjects by the totally anti-racist Hollywood. Better a Marvel Black Panther than Freddy Hampton.
In short, the advent of fascism through neoliberalism has been backed by political and cultural paradigms and messages that do not follow the traditional tropes. This is of paramount importance and the ferocity of its defense by the liberals speaks volumes.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 4:52 utc | 207

Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 4:25 utc | 203–
It can be argued most everything vital to human existence is a natural monopoly and should be organized as a public utility, and that would include banking and financial services along with other mundane things like water, sewage removal, power, communications, postal services, roads, public mass transit, railroads, airports, airlines, self-defense forces, etc. Food production was clearly seen as a public utility for several thousand years, as was its storage and distribution. Even in the game of Monopoly there’s the concept of Public Works. Obviously, managing such a wide variety of services requires an extra-public organization that would be called a government–govern: To make and administer public policy. Even within a nuclear family there’re both government and politics. Anarchy is a chimera; it cannot exist in reality unless you are alone on an island.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2023 5:00 utc | 208

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 4:52 utc | 208
The misrepresentation of “fascism” continues unabated. All to the benefit of oligarchical plutocracy.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 5:02 utc | 209

Wisco | Jul 3 2023 4:38 utc | 204–
I highly suggest you take the time to view or read the transcript to the podcast I linked to in my comment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2023 5:02 utc | 210

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 5:02 utc | 210
Indeed. Those who do not recognize the risen beast and name it serve the interests of the oligarchy.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 5:06 utc | 211

@ karlof1 | Jul 3 2023 4:09 utc | 200
I prefer “the Wall Street/City of London Axis” for the premier financial instruments of our plutocracy.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jul 3 2023 5:15 utc | 212

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 4:48 utc | 206
Classical anarchists would agree with you. Individualist anarchists understand that acquiring wealth by coercion is perfectly fine. However, they also understand that they will be opposed by others who have wealth and those who don’t have wealth. Arms can be acquired by anyone and used by anyone. Assassination is how one writes history.
To quote a text on individual anarchism:

But if the individual lives for himself then what is to stop him from trying to rule over others? Two things, at least. Firstly, if these others are as
self-willed as he is, then they will oppose their wills to his and so frustrate his efforts. Secondly, and most importantly, individualists know that authority
is a relationship between ruler and ruled that binds both and destroys the independence of each. As Max Stirner well put it: He who, to hold his own, must
count on the absence of will in others, is a thing made by these others, as the master is a thing made by the servant. If submission ceased it would be all over
with lordship. Individualist anarchists do not regard government as simply the product of a conspiracy on the part of a wicked few to oppress the innocent
many. The many would not be governed if they did not want to be governed, if they were capable of self-government. Rulers and ruled are two sides of the same
coin of a currency which individualists reject. Their way lies outside of both.

Essentially you end up with pretty much the world you have now – except without the bullshit about “democracy”, “sanctity of the state”, etc., or in other words, “spooks of the mind”, as Max Stirner would put it. In other words, people need to live in the real world before they change that world.
Which is why I say human nature has to be altered first before all the “pie-on-the-sky” notions of society can be realized. And even then, when true rationality is imposed on the human species, what results will not look anything like the “society” people talk about wanting now. It will not in some aspects be a “society” at all.
There are extensive analyses of such things in the individualist anarchist literature – which is far too off-topic to go into here.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 5:22 utc | 213

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 4:52 utc | 208
“..This is what that fascist puke Vindman meant when he spoke about “the interagency consensus”.
One should not conflate fascism with Zionism across cultures. It is true that Israel is “fascist” in the old Mussolini definition. Strong ethnic nation not beholden to anyone, even big corporate bigwigs. A real nation at work protecting their people. Respect
It is truly funny watching the US media excuse and applaud Israel’s daily kinetic actions on behalf of their own ethnoreligious population while the diaspora morally condemns anyone else for even thinking about attempting to to do the same anywhere else. I say “funny” but it isn’t really funny at all.
I’ve never seen a more obvious double standard.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 5:36 utc | 214

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 2 2023 23:06 utc | 129
Hot shutdown is an intermediary status allowing to perform maintenance at the secondary side of the NPP (turbine, feed water, condenser etc.) while keeping the primary side (reactor coolant system) ready to restart quickly. The fuel is kept in the reactor pressure vessel (in sub-critical conditions) maintained at the nominal pressure (155 bar)and hot shutdown temperature (280 degree).The heat source to do that is the core decay heat and the power transmitted to the coolant by the reactor coolant pumps (> 15 MW for a 1000 MW NPP).
The process to bring a NPP to the grid from cold shutdown takes several days as heating the reactor coolant system must be done following a heating ramp of a few degrees per hour to avoid stressing the system.
As far as I know, from the IAEA bulletins, all ZNPP units are currently in cold shutdown. Usually, if such conditions are kept for periods longer than a plant refuelling and maintenance, the fuel is removed from the reactor pressure vessel and transferred into the deactivation pool. Which is what I suspect for the ZNPP units. Now, I don’t know what are the design bases for the fuel building of those VVER plants, specifically whether they are bunkered. If not there could be the risk of activity release in case of attack with specific weapons.

Posted by: scc | Jul 3 2023 5:58 utc | 215

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 5:22 utc | 214
Thanks much for that explanation Richard, I appreciate it. Not sure I agree with it all because now I drank too much and can’t properly analyze posts with my usual reasoning abilities. Anything I might post from this point forward will be utterly worthless (trying hard to not do drunk postings especially here). I will look more carefully tomorrow or Tuesday when sober. Cheers.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 6:02 utc | 216

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2023 5:00 utc | 209
“It can be argued most everything vital to human existence is a natural monopoly”
Almost nothing is. You misuse the term “monopoly.” A monopoly occurs when some resource exists in only place or is controllable by only one means and therefore is easily controlled by an individual or group of individuals. Almost all of the items you list don’t need to be monopolized, but are in fact monopolized BY LAW. You might want to read up on the libertarian theory of private contractors handling such things. In history, many if not all of the things you mention in fact were managed by private companies. Lysander Spooner created a post office service that successfully competed with the American Post Office until he was shut down by law.
You start from the presumption of civilization as it is now, with all the methods of handling human needs which have been determined by history up to now, however imperfect and in general the result of mistakes corrected by more mistakes and controlled by the very states and religions and social forces which control present society.
This is not the way to come to a rational organization of humans and natural resources.
“Food production was clearly seen as a public utility for several thousand years”
I think you’ll find that is not the case originally.
“managing such a wide variety of services requires an extra-public organization”
No, it doesn’t. Not even close.
“Even within a nuclear family there’re both government and politics.”
Which is why the nuclear family is not, contrary to people like Martyanov, the quine se non of human organization. Tribal society controlled human development of hundreds of thousands of years.
“Anarchy is a chimera; it cannot exist in reality unless you are alone on an island.”
You really have zero comprehension of the breadth and depth of anarchist theory. You are, however, correct about one thing: anarchism can not exist in human society at present.
I quote several paragraphs from the book “Enemies of Society” (available for free here):
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2faf245f5e5cc79a5e0a0912f8ffccad

Anarchism means freedom (absolute, integral), refusing authority. An anarchist aspires after self-government. The word has nothing to do with disorder or confusion, meaning specifically the absence of rulers. As a kind of political party the present, so-called anarchist movement actually tries to struggle
against the political forces constituting the national state. Not believing in politics, it has no future and is reduced or driven to preach a revolution that
is evidently bound to fail. Nowadays it represents a mere waste of time and does not bother the State in the least. The people in charge treat it with contempt,
and they are right – it is not dangerous.
The aim – if an aim were wanted – is to help the individual attain real and practical emancipation. My purpose here is not to offer a plan for a new and
imaginative human society, absurdly conceived for people who don’t, nor ever will, exist. Anarchy and anarchism are eternal, have no end in view, no final
revolution in perspective, only research. Action may result incidentally, but no perfect revolution is contemplated. Of course, if or when a revolution appears
individualists may or may not decide to take part, and an individualistic inspiration may contribute to certain decisions, but as a political movement
individualism does not exist. There is no question of mass individualism. Logically one must understand that an anarchist could not possibly belong to any
party nor to any authoritarian political formation.
His decisive rejection of the utopian and solidaritist myths expressed itself in a conception of anarchism as an immediate individualism excluding any hopes of
realization in social form. The anarchist individualist has nothing to expect from a social revolution or any type of Society, “he is already an anarchist and
as such he feels and lives his life.” Certainly he rebels against existing society, certainly he will assist in its didintegration, but he does not imagine
he will be any “freer” in the future societies promised by the variegated merchants of social salvation. For Novatore the war between the individual and
society, any society, was eternal.

I might commend to you the book by David Friedman, ironically the son of Chicago School doyen Milton Friedman (available for free here):
The Machinery of Freedom: Guide to a Radical Capitalism
https://annas-archive.org/md5/f411d3802f5c91487cd3c6046e7e83aa
I always remembered (however imperfectly) from the first time I read it, this passage:

Nobody, except a few Brahmins in Delhi and two or three Trotskyites in New York, still believes that the earthly paradise can be achieved by nationalizing General Motors and turning the corner grocery store over to the Mayor’s office. Socialism, as a coherent ideology, is dead and is not likely to be revived by student rebels in Paris or Soviet tanks in Prague. Yet many people, including the late reformers in Prague, call themselves socialists. ‘Socialism’ has become a word with positive connotations and no content.
Shortly after the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, I spent an evening with two Czech economics students. They saw the aim of the Czech reforms as the creation of a society combining the best elements of socialism and capitalism. One of the elements of capitalism they especially liked was that bad workers did not get the same pay as good workers. Whatever socialism meant to them did not include ‘from each according to his ability, to each according to his need’. They wished to preserve government health care and some other welfare measures, but these were not what they meant by socialism. To them, socialism meant a just society, a society where people were reasonably prosperous and reasonably free; it meant roughly what we mean by a liberal society.
This, I think, is what socialism means to much of the world. If so, socialism need not be opposed—merely improved. Any change that makes a socialist society better makes it, by definition, more socialist. If people are convinced that state ownership and control do not work, as the Eastern Europeans by bitter experience are, then the changes that will make their society ‘more socialist’ are changes such as the transfer of ownership and control from the state to workers’ cooperatives and, at a later stage, from workers’ cooperatives to the workers themselves.
The complete destruction of socialist institutions in the name of socialism is practical only if creeping capitalism tends to force itself to its logical conclusion. Otherwise socialists might move to some mixed economy, intermediate between capitalism and socialism, such as the present American economy, and stay there. As a libertarian, a liberal in the old sense, I would consider this unfortunate.
Evidence that capitalism creeps is seen in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavian workers’ cooperatives, which, in effect, own factories as corporations own them here, must get capital for investment from either their own profits or the government. Some cooperatives that could get large returns from capital investments do not have enough profits to finance them, and others have large profits which they would be willing to invest for a reasonable return, but do not need additional capital in their own operations. The obvious solution, as many Yugoslav economists realize, is to allow cooperatives to make loans to each other and charge interest. A worker cannot sell his share of his cooperative (which entitles him to a share of the profits), and he loses it on retirement. So the workers who control the cooperative have no incentive to make investments whose return will come after they retire. The solution is to make the share transferable, like a share of stock. Its market value would then depend on the expected future earnings of the cooperative. A long-term investment would lower the worker’s dividends but raise the value of his share. This reform, when and if it is made, will constitute a further step in the effective conversion of Yugoslavia to a capitalist society.
In describing the objective of the Czechoslovakian reforms, my Czech friends said that in the system the reformers wanted most products would be controlled by the price system, but prices of necessities, such as milk and bread, would be fixed by the government. I argued that if the price system was better for other things, it was even more important to use it for necessities. Their English was not very good, so there may have been some confusion at this point. What I think one of them said was “Yes. That’s what our teachers say too.”

we’re speaking at cross purposes since you’re so far behind the curve of understanding the anarcho-capitalist anarchist concept, let alone the individualist anarchist concept, that there can be no profitable discussion, certainly not here. So let’s leave it at that.
Anyway, it’s time for more “Strike Back” and Vasmin:
https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_2000,h_2000,c_fit/https%3A%2F%2Fhiddenremote.com%2Ffiles%2F2019%2F02%2FSB7_701_HS_05032018_006741.jpg

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 6:03 utc | 217

“Vasmin” s/b “Yasmin”
Need an edit button, b!

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 6:06 utc | 218

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 4:52 utc | 208
Please explain why my comment at #176 was obfuscating. I thought it was crystal clear. The hyper wordy and complex analyses by political scientists is, to me and I’m sure many others, far more obfuscating. Just because some academic has identified 14 political commonalities in 5 national 20thC leaders, who were CALLED FASCISTS, each of whom had elements of fascist ideology, does NOT MEAN he has clearly defined the essentials of fascism. He could just as well have typecast Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot within his 14 points. He has conflated way too many dictatorial traits and lost the simple plot.
I will say till I die, that fascism is not necessarily a “rightwing” concept. It is a mindstate available to all. It has only been given that “evil” position in opposition to the “evil” communism. It is part of the formulaic left/right binary. Let’s be honest — far extreme right pretty well equals far extreme left.
And I’m not trying to complicate things, like your verbose waffle. I’m actually trying to simplify things.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 6:08 utc | 219

Seems as if the Bar needs 3 permanent threads
A) WWII
B) Marxist-Leninism – Facsism – Anarchism
C) Ethnic and/or Tribalism
(Half in Jest)

Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:23 utc | 220

Re: French Destablization
A Barfly suggested the current French chaos might be Wahington warning Macron to stay in line ( ie. trade agreement with China payments in Yuan/Euro instead of USD, etc ) Might be true….
Recall that Snowden mentioned US state security Apparat had ability to blackmail all its ‘Junior Partners’ via various techniques. Snowden said for example that Washington had ability to shut down the entire South Korean electric grid.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:28 utc | 221

Seems as if the Bar needs 3 permanent threads
A) WWII
B) Marxist-Leninism – Facsism – Anarchism
C) Ethnic and/or Tribalism
(Half in Jest)
Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:23 utc | 221
Why? At times like this with the SMO just going on at a normal pace and Prigo out of the news, its great to see other important things discussed on one thread. Are you trying to make b work harder?

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 6:32 utc | 222

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 6:08 utc | 220
Conflating various forms of authoritarianism in general with fascism in particular through emphasis of specific aspects is obfuscation. Especiall since ou opted to disregard the various characteristics of fascism which can be identified through study of history and sociology.
In short, Caligula, Ludovico Sforza, Louis XIV, Kublai Khan, Shaka Zulu or Pol Pot cannot be described as fascists. Highly centralized government, absolute monarchy, tyrannical rule, authoritarianism etc. are not synonymous to fascism. Yet you tried to do that and in fact with communist leaders, when in fact anti-communism has been a characteristic of fascism. You don’t have to be a socialist or a history professor to recognize such basic facts.
Which shows that your simplification was in fact obfuscation, while you simultneously opt disregard the poitical scientist’s input because it is “too wordy”.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 6:51 utc | 223

Fogh Rasmussen demands Kiev get easy access to NATO but fails to mention he is paid by Kiev
I wonder how many people in Western Media etc. are paid by Zelensky ?
Was it John Helmer who suggested the trips to Kiev are rewarded with attaché cases of cash ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 3 2023 6:54 utc | 224

Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:23 utc | 221
In-between episodes…
Nah, don’t need a thread on anarchism, I’m probably the only one here and aside from drive-by comments, I’m not interested in arguing it with anyone. Waste of time.
On to episode 10…to be followed by season 8… Yasmin makes a relatively short appearance in that one, too. 🙂

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 6:59 utc | 225

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You think US is suicidal clearly.
What is happening in France has been brewing for many years and 2005 was a major eruption. Macron did a Zelensky – he was going to heal divisions and bring sweetness and light – but did the opposite
Germany and UK and Benelux could be next to erupt and German police are far worse equipped than in France
There is so much anger. Unlike USA there was no era of luxury after 2008 – it was austerity and Lockdowns were harsher than in U.S. as fragile regimes tried to repress population fearing revolution just as in China where the Party feared challenge and popular revolt
So Europe is overdue revolution and no outcome there favours USA since opposition wants US out of Europe

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 3 2023 7:01 utc | 226

One huge positive of MoA vs certain other sites like Martyanov’s or Zero Hedge is that there are no tallies of “upvotes” or “downvotes”. Each post has to be evaluated on its own merits and not judged in a popularity contest. MoA has more intelligent and diverse commentary.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 7:03 utc | 227

Military summary 2nd July:
-Antonovka bridgehead is not “completely” clear of AFU. The iskander probably killed lot of them, but eventually they brought more stuff (they might have lot of light dinghy’s and boats). Video shown of RU supply truck hit with drone grenade
-Piyatikahtki: RU bombing the rear 33rd bde positions
-Robotino: AFU reached and captured RU first defense trenches in front of Robotino, only using infantry to attack now to save western APCs. some sort of attempt to re-capture those trenches ongoing
-AFU has made no attack attempts for now in Vremievka bridgehead, Makarovka or Novodonetsk
-AFU attack from Ugledar defeated, no further details
-Marinka: RU captured some trenches half way between fields of Marinka and Novomikhaloivka, AFU trying to counter attack and take back. This area is vital for both sides also extending to Vremievka bridgehead
-Avdeevka: AFU tried to attack Vodiane, video shown of AFU commando squad destroyed by the ATGM
-Unconfirmed report AFU may have captured a defense line SW of Klischevka, but the clash is ongoing
-AFU lost 6 tanks and 19 AFVs on this area Klischevka
-North of Bakhmut: AFU tries to attack Yahidne, but RU make disrupting attack west from Dubovo-Vasylivka slowing the AFU attack
-Serebryanka forest: little changes
-Kupyansk area: 92nd brigade of AFU has been disbanded due to depleted and remnants merged to other brigades
-RU has made a bombing attack on AFU forces moving on the railroad near Balakleya
Poland: 7500 soldiers, border guards and policemen are pulled into the Belarus border near Brest. Move to Ukraine by Poland is highly likely in the vicinity of Nato summit.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 3 2023 7:22 utc | 228

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 3 2023 7:01 utc | 227
so there is a brewing opposition in Germany? I don’t know of Zelensky pays or the US pays, ultimately I think the US is providing the money. IF NATO starts collapsing, the US will be left alone and exposed, with no pretense that it is speaking for any significant portion of the rest of the world.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 3 2023 7:22 utc | 229

Richard,
You are not the only one.
I’ve been a minarchist since around 1978, when I first was given a copy of Bastiat by none other than Dr.Paul. like so many others, gradually realized that even a minimal night-watchman regime inevitably leads to tyranny.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 7:23 utc | 230

Here is a good analysis from the Eurasian Times of the failure of the Ukrainian Offensive and the role of the KA-52 Alligator.
Apologies if it has been posted previously.
https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraines-counter-offensive-fails-military-mauled-russias/?amp&amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM=

Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 7:29 utc | 231

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 5:36 utc | 215
A real nation at work protecting their people. Respect
It is truly funny watching the US media excuse and applaud Israel’s daily kinetic actions on behalf of their own ethnoreligious population while the diaspora morally condemns anyone else for even thinking about attempting to to do the same anywhere else. I say “funny” but it isn’t really funny at all.
don’t see that the beatings and shootings of children is a kinetic action to protect its own people, or why that should deserve any respect. who are you referring to by “anyone else”? and what actions by them do you consider kinetic action to protect their own people?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 3 2023 7:55 utc | 232

So Europe is overdue revolution and no outcome there favours USA since opposition wants US out of Europe
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 3 2023 7:01 utc | 227
A fine comment. So there was a quick US takeover in Europe even before there was a need for a colour revolution. In places like Finland NATO now keeps an eye on this new US “ally”.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 3 2023 8:00 utc | 233

US and Britain agree “Atlantic Declaration,” pledging economic warfare against Russia and China
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/06/09/rqwy-j09.html
The British are following the Americans up the escalation ladder towards their own extinction as nations.
So be it. The Anglo-Saxons have made their choice–and they will reap their just desserts.
Or, as Dmitry Medvedev has said about the British in particular:
“Britain always has been, is now, and will be our eternal enemy. At least until such time as their arrogant, despicably dank island sinks into the abyss of the sea from a wave triggered by a cutting-edge Russian weapons system.”

Posted by: ak74 | Jul 3 2023 8:09 utc | 234

“I wish there was a way we could just read the clobber list without having to wade through hundreds of banal comments.
Posted by: William Verick | Jul 2 2023 14:06 utc | 1”
Browsers have a “find” function is you find the thoughts of others so terribly banal. You can can jump straight to it. Not served on a silver platter, but just a few clicks.

Posted by: yarpos | Jul 3 2023 8:17 utc | 235

The leader of the ruling party Georgian Dream said that the opposition National Movement wanted to invade Abkhazia during the Prigo events and then enter the city of Sochi.
Yesterday Primorsko-Akhtarsk was apparently attacked tass.com/emergencies/1641605
On social media there’s a video of a big crater, they think it was a large missile shot down
Today head of Crimea was saved from an assassination attempt with a car bomb.
And on the China side there’s some spanking going on. June 27-29 US congressional delegation, headed by House Armed Services Committee Chairman visited Taiwan, and starting today a delegation of Republican members of the US House of Representatives arrived in a visit until July 7 when Yellen will go to China

Posted by: rk | Jul 3 2023 8:20 utc | 236

@ Paul Greenwood | Jul 3 2023 6:54 utc | 225

The Ukraine conflict is a fiscal reach-around to counteract monetary policy quantitative tightening. Several billions $ per day.
The debts must grow or the Western economy will collapse.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 3 2023 8:28 utc | 237

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 2 2023 21:36 utc | 111
Either English isn’t your first language, or you are missing some units (or education) in your figures.

That reactor is in the hot shut-down state, radiating around 180-200 °C

Degrees centigrade are not a unit of radiation.

Posted by: bolangi | Jul 3 2023 8:41 utc | 238

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 6:51 utc | 224
Wow, how incredibly perverse you are.
“Conflating various forms of authoritarianism in general with fascism in particular through emphasis of specific aspects is obfuscation” IS EXACTLY what Dr Laurance Britt did in his 14 point treatise quoted in the post by @psychohistorian | 177 … NOT what I did … and is exactly what I took issue with.
Farewell.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 8:46 utc | 239

Or, as Dmitry Medvedev has said about the British in particular:
“Britain always has been, is now, and will be our eternal enemy. At least until such time as their arrogant, despicably dank island sinks into the abyss of the sea from a wave triggered by a cutting-edge Russian weapons system.”
Posted by: ak74 | Jul 3 2023 8:09 utc | 235
————-
I don’t mind, if the that ‘dank island’ sinks into the abyss of the sea. I’d like to see that ‘dank island’ goes down economically. Time to pay for centuries of stealing.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 3 2023 8:46 utc | 240

Posted by: bolangi | Jul 3 2023 8:41 utc | 239
Not to nit=pick, but…to nit-pick…
thermal radiation
https://www.britannica.com/science/thermal-radiation

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 8:57 utc | 241

@ostro | Jul 3 2023 8:46 utc | 241

I don’t mind, if the that ‘dank island’ sinks into the abyss of the sea. I’d like to see that ‘dank island’ goes down economically. Time to pay for centuries of stealing.

Airstrip One is as we all know an unsinkable aircraft carrier.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 3 2023 8:58 utc | 242

Degrees centigrade are not a unit of radiation.
Posted by: bolangi | Jul 3 2023 8:41 utc | 239
It can be so used ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-body_radiation ) though here it is not.

Posted by: Catilina | Jul 3 2023 9:03 utc | 243

Paul Greenwood @ 225

Was it John Helmer who suggested the trips to Kiev are rewarded with attaché cases of cash?

I certainly did long time back, that’s why Boris was making something like a trip a month, to pick up the vig. All those washed up idiot stars, Bono, Penn, Joli, Hamil, while likely fellow WEF Nazi travelers where also getting paid for their performance. Assholes and Nazis never do anything out of the kindness of their heart but they’ll even eat their own shit for a big enough pile of lucre.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 3 2023 9:06 utc | 244

Some more ammo to the ICC criminal case against Putin:
Russia has brought some 700,000 children from the conflict zones in Ukraine into Russian territory, Grigory Karasin, head of the international committee in the Federation Council, Russia’s upper house of parliament, says. “In recent years, 700,000 children have found refuge with us, fleeing the bombing and shelling from the conflict areas in Ukraine,” Karasin wrote on his Telegram messaging channel.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 3 2023 9:18 utc | 245

Seems as if the Bar needs 3 permanent threads
A) WWII
B) Marxist-Leninism – Facsism – Anarchism
C) Ethnic and/or Tribalism
(Half in Jest)
You forgot the Jew thread – this is more specific than mere ethnic or tribalism ranting.

Posted by: B. Wildered | Jul 3 2023 9:20 utc | 246

I was referring to Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:23 utc | 221

Posted by: B. Wildered | Jul 3 2023 9:22 utc | 247

Re: Posted by: enderman100 | Jul 2 2023 20:47 utc | 97

Has anyone seen Mark Sleboda’s predictions about the war? His opinion is that everyone is deluded about Russia winning a decisive victory and that NATO will make sure this war will continue long past all of our lifetimes. Pessimistic but possibly the most realistic view?
Well, what EVIDENCE at all is there Russia will win this “decisively”?!?
Over the last 12 months Russia has LOST MORE territory than it has GAINED – that is hardly “winning decisively”.

Posted by: Julian | Jul 3 2023 9:29 utc | 248

Russian destroyed M-109
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/91104

Posted by: Crazy chump | Jul 3 2023 9:36 utc | 249

Russian destroyed Leopard
https://t.me/voenacher/47716

Posted by: Crazy chump | Jul 3 2023 9:40 utc | 250

NPP – my take.
The US hasn’t okayed it. But the misinformation will continue to be hyped because:
(a) it will force Russia to cluster more air-defence kit there, allowing Ukrainian artillery to get a shot.
(b) it denude air defence elsewhere on the front, easing UKR offensives.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 3 2023 9:55 utc | 251

Exile #231
And me too, lol. Lmao at the pompous RSH who seriously thinks he is the only one — if he is at all! From what I’ve read about him, he lives in San Francisco, has been a security systems programmer for decades, likes pretty young girls, drinks like a fish, likes to aggressively argue others into the ground. He strikes me as an ideologue-dilettante-theorist-anarchist. A Dunning-Kruger anarchist, he “knows all ABOUT IT” but doesn’t walk the walk. His form of anarchy is unadulterated contrarianism — “I think differently to everyone else therefore I’m an anarchist”.
Anarchist essentially means one against all laws. Does he drive and speed, refuse to pay his rent, not vote as a symbol of civil disobedience, walk naued to the shops, disobey gun permits, fuck jailbait when he sees them? Does he sneak out at night in a balaclava and sabotage state infrastructure? Is his life an exemplary outlaw, ie, one outside the laws? Lol. I’d say not. It’s just an egoistic badge of distinction, pretending to be oh-so different and more radical than everybody else. No, at age 74yo he’s just glued to his computer, alone in his bedroom in his fantasy lawlessness, no different to some beligerent teenager with only a screen life. The very fact that he tells people proves he’s NOT a real anarchist but just a wanker. A true anarchist is not out to make a point about it. They just live a quiet life ignoring 90% of the stupid laws which don’t affect them and resentfully conforming to the very very few laws they *choose* to engage with just enough to stay out of jail.
RSH bungs on in pompous spiels about how anarchism is the “best system for man” but says it is not possible to live nowadays because … blah blah blah. That’s bullshit. I know and live with many real life anarchists. They have chosen to opt out of legalities as much as humanly possible. And they just leave the social conformists alone to their karmas.
Whereas (to humbly reveal my own situation) I’ve been a social renunciate, subsistence living, alternative community, off gridder, no car, no license, no computer (phone only, yep all my posts are one-finger Android), no gvt money, forest-dwelling, shop only fortnightly, 3 x homebirthed children, homeschooler, feral, anarchist for some 40 years. But you know, I’ve never read a single fucking book about it. I can’t name any obscure author or “authority thinker” on the topic, as you did, or as RSH’s biography boasts in his massive bibliography of “Books I’ve Read”. It’s not even some intellectual concept to me. It’s a way of life. I don’t even call it anarchy because that’s just another wanky self-identity label which would typecast me according to others’ misreading of my real nature which lives as I truly am, NOT as I would like to present myself to be … like RSH.
[Sorry long rant. Just can’t stand wankers like RSH misrepresenting authenticty].

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 9:59 utc | 252

Situation in northern Europe:
-Sweden: increase armed forces budget by 20 billion kronor ($1.85 billion)
-Justification to reach Nato goal of 2% GDP
-Total budget 117 billion krone (10.8$ billion)
-Swedish army is a victim of higher inflation
-All the weapons given to Ukraine must be replaced, including tanks, howitzers and anti tank weapons with growing list
-In Denmark, an additional expense of 143 billion kroner (20.1$ billion) is reserved for the next 10 years
-Every country in northern Europe have significantly expended most of their ammunition and weapons in Ukraine

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 3 2023 10:03 utc | 253

@ bolangi | Jul 3 2023 8:41 utc | 239
Usual temperature in pressurized water reactors is 345°C. In the case of ZNPP one reactor is at 200°C. More on that topic, if you insist, is here. And many other sites that explain in detail what is thermal radiation and does it even exist.
The point is that here we do not discuss mechanics of NPP in detail, but its strategical value – or exploring the possible narrative if an attack occurs.
There are two power plants next to each other. One is nuclear with 6 reactors and the other is multi-fossil fuels power plant having 2 huge 320 meters chimneys. Thermal plant is apparently shut down for some time already, and nuclear plant has only one partially working reactor.
NATO and Ukrainian false narrative is that blowing NPP is going to cause Chernobil + Fukushima 2.0 event that will irradiate half of Europe triggering the holy Article 5, as generated radioactive cloud crossing from Ukraine over to insert_your_NATO_country will trigger military action by NATO forces.
I claimed that attitude as a false narrative, and it is not going to happen. Some other commentators here agree with that.
You naturally have the right to nitpick about, but do not go personal after someone – one never knows who is on the other side.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 10:03 utc | 254

RSH takes up a lot of space and time here. Thankfully he has used a little software trick to hide my comments. The benefit is more than mutual; I can laugh at its pompous long-winded bullshit that occasionally abides by the stopped clock principle and insult it openly as often as it deserves without disrupting a thread. I highly recommend it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 3 2023 10:10 utc | 255

@ karlof1, §110:
I thought the Chinese president´s name was She Pink-Gin . . .

Posted by: John Marks | Jul 3 2023 10:15 utc | 256

Most probably, the Ukraine will attempt another ‘counteroffensive’ and that’s somewhere around Zoporozhye area before the NATO festival in Vilnius. By the way, why this ‘offensive’ is called ‘counteroffensive’ is anybody’s guess. By breaking the Kakhovka dam didn’t help much for the Ukraine, as it is still hard to cross the Dniepr. Today is 4th, so not much time left for the feat.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 3 2023 10:18 utc | 257

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 6:08 utc | 220
Back to basics.
In the neolithic period – over around 30,000 years – people used to live in villages under woman rule. Not matriarchy but predominance of womanly values – collectivist mindset. The most important persons in a village/extended family being the pregnant women , authority given to the older women, the grand-mothers , who probably invented human language, agriculture, cooking, sawing, weaving, etc…
Boys were raised in the common round houses up to the age of seven. Afterwards sent out to the wild, i.e. to join the peripheral men gang, to become rookies and sexual preys of the wild group that roamed freely. Up to greek/roman culture, homosexuality was usual and ephebes as well as older men were used as “female” partners. Rites of passage or hazing are remnants for the gang rapes of young boys that took place for millenia.
For the sake of being brief I would caricature the old human society as some balance between the tyranny of women (rather relatively softhanded) and men’s unadulterated brutality.
Here you got your communism and fascist roots.
These two mind states linger in our current collective psyche, as ghosts from the distant past, maybe preventing us from figuring out a better future.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 3 2023 10:18 utc | 258

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 6:03 utc | 218
LOL I use Chrome or Firefox most often. I laugh because of the irony in the fact I reminded RSH of the existence of a plugin to block commentators at MoA. Could someone PLEASE remind ME of where to get this plugin and how to use it? RSH is going on full ignore after that full retard post.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 3 2023 10:21 utc | 259

@229 unimperator
Thanks for the consice summary
I would add last night the Ukrainian pr lady was talking about complicated fighting around kupyansk which is usually code for losing.
Liveua has conspicuously left out action from that area today so something is up there. I’m hoping some data becomes available today possibly some “geolocated” pics.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 3 2023 10:24 utc | 260

@256 Tom Collins
He made a point to block me too. He’s pretty obnoxious all right, and way too long winded. Maybe people don’t cut him out but I bet most still skip it.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 3 2023 10:26 utc | 261

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 3 2023 10:18 utc | 259
Thanks for an informative post Greg. Not sure how it tied into mine re fascism.
And, your potted human history is one I’ve heard before but which is not considered to be wholly universal nor anthropologically watertight. Eg, Australian Aboriginal culture (my local indigenes) had no such systems as you described, being autonomous on this continent since ~60,000BC. Neither were the Indo-Chinese civilisations. Probably just a Euro-tradition codifued into Judeo-Christianity!!! I suspect fascism came out of the Abrahamic theologies. It FEELS very much that way to me.
And look, I’m aware I’ve made too many off-topic posts for today, so I’ll leave it at that. Maybe we should discuss Fascism in Ukraine … lol. Cheers.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 10:43 utc | 262

@ rk, §237:
I think the Georgians have given up on Abkhazia: it´s now majority Abkhaz in population and the Abkhaz are not going to surrender their independence.
Of more concern to the Georgians is the South Ossetian enclave sitting right in the middle of the country. They´ve considered ceding some territory to Russia such as aligning the border along the Caucasus watershed, which would cede Tsanareti, Xevsureti (joining the Chechen republic) & Tusheti (joining the Avar republic) to Russia in exchange for South Ossetia returning to Georgia. The Ossetian (Alan) homeland is Stavropol kray.

Posted by: John Marks | Jul 3 2023 10:48 utc | 263

Assholes and Nazis never do anything out of the kindness of their heart but they’ll even eat their own shit for a big enough pile of lucre.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 3 2023 9:06 utc | 245
. ————–
For years Ukraine has been renowned as the most corrupt country in Europe.
That’s CORRUPT – on an industrial scale.
About 25 years ago, my brother attempted to set up business links in UKR. On his first attempt at the rail crossing from UKR to Czech Republic (where he was living), he was given a hard time by the UKR border guards — a hard time which included him being threatened with a gun to his head and then being struck with the rifle butt.
One of his travelling companions put him wise to the reason:
– “You’re obviously new to this.
You clearly didn’t realise that all he wanted was a bribe” –
My brother learned fast and it didn’t happen again.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Jul 3 2023 11:03 utc | 264

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 10:43 utc | 263
I suppose Australia was protected like the marsupials were allowed their own development due to remoteness.
Geographically male worship of brute force was probably centered around the Caucasus and Mesopotamia with tentacles towards the Gobi and Mongolia at first.
To be not anthropogically watertight is logical for this theory being based on mostly repressed knowledge and re-interpretative post-hoc narratives from the early patriarchy.
Re-reading the old greek theater teaches a lot about the successful coup d’etat of the patriarchy that spawned the modern era while erasing the mostly matristical culture from the Egean sea and Crete.
Anyway, good day to you.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 3 2023 11:10 utc | 265

Douglas Macgregor 2 hour podcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o92oSgU17Lo
Old “Barry R. Posen” plan to use Ukraine in the war, from 30 years back.
https://www.thepostil.com/1993-the-barry-r-posen-plan-for-war-on-russia-via-zombie-state-ukraine/

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 3 2023 11:37 utc | 266

It’s not race in France (or the US). It’s economics. Most people horrified by racism don’t riot. But take people living on the margins, fed up with the system and then light a match…

Posted by: WG | Jul 3 2023 11:41 utc | 267

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 3 2023 10:21 utc | 260
citizen x posted this
OFF-TOPIC : Anti Serial Posters
What about a MoA Chrome Extension that will remove all those serial posters from your sight? Right now, I can only see 18 of 28 comments 🙂
I could have zipped a file with it, but I guess that for everyone’s peace of mind it is better to simply document the steps and necessary code.
There’s a ReadMe with instructions on how to create 3 single text-only files (Javascript) that constitute the Extension.
Two are very simple and quite clear in its inner workings.
And another one, which is a big Javascript library, that has to be copied from the official source (link provided) and pasted into a blank file.
If some regular reader finds this useful, please re-post it on the next OpenThread (preferably at the beginning). Thanks!
Link is https://gist.github.com/3194790

Posted by: Teal | Jul 3 2023 11:44 utc | 268

Thought this was the “Ukraine” thread…

Posted by: Miller J | Jul 3 2023 11:52 utc | 269

Greg
Australia was essentially Palaeolithic not neolithic although it is now recognised that there were some settlements and agriculture.
However it is true that there was a strong matriarchal presence.
Never heard of groups of wild young men or paedophilia in Australia. I think it is more a product of herding culture because groups of men went travelling together.

Posted by: Watcher | Jul 3 2023 11:53 utc | 270

I was heartened by the anarchist speech NEVER FORGET – from LARKEN ROSE during the so-called pandemic and read his book on anarchy. I found it fairly childish and as an ex small town poli who used governing to get things done lacking reality. But here’s the speech on obedience:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bHvCNplmKc5G/
Apologies if reposted.

Posted by: Inki | Jul 3 2023 11:54 utc | 271

Posted by: Teal | Jul 3 2023 11:44 utc | 269
Or use the uBlock Origin utility, available for Chrome, Chromium, Edge, Firefox, Opera, Pale Moon, as well as versions of Safari prior to 13.
To use, just open the My Filters tab in the Settings and post the following line, one for each offending individual:
http://www.moonofalabama.org##div.comments-body:has(p:contains(Posted by: name-of-offending-individual))
Then “Apply Changes”, close the Settings, refresh the page, poof – all posts by that individual and anyone quoting him using the Post by line disappears.
Easy peasy.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 11:59 utc | 272

By the way, anyone heard of Wagner or Prigozin lately? That is, not from the ‘western’ unfriendly MSM, but from any Russian blogs, newspapers, or TV?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 3 2023 12:07 utc | 273

Those bio-labs are not conspiracy theory, they are conspiracy fact.
Posted by: JustAMaverick | Jul 2 2023 16:02 utc | 22

Just a little reminder regarding the US bioweapons lab ‘conspiracy theory’.
https://dilyana.bg/documents-expose-us-biological-experiments-on-allied-soldiers-in-ukraine-and-georgia/
https://dilyana.bg/pentagon-contractors-worked-in-ukrainian-biolabs-under-80-million-program/

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 3 2023 12:33 utc | 274

By the way, anyone heard of Wagner or Prigozin lately? That is, not from the ‘western’ unfriendly MSM, but from any Russian blogs, newspapers, or TV?
Posted by: ostro | Jul 3 2023 12:07 utc | 273
Africa seems to be in limelights in TG

Posted by: Catilina | Jul 3 2023 12:42 utc | 275

Miller J | Jul 3 2023 11:52 utc | 270
“Thought this was the “Ukraine” thread…”
Well, me too! But instead…

Leonid Kuchma is reported as telling his fellow Ukrainians to get out of the country by autumn this year.

Regarding a possible false-flag event at the ZNPP by the deranged Zelensky regime: I don’t get why Russia hasn’t made it crystal clear yet, publicly, that if anything happens to the ZNPP, they will obliterate any remaining government building in Ukraine until they hit Zelensky. Something as abominable as playing with nuclear stuff surely warrants a harsh and swift punishment.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 3 2023 12:48 utc | 276

“At the same time, Kyiv is trying…”
Posted by: Peast | Jul 3 2023 12:08 utc | 274
There is no way that Russian Minister of Defense said Kyiv. This begs the question who translated his speech.

Posted by: Pagan | Jul 3 2023 12:49 utc | 277

148,
” that large and general racial uprisings can start with just one cop shoot, then spread into a whole class and ethnic war. ”
My impression, from watching a number of the social media videos of the French riots, is that there must be some degree of coordination behind them—or at least preexisting organized groups ready to turn out to riot and loot and commit arson—because a lot of the rioters wear these identical black uniforms and are kitted out with identical black balaclavas.
Pouring gasoline on the walls of a school before setting it on fire is not a “spontaneous” act of frustration or protest or any such thing. It is premeditated arson.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 3 2023 12:58 utc | 278

https://niccolo.substack.com/p/us-state-department-trained-french
US State Department-Trained French Activist/Arsonist Pouring Fuel on the Fire
Dusty underestimated the perfidy of the USA in this case, which is understandable, as we cannot know everything that they are up to. There’s simply too much meddling going on.
I took the opportunity to reply to dusty, by going back to SCR #112 which had a segment on the spread of “Le Wokisme” in France. From SCR #112:
Although it has made inroads into French politics, it is nowhere near the level of success that it has achieved in the USA and Canada.
As the last panel, “Media and Universities: In Need of Reform and Reassessment?,” got under way, Diallo took the opportunity to argue the opposite position. Onstage with her were a political scientist and two philosophy professors, one of whom was the moderator, Perrine Simon-Nahum. Diallo is a well-known and polarizing figure in France, a telegenic proponent of identity politics with a large social-media following. She draws parallels between the French and American criminal-justice systems (one of her documentaries is called From Paris to Ferguson), making the case that institutional racism afflicts her nation just as it does the U.S., most notably in discriminatory stop-and-frisk policing. Her views would hardly be considered extreme in America, but here she is seen in some quarters as a genuinely subversive agent.
Diallo IS a subversive agent, and can be considered an American one thanks to what Chatterton Williams shares with us later on in the article:
In 2010, the U.S. State Department invited French politicians and activists to a leadership program to help them strengthen the voice and representation of ethnic groups that have been excluded from government. Rokhaya Diallo attended, which many of her critics still use as evidence that she is a trained proselytizer of American social-justice propaganda. (In 2017, under pressure from both the left and the right, Macron’s government asked for her removal—as Diallo put it to me, it “canceled” her—from a government advisory council, seemingly on the grounds that race- and religious-based political organizing contradicts key principles of French republicanism and secularism, or laïcité.)
But in a classified memo published on WikiLeaks, former U.S. Ambassador Charles H. Rivkin laid out the pragmatic, self-interested rationale for the program, part of what was called a “Minority Engagement Strategy”:
French institutions have not proven themselves flexible enough to adjust to an increasingly heterodox demography. We believe that if France, over the long run, does not successfully increase opportunity and provide genuine political representation for its minority populations, France could become a weaker, more divided country, perhaps more crisis-prone and inward-looking, and consequently a less capable ally.
What do you call a person who goes to a foreign country to receive training from them in how to exacerbate divisions back at home?

Posted by: Wookey | Jul 3 2023 13:06 utc | 279

premeditated
Posted by: Jane | Jul 3 2023 12:58 utc | 279

The only claim to premeditation that counts is a publicated platform for reform.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 3 2023 13:12 utc | 280

Note there have been no riots in Corsica, France.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 3 2023 13:14 utc | 281

Is anyone going to post anything about Ukraine on this Ukraine thread?
It is full of off-topic crap.

Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 13:32 utc | 282

@Wookey #280
1. Your post has nothing to do with the Ukraine. You can post it in the latest non-Ukraine Open Thread.
2. When quoting a text written by someone else, use <blockquote> </blockquote> tags. Note that the text you’re quoting already has three levels of nested quotations; these levels must be preserved when quoting by putting <blockquote> </blockquote> tags inside <blockquote> </blockquote> tags—otherwise it is impossible to tell who wrote what.

Posted by: S | Jul 3 2023 13:48 utc | 283

Ukraine? Sure. Anyone notice recent public comments by Zelensky? He said he had ten days for the offensive to accomplish something ( now 8?). He sounded plaintive in begging the military to conquer something, somewhere. One YouTube channel says Ukraine is desperate to capture a town or village some place.
I think this shows more than just desperation. It suggests that the top Ukr. military is sort of absent. Zaluzhny complains ( or his deep fake does) but that seems about it.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 3 2023 13:54 utc | 284

@ ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 13:32 utc | 283
Not much happens there. It seems as is a summer holidays all over.
However, a ZNPP has been discussed, Shoigu seems alive and well, Bombardier Challenger 650 ARTEMIS is coming back to Siauliai, Lithuania, from ISR mission along Kaliningrad and northern-western borders of Belorus and RF.
Other than that skies seem clear of much of NATO activity, RAF’s cargo plane probably delivered some nastiness and is flying back to UK.
Assuming usual clobber along the frontlines. It goes on, and on.
Surely some nasty hit on RF is in the making.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 13:57 utc | 285

Regarding a possible false-flag event at the ZNPP by the deranged Zelensky regime: I don’t get why Russia hasn’t made it crystal clear yet, publicly, that if anything happens to the ZNPP, they will obliterate any remaining government building in Ukraine until they hit Zelensky. Something as abominable as playing with nuclear stuff surely warrants a harsh and swift punishment.
Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 3 2023 12:48 utc | 277
Well. Imagine they did threaten that. And the Zelensky crowd goes and does it anyway. Then either Russia will be forced to level the entirety of Ukraine – or it will be considered weak for not doing so. They refused to back themselves into a corner like that.
Russia already said that they would consider it a nuclear attack on Russia. Leave it to the imagination of Zelensky and his western backers what might happen to them if they attack the ZNPP. Meanwhile the Russians demonstrate in-depth knowledge of command center locations, as they did in Kramatorsk.
As for Zelensky… do you actually think he is hiding in Ukraine? He only goes there if he absolutely cannot avoid it – like that one time that Ursula von der Leyen escorted him personally to Kiev. He was projecting so hard when he claimed that Putin had fled in terror during Prigozhin’s uprising.

Posted by: Martina | Jul 3 2023 14:09 utc | 286

“Back to basics.
In the neolithic period – over around 30,000 years (…)”
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 3 2023 10:18 utc | 259
My gosh!
The Neolithic began about 12,000 years ago when people began to farm the land.
The the rest is the same nonsense.
BTW, isn’t there an open thread to talk about issues not related to Ukraine?

Posted by: l4d8r1t | Jul 3 2023 14:11 utc | 287

whirlX | Jul 3 2023 13:57 utc | 286
Thanks for that. The question was mainly rhetorical but I appreciate your update.

Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 14:12 utc | 288

@ Scotch Bingeington | Jul 3 2023 12:48 utc | 277
Something as abominable as playing with nuclear stuff surely warrants a harsh and swift punishment.
Right there. I am optimistic that such accident will be avoided, and harshly nullified, if attempted.
It is just a NATO psy-op, kind of “all eyes on ZNPP while something else is preparing to happen elsewhere”. Old trick to fill the headlines and focus attention to evil RF that is going to shell themselves any time now, while positioned around nuclear power plant, that is under their control. Wild stuff.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 14:13 utc | 289

@ ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 14:12 utc | 289
Ag, man, what I am interested is how come that none of the commentators are from around north-east UK, vicinity of Sheffield, Peterborough or Norwich, to report of numbers of Eurofighters, flying around rather low? Those, obviously, are demonstrating who is in the power to the poor folk below. Does the folk understand that, remains the question.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 14:28 utc | 290

Alistair Crooke on the Prigozhin affair. And the increasing dominance of the US over the EU and the UK.
“…And in the confusion that ensued last weekend in the U.S., Tucker Carlson dared to imagine a simple question: “Why exactly are we at war with Russia?”
“It is a question – increasingly, an existential question – that should be posed to the EU leaders too – who, from the Maidan Coup onwards, have adopted policies that go against their own economic and security interests.
“From the Maidan regime-change onward, the EU eschewed building any substantive relations with Russia. It opted instead, to undermine Minsk, and actively to build and equip a large Ukrainian Army to repress dissent to the Maidan ‘coupists’ agenda.
“Instead, since the start of the conflict”, Thomas Fazi writes, “European nations have unquestioningly deferred to U.S. strategy, placing heavy sanctions on Russia; joining America’s proxy war, by providing ever-growing levels of military aid to Ukraine and supporting the narrative of a conflict that can only be resolved with Ukraine’s total military victory. This strategy, contrary to that of the other major actors involved, has jeopardized Europe’s strategic interests, from both an economic and a security perspective”.
“In economic terms, the EU followed the U.S. lead in sanctioning Russia in a way that, plainly said, mortgages the economic future of Europe for years ahead.
“The full subservience to wider NATO-isation has brought too (from a U.S. perspective) the demand that Europe support U.S. strategic industrial policy – and help ensure American technological dominance vis-à-vis China. The EU can do so only by acquiescing to U.S. industrial policy and by circumscribing their economic relations with China according to American concepts of strategic technologies. This is what Europe is doing….”
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/07/03/prigozhin-and-the-diminishment-of-europe/
John Helmer looks at the Public Opinion polls in Russia:
https://johnhelmer.net/whats-the-score-now-in-the-russian-regime-changing-game/

Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2023 14:31 utc | 291

@ bevin | Jul 3 2023 14:31 utc | 292
“From the Maidan regime-change onward, the EU eschewed building any substantive relations with Russia.”
It should read: “From Putin’s speech at Muenchen Security Conference 2007 onward…”
Understanding that, might bring many, already discussed, theories to the new reiteration cycles. Since that year, RF never did anything good or a positive that was reported in MSM.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 14:52 utc | 292

Mercouris noticed the same thing I did. Zelensky is pleading with the Ukr. military to show some results soon.
Generally speaking, I would say that pleading with your military forces ( as opposed to commanding them) is a very bad sign.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 3 2023 15:02 utc | 293

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 10:03 utc | 255
If someone has a good potted summary of the current status of nuclear material at ZNPP, please free to post it.
As far as I can tell from following the matter along with everything else, the reactors are either shut down or in a state where loss of all reactor controls and cooling might damage the reactor with residual heat but not result in a large release of radioactivity. The reactor buildings themselves are strong so are likely to withstand anything short of repeated attack with penetrator warheads.
The risk seems to be in stored radioactive material, particularly the cooling pools that are designed to contain material that must be actively cooled to prevent thermal breakdown of the spent fuel rods, up to possible spontaneous combustion and atmospheric release of a radioactive smoke / ash plume. Hot fuel of this sort would be extremely difficult to move off site (it might never be done in practice), especially with the poor security situation, so I’m assuming everything is still on site.
There were comments a while ago mentioning TG posts that said RF engineers were in the process of installing new concrete features to protect material storage areas at ZNPP.
In the reports of fire being directed at ZNPP, the two locations I remember most are Nikopol and Marhanets, with RF often claiming counter-battery success against UA units in these towns. These are large populated areas approximately 10 miles from ZNPP but there are others up and down the UA side of the river and smaller ones inland.
One thing to note is that the UA populations centers either border the river or are surrounded by farmland, with few access roads running along the coast or inland.
Given that UA forces have been using these populated areas as cover for ongoing attacks on ZNPP and now as cover for significant force accumulation, I think we must accept that anything within range of sharp counter-battery fire could be forcibly evacuated and maintained as a buffer zone / no-man’s-land by military-technical means of a similar type but greater scale than those already demonstrated by RF in that area.
It is therefore a question of a choice being made to allow civilian life to continue on the UA side even though it is being used as cover for military actions and preparations against the nuclear power complex.
It might be a purely political calculation that forcing a UA civilian evacuation is controversial and would make post-conflict return to normality more difficult or perhaps impossible in that area. It could be a military calculation that the tactical situation is such that a zone largely free of civilians wouldn’t necessarily make it easier to protect ZNPP from sporadic attack.
I think it is worth enquiring as to what the basis is of the strategy at ZNPP because it certainly seems to have facilitating substantial UA force accumulation in the vicinity of the plant.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 3 2023 15:09 utc | 294

In response to Eighthman@294,
Z was never in command of security structures in Ukraine, rather the other way around. At most he’s been allowed to act independently in matters not directly relating to their plans for the country. He needs to be careful even about pleading with them, they’re not going to appreciate it. He’s basically foisting his prospective failure to secure more foreign support on their inability to achieve success on the battlefield and that won’t go down well.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 3 2023 15:13 utc | 295

It should read: “From Putin’s speech at Muenchen Security Conference 2007 onward…”
Understanding that, might bring many, already discussed, theories to the new reiteration cycles. Since that year, RF never did anything good or a positive that was reported in MSM.
Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 14:52 utc | 293
That late?
Here in Germany that started right at the time when Putin became president, in 1999. First he mistreated the poor Chechens in the Chechen war. Then he arrested Khordorkovski who would have saved Russia from him. German MSM actually called Khodorkovsky Russia’s last chance in the run-up to the 2004 election. The media attacked Gerhard Schröder, who was the German chancellor back then, for negotiating for Nordstream I and Russian gas. They never stopped.

Posted by: Martina | Jul 3 2023 15:17 utc | 296

@ Martina | Jul 3 2023 15:17 utc | 298
Yes, true that, however,
Here in Germany
I still think that there are two Germanies. At least Thatcher was paraphrased there along. When I visit Eastern Germany I do not recognize such animosity even today.
Indeed, some unethical German businesses were cleansed from RF from the day 1 of Putin’s admin.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 15:36 utc | 297

reply to 297
My obstacle to believing that Zelensky is a puppet is Bakhmut. Nobody in their right mind should have wasted manpower on that and Zaluzhny knew it. They walked into a Russian trap and only Zelensky was fool enough to do it.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 3 2023 15:40 utc | 298

To be not anthropogically watertight is logical for this theory being based on mostly repressed knowledge and re-interpretative post-hoc narratives from the early patriarchy.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 3 2023 11:10 utc | 266

By which you mean based on the fantasies of sickly pederasts and paedophiles from the 1970s who still haven’t quite died out yet.
Not to worry, won’t be long now.

Posted by: Due West | Jul 3 2023 15:48 utc | 299

@ Richard Steven Hack 118
The Situationists and May 1968 – Miguel Amorós
“>https://libcom.org/article/situationists-and-may-1968-miguel-amoros

Great essay! Little seems to have been written about the Situationists after the initial fervor and when the results, actually the lack of results, could be examined with 20/20 hindsight. The Situationists had deep ideas, as relevant today as in the 1960’s.
But the results were, as Amorós said, minor, and he asked “Why?” – but didn’t answer the question. The answer is in the total failure of May ’68. At the time, it was not understood as a Color Revolution against Charles de Gaulle and an independent France. Traitors like Daniel Cohn-Bendit were not recognized as agents back when something could have been done about it. It was not until the rise of Georges Pompidou, who worked for the Rothschilds 1953-1962, and the effective privatization, circa 1975, of the Bank Of France and thus the end of economic growth, that French citizens could see they had been screwed from the top. The repression lasted from 1968 until at least 1972, and May 1968 became just another 60’s type fantasy.
In 1972 I went to the Nanterre campus, looking for remnants of the original rebels. There was absolutely no such people there, and it was just another dingy commuter campus. Now, I believe there never was any real movement there, probably just a handful of activists with strings being pulled from above. By 1972, the action was at the Vincennes campus and the students were solidly middle-class, not working-class. Even demonstrations for the basic demand for university-level night schools (so people could get a second chance in their career, which in the USA is taken for granted), cost at least one life at the hands of police.
I think it’s still worth pursuing why and how all the energy of the 1960’s was ultimately led into a dead end.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Jul 3 2023 15:49 utc | 300