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July 2, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-157
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Poland is a great place to visit. Above all rich in culture and cheap, which makes it quite a popular destination among people in the Baltic Sea region. Perhaps that was supposed to be the cover story here. Doesn’t quite fit though for someone in Australia. Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 3 2023 4:21 utc | 201 Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2023 4:09 utc | 200 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 4:25 utc | 202 “…the Outlaw US Empire is owned and operated by Wall Street, which is the primary Fascist entity on the planet.” Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 4:38 utc | 203 Academia whores itself out to anybody who will keep them in a comfortable respectable lifestyle. Plenty hasn’t had a change of heart. He was writing lethal crap for Nazi, Zionist , US hegemonic neocons and tailored his writing to their exact predilections. Posted by: Giyane | Jul 3 2023 4:46 utc | 204 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 4:25 utc | 203 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 4:48 utc | 205 Posen, not plenty, a zionist war criminal posing as a professor of political science. Posted by: Giyane | Jul 3 2023 4:49 utc | 206 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 3 2023 3:22 utc | 177 Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 4:52 utc | 207 Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 4:25 utc | 203– Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 4:52 utc | 208 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 5:02 utc | 209 Wisco | Jul 3 2023 4:38 utc | 204– Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 5:02 utc | 210 Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 5:06 utc | 211 @ karlof1 | Jul 3 2023 4:09 utc | 200 Posted by: John Kennard | Jul 3 2023 5:15 utc | 212 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 4:48 utc | 206
Essentially you end up with pretty much the world you have now – except without the bullshit about “democracy”, “sanctity of the state”, etc., or in other words, “spooks of the mind”, as Max Stirner would put it. In other words, people need to live in the real world before they change that world. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 5:22 utc | 213 Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 4:52 utc | 208 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 5:36 utc | 214 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 2 2023 23:06 utc | 129 Posted by: scc | Jul 3 2023 5:58 utc | 215 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 5:22 utc | 214 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 6:02 utc | 216 Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2023 5:00 utc | 209
I might commend to you the book by David Friedman, ironically the son of Chicago School doyen Milton Friedman (available for free here):
we’re speaking at cross purposes since you’re so far behind the curve of understanding the anarcho-capitalist anarchist concept, let alone the individualist anarchist concept, that there can be no profitable discussion, certainly not here. So let’s leave it at that. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 6:03 utc | 217 “Vasmin” s/b “Yasmin” Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 6:06 utc | 218 Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 4:52 utc | 208 Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 6:08 utc | 219 Seems as if the Bar needs 3 permanent threads Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:23 utc | 220 Re: French Destablization Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:28 utc | 221 Seems as if the Bar needs 3 permanent threads Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 6:32 utc | 222 Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 6:08 utc | 220 Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 6:51 utc | 223 Fogh Rasmussen demands Kiev get easy access to NATO but fails to mention he is paid by Kiev Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 3 2023 6:54 utc | 224 Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:23 utc | 221 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 6:59 utc | 225 [222] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 3 2023 7:01 utc | 226 One huge positive of MoA vs certain other sites like Martyanov’s or Zero Hedge is that there are no tallies of “upvotes” or “downvotes”. Each post has to be evaluated on its own merits and not judged in a popularity contest. MoA has more intelligent and diverse commentary. Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 7:03 utc | 227 Military summary 2nd July: Posted by: unimperator | Jul 3 2023 7:22 utc | 228 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 3 2023 7:01 utc | 227 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 3 2023 7:22 utc | 229 Richard, Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 7:23 utc | 230 Here is a good analysis from the Eurasian Times of the failure of the Ukrainian Offensive and the role of the KA-52 Alligator. Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 7:29 utc | 231 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 3 2023 5:36 utc | 215 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 3 2023 7:55 utc | 232 So Europe is overdue revolution and no outcome there favours USA since opposition wants US out of Europe Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 3 2023 8:00 utc | 233 US and Britain agree “Atlantic Declaration,” pledging economic warfare against Russia and China Posted by: ak74 | Jul 3 2023 8:09 utc | 234 “I wish there was a way we could just read the clobber list without having to wade through hundreds of banal comments. Posted by: yarpos | Jul 3 2023 8:17 utc | 235 The leader of the ruling party Georgian Dream said that the opposition National Movement wanted to invade Abkhazia during the Prigo events and then enter the city of Sochi. Posted by: rk | Jul 3 2023 8:20 utc | 236 @ Paul Greenwood | Jul 3 2023 6:54 utc | 225 Posted by: too scents | Jul 3 2023 8:28 utc | 237 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 2 2023 21:36 utc | 111
Degrees centigrade are not a unit of radiation. Posted by: bolangi | Jul 3 2023 8:41 utc | 238 Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 6:51 utc | 224 Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 8:46 utc | 239 Or, as Dmitry Medvedev has said about the British in particular: Posted by: ostro | Jul 3 2023 8:46 utc | 240 Posted by: bolangi | Jul 3 2023 8:41 utc | 239 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 8:57 utc | 241 @ostro | Jul 3 2023 8:46 utc | 241
Airstrip One is as we all know an unsinkable aircraft carrier. Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 3 2023 8:58 utc | 242 Degrees centigrade are not a unit of radiation. Paul Greenwood @ 225
I certainly did long time back, that’s why Boris was making something like a trip a month, to pick up the vig. All those washed up idiot stars, Bono, Penn, Joli, Hamil, while likely fellow WEF Nazi travelers where also getting paid for their performance. Assholes and Nazis never do anything out of the kindness of their heart but they’ll even eat their own shit for a big enough pile of lucre. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 3 2023 9:06 utc | 244 Some more ammo to the ICC criminal case against Putin: Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 3 2023 9:18 utc | 245 Seems as if the Bar needs 3 permanent threads Posted by: B. Wildered | Jul 3 2023 9:20 utc | 246 I was referring to Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:23 utc | 221 Posted by: B. Wildered | Jul 3 2023 9:22 utc | 247 Re: Posted by: enderman100 | Jul 2 2023 20:47 utc | 97
Posted by: Julian | Jul 3 2023 9:29 utc | 248 Russian destroyed M-109 Posted by: Crazy chump | Jul 3 2023 9:36 utc | 249 Russian destroyed Leopard Posted by: Crazy chump | Jul 3 2023 9:40 utc | 250 NPP – my take. Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 3 2023 9:55 utc | 251 Exile #231 Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 9:59 utc | 252 Situation in northern Europe: Posted by: unimperator | Jul 3 2023 10:03 utc | 253 @ bolangi | Jul 3 2023 8:41 utc | 239 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 10:03 utc | 254 RSH takes up a lot of space and time here. Thankfully he has used a little software trick to hide my comments. The benefit is more than mutual; I can laugh at its pompous long-winded bullshit that occasionally abides by the stopped clock principle and insult it openly as often as it deserves without disrupting a thread. I highly recommend it. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 3 2023 10:10 utc | 255 @ karlof1, §110: Posted by: John Marks | Jul 3 2023 10:15 utc | 256 Most probably, the Ukraine will attempt another ‘counteroffensive’ and that’s somewhere around Zoporozhye area before the NATO festival in Vilnius. By the way, why this ‘offensive’ is called ‘counteroffensive’ is anybody’s guess. By breaking the Kakhovka dam didn’t help much for the Ukraine, as it is still hard to cross the Dniepr. Today is 4th, so not much time left for the feat. Posted by: ostro | Jul 3 2023 10:18 utc | 257 Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 6:08 utc | 220 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 3 2023 10:18 utc | 258 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 6:03 utc | 218 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 3 2023 10:21 utc | 259 @229 unimperator Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 3 2023 10:24 utc | 260 @256 Tom Collins Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 3 2023 10:26 utc | 261 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 3 2023 10:18 utc | 259 Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 10:43 utc | 262 @ rk, §237: Posted by: John Marks | Jul 3 2023 10:48 utc | 263 Assholes and Nazis never do anything out of the kindness of their heart but they’ll even eat their own shit for a big enough pile of lucre. Posted by: Engineer-John | Jul 3 2023 11:03 utc | 264 Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 3 2023 10:43 utc | 263 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 3 2023 11:10 utc | 265 Douglas Macgregor 2 hour podcast. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 3 2023 11:37 utc | 266 It’s not race in France (or the US). It’s economics. Most people horrified by racism don’t riot. But take people living on the margins, fed up with the system and then light a match… Posted by: WG | Jul 3 2023 11:41 utc | 267 @ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 3 2023 10:21 utc | 260 Posted by: Teal | Jul 3 2023 11:44 utc | 268 Greg Posted by: Watcher | Jul 3 2023 11:53 utc | 270 I was heartened by the anarchist speech NEVER FORGET – from LARKEN ROSE during the so-called pandemic and read his book on anarchy. I found it fairly childish and as an ex small town poli who used governing to get things done lacking reality. But here’s the speech on obedience: Posted by: Teal | Jul 3 2023 11:44 utc | 269 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2023 11:59 utc | 272 By the way, anyone heard of Wagner or Prigozin lately? That is, not from the ‘western’ unfriendly MSM, but from any Russian blogs, newspapers, or TV? Posted by: ostro | Jul 3 2023 12:07 utc | 273 Those bio-labs are not conspiracy theory, they are conspiracy fact. Posted by: Nobody | Jul 3 2023 12:33 utc | 274 By the way, anyone heard of Wagner or Prigozin lately? That is, not from the ‘western’ unfriendly MSM, but from any Russian blogs, newspapers, or TV? Miller J | Jul 3 2023 11:52 utc | 270 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 3 2023 12:48 utc | 276 “At the same time, Kyiv is trying…” Posted by: Pagan | Jul 3 2023 12:49 utc | 277 148, Posted by: Jane | Jul 3 2023 12:58 utc | 278 https://niccolo.substack.com/p/us-state-department-trained-french Posted by: Wookey | Jul 3 2023 13:06 utc | 279 premeditated Posted by: too scents | Jul 3 2023 13:12 utc | 280 Is anyone going to post anything about Ukraine on this Ukraine thread? Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 13:32 utc | 282 @Wookey #280 Posted by: S | Jul 3 2023 13:48 utc | 283 Ukraine? Sure. Anyone notice recent public comments by Zelensky? He said he had ten days for the offensive to accomplish something ( now 8?). He sounded plaintive in begging the military to conquer something, somewhere. One YouTube channel says Ukraine is desperate to capture a town or village some place. Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 3 2023 13:54 utc | 284 @ ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 13:32 utc | 283 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 13:57 utc | 285 Regarding a possible false-flag event at the ZNPP by the deranged Zelensky regime: I don’t get why Russia hasn’t made it crystal clear yet, publicly, that if anything happens to the ZNPP, they will obliterate any remaining government building in Ukraine until they hit Zelensky. Something as abominable as playing with nuclear stuff surely warrants a harsh and swift punishment. Posted by: Martina | Jul 3 2023 14:09 utc | 286 “Back to basics. Posted by: l4d8r1t | Jul 3 2023 14:11 utc | 287 whirlX | Jul 3 2023 13:57 utc | 286 Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 14:12 utc | 288 @ Scotch Bingeington | Jul 3 2023 12:48 utc | 277 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 14:13 utc | 289 @ ZimZum | Jul 3 2023 14:12 utc | 289 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 14:28 utc | 290 Alistair Crooke on the Prigozhin affair. And the increasing dominance of the US over the EU and the UK. Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2023 14:31 utc | 291 @ bevin | Jul 3 2023 14:31 utc | 292 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 14:52 utc | 292 Mercouris noticed the same thing I did. Zelensky is pleading with the Ukr. military to show some results soon. Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 3 2023 15:02 utc | 293 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 10:03 utc | 255 Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 3 2023 15:09 utc | 294 In response to Eighthman@294, Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 3 2023 15:13 utc | 295 It should read: “From Putin’s speech at Muenchen Security Conference 2007 onward…” Posted by: Martina | Jul 3 2023 15:17 utc | 296 @ Martina | Jul 3 2023 15:17 utc | 298 Posted by: whirlX | Jul 3 2023 15:36 utc | 297 reply to 297 Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 3 2023 15:40 utc | 298
By which you mean based on the fantasies of sickly pederasts and paedophiles from the 1970s who still haven’t quite died out yet. Posted by: Due West | Jul 3 2023 15:48 utc | 299 @ Richard Steven Hack 118 Posted by: JessDTruth | Jul 3 2023 15:49 utc | 300 |
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