The daily clobber list is by the Russian MOD.
You get on Telegram and join their Channel.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en
⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation
(2 July 2023)
Part II (see Part I)
▫️In Kupyansk direction, as a result of active actions by the Zapad Group of Forces, Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, as well as artillery, 2 enemy attacks have been repelled near Novosyolovskoye (Lugansk People’s Republic).
▫️In addition, Russian troops inflicted fire on manpower and hardware concentration areas of the 14th and 37th mechanised brigades of the AFU close to Novomlynsk, Dvurechnaya, Sinkovka, Berestovoye (Kharkov region) and Novosyolovskoye (Lugansk People’s Republic).
▫️The activities of 1 Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group have been suppressed close to Stelmakhovka (Lugansk People’s Republic).
▫️The enemy losses were up to 40 Ukrainian servicemen, 1 armoured fighting vehicle, 2 pickup trucks, and 1 D-20 howitzer.
▫️2 ammunition depots of the units of the 103rd Territorial Defence Brigade have been destroyed near Kislovka.
▫️In Kherson direction, the destruction of the AFU units that landed on Antonovsky Island in the Antonovsky Bridge area has been completed.
The enemy losses were up to 20 Ukrainian servicemen, 2 motor vehicles and 2 U.S.-manufactured M777 howitzers.
▫️Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have neutralised 79 AFU artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and hardware in 108 areas.
▫️In Kharkov region, AFU military hardware delivered from the central and western regions of Ukraine has been hit in places of unloading at railway stations close to Balakleya and Chuguev. The control points of the AFU 28th and 54th mechanised brigades have been hit close to Aleksandro-Shultino, Razdolovka and Vesyoloye (Donetsk People’s Republic).
▫️Air defence facilities have shot down 1 Su-25 aircraft of Ukrainian Air Force near Novoandreevka (Zaporozhye region). 4 HIMARS multiple-launch rocket system projectiles and 1 HARM anti-radar missile have been intercepted.
▫️In addition, 14 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been destroyed close to Soledar, Krasnaya Gora, Yakovlevka, Volodino, Egorovka, Orlinskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic), Kuibyshevo (Zaporozhye region), Belogorovka and Novokrasnyanka (Lugansk People’s Republic).
📊In total, 445 airplanes, 240 helicopters, 4,859 unmanned aerial vehicles, 426 air defence missile systems, 10,472 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,134 fighting vehicles equipped with MLRS, 5,300 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 11,365 special military motor vehicles have been destroyed during the special military operation.
🔹 Russian Defence Ministry

Posted by: Surferket | Jul 2 2023 14:29 utc | 3

If You actually want to know about the current fights posted by UKR&RF-MIL-State (2023-07-02), You may have a look to:

If not, pls. consider that US/EU won’t have any other “options” to destroy their own “Lands” !

Posted by: spare_truth | Jul 2 2023 14:30 utc | 5

Want to have some current MIL-Updates, today reported by the “truth”? Then pls. have a look to:
https://rumble.com/c/c-1613003
The so-called war from US-UK against RF is not yet coming to any of ending possible speaking, soon ..!

Posted by: spare_truth | Jul 2 2023 14:36 utc | 7

@#1…
You might win the internet today..
Still early though-:)

Posted by: Robert Hope | Jul 2 2023 14:47 utc | 9

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jul 2 2023 14:16 utc | 4
What you describe is the horror of the US Empire’s war doctrine. Its proxy forces have always been given wide latitude in committing acts of genocide and torture. American soldiers are encourage not to do such things because of the need to keep the US population “innocent” or whatever you want to call it–this is one reason Assange is so deeply hated by the martinets in Washington and London. In fact, of course, US soldiers do commit acts of genocide (killing civilians just because it feels good) and torture. I’ve heard stories, known men, who have committed horrible acts particularly in Vietnam but this sort of activity is not the normal acts of US soldiers. It is very normal with the Empire’s covert forces and their contractors who are often charged with deliberately terrorizing populations around the globe. Horrible acts, from our POV,
As for Ukraine, their culture seems steeped in horror from top to bottom and they are not the only populations wherein it has been the policy of the US to help bring out the worst of their culture. For example, the Latin American drug gangs and cartels are all a result of conscious US policy to degrade and corrupt their societies. We have to realize, as I have, that Washington is ruled by monsters beyond anything Ukrainian soldiers could even imagine doing. The Washington regime and their “imperial running dogs” have become (in spades) what the mid-twentieth century communists accused the West of being. While the US regimes of that time were not exactly humanitarians their leadership was quite mild compared with this bunch of human monsters currently in power in Washington who collectively have only one goal–complete conquest of every square inch or centimeter of the globe.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jul 2 2023 14:48 utc | 11

The clobber list is also at mil.ru
Use an uncensored DNS or an exit in Serbia.

Posted by: John Henry Mackay | Jul 2 2023 15:02 utc | 13

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jul 2 2023 14:48 utc | 11
It’s not the evil that I find shocking it’s the stupidity.
Trying this shit against a rebuilt Russia and a China that has restored itself to their historic position in the world is like trying to rob a donut shop across the street from a police station with a swat training center during a shift change with a butter knife.

Posted by: badjoke | Jul 2 2023 15:28 utc | 15

San@16…..that’s the joke, eh. England gets to whack a mole all over Russia, fly their wee planes up and down Russian coasts and thumb their nose at the utter stupidity of a first rate army getting a regular pole in the eye…..fuck man, White Hall must be pissing themselves with laughter.
What many forget, Bears are big, Bears are dangerous, and yet Bears make great rugs …teeth make handsome tokens too, big joo joo.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 2 2023 15:49 utc | 17

James Risen has an interesting article on The Intercept today. Basically states Prigozhin made ONE honest statement that the invasion was nothing more than a massive Russian oligarchy land grab to enrich themselves using poor Russians as cannon fodder. And for “Shoigu to receive a hero star”. No direct targeting of Putin.
Mentioned “pro-Russian conspiracy theories like the false claim that the U.S. funded bio-weapons labs in Ukraine”. I had heard of one such possible lab but was not aware that the charge had been honestly investigated and proven to be false. I’m a tech idiot who can’t figure out how to post the link.
I’m tired of being judged as pro-Putin when I merely try to understand the neocon history leading up to the invasion, but don’t cheerlead for Russians see the hypocrisy of the US ie NATO and most of the Western world leading the charge to save Ukraine’s democracy after the 2014 U.S. supported debacle fronted by that paragon of democratic values V Nuland. We created/supported this situation, cowardly drawing the line in Ukraine’s sand with little to no risk of American physical suffering.

Posted by: Sick and tired | Jul 2 2023 15:55 utc | 19

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 2 2023 15:20 utc | 14
While at Postil, i found this: 1993: The Barry R. Posen Plan for War on Russia via Zombie State Ukraine / Mendelssohn Moses
An obligatory read. Extracts:
> Its author, Barry R. Posen (Rand, CFR, MIT, Woodrow Wilson Foundation), belongs to the leather-armchair school of strategy the US so excels in: arranging
It seems Posen has undergone a conversion since then:
Ukraine’s Implausible Theories of Victory: The Fantasy of Russian Defeat and the Case for Diplomacy
By Barry R. Posen July 8, 2022
Barry R. Posen argues that a Ukrainian victory against Russia is implausible—and that expecting such a triumph prevents Kyiv and its partners from considering a more realistic approach.
(Foreign Affairs: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-07-08/ukraines-implausible-theories-victory)
“Posen”, huh? Posenstein. Posenberg. Posenbaum …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 2 2023 16:02 utc | 21

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 2 2023 15:20 utc | 14
Thanks! One of those nuggets of gold you find once in a while.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 2 2023 16:03 utc | 23

Given the desperate need to secure a “victory “!
Why no movement on Transdinistra?
What gives?

Posted by: jpc | Jul 2 2023 16:26 utc | 25

Posted by: jpc | Jul 2 2023 16:26 utc | 25
Why no movement on Transdinistra?
Because, imagine the embarrassment if they fail at even that.
Consider the bully who picks on the wrong guy and gets thrashed.
Then picks on the plaground runt and gets a bleeding nose from even him.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 2 2023 16:29 utc | 27

osted by: William Verick | Jul 2 2023 14:06 utc | 1
Sign up at Telegraph. Or contact Hack to see if he can tell you how to use his blocking device.

Posted by: morongobill | Jul 2 2023 16:42 utc | 29

In response to S@443 in the previous thread,

People who are demanding to silence those who are reporting the problems are unknowingly or knowingly working for the enemy.

If framed in this way, I doubt anyone would disagree. However, considering that the 72’nd Center for Psychological Info-Ops is also focused in disseminating narratives of a similar nature, occasionally tricking even trusted mil-bloggers to republish disinformation, the matter is more complicated than you appear to think.
For one, in order to report a problem, one must be aware of what the problem is. Awareness implies direct personal knowledge of the issue at hand — it is not the same as having read or heard something. It is also not equivalent to the product of open source material analysis because, although this work can be done to a very high standard, it is based on incomplete information and is likely to be distorted.
For two, reporting on military affairs as part of the ongoing war effort, as you imply is being done by you and unnamed others, is a very narrow field of reporting. It means, having first made certain of all the relevant facts of the matter, compiling a comprehensive written report or putting to memory a similarly detailed verbal report and producing it either to your superiors in strict order along the chain of command, if done within a military structure, or to the nearest relevant authority if done by a civilian. The latter largely concerns suspicions of enemy activity, which should be directed either to police or FSB, but in some cases it might relate to matters of war production.
Informing the general public of problems, real or imaginary, related to the ongoing conflict has more to do with the infowar which follows in the wake of any conflict, and the noncom participants in this infowar have little understanding who they’re helping or hurting with their participation. The most the public can do in response to the information they receive is to raise a stink, and placating an irate public means having to make a political decision regarding a potentially sensitive military matter — this calculation is the very reason why psych-ops units exist.
So the question of who’s working for the enemy is a perfectly valid one; whether it’s the one’s rocking the boat while in a storm, or the one’s telling them to sit down and shut up.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 2 2023 16:43 utc | 31

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 2 2023 16:46 utc | 32
You are correct sir!

Posted by: morongobill | Jul 2 2023 16:49 utc | 33

Posted by: airstrip1 | Jul 2 2023 16:53 utc | 34
Sorry, here’s the link – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA2CylyVqJw

Posted by: airstrip1 | Jul 2 2023 16:55 utc | 35

>>Prigozhin made ONE honest statement that the invasion was nothing more than a massive Russian oligarchy land grab to enrich themselves using poor Russians as cannon fodder.
Sick and tired | Jul 2 2023 15:55 utc | 19
Could be but I doubt it because the people who hold the land in the eastern area are Russian citizens. The big property seizure (buying at tiny cost) in Russia took place in the 1990’s.
The real deal is that we are not giving Ukraine arms, we are selling them arms in some sort of lend-lease deal. If they come out of this holding property and stay aligned with the political West, the country will be hugely in debt. No need to seize property if the profits can be collected through debt payments. One might say the property has already been seized. And saying the Russian’s want to do it is typical projection, something that currently dominates our coverage of the war.
Ukraine, if they could do it politically, would be well served by aligning with Russia, and by that means, stiff the West of its lend-least debt payments.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jul 2 2023 17:13 utc | 37

(…) It is beginning to crumble. Go French Citizens Go!! You will lead the collective West into revolting against their own Governments.
Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jul 2 2023 14:16 utc | 2
____________________________________________________________________________
Don’t be overhyped with the riots in France. They are in no way related to any political, even less geopolitical situation, and are pepretated by people who coulnd’t care less about Ukraine.
A stupid white cop lost his nerve and shot dead a criminal teenager from african descent that was fleeing away in a car. So now suburbs are burning because of “racism” you know, and this is nothing but the french version of BLM riots in the US following Floyd’s death. The rioters are burning schools, healthcare centers, libraries in their own neighborhood just to give you an idea of the level of political reflexion involved in the process. A huge wave of anti-white racism endorsed by the State and the media.
The next wars will all be civil wars, and most of them in the West will be fought on racial divide. That’s it.

Posted by: Pierrot | Jul 2 2023 17:17 utc | 39

jpc @ 25

Given the desperate need to secure a “victory “! Why no movement on Transdinistra? What gives?

It’s a pawn, time has not yet come to play it. They can still “trade it”, eg RF moves on Odessa or Kharkov, Zaporizhzhya, Kherson, Sumy, take your pick, and Ukraine/NATO will move on Transnistria. Maybe it’s being kept back if/when NATO enters the fray, it’ll headline that blitz, something to show quick success.
There’s the little problem that Transnistria while ethnically Russian is not Russia but Moldavian territory, this would be Ukraine invading Moldova, Ukraine would be the aggressor, NATO on NATO violence.
The best counter narrative for NATO would be for Moldova and/or Romania to do an SMO and invade Transnistria, but nothing here looks too good for NATO, not that they care. When the time comes they’ll play that pawn regardless propriety, the west is proven without scruples.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 2 2023 17:20 utc | 41

@ exile 4
Thx. Unz continues to be the best hosting site on the web for disparate, alternative, and often at-odds with, authors.
The essay in question’s main thrust seems to be that the Byzantines, by incorporating Hellenism into an equal standing with Christianity, whether sublating it into its movement or by letting it stand opposite to Christianity in its completeness, were able to stand as the western civilization par excellence, not just as a placeholder, a custodial library for the eventual so-called fullness of westernism in the Latin-rite Papacy.
The author understands that the Papists were much more inclined towards the Old Testament, with its violence and unassimilating tribalism, that has carried over seamlessly into what we see now in the west with regards to exerting its control towards full spectrum dominance.
Honestly, as a professed Catholic in the Latin rite, this makes a lot of sense to me personally. I have rarely ever connected intellectually with my fellows in the pews.
However, the Athenians were also philosophers turned hegemonists in their conquering of the Melians.
So perhaps Hellenism tempered with Christianity. Or vice versa. Or an equal mixture of both gave the Byzantines the staying-power of true empire. It’s food for thought nonetheless. Thx to the author.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 2 2023 17:25 utc | 43

42
The NATO Brain Trust can’t stop thinking about fecking up that Zapo Power plant and blaming Russia.
That seems a major strategy for them. They got nothing else.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jul 2 2023 17:28 utc | 45

Posted by: Poison Frogs | Jul 2 2023 17:06 utc | 36
It will not be know until well after the conflict is over as it serves neither sides interests to give out accurate numbers.
That said Mr. Hack does seem to have what in my opinion is a decent methodology and did some estimates in the previous thread. You can also try using some of the methods used by assorted military’s institutions for war gaming however the technologies being used in this war have never been used at the scale they are currently and some have never been used before making those methods less useful.

Posted by: badjoke | Jul 2 2023 17:38 utc | 47

oldhippie @ 46
Yep…the less Americans know about the actual location of a nation, the more likely they are to support military intervention.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jul 2 2023 17:39 utc | 49

Does anybody have links to estimates of Ukrainian human loses (KIA, WIA, MIA) since the beginning of the war?
Feb 24, 2022 to Jul 02, 2023 = 493 days
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Jul 2 2023 17:06 utc | 36

Look at the report Kyiv Independent releases every day from Ukraine MOD. I’d suspect that’s pretty close to Ukrainian losses.
This has been discussed before, but there’s a pretty high probability that the way Ukraine counts losses – however perverted it may sound but it’s logical – they include Russian speaking Ukrainians for the simple reason that the Kiev regime represents western Ukraine, which hates RU speaking and ethnic people in eastern Ukraine and wants to get rid of them. It also makes sense when you know that Azov and Kraken are used as blocking detachments to prevent those eastern Ukrainians from running away.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2023 17:41 utc | 51

State and DOD documents on The Ukrainian Bio-Wespons Labs
https://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

Posted by: Exile | Jul 2 2023 17:51 utc | 53

The question is, will France burn again today? And, what about the Ukraine?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 2 2023 18:11 utc | 55

Six people arrested after riots in Lausanne inspired by protests in France. MSM reports.
Where else will it get transferred?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 2 2023 18:14 utc | 57

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 2 2023 15:20 utc | 14
Great find, many details slightly off but only slightly given the timeline, not sure what all this means for the ongoing conflict. Confirms my impression that neocons are happy enough with what’s going on, Russia’s battlefield successes don’t presently constitute a threat to the overall strategy. Grinding of men & materiel proceeds apace but UA mobilisation cuts ever deeper to meet demand, things might change for the better if either runs out.
Progressive westward Bidenization of Europe continues.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 2 2023 18:20 utc | 59

Don’t be overhyped with the riots in France… A stupid white cop lost his nerve and shot dead a criminal teenager from african descent…
Posted by: Pierrot | Jul 2 2023 17:17 utc | 39
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So, African descent is the problem here? Not that France is paying for its criminal colonial past?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 2 2023 18:25 utc | 61

@Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 2 2023 17:38 utc | 48
Re ZNPP.
Russia secured ZNPP in the early weeks of the war. I dont think Ukraine forces had time to plant and hide explosives. As they were retreating Ukraine did damage the plant with shelling, explosives, and start fires. But the fires were put out and damage mitigated. Seems to me If Ukraine was going to blow the plant they would have done it then.
However Ukraine has 3 other NPPs that they could conduct a Scorched Earth policy with. It has been reported they use these plants to store weapons. Because Russia will not target them.
Ukraine could easily use ZNPP as a distraction and blow up another nuke plant, blaming Russia. Ukraine has proven time and again to be evil enough to cause a total disaster like that.
Ukraine can also hold those plants as a sword over the head of NATO. Saying give us weapons and money Or Else!

Posted by: Golddigger | Jul 2 2023 18:27 utc | 63

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jul 2 2023 14:16 utc | 2
Two thumbs up!

Posted by: spudski | Jul 2 2023 18:34 utc | 65

Don’t be overhyped with the riots in France… A stupid white cop lost his nerve and shot dead a criminal teenager from african descent…
Posted by: Pierrot | Jul 2 2023 17:17 utc | 39
France like it is known, at least since the 90s.
Movie “La haine” 1995
https://youtu.be/FKwcXt3JIaU
Now germany is almost like this, france is much more worse.

Posted by: 600w | Jul 2 2023 18:35 utc | 67

@ Golddigger, §63:
YouCrane (or Z) is behaving like a psychiatric patient saying “Gimme what I want or I´ll kill myself!”

Posted by: John Marks | Jul 2 2023 18:43 utc | 69

SVT,tv, today following an Azov unit
trained by a Swedish instructor in night battles. They were set on to attack a Russian trench, and moved
away, not all returned back, and the
instructor says he so far, made friendship with 100 soldiers today all dead.
Tuesday, Sweden’s PM, Kristersson
visits Biden, and July 13,Biden goes to Finland,the same day, all Nordic
PMs will meet in Helsinki,its about
Nato, Turkey’s refusal to let Sweden
into Nato, then the main Nato-summit in Vilnius,think Nato has problems,
with the Ukraine, Turkey and a new
gen.sec.,after Stoltenberg,=”You will get more Nato- not less” well, well…

Posted by: Reader | Jul 2 2023 19:00 utc | 71

Any sighting of those British Challenger 2 tanks sent to Ukraine? Are they saving them for some sort of even greater greatest offensive, have the British refused to allow them to go to the front out of fear of seeing the same fate as Leo 2’s or were they destroyed along with their ammo a few weeks back?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 2 2023 19:13 utc | 73

Highly recommend this read for barflies.
Barfleas would benefit. But of course won’t read.
https://www.thepostil.com/1993-the-barry-r-posen-plan-for-war-on-russia-via-zombie-state-ukraine/
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 2 2023 15:20 utc | 14
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Melaleuca, I did read the article and went on to research who Berry R. Posen is, and his works. You hit a gold mine, and if “b” doesn’t read this and early writing about Ukraine than he will have done all of us a great disservice.
(Foreign Affairs: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-07-08/ukraines-implausible-theories-victory)
First of all, who is Berry Posen: “Barry R. Posen is Ford International Professor of Political Science at MIT, Director Emeritus of the MIT Security Studies Program, and serves on the Executive Committee of Seminar XXI… In 2016 he was appointed Henry A. Kissinger Chair (visiting) in Foreign Policy and International Relations at the Library of Congress, John W. Kluge Center. He is the 2017 recipient of the International Security Studies Section (ISSS), International Studies Association, Distinguished Scholar Award, and in 2019 received the Notre Dame International Security Center’s Lifetime Achievement Award.
He has been a Council on Foreign Relations International Affairs Fellow; Rockefeller Foundation International Affairs Fellow; Guest Scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies; Woodrow Wilson Center Fellow, Smithsonian Institution; Transatlantic Fellow of the German Marshall Fund of the United States; and a Visiting Fellow at the John Sloan Dickey Center at Dartmouth College.
In 1994, SSP professor Barry Posen published “A Defense Concept for Ukraine” in the Russian language journal Ukraine: Issues of Security. Today [March 4, 2022], for the first time, Dr. Posen and SSP are publishing that plan in English. Given the ongoing war in Ukraine, and the apparent sturdiness of Ukrainian defense forces, it is a timely piece of analysis from the twilight of the Cold War.
The items in the article that Melaleuca highly recommends is based on Posen’s 1994 MIT essay just recently issued in English: One will not have to read very far into the Foreign Affairs article to realize that the US / Nato has been working on this plan for many years. In fact, the MIT article explains why previous US presidents pushed so hard to bring Poland and Baltic states into NATO.
I declare that this is not a recommended read for real MoA Barflies, but a MUST READ.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 2 2023 19:24 utc | 75

HB_Norica @ 73

Any sighting of those British Challenger 2 tanks..?

The Ukrainian ghetto kids broke all their Soviet toys, the rich EU and USA kids kindly let them play with some of their old worn out toys and they broke those all those, then their moms yelled and said play nice and let the poor kids play with whatever they want, and the rich kids hesitantly handed over a few of their new expensive toys and the Ukie boys instantly broke those… Now, the shiny expensive toys will only be played with by the rich kids themselves… when the go play in Ukraine.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 2 2023 19:28 utc | 77

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 2 2023 19:13 utc | 73
I suspect that they are having a harder time getting trained volunteers to commit suicide by advancing in tanks without air cover from the groups of people trained in the operations of the Challenger 2. Outside of the UK the Challenger 2 is only used by some gulf states that do not have the burning hate of all things Russia unlike the Leo2 that has several butthurt belt countries with fully trained crews willing to die if they have any chance of killing a Russian. Unless you still buy the notion that those armored vehicles are being taken into combat by people with 5 weeks of training at which point sure they are hiding them to protect the nonexistent future sales of the Chally 2.

Posted by: badjoke | Jul 2 2023 19:33 utc | 79

Thanks b for the continued excellent work. And much thanks to the barflies for their continued excellent contributions.
Posted by: Golddigger | Jul 2 2023 18:27 utc | 63
Re: ZNPP, as stated Russia have held it for 18 months and the NATO / Ukraine false flag attack has been mooted for over a year. Isn’t it likely that the Russians have effectively de-commissioned the site and taken all the most dangerous components away? This would expose NATO / Ukraine for the imbeciles they are when they attack a nuclear reactor, scream blue murder that it was the Russians that bombed themselves (yet again…wake up western brain washed people) and are responsible for the nuclear fall-out, …that doesn’t happen.
But NATO / Ukraine are psychotic enough to attack a nuclear power plant…so their compliant media can make BS headlines about how bad the Russians are. In order to do what? Any escalation by NATO is a dead end (more troops and equipment just gets destroyed / nuclear escalation will
be met by MAD – so a no, even for the psychos), which means that this act of unparalleled vandalism would just be to keep the blue and yellow flagged idiots on Twitter onside. It’s what this war is all about NATO / Ukraine certainly don’t care for their civilians or cannon fodder troops.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jul 2 2023 19:40 utc | 81

It seems Posen has undergone a conversion since then:
Ukraine’s Implausible Theories of Victory: The Fantasy of Russian Defeat and the Case for Diplomacy
By Barry R. Posen July 8, 2022
Barry R. Posen argues that a Ukrainian victory against Russia is implausible—and that expecting such a triumph prevents Kyiv and its partners from considering a more realistic approach.
(Foreign Affairs: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-07-08/ukraines-implausible-theories-victory)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 2 2023 16:02 utc | 21
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Today, Berry Posen considers himself a “Realist” much like Mearsheimer. In !994, he seems to have been a neo-con. At the very least, the neo-cons have adapted his ideas at any rate.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 2 2023 19:50 utc | 83

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jul 2 2023 19:40 utc | 81
US can just create the radiation data and crisis out of thin air if they want, and then spread and scream about it in a psychotic fashion which will drown out everything else and voice of reason. They have invested so much time and effort in this scenario that it will either happen within 11 days or it won’t happen ever at all. But it seems it is clearly timed and projected to occur between July 7th – July 11th. My guess is they will manufacture a crisis (even if nothing happened to the plant) and use it to drive Polski tanks to Volyn.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2023 19:58 utc | 85

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 2 2023 19:44 utc | 82
“I declare that this is not a recommended read for real MoA Barflies, but a MUST READ.”
«Agreed amazing, yet most it of it was obvious to anyone watching carefully over the last 30ys. […] Still, I didn’t expect it t be all in one essay, by one guy.»
There are more quite explicit essays like this, for example from the usual Zbigniew Brzezinki, and even earlier non-USA ones, inspired by this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheism
«Prometheism or Prometheanism (Polish: Prometeizm) was a political project initiated by Józef Piłsudski, statesman of the Second Polish Republic from 1918 to 1935. Its aim was to weaken the Russian Empire and its successor states, including the Soviet Union, by supporting nationalist independence movements among the major non-Russian peoples that lived within the borders of Russia and the Soviet Union. Between the World Wars, Prometheism and Piłsudski’s other concept, of an “Intermarium federation”, constituted two complementary geopolitical strategies for him and for some of his political heirs. […] Marshal Piłsudski, who as early as 1904, in a memorandum to the Japanese government, pointed out the need to employ, in the struggle against Russia, the numerous non-Russian nations that inhabited the basins of the Baltic, Black and Caspian Seas»
I guess that most of the fanbois who infest this bar have never heard of “prometheism” or the “intermarium” or the Ruthenian Kingdom, despite my attempts to mention them repeatedly.
«Too bad Gorby and Yeltsin never read it, nor anyone in the post Soviet govt.»
The USSR and the RF have always had strategic analysts who were well aware of “Prometheism” and the plans of the USA, and who briefed their politicians.
But Gorbachev and Yeltsin were either compromised or too optimistic about being able to do cooperation with the USA, and simply did not have the resources to fight back: their main worry was to bend over to get USA credit to buy USA cereals as a famine was developing in the USSR and early RF, also because the oil price had collapsed because of a strategic plan between the Saudi princes and the USA government.
A very different situation from the current situation where the RF is self-sufficient in both fuels and cereals.

Posted by: Blissex | Jul 2 2023 20:17 utc | 87

Posted by: Blissex | Jul 2 2023 19:39 utc | 80
Worse:. Bodo League Massacre
Up to 200,000 killed under watch and approval of USA in South Korea…
…then blamed all the murders on communists and North Koreans. Thats why I dont believe any of the numbers about so called millions killed by “murderous dictators”.
In the right-wing-o-sphere, there are people who claim Lenin killed hundred of thousands… Chavez and Maduro have killed tens of thousands .. wha? Nope, nope, nope.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 2 2023 20:19 utc | 89

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 2 2023 19:57 utc | 84
AMX-10rc is used by the French foreign legion so I am sure that they had plenty of eastern Europeans including Ukrainians that were already fully trained in there use. I am just not going to buy that they are using fresh recruits with 5 weeks of training on machines that take years to have fully qualified crews. Maybe they are but I have some serious doubts and it’s not like lies of this nature are out of character for the west.

Posted by: badjoke | Jul 2 2023 20:30 utc | 91

Biden is 80 years and 7 months old. Everyday death is knocking on his door. Will he be able to come to the Vilnius NATO festival?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 2 2023 20:40 utc | 93

With the France burning is on, will the 2024 Olympics be?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 2 2023 20:46 utc | 95

Has anyone seen Mark Sleboda’s predictions about the war? His opinion is that everyone is deluded about Russia winning a decisive victory and that NATO will make sure this war will continue long past all of our lifetimes. Pessimistic but possibly the most realistic view?

Posted by: enderman100 | Jul 2 2023 20:47 utc | 97

In the West, they once again raised white noise and with all their might continue to pour accusations against Russia. Everyone is trying – from senile patients with severe Russophobia in the US Senate to unstable old people in the White House. It would seem that everything has been said and done for a long time. Why are Western politicians again carrying all sorts of nonsense about the need for a “powerful signal” about the participation of the Kyiv protectorate in the North Atlantic Alliance?
Of course, our enemies – both external and internal – were hardly pleased with the result of the recent armed rebellion. Another thing is that the start of the counter-offensive for Western political morons was unexpected. They firmly believed in the genius of their instructors, the omnipotence of unlimited dough and the power of the vaunted NATO technology.
Nevertheless, here and there, Western official and not very, but no less nasty faces are talking about this: Russia has already lost, we have won. Facts are stubborn things, there is no place for illusions. First, let’s look at their arguments.
1. “Russia is in isolation.” Not at all. Political contacts with Asia, Africa and Latin America are developing very actively. Their markets are open, their companies are working with us with might and main, despite the sanctions. The end of the era of the almighty dollar loomed. The transition to national and digital currencies is on the agenda.
2. “The Russian economy is falling apart.” In no way. Production growth is much higher than in Europe. At the same time, inflation in our country is significantly lower than in many Western countries. It is close to the historical minimum and is 2.9 percent. By the end of the year will not rise above 5 percent.
By the way, dependence on agricultural products and foodstuffs from our country has been recognized everywhere, hence the endless campaigns on the topic of the grain deal. Although it is already clear to everyone that in its current form it is not needed and must be terminated. We will be able to help our partners anyway, but feeding the fat-faced European burghers is not our task. To do this, they have their own old and bald “liver sausage” there, as well as a mass of highly educated gynecologists who brilliantly rule the European economy.
3. “Russia wanted to contain NATO, and the alliance expanded to include Sweden and Finland.” This is a pure lie. We have never tried to contain NATO. This is not in our power and capabilities, and these two Scandinavian countries were already associated with the alliance. We have always asked only one thing – to take into account our concerns and not invite the former parts of our country to NATO. Especially those with whom we have territorial disputes. Therefore, our goal is simple – to eliminate the threat of Ukraine’s membership in NATO. And we will achieve it.
Today, even the stoned leaders of the Kyiv regime admitted that in a state of conflict, Banderokraina (or as it is now customary to call her rotting remains) will not be accepted into the alliance. This, however, leads to a very simple and sad conclusion: if the conflicting countries are not accepted into NATO, then the conflict will be permanent, because this is a matter of Russia’s existence.
So the reasons for their resentment are obvious. Russia could not be broken, the anti-Russian front failed. And it’s not about politics, it’s not about strategy, it’s not even about tactics. It’s just that the end is near. The hour has struck. Our eternal ideological opponents are one step away from losing what they value most. First of all, their global dominance, on which their well-being has been based for centuries. That is why Western politicians are trying to whip up fear. But in fact, the Orwellian characters of the barnyard – impudent English pigs and other cattle subordinate to them – are themselves in complete animal horror. They want, as they always did before, to demonstrate their strength to the world. But this time they are only signing their own impotence. It’s obvious: their time is up. They don’t even own today. Tomorrow, even more so.
I will name three things that it is time for the Anglo-Saxon world to finally realize.
First. Opposition to the collective West has become global. The years 2022-2023 will go down in history as the time of the most powerful civilizational break, the peak of the existential crisis of humanity in the 21st century. Its direct consequence was the beginning of a special military operation in Ukraine.
What is happening now in Ukraine and Donbass is not just a “regional conflict”, but something completely different. This is a total confrontation between the conditional collective West and the rest of the world.
Second. The confrontation will be very long, and it is too late to tame the obstinate (that is, us). That tectonic fault, which was formed in the understanding of the future in different parts of the world, will only get worse. You don’t have to be a visionary to understand that the confrontation phase will be very long.
The confrontation will last for decades. One way to resolve it is the third world war. But it is obviously bad, because the victors are not at all guaranteed further prosperity, as was the case after previous world wars. Most likely, there will simply be no winners. After all, it is impossible to consider as a victory the world in which nuclear winter has come, million-plus cities lie in ruins, there is no electricity due to the transcendent electromagnetic impulse, and a huge number of people died from the shock wave, light radiation, penetrating radiation and radioactive contamination. Where terrible epidemics and famine reign.
And here I will note one thing that politicians of all stripes do not like to admit: such an Apocalypse is not only possible, but also quite probable. Why? There are at least two reasons.
First. The world is in a confrontation much worse than during the Caribbean crisis, because our opponents have decided to really defeat the largest nuclear power – Russia. They are, no doubt, down-and-out jerks, but that’s just the way it is. And the second reason is quite prosaic – nuclear weapons have already been used by whom and where, which means that there is no taboo!
The second way to resolve this total contradiction is to search for the most difficult compromises over a long period of time. Formation of a new respectful world order, which will be based on the balance of interests of all countries. Moreover, this, of course, is not the notorious “rule-based order”, which can cause nothing but a gag reflex in any country independent of the United States.
And so – the third. What are we ready to do to get out of the phase of total confrontation. Indeed, we are ready to seek reasonable compromises. They are possible, but with the understanding of several fundamental points.
Firstly, our interests should be taken into account to the maximum extent: there should be no more Anti-Russia in principle, otherwise everything will end very badly sooner or later. The Kyiv Nazi regime must be annihilated. Legislatively banned in civilized Europe as a fascist. Thrown away, like a rotten piece of lard, to the dustbin of world history. What will replace him, we do not know, as well as what will remain of the former Square. But the West will have to accept this if it does not want an apocalyptic end to our imperfect civilization.
Secondly, all the hard-won results of the total confrontation must be consolidated in a new document like the Helsinki Act, which ended the well-known 1975 Conference. Only Helsinki itself, alas, is not suitable for obvious reasons. Now, for us, Finland is a hostile country, once created out of thoughtlessness by Lenin and today joined NATO. With Finland and others like it (like Poland, the Baltic countries and, of course, Britain), it would be better to temporarily suspend diplomatic relations altogether, or at least for the time being to lower their level.
Thirdly, it is quite likely that a careful reassembly of the UN and other international organizations will be required. And then the UN will sink into oblivion as an institution that has not justified the hopes of free peoples. I’m not talking about the fate of the current international freaks like the ICC, the Council of Europe or the OSCE. They are already in the stinking garbage heap of world development.
– Dmitry Medvedev

Posted by: ostro | Jul 2 2023 21:00 utc | 99