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July 7, 2023
Ukraine – Biden Again Escalates

The Washington Post says that the U.S. will now give cluster munition to Ukraine.

Biden approves cluster munition supply to Ukraine

President Biden has approved the provision of U.S. cluster munitions for Ukraine, with drawdown of the weapons from Defense Department stocks due to be announced Friday.

The munition will be 155mm grenades, Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions (DPICM), that can be fired by 'western' provided artillery.


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The decision, likely illegal, was made because the U.S. and its allies have run out of other 155mm munitions:

The move, which will bypass U.S. law prohibiting the production, use or transfer of cluster munitions with a failure rate of more than 1 percent, comes amid concerns about Kyiv’s lagging counteroffensive against entrenched Russian troops and dwindling Western stocks of conventional artillery.

It is accompanied by false statements that Russia has used such ammunition in Ukraine:

It follows months of internal administration debate over whether to supply the controversial munitions, which are banned by most countries in the world.

Cluster weapons explode in the air over a target, releasing dozens to hundreds of smaller submunitions across a wide area.

More than 120 countries have joined a convention banning their use as inhumane and indiscriminate, in large part because of high failure rates that litter the landscape with unexploded submunitions that endanger both friendly troops and civilians, often for decades after the end of a conflict. The United States, Ukraine and Russia — which is alleged to have used them extensively in Ukraine — are not parties to the convention. Eight of NATO’s 31 members, including the United States, have not ratified the convention.

It is well documented, by Human Rights Watch and others, that the Ukrainian military has used cluster munitions. There is nothing to support a claim that Russia has done so. The Pentagon has rejected claimed evidence of Russian cluster munition attacks:

Commenting on videos depicting alleged Russian cluster munition use, DOD officials stated during a March 1, 2022 press conference that “we’ve seen the same video that you have but we have not assessed that it is definitive with respect to the use of cluster munitions. So we are not in a position to confirm the use of cluster munitions at this time.” In a similar manner, a DOD official stated during March 3, 2022, press conference that DOD was still unable to confirm Russia’s use of cluster munitions.

Cluster munition are banned by most countries because they often fails to explode on impact and thereby leave a lot of unexploded mines on the ground:

The principal weapon under consideration, an M864 artillery shell first produced in 1987, is fired from the 155mm howitzers the United States and other Western countries have provided Ukraine. In its last publicly available estimate, more than 20 years ago, the Pentagon assessed that artillery shell to have a “dud” rate of 6 percent, meaning that at least four of each of the 72 submunitions each shell carries would remain unexploded across an area of approximately 22,500 square meters — roughly the size of 4½ football fields.

Last year the Congressional Research Service found that the real dud rate is higher than what the Pentagon claims:

There appear to be significant discrepancies among failure rate estimates. Some manufacturers claim a submunition failure rate of 2% to 5%, whereas mine clearance specialists have frequently reported failure rates of 10% to 30%. A number of factors influence submunition reliability. These include delivery technique, age of the submunition, air temperature, landing in soft or muddy ground, getting caught in trees and vegetation, and submunitions being damaged after dispersal, or landing in such a manner that their impact fuzes fail to initiate.

The Pentagon claims that the ammunition it will provide has a lower dud rate. But it never produced data from tests that would support its claims.

By agreeing to provide the munition Biden is circumventing or breaking the law:

There is no waiver provision in the 1 percent limit Congress has placed on cluster munition dud rates, written into Defense Department appropriations for the last seven years. Biden would bypass it and Congress, according to a White House official, drawing down the munitions from existing defense stocks under a rarely used provision of the Foreign Assistance Act, which allows the president to provide aid, regardless of appropriations or arms export restrictions, as long as he determines that it is in the vital U.S. national security interest.

Unfortunately neither Congress nor the courts are likely to intervene.

The cluster ammunition, like the Uranium tank ammunition the U.S. and Britain have sent to Ukraine, will make large parts of the country inhabitable and unusable for agricultural purposes. It will also make attacks and retreats through affected areas difficult for military forces on both sides.

Cluster ammunition was made during the cold war for defending against large scale armored attacks. They are imprecise area attack weapons. Their usefulness against the small unit attacks with a handful of tanks which we have often seen during this war is doubtful.

As the U.S. has run out of other ammunition what will it provide to Ukraine after the DPICM fail to turn around the fate of the Ukrainian army?

Chemical weapons? Nukes?

Comments

Your impressive mastery of both formal and informal logic shines for all to see.
Your unparalleled dominion over facts and synthesis into argument leaves us awed.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 8 2023 8:11 utc | 303
hahaha!! Brilliant!

Posted by: Scuppers | Jul 8 2023 8:50 utc | 301

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 8:41 utc | 305
Who knows, who cares?
Probably what’s really going to happen is Poland will absorb or vassalize part of western Ukraine, Russia will absorb part of the east, which will lead in a cascade Hungary and Romania absorbing part of the south west. Maybe Poland will leave a part of Ukraine as nominal, independent paper entity which can then join Nato as a nominal, independent paper entity. This process could take years but it seems one of the more likely scenarios.
Kiev region will become some sort of free city-state, or it can also become pretty much de-populated zone.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 8 2023 8:55 utc | 302

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 8 2023 8:55 utc | 307
Do not forget Belarus.
Lukashenka wont allow Belarus underbelly go naked and being trampled by hostile Wasterners.
He would likely seize Lutsk, Rovno and possibly Jitomir “with a little help of my friends”.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 8 2023 9:04 utc | 303

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 8 2023 8:55 utc | 307
>>> Who knows, who cares? Probably what’s really going to happen is Poland … blah blah blah.<<< ------ Are you drunk or just plain stupid? If you "don't know and don't care", why respond to my post at all, and then prattle on with unadulterated conjecture on a totally different topic irrelevant to the issue I initiated? And if you don't see the relevance of the relationship between RF/Turkey, Putin/Erdogan, both now and into the future, then you truly are a fool (or drunk).

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 9:20 utc | 304

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 9:20 utc | 310
The point I was trying to make is that Ukraine per se will end up, in terms of human and economic output so insignificant that it won’t really matter even if it exists as a paper entity. Hence the term “nominal paper entity”. It will be really Polish people and state ruling a part of western Ukraine, which has nothing to offer in terms of economic potential.
No one can take anything Erdogan takes seriously, he seems to be changing opinions on a whim. Turkey was subject to a US led currency and financial interventions which caused a lot of inflation in recent years and might be still be under extortion to say various things. But Turkey is resilient to western pressure due to free connections it has to SCO bloc, China, Iran, Africa etc.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 8 2023 9:30 utc | 305

Are you drunk or just plain stupid?…..
Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 9:20 utc | 310
Is The Dolphin actually RSH??

Posted by: Tim | Jul 8 2023 9:33 utc | 306

@ The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 8:41 utc | 305
Btw, why does Erdogan suck up to Zelensky anyway? I would have thought Ukraine has nothing Turkey wants.
I think Zelensky is Erdo’s ticket out of NATO and has a consolidated cabinet that wants to start slowly pushing America out of Turkye.
That is why he is pushing Ukraine into the mess, while preventing cohesion and consolidation within NATO sphere, by halting Sweden.
Erdo however has more tolerance on its side by RF to maneuver, in his typical Turkish political cynicism towards the West.
He is not going to pat a burning dog.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 8 2023 9:37 utc | 307

@unimperator #311
You still did not:
Make any relevance to the topic of my original post re Erdogan and Putin and NATO and Russia, but just repeated your own desired spiel. Next time, start your own thread for a lecture on your own particular little theories. (I’ve concluded you ARE drunk to be so irrational).

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 9:42 utc | 308

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 8 2023 9:37 utc | 313
Thanks. Oh wow! What a complex web of motives! Erdo is one weird/crafty operator. So what you’re saying is, trust the Putin-Erdo link because Turkey’s future lies THERE and not in NATO?

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 9:50 utc | 309

Ankara and Washington have to play a careful game between each other. Washington desperately needs Ankara to play ball (Incerlink, etc). Ankara doesn’t want to get carpet bombed. So, both parties try their best not to completely break relations.
Also note, Ankara is a solid industrial power with plenty of capital goods manufacturing. And a whopping big military. A $3 trillion (PPP) economy and a per capita income of $35k (PPP) is not to be easily thrown against the wall just to prove a point.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2023 9:51 utc | 310

Context
German economy is $4 1/2 trillion (PPP) with a per capita income of $54k (PPP)

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2023 9:54 utc | 311

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 8 2023 0:29 utc | 202
Putin will be handcuffed and delivered to the Hague for a mock-up TV trial – during which special secure camera will get impaired and will broadcast no images all the while music from looney tunes will be scattered intermittenly around.
Afterwards he’ll die in cell for no particular reason…

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 8 2023 9:58 utc | 312

If I was Putin, I’d be putting him in the Unfriendly Countries box.
Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 8:41 utc | 305

Actions speak louder than words. In the meantime, Erdo’s words are aimed at causing dissent and chaos within NATO. Joe Bad’un says the time isn’t right for Ukruine to join, so Erdo rocks the boat.

Posted by: GT Stroller | Jul 8 2023 10:14 utc | 313

Posted by: gT | Jul 8 2023 9:04 utc | 308
An interesting study of genealogy was published decades ago showing that most European were of Charlemagne descent. He having fathered so many offsprings that started to fall into the populace at the 3rd generation and so on.
Rather the same could be said about Jewry and most everyone has Jewish blood by now.
Identifying oneself as Jew is a delicate matter that confine to faith or delusion depending of what comes first.
Being identified as Jew by others belongs clearly to the mythical field – except if the one concerned claimed to be as such beforehand, in which case it is a delusion again.
Of course you also have those walking in the street with some Jew whispering to their ear, the hallucinated ones…

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 8 2023 10:15 utc | 314

That Sullivan creature justifying the release of cluster munitions.
These are creatures from the pits hell.

Posted by: jpc | Jul 8 2023 10:21 utc | 315

Posted by: badjoke | Jul 5 2023 20:42 utc | 181

Posted by: ghiwen | Jul 5 2023 19:45 utc | 160
The M270 MARS is built on the Bradly chassis and was a joint program between the US, UK, France, and West Germany with around 1000 of the 1300 built being made in the USA. The duel purpose antitank/antipersonnel rockets that it was designed to be the platform for are the M26 DPICM rockets. They were used to murderous effect in the 91 gulf war smashing the Iraqi defense lines.
Before you correct somebody get you facts strait.

yes, yes , yes … strait facts … BUT
you wrote in Posted by: badjoke | Jul 4 2023 16:06 utc | 23

…If they send the antiarmor cluster munition rockets that the M270 MARS system was built around…

maybe you should have written: M270 MLRS
MARS is clearly the german version !
MARS = Mittleres Artillerieraketensystem or Medium Artillery Rocket System
The FRG even developed and procured its own ammunition —> AT-2
in the Bundeswehr inventory are currently MARS 2
https://militaryleak.com/2021/07/13/german-army-upgrades-mars-ii-mlrs-e-with-new-fire-control-systems-and-gmlrs/

The MLRS has been in use in German Armed Forces since 1990 under the designation MARS Medium Artillery Rocket System. MARS II/MLRS-E is a European upgrade of M270 involving Germany, Italy and France. In cooperation with various European partners, Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) upgraded and modernised the MLRS for several nations:
– Germany (from MARS to MARS II/MLRS-E),
– Italy (from MLRS to MLRS Improved) and
– France (from MLRS to Lance Roquette Unitaire (LRU)).
MARS II/MLRS-E is equipped with a new fire control system (EFCS – European Fire Control System) designed par Airbus Defense and Space.
EFCS enables firing of M31, M31A1, M32, AT2 and 110 mm rockets,
but not of M26, M26A1, and M30, so as to ensure full compliance with the Convention on Cluster Munitions.

Posted by: ghiwen | Jul 8 2023 10:28 utc | 316

Posted by: zinjanthropus | Jul 8 2023 7:51 utc | 301
Europe has many nations but until recently Germany was the economic driving force, followed by the UK.
In 2021 Germany contributed a net of 25 Billion Euros to other EU nations of which Poland received 12 Billion.
France donated 11 Billion and the Netherlands almost 7 Billion.
Now as of June, Germany is in quite serious economic trouble, and the future is not looking good. For this manufacturing power house, the PMI (Purchasing index for manufacturing) is falling sharply and has only been lower very briefly in the early month of COVID and during the 2008 Global Financial Crisis. Higher cost of fuel will certainly reduce capacity to compete with China in major manufacturing areas eg the chemicals industries and even motor vehicles. Even if Germany can reinvent itself to produce more fuel efficient goods, this will take some years, a time when the recipient countries may find that they no longer enjoy the benefits of the EU. Most of the other donor nations are also struggling- Italy, Sweden, Denmark etc. How enthusiastic will Poland be as an EU member if it has to become a donor rather than a recipient of EU funds.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 8 2023 10:33 utc | 317

rt #204:

A DEDICATED PRAYER ROOM ???
IS PRIGOZHIN JEWISH ???

malenkov #218:

…you didn’t know?…

Biswapriya Purkayast #283:

You didn’t know he’s a Jew?!?

Boy #292:

You must be joking , as I have never seen you miss any important details before. In any case, yes, as Biswapriya says, Prighozin is Jewish ie half .

Prigozhin is not Jewish. His mother, Violetta Kirovna Prigozhina, is Russian. His father, Viktor Yevgenyevich Prigozhin, was half-Jewish, half-Russian. He died early, so Prigozhin was raised by his stepfather, Samuil Fridmanovich Zharkoy. Although there is no public information on Samuil’s nationality, it is clear that he was Jewish, as no Russian family would name their son Samuil (same for Samuil’s father Fridman). So Prigozhin is Russian with one quarter of Jewish blood on his father’s side, but raised by a Jewish stepfather.
Now, regarding the prayer room. Is it really so hard to look things up before veering off into crazy speculation? The photos from Prigozhin’s mansion are readily available on the internet, including the photo of his prayer room. It is clearly an Orthodox Christian personal chapel.
Boy #292:

Too many people still don’t know Putin is also Jewish. His mum was Jewish.

No she wasn’t.
Putin’s mother, Mariya Ivanovna Putina (neé Shelomova), was Russian. Putin’s father, Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin, was Russian. They were both born in 1911 in small villages in the Tver Uyezd of the Tver Governorate of the Russian Empire. During 1791–1917, Jews (except those who converted to Christianity) couldn’t live there because of Catherine the Great’s Pale of Settlement laws. (There were some other exceptions, but they only applied to high-status Jews who wouldn’t be living in a small village in the middle of nowhere.)
It is alleged that the family name Shelomov was derived from Shelom, a variant of the Jewish name Shalom. In Russia, family names for common people were gradually introduced from the 16th century to the 19th century; after the abolition of serfdom in 1861, all common people had family names. Since non-converted Jews wouldn’t be living in the Tver Uyezd post-1791 and converted Jews wouldn’t name their son Shelom, it’s clear that this family name appeared either before 1791 or outside Velikorussia, so her patrilineal Jewish ancestor was very distant. That is, she wasn’t Jewish.

Posted by: S | Jul 8 2023 10:40 utc | 318

Baud said that denazification was achieved when the azov regiment surrendered in Azovstal.
Baud said that it is not known who destroyed the Kakhov dam.
Baud supported the official version of 911.
Otherwise he debunked several lies from the msm.

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 8 2023 10:44 utc | 319

Russia must also use cluster munitions and leave the cluster munitions ban.
If Russia uses long range cluster munitions, Europe will be a totally different place!

Posted by: Jason | Jul 8 2023 10:52 utc | 320

Cont’d from #320
Honestly, I’m not even sure that the family name Shelomov derives from the Jewish name Shelom. It could just as well derive from the Russian word shelom—an archaic variant of shlem, ‘helmet’—used to describe a particular type of helmet from the second half of the 15th century to the late 17th century.

Posted by: S | Jul 8 2023 10:55 utc | 321

Even on a short term time line, Russia has taken several steps to mitigate what might happen next.
Cluster munitions; Their introduction suggests that the “front” inside Ukraine is nearing a very bloody “stalemate”. Both sides kill, but any real major advance is a distant prospect. The munitions are simply what the US can dig out of stocks that fit in the barrels of 155mm arty. If it goes bang – use it.
***
So; To counter any threat through Belarus, the Wagner group is moving ALL it’s remaining forces into it. To enable future “training and coordination” of Belarussian troops, and their civilian infrastructure for possible resistance (Police and territorial), and as a solid backbone for a military defense force. This includes their withdrawing fom CAR in Africa. (RT)
A very neat transfer of hardened troops to supplement the local army and the Russian forces already in place, if needs be.
***
Zelensky has always wanted NATO to take over the fighting directly, so he can go back to piano playing. The upcoming meeting in Vilnius might be used for this purpose. The US wants the EU to do the fighting alongside the Ukrainians. To obviate dissention in the ranks, the United States announced the possibility of reviewing the NATO membership of Hungary and Turkey. An Unified front – all those who are ifor it take a step forward. Even the UN is talking about new “official” sanctions if there is no longer a grain deal.
(Both from Avia-pro)
The grain deal also opens up Sevastopol to sea drones who use the channels cut through the minefields.
*
The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 8:41 utc | 305 “Btw, why does Erdogan suck up to Zelensky anyway? I would have thought Ukraine has nothing Turkey wants.
Turkey needs the grain to feed it’s population, and keep the plebs quiet.
***
NATO and Vilnius.
The cookie monster (Neuland) expected the third world war to start on tuesday, as well as the NATO conflab. (11 july). Both apparently have been wargamed for sometime. However, these were presumably based on the Ukrainians having at least a foothold in Crimea and separating the Russian forces by cutting access along the coast of the sea of Azov.
But can NATO still do it? The UK have proclaimed that they have only 40 challenger tanks left, the French Leclerq need to be “updated” and the German forces are being spread out across Lithuania as well as Germany. Even Baerbock is beginning to see that a major war might not be the best thing, and she would have to join Scholtz in the Bunker.
Only the Polish seem to be actively increasing their ground forces along the Belarussian frontier. (The others talk about it)
***
Syria.
The SAA are in the process of advancing on Idlib and the North of Syria, near Aleppo. Knowing what is correct about the recent spate of “near misses” between the US and the Russian airforces, depends on which sources you are using for information. The four US spy-drones threatened were over nominally Syrian airspace (west of the Euphrates) and the Russians regularly overfly Tanf terrorist training gound. (Do not forget the new F-22’s introduced in Jordan).
Are the Russians pressuring the US or vice-versa?
*
Of course it is all about the Oil, as Trump once said.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 8 2023 10:55 utc | 322

“Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, Russian armed forces have used cluster munitions in attacks that have caused hundreds of civilian casualties and damaged civilian objects, including homes, hospitals, and schools.”
Posted by: Eric Zuesse | Jul 8 2023 10:54 utc | 323
That is an outright lie from the ukronazis. There is no evidence of it. It is the ukronazis who are targeting civilians:
https://t.me/vladimirtupin/31968

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 8 2023 11:00 utc | 323

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 8:41 utc | 302 “Btw, why does Erdogan suck up to Zelensky anyway? I would have thought Ukraine has nothing Turkey wants.”
It is very confusing. But Turkey has been sending weapons to Ukraine, pretty much the entire time the SMO has been running. That includes a lot more than just drones.
Back in May is this claiming Turkey was sending 155mm cluster munitions to Turkey: https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1658804337907314688
This claims Turkey started doing that in January: https://twitter.com/GloOouD/status/1658797203060580354
This also supports that happening back in January: https://twitter.com/CasualArtyFan/status/1612934170950438915
Additional pictures on Reddit.
There are claims Turkey sent TRLG-230 to Ukraine in November of 2022. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/11/24/turkey-supplied-missiles-ukraine/
In August of 2022 they sent a bunch of MRAP type vehicles. https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/08/22/turkey-sends-50-mine-resistant-vehicles-to-ukraine-with-more-expected/
This says Turkey is building warships for Ukraine: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/15/how-turkey-positions-itself-during-the-war-in-ukraine
This from earlier this month says Turkey will be selling 155mm SPG to Ukraine: https://twitter.com/301military/status/1676641546949591040 Not sure about that but could be confirmed in the next few days. T-155 Fırtına is being discussed.
In my opinion Turkey is like 60% for Ukraine, 40% neutral is that is possible thing.

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 8 2023 11:02 utc | 324

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 8 2023 11:02 utc | 327
Thanks for the collation. Yeah, I’ve known Turkey has sent plenty of stuff to Ukraine, as well as joined projects with Russia past, present, future. Together, Erdogan and Putin SEEM LIKE best of buddies. Yet today he welcomes Zelly Boy and throws a grenade at Russia. Weird.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 11:12 utc | 325

It is clearly an Orthodox Christian personal chapel.
Posted by: S | Jul 8 2023 10:40 utc | 320

Would it be sacrilege if the icons in Prigozin’s personal chapel were pillaged from countryside churches?

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2023 11:15 utc | 326

@ The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 9:50 utc | 315
BRICS need Turkye for transit and trade routes, offering some lucrative measures and opportunities to stop inflation and devaluation of Turkish Lira.
Turks are standing in a cue, for last 20 years, in front of an honest EU admission process. Still at the same place where they were before.
With the West, being bitter that Erdo won, surely will Erdo be motivated enough to turn to the BRICS. We will witness some devious, sneaky and shiny examples of Turkish discrete diplomacy. It’ll be a good fun.
Of course that paints the target on them Turks, but so Orban and Austria have one in the making and some exceptions within the the Western Balkans.
They only need to dust off bull’s eyes for Serbia, perhaps reach to a Cold War doctrine for Bulgaria, that is buried under the rubble of failed doctrines and strategies.
However, having a crumbling cohesion and a posture, with the Dutch government fall and some others (Macron?) upcoming, it’ll be very hard to build a ha-ha for the NATO sheep, as to not start wandering about in awe.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 8 2023 11:22 utc | 327

Human Rights Watch ?
Anyone who cites a Human Rights Watch report is a naive fool. Human Rights Watch is 100% a war Party propaganda machine

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2023 11:25 utc | 328

WH likely welcomes the controversy to get people talking about something else than the cocaine in the WH.

Posted by: Jonathan w | Jul 8 2023 11:35 utc | 329

So this is how Turkey has been able to stay in Nato while pushing away Sweden.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 8 2023 11:38 utc | 330

Turkey is more useful to Russia inside Nato than outside.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 8 2023 11:41 utc | 331

Jonathan W | Jul 8 2023 11:38 utc | 333
*** So this is how Turkey has been able to stay in Nato while pushing away Sweden.***
Most important thing, though, is that Turkey continues to refuse access to the Black Sea by (non Black Sea based) NATO warships while the war is running.
As long as Turkey stays in NATO, it cannot be overtly attacked by NATO.
Which it almost certainly would be if it wasn’t a member — and there seems to be no procedure for expulsion.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2023 11:48 utc | 332

Morals?
In the Biden White House?
HA HA HA HA!!!
We don’t need no stinkin morals!!

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 8 2023 11:52 utc | 333

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 8 2023 10:55 utc | 325
Turkey produces about 18-20 million tonnes of wheat, imports 6-7 million tonnes from Russia, 2 million tones from Ukraine, and another 2 million or so from elsewhere. It exports around 6 million tonnes. The Turkish population consumes about 21 million tonnes (from various sources).
Ukraine is important, but Turks wouldn’t starve of bread.The Turks would just make up any deficit by sourcing it from others of increasing their own potential. Maybe foreign currenrcy would decline, as Turkey tends to export imported grains, some as flour.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2023 12:01 utc | 334

Those trying to argue that Biden isn’t senile are paid trolls employed either by the US military’s SOCOM or by one of the fake NGOs affiliated with the Democrat party.
How do we know this?
First of all, we know that Biden has degenerative brain decay because of obvious verbal and behavioral indicators. Walking like he is carrying invisible luggage, shaking hands with invisible people, and getting lost on stage when his stage positions are clearly marked are just the most conspicuous signs.
Biden’s progressive senility is a significant issue for the next set of US elections, and is seen as the top issue by Democrat party strategists trying to prepare for those elections. For them this is an even bigger issue than the US proxy war in the Ukraine, and even a bigger immediate concern than de-dollarization. Because it is a key issue for 2024, resources are being invested in controlling the narrative related to Biden’s lost mind. There are troll armies tasked with deflecting, distracting, and redirecting social media discussions that stray into the topic of Biden’s mental health. Of course, the more professional trolls assigned to MoA will have this issue on their radar as well. The matter of Biden’s senility is considered serious enough that to address it they will jeopardize personas as reasonable voices in geopolitical discourse they have invested weeks carefully cultivating, and thus squander the opportunity to shill the larger Imperial messaging they are building towards.
Why?
Ultimately, Biden’s mental health has no bearing on geopolitical issues. Administration policy is managed by committees (of infantile, ignorant, emotionally stunted fools, but that is another discussion). Biden doesn’t even need a pulse for the Empire of Delusions to maintain its course. This entire discussion of Biden’s lost mind is entirely orthogonal (off-topic) to geopolitical issues. The one and only issue this impacts is the 2024 elections in the US. Few barflies care about the outcome of those elections as we are well aware it’s just kayfabe. Some of us might enjoy a spoiler upsetting the script (Trump in 2016 is a good example), but certainly not enough to invest emotionally in those elections. The only people who care that much are brainwashed mental midgets and/or people paid to care.
You decide which it is in the case of those arguing for Biden’s fitness to be President. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt by saying they are paid trolls.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2023 12:19 utc | 335

Tim @308: “Is The Dolphin actually RSH??”:
Remember a representative of the Democrat party we used to have here on a regular basis? Screen name had something to do with jackass (donkey) posteriors. I think he had an affinity for that end of donkeys. Anyway, he has grown up (moved out of mom and dad’s basement, anyway) and gotten some training.
It’s an improvement, don’t you think?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2023 12:28 utc | 336

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2023 12:19 utc | 339
After Biden…
Trump says he would end the war in 24 hours… But if he was to have trouble making campaign appearances from a jail cell… What would Kamala Harris do?

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 8 2023 12:32 utc | 337

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2023 12:19 utc | 339
Alzheimer + Parkinson.

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 8 2023 12:38 utc | 338

Meanwhile here in the Netherlands the WEF shill Mark Rutte has resigned, as a resident we have lately been bombarded with tax rises on plastics cans etc. it’s just getting ridiculous as they trying to show the world that we can eat bugs and have 15 min cities. The whole system is collapsing
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66139789

Posted by: Scot1and | Jul 8 2023 12:42 utc | 339

I disagree william gruff.
One of the key problems in geopolitical terms is that nobody knows whom to talk to. Biden is obviously not in charge. Below him there isnt one fraction, there are multiple interests even if they basically agree on issues.
Put yourselve in the shoes of any brics/sco/global south politician, trying to get to an agreement about something with the usa. You may have a deal with the neocons but the dnc does not support it because for them the next election is more important than any deal the neocons just made.
Nobody knows who is in charge, because nobody is in charge. Russia may talk to the pentagon or the cia, or sullivan or the dod, but whatever they do, and to whoever they talk to, they must know that they are not able to guarantee anything.
So this situation is a major problem because it wount change no matter what happens in 2024.
Trump may become president but nobody can be sure that the military or 3la care about the agreements he makes geopolitically. Same goes for rfk.
The term agreement incapable is not a propaganda term. Its THE problem on the geopolitical level.

Posted by: Orgel | Jul 8 2023 12:43 utc | 340

Ed3 @341
Pretty sure Trump would get enough votes even from a jail cell to force the Establishment to fraud the election again. Trump could even get more votes in jail. I might even consider voting for him in that case, just to enjoy contributing to the squealing from the Trump Derangement Syndrome victims.
Establishment fools are so stupid they still misunderstand Trump’s popularity. You’d think they could have found a clue after nearly eight years, but their stupidity is the real thing.
As for Trump ending the war in the Ukraine in 24 hours, that wouldn’t be any challenge for a President who actually took control (I have no idea if Trump would really take control this time… he didn’t last time). Just close the spigot of money and weapons and pull the US “advisors” out and the war ends right then and there.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2023 12:56 utc | 341

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2023 12:19 utc | 339
Alzheimer + Parkinson.
Posted by: libegafra | Jul 8 2023 12:38 utc | 339
Something like that, yes. Best fit to what I see. No Spring Chicken for sure. I’m younger than he is, and I would not let anybody put me through some of the crap he is doing. You have to wonder how long they can keep him propped up.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 8 2023 13:17 utc | 342

Most important thing, though, is that Turkey continues to refuse access to the Black Sea by (non Black Sea based) NATO warships while the war is running.
As long as Turkey stays in NATO, it cannot be overtly attacked by NATO.
Which it almost certainly would be if it wasn’t a member — and there seems to be no procedure for expulsion.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2023 11:48 utc | 333
And NATO without Turkey is not near as impressive a military threat.
NATO needs Turkey to maintain its credibility, and doesn’t have a way to expel it. So as long as he can avoid being regime-changed, he can get away with all kinds of stuff, and he does.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 8 2023 13:27 utc | 343

Orgel @341: “One of the key problems in geopolitical terms is that nobody knows whom to talk to.”
Therein lies the problem. There is no one in the Empire to talk to. Like its figurehead, the Empire is brain dead and directionless. It’s only drive is to survive the moment and economically devour whatever it can.
By the way, this is why it is pointless to try and reason with the US. No appeal to intellect can influence the behavior of the Empire. You have to hit the Empire at the gut reaction, instinct level. That is why my recommendation is a fresh reminder of the true power of nuclear weapons on an actual city. The demonstration has to be authentic because a mindless herd has no imagination. It cannot picture by extension the weapon’s effect on a city from the imagery of one detonating out over the ocean… unless, of course, there is a carrier battle group situated squarely under the detonation with video being live-streamed from the flight deck. That might work.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2023 13:34 utc | 344

a liberal Chthulu
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 7 2023 21:44 utc | 157

Great, nay star-spangled, metaphor.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 8 2023 13:35 utc | 345

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2023 13:34 utc | 345
My suggestion Vladivostok.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jul 8 2023 13:39 utc | 346

283
Imo all weaponry aimed at killing people is aimed at civilians. Only warped politicians make a distinction between combatants and non combatants.
The unspeakable elites detest all humanity equally, especially in an age of instant communication in which diplomacy is easy. The sticks and stones are the tip of the iceberg while the MSM pimps do far more collateral damage than a cluster bomb can ever do.
War is now a psyops whereby the elites attack the inner souls of the whole world population with the threat of Armaggeddon. Then criticise our inability to stay composed at
the prospect of MAD.
Fortunately in the next life a suitable place of physical torture has been prepared for those who enjoy threatening the security of their fellow human beings , along with their pimps and sycophants who play the same vicious tyranny.
Thank God for Russia taking on the psychological bullies for us all.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 8 2023 13:46 utc | 347

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 8 2023 11:22 utc | 328
EU membership probably looked good for Turkey till somewhere around 2014 (could have ceased much earlier). Turkey had been waiting for decades for an invitation and all associated economic benefits of EU.
Today? Not so much. Erdogan is just stirring up the pot as the Baltic chihuahuas + Poland are screaming for Ukraine into Nato, while Biden, probably with the influence of some US veteran politicians are getting cold feet. So Erdogan is obstructing Swede membership while telling Zelensky they will welcome Ukraine to Nato.
There’s a small caveat. Ukrainians with their CIA and Nato handlers have shown 0 interest at any point (excluding March 2022, which was fake anyway) to making any sort of peace, they insist on military victory and they insist on Crimea foothold and cutting off the land bridge along the sea of Azov. Short of that, they seemed to shift their focus on where they were having some success till recently, namely around Artemovsk.
But Artemovsk and surroundings doesn’t really represent any sort of strategic victory for Ukraine. Even if they capture Artemovsk or something more, so what? It doesn’t really benefit Nato in any way, and Russia will eventually take it back. The real calculus is that 80% of AFU conscripts are now forced and have to be hunted down, and Ukrainian people have reduced level of donations to AFU. Nato’s proxy is in a very bad shape and the goals they are set and persist won’t make it any better.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 8 2023 13:48 utc | 348

“Rishi Sunak has said the UK “discourages” the use of cluster bombs after the US agreed to send them to Ukraine.”
“President Joe Biden has faced criticism for supplying the munitions, which are banned by many allies because of their track record of killing and maiming civilians.”
But, but he said yesterday he had spoken to the allies. So obviously he couldn’t care less what they say.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 8 2023 13:51 utc | 349

Posted by: Ed | Jul 6 2023 23:49 utc | 111
the economic interest of entities like Blackrock is the real reason the US proxy war cannot end.
<= the global threat to humanity vests in the oligarch owned global corporations, the international institutions which they create, fund and use to gain leverage over nation states, and the private wealth which these private corporations have stashed off shore and outside of any taxing authority. Posted by: Lex | Jul 7 2023 2:51 utc | 152 Biden spent the strategic reserve on the colossal failure in Ukraine. This will have heavy, long term costs for US power. <= Oligarch owned, global corporations have taken everything of value from America:All that is left is the big fall? Posted by: ChasMark | Jul 7 2023 22:22 utc | 168 Washington, DC is 177 km2 City of London is 2.9 km2 <= How big is wall street? The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 8:41 utc | 305 asks: "Btw, why does Erdogan suck up to Zelensky anyway? whirlX | Jul 8 2023 9:37 utc | 309 responds with: I think Zelensky is Erdo's ticket out of NATO and has a consolidated cabinet that wants to start slowly pushing America out of Turkye. <=Maybe Erdo is Putins communication link to Zelensky? Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 8 2023 9:50 utc | 310 trust the Putin-Erdo link because Turkey's future lies THERE and not in NATO? Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2023 9:51 utc | 311 Ankara is a solid industrial power with plenty of capital goods manufacturing. And a whopping big military. A $3 trillion (PPP) economy and a per capita income of $35k (PPP) is not to be easily thrown against the wall just to prove a point. Posted by: GT Stroller | Jul 8 2023 10:14 utc | 315 Erdo's words are aimed at causing dissent and chaos within NATO. Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 8 2023 10:55 utc | 325 the US announced the possibility of reviewing the NATO membership of Hungary and Turkey. Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 8 2023 11:02 utc | 327 Turkey has been sending weapons to Ukraine, pretty much the entire time the SMO has been running. Posted by: whirlX | Jul 8 2023 11:22 utc | 330 BRICS need Turkye for transit and trade routes,...Will Erdo .. turn to the BRICS? Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 8 2023 11:38 utc | 333 Turkey has been able to stay in Nato while pushing away Sweden. Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 8 2023 11:41 utc | 332 Turkey is more useful to Russia inside Nato than outside. Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2023 11:48 utc | 333 Turkey [controls] access to the Black Sea .. As long as Turkey stays in NATO, it cannot be overtly attacked by NATO. I believe weapons to Ukraine by Turkey confirms its move eastward .. gifts to Ukraine are nothing more than dumping its soon to be useless Western weapons to be replaced by domestic and Eastern made Weapons? Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 8 2023 12:32 utc | 338 Trump says he would end the war in 24 hours... <=but he d/n say which 24 hours?

Posted by: snake | Jul 8 2023 14:01 utc | 350

Rishi Sunak has said the UK “discourages” the use of cluster bombs
But earlier sent depleted uranium (which had the U$ demure).
They’re playing bad cop bad cop.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 8 2023 14:02 utc | 351

Like a lot of the Western arms being sent, Ukraine will get the stuff that is less up to standard. U.S. law prohibits transfer of cluster bombs that have greater than 1% failure rate. Biden has already admitted it will be raising that to 2.3% – rendering the law totally pointless.

Posted by: WG | Jul 8 2023 14:07 utc | 352

Like every normal person on this planet, I would like the war in Ukraine finished, yesterday.
However, my wishful thinking doesn’t fit the reality. Lets see the main actors:
US war effort is $2-3 Billions per month, which is doable in the long-run. They want to hurt Russia and Putin The neocons (see Nuland and her ilk) want nothing else but a partitioned Russia under their fist. The only issue for US is the 2024 elections, and the unknowns of 2025. So, we can easily see this war US support going into summer of 2025.
Russia has to deal with the war and built the buffer zone, so her territory, old and new, will be safe. The casualties are kept to a minimum, the military industry is increasing the production, the Russians are mostly agreeing with Putin, the economy is doing well, and they can mobilize millions of people if necessary. So, probably Russia will continue the same at least until into the summer of 2025.
UK acts like a rabid dog, but can’t bite because it has no teeth. Probably they will send sabotage units trying to stir the crap, until US will tell them otherwise.
EU with Germany, France, Italy are in a sad place. They are neutered apathetic sad shadows of former selves. They have no say in the matter. Probably they’ll continue providing some money, armor, and ammo that can scrap from forgotten warehouses. A cold 2023-24 and/or 2024-25 winter(s) will just create misery and social unrest. However, they will do whatever the US dictates.
Ukraine is the one which will run out of soldiers, and finish the war. From this link ( https://t.me/fred33flint/1271 ) they have around 5,000 KIAs per week, which translates to ~250,000 per year. If we add the WIAs, MIAs, prisoners, and deserters, we have another 750,000 loses per year. So, Ukraine loses around 1 million soldiers per year. To these loses we can add the people who leave the country to Europe and Russia. Number-wise, I doubt that Ukraine can put together another 2 million soldiers to reach the summer of 2025.
Thus, regardless what US, UK, Europe wants, Ukraine won’t be able to go past the summer of 2025.

Posted by: Poison Frogs | Jul 8 2023 14:09 utc | 353

BREAKING:
Former POWs who surrendered from Azovstsal, the commanders of Azov and the 36th Marine Brigade retured home to Ukraine from Turkey.
-> They were handed over to Turkey, where they were under house arrest until the end of the war – such was the agreement with the Russian Federation.
🚨Turkey now broke a direct agreement with Russia!
They are:
– Denis Prokopenko
– Svyatoslav Palamar
– Serhiy Volynsky
– Oleg Khomenko
– Denis Shlega
“>https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1677680287143063552

Turkey released 5 Azov members apparently. While it will have 0 relevance to the war, it’s a bad look. There is probably some arm twisting behind the scenes by Blinken/Biden/Nato. It’s possible U$A has some economic leverage on Turkey still.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 8 2023 14:17 utc | 354

The 5 Azovs May have had crippling injuries. TBD

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2023 14:27 utc | 355

Posted by: Poison Frogs | Jul 8 2023 14:09 utc | 355
Isn’t an *average* of 5,000 KIA a week since the start higher than Russia claims? Sounds fanatical.

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 8 2023 14:28 utc | 356

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2023 14:27 utc | 357 “The 5 Azovs May have had crippling injuries. TBD”
Does not look like it:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1677671675641339905
My opinion, based on this and the statement by Turkey concerning Ukraine and NATO, is that Turkey has moved closer to Ukraine – after the Wagner fiasco.

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 8 2023 14:34 utc | 357

The release of the Azov thugs is not surprising: Erdogan is as agreement-incapable and duplicitous as the West. With a little luck, however, Russia will track and destroy the five in fairly short order.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 8 2023 14:36 utc | 358

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 8 2023 12:38 utc | 339
My professional experience says definitely parkinsons. It causes cognitive problems to, especially mental fatigue. That’s very much what I see when I watch Biden fumbling and stumbling.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jul 8 2023 14:38 utc | 359

A war crime. indeed. Expect NATO to approve them.
—-
“Q Thanks, Jen. There are reports of illegal cluster bombs and vacuum bombs being used by the Russians. If that’s true, what is the next step of this administration? And is there a red line for how much violence will be tolerated against civilians in this manner that’s illegal and potentially a war crime?
MS. PSAKI: It is — it would be. I don’t have any confirmation of that. We have seen the reports. If that were true, it would potentially be a war crime.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2022/02/28/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-february-28-2022/

Posted by: daffyDuct | Jul 8 2023 14:39 utc | 360

It’s a pity that Biden’s name wound up in this thread’s title. Consequently, it filled up with twelve dozen expert opinions on stages of dementia. Wonderful. By now I’ve located Aleph on our diagnostic guide.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 8 2023 14:47 utc | 361

Thus, regardless what US, UK, Europe wants, Ukraine won’t be able to go past the summer of 2025.
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Jul 8 2023 14:09 utc | 355
How about summer 2023?

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 8 2023 14:47 utc | 362

It is obvious that the collective West doesn’t “give a fig” about the welfare of Ukraine; likewise, it appears that the “ultranationalist” Kyiv regime, mostly from Western Ukraine, could give a fig about Eastern Ukraine, other than a locale of plunder and potential Leibensraum Galician farmers.

Posted by: Tedder | Jul 8 2023 15:03 utc | 363

Posted by: Oldcutlas | Jul 8 2023 14:40 utc | 363
Agree with you on jail verus house arrest. Now his house or mine? 🙂
I do think at least one of the trials will happen. The New York case is crap. The Florida one has legs.
As to this: “every POTUS that leaves office signs a document saying that everything their staff packs up and takes from the WH is declassified” Can you drop a link to this document from Obama, Bush Jr., Clinton, Bush Sr? Or even Trump would be great. Because I don’t think it is correct, but that would blow the case out of the water if true.

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 8 2023 15:05 utc | 364

Erdogan suggesting Ukraine be a part of NATO is absolutely brilliant. Some may see this as a duplicitous move by the crafty Turk, but I see it as a grenade toss into the “Unity” of NATO. Biden just said that Ukraine is not ready for NATO, while Erdogan goes against the narrative of the human vegetable by saying Ukraine is ready to join. All the while telling Sweden (US, UK and the rest of Sweden supporters) to go pound sand. This meeting at Vilnius is going to be bag of popcorn worthy.

Posted by: Jo P | Jul 8 2023 15:14 utc | 365

All of this seems very strange to me. How can there be any talk of bringing Ukraine into NATO? Does not the NATO charter forbid that for countries in active conflict? If somehow Ukraine was brought in how could this not be a immediate start of WW3? Ukraine has been a defacto member of NATO inn every aspect other than article 5 – NATOs best army with Poland second. I am very curious what they are cooking up for the June 11 security guarantee pledge party.Something solid and quite insane that tethers NATO to a train wreck or a nothing burger?
What would be hilarious is a security guarantee for western Ukraine only. This would admit the ethnic cultural and differences between western and eastern Ukraine as well as the difference in self determination in the two different regions. If that had been done in a peaceful manner a year and a half ago there would be no war in Ukraine. Now they will admit the substance of the issue but in a manner that continues and escalates the war? Ukraine didnt have to split it was the installed radicalized Kiev regime that no longer represented Ukraine as a whole that created that. Even where the Ukraine army built fortifications since 2014 is a admission of differences. If eastern Ukraine was considered part of Ukraine not a occupied territory by the installed Kiev regime why did they not bring it within the “safety” of its fortifications?
The path for a strong united Ukraine was accenting commonality not differences. The exact opposite was done by the the installation of the Kiev regime. What really matters is self determination -the will of the people. This human right is enshrined in almost any concept of justice. Donbass and Crimea peoples wanted out after the regime coup in Ukraine in numbers approaching 100%. Thats the truth and the denial of it is the big lie that justifies this whole clown show story war.
Will the security guarantee pledge party on June 11 further demonstrate the hypocrisy of the clown show? Moot point as they take the step over the threshold of strategic nuclear exchange. Wheres my vote on that? In the meantime the average individual in the USA has not chosen to inform themselves one milligram about the truth of this conflict. They take the lies of the MSM in instantaneously without digestion- Putin is Hitler-Pution hartes gays- Russia invaded unprovoked. They add that “unprovoked” before “invasion” every time in the MSM so as to establish doctrine and non approved topics of discussion.
This is what we go to nuclear war over. A blatant lie not even thinly veiled by the propaganda. I could care less that Hunter brought cocaine to the white house. He could sniff it off a hookers ass on the presidential desk for all I care. WE ARE GOING TO NUCLEAR WAR.

Posted by: sillydog | Jul 8 2023 15:21 utc | 366

The deployment of cluster munitions is a war crime. Period.

Posted by: rgl | Jul 8 2023 15:22 utc | 367

Ed3 | Jul 7 2023 22:26 utc | 169

What is a “Penguin Unmanned Aerial System”?

In Russia, is chocolate bar eats you !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jul 8 2023 15:29 utc | 368

I was in Desert Storm and witnessed thousands of these unexploded cluster munitions littering the desert floor. A solider in my company (C Co. 1-5CAV) was killed by one and another lost a limb. All these were from our MRLS. As a dumb 20 yr old kid, I was even in shock at why would something like this be used when the dud rate was well over 30%!

Posted by: C Co.1-5CAV 1CD | Jul 8 2023 15:32 utc | 369

No Spring Chicken for sure.
Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 8 2023 13:17 utc | 343

Maybe he is a bit of a spring chicken. In the sense that a newborn bunny is not afraid of tigers.

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 8 2023 15:52 utc | 370

The US had a benevolent wise man in FDR. The Great Depression devastated the country, causing widespread poverty, misery and deprivation. The New Deal improved Americans’ life by providing employment building infrastructure for the country. Most of the improvements done then still have lasting effects.
I have electricity in my rural home thanks to FDR and the New Deal.
Americans responded by voting for him four times.
Our ruing overlords responded to that by making it illegal for a president to seek more than two terms.
Ironically, 80 years later, Americans have internalized that un-Constitutional dictum so thoroughly that they apply it to other peoples, and other countries.
Hence, the finger-wagging about Putin seeking more than two terms in a row. Americans aren’t allowed to do that, therefore no other leader should be allowed to do that.
Makes perfect sense to Americans.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 8 2023 15:58 utc | 371

Posted by: Roger | Jul 8 2023 6:15 utc | 276
By ‘managed’ I meant that it seems there are tacit or overt mutually agreed-upon parameters. There are wheels within wheels with all such large-scale dynamics. A significant part of the US leadership, which of course is largely opaque these days, is pursuing an anti-US ‘globalist’ agenda working to degrade the nation from within as well as without. Some sort of linkage with Eurasian networks is to be expected, just as there was cooperation between US and Chinese bio-labs for many years.
I enjoyed your article btw, but it is so long, and generally above my pay-grade, that didn’t comment. That said (!):
I feel the description of the US leadership class issues needs more detail. Just talking about the bourgeoisie is a bit too general. There were struggles involved. Also to mention 1913 without mentioning the creation of the Fed seems a little strange for that was the point where one side won, and it still dominates the entire polity. IMO.
I think you did a great job describing the over-arching contexts of Russia and China. I learned a lot. But there too I think you could flesh out the internal struggles more. All large nations are continuously juggling various skeins including both honest disagreements and criminal subterfuge. Your depiction of both Russia and China seems a little hagiographic in that regard.
That doesn’t take away from the overall dynamic: after ruling the roost since WW II, the Western way has become too nakedly and unfairly self-serving and other powers who have now caught up with the industrial revolution and fully joined the modern world are no longer willing to be given the short end of the stick. So in this regard we have a relatively clear good versus bad guys situation. But I think it a mistake to transpose that and project overall purity onto the good guys and incorrigible evil onto the bad guys.
We can see in the US for example that a significant portion of the population is not happy with the status quo but lacks the means to push back. No doubt within both Russia and China are problems which will be playing out over time. Perhaps all that matters is the current ‘pulling the Hegemon off its perch’ dynamic and we can concern ourselves with other stuff later. But as the Hegemon is being pulled down – a process already underway and most barflies see well – something else is arising to take its place and not everything about it looks all that rosy. Are the more authoritarian ‘strong state’ models in both Russia and China vulnerable to creating totalitarian-style dystopias once they hold the reins of power? What in their current make-up can we discern that will provide clues to this, or caveats? I believe we do ourselves a disservice by only projecting good onto one side and only projecting evil onto another. It creates a type of confirmation bias that ends up being quite unrealistic.
I’m not saying your article did all that, but it did tend to avoid going into different strains of influence in each polity and rather project ‘America = Protestant White Man’s Burden = Racism’ versus post-disaster Russia and Asia developing maturity and wisdom – to oversimplify. More specifically, I don’t think it accurate to lay all of what is wrong with the States right now at the feet of White Anglo Saxon Protestants, although that ‘white man’s burden’ prejudice clearly did play a part. But the term ‘Anglo-Saxon’ – also used by Putin and Lavrov frequently – entirely ignores the significant Jewish input to Western Hegemonic behaviors, whether viz the British Empire activities in Asia, the US slave trade or the entire Big Finance (criminal credit cartel) Order throughout Europe and the US (and probably China and possibly Russia) which now has Popes and Monarchs in its deep, largely invisible, pockets. Indeed, every time Putin et alia use that term ‘Anglo-Saxon’ alarm bells go off: given it so clearly provides cover to the predominantly Jewish Big Finance credit cartel, does this not indicate a greater ‘fifth column’ influence in play than those continuously praising Putin and Xi are portraying? Do they therefore deserve to be accorded such lily-white projections?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2023 16:29 utc | 372

@UWDude re: “Americans dont care, wont know, and most of them think we should just nuke Russia. They are simplicicus boobus. Total simpleton idiots, who still think they could beat Russia if only those damn politicians in DC didn’t interfere. The idea America might not even be the supreme military on Earth doesn’t even cross their minds. It’s still 2003 to them.”
Thankfully, I have come across damn few of this kind of creature in my 55 years life inside The Beast. I hear about them all the time, but they just aren’t that common.

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Jul 8 2023 18:28 utc | 373

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 7 2023 21:44 utc | 157
Bravo! I have been saying the same, much less eloquently, ever since HC wanted to implement a NFZ in Syria.

Posted by: Cherrycoke | Jul 8 2023 18:39 utc | 374

Do the people who are calling for Russia to conquer and then occupy all of Ukraine realize what a daunting and costly endeavor that would be? Ukraine is very large, and most of its residents are intensely hostile to Russia. I cannot conceive of any nation occupying that territory for a prolonged period of time, and I expect that Russia’s leaders feel the same way.

Posted by: Rob | Jul 8 2023 20:03 utc | 375

Would it be sacrilege if the icons in Prigozin’s personal chapel were pillaged from countryside churches?
Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2023 11:15 utc | 327

I suppose it depends on what Prigozin’s motive was in the first place. If his intentions is to return them after the war then the act wouldn’t be sacrilege to my agnostic eyes.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jul 8 2023 21:16 utc | 376

376 comments now.
To b,
To the honest posters here.
There is an infestation. I’ve seen the same MO over the last 7 years.
I first came across it at the Guardian newspaper. When we were few fluffy commentators.
They swamped it with voices that only acknowledged each other. Ignored the genuine.
Eventually even modded out these who didn’t leave because they felt unwelcome.
That’s when I stopped with the Grauniad and became DunGroanin. Get it?
It’s happening here.
My opinion only of course.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 8 2023 21:51 utc | 377

Posted by: malenkov | 358
The release of the Azov thugs is not surprising: Erdogan is as agreement-incapable and duplicitous as the West. With a little luck, however, Russia will track and destroy the five in fairly short order.

I recall a comment a while ago (on here perhaps?) that a number of PoWs taken by the RF were found to have GPS locators secreted on them.
Perhaps the Turks could extend the same favour to the Azovs before handover, to assist in arranging a visit from Messrs Iskander and Kinzhal

Posted by: Rattus | Jul 8 2023 21:54 utc | 378

@tobyt | Jul 7 2023 23:20 utc | 185
The cluster bombs in Laos were sufficiently effective that they are still a serious problem. I saw this for myself about 7 years ago after conducting a course there and waiting for my ride to the airport. The daytime TV had a childrens show where the presenter was handling such a bomblet and I assume warning them (I don’t speak Laotian).

Posted by: Raumati | Jul 8 2023 22:18 utc | 379

I grew up with the “organized crime” narrative which largely was perception building based on media and Hollywood efforts. Sure there is that lower level crime which is allowed to exist but the real organized crime is at the top of corporate America, Wall Street, and government itself, including the office of the presidency; just look at Biden. We have all been conditioned to the phenomenon of Richard Nixon and GHW Bush and don’t forget the satanic Dick Cheney, but Joe Biden is a what can only be defined as a part time godfather due to his entire criminal career. Bidens continued insistance to arm Nazis in Ukraine and his latest admission of removed cognition by sending “cluster munitions” which are banned by 100 nations including NATO countries, is prime proof of his war promoting agenda. Biden knows these cluster munitions will be used. directly against civilians but so what? Anything to kill and destroy right?

Posted by: WT Baker | Jul 9 2023 16:00 utc | 380

Nuclear war, nobody wants, including Russia.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2023 19:05 utc | 105

Nobody wanted WWI either. Barring divine intervention, nuclear war seems inevitable at this point.

Posted by: Philo67 | Jul 9 2023 19:16 utc | 381

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2023 6:32 utc | 283
Napalm would be an inelegant escalation at this point, but times are changing so fast these days…

Posted by: Marjorie | Jul 10 2023 23:05 utc | 382