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July 7, 2023
Ukraine – Biden Again Escalates

The Washington Post says that the U.S. will now give cluster munition to Ukraine.

Biden approves cluster munition supply to Ukraine

President Biden has approved the provision of U.S. cluster munitions for Ukraine, with drawdown of the weapons from Defense Department stocks due to be announced Friday.

The munition will be 155mm grenades, Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions (DPICM), that can be fired by 'western' provided artillery.


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The decision, likely illegal, was made because the U.S. and its allies have run out of other 155mm munitions:

The move, which will bypass U.S. law prohibiting the production, use or transfer of cluster munitions with a failure rate of more than 1 percent, comes amid concerns about Kyiv’s lagging counteroffensive against entrenched Russian troops and dwindling Western stocks of conventional artillery.

It is accompanied by false statements that Russia has used such ammunition in Ukraine:

It follows months of internal administration debate over whether to supply the controversial munitions, which are banned by most countries in the world.

Cluster weapons explode in the air over a target, releasing dozens to hundreds of smaller submunitions across a wide area.

More than 120 countries have joined a convention banning their use as inhumane and indiscriminate, in large part because of high failure rates that litter the landscape with unexploded submunitions that endanger both friendly troops and civilians, often for decades after the end of a conflict. The United States, Ukraine and Russia — which is alleged to have used them extensively in Ukraine — are not parties to the convention. Eight of NATO’s 31 members, including the United States, have not ratified the convention.

It is well documented, by Human Rights Watch and others, that the Ukrainian military has used cluster munitions. There is nothing to support a claim that Russia has done so. The Pentagon has rejected claimed evidence of Russian cluster munition attacks:

Commenting on videos depicting alleged Russian cluster munition use, DOD officials stated during a March 1, 2022 press conference that “we’ve seen the same video that you have but we have not assessed that it is definitive with respect to the use of cluster munitions. So we are not in a position to confirm the use of cluster munitions at this time.” In a similar manner, a DOD official stated during March 3, 2022, press conference that DOD was still unable to confirm Russia’s use of cluster munitions.

Cluster munition are banned by most countries because they often fails to explode on impact and thereby leave a lot of unexploded mines on the ground:

The principal weapon under consideration, an M864 artillery shell first produced in 1987, is fired from the 155mm howitzers the United States and other Western countries have provided Ukraine. In its last publicly available estimate, more than 20 years ago, the Pentagon assessed that artillery shell to have a “dud” rate of 6 percent, meaning that at least four of each of the 72 submunitions each shell carries would remain unexploded across an area of approximately 22,500 square meters — roughly the size of 4½ football fields.

Last year the Congressional Research Service found that the real dud rate is higher than what the Pentagon claims:

There appear to be significant discrepancies among failure rate estimates. Some manufacturers claim a submunition failure rate of 2% to 5%, whereas mine clearance specialists have frequently reported failure rates of 10% to 30%. A number of factors influence submunition reliability. These include delivery technique, age of the submunition, air temperature, landing in soft or muddy ground, getting caught in trees and vegetation, and submunitions being damaged after dispersal, or landing in such a manner that their impact fuzes fail to initiate.

The Pentagon claims that the ammunition it will provide has a lower dud rate. But it never produced data from tests that would support its claims.

By agreeing to provide the munition Biden is circumventing or breaking the law:

There is no waiver provision in the 1 percent limit Congress has placed on cluster munition dud rates, written into Defense Department appropriations for the last seven years. Biden would bypass it and Congress, according to a White House official, drawing down the munitions from existing defense stocks under a rarely used provision of the Foreign Assistance Act, which allows the president to provide aid, regardless of appropriations or arms export restrictions, as long as he determines that it is in the vital U.S. national security interest.

Unfortunately neither Congress nor the courts are likely to intervene.

The cluster ammunition, like the Uranium tank ammunition the U.S. and Britain have sent to Ukraine, will make large parts of the country inhabitable and unusable for agricultural purposes. It will also make attacks and retreats through affected areas difficult for military forces on both sides.

Cluster ammunition was made during the cold war for defending against large scale armored attacks. They are imprecise area attack weapons. Their usefulness against the small unit attacks with a handful of tanks which we have often seen during this war is doubtful.

As the U.S. has run out of other ammunition what will it provide to Ukraine after the DPICM fail to turn around the fate of the Ukrainian army?

Chemical weapons? Nukes?

Comments

For use against Civilians.
For use against Civilians.
For use against Civilians.
The nazi and hate filled thugs will lob them into every “rebel” town and city in the east.
Get it now?
They are a terror weapon for use against Civilians.
PS
The most rabid of the ukronazis may even lob them into Russian border towns,in that case qué Medvedev.

Posted by: Civiwatch | Jul 7 2023 18:30 utc | 101

OT: looks like the Dutch government just collapsed 🙂

Posted by: Zet | Jul 7 2023 18:40 utc | 102

“…The underlying cause of the Ukrainian conflict has not yet been identified, yet alone addressed…”
too scents@82
The underlying cause of this-and every other conflict of the kind- is the US government’s commitment to Full Spectrum Dominance.
It really is as simple as that- the US government is the global equivalent of Organised Crime. And everywhere that it goes, from south east Asia to Europe, to Africa and Latin America, it recruits and trains the criminally inclined to work with it and for its objective which is to produce a Hell on Earth, in which a small class of exploiters devour the substance which humanity, in harmony with nature, produces.
The war in Ukraine, where victory is critical to humanity’s future, is nevertheless little more than a sideshow in world wide struggle between imperialism, no longer masked as anything more than a criminal project, and life. Life demands balance, justice and love and abhors cannibalism which is the very essence of the criminality of Empire- a greedy minority surrounded by the bones and the shortened, blighted lives of those whom they have devoured.
What Biden is telling us, and those like him have been telling us with increasing confidence for eighty years, is that obvious breaches of law and morality no longer matter because the domination that the ruling class has over the world includes control of information and opinion, which means that the criminals have the ability to re-write the law to ensure that they cannot be identified as breaking it.
The US government has been breaking every rule in the book, reneging on every agreement it ever made and betraying both the letter and spirit of every law it runs into-domestically and internationally- since people started paying attention to its actions. And long before it sealed its independence in the C18th. It has always been a criminal conspiracy. But since 1945 it has ceased to pretend otherwise. And it’s government has been taken over by the CIA, an institution which is not only out of but beyond control- it runs all three branches of government, the entire law enforcement system, the media, the internet, all means of communication and education. And is rapidly taking over every other government- it owns the UN for example. Its agents fill the legislatures across Europe- they command the armed forces of most of the world’s military, and they are constantly beavering away, gnawing at the roots of the few power centres that it does not already control.
But there is hope, yet, in those countries which have hasd, over the centuries enough of imperialism-as its colonised objects- to teach them that there is one imperative in politics today, one precondition to the solution of mankind’s many problems, and that is the defeat of the Empire and the re-education of the millions that it has corrupted.
This last will not be hard- the basis of imperialism is the belief that it is the winning side, once that is dealt with in the form of a comprehensive defeat, the Empire will expire with the whimpering of bullies and time servers learning that might is not right and that justice, the foundation of all physics and philosophy, will triumph or life will end.
(and now I must rush away, apologising for typos)

Posted by: bevin | Jul 7 2023 18:46 utc | 103

The weekend issue of German newspaper nd quotes Pentagon spokesperson Pat Ryder saying “Ich möchte anmerken, dass die Russen bereits Streumunition auf dem Schlachtfeld eingesetzt haben.” Roughly re-translated: I’d like to remind you that the Russians have a already used cluster bombs on the battlefield.

Posted by: gynt | Jul 7 2023 18:56 utc | 104

If Russia doesn’t have an end game then its elite are betraying the people as in 1991.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 7 2023 18:28 utc | 100
Disagree. 2/22/22. Who knows how long ago that date was set. I would guess 2015 or so. And it was set so as to be the “this is when we take action, regardless of our “readiness”, because we will never be fully ready. A couple days last minute adjustments, weather, etc, and it was on.
Russia doing nothing, would also be “betrayal”. Russia had no choice. So they picked a date, and said, “Let’s get ready, and hope for the best, but prepare for the worst”.
You speak off “cutting off all gas to Europe”, meaning, cut off its own major source of income? So is that why “Russia blew up Nordstream”?
You speak of “negotiation”. Not an option, never was.
You speak of destruction of NATO navies and nuclear arsenals. 1) easier said than done, 2) Nuclear war, nobody wants, including Russia.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2023 19:05 utc | 105

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 7 2023 17:25 utc | 72 “HRW, a fully financed subsidiary of the US government.”
Odd that b linked to it then as it claims both Ukraine and Russia has used these things.

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 7 2023 19:09 utc | 106

Poster upstream asked: “What’s the target going to be?”
And went on to list 4 military uses against the Russians.
I would suggest it more likely these will be fired against the civilian centers in the Donbas. Or perhaps Crimea. Wouldn’t that make interesting headlines in the MSM?
A response in kind is, of course, barbaric and not going to happen. Russia will have to take out another decision making center or two.

Posted by: oracle | Jul 7 2023 19:17 utc | 107

Poseidon from Sigonella, Sicily, closing to its old scan position on the Romanian the Black Sea coastline. Surely they will place GlobalHawk soon, too. I wonder how RF will react to this new ISR “attack”?
In Syria they again did a clown show for USAF ISR there, but broke mission successfully.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 7 2023 19:19 utc | 108

Only a truly monstrous nation would use such weapons on civilians.

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Jul 7 2023 19:19 utc | 109

“US to send cluster munitions because Ukrainian counteroffensive ‘going slower than hoped’, says Pentagon”
You got to laugh really.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 7 2023 19:21 utc | 110

There is no doubt in my mind that we are dealing with criminals, organized crime…..the Biden woke kind of government is satanic in any of its expression, evoking the greatest of repulsion from a variety of people belonging to the different political spectrum…

Posted by: Lsammart | Jul 7 2023 19:23 utc | 111

fired against the civilian centers
Posted by: oracle | Jul 7 2023 19:17 utc | 107

Barrel artillery is significantly out ranged by rocket artillery. At best these munitions will be used to spoil near fortifications. Practically every shot is wasted for want of something more effective. It does make aiming less critical. But think about not caring to aim?
What Ukraine needs is radar, EW and SHORAD. Cluster munitions for a shrinking number of 155mm guns is a nothingburger.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2023 19:27 utc | 112

@ ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 7 2023 19:21 utc | 110
“US to send cluster munitions because Ukrainian counteroffensive ‘going slower than hoped’, says Pentagon”
You got to laugh really.
Absurd, indeed. They also hoped that they would do their victory lap in Crimea, by July 15th.
Of course, in a psychonautical NATO winning world, commencing a ‘political travel trail’ from Vilnius to Crimea after the NATO meeting was planned.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 7 2023 19:33 utc | 113

Posted by: Whitney | Jul 7 2023 17:49 utc | 80
Agreed, he does not have dementia.
However:
Clearly he is demented!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 7 2023 19:37 utc | 114

the bomblet in the 155mm DPICM uses a ribbon that deploys after leaving the shell body.
the odds of the ribbon deploying to spin the arming mechanism is low, and the arming mechanism has failure modes not seen unless it goes thru 18000g acceleration.
the dud rate is likely greater than 50%.
those bomblet are two different types: anti human being, the other anti soft vehicle.
either become sub more than 50% released.
the armor pierce bomblets are deployed from 500 # bombs and are the vaunted ‘sensor fused’ bombs.
they would need the delivery fighter to go ballistic ally over the target…..
russia should take out the arty, with their version of banned munitions

Posted by: paddy | Jul 7 2023 19:39 utc | 115

@Ghost of Zanon | Jul 7 2023 16:13 utc | 38

Russia could simply send a few volleys of similar “scorched earth” ordinance toward Lvov, Kiev, or the roads near the border with Poland.

Yeah, Russia could blow up railway lines and roads or bridges in some places in western Ukraine, and then saturate those areas with cluster munitions. Then the repair crews won’t be able to function so effectively. The more plasticky type of munitions with no metal in them are apparently undetectable until they explode beneath you. So hit the electricity infrastructure to damage it and then dump a ton of cluster mines on it as well to give the repair crews endless grief.
No reason not to saturate the whole of western Ukraine with cluster munitions, could even put DU in the cluster munitions for added arseholeness.
But alas, fighting fire with fire with some added tax included as well is supposedly morally repugnant, so while Ukraine and the West can do whatever they want, Russia has to fight clean and fair.

Posted by: gT | Jul 7 2023 19:42 utc | 116

Antonivskyi Bridge
Was it cleared a few days ago or not?
I see Twitter and Telegram posts saying Ukraine is still there. Really only a nuisance but with drones they can reach out a few k’s.

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 7 2023 19:51 utc | 117

@bevin 103
The cia?
What is their goal in this conflict in ukraine? What do you think would be considered a victory for them in terms of their goals? Do you think they’re creating these plans or like following orders?

Posted by: NJH | Jul 7 2023 19:52 utc | 118

-> Whitney | Jul 7 2023 17:49 utc | 80
-> Scorpion | Jul 7 2023 19:37 utc | 115
Agreed, he does not have dementia.
However:
Clearly he is demented!

He was always evil.
Respectable Trygve E. Wighdal’s essay ‘Joe Biden’s Journey into Evil’ is well worth a read.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 7 2023 19:53 utc | 119

A 3-days-old interview by Florian Rötzer, with Jacques Baud, former agent of Switzerland’s secret service and former NATO adviser, on the Ukraine war.
https://overton-magazin.de/hintergrund/politik/jacques-baud-unsere-politiker-und-medien-machen-sich-keine-sorgen-ueber-die-ukrainer/
Takes neither the Russian nor the Western perspective. Knowledgeable, highly recommended. But in German.

Posted by: grunzt | Jul 7 2023 19:54 utc | 120

Posted by: Jams O’Doinnell | Jul 7 2023
“The responsibility for wars falls solely upon the shoulders of these same masses of people, for they have all the necessary means to avert war in their own hands.”
The saddest and most willfully ignorant form of misanthropy, O’Donnell. It must be hard being you.
The average worker must be held fully responsible for the crimes of Nuland, despite being cut from access to information, having no power to change anything as an individual, having no organization to join to stop the ruling class? Oh, and all while working constantly to avoid living in a cardboard box.
Again, I ask what are the necessary means to unseat our political elite and their billionaire backers?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 7 2023 19:56 utc | 121

Posted by: gT | Jul 7 2023 19:42 utc | 117 “Russia could blow up railway lines and roads or bridges in some places in western Ukraine,”
Why aren’t they doing this already? Without this cluster or DU stuff? It’s been almost 18 months.

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 7 2023 20:00 utc | 123

How many M777 howitzers does Ukraine have?

Is every available 155mm gun in Ukraine, or is there a reserve somewhere else?
Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2023 18:16 utc | 96

Alexander Mercouris noted, that Russia claims to have destroyed more M777 howitzers than Ukraine is said to have received from the US. This made Mercouris doubt the Russian numbers. I think it is more likely that Ukraine has received many more M777s than is officially acknowledged.
Ukraine has already received all of USA’s 155 mm ammunition, plus maybe some of the replacements from South Korea and Israel. This makes 1 million or maybe 2 million 155 mm shells. The barrels of the M777 howitzers can only withstand a thousand or so shots. (Wikipedia claims that the M777s barrels have to be swapped out after firing up to 2,500 rounds.) If we assume, that each M777 in Ukraine has so far fired 1000 shots, than there must have been at least a thousand M777s in total.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 7 2023 20:02 utc | 124

The article b linked at Human Rights Watch says Russia has already been using these things too.
Posted by: Ed2 | Jul 7 2023 15:18 utc | 24
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HRW lies. B’s article said that even the Defense Department said that; “There is nothing to support a claim that Russia has done so. The Pentagon has rejected claimed evidence of Russian cluster munition attacks: Commenting on videos depicting alleged Russian cluster munition use, DOD officials stated during a March 1, 2022 press conference that “we’ve seen the same video that you have but we have not assessed that it is definitive with respect to the use of cluster munitions. So we are not in a position to confirm the use of cluster munitions at this time.” In a similar manner, a DOD official stated during March 3, 2022, press conference that DOD was still unable to confirm Russia’s use of cluster munitions. ”

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2023 20:03 utc | 125

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 7 2023 18:27 utc | 98
Agreed, that’s why when lucid he looks wired, and unblinking with a speed freak stare.
“Brain hacking” has come a long way since the film Limitless got people curious about it. Beyond the legal speed of Modafinil/Adrafinil (the official “go pill” of the Air Force) is the racetam family, the very popular Noopept, and all the stuff Russia researched for its space program, and other uses.
Funny enough, some research suggests that a guy like Biden who had some mild aneurysms/possible strokes might benefit from Noopept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Phenylacetyl-L-prolylglycine_ethyl_ester
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil
Phenylpiracetam is of Russian origin, and while it can be overused it’s seen by many as fairly safe when cycled, with plenty of off days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylpiracetam
The list has become endless, and God only knows what the President of the United States would have access to, especially when those getting him his stuff have zero concern of his health past 2024. Burning him out so he couldn’t run might even be see as a feature, not a downside, as they’d need a plausible front person, and not someone mocked as an obvious script reading puppet.
Caveat emptor: Lots of people report some nasty side effects after reckless use of substances often inaccurately labeled as Nootropics. If you research legitimate Nootropics be prepared to be amazed at how often Russian scientists have been trailblazers in the field.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 7 2023 20:04 utc | 126

Posted by: Jams O’Doinnell | Jul 7 2023
Oh, and look at the sad fate of your source, Reich. He was a traumatized and unstable nut who tried ludicrously to combine Marx and Freud into some twisted anti fascist psychological quakery.
You’re definitely of the anti worker psuedo “Marxism” of the 70s which led directly to our the woke imperialism of our ruling elite. Many of them actually joined our ruling elite. Just like them you think the workers are the real fascists. IOW the victims are the real rapists.
Go back to your orgone box, genius. Oh or check out some Levi Strauss! Definitely up your alley. I don’t see much difference between your type and Nuland.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 7 2023 20:08 utc | 127

These guys are ‘all in’. They stand to lose everything if Russia is victorious and will stop at nothing it seems. No doubt that Russia and its allies are planning accordingly. ‘The West’ has been usurped and is fast becoming an criminally insane asylum.

Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Jul 7 2023 20:13 utc | 128

@Posted by: gynt | Jul 7 2023 18:56 utc | 104

The weekend issue of German newspaper nd quotes Pentagon spokesperson Pat Ryder saying “Ich möchte anmerken, dass die Russen bereits Streumunition auf dem Schlachtfeld eingesetzt haben.” Roughly re-translated: I’d like to remind you that the Russians have a already used cluster bombs on the battlefield.

Was there evidence and was it discussed in public or is this a case of claiming that other party is just as evil as one’s self?
I think that I have seen the thermobaric weapons likened to the cluster bombs – which might be valid in terms of widespread effect, but not the residual effect on civilian population.
It seems Biden is very inclined to provoking response.

Posted by: jared | Jul 7 2023 20:14 utc | 129

The Russians haven’t been proven to have used cluster munitions, but they certainly can throw much more of them on the battlefield than Nato/AFU can. Once they start lobbing those bombs on rear-areas, due to them having some percentage of duds automatically giving them rear-area mining effect as well.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 7 2023 20:14 utc | 130

Posted by: bevin | Jul 7 2023 18:46 utc | 103
Good post bevin! (in my opinion)

Posted by: Tim | Jul 7 2023 20:28 utc | 131

Jake Sullivan on providing cluster munitions to Ukraine.
He claims Russia has been using such munitions since the start of the war.
Please listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBF_Av0idBI

Posted by: JB | Jul 7 2023 20:28 utc | 132

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 7 2023 20:14 utc | 131
I don’t think the Russians would want to use cluster bombs in Russian or Ukrainian territory.
I am not sure what Russia will do to dissuade the Ukrainians from using them (or from escalating if they do use them); I guess if it wants to make their pleasure with the US very clear, Russia could start shooting down a lot of the ISR infrastructure. The US can bitch about violating international laws, etc, but there is no way it could use this as an excuse to enter a war (which the US is probably not keen to do anyway).
There is probably a much better response that I am missing, of course.

Posted by: Atlantis Dreams | Jul 7 2023 20:30 utc | 133

bevin | Jul 7 2023 18:46 utc | 103–
Thanks for the Big Picture reminder amongst a mass of barking dogs.
The one discussion that has any bearing was held earlier today at 15:10 Moscow time when Putin held a meeting with permanent Security Council members with only the following made public by the Kremlin:
“President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Colleagues, good afternoon.
“Today we will discuss the measures that we are taking and should take to overcoming the difficulties that some countries pose with regard to Russia. So far, they have not succeeded in anything worthwhile in terms of achievement the goals that they set in the Russian direction. I am sure that nothing will work. But you need to be aware of what is happening, so let’s Let’s discuss all these issues.
“Please the Minister of Foreign Affairs will be the first to speak. Sergey Viktorovich, please, you word.”
Given all the information Lavrov has provided over the past ten days in his many interviews and other statements, plus the content of yesterday’s briefing by Maria Zakharova, we have at least some clue as to what Lavrov might have told Putin and team. IMO, few are aware of who is on that team. Here’s the roster as supplied by the Kremlin:
“The meeting was attended by the Chairman of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko, Chairman of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin, Vice-chairman of the Security Council Dmitry Medvedev, Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office Anton Vaino, Secretary of the Security Council Nikolay Patrushev, Minister Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov, Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu, Director Federal Security Service Alexander Bortnikov, Director of the External Service Intelligence Sergey Naryshkin, Special Representative of the President for Issues environmental protection, ecology and transport Sergey Ivanov.”
The tenor recently publicized by Medvedev and Naryshkin combined with previous words spoken publicly by Putin and Lavrov combined with Zakharova’s vivid presentations yesterday and almost weekly inform me that Ukraine as an artificial state will be erased from the map of Europe and the globe. The disease that’s Nazism will be purged with fire and afterwards via the law. In any future security agreement with European states, Russia will powerfully insist that Nazism and its extremist allies be eliminated via law as was supposed to have occurred at the end of WW2. IMO, Russia views NATO as not just collaborators with the Nazis, but Nazis themselves. This is my interpretation of all I’ve read since the SMO’s beginning. If I’m correct, the next question is Will any of that be publicly formalized? Remember, Russia rarely repeats itself. And to further tie this interpretation with what just happened at the SCO Summit, Russia has consistently termed what NATO/Ukraine is doing as Terrorism, and the SCO is formulated to fight terrorism and its companion extremism, which Nazism most certainly qualifies as does NATO’s history as an aggressor.
If you neglected to read Medvedev’s Rossiyskaya Gazeta essay from 5 days ago, I strongly urge you that you do. He expects the “confrontation” to possibly last “decades” as does Hudson and a few others–decades being better than the alternative of Nuclear War. And I’ll bet the National Debt that essay was vetted by Putin.
The Nazis are losing. They have nothing capable of beating Russia as I said back in February 2022–not even their nukes. The oceans no longer offer protection, and Russia has proven its capabilities, although it would rather not employ them merely to teach a lesson. (A possible test that would perhaps teach a lesson would be to launch a Zicon from a sub in the Atlantic at a target in the Pacific overflying the breadth of the USA, which at Mach 10 wouldn’t take much time to traverse.) The battles on the ground will continue to grind, although Russia’s pushing forward on the Northern FEBA edge. The question begged: How will Russia cancel Ukraine? I’m sure that question was discussed earlier today in Moscow, so we’ll need to wait and see how it’s done.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2023 20:36 utc | 134

Military summary has a good summary of how tactics have evolved on AFU / RU side.
1. Ukraine reduces vehicle losses by dumping their infantry from vehicles 3-4 km from combat line
2. Small infantry groups led to better results approaching RU trenches
3. When RU see AFU coming, they abandon trench, wait AFU platoons to enter and then bombard the trench
4. AFU learns this and their infantry platoons start making small circles before entering trench to learn whether RU launches strike or not against trenches
5. AFU tries to use artillery to hit RU artillery they know are hitting trenches
6. RU started mining or some sort of remote explosives in trenches and blow them up once AFU group has entered
etc.
The problem is every time the trenches are hit with explosions, they degrade and become less usable, but the mining mitigates this problem.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 7 2023 20:37 utc | 135

“Stop me someone please , i think I am out of control”
Says Cocaine Joe.
This is as I believe one of the stages of surrender with saving some face and keeping most of the booty. The story is even being reported on bbc radio propaganda very short news breaks! Leading with how it is mostly banned and UN SecGeneral saying it is a bad idea!!
That is a real change in the tone after a year and a half.
Also unless this munition is already in Poland / Germany I can’t imagine large quantities of it can be moved quickly without accidents happening given its age and increase instability.
As we know ‘accidents’ happen all the time with American transport systems…

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 7 2023 20:40 utc | 136

The Russians haven’t been proven to have used cluster munitions
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 7 2023 20:14 utc | 131
Aye, German TV just reported that Russia did use cluster munitions while striking the railway station in Kramatorsk last year. I just looked up Wikipedia for that and it’s clear that the Tochka U missiles that have been used there and which had “for the children” written on them came from the Ukrainian side… it’s lies, lies, lies again.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angriff_auf_den_Bahnhof_von_Kramatorsk

Posted by: Zet | Jul 7 2023 20:43 utc | 137

They have almost ran out of ready 155mm shells, the Ukrainians will use cluster munitions like confetti, because it’s will be all they have. Desperate moves from the US to keep the offencive going, or at least the appearance of going.

Posted by: Gerard | Jul 7 2023 20:45 utc | 138

@ed3 117
Antonivskyi Bridge
Was it cleared a few days ago or not?
It was however Ukrainian artillery etc..means russia can’t hold it either. It’s a Grey zone that is no one controls it as weapons from both sides can reach it and there’s not enough cover.
They’re trading boat raids across it now, russia lost some soliders just recently, in fishing boats lol. Well can’t fault their bravery.
Ukraine is trying more though and is just raiding and leaving. Presumably they’re still looking to cross if russia doesn’t send reinforcements.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 7 2023 20:47 utc | 139

Patrick Lancaster posted a video of the cluster munitions shot into Donetsk by the Ukranians. He also interviewed a teenage boy whose foot was destroyed by one.
Posted by: Peter VE | Jul 7 2023 14:58 utc | 17
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Are you meaning the petal mines? Different thing … but still technically a cluster munition.
There is presently some disingenuous terminological confusion about the term cluster munitions. Read all about it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_munition

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 7 2023 20:48 utc | 140

“The cluster ammunition, like the Uranium tank ammunition the U.S. and Britain have sent to Ukraine, will make large parts of the country inhabitable and unusable for agricultural purposes.”
I’m sure b meant “uninhabitable” – which is the whole point. US knows the war is lost so they are engaging scorched earth tactics. With very little to no pushback either.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Jul 7 2023 20:51 utc | 141

@bevin 103: “there is one imperative in politics today, one precondition to the solution of mankind’s many problems, and that is the defeat of the Empire and the re-education of the millions that it has corrupted”.
That’s it in a nutshell isn’t it. I’ve always found Russian history, culture, literature, fascinating, but I’m not a Putin cheerleader. That said, I understand the real enemy, as bevin so well describes, are the rapacious elites of the West, and specifically the US and the UK. They’ve perfected a system that has made virtual slaves of, or pauperized, most of humanity. So, if Putin’s SMO is the first step towards bringing that whole fucking thing thing crashing to the ground, I say, good on him. bevin, you need to post more often!

Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 7 2023 20:57 utc | 142

Why are we 16 months into the war and Donetsk City can still be hit with Ukrainian artillery?

Posted by: Simon | Jul 7 2023 21:01 utc | 143

“It was a very difficult decision on my part. And by the way, I discussed this with our allies, I discussed this with our friends up on the Hill,” Biden said, adding, “The Ukrainians are running out of ammunition.”

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 7 2023 21:06 utc | 144

Supplying cluster munitions to Ukraine shows that the U.S. now believes that Russia will win the Ukraine war and wants to leave the winner with as difficult a legacy as possible in the form of bomb-contaminated terrain.

Posted by: xblob | Jul 7 2023 21:10 utc | 145

It’s very weird
Posted by: Whitney | Jul 7 2023 17:49 utc | 80
Yeah, I agree with you that Biden’s mental health is not CHRONIC dementia, more like PERIODIC dementia. It’s definitely intermittent, like my car. Has anyone checked the battery terminals?!?!

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 7 2023 21:17 utc | 146

Posted by: gT | Jul 7 2023 19:42 utc | 117
There is another possibility as well – it would require a good source of intelligence on where the cluster munitions are being stored, once they get in country.
If Russia could get a fix on a warehouse in Lviv or even a transfer point, then hit it with a Kinzhal or two, given the high rate of “duds” it might create a nasty no-go zone right in the heart of Lviv.
I’m sure RK and the tourist group he’s organizing would love that.
Scattered

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 7 2023 21:18 utc | 147

Posted by: bill wolfe | Jul 7 2023 20:51 utc | 142
US knows the war is lost so they are engaging scorched earth tactics
I don’t know how else to interpret what the US is doing either, but it makes so little sense that I can’t really believe it.
The US has troops stationed everywhere (e.g. Syria, Iraq, etc.)–if Russia wants, even without removing those troops, it can make life very, very, very difficult for the US, and surely the US knows this. Something just doesn’t seem to be adding up.

Posted by: Atlantis Dreams | Jul 7 2023 21:18 utc | 148

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 7 2023 21:17 utc | 147
Anyone who has worked with Alzheimer’s patients knows that they have good days and bad ones.
One minute they’re lucid and telling stories about their youth, and the next they’re drooling into their pudding and ranting about the Truman administration as if it is 1948.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 7 2023 21:20 utc | 149

Simon | Jul 7 2023 21:01 utc | 144

Why are we 16 months into the war and Donetsk City can still be hit with Ukrainian artillery?

RT reports the shelling of neighborhoods in the Donbass every day. What they never do is to show a map explaining where the shelling hit and where it may have originated. That is exactly the information we would need to understand what Russia can do to stop this.

Posted by: grunzt | Jul 7 2023 21:21 utc | 150

The US has troops stationed everywhere (e.g. Syria, Iraq, etc.)–if Russia wants, even without removing those troops, it can make life very, very, very difficult for the US, and surely the US knows this. Something just doesn’t seem to be adding up.
Posted by: Atlantis Dreams | Jul 7 2023 21:18 utc | 149
I think the Russians, Chinese, and Iran all rely on that. As long as they are littered about all over the planet, they won’t be doing anything much about countries that can fight back.
I have come to the conclusion they still think they are fighting the first peoples here, building forts and raiding villages and laying waste about the countyside.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 7 2023 21:24 utc | 151

The Ukrainian proxy war between the West and Russia will keep escalating until enough people with enough influence decide that “How would a nuclear war between Russia and the US affect you personally?” is the line that shouldn’t be crossed. I’m skeptical.

Posted by: xor | Jul 7 2023 21:31 utc | 152

When he’s under substance he wakes up and utters a few bright sentences then prolly gets back to dumbness, confusion for hours or days …
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 7 2023 18:02 utc | 86
Not true. It’s actually the other way round. He still holds meetings with world leaders, committees, impirtant briefings, gives fully lucid speeches at 90% of the times. Contrary to much popular belief, he’s not a vegetable around the office. If all you ever see are clips of all his stumbling and gaffes, yeah, you’d take him to the hospital. But oddly enough he’s still working in many capacities. Ffs, he and Jill still think he’s good for another term! What planet do they live on. I find it interesting that he has come up negative in dementia tests but that medicos are unable to name what *IS* his problem. Just goes to show the conpjexity of the human brain. My theory is (intermittent) loose battery terminals.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 7 2023 21:31 utc | 153

” They see the imperial behemoth as the perfect vehicle”, aka NAZI’s. You are correct sir.

Posted by: TJC | Jul 7 2023 21:33 utc | 154

As I said last thread, NATO will escalate. It will not back down. The more Ukranazistan is clearly losing, so that not even Westernaganda can pretend it’s not, the more NATO will escalate. When Ukranazistan uses these cluster munitions (which, if Bidet now says are approved, are sure either on the way or already in Ukranazistan) on Donetsk civilians, NATOganda will either ignore it or claim Russia did it to blame Ukranazistan. When these cluster shells fail, NATO will escalate further. The longer this war of attrition drags on the more NATO will have the time and opportunity to escalate.
Now feel free to tell me how stupid I am.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 7 2023 21:43 utc | 155

It does make one reflect what a vile hypocrisy liberalism is. Trump, a huckster and showman, a slum landlord and a carny wheeler-dealer, is infinitely preferable to the abyss of humanity that Biden stands for. Trump at least is a human type. He wheels and deals, and when accused of it he says “I never said I wasn’t a wheeler and a dealer, nor have I exactly hidden it—if you don’t like it don’t vote for me.” His moral compass is not great but its transparent. In short, he is a politician in the literal sense: he engages in politicking. If there is a problem he sees the solution in ‘doing a deal’, which is another way of saying ‘reaching a compromise’. Biden on the other hand is the degree zero of ethics, an unfathomable sinkhole of emptiness, a stripped-back ghoulish walking cadaver who thrives in a vacuum of meaning and non-signification. The actual dementia he suffers from now is just an extension of the moral dementia that’s always afflicted him. Trump, the Wizard of Uz, may want to build a garish and kitsch America, full of nostalgia for what never was, and return to a Hugh Heffner world of golf, girls and parties. One may grimace but it’s something, something to build, maybe a bad joke but endearing in a childlike way. Biden, however, is a black hole that sucks in all the light, like a mafiosi spider at the bottom of a pile of refuse, a liberal Chthulu, who has utter contempt for everything platitude he utters, not a trace of belief in any value he pretends to espouse. Trump’s America might be redneck and gun-totin’ but if you show up you’ll get a beer and a hotdog and a MAGA cap. It’s a rally, it’s rough, but it’s full of human beings who, in the end, just want a crack at a life. Sneer at them but don’t doubt their sincerity. Are they manipulated? Sure, but they know what he is, the carny showman. Biden’s side of the road is orders of magnitude more Lovecraftian, where words like ‘sinister’ and ‘predatory’ seem inept to communicate the horror. Even Conrad’s Kurtz had flawed belief and soaring rhetoric, though he was a deranged genocidal bandit. What’s worse is that Biden, while all that, claims to stand for our civilisation, speaks on behalf of a European tradition, but all he does is loot, maim, kill and soil anything with a shred of symbolic value. The world under his ‘leadership’ is sleepwalking into an unholy protection racket overseen by shark-eyed sociopaths, grey managers who eke out a retribution for their narrow-minded self-loathing on anyone who tries to make or build something, anything. Lampreys and leeches, these vermin need to go, the Murdochs, Musks, Bezoses, Zuckerbergs, Bidens and Clintons, Blairs and Schwabs, before these parasitic vampires and their grey beltway zombies leave our world a husk, dry and ash-strewn.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 7 2023 21:44 utc | 156

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 7 2023 21:43 utc | 156
since everyone knows that already
– this is the plan so keep it on the russians said it as I understood 🙂

Posted by: Macpott | Jul 7 2023 21:46 utc | 157

Grew up watching Spassky, always knew chess was a Russian game at heart. Regarding the “go-slow” approach, sometimes in chess you allow the opponent to attack and attack because invariably he makes a mistake. Of course this could be just wishful thinking.

Posted by: TJC | Jul 7 2023 21:46 utc | 158

If Russia doesn’t have an end game then its elite are betraying the people as in 1991.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 7 2023 18:28 utc | 100

Tbh, a pretty daft statement.
* 1991 was not a war between 40 countries and RF.
* 1991 was a clown show between Gorby>Yeltsin. This is Putin.
* 1991 was a USSR in disarray. Today is a very unified RF.
* The SMO clearly states its aims. But aims are not outcomes. And, it was written BEFORE so many other factors came into play,eg sanctions, therefore it changes along the way.
*This conflict can’t have any known outcomes, or end game as you call it, because it is clearly being driven by the enemy’s constant escalation.
* Russia is renowned for not showing its all cards. Even if there is a Kremlin “end game”, no-one is ever going to know.
* Russians, as a people, are more trusting of their leaders to take them along the best path, unlike insecure westerners who want to know The Map in advance.
You’re just being hyper-rationalist (A>B>C) and want to know the ending of the screenplay while the movie is still playing. AND you presume that Russia alone is in control of the war’s tragectory. Just not true.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 7 2023 21:52 utc | 159

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 7 2023 21:44 utc | 157
No argument there Pat!

Posted by: jpc | Jul 7 2023 21:54 utc | 160

bevin 103
Imperialism v life
Thanks for your always commonsense.
I’m on a government funded EV Charger course which the said fraud government has attached to a course on Mental Health. I just felt compelled to post this on the Course WhatsApp log:
‘ How can a government that arms and funds Nazis teach anybody anything about Mental Health. Our grandfathers fought two world wars against Nazism.
Bonkers. ‘
They want to Mental health as a
personality problem thus exempting employers from making workplaces human friendly. God sends problems to those who neglect His worship. Right now the USUKIS copium levels are down. So vicious and illegal weapons must be sent. This is the advanced civilisation of the West?
Reminds me of neanderthals living under the canopy of the forest clubbing passing females for sex.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 7 2023 21:56 utc | 161

Astonishingly and almost beyond comprehension is the situation a warrior nation like the US, which has been mobilized for total war for over seven decades, cannot supply enough munitions for a skirmish like the smo in Ukraine. Americans have not only been duped into transferring their wealth to war industrialists, they have not even procured sufficient manufacturing for reliable munitions delivery.

Posted by: Wilikins | Jul 7 2023 21:59 utc | 162

https://t.me/intelslava/49756
now thats a bicture worth seeing. just to show the amount of trucks required to run a patriot battery. pity but RF wont send, but one khinzal would be the best ever example that cements whose missile can do what if it took out that trillion dollar parking lot
Passengers of aircraft landing at Vilnius Airport will observe the German Patriot air defense systems directed at them for the next few days.
A whole division of air defense systems is deployed to cover the NATO summit, which will be held in the capital of Lithuania on July 11-12.

Posted by: hankster | Jul 7 2023 22:02 utc | 163

The West have tried many, many wunderwaffe and the Russians have shown that they can combat every one. It will be the same with the cluster munitions. A great point made by Atlantis Dreams is that Russia could start taking out the West’s reconnaissance assets, as they are legitimate targets taking an active role in a war – no targeting information for those cluster munitions. The Russians could announce in advance that all such assets will be shot down when surveilling the battle space, which by itself would create a lot of caution in the cowardly West. One shoot down would make them scuttle away rapidly.
Another would be to take out the whole transport infrastructure next to the Polish border, stopping Western weapons getting to the front. Planes, drones and missiles from Western Belarus could easily do this, protected by the Wagner forces. This would ruin Banderland, but not the rest of Ukraine that Russia actually wants to not ruin.
Seems the wunderwaffe F16s are significantly delayed, perhaps the West doesn’t want the world to know how easily Russia will destroy them. The British also seem to making sure that their wunderwaffe tanks are not exposed to Russian helicopters, drones and ATGMs.
The failure of the Leopard and Bradley wunderwaffe forced the Ukrainians to go back to wave after wave of infantry assaults. The Russians have adapted to this to optimize the losses of the Ukrainians. Military Summary Channel covers this well.
Summer Operations | The Russians Have Adapted To Ukrainian Tactics

Posted by: Roger | Jul 7 2023 22:04 utc | 164

fyi – Today – 30 mins – Pentagon – Polished lies – lies nevertheless … etc.
Exclusive Briefing: Undersecretary Reveals Pentagon’s Defense Policy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvGDNASm30E
@bevin #103
You’re in fine form today.
@karlof1
Yes. This is a ‘long war’ – it has been going on now for at least 70 years – and will last quite a few decades more or more … on this we are in agreement. Today is no surprise nor would Agent Orange on the Wheatfields of the Steppes or indeed Chemical weaponry under the table etc … and ‘Dirty Bomb’ still in play …
To borrow from Michael Hudson’s book title –
Whither “The Destiny of Civilization …..
………… Finance Capitalism, Industrial Capitalism or Socialism”
The Empire’s real “Cluster-fu€k-Up” was its seizure of Venezuela’s, Afghanistan’s and the Russian Federation’s gold and foreign exchange reserves …..
…. which acted as the catalyst for Others starting to disengage from the Empire’s dollar-centered trade and financial system in place for the past 70 years.
On it goes …. Barman b – large Jameson please! Have one yourself .. Ta.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 7 2023 22:07 utc | 165

Ghost of Zanon 150 posted
“Anyone who has worked with Alzheimer’s patients knows that they have good days and bad ones.”
Their good days are better than their bad days but their good days are never comparable to what you see from Biden on his good days.

Posted by: Whitney | Jul 7 2023 22:22 utc | 166

Posted by: smartboy | Jul 7 2023 14:43 utc | 13
The only way for Russia to end this mess is to seize entire UA territory. Pinpoint strikes and neverending defence is not enough.
Ukraine is 600,000 km2
Washington, DC is 177 km2
City of London is 2.9 km2
Very strategic “pinpoint strikes.”
Mimimal destruction of territory.

Posted by: ChasMark | Jul 7 2023 22:22 utc | 167

Everyone is talking about the cluster munitions…
There is other stuff on the list:
What is a “Penguin Unmanned Aerial System”?

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 7 2023 22:26 utc | 168

Press Briefing Bombshell: National Security Advisor Reveals Startling Secrets
[one hour – today –
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46AUsjFkT0

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 7 2023 22:26 utc | 169

@ grunzt | Jul 7 2023 19:54 utc | 121
thanks for the link to the jacques baud interview.. much appreciated.. although it is in german, the translate feature on my computer works great… i want to draw moa posters attention to a post in the comment section of the link that @121 grunzt shared as i think it is worth emphasizing.. remember – its a translation from the german language..
“Sabine Schulz says:
4th. July 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
The upcoming NATO summit in Vilnius could be as fateful as that of 1997, when NATO’s eastward expansion and Ukraine Charter were passed.
Even if there is no concrete definition in Vilnius of the NATO admission of Ukraine, as the Selensky government wants to enforce by all means, NATO is planned to commit to Ukraine’s massive armament for many years.
If NATO specifically decides to do so, it will make hopeless negotiation offers for a ceasefire.
The Kremlin will not get involved in a „ Minsk-3 “ to save time for the renewed armament of Ukraine by the West and constantly emphasizes this.
Since some NATO members become „ war tired “, others want to form a „ coalition of the willing “ to pull through what is not consensual, and u. a. later deploy soldiers in Ukraine on their own.
Poland also requires „ nuclear participation “, i.e. H. NATO nuclear weapons on its territory, i.e. a constant „ Cuba crisis “ in Europe.
Even if there is a formal ceasefire in Ukraine at some point in view of its military defeat, Europe’s confrontation against Russia will continue.
It is desperate.”

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2023 22:27 utc | 170

What kind of language is that “will bypass the law”?
“Officer, I wasn’t breaking the law, I was bypassing it.”

Posted by: Pessimist | Jul 7 2023 22:27 utc | 171

Posted by: Roger | Jul 7 2023 22:04 utc | 165 “The failure of the Leopard and Bradley wunderwaffe forced the Ukrainians to go back to wave after wave of infantry assaults. The Russians have adapted to this to optimize the losses of the Ukrainians. Military Summary Channel covers this well.”
The claim for the shift in tactics is:
1) Ukraine pushes small numbers of troops forward,
2) Russia call down a lot of artillery.
3) Ukraine is waiting for this to happen, quickly locates and fires at the Russian artillery.
They are claiming to have destroyed a number of Russian pieces of artillery doing this.

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 7 2023 22:32 utc | 172

@Posted by: Peter VE | Jul 7 2023 14:58 utc | 17
Cluster bombs of the type depicted above were also recorded by Patrick Lancaster as being used by the Ukrainians last year when he was in Kherson (not Donetsk)before the Surovikin tactical retreat to the eastern side of the Dnipro River. He showed the empty shell container that had contained the bomblets and interviewed a family that had had two killed (mother and daughter if I remember corectly) outside by the strike. This would make it clear that UKrainians had these weapons early in the campaign. They were not like the little green and red-brown butterfly types used in Donetsk which you correctly report on, but the type that has beer can shaped bomblets.

Posted by: George | Jul 7 2023 22:42 utc | 173

169 penguin drone. a small drone that automated . It is actually extensively used in civilian jobs like agriculture and engineering forestry. low cost with small radar footprint. Not a wunderwaffle not even the maple syrup to go on a waffle. Rf wont miss it pantsir etc are perfect to eradicate that type of drone

Posted by: hankster | Jul 7 2023 22:44 utc | 174

What is a “Penguin Unmanned Aerial System”?
Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 7 2023 22:26 utc | 169
————————————————–
I give up, what is a “Penguin Unmanned Aerial System”? Explain and then provide sources.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2023 22:45 utc | 175

Sorry Hankster, we loaded at about the same time. But thanks for the information.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2023 22:48 utc | 176

It’s very weird
Posted by: Whitney | Jul 7 2023 17:49 utc | 80
Agree. Case in point was when the Biden crime family recently went to Ireland. Joe addressed the fawning Irish parliament with complete lucidity and without reading a teleprompter. He spoke for quite a while too, though I couldn’t continue to watch past a few minutes.
So whatever the prognosis, and I agree that it can’t be ordinary dementia, he clearly has”urgency” or possibly incontinence at times and becomes very confused and disoriented at times. He also has a strange forward leaning gait at times. I’m guessing that side effects in the brain from a life long drug habit could explain the signs of brain degeneration.

Posted by: K | Jul 7 2023 22:52 utc | 177

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2023 20:36 utc | 135
Medvedev expects the “confrontation” to possibly last “decades” as does Hudson and a few others–decades being better than the alternative of Nuclear War.<<< That makes total sense to me. Big picture, it *IS* a long term battle of empires, cultures, geopolitical alliances, etc. I liken it to a boxing match of infinite rounds where RF wants to win by permanently putting the opponent out of boxing for good by brain damage, not just a 10 count knockout, then to come for a rematch. In Hollywood terms, there must be no sequel to this! That, to me, is why Putin has NEVER spoken about any time limits. "Old Russia" (Putin's deepest love, and I don't mean recreating the USSR) is in this to the end of its threats. China sees its civilisation in similar terms. It was once a global superpower before it went internal and weak. They too now want to restore THEIR greatness at the expense of US dominance. THAT is probably China and Russia's most common theme. In its existential history: Russia is >1000 years old. US is ~350. Russia got weak 1991-2022, but is returning to strength. US has had its time in the sun (1945-now). The mission now is to remove, for good, hegemony from the planet. Imo, this may/will take decades. The US is not gunna give up easily, nor be beaten down in 2-8 rounds. People who talk about the “imminent collapse of America” are deluded, more hopeful than realistic.
Besides, Russia DOES NOT WANT “the total collapse of America”. It just wants its pegging down, a more level playing field.
Slow attrition (of all the enemies) is the only strategy. Innunerable punches, or all types, from all directions. Sure, you receive a few blows. But resolve, skill, training, tactics, ethics, morality, are all on Russia’s side.
This is indeed WW3 at present. A very slow and long one, rather than the short nukey-option many foresee. I believe collective humanity will (resentfully) tolerate this slow battle better than the big bang option. Other than the few nukey-hawks in the US Congress and some angry keyboard children, 99.9% of the world will not allow the nuke option. True, they are afraid of it, but more motivated to prevent it if the rhetoric gets too close to comfort.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 7 2023 22:55 utc | 178

What kind of language is that “will bypass the law”
Posted by: Pessimist | Jul 7 2023 22:27 utc | 172.
The same weasel speak that came up with “pre-emptive retaliation “

Posted by: auximenes | Jul 7 2023 23:04 utc | 179

Anyone who has worked with Alzheimer’s patients knows that they have good days and bad ones.
One minute they’re lucid and telling stories about their youth, and the next they’re drooling into their pudding and ranting about the Truman administration as if it is 1948.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 7 2023 21:20 utc | 150
Sorry mate, true but out of context. My mum had Alzheimers for 25 years. I knew it well. Yes, they flip between those episodes but they do not play CEO of the USA on “good days”. That’s definitely something different. Falling whilst running up stairs after giving a major speech to an international conference of political boffins is not Alzheimers.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 7 2023 23:07 utc | 180

Amazing how everyone gets triggered by these escalations, only to realize weeks later they have little to no effect. What happened to the depleted uranium shell drama? Storm Shadow drama? Russia knows where the goods will be stored, and will destroy a majority of these shells well before they reach the front. Russia is also destroying in volume the artillery of Ukraine that can be used to fire these shells. Take a deep breath and compose yourselves. Stay Calm and Carry On.

Posted by: JustTruth | Jul 7 2023 23:09 utc | 181

This war is getting boooring.
Use tactical nukes already pansies.

Posted by: Comandante | Jul 7 2023 23:11 utc | 182

https://t.me/intelslava/49756
now thats a bicture worth seeing. just to show the amount of trucks required to run a patriot battery. pity but RF wont send.
Posted by: hankster | Jul 7 2023 22:02 utc | 164

Yeah, the funniest thing is that they must seriously think Russia would Kinzhal them!!! Or its just a PR show for the visitors.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jul 7 2023 23:14 utc | 183

Okay, let’s break this down.
The maximum range of most western 155mm rounds are in the vicinity of (±) 45 km.
So, are there any Russian civilian areas within this range? And, are there any Russian territories currently occupied by proxy 404?
As alluded to by @ Milites| 21, the military application is negligible in affecting the tactical/strategic outcome.
On a human and ecological level, Meh! Just another day (thoughts and prayers) and move on.
Clearly, US game plan was always to trap Russia in Ukraine, they are evolving their tactics to achieve this end goal, since militarily, it’s over.
Maybe Russia could help arm Syria and provide ISR to help them militarily eject an illegal occupational force of less than 1000 men?

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 7 2023 23:15 utc | 184

Those were cluster anti-personnel mines PFM-1 Lepestok—cluster munitions specifically designed to explode when stepped on, tearing off people’s feet. PFM-1 is a Soviet copy of U.S.’s BLU-43/44 Dragontooth, which the U.S. invented and used as part of its Operation Igloo White in Vietnam and Laos. I was stationed in Saigon during that period and remember that ultimately these munitions were left on the pallets they arrived on and dropped out of the tail end of C130s over Laos. They were not very effective and we had reports that the enemy coming south on the Ho Chi Minh trail used sticks to hit them and explode them for amusement during their rest breaks …

Posted by: tobyt | Jul 7 2023 23:20 utc | 185

The Plain of Jars.

Between May 1964 and the summer of 1969, the Plain of Jars was heavily bombed by the United States Air Force operating against North Vietnamese and Pathet Lao communist forces during the Secret War.[4] This included 262 million anti-personnel cluster bombs. An estimated 80 million of these did not explode and remain a deadly threat to the population.

Posted by: Dodgy Bodger | Jul 7 2023 23:21 utc | 186

@Posted by: Peter VE | Jul 7 2023 14:58 utc | 17
Patrick Lancaster videos.
Here are the two Patrick Lancaster video links that expose and confirm Ukraine’s use of cluster bombs like the one depicted in the above photo last year. I refer to the Kherson video in my post number 174 above.
In Kherson before the Russian tactical retreat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VG0OksTiAI
In Donetsk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olTwZbfzdPk

Posted by: George | Jul 7 2023 23:25 utc | 187

I still, and will always maintain the simple answer to WHY?
It also answers each escalation, each dollar, and each lie by the Biden Regime.
This “installed President” is compromised. This Biden. regime is the most corrupt in American history and most Americans are oblivious idiots.
There will be a point when the dirt (beyond what we are seeing now) starts to flow as Zelensky gets closer and closer to his inevitable end.
Zelensky will spill the dirt on the Biden regime.
It’s only a matter of when, or if CIA can wack the dirt spillers first and keep the rest under control of mortal fear as they die one by one.

Posted by: Breaking News | Jul 7 2023 23:27 utc | 188

I read Mendeliev again. And Bevin. There is a confrontation which builds up, and it is no more about about Ukraine than French Revolution was about Callas or Sirven’s cases in the 1750ths.
We are building on 10 or 20 years, or less, a coalition that can no more deal with the actual west masters than the French Revolution could deal with the nobles, past 1792.
Like in 1941 there will be an opposition to the West masters from inside and outside.
We inside count.
We are only in the forrunnings, we are still in 1780th or 1930th or in anarchist 1906.
At one moment the chain will tend itself, and things will go very fast. May be around 2029.
Tectonics mean huge moutains confronting themselves. War escalating as himalayas. It is the usual way.
There is no need to facsinate ourselves in nuclear things. Because we have no hand to that, no way to oppose. We can.just refrain from nervous hysteria. And it is possible what will counts will be elsewhere. (Sudden cut of all electricity for exemple, like the schemes of the 2000 supposed bug.
We are not yet clandestine,hidding so it did not start really yet.
UN is no solution. There will be a complete split between west and East with two main armies and thoughts and some rare neutral parts. (Only India I believe is powerful enough for that.)
Saoudia and Iran cooparating counts more on a long range than all about Ukraine which is no more than a teaser. As was spain in 1936. Popular and desmonstrative but not central.
XXIth century will be religious or wont be said Malraux 60 years ago.
People might want to read the last quarter of “les chênes qu’on abat” (“Oaks we cut down?” De Gaulle giving his view on our current time in 1969 to Malraux:
“Mao yes, Islam may be, Africa ?…”
In France the new rioters where 14 years old and living in small towns. They will remind it long.
Too much crypto fascism in French Police. Brown shirts like Germany in 1930.
Social divide and too obscene power. We might scale down to the 2 billions people we were 80 years ago. Life as this elasticity, like after the big plegue of 1348.
We will be “cooked” many times before the unity cake mature. Thanks to you here who are taming the i ter.al fire of collective growth, this century again!

Posted by: Baile | Jul 7 2023 23:31 utc | 189

Posted by: K | Jul 7 2023 22:52 utc | 178
No teleprompter? I think I see it in the video.
It’s just in front and to the side of his right shoulder, and he appears to me to keep looking back to it. Oh, at the end of the video I see another teleprompter off to his left.
Video plus a snarky commentary here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/hes-shot-joe-biden-reads-end-of-quote-off-of-teleprompter-in-disastrous-speech-to-irish-parliament-video/

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 7 2023 23:39 utc | 190

Posted by: Ed3 | Jul 7 2023 22:32 utc | 173
4. The counter-battery units are themselves attacked.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 7 2023 23:51 utc | 191

Speaking of escalation. Turkey was never going to go along with article 5. Will they bypass article 5 with the security guarantee pledge party on June 11? Coalition of the willing the unwilling be damned? Nuland says USA enters war June 11. What are they cooking up? Just how crazy are these people? We find out soon.

Posted by: sillydog | Jul 7 2023 23:56 utc | 192

Don Firineach | Jul 7 2023 22:07 utc | 166–
Thanks for your reply. I’ll soon be enjoying a Dragonstooth Stout by Elysian on my deck washing out the pigment enhancer used during my echocardiogram today while basking in the late afternoon sun on my deck and puzzling extra hard sudokus. The editorial Strategic-Culture published today also tells us who is responsible since this all began in the aftermath of WW2 precisely to keep Nazism alive and kicking in Ukraine.
The Dolphin | Jul 7 2023 22:55 utc | 179–
Thanks for your well-reasoned reply. Putin and team are busy creating something much better than the USSR, which is something I’ve been wanting to expand upon. And it just so happens his vision fits with Xi and his team on the rejuvenation of China. Do note I say team in both instances, for that’s the reality–it’s not just one man being the Sage King.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2023 0:01 utc | 193

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 7 2023 23:39 utc | 190
I’m not American therefore not blinded by your partisan politics. Its obvious he is speaking without prompting if you turn off your own bias and watch it. The flow and rhythm of speech is very different when people are speaking naturally, i would say its especially so in Biden’s case as he appears to be always self conscious when using the prompter.
Whereas when reporters catch him on the street for a comment he is his old gangsta self just as he was in Ireland.

Posted by: K | Jul 8 2023 0:04 utc | 194

Ghost of Zanon: I’m not a psychiatrist and thus cannot render a positive Alzheimer’s diagnosis. Still, it gives pause that Biden, as president, has referred to himself as a senator and has given the “God save the queen” salute when said monarch was dead.
Where is Oliver Sacks? He could diagnose this.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 8 2023 0:07 utc | 195

FWIW: When I search for “Has Russia used cluster bombs in Ukraine” I get endless hits from western media (eg CNN, NBC, etc) saying they have. Whenever anyone protests about US now sending cluster bombs to Ukraine on Twitter, many comments appear saying “Russia is using them too.”
Human Rights Watch (the former Helsinki Watch) also clearly says that Russia has used cluster bombs. On the page I found, the assert that Russia has used them, but in regards to Ukraine, they only say that “Ukraine has not denied using cluster munitions” (as if they’re quoting from a lawyer).
HRW says Russia has used cluster bombs.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Jul 8 2023 0:18 utc | 196

Even before you get to the rights and wrongs of cluster munitions, I think that the basic threshold should be cohesion in the response from the “great and good” …
… this does not bode well …
Biden Defends Sending Ukraine Controversial Cluster Bombs
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/53708

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jul 8 2023 0:19 utc | 197

FWIW, western media also clearly says Ukraine has shot down 6 Kinzhals. It is presented and/or confirmed by US defense officials, Ukraine, etc. Even Brookings chimes in.
I see that Russia claims they haven’t even fired 6 of them.
With regards to all these claims, I’d like to see better evidence.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Jul 8 2023 0:24 utc | 198

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Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 8 2023 0:28 utc | 199

Schmoozing The Sultan:
08 July ,2023: 01:32 AM GST
Russian President Vladimir Putin will next month pay his first visit to Turkey since the Kremlin launched its invasion of Ukraine 500 days ago, Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday.
“Next month Putin will pay a visit to Turkey,” Erdogan told a joint media appearance with visiting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, adding that he would discuss prisoner swaps with the Russian ruler.
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2023/07/08/Putin-will-visit-Turkey-next-month-Erdogan
Reuters
§| Turkey’s Erdogan to host Putin, hopes for Black Sea grain deal extension
Turkey’s President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday that he was pressing Russia to extend a Black Sea grain deal by at least three months and announced a visit by President Vladimir Putin in August.
He was speaking at a joint news conference with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy after the two parties met to discuss the fate of an arrangement, brokered last year by Turkey and the United Nations, to allow for the safe export of grain from Ukrainian ports via the Black Sea despite the war.
Turkey’s President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday that he was pressing Russia to extend a Black Sea grain deal by at least three months and announced a visit by President Vladimir Putin in August.
He was speaking at a joint news conference with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy after the two parties met to discuss the fate of an arrangement
Erdogan said work was under way on extending the Black Sea grain deal beyond its expiration date of July 17 and for longer periods beyond that.
The deal would be one of the most important issues on the agenda for his meeting with Putin in Turkey next month, he said.
“Our hope is that it will be extended at least once every three months, not every two months. We will make an effort in this regard and try to increase the duration of it to two years,” he said at the news conference with Zelenskiy.
Both men said they had also discussed another key question for Erdogan’s talks with Putin — the question of prisoner exchanges, which Zelenskiy said had been the first thing on their agenda.
“I hope we will get a result from this soon,” Erdogan said. Zelenskiy said he would wait for a result to comment but made clear the discussion had gone into specifics on returning all captives including children deported to Russia and other groups.
“We are working on the return of our captives, political prisoners, Crimean Tatars,” he said, referring to members of Ukraine’s Muslim community in the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.
“Our partners have all the lists. We are really working on this.” Erdogan said the issue could also come up in his contacts with the Russian leader before his visit.
“If we make some phone calls before that, we will discuss it on the call as well,” he said.
The Kremlin said it would be watching the talks closely, saying Putin has highly appreciated the mediation of Erdogan in attempting to resolve the conflict in Ukraine. “As for forthcoming contacts between Putin and Erdogan, we do not rule them out in the foreseeable future,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters ahead of the Istanbul talks with Zelenskiy, which began on Friday.
Russia, angry about aspects of the grain deal’s implementation, has threatened not to allow its further extension beyond July 17.
Turkey, a NATO member, has managed to retain cordial relations with both Russia and Ukraine over the past 16 months of the war and last year it helped to broker prisoner exchanges.
Turkey has not joined its Western allies in imposing economic sanctions on Russia, but has also supplied arms to Ukraine and called for its sovereignty to be respected.
Story also at
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-turkey-recep-tayyip-erdogan/

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 8 2023 0:29 utc | 200