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July 22, 2023
The U.S. Wars Against Russia And China Have No Economic Logic Attached To Them

The U.S. politician Zbigniew Brzezinski was a hardliner with a (neo-)liberal core. He had a wide influence on U.S. policies:

Brzezinski is the author of The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives, a 1997 book on geopolitics that was based on Mackinder’s Heartland Theory. Brzezinski argued that the US could retain global supremacy only if it prevented the emergence of a single power on the World-Island.

The Brzezinski Doctrine remains influential in the US foreign-policy establishment. His protégés, among them Ukrainian émigré Victoria Nuland, undersecretary of state for political affairs, are a powerful voice in the US State Department.

Brzezinski had argued that without Ukraine, Russia would be unable to rule the Asian heartland and could not challenge U.S. power.

But I just learned via a Pepe Esobar essay about Henry Kissinger's visit and a potential great power war with China, that Brezezinski had in later years changed his mind:

“The Grand Chessboard”, published in 1997, before the 9/11 era, argued that the US should rule over any peer competitor rising in Eurasia. Brzezinski did not live to see the living incarnation of his ultimate nightmare: a Russia-China strategic partnership. But already seven years ago – two years after Maidan in Kiev – at least he understood it was imperative to "realign the global power architecture".

In a longer piece published in 2016 in American Interest, Brzezinski indeed argued for great power cooperation:

A constructive U.S. policy must be patiently guided by a long-range vision. It must seek outcomes that promote the gradual realization in Russia (probably post-Putin) that its only place as an influential world power is ultimately within Europe. China’s increasing role in the Middle East should reflect the reciprocal American and Chinese realization that a growing U.S.-PRC partnership in coping with the Middle Eastern crisis is an historically significant test of their ability to shape and enhance together wider global stability.

The alternative to a constructive vision, and especially the quest for a one-sided militarily and ideologically imposed outcome, can only result in prolonged and self-destructive futility. For America, that could entail enduring conflict, fatigue, and conceivably even a demoralizing withdrawal to its pre-20th century isolationism.

The U.S. did not follow Brzezinski's advice. It alienated China by launching an economic war against it and pushed the Ukraine into a proxy-war against Russia that was supposed to destroy Russia's capabilities. In consequence Russia and China united their capabilities against their common new enemy, the United States of America. We will see during the next years if the consequences Brzezinski foretold for the U.S. under these circumstances will come into light.

It is interesting that the old rivals and political opponents Kissinger and Brzezinski have late in their lives come to the same conclusions.

As Stephen Roach in his take on Kissinger's visit to China states:

For several years, Kissinger has expressed great concern over the worrisome state of the US-China relationship. As far back as late 2019, he warned that that the United States and China were already in the “foothills of a new cold war.” Given the trajectory of conflict escalation in the ensuing four years, there is a new urgency to his concerns. In the Chinese readout of this week’s meeting with [Defense Minister] Li Shangfu, Kissinger is reported to have said. “Neither the United States nor China can afford to treat the other as an adversary.  If the two countries go to war, it will not lead to any meaningful results for the two peoples.”

Opposition to the U.S. bi-partisan policy of economic warfare against China is now also coming from the bigwigs of the U.S. economy:

Leaders of the largest US chipmakers told Biden officials this week that the administration should study the impact of restrictions on exports to China and pause before implementing new ones, according to people familiar with their discussions.

During meetings in Washington on Monday, Intel Corp.’s Pat Gelsinger, Nvidia Corp.’s Jensen Huang and Qualcomm Inc.’s Cristiano Amon warned that export controls risk harming US leadership of the industry. The Biden officials listened to the presentations but didn’t make any commitments, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the talks were private.

Economic logic provides that the U.S. (and European) economy would be better off by avoiding a conflict with Russia and China. But, as Micheal Hudson explains, this now gets overwritten by national security preferences which have remarkable conseqences:

Instead of isolating Russia and China and making them dependent on U.S. economic control, U.S. unipolar diplomacy has isolated itself and its NATO satellites from the rest of the world – the Global Majority that is growing while NATO economies are rushing ahead along their Road to Deindustrialization. The remarkable thing is that while NATO warns of the “risk” of trade with Russia and China, it does not see its loss of industrial viability and economic sovereignty to the United States as a risk.

This is not what the “economic interpretation of history” would have forecast. Governments are expected to support their economy’s leading business interests. So we are brought back to the question of whether economic factors will determine the shape of world trade, investment and diplomacy. Is it really possible to create a set of post-economic NATO economies whose members will come to look much like the rapidly depopulating and de-industrializing Baltic states and post-Soviet Ukraine?

This would be a strange kind of “national security” indeed. In economic terms it seems that the U.S. and European strategy of self-isolation from the rest of the world is so massive and far-reaching an error that its effects are the equivalent of a world war.

The question is really why the U.S. is doing this harm to itself instead of following Brzezinski's and Kissinger's advice. As Yves Smith says in her preface to Hudson's piece, it is a quite bizarre spectacle:

One of the subthemes of the latest offering from Michael Hudson on the bizarre spectacle of the US escalating against China is puzzlement that the West is not operating in its best interest. Lambert has been chewing over this conundrum too.

Perhaps it’s that they really do believe their propaganda, and still don’t recognize that the military and economic clout of the US/EU bloc on a relative basis isn’t anywhere near substantial enough for them to push the rest of the world around. But you think their self-delusion would have started to crack with the failure in their efforts to pressure many countries, such as India and South Africa, to side with the US and condemn Russia’s actions in Ukraine, and now with the supposedly superior US/NATO war machine not performing too well.

Another possibility is the so-called Iron Law of Institutions, that individuals and interests are operating to maximize their own position, with little/no concern to the impact on the system.

I have come to the conclusion that the main actors in this game, the Bindens, Blinkens, Sullivans and their bipartisan supporters, are driven by a blind ideology that has dismissed or replaced global realities with wishful thinking.

The failure of their sanctions against Russia should have demonstrated to them that the real word is by far not the one in which they believe to be living. They however are now repeating their errors by waging a similar war against China.

It will not end well for the people they are supposed to lead.

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The Economics of the US MIC in 7 and a half minutes ….
Jeffrey Sachs Interivew – The Global Balance of Power Shift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4V0PWeX3jA

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 23 2023 6:11 utc | 101

Re: Posted by: rk | Jul 22 2023 17:56 utc | 14

The “logic” is the master-slave logic. US does anything it wants. Look at the newsthis evening: “Three cluster shells from MLRS were fired at the village of Zhuravlevka (Belgorod). As well as 21 artillery shells – Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov” or “Donetsk, Petrovsky district of the capital of the DPR shelled with cluster shells”
Logic? Just because. The paralyzed Russia can’t move a finger. No response to the second bridge attack. At first bomb on bridge they simulated something for about 2-3 days. Now only complaining on telegram. Getting people used to the new normal so that no one becomes angry when Minsk 3 happens.

Hang on a minute. Whenever I bring these sort of issues up around here I’m told Russia will be marching to Lviv and the Polish border – and there is NOTHING to stop them doing so!
How can these two things possibly be true?!?!?

Posted by: Julian | Jul 23 2023 6:17 utc | 102

Posted by: Julian | Jul 23 2023 6:17 utc | 101
AFU shooting some shells over border to Belgorod tells you pretty much nothing about capabilities of AFU or RU. It only tells that AFU has launchers in range that can shoot something to Belgorod, and those can be over 50km range in case of Himars or Atacms (which is basically a copy of Tochka-U).
Can an army still make war crimes and kill news reporters even IF it is losing? Sure it can. And in fact, wonder if anyone remembers what’s going on in Donbass, AFU started simply shelling static city structures due to the fact that it lost majority of artillery radars and could no longer do counter-artillery duels, so they simply shot at some other non-protected soft targets they could hit without them.
Meanwhile, AFU news media says that AFU is running out of soldiers. Lvov military commissioner said that 80 % of conscripts in Ukraine are forcibly hunted down by even breaking into private properties.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 23 2023 6:25 utc | 103

Madrid Summit: NATO Goes Global
Showdown with China started long before the Vilnius Summit …
Joe build on Trump’s trade anger with Beijing and designed a Super MAGA concept. Biden quickly reacted to the challenge to America’s global power when Germany’s chancellor Angela Merkel pushed through the new China Trade proposal in December 2020 … during Joe’s Blitzkrieg across Europe in 2021, the EU states chickened out. This gave America the opportunity to use the Ukraine war as a cover to destroy the economic might of the European Union. NATO as the wrecking ball with the Bucharest Nine as the battering ram within the organisation.
Disbelief and betrayal: Europe reacts to Biden’s Afghanistan ’miscalculation’
Taiwan was a long time on the agenda.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 23 2023 7:46 utc | 104

Maybe a way to look at western 21th century behaviour is that with the war on terror the security complex started to dominate everything and they reduced our way of looking at the world to theirs: as a game of achieving military dominance.

Posted by: tuyzentfloot | Jul 23 2023 7:56 utc | 105

100-year-old Henny Kissinger went to China for what reason? It’s not about US debt, not about the trade war, not even about Taiwan.
In this thread, we find out what Kissinger and Xi discussed behind closed doors, something that will affect us all.
The biggest threat to the world is not China, but $31.4 trillion US debt.US bonds price will crash inevitably and nuke many countries’ economies. Hundreds of millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in pensions will disappear. Why wouldn’t Kissinger ask China to help?
When Xi Jinping started his 1st term, he was advised that the Chinese economy couldn’t withstand the US bonds crash. China’s deleveraging campaign was launched in 2013. It sent the two largest real estate developers to bankruptcy in 2021.
Did Xi make a deadly mistake? During my first visit in 2018, everyone in China was in a state of euphoria.
Businesses borrowed like crazy to expand. Housing prices were sky-high. Jack Ma was further expanding his empire by giving young Chinese free loans. It was a disaster waiting to happen.
By popping its own financial and real estate bubbles, in a controlled manner, the Chinese government defused an economic time bomb. But Western experts say Xi is driving China into the brink of collapse, right?
Here’s a gorgeous 100 square meters condo with 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms for 1.6 million RMB.
But I digress. Back to Kissenger.
If a 100-year-old man is going to go on a plane for 14 hours, he’ll need a medical team along with him. Kissenger jeopardized his health to travel to China for what reason?
It’s got to be something about his own legacy. China has spent the past decade insulating itself from the inevitable US bonds crash.
It won’t be as enthusiastic about saving the US as in 2008.
The US economy is near its end. The only exit is war.
Kissinger travelled to Beijing to discuss the possibility of war. Kissinger’s trip to Beijing has only one purpose – to discuss how to minimize damage when (not if) a war breaks out between China and the US.
I hate being so doom and gloom. But here is a Chinese phrase – 危机
Whenever danger lurks, opportunity awaits.
https://twitter.com/KeaweWong/status/1682888616354406401

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 23 2023 8:07 utc | 106

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 22 2023 17:24 utc | 3
How do people still admire Xi after praising a war criminal like Kissinger?
Anyone who understands diplomacy.Diplomacy is the ability to intercede with Satan on behalf of everyday people.
What Xi has proven is that he is easily capable of that.
But then again, Xi already proved that three times over with the lat three Khazarian shaitans that showed up to beg at his door.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2023 8:07 utc | 107

I have come to the conclusion that the main actors in this game, the Bindens, Blinkens, Sullivans and their bipartisan supporters, are driven by a blind ideology that has dismissed or replaced global realities with wishful thinking.

I don’t think they are blinded by irrational attachment to their ideology.
Rather, it seems to me that they are fighting against reality because they need to roll back policies that have been implemented since the 80s and that led to the enormous transformation of the USA from being the largest creditor nation of the world to being the largest debtor nation of the world in just 30 years.
This happened because USA governmental leadership from the 80s to the turn of the century gave preponderance to the project of its economic elites over and above geopolitical considerations. This dominance of the needs of American oligarchs mostly consisted of outsourcing the working classes role in the accumulation of capital to nations with lower cost of labour, thus leading to USA de-industrialization, shrinking of the middle classes, and increaing economic inequality, though the really crucial outcome of these oligarch-centred USA governmental policies was the rapid development of China as well as many other nations.
Now USA governmental leadership understand that that was a huge mistake so they need to switch from privileging the needs of the economic elite to giving preponderance to geopolitical factors, thus taking decisions that seem to deny important aspects of economic reality and causing USA oligarchs to appeal to USA governmental elites to slow down the rolling back of previous policies.
If the switch from preponderance of economic factor to preponderance of geopolitical factors fail to save USA hegemony then USA governmental elites will need to focus on rebuilding America as an economic powerhouse again while the world changes from USA hegemony to some other arrangement, perhaps multipolarity, perhaps just Asian hegemony.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 23 2023 8:25 utc | 108

b`s conclusio about the politicans like Nuland, Blinken etc is true. They are in fact phsychopaths or sociopaths, and both types of man are somewhat mentally handicapped and insane. So they are simply not able to oversee all the consequences for the state, the people, and the wholw thing at all. One may say, they are dumb, but that is false; they re indeed very good in manipulating people or create satanistic plans of evil to reach their goals. To become rich, powerfull and to be admired; but they can`t simply see what the results will be on the long run. In their brain is no connection for that. All they know about politics is the relativly simple ideology of the neocons.Simple enough for them to understand, but not the real thing.
Their masters are the real bunch of criminals. It is well known and hundreds of good articles were written about the real thing behind all the political theater: the financial system, the fiat money and the masters running the thing. This system needs an endless and increasing amount of economical and thus financial growth, what is simply impossible to achieve on the long run.
Today, “the West” e.g., $, € and Co. are in deep trouble because they reached the border of “normal” growth. The Masters has to find new grazing grounds to perpetuate their system. Unfortunately for them, their plan for Russia failed in a catastropic manner and now they are desperately fight for survival, but actually, they have no plan B. The rapid decline of the $ as reserve currency is yet behind some curtains, but the asian states dumping there government bonds at a pace of one billion per day. To keep that as a secret, the european states are forced to buy that, blackmailed by U.S.. But how long can that swindle can go on? Not a single year.
Additionally, a crazy bunch of billionaires try to transform all western societys in a “woke”, communism-style and uprooted ones. The WEF & Co are the units running this approach. This was originally conceived earlier in the last century, assuming that “the West” has managed to establish full controll of the whole planet (new world order). The plan was/is the reduction of the aunts (normal people) and to establish a new top-down society worldwide. That plan failed due the lack of controll the whole world; instead, there is an alternative formed by BRICS+ . But once kicked off, they just can`t stop that game and the outcome is a rapid decline of some western states due insane and crazy things the governments and NGOs are doing. Take for example Germany: overwhelmed by dumb migrants, deindustrialized by even dumber “green” measures like shut down nuclear plants but ramp up coal-based plants, a broken education system,
NGO-payed “Klima-Kleber” (“activists glueing themselves on streets and airports to hinder the traffic) … and so on. A road to hell.
Unable to alter their behavior and their failing plans to rule the world, the masters of money will finally be defeated.
( please be so gentle and pardon my english, it is not my natural language)

Posted by: ableman | Jul 23 2023 9:25 utc | 109

The logic is that they will destroy Russia and scare everyone back in line. The west isn’t going to shrug off a defeat and accept being put out of business. It’s a slow steady process and Ukraine is just the first round.

Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 23 2023 9:43 utc | 110

Posted by: paddy | Jul 23 2023 0:41 utc | 77
When I was younger in the 70s, I learned some ‘new’ term which struck me: “budget prescriber”.
One had to identify people who had big budgets under their pen and elaborate sophisticated schemes to reach out to them and eventually ‘convince’ them to spend their budgets on “our” things.
These budgets were mostly public budgets, but not only.
Of course part of money extracted from public budgets had somehow to go back to “budget prescribers” minus “our” profit cut.
That is why you need off-shore companies and tax-havens.
Virtuous circles … merry go round.
You never have enough of it.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 23 2023 11:24 utc | 111

@Matthew | Jul 22 2023 19:53 utc | 44

His comment on the US military was that much of it is window dressing. Military spending is meant to support the military industrial complex, not to be successful on the battlefield.

The war is not meant to be won It is meant to be continuous

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 23 2023 11:54 utc | 112

Amid the doom of the ukrainian steppes and the beggars to the Chinese court the main story is about to happen in Africa. Gadaffi’s revenge! The many countries with their massed resources are rushing to be shareholders in the New Africa bank ; that bypasses the IMF/WB/Swift mafiosi. Macron is begging to be invited , Nuland has already gatecrashed there and I expect Yellen and Kissinger will follow – as long as Xi withholds permission for them to partake and guarantees the technology to the Africans – this is where it ends.
What about Crimea and Odessa and the Black Sea? Some interesting reading here:
“ Today, as tension ratchets up between Russia and NATO, the echoes of history reverberate across these tumultuous waters. ”
https://ddgeopolitics.substack.com/p/eastern-storms-shaping-the-geopolitical
I don’t think that old land and sea will be available for settlement as the exodus starts from the Palestine. The few hundreds of extra US military arriving in Syria and the African States are going to die. Spectacularly. Bombed to shit. They will be used to effect a general mobilisation in the West as the last ditch attempt at keeping some Old Pirates and Murderers holding onto some of their illegal wealth. A fortress Europe with a wall to keep us IN not anyone OUT.
If you have children teenagers to 30 year olds in Europe , now is the time to get them to plan to lbs able to leave quickly to some parts where they won’t be conscripted. Asylum seeking in Africa/Asia/South America… heck even China and Russia ! Because the demons will burn every single thing down when they have to admit not just another perennial defeat but a complete end of their history.
Rejoice!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 23 2023 12:11 utc | 113

I am reading Hudson’t “The Collapse of Antiquity” right now, and he has a brief paragraph about the Thucydides trap theory that I think is very relevant here, and may help us to elucidate the logic behind US wars against Russia and China. First, here is the full quote:

The “Thucydides trap” theory recently in vogue trivializes this conflict [the Peloponnesian War] as one simply of geopolitical rivalry, depicting the War as resulting from Spartan jealousy of Athens as a rising rival. But the conflict was domestic as much as foreign, because it was fundamentally about democratic attempts to limit oligarchic wealth. There was no commercial rivalry between Sparta and Athens, because Sparta was not a commercial economy. The conflict was between oligarchic and democratic power and the alliances resulting from domestic class antagonisms. This conflict existed within both Athenian and Spartan society, not merely between the two.

Hudson’s point is insightful because the same dynamic is seen under the hood in contemporary imperialist conflict.
After the 1791-1804 revolution in Haiti, “Haitianization” (being overthrown and conquered by “an inferior race”) became the terrifying paranoia of ruling elites throughout the Americas. This led to an intensification of repression and continous aggression against Haiti. In 1917, the Bolshevik Revolution and the formation of the Soviet Union became the new object of elite paranoia, which was renewed and reinvigorated. It is important to remember the anti-imperialist character of Bolshevik Revolution, and how it inspired and aided similar movements throughout the world.
In Tsarist Russia, as in Haiti, the local ruling elite reached out to foreign elites for help in repressing the revolting masses. The result in Russia was an invasion by 14 nations and a civil war that killed millions of people. A similar process took place in China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Algeria, and pretty much anywhere else around the globe that the masses began to revolt.
And on the other side, the ruling oligarchies in the US and Europe (as in Sparta) saw in these revolts a threat that, if not stamped out overseas would eventually threaten their own position at home. Revolutions are infectious. And so it was also in their own interest to crush and isolate revolutionary movements throughout the world, so as to prevent the successful formation of an example of civilizational gain beyond their own model.
In the US wars against Russia and China, we see a similar dynamic. Although I am not aware of oligarchies in China reaching out to the US for help, this certainly happens in Russia. But more importantly, the effect at home is of greatest concern to US and Europe. China is a successful example of civilizational advance that overcomes and supersedes the Western Liberal model. This is a threat Western oligarchies cannot tolerate, because it lights the road for their own demise.
Going back to b’s conclusion:

I have come to the conclusion that the main actors in this game, the Bindens, Blinkens, Sullivans and their bipartisan supporters, are driven by a blind ideology that has dismissed or replaced global realities with wishful thinking.

Perhaps it is not a blind idelogy; perhaps they (or rather, their handlers) see clearly the historical threat that materializes before them, and they are determined to destroy it.

Posted by: Palm & Needle | Jul 23 2023 12:19 utc | 114

My apologies all, I forgot to close a bold tag.. I will make use of the Preview next time.

Posted by: Palm & Needle | Jul 23 2023 12:20 utc | 115

” ….. the question is really why the U.S. is doing this harm to itself …..?”
The U.S. is led by people who do not spend their weekends shopping at Walmart and Home Depot, or popping down to the new Dollar Store, just built on the outskirts of their decaying town, on Thursday morning to buy cheap toothpaste. Just about every item is marked: “Made in China.”

Posted by: Eclair | Jul 23 2023 12:22 utc | 116

Good piece. Consider-
1. It appears that current UK PM Rishi Sunak and ruling elite he represents are under the illusion it is circa 1922, the height of the British Empire [See- The British Empire Was Much Worse Than You Realize-The world’s biggest colonial power prided itself on being a liberal democracy. Was this part of the problem?
By Sunil Khilnani March 28, 2022; https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/04/04/the-british-empire-was-much-worse-than-you-realize-caroline-elkinss-legacy-of-violence%5D. Their offspring, which began as a colonial project in North American and is now known as the ‘United States of America’. Similar to their UK counterparts, Joe Biden and the ruling elite he represents apparently believe it is circa Sept. 2, 1945, the official end of WWII, from which the US emerged as the world’s leading economic/military power.
2. In his piece, Pepe Escobar posits the ‘Biden combo – is itching to do a deal with Russia’. If this is indeed the case, the Pentagon has a strange way of showing their newfound desire to improve relations. One Russian journalist was killed and others injured following an artillery strike on the Zaporozhye Region by Ukrainian army using US-supplied cluster munitions [See- https://www.rt.com/russia/580132-kiev-practice-terror-journalist-death/%5D.
3. Should the US be foolish enough to instigate a conflict in the Taiwan Strait, they will face an alliance of China-Russia-DPRK, all armed with hypersonic missiles and nuclear warheads. Despite ‘investing’ $ trillions of taxpayer money in the military, the Pentagon has not won a war since 1945. US taxpayers have spent more than $21 trillion on post-911 militarization [See- https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/%5D, the result- strategic debacles in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen and now Ukraine. Considering the profound level of military incompetence over the last 8 decades [See- http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/%5D, should we expect the Pentagon to fare any better against a peer-competitor such as China?

Posted by: Paul | Jul 23 2023 12:44 utc | 117

If selling more weapons was the dominant motivation, that would be much better for peace than just a bizarre self destruction ideology of delusion.
Biden is reported to have said that he expected to be long dead by now (2020). Netanyahu just got pacemaker for his weak heart. I think the world needs to transition away from being a heartbeat away from oblivion.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 23 2023 12:46 utc | 118

… should we expect the Pentagon to fare any better against a peer-competitor such as China?
Before passing from the living to the realm of dead … Joe hopes on a final tie v. China … M.A.D. 😡 assured more or less.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 23 2023 13:04 utc | 119

Perhaps it’s because the question being asked in D.C. corridors of power isn’t “what’s good for America?”, but the question that’s shaped U.S. foreign policy for three decades (and maybe much longer):
What’s good for Israel?
Look at who’s making the decisions in the Biden administration, and the truth is obvious.

Posted by: expat-joe | Jul 23 2023 13:12 utc | 120

Quadruple Coverage Talking Point(s)
2 tale-spinners both with 2 diametric political eschatologies = 1 Variegated Butt-Covering Pure Bologna Sandwich.
The possibilities are endless.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jul 23 2023 13:21 utc | 121

An excellent piece and thanks for pointing me to the Escobar article.

Posted by: William Verick | Jul 23 2023 13:23 utc | 122

expat-joe | Jul 23 2023 13:12 utc | 119
***Look at who’s making the decisions in the Biden administration, and the truth is obvious.***
But nobody, anywhere, is supposed to notice….
Now it becomes borderline illegal merely to do so.
But everyone is not supposed to notice that, either.
Even when the perpetrators boast of what they’ve contrived…

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 23 2023 13:37 utc | 123

The Bindens, Blinkens, Sullivans and their bipartisan supporters are living in an ideological bubble in which all they do is reinforce their own ideological depravity. No one outside their inner circle can reach them, so we will all have to face the consequences of their ignorance and hatred.

Posted by: GioCon | Jul 23 2023 13:42 utc | 124

American foreign policy at this time has no connection to economic considerations within the West. The belief is that the West has already developed “enough” such that it does not need economic growth or and increase in well-beling. The ruling elites believe that the world needs a “one-world government” dominated by the Washington-based elite networks (extending into all ruling classes in the West). Through constant and fanatical belligerence the US has managed to create an international authoritarian control over the West by uniting elites. All elites depend on control of the MSM by the intel community who now seem to dictate the same approach to all stories in all major outlets throughout the West thus controlling the populations. No matter the outrageous lies social scientists who work for the Deep State know that the vast majority will believe any tissue of lies they (the ruling elites) choose to repeat often enough. Complete control of subject populations is the goal not economic well-being–this has been the case for decades.
Mao said about power coming out of a barrel of a gun of an armed drone we can rest assured that the people in the gun making and gun firing business are running things because they hold the most powerful guns. Financiers and their ilk, through insider trading (I believe it is rampant) and other scams do very well in this system since they avoid prosecution by allying with the people holding guns at the end of the chain of power. Other segments of the elites all revolve around the people who control weaponry since they are the ultimate arbiter of all power.
For things to change culture must change. At this point most people want to believe lies since believing lies is easier than any version of truth we can define. When it is no longer easy to believe the lies because increasing numbers of intelligent people don’t believe the official narrative we will see change, i.e., a government that is actually interested in the well-being of human beings.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jul 23 2023 13:53 utc | 125

Exile | Jul 23 2023 4:38 utc | 96–
Actually, it’s much less. Even though Yachats is a tourist destination, parking has always been scant in what can be called the business district. Our problem is zoning and national forest lands; zoning because there’s not enough designated for multifamily housing which is what’s most needed. If I could build 10,000 apartment units, they’d almost immediately have a 99% occupancy rate. That would satisfy current demand.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 23 2023 14:45 utc | 126

I have come to the conclusion that the main actors in this game, the Bindens, Blinkens, Sullivans and their bipartisan supporters, are driven by a blind ideology that has dismissed or replaced global realities with wishful thinking.
It will not end well for the people they are supposed to lead.
Posted by b on July 22, 2023 at 17:12 UTC | Permalink
The ideology was never tested against a peer adversary.
Military or economic.
The ideology hollowed out the US production capacity.
Is destroying the US and the wests social and education capacity.
And the last point.
It will not end well for the people they are supposed to lead.
There is no consideration for them or their views.
Posted by b on July 22, 2023 at 17:12 UTC | Permalink

Posted by: jpc | Jul 23 2023 16:12 utc | 127

please be so gentle and pardon my english, it is not my natural language)
Posted by: ableman | Jul 23 2023 9:25 utc | 109
Great observations Ableman!

Posted by: jpc | Jul 23 2023 16:20 utc | 128

@Palm & Needle | Jul 23 2023 12:19 utc | 114
Yoy quote Michael Hudson.
“In 1917, the Bolshevik Revolution and the formation of the Soviet Union became the new object of elite paranoia, which was renewed and reinvigorated.”
Remember Hudson is a leftist and they all are in denial about the fact that the bolshevik revolution was organised by the anglosaxon empires elites.
And likewise they decisively supported the communist side
of China Cuba Nicaragua and Angola
Antony Sutton doesnt mention all of them but he argued that it was about hegelian tactics where communists are anti-paired with fascists for divisive geopolitics.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 23 2023 16:52 utc | 129

As so often is the case “late in their lives came to…” is, just as often “late…far too late to any effect”.
Reminds me of Robert McNamara looking for absolution on college campuses…sorry charlie, it only matters when it matters.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 23 2023 17:10 utc | 130

Bryzinski and Kissinger you’re started the trilateral commission.
Taking the advice of these two collectivists has been america’s undoing.

Posted by: Eric_Thatcher | Jul 23 2023 19:20 utc | 131

Politely, politicians should live in fear of public wrath.
Posted by: Bill Miner | Jul 22 2023 17:40 utc | 8
Yep. But in fact they live comfortably knowing the public will not trouble them, no matter what. The commonest response from John Doe when you suggest he bugs his elected rep being ‘it won’t do any good’ and on that assumption he NEVER has anything to do with his rep. His unrepresentative ‘rep’.
And there is a sort of ‘cut out’ between the rep and the voter: the Party. The rep claims he has no power: only the Party.
The voter has cheated himself in the first place by acceding to this canard at voting time and voting according to ‘Party’ and now cheats himself a second time by accepting the excuse.
And cheats himself a third time by deciding never to do anything.
Disregard the ‘Party’ nonsense and disregard the misnomer of ‘voting someone in’. The ‘one’ who you vote for should be YOU. You vote yourself in, notionally. Your thoughts, attitudes, ideas, policies, wishes are what you are trying to ‘vote in’ and you simply elect a dumb robot representative of yourself to carry them into the chambers of power.
And you therefore monitor the devil while he’s there. Continually advise, instruct and correct.
Is kinda how it should go.
But the population has no understanding nor training nor advice in how to be a citizen in a democracy. None. Not by anyone.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 23 2023 23:30 utc | 132

Russia seems so desperate to have good relationship with her perennial enemy Anglo-Saxon race headed by evil england. That explains her inferiority complex and all reaction to western provocation. Always ready to negotiate rather than finish the job at hand. RUSSIA’SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON KILLING ENGLAND AS A NATION STATE OF PARASITES. BUT Russia is Expert in turning almost won war into a quagmire as in Syria in 2016, Donbass in 2015, Ukraine in 2022.
Posted by: Sam | Jul 22 2023 17:56 utc | 15
A wonderful example of why no sense and no progress is ever made in all this welter or words through the generations.
Who/what is ‘Russia’ ? The oligarchs? The elected? The people? Some of the people? All of the above?
And the same with ‘England’ and ‘Anglo-Saxon’.
This is truly the language of the whole discussion through generations and millions of books.
A mishmash. So confusedly intermingled you can’t disentangle what they’re talking about.
A ‘nation’ one minute is actually one lunatic powerful leader and the next minute all the people must die because of what he is/was/does because suddenly ‘the nation’ is them and they must bear the brunt.
Like here: ‘evil England’. So all the men women and kids in England must bear some kind of retribution because they are ‘evil England’ is implicit in this, isn’t it?
We need at all times clear distinction of what we’re talking about when we talk ‘nations’ : the land, the people, the government, the rich manipulators, the current power holders…. and so on.
It’s a simple case of definition of terms.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 23 2023 23:41 utc | 133

A system whose primary goal is profit will be both cruel and insane.
Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | Jul 22 2023 18:14 utc | 20
It will. For sure. Certain fact.
What is it – economics 101? ‘The rational investor will always seek to maximise profit’.
This is the guiding mantra of the United States of America.
Not ‘In god we trust’, nor ‘bring your needy..’ nor anything human at all. Just: ‘maximise your profit’.
THAT is the ‘conspiracy of evil’. Simply that.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 23 2023 23:45 utc | 134

The USA will continue to escalate until it takes down the Russian bear. Yet, in this escalation the USA and its NATO vassals are playing a very high stakes game which could very well take them down instead.
Posted by: young | Jul 22 2023 18:59 utc | 33
But that’s NOT ‘the USA’. It is the machinations and lunacies of a small bunch of mega crazies. The sleeping millions put them there and have left them there to do as they please. But that doesn’t mean the sleeping millions will always sleep and once they wake up all bets are off: a new paradigm.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 23 2023 23:49 utc | 135

“That a number of senior people in the US State Department, including Blinken and Victoria Nuland, have Eastern European Jewish backgrounds or other Eastern European diaspora backgrounds may also be a major factor driving their decision-making and policies”
Oddly enough Michael Hudson made exactly that point in an article around a year ago. He said something along the lines of the major drivers of the war being some ethnic/racial resentment against the Russian people and the Tsar. As if the average Russian had anything to do with the Pale of Settlement. Nevertheless, let’s not pretend that Hudson is completely ignorant of the actual reasons and the startling overrepresention of a certain group in the Ukrainian and US governments.

Posted by: jim | Jul 24 2023 0:14 utc | 136

Nope, complete fantasy I’m afraid..It’s unfortunate you simply have no idea how money works. I’m utterly speechless you are still so invested in this myth. My guess is the word ” deficit ” lives rent free in your head. Money and trade is quite simply beyond your grasp. You desperately need to go back to the drawing board.
Strong currency good, trade surplus good, balanced budget good is about all you have regardless of the context. Propaganda owns you and it is a crying shame that you simply can’t see it. A travesty infact.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 23 2023 0:43 utc | 80
Yeah, well I’m pretty uneducated, too. How about giving us a quick primer if you know it all? It’d be very welcome.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 24 2023 0:36 utc | 137

Brzezinski in 1968 said anti-war protesters should be locked up, their leaders “liquidated:”
“In 1968, during the mass protests against the Vietnam War, he wrote in the New Republic that students should be prevented from protesting by locking them up, adding that if the protests’ “leadership cannot be physically liquidated, it can at least be expelled from the country.””…
May 29, 2017, “Zbigniew Brzezinski, architect of the catastrophe in Afghanistan, dead at 89,” wsws.org

Posted by: susan mullen | Jul 24 2023 2:27 utc | 138

War has its own dynamic. This war may be the last act on the American mind. Blinken, maybe unconscious functionary extreme — Nuland deeply insane, Sullivan exemplar of b’s reference to Yves Smith’s Law of Institutions — their ideology talking points, driven now to continue to do what they’ve been doing. Corporate rule. A country full of citizens, many who are poor and suffering, the majority more comfortable and complacent, they wondering only at increasing barbarism of U.S. society, those who know how to think and do real research censored—those without education unable to access historical knowledge necessary to make real sense of today so call the marriage of corporate and govt. “socialism” of Democratic party. Real socialism hidden behind this Amurican veil; the war pushes on, economics for the less priviledged get worse, they murmur about the govt’s military budget, but there are always enemies to fight. The economic interest of the MIC although a driver of the U.S. economy (along with real estate and finances I think Michael Hudson wrote) is not sufficient explanation for this war – nor the emergence of a new world economic order not based on the dollar, a reality obscured to a majority of U.S. unworried citizens, many of whom still show blue and yellow.
I am trying to understand why they let this war go on, why this very vile war goes on The idea that some people are motivated more by desire and some more by fear makes sense to me. To Cynic #28: You are saying desire is the driver, but I think it’s fear. A lot of people understand that the U.S. govt. uses the WOKE stuff in the U.S.to virtue-signal to U.S. citizens U.S. global moral leadership. Liberal N.Y. Times readers and a number of those in the social groups that are chosen buy this, although the world doesn’t, but it’s not a war driver imo. The ‘river of no return’ that runs always in the unconscious/conscious national psyche is hatred of “communism” the great Evil, that thing that can make people into mindless, heartless automatoms, (while the number of bots seems to grow exponentially – see Dabby Dabs re. Stacey Gruff smearing RFK, Jr. U.S. Congressional hearing on censorship) the thing that threatened to take over the world one country falls and there it goes one after another it once tried to get Amurica… Why do everyday people I know keep saying and writing today communism is dead? Something I’ll never see, but maybe I’ll see some real socialism. Re.: “’Socialism with African Characteristics.’” (Gruff #27)). Why did my own poor brother, a Marine who died from myelodysplastic syndrome from Camp LeJeune water believe we support the war on Yemen “because they’re communists?” The Russian Federation is a capitalist state. I think b’s got it right for the neocons. Maybe ideology can do it. The American people? The war in Ukraine, the war on Russia – they don’t care or they think it’s business as usual, the same as it ever was, a war, a bogeyman. It’s unreal and it’s real, the highest stage of capitalism. Bevin’s (#16) right also. Ideology’s got a base. Let the people believe they’ve got something, but give them nothing so they can’t rise. Keep the war going.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 25 2023 0:31 utc | 139

wow…

Posted by: charlesthethird | Jul 27 2023 8:31 utc | 140