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July 30, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-181

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Not rambo or a kamikaze attack but a good tank commander and his crew demonstrating how tanks should be used. – b.
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Lord Bebo @MyLordBebo – 14:21 UTC · Jul 29, 2023

🚨MUST SEE: “Rambo, he doesn’t give a f#ck”
-> Russian Kamikaze tank confronts a whole Ukrainian convoy with 2 tanks, 4 Kazak APCs and 4 Marder IFVs.
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I am not saying no acts occurred., only that I know who is spear-heading the attack and for what aim.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 31 2023 1:12 utc | 95
Let me start by saying that, generally, despite my absolute disgust with some of your philosophies (and approaches to defending them), I can pretty much guarantee that you and I would get along fine as neighbors and maybe even buddies of some sort in real life. I like that you are open in the way you express yourself even thought I hate some of your ideas. You seem genuine and I, well, genuinely respect that.
But please. Acts occurred? It wasn’t necessarily even the acts I was referring to! It was the system-wide coverup and distraction campaign engaged by the highest levels of the church – AND – the system-wide hypocrisy involved when attempting to use their enormous power and influence to punish pre-marital sex and homosexuality, in addition to making abortions (of any kind) criminal. I refer you to the (TRULY punk) Sinead O’Connor.
The Catholic Church carries with it MUCH more power than any Talmudic conspiracy star chamber ever could. It’s demonstrable (if I were a barking carnival preacher I’d even capitalize DEMON there!) and pervasive. And you allege outside agents provocateur infiltrating your beloved CHURCH at the highest levels (or just the lowest, if the priesthood can be considered “low”) are the reason for the evil?
In that sense, I’m actually ashamed of you. No false Internet emotions needed. Whad Da Fuq man? The fact that you or your congregation cannot trust a situation where an adult male is present with a child of either sex is pretty telling!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 31 2023 5:02 utc | 101

@ NemesisCalling | Jul 31 2023 0:08 utc | 83
That “life-affirming gift that allows a man and wife to feel belonging in the other and to feel the joy of God radiating down upon them” also occurs in all animals, so it is rather Nature in action. The goal is not procreation which the earlier bacterial cloning also did) but gene mixing within species – more variety – Nature’s fun.
Where are we Homo sapiens different from other animals?
Not in sex.
Not even in intellect as we are soon to find out through AI, but crows, octopi etc. are clever too.
We do have a “secret” (=unknown, unused) portal to the next “Dimension”, called the Soul.
As long as greed for sex, power, money and meme infested mind interfere (=our individual ego mixes) that Door stays blocked, even unknown. Loudspeakers blare out the Universal Symphony of Unity.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 31 2023 5:09 utc | 102

Tom, you are listening with the wrong ear.
Posted by: Antonym | Jul 31 2023 5:55 utc | 112
Quite possibly, honestly, if that was indeed a question.
But P.S. yeah I did read your link and it made sense.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 31 2023 6:06 utc | 103

After listening to the hour and a half of Pepe Escobar and Danny Haiphong my brain has been churning over a number of things covered and one is the coming BRICS+ meeting and what might be said/done about the finance alternative. Pepe was quite adamant that no specific money was going to be announced but only the clearing of BRICS+ members trade in the nations local currencies which is the first step toward creating a common “trade-between-nations” level money for clearing trade imbalances.
The point I want to make here is that the intention is to base any new money created on gold or breadbasket of stuff. From what I am reading both China and Russia now support their currencies exchange with gold. With that in mind, read the following from a ZH piece

Translated from the original Zoltanese:
Banks have been using rehypothecation for decades fearlessly with approval of global governments who in turn promised them Gold would never be used as a settlement medium—i.e. have a practical use — again.
Stated as a bank trader once said: Gold? We can short it until the cows come home. Why? Because not only is it unconsumed/indestructible, it isn’t used for anything anymore. Its price is how much more USD money we have to pay you to delay delivery. It’s a collectible, a pet rock, and nothing else. Short it. Government can’t let it back in as an MOE [Medium Of Exchange]. If they did it would destroy them. If we go under, they go under.
Zoltan is telling us indirectly what Banks and Nations fear about this Gold-as-settlement-medium concept.

That is why I keep writing at MoA about how significant I think that this BRICS+ summit has the potential of being relative to precipitating a Western financial crisis. The China/Russia axis may not be entirely ready for the crisis they are setting off but crashing “early ” is likely another holding on strategy of dying empire…..its called FUD Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt and has been used successfully by many over the centuries…..sigh. Luckily we have the China/Russia axis that has good memories of God Of Mammon abuse.
It will be a crazy period because both sides will claim they own the world, through financial derivatives of a rules based order or by legal edict of sovereign nations.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2023 6:33 utc | 104

Another comment I want to make after listening to Pepe Escobar talk about all the global groupings of organizations is that these organizations were created by empire for regional control reasons or created by nations trying to group against empire.
And the UN is one of those organizations created by empire for global control and I expect it will be remodeled or discarded by the new multipolar world and many of the groupings like BRICS+ will be subsumed within the new organizations that are (re)born after the civilization war is won.
I also see a whole realignment of national borders all over the world where empire drew arbitrary lines to separate historical ethnic groupings……opportunity for serious healing and human growth

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2023 6:48 utc | 105

@gT | Jul 30 2023 19:51 utc | 56
I dont think Hudson meant to say the jews invented it. The important thing Hudson raises is what was being practised. Forgiveness of debt.
The way I look at things it seems to me the normal behaviour of merchants is to go for win-win. When this is not the case they are most likely partners with a powerseeking oligarchy.
Or they have to get along with bands of criminals.
For their own survival they may have to join them. It wouldnt be enough to arrange intermarriages because on next business trip they would encounter another band etc.
I believe it is a permanent feature among those who seek to make profits from trade in wide areas. That they have to be part of something bigger. More organised. The mere problem of the transfer of wealth will be a huge difficulty. Later the templars used documents instead of carrying gold. But they needed forts and the sword. So how did less well protected merchants sort things out? Did they very early on have some secret arrangement with certificates and secret collaborators along the routes?
I think the way banking and usury has evolved is related to the practical difficulties of safe trade, necessitating a network of people that raises costs.
The phoenicians were traders with the sword. Yet they apparently collaborated with bands of criminals.
I interpret that to indicate that they joined the robbers rather than having to fight them. Much later Sir Francis Drake and his band of anglosaxon pirates in the service of the English monarchy, may have made the merchants collaborating with spain realise that England might offer better protection.
When the venetian oligarchy was transplanted to England this would have been part of the analysis. Had the spanish armada won the venetians might have opted to transplant to Spain.
(Venetian intel agent Contarini had already prepared for that eventuality by launching/controlling the jesuites but also the Calvinists)
If the mod removes this coment I wont be too upset 🙂

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 31 2023 7:17 utc | 106

India’s financial messaging system can go global July 30, 2023 at 09:28 PM.
The secured messaging system for international payments is both cheaper and technically more capable than SWIFT

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/indias-financial-messaging-system-can-go-global/article67139420.ece

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 31 2023 8:43 utc | 107

Canadian Patriot Press yarns up the perfidious nature of Albion.

In this episode of How to Kill a Sacred Cow, host Jay Henehan speaks to Matt Ehret about the true causes of America’s internal rot by going back to the British imperial stay behinds who remained in the USA after the revolution of 1776 in order to destroy the USA from within. The leading figure of this poisonous operation was none other than Aaron Burr whose story is told at length in this program.
Follow How to Kill a Sacred Cow here: howtokillasacredcow.com

It needs a dedicated hour and seventeen minutes. It will reward your efort but enter in an alert state of mind and leave the grog aside 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 31 2023 8:54 utc | 108

karlof1 # 4:38 utc | 101
RT says:…

Russia will back ECOWAS as that’s Africans solving African problems. And we know why the pot’s being stirred.

Nah, ECOWAS is an Anglo French instrument of empire and colonial domination entrapping a number of African States. The Niger situation might split ECOWAS if they pump their behavior control chest too hard.
Time will tell with this escapade but you can bet the Anglos will be furious if all that Cecil Rhoades shenanigans is sundered under the foot of Putin who just 24 hours ago went to extraordinary lengths to woo the African new world order. I would like to see that.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 31 2023 9:33 utc | 109

South Africa will be jumping ship soon.
That really going to hurt the west.
Game over.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 31 2023 9:47 utc | 110

What makes me think so ?
When you see a new name trending on google search in geo politics, its worth taking a look especially now……
Julius Malema — President of eff..
Economic Freedom Fighters.
Juju they call him.
I wish him all the luck in the world.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 31 2023 10:01 utc | 111

CHINA / DIPLOMACY
France opposes ‘decoupling’ after economic talks with China
Beijing welcomes clarification on ‘de-risking,’ hopes Paris to be stabilizer for EU ties
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202307/1295337.shtml

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 31 2023 10:20 utc | 112

Mark2 @ 113
I forgot to add a small detail…
They say he will be the next President of South Africa.
In case we didnt notice theres a lot of black face’s in this world. A ‘diaspara’ he clearly must have their attention along with worldwide suporters of the mult-polar world to trend like that.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 31 2023 10:27 utc | 113

Time will tell with this escapade but you can bet the Anglos will be furious if all that Cecil Rhoades shenanigans is sundered under the foot of Putin who just 24 hours ago went to extraordinary lengths to woo the African new world order. I would like to see that.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 31 2023 9:33 utc | 111
There is an onging battle to access the rich resources of African continent ..
Whether a new form of colonisation or respectful cooperation as in BRI we wait and see. African people could certainly do with a break and receive some of wealth – which due to corruption most do not ..I’ve experience In both Southern and Northern Africa abd there is huge potential …

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 31 2023 10:37 utc | 114

The world rejoiced with the end of apartheid, but before S Africa was fully on its feet it was knocked down again by the British bankinging sector, very discreetly.
British banking sector the bigest money laundere’s in the world.

Posted by: Matk2 | Jul 31 2023 10:53 utc | 115

@Chris Cosmos | Jul 30 2023 16:43 utc | 28
All the talk of other dimensions I believe is due to the nonreal appearance of such sightings.
This could be due to it being optical illusions.
Such as reflections or other virtual images.
If the observer were to see it through a window there might be some light source projecting an image as a reflex from the window
Like somebody playing with a laser pointer.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 31 2023 11:40 utc | 116

@ b
@ Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 31 2023 4:38 utc | 101
@ barflies
Maybe he is waiting to gather all the outcomes, but I’m having difficulty understanding why b, hasn’t yet weighed in on the Africa-Russia summit’s in St Petersburg. When 90% African states were represented, against the wishes of the Collective Wasters. Blinken, the main string pullers in the WH and his Kaganite mafia bosses are in meltdown. Macron the little wooden puppet with ever increasing nose length has been buzzing around demanding to be allowed to keep the francophone African conquests for the French Aristo Industrial Old Worlders , whilst selling out the French in France to the neoliberal World Bankers that he is a direct employee of.
I have attempted to highlight the issue of Africa being the Main Game , and Ukraine as the antipasti, on these boards for some time now – yet it seems that the bar on the shop appears flummoxed by it as a subject worthy of attention!
That is not incomprehensible , as most of the barflies are obvious North Atlantic , Anglo European background- but it does worry me that it may be misconstrued as keeping the focus and understanding only from the Eurocentric/Western Civilisation perspective.
If that is so , at BEST that may be just revealing some ingrained ‘old prejudices’ ; at WORST, I worry that this place may be being policed to keep it’s ‘Overton Window’ as managed as any other compromised media platforms!
The silence 🤫 is deafening!
Anyway as I stated last week at the emergence onto the world stage of the New African Star , the new ‘Castro’ type, military uninformed (beats Elenskies green wannabe garb and with genuine battlefield experiences in the Sub Saharan and Sahel regions. Young, bright and able to talk without autocues, looking directly into the eyes of Putin, Lavrov and the Russian high command. Demanding a Nuclear Reactor and Roads in West Africa.
And discussing the Niger coup situation.
Ecowas is largely a Western controlled front I’d say. A French invasion under false pretexts of being invited by the now ousted government along with US miltary and other western PMC’s seems likely.
There is NO WAY that the SCO will allow that to happen.
The BRICS will fall under the pressure and the Indians, South Africans and Brazilians will be finally pushed of the Wall they sit on as Humpty Dumpties alongside that inveterate double dealer Erdogan.
It’s time to shit or get off the bucket. That applies to the grand geopolitical players as much as us supposed well informed and reasonable barflies and all stops between!
Ibrahim Traoré is the name that will become as famous as Mandela , Castro and Gandhi – as the man who finally oversaw the ejection of the gangsters and western imperial occupation and exploitation of sub Saharan Africa finally after centuries.
Will the inevitable dismissal by trolls spouting that is just some jungle bunny offering mangoes for nuclear power and having China loading Africa up with debt be the crowing that is scripted? ‘Hey that’s our backyard jungle and game reserve and slave camp, it’s our uranium, gold, diamonds and everything! keep your hands off it!’
Here is a link to that head to head between the two nations – does it look inconsequential?
‘Mahamat M Adam Bechir
@BlazianP
Jul 29
[ENGLISH]
Ibrahim Traoré head to head with Putin. 🇧🇫 #RussiaAfricaSummit’
What says the bar?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 31 2023 11:46 utc | 117

Well done dunegroanin @ 119
Very informative comment.
There is so much happening only just below the surface and its nearly all posative regarding the multipolar fare world.
The more countrys that stand up against the unipolor world the more will have confidence to do like wise.
Mexico ? Turky may well yet jump. I hope. Thanks for your post.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 31 2023 12:13 utc | 118

“All the UFO nonsense going on in the US.
What does the bar think?
Just deflection from the crushing realities facing the US especially the Biden administration.
Posted by: jpc | Jul 30 2023 14:16 utc | 1”
Apparently Werner Von Braun, when dying of cancer in the 1970s reported that at some point the US would make a fake claim of UFOs and alien invasion in order to militarize space with nuclear and anti-satellite weaponry. Fear of an external alien force would ‘unifying’ internationally. This would have been very difficult to achieve back in those days, but now with advanced digital fakery and so many people basically living in a fantasy world, this strategy could gain some legs. However, everything the US is doing now is failing and the UFO BS just seems desperate. Most people can see through this for the distraction that it is.
Some video here: https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/watching-this-space

Posted by: Paulymx | Jul 31 2023 13:29 utc | 119

I wonder if Sweden makes it in before NATO crumbles

🇭🇺❌🇸🇪🏁 The Hungarian Parliament was unable to approve Sweden’s entry into NATO due to the boycott of the ruling parties.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/75333

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 31 2023 14:13 utc | 120

Science Fiction (new version of non god-bothering, biblical nonsense to enslave peoples minds) as opposed to fairytale fiction (high brow Alice in wonderland/ wizards and dragons) has been promulgated by the propaganda academics for well over a century and quarter.
Jules Verne, HG Wells etc.
Aliens as invaders are not NEW.
Let’s not be railroaded by escapist nonsense to keep our Masters Narratives perpetuated.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 31 2023 14:22 utc | 121

@78bevin. “He who desires but acts not, breeds pestilence.
Who is that? Wow just wow. Can u imagine all of us getting Rae Dawn Chonged in our personal quests for fire?
That was good. Bravo.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 31 2023 14:44 utc | 122

Russia will back ECOWAS as that’s Africans solving African problems. And we know why the pot’s being stirred.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 31 2023 4:38 utc | 101

That would be so transparently hypocritical (analogous to “NATO’s facilitating attacks by Ukraine’s military is ‘Europeans solving European problems’.”) as to make me question the attribution.

Posted by: David Levin | Jul 31 2023 14:53 utc | 123

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 31 2023 13:56 utc | 194 (Ukraine thread)
A scientist who worked at Paris Island on tickborne diseases stated that it was his belief that Lyme Disease had escaped from that lab.
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I believe you mean Plum Island, the closest town to which is Lyme, Connecticut. I have Lyme Disease so read up on all this years ago when it hit hard, but I don’t recall many details (Lyme side effect!). There’s a whole book on it called Lab 257…* Of course, it has been widely debunked but the book did offer several facts as I recall among them:
1. Plum Island is a military biolab.
2. Several of the early scientists there were Op Paperclip ex-Nazis who had worked on delivering tick-born pathogens to Russia. One plan had been to kill all the cattle. The plan was rejected because the famine that would cause in Russia would make it too hard to run the country assuming they were victorious. In any case:
3. They worked on tick-born pathogens.
4. The rumor is that they combined a bacterial (borrelia) and a viral (swine flu).
5. There were stories about a roof collapse or leak in the 70’s a year or so after which children in Lyme got seriously ill one summer. No proven connection but if ticks got onto birds – which they are known to do as they nest in trees or bushes to sleep at night – then a hop to Lyme only 10 miles away, though not proven, is entirely feasible.
It took an inordinately long time (about a decade) to uncover what later was named ‘borrelia’ even though an Indian lab technician could have spotted it in a $10.00 test. (We don’t test that way; we only test for what a doctor prescribes, never just look and see what is there; much more profitable.) Borrelia is a sophisticated spirochete, but a typical Lyme Disease transmission via tick contains about 10-50 different pathogens of which borrelia is just one.
An interesting factoid about Lyme: for years – perhaps even now for all I know – they printed out maps for doctors showing the estimated spread of the disease from Lyme year by year using the theory that ticks only travel a few yards in their lives (which is true if they don’t attach to a victim). People outside those shaded areas weren’t tested for Lyme Disease because ‘the science’ so many people now worship told them it was ‘scientifically impossible’ for them to have been infected with it. Those calculations completely ignored how far deer, mice, cats, dogs and songbirds travel, with of course the latter crossing entire continents and more, making those maps worse than ridiculous. And so for decades tests were not done in California until recently because of those criminally stupid maps. (That said, Inxi labs there give the most accurate results; that’s where I had my test done even though I lived on East Coast of Canada where the tests are useless except at veterinarians for some reason, though not back then.)
As with all such issues nowadays, opinions are divided between those who claim this is all innocent stupidity and those who project a more sinister motivation. There’s much more than I can put in a short comment of course, but one thing is for sure: there have been many lies and omissions in the Lyme story including a record of decades of misdiagnosis and misinformation, no end of ineffective treatments which do more harm than the disease (just like with covid in the US), control of regulations and policy by many shady insurance policy boards and so on. Mixing Intelligence, Military and Medicine is an abomination which civilized nations should abhor. Though probably none of them do.
In any case, my default opinion – which is only a guess of course – is that Lyme Disease escaped accidentally from the Plum Island biolab but the government spent decades denying and obfuscating research about it to deflect blame because of which tens of millions have suffered from this and, sort of opposite to covid, died from it though the autopsies read things like cancer, stroke, MS or whatever since it induces auto-immune system disorders which exacerbate no end of other conditions, some fatally so.
So it’s yet another example of government corruption messing with peoples’ lives in unfortunate ways. The developed-world West is broken; and so it goes…
* Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government’s Secret Germ Laboratory. More has been uncovered since it was written.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 31 2023 15:10 utc | 124

Aliens as invaders are not NEW.
Let’s not be railroaded by escapist nonsense to keep our Masters Narratives perpetuated.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 31 2023 14:22 utc | 123
Thank you for your posts, they are illuminating.
I think the religion being sold in commercial science fiction is the religion of progress, which has vast commercial application, as we can see today.
Alistair Crooke has another broadside out on the Ukraine fandango:
The ‘Scandal Implosion’ Stratagem: Will It Work for Ukraine?

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 31 2023 15:15 utc | 125

DunGroanin @123, And here I thought that the reptilians were already in control. What do I know?

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 31 2023 19:22 utc | 126

@petergrfstrm | Jul 31 2023 7:17 utc | 108
This is now most embarrassing, I remember exactly in which book I read that the Jews adopted their religion from their newly acquired lands, but when I go to archive.org the book available there is not the same one I remember, its too sanitized. So I go back to the website where I first found the book on and in the comments from 2018 I can find the exact link to the book. Only when I click on that link archive.org gives me
The item is not available due to issues with the item’s content.
Sucks. But anyway, using Hudson’s analysis, in ancient societies the rulers found out that while farmers grew their wealth steadily over the years, there were always droughts or some natural calamities which caused the farmers hardship. Then the farmers had to go borrow money from the money lenders in order to survive that year, meaning to pay back the money with the next years harvest. Only when the next year is a bad year as well then the farmers literally end up having to sell themselves into slavery to survive, as well as handing their farms over to the money lenders. So over time too much wealth gets accumulated into too few hands and the society suffers too much from the income disparities. Basically the money lenders get say 7% per year on their lending irrespective of the circumstances while the farmers income can only grow by like 5% per year in good years and in bad years the farmers have no income. So over time the money lenders will always get richer while the farmers will always get poorer. Therefore a debt jubilee is necessary every now and then to rectify matters else the society dies off.
What Hudson doesn’t mention is that in those times the rulers valued the farmers and were disgusted with the money lenders. The farmers grew crops which fed the populace which kept the rulers strong and in power. The farmers also provided much needed soldiers with which to defend the realm. While the farmers were an asset, the money lenders on the other hand were of zero benefit to the realm, they couldn’t even be used as soldiers because off their spaghetti arms. So a debt jubilee every now and then benefited the farmers and strengthened the realm, it only negatively impacted the money lenders. Basically you could kill off the money lenders without damaging the realm while killing off the farmers could cause the demise of the realm. The money lenders were also always potential spies for neighbouring groups so pruning them every 20 years or so definitely strengthened the realm.
Compare that the situation today where the money lenders are all supposedly too big to fail. Plato apparently said something to the effect that the worst possible ruler a country can have is a merchant who has gained enough wealth to become ruler, but I can’t find the exact quote right now.

Posted by: gT | Jul 31 2023 19:53 utc | 127

Thank you, Scorpion, I did mean Plum Island. I was told by a friend (who comes from Canada) that a doctor who had worked on the disease said later that he thought that it had escaped from the lab. And, as you say, Lyme, CT is close by. He told me the name of the doctor, but he also mentioned that google, and other search engines, had scrubbed the references, so I didn’t even try to find it, since I can’t remember his name anyway.
It’s all in the spin, isn’t it? The anthrax attacks were hyped for about a month, causing widespread panic and fear in the population, but when it came out that it wasn’t Iraq, the whole propaganda campaign was dropped, and people don’t even remember it now.
9-11, of course, was not as scary to the rest of America, confined as it was to two places, but the hype on that continues, and no one forgets.
Lyme Disease is pretty much ignored, except by people who have it, but the covid fear campaign was world-wide, and continues to this day, as if pandemics can last for years. Since when? Since 2021.
No wonder the US thinks it can win in Ukraine purely with PR.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 31 2023 19:55 utc | 128

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 30 2023 17:42 utc | 33
Good article. I suggest that in order to get something going like the people in the article, no matter the ideological context, the most important factor is a certain type of charismatic cult leader, e.g. Charlie Manson, Jim Jones.
I don’t understand where the animus against the Frankfurter Schule comes from. Most people who speak of “Cultural Marxism” (on the right) have no idea what they are talking about when they refer to the Frankfurter Schule. And no, regardless whether one sees oneself on the left or the right (whatever this may mean nowadays), you can not lump it in with Postmodernism (which is a much too broad concept anyway).

Posted by: Cherrycoke | Jul 31 2023 20:09 utc | 129

Posted by: bevin | Jul 30 2023 19:32 utc | 52
Well said, as usual.

Posted by: Cherrycoke | Jul 31 2023 20:24 utc | 130

Posted by: Cherrycoke | Jul 31 2023 20:09 utc | 131
Respectfully disagree. The Frankfurt school was funded by wealthy capitalists to revise Marxism. Adorno and Horkheimer in the midst of WW2 saw Hitler as the natural outcome of the enlightenment and the French Revolution.
Post war the rats all migrated to US universities and went even crazier, the most prolific being Marcuse. From these academic bases we had a further left looking departure from not just Marxism but science itself culminating in Rorty’s declaration that in fact there is no objective reality!
From no objective reality, we get the racial subjectivism of crits, recently rebranded woke and dumbed down to the most vicious form of racial, gender, sexuality tribalism.
The amalgam with the ever popular frued is important too, hence the ridiculous adolescent obsession with sex in this milieu.
Frankfurt, post mods, crits: today’s woke and the liquidation of all genuine left politics today. “Leftists” ready for nuclear war with Ukraine ffs!
It’s hard to believe anyone would defend these intellectual witches, but I’m into freedom of conscience, so be my guest.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 31 2023 20:26 utc | 131

Good one for you here, Cherry Coke. We’re not as original as we all think.
“The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed, the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually slaves of some defunct economist.”
John Maynard Keynes

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 31 2023 20:31 utc | 132

Mali and Burkina Faso made a joint statement announcing that any foreign intervention in Niger would equate a declaration of war on those states by the interventionist.
They also threatened to withdraw from ECOWAS (EU equivalent for Africa, controlled by the usual suspects).
https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1686120743858311168

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 31 2023 21:16 utc | 133

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 31 2023 20:26 utc | 133
Adorno and Horkheimer in “Die Dialektik der Aufklärung” basically tried to save the enlightenment/reason from itself. They also tried to make sense of National Socialism. Certainly, from a radical Marxist point of view, their work may be seen as watering down Marxism. I do not have a radical Marxist point of view.
Whatever the merits of your criticsm, however, I object to you calling these people “rats”. This is the language the Reichspropagandaministerium used for Jewish intellectuals.
‘Frankfurt, post mods, crits: today’s woke and the liquidation of all genuine left politics today. “Leftists” ready for nuclear war with Ukraine ffs!’
Agreed, except for “Frankfurt” (and presumably you meant “Russia” instead of “Ukraine”).

Posted by: Cherrycoke | Jul 31 2023 21:39 utc | 134

@Ahenobarbus | Jul 31 2023 20:31 utc | 134
Thanks for reminding of that famous little aside by Keynes.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 31 2023 21:52 utc | 135

Hard liners on the up in US Admin …
Caitlin Johnstone: Biden Promotes Hardliners
Virulent Russia hawk Victoria Nuland and virulent China hawk Charles Q. Brown are being elevated to lofty positions by the White House.
The Biden administration looks set to become even more warlike if you can imagine that, with virulent Russia hawk Victoria Nuland and virulent China hawk Charles Q. Brown now being elevated to lofty positions by the White House.
Nuland, the wife of alpha neocon Robert Kagan, has been named acting deputy secretary of state by President Joe Biden, at least until a new deputy secretary has been named. This places her at second-in-command within the State Department, right behind Tony Blinken.’
[…] In a 2015 Consortium News article headlined “The Mess That Nuland Made,” the late Robert Parry singled out Nuland as the primary architect of the 2014 regime change operation in Ukraine, which, as Aaron Maté explained last year, paved the way to the war we’re seeing there today. Hopefully her position winds up being temporary.
In other news, the Senate Arms Services Committee has voted to confirm Biden’s selection of Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr. as the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, replacing Mark Milley. A full senate vote will now take place on whether to confirm Brown — currently the Air Force Chief of Staff — for the nation’s highest military office.’
[,,,] Back in May, Moon of Alabama flagged Brown’s nomination in an article which also noted that several advocates of military restraint had been resigning from their positions within the administration, including Wendy Sherman, the deputy secretary of state replaced by Nuland.
It’s too soon to draw any firm conclusions, but to see voices of restraint stepping down and proponents of escalation stepping up could be a bad portent of things to come.’
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/07/28/caitlin-johnstone-biden-promotes-hardliners/

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 31 2023 22:20 utc | 136

@Cherrycoke | Jul 31 2023 21:39 utc | 136
The Frankfurt School has made huge contributions in many areas ….
I have huge respect for them … and have been influenced by some of the School’s thinkers in many areas of thought.
Respect is the word that comes to mind.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 31 2023 22:26 utc | 137

Gonzalo Lira on the run, sort of, more weirdness, maybe he’s pitching a movie idea, briefer than the elevator pitch, the twitter pitch – Jason Bourne meets Adrian Monk. Trying for crowdfunding?
https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1686140766685384704
If I was on the run I’d keep my mouth shut and throw my phone in the trash.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 31 2023 23:38 utc | 138

Here yah go, does look worse for wear and tear:
I’m About To Cross The Border
When GWBush was running for pres people asked “how dumb is too dumb?”. Watching Lira here I ask, “how smart is too smart?”.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 1 2023 0:00 utc | 139

Peru, Bolivia update
It’s been 7 months since US backed the coup in Peru. Castillo is still in prison. Support for him has grown but the movement is much deeper than one person and, while widespread throughout the country, appears to be strongest and most developed in the south near Bolivia. Puno (borders Peru on Lake Titicaca) and Cusco (Machu Pichu) are Peru’s version of Donbass- natives have been there a long long time and they plan on staying. Recently they initiated a 3rd occupation of Lima, currently ongoing. Support for imperial class is diminishing to single digits, paralyzing the country. It appears that a Bolivian style movement is forming but not yet able to take power.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Protests-Against-Boluarte-Continue-in-Peru-20230729-0001.html
https://orinocotribune.com/peru-chronicle-of-the-third-takeover-of-lima/
Meanwhile, Bolivia continues to solidify power in the MAS based government, while a split is emerging between Arce and Morales. President Arce is a Marxist economist and, like Evo, is shunning the West. Under him Bolivia is developing their lithium resources and forming trade with non-imperial countries like Iran which is scaring the pants off the aristocrats, including the pro-Israel Argentina lobby who are screaming about this.
https://orinocotribune.com/us-allies-on-alert-after-lithium-rich-bolivia-inks-defense-deal-with-iran/
bottom line, Bolivia’s government is still strong but risks destruction from the fracture between Arce and Morales. My guess is that Morales support is solid and hopefully, Arce will acknowledge that and let Evo run for president in 2025. The right wing is still alive and plotting. Both factions of the MAS know that.
https://orinocotribune.com/bolivia-catastrophic-standoff-and-dual-power/

Posted by: migueljose | Aug 1 2023 0:22 utc | 140

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 31 2023 4:38 utc | 101
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 1 2023 2:48 utc | 156 (from 404 high losses thread)
Russia–Africa Summit transcript Big changes going on.

Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 1 2023 4:30 utc | 142

RE: UFOs
David Grursch failed the oubliette test.
He wasn’t thrown in a hole somewhere and forgotten. He didn’t have his character assassinated. He didn’t shoot himself twice in the head or crash a small airplane or die in a single vehicle accident. And the MSM is reporting on it.
So, I’m dubious. On the other hand, the allegations are that we recovered alien tech from crashed UFOs and the F-35 does crash a lot. Maybe the F-35 is using some advanced alien falling out of the sky technology.
But on a more serious note, it is revealing that the distraction de jour is a conspiracy theory. Apparently, TPTB think that a tale of decades of government cover ups is going to be well recieved by the proles. To be expected when they have negative credibility.

Posted by: team10tim | Aug 1 2023 5:26 utc | 143

Peru, Bolivia update
It’s been 7 months since US backed the coup in Peru. Castillo is still in prison. Support for him has grown but the movement is much deeper than one person and, while widespread throughout the country, appears to be strongest and most developed in the south near Bolivia. Puno (borders Peru on Lake Titicaca) and Cusco (Machu Pichu) are Peru’s version of Donbass- natives have been there a long long time and they plan on staying. Recently they initiated a 3rd occupation of Lima, currently ongoing. Support for imperial class is diminishing to single digits, paralyzing the country. It appears that a Bolivian style movement is forming but not yet able to take power.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Protests-Against-Boluarte-Continue-in-Peru-20230729-0001.html
https://orinocotribune.com/peru-chronicle-of-the-third-takeover-of-lima/
Meanwhile, Bolivia continues to solidify power in the MAS based government, while a split is emerging between Arce and Morales. President Arce is a Marxist economist and, like Evo, is shunning the West. Under him Bolivia is developing their lithium resources and forming trade with non-imperial countries like Iran which is scaring the pants off the aristocrats, including the pro-Israel Argentina lobby who are screaming about this.
https://orinocotribune.com/us-allies-on-alert-after-lithium-rich-bolivia-inks-defense-deal-with-iran/
bottom line, Bolivia’s government is still strong but risks destruction from the fracture between Arce and Morales. My guess is that Morales support is solid and hopefully, Arce will acknowledge that and let Evo run for president in 2025. The right wing is still alive and plotting. Both factions of the MAS know that.
https://orinocotribune.com/bolivia-catastrophic-standoff-and-dual-power/

Posted by: migueljose | Aug 1 2023 13:15 utc | 144

I’m still on the rice export ban thing (I don’t even eat that much rice and when I do it’s basmati normally. And wild rice which is another thing altogether I’m surprised this article linked the two together, although maybe that’s why I’m not in the marketing department. I get mine from here and it is superb: https://nwcwildrice.ca/ There.)
So – more Canadian commentary on the ban of non-basmati rice exports from India. When I read this, I started to wonder if the monsoon problem with the rice crop was, in fact, more of an Uncle-Sam-boot-on-face problem.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/do-not-panic-buy-here-s-what-india-s-rice-ban-means-for-canada-1.6501124
For background, I referred to this 2020 article from Miller magazine. Some quotations:
https://millermagazine.com/blog/china-expands-its-reach-in-the-medium-grain-market-2-3837
“Historically, the United States has been the top medium and short grain exporter”
“Since emerging as the world’s largest medium and short grain exporter, though, China exports have reached vastly different markets, extending its geographic reach considerably.”

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 1 2023 13:15 utc | 145

This story REALLY angers me. I even sent this message to a couple of Youtube news channels with more than a million followers:
Hey Jimmy/Megyn/Tim! Great work. Check this story out. Please do a show on it.
https://basedunderground.com/2023/08/01/usda-must-end-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy-on-gmo-vaccines-in-organic-livestock-watchdog-group-says/
They are about to start putting the vaccines into produce, even organic meat. It must be exposed by people like you with a following for it to be stopped.

Well-meaning people like Roger Boyd on his substack can pontificate about how sad they are having to deal with ‘climate deniers’ (a loaded, ignorant and deliberately disrespectful term borrowed from tribal activists that resulted in my immediately unsubscribing without reading past the opening sentence) but meanwhile basic fixable things like this are ignored because everyone is too busy virtuously ‘saving the entire planet’ to deal with such smaller, more particular matters.
The single best way to ensure that pollution, including toxins in the food supply and farming methods, isn’t addressed is to keep harping on about ‘global climate change.’ It seems to be more over-arching, more important, more caring, more wise. But in fact it’s a huge bait and switch that fools most of the people, even very smart ones, most of the time. (My 2 cents, but this story makes me angry even though it’s not a fully detailed report!)
And of course it’s more. It’s an over-arching driving argument for global governance and since the multipolar leaders, Russia and China, both support this sort of push in UN and other organizations, and also support the increase in powers for the W.H.O. an unelected body about to trump national governments if a global health emergency is declared, it is a politically pernicious notion. Discussing it as only a scientific issue is either stupid or malicious.
Meanwhile, we wait for the Alien Invaders to be trotted out. Probably they have got their AI and holographic tech up to speed such that they can soon present convincing video footage showing interviews with Ambassadors from Advanced Intergalactic Civilizations urging us to join the planet together as one and eliminate cash money, or perhaps presenting as enemies (more likely) so that we have to join together as one and eliminate cash money.
Sorry. That meat article set me off! Will be transitioning to shopping 100% local soon, though am partial to the organic hamburger have been buying from the nearest Costco an hour away… very tasty….

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 1 2023 14:30 utc | 146

News of the day: Hungary won’t be ratifying Swedish Nato membership anytime soon.
Fidesz party boycotts the unofficial meeting held by the opposition re. membership. Hungarian parliament will be on vacation till September 25th.
And it’s possible Turkey won’t be ratifying it in October either, as they see no progress from EU or Sweden advancing their EU membership.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 1 2023 14:37 utc | 147

@Cherrycoke | Jul 31 2023 21:39 utc | 136
The Frankfurt School has made huge contributions in many areas ….
I have huge respect for them … and have been influenced by some of the School’s thinkers in many areas of thought.
Respect is the word that comes to mind.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 31 2023 22:26 utc | 137
Ok, Cherry. Who in the Frankfurt School do you have tremendous respect for? I’m interested now.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 1 2023 15:56 utc | 148

*-Speaking of “death stars”, what IS the size limitation for structures built in a vacuum (space)?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 31 2023 0:46 utc | 93 Tom Q with musings on Aliens.
La Bella Luna, Tom. The moon. You don’t have to look too far find a more prefect object in universe vis earth. It’s just too perfect to be a coincidence. The size, the shape, the distance, the tides, the, the, the…
Re Aliens themselves:
I’ve heard of a teevee show called “Ancient Aliens.” In it, they want you to believe that — yup you guessed it — you are one of them (aliens, that is). It heavily sources the Pyramids (must be Orion belt something), Stone henge, Mahabharata.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 1 2023 16:05 utc | 149

@ migueljose | Aug 1 2023 0:22 utc | 140
and etc.. obviously there is some malfunctioning of your system as your posts aren’t coming thru.. hopefully it gets resolved, as i’d like to read what you have to say.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Aug 1 2023 16:18 utc | 150

@Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 31 2023 0:46 utc | 93

*-Speaking of “death stars”, what IS the size limitation for structures built in a vacuum (space)?

Look up Chandrasekhar limit.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 1 2023 16:24 utc | 151

I’m wondering whether all this focus on electric cars, rechargeable battery factories, and recharging stations is because we’re fixated on individual transport. There is already a way to travel electrically. It’s called train, subway, tram, trolley bus. These forms of transport work, have been working for more than a century, and work without batteries.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 1 2023 17:35 utc | 152

@ Passerby | Aug 1 2023 17:35 utc | 152
Why yes indeed! And to think that the nearest electrified means of transport is only a piddling 50 miles away from me…

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2023 17:43 utc | 153

And to think that the nearest electrified means of transport is only a piddling 50 miles away from me…
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2023 17:43 utc | 153
If you live in the UK: Thank Thatcher for that.
If you live in the US: Thank General Motors for that.
If you do not live in UK or US: You lucky bastard.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 1 2023 18:04 utc | 154

@ Passerby | Aug 1 2023 18:04 utc | 154
Freakin’ DUHHHHHH. Now tell me how I can, on my own dime, construct an electrified mass transit system to meet your sanctimonious expectations. Otherwise kindly STFU…although I’m sure you won’t.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2023 18:41 utc | 155

addendum to previous:
It’s superbly ironic that my in-laws, who live in a developing country that shall remain nameless (hint: most heavily bombed country evaah) live within walking distance of an electrified high-speed rail line, whereas the nearest one to me in God’s Own Country, the US of A, is literally thousands of miles away.
As for the in-laws, well, if I can channel my neighbors: hit wuz thim durty chinks wut diddit.. Maybe I should pray for a Chinese invasion here?

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2023 19:46 utc | 156

From a recent ZH article about UFO’s, the last sentence:
Whenever the government tells you anything, just remember George Carlin’s first rule.
“I have certain rules I live by. My first rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me.”

https://tinyurl.com/2ymrwo9n

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 1 2023 19:54 utc | 157

Re: UFOs & Speculation

“As highly speculative accounts of possible doom from space began to take precedence in the 1960s, the accounts of the original contactees were being derided and dismissed, and increasingly they were portrayed as mystics who were trying to peddle some new kind of religion to the gullible.
“While corporate interests are attempting to tighten their grip on governments and policies to secure their power and wealth, disclosure of any kind at this time would have to be met with the same suspicion of a hidden agenda as the initial cover-ups of extraterrestrial visits and the subsequent disinformation campaign.
“As a result of this widespread disinformation, these days UFO researchers and enthusiasts are not just faced with derision
among the general public and the mainstream media, but with rampant speculation about the extraterrestrial presence from
within their own ranks as well.
“This volume, therefore, provides an indispensible approach to untangle the facts from the mass of speculation and disinformation about the extraterrestrial visitors. It shows how the information coming from the original contactees, confirmations from various sources and disciplines, and the application of logic and common sense, may help us separate the chaff from the wheat ourselves.
“It also gives some striking examples of this approach with regard to questions that have baffled researchers for decades, such as the ability of UFOs to appear and disappear at will, and the intentions of the visitors from space. It is hoped this will make it easier for readers to navigate their way through the current maze of theories and suppositions.
Gerard Aartsen
Before Disclosure: Dispelling the Fog of Speculation,
http://www.bgapublications.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Before-Disclosure.pdf

“A corrupt judge does not carefully search for the truth.”
Horace (65BC – 8BC), Satires, Book II
“Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, nor to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider.” Francis Bacon
“Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities — the political, the religious, the educational authorities — who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, informing — forming in our minds — their view of reality.”
Timothy Leary (1994) How to Operate Your Brain .

Posted by: Toby C | Aug 1 2023 20:27 utc | 158

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 1 2023 18:34 utc | 133
Thanks my friend your comment runs so true.
To malenkov… I guess “well darnit I spent a few hard earn bucks for running boards for me pickup”. I become from a safe driver to a menace on the roads. Gotcha
Anyways I bet you never drove after having a few drinks.
Fear of the unknown will drive you mad.

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Aug 1 2023 22:15 utc | 159

The prospect of ECOWAS armed intervention is unclear. The combined military might of ECOWAS is not much larger than that of one single member, Nigeria. Thus
1. For Nigeria, intervention is logistically simplicity itself, not surprisingly, it is a neighbor, Niger is kind of sandwiched between inhospitable regions of Sahara and Nigeria.
2. Communication with Nigeriens is easy for northern Nigerians, exactly same main ethnic groups.
But
3. If the intervention turns from triumph to morass, Nigeria will be most exposed.
3a. If the intervention is highly unpopular in Niger, Hausa speakers of Nigeria can be sympathetic.
3b. If law and order breaks down, Boko Haram and similar extremist groups will rise, and they operate across border (including Nigerian) anyway.
3c. Considering the location and ethic ties of Niger, participation of other ECOWAS members is bound to by symbolic, so any mishap will be blamed on Nigerian government, by Nigerian people. Compare with a morass created by “democratic” intervention in Haiti, far away from Brazil etc., and concerning people that, de facto, nobody cares about in Brazil etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 1 2023 22:46 utc | 160

https://tinyurl.com/22lzoh3l
ZH article about possible parallels upcoming between the period after the fall of the Roman Empire and what’s coming soon to the West.
Lessons From The Unraveling Of The Roman Empire: Simplification, Localization
Authored by Charles Hugh Smith via OfTwoMinds blog,
(Last few paragraphs:)

In other words, a churn of evolutionary adaptations can be expected. Just as there was no one post-Roman adaptation that worked equally well everywhere, we can expect there to be some adaptations of roughly equal success and many that are unsuccessful.
As individuals and households, we want to be located in successful adaptations that share our values and offer us agency, i.e. a say in public assemblies and the freedom to move and work as we see fit.
As I have outlined many times in the blog and in my books, locales that are highly dependent on long global supply chains and distant capital for their essentials will fare very poorly once those supply chains break and the capital dries up. Regions and locales that generate their own essentials (food, energy, metals, concrete, electronics, etc.), talent and capital are much more likely to generate enough resources to satisfy both local elites and the public.
As I explain in my book Self-Reliance, we who have lived in the past 75 years of expanding production and consumption of Everything have lost touch with both the natural world that sustains us and the social and practical skills needed to endure and prosper in an era in which the engines of centralized power and wealth (globalization and financialization) decay and collapse.
Some locales will choose to foster relocalization and individual agency. Others will cling on to failing models of authoritarian control and globalization / financialization.
Ironically, perhaps, the most successful regions will be prone to indulging in hubris and denial, just as the Roman elites, basking in their centuries of dominance, dismissed the “Barbarians” and clung to their delusions of grandeur even as their world fragmented around them.
Those locales left behind by globalization and financialization may well offer much better opportunities for successful adaptation, relocalization and individual / household agency.
It is human nature to find reasons to dismiss the storm clouds on the horizon. We look around and find solace in the apparent strength of our institutions and economy, while ignoring their sobering dependence on unsustainable hyper-globalization and hyper-financialization.
The fragmentation, simplification and localization of the post-Imperial era offers us lessons we ignore at our peril. It’s important to view these lessons not just as an academic abstraction but as a guide to your own decisions about what places are most conducive to your security and well-being. Not every locale will do equally well, and the culture of many places may not be a great match for your own values and goals. If you decide to move, sooner is better than later.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 2 2023 0:19 utc | 161

This is going to hurt

Ratings agency Fitch on Tuesday downgraded the U.S. government’s top credit rating to AA+ from AAA, citing an expected fiscal deterioration over the next three years as well as a high and growing general government debt burden.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2023 3:33 utc | 162

To all of you that have replied to me, thank you. I have been either intentionally banned or it happened on the software/routing level and I am unable to reply or post under my own name and/or IP address. I emailed b but have not heard back. In any case, cheers to everyone as I genuinely don’t personally dislike a soul in this bar even if I find some philosophies odious. If I don’t come back, fare thee well, and no hard feelings to the barkeep or any of the patrons.

Posted by: Ghost_of_Tom_Q | Aug 2 2023 3:44 utc | 163

Posted by: Ghost_of_Tom_Q | Aug 2 2023 3:44 utc | 163
Oh Ghost, please tell us what it looks like down there from beyond. Many’o dead haven’t been able to come back and tell us. 🙂
re La Bella Luna, I didn’t realize it when I wrote earlier: Happy full moon barflies, ok, ok, barfleas (TM, SB/PH) as well. It’s the most beautiful full moon too.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 2 2023 4:40 utc | 164

I have interesting housing data from Xinhuanet below but let me preface it with a shout out to Walt of China who use to comment here.
I want to discuss the concept of “stores of value” and peoples need for such.
Some people can’t get enough of this thing we call money to survive on but many do and even have surplus they don’t know what to do with and put under the mattress or in a bank. Others that have more of this money thing in surplus invest in housing for themselves and as an investment.
The investment in real estate usually consists of cash and a loan for whatever period at whatever interest rate. China seems to be similar but lets look at the quote now

Data from the Beike Research Institute shows that, in July, the average mortgage rate for first-time homebuyers in the country’s 100 major cities was at 3.9 percent, with the rate in first-tier cities remaining at a notably high level of 4.5 percent. The down payment ratio for first-time homebuyers in most first and second-tier cities is no less than 30 percent, the data shows.
According to business insiders, in Beijing, first-time home buyers are required to make a down payment of up to 35 percent and can expect a mortgage rate of around 4.75 percent.
“Dozens of core cities, including Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou, adopt a strict purchasing rule for people wanting a second house,” said Chen Wenjing, director of research at the China Index Academy, as the second-home down payment ratio can hit as high as 70 or 80 percent in large cities.

The down payment ratios, especially for second-home are not as high in the states but don’t have details. The management of this “store of value” concept that China is building for its people is fascinating and I expect very complex in its implementation and management as the article the quote came from goes into detail about
My question for Walt is how the folks in China view the “store of value’ issue and specifically with regard to real estate?
Also would be the linking of yuan to gold or breadbasket approach as discussed elsewhere?
What do other barflies think about how society provides “store of value” capability for all its citizens? Real estate and other investments are not as fungible as cash but should cash have any intrinsic “store of value” or is fiat ok?….not the lose value fiat but some sort of hold steady fiat….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2023 6:04 utc | 165

The “Moscow Times” is published in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. Two Moscow Times articles in which a former official is interviewed by the Moscow Times “on condition of anonymity”, a.k.a. please believe us, this time we’re not lying.
former U.S. official agreed to speak on condition of anonymity:
“Putin is the major block to all progress,” he said. “The U.S. administration has made at least one attempt to speak with the Kremlin but Putin himself refused.” For this reason, he argued, Washington “should begin reaching out to the anti-war Russian elite and begin making progress with them.” If there was support among the elite for another leader, he said, “ousting Putin would not be impossible.” .
former European Union official told The Moscow Times on condition of anonymity:
Gutteres also attempted to persuade the EU to fulfill at least some of the terms of the memorandum with Russia — but Brussels refused, the former EU official told The Moscow Times. “The EU said ‘no way.’ Because in terms of sanctions, it would be a step backward. Our principles are more important to us than what will happen with Ukrainian grain,” the source said, citing internal EU discussions.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 2 2023 9:33 utc | 166

“Why Pakistan is failing” https://www.dawn.com/news/1767992/why-pakistan-is-failing
A small power elite has dominated Pakistan’s political scene under both civilian and military rule. the finance minister has refrained from broadening the tax net to real estate, retail business and big landlords. Cross party.
Nothing to do with India or any other neighbor.
Keeping India as boogeyman is the Pakistani army’s perpetual business model, with Islam used as the fake red flag. Elite civilians went along for that ride.

Posted by: Antonym | Aug 2 2023 10:53 utc | 167

The “Truckers Protest” was not a strike nor did it make much sense. But that doesn’t mean that it excuses the proto totalitarian reaction of Canada’s Establishement.
“Trudeau’s and Freeland’s Fear and Loathing of Canada’s Continuing Freedom Convoy
The Ingredients of a Serial Epidemic of Crime Fraud in the Case of Four Coutts Protesters Kept in Jail Without Any Conviction for Over 500 Days on the Bogus Charge That They Conspired to Kill Cops”
by ANTHONY JAMES HALL
“The Coutts fiasco is emblematic of the political capture of Canada’s now-mostly-dysfunctional criminal justice system. The latest “pre-trial” phase of this major scandal in- the-making, unfolded in late July in a Lethbridge Alberta courthouse. There is a process sporadically underway based on the government’s accusation that four men at the Coutts protest conspired to murder members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police…”
Hall’s analysis is on substack.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 2 2023 13:29 utc | 168

Good to see Antonym making sense. Maybe the trick for him to consider is to leave China and the Communist Party alone and stick to matters he understands.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 2 2023 13:32 utc | 169

@ Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2023 6:04 utc | 165
There is just so much wrong with that.
To begin: Something that you use and need is not an “investment”.
Then: Buying 2nd home as investment – Blackrock would agree with you. How about building homes as source of income.
China is just mimicking western finance, which is valid to a point.
How about all loans (liens) are held by and interest is paid to the government (tax payers / citizens) and banks originate and service loans.
No private entity can own real property – it belongs to the king.
see: Michael Hudson.

Posted by: jared | Aug 2 2023 13:52 utc | 170

Now tell me how I can, on my own dime, construct an electrified mass transit system…
@ malenkov | Aug 1 2023 18:41 utc | 155
Our electrified mass transit system, called BART here in the Bay, is plummeting in a “doom loop” — a trajectory common to all mass transit around here, but BART’s is really horrendous, for folks who thought mass transit might work out. I get in trouble because I mention problems for which I offer no ready solution. That’s how reality works: hard problems arise, with no solution in sight. Honesty remains the best policy, I continue to believe against all contravening evidence.
Optimists waiting for their hero “Political Will” to turn things around — the sunny-siders — are the most insidious denialists of all, imho. Status-quo anchor-points.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 2 2023 14:47 utc | 171

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2023 6:04 utc | 165
Interesting info about buying a house in China.
Buying a house is the best investment, provided you live in it.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 2 2023 14:48 utc | 172

@ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 2 2023 14:47 utc | 171
Here in the NYC area, many of us rely heavily on mass transit.
It’s a measure of civilization/development.
But I was commuting with an immigrant from Belarus for a little while – he said of the system: This is horrible, I thought I was from a poor country, but our mass transportation is much better than this (pieces fall off from time to time).

Posted by: jared | Aug 2 2023 15:05 utc | 173