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July 2, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-156

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From that non-disclosure document by Biden

The Transparency Plans will ensure that the public will have access to the maximum amount of information while continuing to protect against identifiable harms to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, and the conduct of foreign relations under the standards of the Act.

A rules based government and the opposite of transparent

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 2 2023 14:18 utc | 1

via sitrepworld.info :

The integration of the former “socialist” Bloc into global capitalism has been the moment of triumph for the new model and the foundation to the claim of “unipolarity”, although there have been three important exceptions to this integration, the significance of which has now become obvious. First, Russia retained partially some of the mechanisms and the degree of independence of the Soviet state, born out of an anti-capitalist, socialist revolution and, with them, a nuclear arsenal which ensures strategic parity with the US. Second, in China, despite the extensive use of foreign capital and very large concessions to capitalism, the regime has retained the degree of independence it has inherited from the 1949 Revolution. China remains a non – capitalist country with a planned economy, albeit not directed by administrative but by market methods and is refusing to succumb to the financial globalization, that is to the global power of the international Finance. Third, the massive Western military interventions in the greater Middle East have transformed a large part of it into a zone of ruins but they were unable to suppress the forces of resistance in the region and integrate it smoothly into the West.
Today, more than forty years after Reagan’s and Thatcher’s triumphs, more than thirty years after the Soviet collapse and the establishment of the EU, the dominant global economic model has not achieved any of the basic aims it set itself and its theoreticians believed they would be achieved because of its unhindered implementation. On the contrary it has exacerbated a series of serious problems and crises, some of them even threatening the very survival of humanity and has brought us on the verge of a new World War: …..

https://uwidata.com/30824-geopolitics-war-climate-and-economy-the-need-for-a-global-alternative-economic-and-social-paradigm/
A dispassionate critique of the current world economic model as it has developed in the past century or so…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 14:28 utc | 2

Worst than we thought… Forbes needs to hire a copy editor or something. Pathetic.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 14:34 utc | 3

Twitter and French riots?
Twitter is limiting unverified users to viewing only 600 tweets per days. Why?
Elon Musk says this is a temporary measure, because of “data scraping & system manipulation”.

Elon Musk @elonmusk on Twitter, July 1, 2023
To address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation, we’ve applied the following temporary limits:
– Verified accounts are limited to reading 6000 posts/day
– Unverified accounts to 600 posts/day
– New unverified accounts to 300/day

I was trying to follow Ukraine news on Twitter yesterday, but came across a flood of videos of French riots. Soon after I started seeing “Something happened” error messages and tweets stoped loading. The last tweet I saw was Jack Posobiec saying he is switching to Telegram.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 2 2023 14:39 utc | 4

I am unable to view any Twatter at all now. I refuse to sign up for an account. Bye Elon it was nice knowing you. Hell if you only disassociate yourself with all the brands you fake manage their valuations would spike immediately.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 14:53 utc | 5

600 tweets per days. Why?
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 2 2023 14:39 utc | 5

Musk didn’t pay his Google cloud bill for Twitter’s backend hosting.
Pretending that he is not broke is getting harder. Coming soon for everybody. Why? ‘Cause counterparties.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 2 2023 14:53 utc | 6

Also from unitedworldint.com, a report from an April 29th Multipolarity Conference. The author says he has been pushing for this (multipolarity) for 30 years.

This is why I consider so positive what many observers, including a few ones inside the western elites themselves, are now becoming more and more certain of: The United States and the “Collective West”, instrument par excellence of the Empire of Finance, do not have any more the means, they cannot impose their domination on the planet. If they had such a possibility, they have it no more. The economic rise of a non-capitalist country like China and of other economic forces of the South, the military return of Russia, the constant and heroic resistance of the Serbs and of the peoples of the Arab and Muslim world, of the Iraqis, of the Hezbollah, of the Palestinians, of the peoples of Yemen, of Syria, of Afghanistan, among others have denied to Imperialism the opportunity to impose its power on the planet. The struggles of the working and popular classes of the West itself are also an obstacle to the drive of capitalist elites towards world domination, although, unfortunately, the reach of these struggles is limited, for the time being, by the corruption of the political and trade union leaders of those classes and their identification with Imperialism and by the massive pro-imperialist propaganda and the unprecedented control of nearly all media outlets and the “intellectual” class, exercised now for some decades already.
The objective lack of the possibility for global capitalism to impose its domination on the planet is the necessary – although not yet sufficient – condition to going to a situation of multipolarity. On the other hand, multipolarity seems now a necessary transitional stage if we are to go to the direction of a deeply democratic world, a world that would reduce inequalities, both within countries and between them, put productive forces and technology at the service of man and lead us to a civilization of harmonious coexistence with nature: what Hugo Chavez called socialism of the 21st Century.
It is important to underline the dialectic connection between the struggle against a western dictatorship on the world, against “unipolarity” and for “multipolarity” with the struggle for a new superior human civilization.
Firstly, because we don’t have just unipolarity – the quest of the USA and the big Financial Capital to dominate the world – to deal with. We also need a new culture to address the enormous problems of our world: indeed, we need a new civilization which will change the structure of consumption from individual to collective; which will place under public and international control the terrible technologies being developed now, technologies which will determine the very future of humankind, even our very survival as a species. Such technologies cannot remain under the control of very limited minorities of wealth and power without significant risks. We need an in-depth democratization of our societies, not in the sense of introducing and imitating a Western, to a large extent, pseudo-democracy, but in the sense of a real participation of workers and citizens, if possible, in all the decisions that concern them, with a system of generalized self-management at all levels, and social ownership and management at least of the greatest productive forces. Strategically, we don’t need a system of over-concentrated power (a dictatorship of the few) but a society of diffused intelligence, able to advance collectively towards a superior form of civilization and permitting what Marx called the transition from pre-history to history of humanity.
Some people will say that all that seem very “utopian” not realistic, as goals, especially in the light of the collapse of Soviet “socialism”. First of all this “Socialism” was not so much a “socialism”. At best it was a first step to the direction of such a society. Second, it is even more unrealistic and utopian to believe humanity is viable, sustainable, with its present modes of organization and dominant ideas.

https://unitedworldint.com/30120-multipolarity-the-positive-content/
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There is much more in the article, of course. But he does raise interesting issues. The hegemony of Big Finance has reached its limits. This seems true, although far too many seem to confuse it with ‘The US.’ Yes, Wall Street and DC have become the virtual capital of Big Finance for a while, but they are not an American project. It’s just that America was the growth engine of the industrial revolution since it was new territory that had the easiest journey to rapidly modernize, or rather build new infrastructure and indeed nation based on this new paradigm versus having to gradually convert well settled populations used to an earlier (feudal or theocratic) ones.
Times have changed. So multipolarity is needed to wrest dominance from the greedy grip of Big Finance – or GloboCap as C J Hopkins calls it. Because it IS global. Most of CHina’s main manufacturers enjoy significant Western ownership. China is the result of GloboCap investment – as well as the intelligence and industriousness of her own people and culture of course. The point is that they did not emerge in a vacuum nor without significant buy-in and regulatory assistance from the West, including unbalanced tariff policies which reduced US manufacturing and boosted China’s (for example).
But the author also recognizes that multipolarity is little more than a band aid, something repairing a fault but not addressing the underlying malady. And what will address that? He does not yet know, admits it’s a mighty issue and might even be regarded as yet another exercise in utopia-building. A polity needs bedrock values grounded in wisdom, true wisdom. Can this be achieved as a single polity for the entire world? It seems it has to be, that the days of individual nations with their own languages and customs is fast dissolving. Should it be? Have we allowed commerce-fueled technology to shrink the world too much such that the human journey is sacrificed at the altar of oligarchic wealth-generation? Quite possibly. But can anything be done about it? Probably very little.
The multipolarity movement right now, once it has wrested control from the US-based hegemon, will put in its place a One World Order, at first proclaiming equality for all, but soon morphing into a tyrannical behemoth. Then there will be a movement to separate, for nations and people to become distinct and sovereign again. And then each nation will have to learn how to be a good one, vibrant, uplifted, creative, just and so on. Or not. But I do not believe there is any way a single world culture can be created any more than one get a single family of only twenty members to agree on just about anything!
The world keeps rolling, on and on, blundering from one magnificence into the next, many of them catastrophes.
And so it goes.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 14:57 utc | 7

Don’t know if this is
safe, or
Effective
But I found it on the interwebs
Twitter:
“… having “no account” twitter issues, … this browser extension:
https://violentmonkey.github.io/
install this script:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/469910-twitter-com-to-embed/code
redirects user profiles and individual tweets to their embedded counterparts
also resizes the pages for better screen usage”
Me: I’m not recommending it. Just offering it to anyone who is tech savvy and thinks it might assist them.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 2 2023 15:11 utc | 8

From the NYT story about unrest in France:

The broad initial denunciation of the shooting on Tuesday morning, including Mr. Macron’s description of it as “inexcusable,” has given way, as violence has mounted, to tribal expressions of allegiance, whether to a law-and-order camp or to a movement of those who see ethnic profiling and racism in a pattern of police killings or manhandling of minorities.

Watch it metastasize to Belgium and Switzerland. For us, in the San Francisco Bay Area, mass-confrontations over police killings started with the slaying of Oscar Grant by Johannes Mehserle on News Years Day, 2009. A central Oakland plaza, officially known as Frank Ogawa plaza, has been unofficially renamed Oscar Grant Plaza. (Ryan Coogler’s classic Fruitvale Station tells this story.)
Murals honoring Oscar Grant were followed by countless police slayings of subhumans in the decade following, until somehow the compellingly grotesque spectacle of George Floyd’s slow death under Derek Chauvin’s knee sparked something like an uprising, in the middle of the pandemic. Calls from Black Lives Matter to defund the police got some attention, so our fascist press filled with counter-factual narratives implying all this unrest and crime is because police are starved for resources.
No such defunding ever happened, anywhere. Not even in Minneapolis, where someone was inspired to burn down the police station after George Floyd’s disgusting death. About half of city, county, and state funds go to police and prisons — all over USA — but that’s not enough to satisfy the fraternal brotherhood. Welcome to the police state.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 2 2023 15:14 utc | 9

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 14:28 utc | 3
I did not read, yet, the article your posted though I’ve read others like it over the decades. The problem with “economic” stories is that since WWII “economics” has become a separate intellectual discipline. Before that time it was called “political economy” and it still is. There is NO economics apart from politics, at minimum, someone has to create the security for the market or raiders will simply steal rather than buy the products–there has to be a stable political structure, in other words, for any economy to function.
Today, we have more politics, less economics. The US is now a sort-of command economy with and increasingly authoritarian industrial policy designed by finance oligarchs and their factotums. The actual official political system of Presidents, Senators, Representatives have much less power and are mainly for show–they do nothing but throw money at various oligarchical cliques and, as ordered by the oligarchs, they will throw money at the populace to shut them up not to actually provide rational solutions to their problems. And this is the sort of system the Empire’s national security establishment wants to impose: a mix of totalitarianism and neo-feudalism. The struggle is ongoing between various oligarchical cliques for power–that’s the drama for the next few decades.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jul 2 2023 15:15 utc | 10

Re: Twitter reading limits

Elon Musk says this is a temporary measure, because of “data scraping & system manipulation”.

When Twitter started, it was described a microblogging service. A blog or weblog, as opposed to social networking, is a web page set up by a user for anyone on the Internet to see and read.
On Friday, Twitter restricted reading the site to only logged-in users, thus turning the service from a blog platform to government-regulated social media. Evidently this censorship attempt has caused readers to access the service through proxies. These proxies “scrape data” from Twitter and display the content through their own interface, with their own revenue-generating advertising. Twitter has now been forced to stop proxies, like ThreadReaderApp from accessing tweets.
This article from TheWrap, via Yahoo News explains the situation.

Elon Musk Limits Unverified Twitter Accounts to Reading Just 600 Posts Per Day

Off topic: Here are some quotes from the Wrap / Yahoo article.

The decision is the latest effort to favor users who have subscribed to Twitter Blue, Twitter’s $8/month subscription service that verifies users. Many now view the blue check as synonymous with right-wing extremism.
Studies have noted a significant rise in hate speech since Musk took over the social media giant.

In the modern West, almost like in Orwell’s 1984, censorship has become a synonym of “democracy” and free speech has become a synonym of right-wing extremism and hate speech.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 2 2023 15:35 utc | 11

@4Scorpion. Hi ho

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 2 2023 15:44 utc | 12

Quote in post #2
*** more than forty years after Reagan’s and Thatcher’s triumphs, more than thirty years after the Soviet collapse and the establishment of the EU, the dominant global economic model has not achieved any of the basic aims it set itself and its theoreticians believed they would be achieved because of its unhindered implementation ***
Yes it has attained its prime goal. The very rich, corrupt megalomaniacs have made themselves very much richer, while thoroughly buggering most of the rest of the population, and countries.
All done under a ludicrous smokescreen of economic mumbo-jumbo obligingly pimped by bought academics, false-front political franchises (called “parties”) and basically unquestioning mass-media.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 2 2023 16:19 utc | 13

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 2 2023 15:14 utc
I recall Oscar Grant. Tragic killing. But, that was before the democratic party created the agency of BLM to racially divide and destroy each and everyone of these protest movements against police violence.
I think it was around the killing of Mike Brown, not a terribly sympathetic victim, that BLM was given tens of millions by the Ford foundation.
When old George was killed, there was a broad multi racial working class opposition on the street. Then BLM came in and managed it for the Dems. The whole thing ended in riots and an even broader racial tension.
The fact is more white and Hispanic working and poor are killed by police every year, although blacks are killed out of proportion to their population size.
If these so far impotent protests were to unite on a class basis against police violence on the poor and working class and explicitly reject racial tribalism, they could be quite powerful.
It’s much easier for the ruling class to keep this a purely racial issue and specifically an issue only effecting blacks, which is utterly false! Then it’s easy to put down, as seen in the fact you cited: the George Floyd thing didn’t result in a single significant legal change.
Let’s hope the French can resist such manipulation and turn this into a broad, powerful movement against the ruling class.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 2 2023 16:21 utc | 14

james | Jul 2 2023 16:25 utc | 16
*** by the way, do you know how to remove a light bulb from recessed space without breaking it? asking for a friend.***
If an establishment politician, fart; if not, press while turning.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 2 2023 16:36 utc | 16

I’ve had zero access to twitter since Thursday. I have (or had, who knows?) an account locked for a mean post about Jacinda that I can’t be bothered to delete or whatever.
Shut us out & lose ad revenue Elon. Your loss, not mine!

Posted by: Mary | Jul 2 2023 16:44 utc | 17

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 2 2023 16:21 utc | 14
it got that murderous scumbag cop in prison where he long belonged, that’s a legal change. that he managed to stay out this long was due to an intervention by democrat Amy Klobuchar.

Posted by: pretzelattackq | Jul 2 2023 17:17 utc | 18

Breaking…
Bhutan/China border demarcation finalised.
Hence forth, out of China’s 14 neighbors,
India would be the only one which refuse to work out a win-win border settlement with China.

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2023 17:17 utc | 19

From Escobar’s Telegram:

Syria and France, June 30, 2023
🔸Arab social networks compare the situation in the two states, one of which has gone to great lengths to destroy the other.
🔸France was one of the first to provide military aid to the Syrian opposition after the start of the civil war in 2011, and that aid went under the guise of “non-lethal supplies.” Again, it was France that actively called for direct military intervention.
🔸In addition, Paris also struck government installations directly, notably in April 2018. After that, the Syrian government officially returned to the French the Order of the Legion of Honor, previously awarded to Bashar al-Assad.
🔸For Syrians, therefore, what is happening today in Paris, Lyon, and elsewhere is the ultimate embodiment of justice. For Libyans and Algerians, even more so.
Source: @voenkorKotenok

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2023 17:30 utc | 20

Let us consider the riots in France, with extensions in Belgium and Switzerland.
All countries under US dominion have the same policies on migration, LGTB, and trans and the same problems. In Europe, the policies of countries such as Poland and Hungary that were under Soviet occupation clearly differ from the policies of countries that were in the US sphere of influence. In the case of Germany, public sentiment in those regions that were part of East Germany clearly differs from those regions that were part of West Germany.
Historically, Europe has had family feuds, religious and tribal wars. But these race riots can be attributed to a migration policy that is a direct result of US rule. The US is like a pyromaniac firefighter – first he sets your house on fire; then claims you need him to put out the fire.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2023 17:38 utc | 21

fyi
The Maidan Massacre Trial and Investigation Revelations: Implications for the Ukraine-Russia War and Relations (PDF) Ivan Katchanovski, Russian Politics (2023).
[We’ve met this guy before – think this may be first time in a ‘journal’ [another story]
Abstract
This study analyzes revelations from the trial and investigation in Ukraine concerning the mass killing that took place in Kyiv on 20 February 2014. This Maidan massacre of protesters and police led to the overthrow of the Yanukovych government and ultimately to the Russian annexation of Crimea, the civil war and Russian military interventions in Donbas, and the Ukraine-Russia and West-Russia conflicts which Russia escalated by illegally invading Ukraine in 2022. The absolute majority of wounded Maidan protesters, nearly 100 prosecution and defense witnesses, synchronized videos, and medical and ballistic examinations by government experts pointed unequivocally to the fact that the Maidan protesters were massacred by snipers located in Maidan-controlled buildings. To date, however, due to the political sensitivity of these findings and cover-up, no one has been convicted for this massacre. The article discusses the implications of these revelations for the Ukraine-Russia war and the future of Russian-Ukrainian relations.
https://brill.com/view/journals/rupo/8/2/article-p181_5.xml?ebody=full%20html-copy1 [h/t nakedcapitalism

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 2 2023 17:50 utc | 22

@denk, #21:
I believe China should wait until India breaks apart, then negotiate with the following states to define final borders:
1. Jammu/Kashmir
2. Himanchal
3. Uttaranchal
4. Uttar
5. Bihar
6. Sikkim
7. Assam
8. Nagaland
It is assumed, of course, that Arunchal is Zanam (Southern Tibet), China territory proper since antiquity, not a border state.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 2 2023 17:57 utc | 23

Passerby@23
What you call ‘race riots’ are nothing of the kind.
And the demographic structure of France, like those of the UK and the Low Countries, has much more to do with centuries of imperial adventures- during which millions of African soldiers were conscripted to fight France’s wars- than any recent policies from the United States.
(I note incidentally that while half of Europe was ‘under Soviet Occupation’ the western half, where there is still a large and permanent foreign military presence, was merely ‘in the US sphere of influence..’)
The current waves of migration into Europe are largely the consequences of wars perpetrated by NATO, which have left ruined countries, broken economies and shattered societies behind them. Nobody in Libya wants to go to Italy, but if there is no alternative but to leave their native lands many will flee.
All reports suggest the same thing: a policeman shot a young man. And the community was enraged. France is lucky that it was not indifferent and had more sense than to buy the campaign of smears and lies that immediately came out of the Police PR department and were published in the media.
Needless to say there are people in the forum who automatically blame the victim, publicise the persecutors’ smears and think that what they are doing is ‘critical thinking.’

Posted by: bevin | Jul 2 2023 18:04 utc | 24

Don Firineach@24
Thanks to S too.
S | Jul 1 2023 16:44 utc | 13

Posted by: bevin | Jul 2 2023 18:08 utc | 25

Global Times on French Situation provides good detail and background:

Complicated reasons
The riots this time have been caused directly by a killing of a North African teenager by the French police, and it might seem like an accident, but in fact, the massive nationwide riots are actually caused by long-standing and complicated problems in France, so from this aspect, the current riots are unavoidable in this society, Zheng Ruolin, an expert on French studies and a research fellow at the China Institute of Fudan University, told the Global Times on Sunday.
France and many other European countries have taken in a large amount of immigrants and refugees from the developing countries in past decades, and after the “Arab Spring” and the wars and chaos caused by the US-led Western powers in the Middle East, the number of immigrants and refugees who fled to Europe has increased significantly. This has already caused tensions between people with different cultural, ethnic and religious backgrounds, as well as the tension between the police and immigrants, in many Western countries, experts said.
After the Ukraine crisis broke out in 2022, the long-standing problem faced new challenges as the hopes of an economic recovery after the COVID-19 pandemic were seriously damaged. Rising energy prices and the worsening security situation and business environment led to rising unemployment and anger among the lower-classes, mostly immigrants from Arab and African countries, analysts said.
Therefore, “just a spark could detonate this huge powder keg,” and not only in France, but in many other European countries including Germany, Belgium, Sweden, the Netherlands and Switzerland, which all share similar challenges. This is why the whole of Europe is paying close attention to how the situation develops, Song noted.
Some observers said that as Macron has made a series of moves independent from the US, such as calling for strategic autonomy of the EU and distancing France from US foreign policy related to China, some forces may play a role behind the current riots to make trouble for and impose pressures on the Macron government.
Zheng said there is no clear evidence now to prove this kind of speculation, but the concern is reasonable, because in history, when France follows policymaking that the US does not like, some riots would occur in the country, such as the riots in May 1968 during the term of Charles de Gaulle, and the 2005 French riots during the term of Jacques Chirac. “The current riots show some characteristics of color revolutions, such as the use of social media networks among rioters and the violence driven by some seditious political slogans.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2023 18:25 utc | 26

… continuing from the last open thread:
On the bioweapon discussion – I’m not a biologist, but the mutation which made the spike thingy so potent surely seems very suspicious. If the mutation rate argument I heard about really applies, it’s basically a proof for engineering. What I find curious is that, later on, a variant appeared that utilized a wholly different mechanism of seizing a cell. Could that be a different lab creation, perhaps from a different lab? Or, more clearly – could this be some kind of counterstrike by the Resistance? Pure speculation on my part, of course.
On the metaphysics debate – I’d like to thank the bar for the generally fair conduct, and wish to say sorry for getting a bit emotional last time. You know, I’m actually serious about my philosophy, I feel very grateful for the insights I could gain, and I am proud of the achievement. It made me happy to share them here with you all, and I felt seen and appreciated. It gave me great joy to express my thoughts in short posts using the english language and see it working out – It had taken me about ten years of mostly silent MoA reading to cope with the colloquial and idiomatic style on this board. And then malenkov threw a weird strawman (“Auschwitz”) at me when I had just put the final brick in my fairly grandiose statement… That is really the one thing that gets me where it hurts – it’s not that I fear that I might fail at the topos. It’s the big questions, after all! Of course it is ridiculous to try kicking them over with bare feet, so what a philosopher needs, above all, is a healthy dose of willingness to laugh at himself, too. That’s okay for me, I guess. I chose my handle not least because of this aspect. What I can’t stomach easily, however, is when my serious attempting is not treated with a fair appreciation.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 2 2023 18:34 utc | 27

Global Times reports on the 11th World Peace Forum taking place in Beijing, “Stabilizing an Unstable World Through Consensus and Cooperation,” is the this year’s theme, “China’s solutions to global security in focus at World Peace Forum: Unprecedented changes and challenges require dialogue, consensus”. The opening paragraphs:

As the world is facing unprecedented security and development challenges, China’s solutions in safeguarding genuine multilateralism and promoting dialogue and negotiations in solving disputes and conflicts have been the focus at this year’s World Peace Forum (WPF) held in Beijing from Sunday to Monday, drawing a sharp contrast to the US-led power politics and unilateral moves of suppressing rivals.
In the face of profound changes in the international situation, China has put forward a series of major initiatives, such as the Global Development Initiative, the Global Security Initiative, and the Global Civilization Initiative, constantly enriching the connotation and practical path of the concept of building a community with a shared future for humanity, and injecting strong positive energy into world peace and development, Chinese Vice President Han Zheng said in an opening address of the WPF on Sunday.
China is ready to work with other countries to safeguard world peace and security, seek global development and prosperity, advocate exchanges and mutual learning among civilizations, and share the fruits of human development, security, and civilization, Han said.
Han stressed resolving conflicts through dialogue and consultation. The international community, especially influential major countries, should take a clear stand to promote peace talks and mediation in light of the needs and aspirations of the countries concerned so as to build mutual trust, resolve disputes and promote security through dialogue, Han said.
Han called on all sides to promote inclusiveness, mutual benefit, and win-win results. “We should work together to usher in a new stage of balanced, coordinated, and inclusive global development, promote international development cooperation, improve the well-being of the people of participating countries, and consolidate the social foundation for world peace,” he said.
Han stressed that Chinese modernization follows the path of peaceful development, and China will unswervingly advocate, build and uphold world peace.

The stark contrast with Biden’s Democracy Summits is well marked. Global Times also published another article related to the Forum, “‘Decoupling’ and ‘de-risking’ used as political weapons to prevent new participants on global stage: New Development Bank chief”, that barflies will also want to read as the opening paragraph shows:
“Decoupling and de-risking not only weaken economic globalization and financial relationships, but are also being used as political weapons to prevent the rise of new participants on the international stage. One of the most serious threats in today’s world is the new protectionism, the New Development Bank chief and former Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff said at a keynote speech at 11th World Peace Forum in Beijing on Sunday.”
I’d list several more items from today’s Global Times that IMO would interest readers.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2023 18:38 utc | 28

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 2 2023 17:57 utc | 25
——————-
Modi was given some carrots in Washington, he might be tempted to try something at the border.
Bhutan just handed back three strategically vital spots to China, this might serve as deterrence to India.
strike while the iron is hot
以免夜长梦多
Be back….

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2023 18:38 utc | 29

Viktor Bout to enter politics (02.07.23)

Russian businessman Viktor Bout has been nominated as a candidate for the local legislature in the western Russian city of Ulyanovsk. He will run representing Russia’s right-wing Liberal Democratic Party (LDPR). Bout was nominated by secret ballot during a regional LDPR gathering on Sunday. His candidacy was announced after the vote by Dmitry Grachev, leader of the LDPR faction in the Ulyanovsk legislature….

Prigozhin’s competitors coming out of the closet, so to speak.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 2 2023 18:38 utc | 30

The continued unrest in France from the pension reforms to migrant rage…
For any entrepreneur looking for ideas, a “start up” that makes guillotines may be a good bet at this point.
For investors, buying equity of a guillotine maker isn’t a bad bet either.
Made in China obviously.
Signed
Username: Fougueux Mais Surtout Paisible

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Jul 2 2023 18:43 utc | 31

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2023 17:38 utc | 23
Generation Z is fed up with immigrants from Condi’s Great Middle East?
You might want to read this. Orban wants to know, too, Where did the money go?
Multilateral financial assistance to Ukraine

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 2 2023 18:45 utc | 32

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 2 2023 18:34 utc | 29
I for one very much enjoy your contributions.
As to some of the responses one gets, it seems there is an art to merging a sense of making a general offering to all whilst essentially only talking to oneself given this all takes place in cyberspace, a mutually imagined realm!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 18:50 utc | 33

..
As to some of the responses one gets, it seems there is an art to merging a sense of making a general offering to all whilst essentially only talking to oneself given this all takes place in cyberspace, a mutually imagined realm!
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 18:50 utc | 35
Several weeks ago I was listening to a meditation teacher talking about Dr Iain McGilchrist and when I came home and went straight to the computer and MOA, the first comment I saw was yours – the topic of which was Dr Iain McGilchrist!

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2023 19:22 utc | 34

This author, whom am encountering for the first time, shares my concern that the seeming conflict between East and West acts as cover for an ever-encroaching One-World system.

The fall from liberalism to global technocracy
A conversation with Moldovan journalist Iurie Rosca

by
EDWARD SLAVSQUAT
In May you published a truly fascinating essay titled “How to overcome the paradigmatic deadlock” [which everyone should read—it’s a real eye-opener — Edward]. You begin this article with a very provocative statement: “Despite major conflicts between various countries, they are all submissively following the same globalist agenda”. Can you explain how you reached this conclusion? In what ways are the world powers following the “same globalist agenda”?
By 2020, especially after Russia condemned the 2014 coup in Kiev and took control of Crimea, I hoped that the Putin administration had decided to end Russia’s unsettling status as a Western colony, as a banana republic of the globalist corporatocracy, as a supplier of raw materials to the rich countries of the West.
I even expected that there would be a purge of those who had been in control of the government’s economic and financial bloc, including the central bank, for over 30 years, and Moscow would offer a clear and distinct geopolitical alternative to the world.
But my expectations were in vain. The “Fifth Column” (the vast network of the Western-backed agents) remained intact in the state administration, and the mafia-type network of oligarchs continued to exploit Russia’s vast natural resources for their personal benefit, to the detriment of the country.
Donbass was abandoned for eight years, the assassination of the peaceful population in this region continued daily, and the Minsk agreements confirmed my fear that Russia did not have a leadership capable of manifesting itself as a real and effective alternative to the West.
The evolution of events in Russia has shown that in fact the Putin administration is only the docile executor of the orders of the “Russian plutocracy”. Under the current regime, the country could be called without exaggeration a “xenocracy” (rule by foreigners). And, as in all capitalist countries, the economic factor has subjugated the political factor, with statesmen being only puppets of capital.
The false pandemic launched in 2020 has confirmed beyond any doubt that Russia, like China and the other BRICS countries, are subject to a single command center.
This shadow world government imposes binding directives on all states through its command centers such as the WHO and GAVI. Global genocide, the destruction of the world economy, assassination by vaccine, the imposition of masks, the social distancing, lockdowns and self-isolation—these policies were met with resistance only in a number of African countries, whose leaders paid with their lives. Belarus and Sweden also partly resisted.
In the summer of 2020, Klaus Schwab released his infamous book “Covid-19: The Great Reset”, a manifesto of demonic technocracy’s reorganization of the world economy, liquidation of private property, genetic modification, and total surveillance of humanity. I called this new reality at the international level “the end of classical geopolitics”.
The false pandemic has exposed the total obedience of false power centers claiming to be an alternative to the “Collective West”, there are many more indications that those economic, diplomatic and even military conflicts between states do not cancel out, but only divert public attention from the existence of a single international agenda, valid for all countries without exception. The name of this agenda has been well known since the 1992 Rio Earth Summit, which established a single development strategy for all the world’s countries. But even after three decades, many of us failed to detect this new geopolitical reality.
Since then, globalist circles have imposed the myth of climate change, the biodiversity trap, and the technocratic “Sustainable Development” diversion on all mankind. All of these initiatives have been launched against us with tsunami-like force—especially after 2020. I wrote about this common agenda for the whole of mankind in my last essay, which was published by Technocracy News.
So while Satanist forces have subordinated the whole world to them, promoting their agenda through the UN, you have to be blind or mercenary to not see that even after the beginning of the war in Ukraine, there was no change in the internal policy of the Putin administration with regards to Moscow’s ongoing implementation of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development—not to mention the massive digitization of society, total supervision and control over citizens, the elimination of cash, and the policy of implementing digital currency, etc., etc.

https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/the-fall-from-liberalism-to-global
He also tears into China later on. I think this is a valid concern moreover one that deserves far more analysis and commentary. If we are indeed leaving the lower circle of hegemonic hell and entering a more benign ‘multipolar’ higher realm, there needs be far more discussion about what it might be, how it might work, what are the underlying philosophical and/or implementational principles. This is not in evidence. Why not? Because it is a top-down initiative which makes it, therefore, highly suspect to any free-thinking person not caught in the trap of believing one side is all-bad and therefore any opposing it are ipso facto all-good.
I find the language in the many excerpts Karlov so generously keeps pasting in extremely bland and generic. Indeed, in more curmudgeonly moments I think of them as feel-good ‘platitudes for the massitudes.’
The diminution of the current ‘hegemon’ is an inevitable necessity, no question about it. But there are no guarantees that what follows will be an improvement, especially with the technicity developments in play which the author – and of course he is not alone – points out. Put another way: there is a lot more than multipolarity replacing the hegemon in the mix right now, but it is largely going unnoticed.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 19:23 utc | 35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTAxYheSns
Lovely sound and undersea creatures, son et lumiere….

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 19:25 utc | 36

karlof1, none of your posts that I’ve read recently have mentioned medical issues. I trust that to be a good sign.
All strength in your work!

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2023 19:28 utc | 37

karlof1, none of your posts that I’ve read recently have mentioned medical issues. I trust that to be a good sign.
All strength in your work!

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2023 19:28 utc | 38

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2023 19:22 utc | 36
Several weeks ago I was listening to a meditation teacher talking about Dr Iain McGilchrist and when I came home and went straight to the computer and MOA, the first comment I saw was yours – the topic of which was Dr Iain McGilchrist!
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Proving once and for all that cyberspace is no more real (or unreal) than ‘real’ space!!
For Yi afficionados, that sort of synchronicity, or ‘auspicious coincidence,’ is a sign of……

..
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(There are places that words need not go!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 19:30 utc | 39

General Wesley Clark, the bomber of Serbia: “There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That’s a 19th century idea, and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multiethnic states.”
And nobody in the press asked: What is the US military doing, dictating policy to a democracy?

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2023 19:33 utc | 40

PS I meant to write: ‘no less real (or unreal)’ but cyber-dyslexia got me again!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 19:36 utc | 41

Posted by: pretzelattackq | Jul 2 2023 17:17
That guy was just one of thousands of tools of the ruling class. Plenty more where that came from. Some progress! What a movement! Slave consciousness!
This myopic focus on individuals is trained into us for just this reason. Police are still fully empowered to take your life when they feel like it. If it’s caught on camera and the victim is black, maybe they’ll prosecute… maybe.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 2 2023 20:23 utc | 42

Passerby | Jul 2 2023 17:38 utc | 23
*** All countries under US dominion have the same policies on migration, LGTB, and trans and the same problems. In Europe, the policies of countries such as Poland and Hungary that were under Soviet occupation clearly differ from the policies of countries that were in the US sphere of influence. ***
Puppet political establishments all aspiring to be carbon copies of Yankland.
Very reliant in both defence and attack, upon big-money and mass-media monopolisation.
All striving to outdo each other in sacrificing the populations over which they franchise-rule, in service to the interests of the Exceptionalist Empire.
That’s why “nationalism”, “populism”, “socialism” and “communism” are so demonised by mainstream politicians and mass-media …. because they’re not American near-enough religious creeds (like present day orthodox economics, Straussianism, wokism or LGBT++), oppose US corporate, financial and militaristic interests — they are heresy.
Still cannot figure out why the Poles — actually wanting to be occupied by armed forces of the empire — are so stupidly intent on collective suicide (that is not meaning via war with Russia) though.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 2 2023 20:26 utc | 43

Ново З | Jul 2 2023 19:28 utc | 39–
Thanks very much for your concern. My surgery to apply a stent to my AAA is scheduled for 20 July; and although I complain about time going too rapidly, in this case I want it to be very speedy so my internal bomb can be defused and I can return to my workout and other aspects of my normal routine.
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RT has an article about “Greedflation” barflies will want to read, “The real reason for surging inflation has finally been acknowledged”. Intense Neoliberalism and its Junk Economics have resulted in what’s observed in this paragraph from the article:
“One of the theories put forward by people in favor of more guardrails on profiteering has been that corporate profits have skyrocketed since the pandemic and that the state should intervene. Many mainstream economists and media commentators have dismissed this as a baseless conspiracy theory.”
The writer cites some excellent sources that erase the conspiracy aspect so that we can say the theory is proven.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2023 20:34 utc | 44

“ And then malenkov threw a weird strawman (“Auschwitz”) at me when I had just put the final brick in my fairly grandiose statement…
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 2 2023 18:34 utc | 29”
Hilarious, simply hilarious that your butthurt compels you to carry this over from a dead thread. The only thing even more hilarious than that is the way you prate incessantly on philosophical matters and yet failed to recognize the central argument (and its appropriateness to our discussion) of the *Dialectic of Enlightenment.*
I’m assuming that “persiflo” refers to your activity here —nämlich die Philosophie persiflieren?

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2023 20:34 utc | 45

Scorpion, FWIW, IMHO, Slavsquat isn’t worth the effort following, something smells about his efforts.
WRT concerns about China bringing in a worldwide totalitarian technocratic system etc – it’s possible (the amount of realtime data analysis we “suffer” now (for our own good) is already fucking incredible!), but I see nothing in Xi and Putin’s words and actions that indicate such inclinations. But like the truth shown in games like Go, things can flip.
In a slightly flippant way, I thought we’re all fucked when I read (somewhere back in the ’80s/’90s) the news that India was implimenting a scheme where everyone had their unique ID number! That is, if a country like India (full of Indians) ends up under “lockstep” then there is little hope for the rest of us!
I take comfort in indicators like Russia has no GMOs in its food, no water fluridation and a 30% COVID vaccination rate! Unfortunately Russia (and the rest of the coalition of resistance – Syria China Iran Cuba Venezula..) have pretty fucked official attitudes and practices wrt cannabis. But interestingly it was never prohibited in North Korea – Korean tradition! (and the fact that N Korea has been a pariah, a hermit kingdom outside international control).

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2023 20:39 utc | 46

Passerby | Jul 2 2023 19:33 utc | 42
*** General Wesley Clark, the bomber of Serbia: “There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That’s a 19th century idea, and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multiethnic states.”
And nobody in the press asked: What is the US military doing, dictating policy to a democracy?***
It surely also rules out Israel ever being able to join the EU….
His statement seems to be an inadvertent admission that mass-immigration, imposed by successive governments contrary to the wishes and interests of the population (and fake promises by such establishment politicians at election time) has long — always? — been a covert agenda of NATO.
Join our ‘defence’ alliance and get invaded might not sound very enticing.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 2 2023 20:46 utc | 47

persiflo @#29
If I may, Auschwitz was brought up because we had originally been discussing Heidegger and the growing evidence that his estate (his family, really) has been cleansing his works of inconvenient statements and generally attempting to minimize or hide his overt Nazi sympathies. Prior to the tangent about the tree falling in the woods (I had fun with that, but nobody else seemed to after a few posts, LOL). malenkov’s reply to you centered on this statement from an article which I had previously linked in that same thread:

Ultimately, Hermann Heidegger’s attempt to clear his father’s name fell considerably short of the mark. As he remarked at one point during the interview with Sezession, “My father was critical of ‘world Jewry’ without being an antisemite. After Auschwitz, it has become impossible to make this distinction, although anyone who was alive during the 1930s readily understands its meaning.” What seems to have escaped Hermann’s attention is that the expression “world Jewry” (Weltjudentum)—which conjures the image of a “Jewish world conspiracy”—was itself a lexical mainstay of Nazi race thinking. Hitler himself frequently had recourse to it in Mein Kampf and other writings. Truly a shame that Auschwitz, among its various pernicious aftereffects, fundamentally ruined things for well-meaning critics of “world Jewry” like the Heideggers!

I don’t recall exactly what you or malenkov wrote; I’m just trying to point out how Auschwitz was already kind of under discussion due to this article: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-heidegger-hoax/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 20:52 utc | 48

More from the above quoted article at LARB:

Heidegger’s hypocrisy in the aforementioned cases was twofold. First, although he repeatedly insisted that his lectures and treatises from the Nazi era were being published verbatim—without substantive interventions or alterations—the preceding examples suggest that, as a rule, this policy was honored more often in the breach than in the observance. Second, Heidegger’s discourse was punctuated by polemical indictments of the “Enlightenment,” “liberalism,” and “modernity,” but when it came to Nazism’s genocidal excesses, he remained uncharacteristically silent—even after the war, when the Third Reich’s “annihilationist” essence had become impossible to deny. Instead, he blamed the debacle of World War II on the evils of modern technology, implying that National Socialism would have “succeeded” had it not succumbed to pernicious Western and Jewish influences.
Thus, in one of the few cases where Heidegger deigned to discuss the “Final Solution” to the “Jewish Question,” he cynically characterized the Holocaust as an act of “Jewish self-annihilation.” By making this accusation, Heidegger, in keeping with a widely held antisemitic prejudice, insinuated that, since the Jews were the leading “carriers” of modern technology, they had effectively died by their own hand at Auschwitz and the other sites of industrialized mass murder. Heidegger buttressed this callous indictment of the “disintegrative” Jewish influence by asserting in the Black Notebooks that “[o]ne of the stealthiest forms of Gigantism [das Riesige], and perhaps the most ancient, is the fast-paced cleverness of calculation, huckstering, and intermingling whereby [world] Jewry’s worldlessness is established.”
Heidegger’s incessant condemnation of the ontological-historical link between “world Jewry” and modern “technics” strongly suggests that his celebrated Technik-critique, as elaborated in “The Question Concerning Technology” and related essays, was impelled by a deep-seated, ideologically driven aversion to “Jewish materialism”—by racially motivated fears concerning the corrosive cultural consequences of “world Jewry” as purveyors of, as Heidegger once put it, “empty rationality and calculability.” Heidegger’s antisemitic animus was prefigured by a letter he wrote to his wife Elfride in 1920, in which he openly characterized himself as a “spiritual antisemite.”
Whether Heidegger overcame these prejudices later in life is extremely doubtful. After the war, he bemoaned in the Black Notebooks a “conspiracy” purportedly initiated by “world journalism” (Weltjournalismus) to keep Germany in a condition of fealty vis-à-vis the Western Allies. When, in 1986, Hans-Georg Gadamer—Heidegger’s star student—was queried about his mentor’s postwar ideological leanings, he avowed that “Heidegger remained sufficiently a Nazi after the war that he was convinced that world opinion was totally dominated by Jews.”

The sad thing is I could probably name 4-5 regulars here that would say ‘openly’ (here at the bar) that they fully agree with Heidegger’s worst, most conspiratorial impulses re: “World Jewry.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 20:59 utc | 49

Hi b,
Great job as usual. I would comment on the AUKUS section but I’ve gone through something of a sea change here. From now on I will check in but not comment. The comment board ain’t what it used to be and the level of hate is too much. I’m ashamed of the position Australia takes in the world but I’m not ashamed to be Australian. That seemed unacceptable to some here, but I don’t need the abuse. Some might say I am provocative, but I hope some will also recognise that from time to time I do try to offer an intellectual complement to fellow barflies’ offerings and to b’s inestimable work here. Anyhoo, thanks for the last 6 years, especially Uncle Tungsten, Karlof, Bevin, Psychohistorian, Paveway IV, Peter AU, Norwegian, and many others. I’ve learned a lot.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 2 2023 21:01 utc | 50

How to read news
There are many news articles on the internet. What I missed was a guide how to read news articles. So I wrote this, hoping it’s useful.
In the West, journalists are not free to write what they want. There are ethical guidelines, style guides, and reporting guidelines, all of which limit what can be written.
This means the easiest way to find out what’s happening is reading the reporting guidelines. If the reporting guidelines say it shouldn’t be published, it’s happening.
So how do you read a news article?
The first thing to ask is: is it news? News is something that happened the last 24 hours. If a news item is the anniversary of something, it’s old news. If it’s is an opinion, it’s not news. If it’s a prediction it’s tomorrow’s news today. If you remove all rehashed old news, all predictions and all opinions, you’ve already gotten rid of most of the cruft.
Journalists lie, usually by omission. What is left out is often more important than what is written.
Check the article for euphemisms. An euphemism hides something.
Does the article stand out? Does the site usually allow everyone to read articles, but this article is behind a paywall? Does the site usually allow everyone to comment articles, but this article allows no comments, or limits comments to paying subscribers? Can I find out more in the local press?
Check if the agressor is like a ghost – no name, age, nationality, no nothing.
If the article mentions the age of the agressor, but nothing else – usually the document that says when you were born also says where you were born.
Compare with other newspapers. An article in a newspaper with many readers ought to have more comments than an article in a newspaper with few readers. If the article in the biggest newspaper has the least comments, moderators may be deleting comments.
If an article has comments that are not to the liking of the publisher, sometimes the article is archived and republished with a line or two changed, to reset the comments to zero.
If you read a glowing review about a holiday resort – who picked up the journalists’ bill?
If it’s an interview – are the questions hardball or softball? Is the interviewee an advertiser, or the owner of the tv station?
Avoid giving an interview yourself. For you it’s the first time, while the journalist does interviews all the time, and knows all the tricks.
If you have some tips of your own, feel free to add. Thanks!

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2023 21:03 utc | 51

This didn’t get any traction in the previous tail end of an O/T, so I’ll repost it here.
https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sovietgeorgia/episodes/Episode-27-Stepan-Bandera-The-Life-and-Afterlife-of-a-Ukrainian-Nationalist–Fascism–Genocide–and-Cult-with-Grzegorz-Rossoliski-Liebe-e260ltu?
Or if you can’t use Spotify.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-27-stepan-bandera-the-life-and/id1555761205?i=1000617850382
An interview with an author named Grzegorz Rossolinski Liebe. He apparently wrote the best or most complete biography of Stepan Bandera.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 21:04 utc | 52

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2023 20:34 utc | 47
I guess I hadn’t hit refresh in a while. Didn’t see that you’d already responded to persiflo. I was trying to take a more conciliatory tone.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 21:06 utc | 53

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2023 17:38 utc | 23
I agree with what I’ll call your larger point in that the current migration and neoliberal austerity crises which go hand-in-hand in Europe are driven by US/NATO wars in the ME and Africa and US/EU finance capital globalism (what CJ Hopkins calls GloboCap).
BUT – AFAIK, the US played very little if any role in French Algeria or her other African colonies. The majority of non-“white” French are of Algerian and North African descent. There is a long history of their having been treated like 3rd class citizens and abused by the police. From what I’ve been able to ascertain, the young man executed by the police while driving his own Mercedes, was French-Algerian.
If you want to talk about race riots, or for that matter deadly race riots – look no further than white Americans. And that is the history that right-wing retards like DeSatanist and the Republicans want erased from the textbooks, assuming it was ever included to begin with.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 21:14 utc | 54

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2023 20:39 utc | 48
Scorpion, FWIW, IMHO, Slavsquat isn’t worth the effort following, something smells about his efforts.
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I won’t argue with you except that I like to read things from various POV. I spend most of my loose time here because of the interactive and multi-voice aspect, but it tends to be about 80-20 sino-russo-philes vs anything else. That’s fine, no complaints, but I like reading things criticizing Xi or Putin not only praising. In the alternative media realm, these voices are rare. I find they raise questions that have not been satisfactorily answered. Like how the plandemic, for example, first was gamed out in the earlier conference (Sept 2019?) with Gates and WHO and many more, and then when it was announced heralded universal lockdowns – as they had gamed beforehand. From where does such an organization come, that is the question?
And nowhere is it answered except by those claiming there is a global network or something. I think it’s a more than valid concern though do not pretend to have all the answers. That said, the fact that it is almost a taboo topic tends to heighten, not reduce, suspicion.
I think I have what might be called a murky view of all this, which no doubt infuriates some (as they have not held back in expressing!), but I don’t really accept all-good or all-bad characterizations either of individuals or states. There are many good reasons why CBDC’s and other technological monitoring systems we will soon all live with can be a good thing. Like the Chinese residents here regularly sing not only the PRC’s and the CPC’s praise but also the social credit systems and suchlike. They like everything. And China’s low crime rate is certainly an excellent marker of a society well run with a generally content and well adjusted population. No small thing.
But there can be both good and bad skeins in the warp and weft of technicity developments, just as there are both good AND bad aspects to multipolarity and good and bad aspects to the current system which has lifted huge numbers out of abject poverty into relative well-being and it ain’t over yet. The Chinese revival post-war was not due only to Chinese character and history but also to their adopting the ways of the modern post-industrial-revolution world. Much of what is so great about China today is thanks to that world which is the Western world.
Actually, I don’t think it’s really an East-West thing any more but developed versus undeveloped. Yes, there are key differences in systems, but there are also huge fundamental similarities which are often overlooked, especially by those inclined to paint the US as purely and only a satanic abomination, and all her people as incorrible, unforgiveable demons worthy only of contempt.
So we’ll see. But I think we would be wise to question exactly what all this multipolarity stuff means in practice, the degree to which UN-type one-world governance is being pushed and thus the degree to which the seeming conflict between The Wicked West and the BRICS+ new world order are adversaries or actually all on the same side.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 21:29 utc | 55

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 20:59 utc | 51
More from the above quoted article at LARB:
Heidegger’s hypocrisy in the aforementioned cases was twofold.
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The problem is that Heidegger’s ideas cannot be discussed because there is always someone going to bring in how he supported Hitler and therefore everything he says must be denounced lest you be labelled an anti-semite.
It’s BS. There’s nothing wrong with a German supporting his government. It’s easy to judge now after 30+ years of post-war atrocity propaganda, but people at the time did not know such narratives so it is hardly fair to judge them as if they did. You called Heidegger’s son a hypocrite for trying to defend his father. That might be a good call: he shouldn’t defend him accept to support his right to his own opinion. But it is also hypocritical – extremely so – to judge him by standards and using narratives not known to the man at the time.
Heidegger had much to contribute to world thought and wisdom. Unfortunately, it is often obscured by self-serving tribal propaganda which lowers all of us and our societies.
Again: it’s BS!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 21:36 utc | 56

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 2 2023 16:21 utc | 14
Okay, it’s obviously a slow day at the OT, so I’ll bite. When you refer to the democratic party (one assumes the proper noun Corporate Democratic Party) “creating” BLM, could you provide some further details? As far as the George Floyd protests turning into “riots” and there being a racialized component to said “riots” I disagree with such a simplified interpretation for the most part. Don’t get me wrong – the Corporate Democratic Party is more than happy to see the poor and working class splinter along racialized rather than class lines, but I’ve yet to see any convincing evidence that the Democrats actually created BLM. Rather, the segment of BLM that gets the attention is the product of certain grifters who decided to – as is the American Way (!) – brand and cash in on the catchy name.
For one thing, in 90%+ percent of cases where protests devolved into violence against property, it was either in response to extra-heavy handed police tactics or there were infiltrators/agents provocateur present acting as “accelerationists.” For another, despite some riots and looting taking up the vast majority of the coverage in video and online media, and accepting that this form of protest (assuming legit and not driven by aforementioned actors) is almost always the wrong way of going about it, the later claims that the vast majority of such protests were non-violent was not false. But for some reason even the Democrat-friendly “liberal” corporate media seemed most interested in covering the ones that got out of hand – and – many, including some around these parts who lean left and anti-police, even, refused to believe that truth: when looking at the overall picture, it was a small minority of demonstrations/protests that resulted in the destruction of property for whatever reason.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 21:42 utc | 57

Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 21:14 utc | 56
*** From what I’ve been able to ascertain, the young man executed by the police while driving his own Mercedes, was French-Algerian.***
According to Sky tv news, a stolen car with Polish number plates.
Its driver already had quite a police record, and drove through a road-block.
Far from the nice little innocent some reports try to imply.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 2 2023 21:44 utc | 58

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 21:36 utc | 58
You should read the LARB article if you think it’s a simple matter of a man supporting his government (the Nazis) and that his ideas are entirely separate from Nazi ideology and “spiritual anti-semitism.” In fact the latter point is the entire basis of that article. Who can tell which of his writings have been ‘sanitized’ to remove overt Nazism and hatred of “global Jewry”?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 21:44 utc | 59

Regarding biolabs, here’s an interesting video from Poland on the deaths of many cats and dogs recently, apparently they are dying from avian flu hn51.
https://youtu.be/2EQpYVsmqxM

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jul 2 2023 21:47 utc | 60

@Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jul 2 2023 15:15 utc | 10
The problem was that political economy was getting far too good at understanding how the world actually worked, so needed to be split into a gelded economics (the marginal revolution), a stunted politics (studying institutions and endless voter preferences), and a positivist and functionalist sociology. Then in addition an anthropology mainly at the service of elite power (like Obama’s mother in Indonesia). After WW2 there was the creation of a non-historical materialist critical theory that spawned a completely careerist and/or delusional “critical” theory and post-modernism (i.e. post-materialism). The Western academy is a shit-show of delusional and constrained thinking with little connection to the real world.
In the meantime its still about class, and a real critical political economy based on historical materialism is the best way to understand the way the world is. I still find Gramsci to be one of the best at merging materialism and subjectivism while understanding the nature of power in an advanced capitalist society. There is no real separation between politics, economy and civil society, its all one integrated complex overseen by the ruling class.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 2 2023 21:50 utc | 61

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 2 2023 21:44 utc | 60
Ah, you could be right. The impression I was given I got from stories like the one below at BBC (yeah, I know, the BBC) where they said he was a “delivery driver” but in the same article they say he was “too young for a license.” So I was assuming, I guess, that he was rushing to deliver an order and that is why he ran off from the police checkpoint.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66052104
The article appears to have been continually updated without having citations/timestamps, but it does go on to say that while the kid apparently had issues with police checkpoints (need further information on that – why would one person or particular group of people be subject to so many checkpoints? One’s mind is drawn to Israel.) he had no criminal record of convictions. There is no mention of the Mercedes with Polish plates having been reported stolen in that particular report.
So let’s think about this in one possible context. The police habitually harass “Arab” looking populations by subjecting them to intrusive, inconvenient checkpoints. The victim of the shooting in this case was 17 years old and in some ways troubled, but never violent. Our brains – especially as males – are not fully developed at age 17. I ran from some checkpoints (in my case Border Patrol) several times in my youth and always got away (I had a fast car and knew how to drive). But I never endangered anyone’s life or threatened anybody, and it would appear that the same is true in the French case. The car was stopped and an officer shot the unarmed victim point blank. How many times has this happened to white males in France?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 21:52 utc | 62

The car was stopped and an officer shot the unarmed victim point blank. How many times has this happened to white males in France?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 21:52 utc | 64
You are describing an American problem, and want to apply the solution to Europe.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2023 22:07 utc | 63

Re: Nahel M ^^^ being shot in Paris, checkpoints, etc. ^^^ I suppose I’d prefer to wait for all the details to emerge, but now the story is the riots, so oh well. And yes they do appear to have spread to neighboring countries.
Since it’s the O/T and this week the SCOTUS struck down Affirmative Action for college admissions in the USA (but not for military service academies, need that colored cannon fodder!), Yasha Levine posted a link to a previous article of his on the USSR and its history of AA equivalence (The Affirmative Action Empire).
https://yasha.substack.com/p/doing-some-reading-the-affirmative?

In short, Lenin and Stalin always had conflicted view of nationalism. First and foremost, they saw it in terms of strategy. They thought they could appeal to nationalist identity and use a kind of socialist nationalism to undermine the more reactionary types of nationalisms that were being deployed by capitalist forces at the periphery of the Russian Empire. But they still saw nationalism as something bad, but something that would eventually be melted down in a natural process of assimilation into a sort of uniform internationalist socialist mass culture. That was definitely the sense that I got from reading some of Lenin’s early writings on nationalism, especially from his time feuding with the Bund. Trotsky also had similar views.
Obviously, it didn’t work out that way Lenin intended. Nationalism and nationalist identity remained in the Soviet Union. And despite the fact that a uniform Soviet culture and identity was indeed forged, reactionary nationalism got the upper hand. It returned with a vengeance, growing stronger as Soviet ideology grew weaker and weaker. And of course the Cold Warrior Brain Bugs of the United States correctly saw multiculturalism and nationalism as major Soviet weaknesses and did their best to weaponize it to their own ends.
[…]
Let me quote a bit from the introduction of the book:
The Soviet Union was the world’s first Affirmative Action Empire. Russia’s new revolutionary government was the first of the old European multiethnic states to confront the rising tide of nationalism and respond by systematically promoting the national consciousness of its ethnic minorities and establishing for them many of the characteristic institutional forms of the nation-state. The Bolshevik strategy was to assume leadership over what now appeared to be the inevitable process of decolonization and carry it out in a manner that would preserve the territorial integrity of the old Russian empire. To that end, the Soviet state created not just a dozen large national republics, but tens of thousands of national territories scattered across the entire expanse of the Soviet Union. New national elites were trained and promoted to leadership positions in the government, schools, and industrial enterprises of these newly formed territories. In each territory, the national language was declared the official language of government. In dozens of cases, this necessitated the creation of a written language where one did not yet exist. The Soviet state financed the mass production of books, journals, newspapers, movies, operas, museums, folk music ensembles, and other cultural output in the non-Russian languages. Nothing comparable to it had been attempted before, and, with the possible exception of India, no multiethnic state has subsequently matched the scope of Soviet Affirmative Action. This book is devoted to an analysis of this novel and fascinating experiment in governing a multiethnic state. [continues]

With that I’ll bow out. I hate monopolizing these Weekend O/Ts. Seems like during my active hours everyone else is either asleep (probably in Europe and Oceania) or has said their piece and moved on to the Ukraine threads. I’ve got to go mow the lawn in 110F weather and I’m not looking forward to it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 22:11 utc | 64

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 21:44 utc | 61
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 21:36 utc | 58
Who can tell which of his writings have been ‘sanitized’ to remove overt Nazism and hatred of “global Jewry”?
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What’s wrong with him hating ‘global Jewry?’ Global Jewry declared war on Germany in 1933. It would be quite reasonable for any German to hate global Jewry. So what? People every day publicly declare hatred of white people including some on this forum. That’s okay. How come? Different people have different opinions about different things. So what? I personally think you are stupid if you hate someone because of his/her race, or hate a whole race for that matter, but that’s my opinion. Others are free to differ.
Are you going to discuss his philosophy ever or are you only interested in whether or not he is sufficiently kosher, as determined by others whose opinions you seem to respect more than your own, before you think for yourself about he wrote?
(This is not so much addressed to you personally as the issue. As I said before: I think it’s BS.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 22:11 utc | 65

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2023 22:07 utc | 65
Actually I was asking a question. Wikipedia for what it’s worth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nahel_Merzouk
Apparently there is a very similar dynamic of US police not being accountable for violence against ‘civilians’ developing in France. Police unions, new laws granting the equivalent of “Qualified Immunity” and abuse of ethnic minorities.
But no, I’m not a European and would be interested to hear from those in France about how they see these issues.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 22:13 utc | 66

Scorpion, who asks:
What’s wrong with him hating ‘global Jewry?’ Global Jewry declared war on Germany in 1933.
Global Jewry declared war on Germany? Geez, so much to unpack in such a short declaration. As I mentioned I’ve got chores to do so I’ll deflect for the time being (to revisit later) with my own questions:
If Global Jewry declared war on Germany, how many Global Jewish bankers were sent to the concentration camps compared to, say, poor seamstresses or book keepers?
Why did Hitler work with the Zionists?
What IS “Global Jewry”?
BBL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 22:17 utc | 67

Good questions, all of them! So what’s your problem with ‘hating global Jewry’ then?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 22:20 utc | 68

@Patroklos | Jul 2 2023 21:01 utc | 52
Wot? – a thin skinned Ozzi! I always appreciate your comments, though of course there are some things I might dispute/quibble/wish to clarify etc but we can’t spend all day here and you are right to prioritise your time. One can speculate about the motives for the dialog sabotage that goes on and who the perpertrators are … but remember one adolescent with attitude and a keyboard can make a mess. And so can adolescents at the other end of the age spectrum! Nothing like triggering people!
When the short ‘gay’ threads appear, I chuckle, but could they have chased away the valuble PeterAU1? and it does seem to be upsetting our mildmannered* Canadian (Oh happy day, 2 days ago).
For you Patroklos, PeterAU1 and others across the ditch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxyzIC4hQvg
*however, looking back on the comments I attribute my subsequent use of profanity to your early comments!

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2023 22:23 utc | 69

I’ve got to go mow the lawn in 110F weather and I’m not looking forward to it.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 22:11 utc | 66

Send that 110f weather over here please. The grass is always greener…

Posted by: GT Stroller | Jul 2 2023 22:27 utc | 70

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2023 22:17 utc | 69
Why did Hitler work with the Zionists?
What IS “Global Jewry”?
BBL
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Am no expert on Adolf. Subject cannot be approached objectively (true of most leaders in history but especially him).
He worked with the Zionists to help Jewish people have a nation of their own instead of always being subversive minorities in other peoples’ countries. Most of the camps were work camps designed to help mainly middle class Jews become prepared to live in their own country meaning a high percentage of them would need to do manual work as in all other nations throughout history.
Global Jewry? I don’t know. I seem to recall A.H. talking about ‘international financial Jewry’ as his main object of ire. Not without reason. The real scandal is that, according to some, he was the grandson of a Rothchild (or some such) and financed secretly by Jews all along and maybe became a British agent during his brief visit to London and so on ad infinitum.
Whatever good he did as Chancellor in the 30’s is politically incorrect to analyze – at least not in the public square where we mainly dwell. Everything he did is touched with his presumed psychotic evil and that’s that.
I don’t know exactly what happened back then, but organized political Jewry is no innocent little virgin making the virtual taboo against criticizing them the biggest hypocrisy of all certainly dwarfing anything Heidegger’s son does in relation to his muckraked father.
More importantly, it damages our societies by hindering our ability to have open discussions about needed changes. They should be criticized more, not less, but without endless harping on and on and on about what may have happened eighty years ago in Poland. At the very least, they should stop imposing their taboos on other peoples’ societies. That’s what Israel was for: to give them their own country to manage instead of interfering in everybody else’s!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 22:31 utc | 71

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 22:11 utc | 67
The “Jews declaring war on Germany” is a load of crap, aiming to justify the malignant criminality of the Nazis. Indeed, as the current Neo-Hitlerite anti-Russian propaganda also demonstrates, this is the typical modus operandi of genocidal racism: you accuse the targeted group of horrific fictional crimes to justify against said group horrific actual crimes. That’s it.
This is why it is obvious that the lying scum who come up with all sorts of horrors committed by the Russian forces in Ukraine, all totally unverified (except when there are verified falsehoods, as in the Bucha massacre or in the vast list of freakish, made up rapes), basically project their own genocidal racist hatred of the Russians. Ditto for the Syrians and any other people who defy western supremacism and domination, an act which is tantamount to world-breaking blasphemy for the weatern globalists.
And to terminate any thought that the anti-Semitic ravings of the German nationalists/Nazis came well before 1933, where the imaginary declaration of war against Germany by the “world Jewry” supposedly took place. Vinberg, Rosenberg, Hitler in Mein Kampf, the “Stab in the back” legend, etc., all came up before Hitler’s rise to power. The confrontation with the world Jewry” he envisioned was a self-fulfilled prophecy and insane fantasy of ultra-nationalist vermin who couldn’t stomach the loss of a dominant position in the world. Just like their ideological heirs – despite the liberal sugarcoating – today.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2023 22:32 utc | 72

That Asia Times article on AI/Chatbots has been shared widely on Twitter, but is behind a paywall… I think most of the people who share it haven’t bothered reading beyond the single paragraph available (even the WSJ, FT and NYT let one read more).

Posted by: Platonov | Jul 2 2023 22:44 utc | 73

@constantine. Do a google image search on ‘Judea declares war on Germany.’ It was headlines all over the Western press.
As to the rest, fair enough. As I said earlier, I think people should be free to form their own opinions. I find all atrocity propaganda largely atrocious, both for those promulgating it as well as those hearing or reading it, but that’s just me.
But one little point: don’t you find it interesting at least that Jewish oligarchs resurrected Ukrainian nationalists as anti-Russians AND as Nazis? Obviously it was a red flag to the Russians designed to inflame them.
Or: it was offered to Russia so that her leader, Putin, would have an easier time persuading his nation that war was justified, a war they very much wanted Russia to enjoin.
In other words, these recently incarnated Nazi identities, funded by Jewish oligarchs in Ukraine (no doubt working with neocon-inspired CIA operatives) were deliberately resuscitated zombies from the graveyards of WW II for effect. And yet everyone takes it at face value and nobody deplores the utter hypocrisy and deplorable values displayed in so doing.
This whole way of using hatred as a fuel for persuasion is morally indefensible. And as far as I can tell, all sides do it. The Germans did it against the Russians and vice versa. The English against the Germans and earlier on the English against the French, or the Spanish against the indigenos, or the Koreans against the Japanese, the Japanese against the Chinese, the Chinese against the Mongols or Tibetans, the Mongols against the Chinese or Hungarians, the Romans against the Celtoi-Barbarians….
and so on ad infinitum. Some people have made an art about nursing historical grievance and guilt-tripping people about it. It’s shameful BS perpetrated by people without honour.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 22:45 utc | 74

“..and so on ad infinitum. Some people have made an art about nursing historical grievance and guilt-tripping people about it. It’s shameful BS perpetrated by people without honour.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 22:45 utc | 76”
Enough of this of this anti-semitism! A fatwa upon you!
remember though – anti-semitic is anti-semantic!

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2023 23:05 utc | 75

@Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 21:29 utc | 57
Your White Man exceptionalism keeps showing. China owes her success to adopting western ways? So now industrialization is a patented trademark of the west? What rubbish. How do you account for the countless scores of countries still mired in abject poverty despite being a client of the west? Your ignorance of China and specifically, the history of the Communist movement under Mao is sorely evident. Granted, being isolated from foreign markets and more importantly, from large sums of foreign direct investments, stunted China’s growth — BUT the groundwork was laid for China’s meteoric rise under the PRC. With help from the Soviets starting in the 1950’s, China launched well over 150 industrial projects. And get this, China focused on heavy industries like energy, metallurgy, machinery, chemistry, and national defense. This, in fact, is the basis for the depth of China’s supply chain which is without equal. And, even when you factor in rising labor costs, corporations will be hard put to decouple.
https://www.guancha.cn/YaoYang/2023_07_01_699057.shtml

Posted by: Jun | Jul 2 2023 23:12 utc | 76

remember though – anti-semitic is anti-semantic!
Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2023 23:05 utc | 77
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Good on, and fair enough Hobo, I had that coming.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 2 2023 23:17 utc | 77

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 22:45 utc | 76
Under no circumstances is the Holocaust an excuse for the various scum of Jewish extraction to engage in their boundless criminality. Blinken, Albright, Kolomoisky, the core of the neocons, parasites like Soros and Henri-Levy etc. are not given absolution because the Jewish communities suffered persecution throughout the centuries.
Now it is true that the historical Calvary of the Jews has been weaponized by the Anglo-American empire to promote its hideous imperialist goals. Thus, right-wing British Jewish rabbis condemned China for the fraudulent genocide of the Uygurs, utilizing the Holocaust as extra ammunition. May they rot in hell for their craven servitude to the Anglo-American regime in whose behest they vomitted shamelessly these falsehoods.
And of course, those Jews who oppose the empire and the globalist project in general are treated in reverse. Thus, the Trump administration may hound Max Blumenthal for his opposition to Trump’s criminal effort to strangle Venezuela and overthrow the Bolivarian government (that was when the US seized the Venezuelan embassy in Washington for Guaido) and nobody would make a fuss for this act of persecution (he was taken in by a SWAT team as “armed and dangerous” without owning any firearms). That can be said for the entire Grayzone project, for Glenn Greenwald (a married homosexual at that)and plenty of others. In short, if you’re not for the empire, your minority credentials are revoked before you can blink…
None of that is any excuse for the anti-Semitic ravings of the Germans (as well as other co-ideologues), who had already adopted their worldview and decided to treat the Russki Slavs as the lower-grade humans to be colonized, already before the Russian Revolution. After 1917, the existence of a state that denounced the concept of a racial and colonialist hierarchy and promoted a mixed economy where the “commanding heights of the economy”, i.e. the source of power of the ruling oligarchies, would be owned by the national/multi-national government, was a sacrilege for the dominant western powers and for German nationalists a good excuse to justify their horrific goals in the east, as they were expounded in Mein Kampf. They felt their anti-Semitism was validated.
All the rest about religious freedoms, the defense of the european/western civilization (already under attack by the also fictitious Yellow Peril) etc. were a load of sanctimonious claptrap to justify a murderous form of colonialsim. Then as now (human rights, democracy, LGBT freedoms etc.).

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2023 23:23 utc | 78

But one little point: don’t you find it interesting at least that Jewish oligarchs resurrected Ukrainian nationalists as anti-Russians AND as Nazis? Obviously it was a red flag to the Russians designed to inflame them.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 22:45 utc | 76
The identification of Ukrainian nationalism with Nazism stems from the events of the ’40s and the adoption of the Ukro-Nazis by the US. It goes further back with the creation of this nationalist concept among the Rusyn by the German/Austrian imperial authorities. As the Austrian Jew Joseph Roth said in 1930, “Ukrainian nationalism is a German invention”.
None of that was “reinvented by Jewish oligarchs”. This ignores completely the US policy immediately after WWII and during the Cold War.
The Anglo-Americans and the post-Soviet local oligarchs, Jews or otherwise, took over the pre-existing material and worked with it. It had all the appropriate qualities for their goals.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2023 23:35 utc | 79

Constantine- Thank you.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2023 0:04 utc | 80

(1). The problem is that Heidegger’s ideas cannot be discussed because there is always someone going to bring in how he supported Hitler and therefore everything he says must be denounced lest you be labelled an anti-semite.
(2). It’s BS. There’s nothing wrong with a German supporting his government.
(3). Heidegger had much to contribute to world thought and wisdom. Unfortunately, it is often obscured by self-serving tribal propaganda which lowers all of us and our societies.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 21:36 utc | 58
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(1). The problem is that Heidegger’s ideas cannot be discussed because there is always someone going to bring in how he supported Hitler.
For most people, that’s a good enough reason to ignore him, even if he was smarter that God himself?
(2). There’s nothing wrong with a German supporting his government.
Un less you are referring to a Nazi fascist government that kills millions of innocent men, women, and children. I don’t support Biden’s proxy war against Russia in Ukraine for the same reason: the war wasn’t necessary, and it should be opposed.
(3). Heidegger had much to contribute to world thought and wisdom.
So, pray tell, what great and wonderful things did the Nazi loving Philosopher have to say, that someone else couldn’t convey to us as well, without the Nazi baggage. I admit I know little about his philosophy, and that is probably because I read his biographical Sketch.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 3 2023 0:11 utc | 81

Biden to go to the UK, will meet with the King (and Sunak, plus stops in Lithuania and Finland). Hallelujah.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66081123

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 3 2023 0:35 utc | 82

Posted by: Jun | Jul 2 2023 23:12 utc | 78
@Scorpion | Jul 2 2023 21:29 utc | 57
Your White Man exceptionalism keeps showing. China owes her success to adopting western ways? So now industrialization is a patented trademark of the west? What rubbish.
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I see. So they don’t all walk around in western-style suits and ties? They don’t have roads, automobiles, toilets, telephones and all that stuff? It’s traditional equipment invented during the Han dynasty, is it then?
Look: just about all countries in the world with any gumption have joined the modern world. Some are being unfairly exploited or suppressed by bad actors, yes, but those who can have gone modern (and Xi in one of his latest grand speeches went on and on about how modernization is his main priority because it’s such a very GOOD thing). And the modern way, whether you like to admit it or not (because of hatred of the white perhaps?) was essentially birthed by the British and Europeans and Americans in something called ‘the industrial revolution.’ If you aren’t familiar, I suggest looking it up!
I can’t remember what the original point was, but it’s similar to the Heidegger business: we can’t discuss Heidegger’s thoughts because he was a Nazi. Full stop. End of story. But it’s not that simple: why do people feel compelled to chime in with that every time? What are they trying to prove? That they are right-thinking people? Or protecting the world from evil by speech-policing? What?
Frankly, I find all this obsession, not to mention nervousness, with race and Nazis proof of just how brainwashed we all are!! The question is: who is doing the brainwashing to whom? Are we victims of a nefarious tribal plot? Or are we all mindless cowards brainwashing each other? (Probably a bit of both, eh?) I’ve been alive for almost seventy years, lived in many different countries and only rarely met racism. Natural distrust or dislike of how someone looks, including racially? Sure. So what? Small people might be frightened of big people, women of men, blacks of white or bla bla bla. The concern here is trying to get people to think and behave a certain way and it seems in every population there is a solid majority of people who like being told how to think and behave and even enjoy policing people who don’t think and say the right things. They don’t actually care about any of these issues, you see. They just care about appearing to be virtuous.
Or: is the fact that if you say the wrong thing you can be arrested reasonable grounds for such nervousness and you are concerned for the wrong-thinker’s well-being? In which case, what does that say about our so-called democracies with their bills of rights and freedom of speech? And since they obviously aren’t what they are cracked up to be, then who or what is really in charge?
Or are you satisfied with trying to triumphantly prove that someone who says something politically incorrect is obviously mentally ill or whatever whilst deliberately misunderstanding anything substantive he might have said?
In any case, congratulations: the original point is gone and forgotten, which was my original objection about the Heidegger business.
Who I have never read, actually. Why? Because all I ever heard about him is that he is a filthy Nazi scum who shouldn’t be read!! (I’m not joking, that IS why I never read him. I wouldn’t mind checking him out, but he’s too low down on a too long list, but that’s beside the point.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 3 2023 1:51 utc | 83

Posted by: Ed | Jul 3 2023 0:11 utc | 83
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(1). The problem is that Heidegger’s ideas cannot be discussed because there is always someone going to bring in how he supported Hitler.
For most people, that’s a good enough reason to ignore him, even if he was smarter that God himself?
A. So who cares about ‘most people?’ Is that your criterion for forming an opinion, that it conform to what ‘most people’ think? And do you think it’s perfectly fine for yourself, presumably being a part of ‘most people,’ to ignore somebody’s work simply because ‘most people’ say you should?
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(2). There’s nothing wrong with a German supporting his government.
Un less you are referring to a Nazi fascist government that kills millions of innocent men, women, and children. I don’t support Biden’s proxy war against Russia in Ukraine for the same reason: the war wasn’t necessary, and it should be opposed.
A. Well, that’s really not for you to say. You are not German. You were not alive back then. The Nazis prevented Heidegger from publishing and he didn’t like them much after they had been in power for a while. But in his notebooks he said bad things about Jews. There are many bad things one can say about Jews, just as there are many bad things one can say about Nazis. Both are reported to have murdered millions, the Jews in the 30’s and the Nazis in the 40’s. Some people say that one or both of the stories are false; others passionately disagree. Facts and figures abound on all sides of such contentious issues. But you have decided that ‘most people’ know best. Yeah, like most people know that Pearl Harbour was a surprise attack. And that the vaccines in 2021 prevented infection and spreading. And that Biden won the election fair and square. Most people know a whole heckuva lot of wrong things. How do you know they didn’t get this wrong too? Do you know? Or do you just trust ‘most people?’
Especially after covid, I have a much lower respect for most people than I used to. I used to think that most people got it right most of the time but every once in a while get fooled by a ‘Big Lie’ (like the surprise attack at Pearl Harbour fabrication). Now I think that most of the time people have it all wrong but every once in a long while they get it right (no examples come to mind except possibly Trump’s election, though I don’t feel comfortable with that one). What have most people got right of late? Gee………….
But whether or not you support Biden, that’s sounds peachy to me (either way).
(3). Heidegger had much to contribute to world thought and wisdom.
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So, pray tell, what great and wonderful things did the Nazi loving Philosopher have to say, that someone else couldn’t convey to us as well, without the Nazi baggage. I admit I know little about his philosophy, and that is probably because I read his biographical Sketch.
A. You and me both, bud. As I mentioned above, I never read him because of all the stuff I heard. Now that I might like to, he is not high enough on the list. But his Being and Time written in 1927 before there were any Nazis in the mix, and for which I believe he is most famous, might be a place to start. Alexander Dugin references ‘dasein’ (being-here-ness) as an important principle which might help us create better civilizations in the future now that the reductionist materialist ones from the industrial revolution, following their destruction of feudal and religious polities, seems to have run its course. Of course, you might object: because ‘most people’ know that Alexander Dugin has had some critical things to say about Jews, and therefore he must be avoided at all costs, lest we too catch the antisemantic disease …
It might be worth reading the first chapter of that influential work before forming an opinion based only on what you believe vaguely ‘most people’ think – especially given that ‘most people’ – if they have heard of him at all – have never actually read what he wrote and probably wouldn’t find it of interest even if they did! And yet they WILL pile on if anyone references him because as ‘most people’ know: he’s a stinkin’ Nazi as bad as all the Jewish Oligarch and Jewish neocon funded Nazis in Ukraine whom ‘most people’ support, but in this case, since we are on the MoA forum, we know that ‘most people’ in this case are wrong, though in most cases they are right, especially when it comes to Heidegger who wrote a philosophical bestseller 96 years ago but later on wrote nasty things in his notebooks about Jews and so all his work must be forever blacklisted.
This is what we have come to…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 3 2023 2:22 utc | 84

ZH has a posting up with the title
Musk’s Tweet-Limiting Move Is To Prevent The Completion Of The “AI-Censorship-Death-Star”
This is a fairly balanced read from what I know…..interesting times indeed

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 3 2023 2:54 utc | 85

In the Holocaust that was WW2, two ethnonational groups suffered far greater losses than those professing the Hebrew faith: Chinese and Slavs. Chinese losses are airbrushed from history texts and the Slavs numbers are mumbled at best. This isn’t meant to belittle any of the 60 odd million that died; rather, it’s to point to the fact that others died in far greater numbers than those who worshiped Yahweh. If a Holocaust is to be acknowledged to have occurred during WW2, it must include everyone, not just be limited to one rather small group in comparison to others.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2023 3:45 utc | 86

Send that 110f weather over here please. The grass is always greener…
Posted by: GT Stroller | Jul 2 2023 22:27 utc | 72
Wow, Are you in Dubai or something? I guess you are right if so. Grass is always greener… I should have mentioned 110F and 100% humidity for a “real feel” of something like 120F. But it did cloud over around 5:30 CDT here in Texas and that made the lawn mowing much more pleasant, at least not having to be in full direct sunlight. I should note I grew up in Southern Arizona and far West Texas where the temperature routinely hit 115F, but it’s a DRY HEAT!.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 3 2023 4:16 utc | 87

How a reckless report could increase the chance of a crisis with China
A new study from the Council on Foreign Relations on US Taiwan policy is both dangerous and misleading

Sick of the globe spanning gardenist BS factories, we come to the bar to seek refuge and an alternate view.
Only to be lectured by the resident prof of philosophistry…

ROC claimed Taiwan after overthrowing Qin dynasty / The Emperor. before PRC even existed. The PRC defeated the ROC in a civil war but never took and held Taiwan. In short, they have no claim. OR: IF ROC has no claim to Taiwan, then PRC has no claim to mainland and the Qin Dynasty should be re-established, which is never going to happen even if it were possible at this point.
Your questions are framed to imply that Taiwan/ ROC broke away from PRC and/or is making a claim for independence from within PRC jurisdiction. That is simply not the case. Fact is that if China walked the sovereignty talk they are preaching with their ally Putin they would recognize Taiwan as a sovereign, independent neighbor and move on. But they do not, moreover they bully other nations not to recognize the ROC, not to have ambassadors, not to put them on maps, not to make financial arrangements. In short, they act like regional hegemons (don’t forget Tibet decades ago and up until the present) and therefore total hypocrites when they lecture the US.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 23 2022 20:17 utc | 217

The scorpion must be under some rocks all these years , afaik, gardenists are the ones giving out gratuitous sermons left and right , especially to China.
uncle sham is of cause their proselytizer in chief.
China is having it up to here.. and start talking back.
Basic confucius ethics…
Its rude not to return a favor.
As for China ‘bullying’ other countries to stay away from TW.
Some time I wonder is English the first language of these ‘wn’?
Had it been China who emboldened and supply arms to Hawaii separatists, for example, the USAss might even send a missile down Xi’s chute without giving prior warning !
In blaming the victim,
The scorpion is classic bandit crying robbery
Where’s this scorpion when uncle sham, the bully in chief, was issuing diktats to friends and foes, ..
stay away from China or else‘ ?
uNDEr some rocks perhaps !
With barfly like this, who needs the CIA ?
https://tinyurl.com/mrxmburn
From this alone, its clear where he’s coming from.
ITS now acting as if he owns the bar. !

Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2023 4:23 utc | 88

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 2 2023 21:01 utc | 52
The only folk who are allowed to be feisty with Aussies are kiwis, Patroklos, (and nota bene that I capitalized the former and didn’t the latter.) I didn’t ever feel drawn to switch nationalities between our countries, but I’ve enjoyed your contributions, especially some of the recent ones.
So, don’t be a stranger. Your screen name is a lovely one, bespeaking as it does what we westerners should all understand is going on within Homer’s epics and read or reread them over and over for what they tell us about ourselves. We all come at things differently, and the commentariat goes through some stretches of malignant spirit — it’s how the world is and we reflect that, even if we don’t live up to the Homeric ideals or solve the world’s problems, plumb its mysteries.
Let’s all be modest, take a stab at it now and then, be thankful; there’s a lot to be thankful for. The nasties seem to have to change their names a lot; thanks for keeping yours. Seems to me, your namesake thought his dear friend wasn’t seeing his role as he should — so then, there is that change in Achilleus, and so it goes all the way to the underworld and what happens there. No easy answers, just greatness of soul in fallible mortals, even ones whose mothers are divine.
Maybe a youngster, coming here, will pick up a tattered copy of ‘The Iliad’, not be satisfied until they’ve tackled ‘The Odyssey’ as well. I think the verse versions are best,[I started with Lattimore] if they are readable – thrift stores sometimes have them. And Plato – know yourself before you presume to criticize another…be as polite as Confucius here. East — West; home’s best.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2023 4:46 utc | 89

I meant to first thank b for including in this week’s review that Biden document withholding certain facts about the Kennedy assassination, a pivotal event in my own young adulthood, shattering in so many ways. It won’t achieve clarity in my lifetime, if we have no leadership on the matter.
…Not for us are content,
or quiet peace of mind,
for we go seaking cities
that we shall never find…

Thank you, b.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2023 5:09 utc | 90

Sorry — seeking

Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2023 5:11 utc | 91

..The only folk who are allowed to be feisty with Aussies are kiwis, ..
Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2023 4:46 utc | 92
.
What about England’s cricket team and supporters….?

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 3 2023 5:22 utc | 92

Before I go, thanks also to Grieved for explaining the sitting by the river Buddhist quotation. Many of us would not realize its depth of meaning, just as we puzzle over trees falling in forests and a single hand clapping… it is a different mindset that is needed, had me thinking about enlightenment having a different meaning depending on a person’s … I want to say ‘inclination.’
I will leave it at that.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2023 5:23 utc | 93

-The press is part of the problem. Journalists lie, usually by omission.
– The law does not help, in that any meaningful discussion can be sued.
– And when the US solves problems, things get worse.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 3 2023 5:28 utc | 94

Scorpion # 19:25 utc | 38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTAxYheSns
Lovely sound and undersea creatures, son et lumiere….

Superb, thank you.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2023 6:21 utc | 95

https://tinyurl.com/mrxmburn
From this alone, its clear where he’s coming from. ITS now acting as if he owns the bar. !
Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2023 4:23 utc | 91

…my original objection about the Heidegger business. Who I have never read, actually. Why? Because all I ever heard about him is that he is a filthy Nazi scum who shouldn’t be read!! (I’m not joking, that IS why I never read him. I wouldn’t mind checking him out, but he’s too low down on a too long list, but that’s beside the point.) Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 3 2023 1:51 utc | 86[my emphasis]

“Who I have never read, actually.” Indeed!
How in hell can somone have so much to say about someone they have never read?
You are correct denk, he’s now acting as if he owns the bar.
While here I thank Ed, Constantine, Jun and karlof1 for your comments. Oh, and of course denk too.
Also a word to Patroklos – Thanks for your input over the years. If you really cease commenting it will be to the detriment of the bar.
I’ll reprise a limerick you may have missed:

There was a wise Marxist from Ozland,
Whose comments were surely not offhand.
He gave them much thought
And I think that they ought
To be read and not have them panned.

Carry on, mate. Best!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 3 2023 6:21 utc | 96

So it doesn’t take a much to draw a line from the news that amerika’s envoy for Iran Rob Malley has had his security clearance suspended while the envoy is under investigation for a security breach ie leak and the other two Iran stories b has linked to about secret amerika/Iran talks.
The real issue is whether the investigation is about the secret talks or whether the leak of these talks is obfuscation by an administration looking for cover & distraction from another more serious leak. For example if the illegal administrators of occupied Palestine have been getting secretly kept in the loop about all amerika/Iran negotiations via blackmail or bribery.
There is no way of knowing which right now, but I’m sure time will tell us.
I favour the latter alternative as the zionists crude methods know no bounds and as well the news has recently surfaced that former PM. former Mossad boss & former confidante of pedo king epstein, Ehud Barak is currently in deep shit with nuttyahoo.
I reckon something may have gone really bad in the zionists’ intelligence operation and we are witnessing the surface ripples of something much deeper & much direr.
Like I said above, time will tell, still one thing is for sure that is although the current zionist oppression is even more brutal to Palestinians, there is no doubt that it is less effective and appears to chiefly revolve around reaction rather than the pro-active brutality of times past.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 3 2023 6:25 utc | 97

Patroklos # 21:01 utc | 52
Thank you and I appreciate your weariness of the hate and demeaning nonsense. I too have seen that weariness feeling arise in me so have tended to be the quiet observer and adding some gem from time to time. Scorpion graced our space today with Arvo Part which was a welcome balm.
Stay well brother and it is good to meet another Aussie in our sparse landscape.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2023 6:40 utc | 98

Re: Police Killings in the US
The US has a shocking level of Police extra-judicial killing of innocents. Our Police has been trained to treat the citizenry as a hostile alien population. It’s horrifying when one steps back and looks at the situation dispassionately.
One tidbit – ten or so years ago, one San Diego Policeman had killed 5 people extrajudicially; yet still remain on the beat !?!?!?!
Some independent journalism:
Lancet article on massive under reporting of Police killings – ‘ The findings are staggering: around 30 000 people died from police violence between 1980 and 2018. The NVSS omitted approximately 17 100 deaths, leading to an under-reporting of deaths attributable to police violence by more than 55%’
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02145-0/fulltext
Independent Database using news articles ( significant undercounting but still useful) <\b>
https://policeviolencereport.org/
photography is not a crime <\b> independent database of systemic and heinous police crimes – rape, assasination, vengeance murders, and similar Shutdown by authorities after a more than decade long run.
https://pinacnews.com/
A typical extrajudicial killing: article plus 18+ video horrifying
https://www.gawker.com/5825010/police-beat-gentle-homeless-mentally-ill-man-to-death

Posted by: Exile | Jul 3 2023 6:58 utc | 99

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 2 2023 21:01 utc | 52
Speaking for myself, I appreciate your contributions in the blog. Cool down as long as you will, but you should consider posting your well-thought comments whenever you feel to.
From a frequent visitor though a very infrequent poster. Thanks.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 3 2023 6:58 utc | 100