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July 24, 2023
The Failed State Effort Of Indicting Trump

The effort Biden's Justice Department puts into preventing the leader of its opposition from gaining another presidency has reached an insane level.

As Inquiries Compound, Justice System Pours Resources Into Scrutinizing TrumpNY Times – Jul 23, 2023

Jack Smith, the special counsel overseeing criminal investigations into former President Donald J. Trump, employs 40 to 60 career prosecutors, paralegals and support staff, augmented by a rotating cast of F.B.I. agents and technical specialists, according to people familiar with the situation.

In his first four months on the job, starting in November, Mr. Smith’s investigation incurred expenses of $9.2 million. That included $1.9 million to pay the U.S. Marshals Service to protect Mr. Smith, his family and other investigators who have faced threats after the former president and his allies singled them out on social media.

At this rate, the special counsel is on track to spend about $25 million a year.

With that budget and the brainpower of such a large staff one could find fault with anyone and indict any person for whatever without much problems.

If this would happen in a foreign democracy that is not friendly with the U.S. the State Department and various think tanks would be outraged about such anti-democratic behavior. It would be explained as a sign that the state in question is falling apart.

The main driver of all these efforts and their concurrent expenses is Mr. Trump’s own behavior — his unwillingness to accept the results of an election as every one of his predecessors has done, his refusal to heed his own lawyers’ advice and a grand jury’s order to return government documents and his lashing out at prosecutors in personal terms.

That all might be a bit outrageous but what is actual criminal with it? The government documents are back to where they are supposed to be and none were reportedly of any great significance. So why still make such a fuzz about them?

Seen from the outside U.S. internal politics now look like a bad reality show. This is not the self confident behavior of an elite of the sole  superpower the U.S. still pretends to be.

There is a theory that the U.S. is undergoing some form of sovietization with a similar accumulation of defects and inefficiencies as occurred in the U.S.S.R. before it fell apart.

I am not sure that it is the case, but many significant factors – transportation, public service, health, education, industry, policies – now look worse to me than I remember them to be.

Comments

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 17:45 utc | 72
The seeds of today’s internal destruction were sown back in 1787, and the first fruits from that poison plant were harvested in 1913 and have nurtured the Class that gained control in 1787 ever since.
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Great post. Nice to see you are still in form.
Maybe you covered this years ago and regard it as old hat but I for one would appreciate a solid article reviewing the main skeins of US history this way – brief but over-arching. Because I suspect that what we are seeing unfolding today was preordained in the original constitution, in both its structure and process. During the month in closed session, what were the main arguments, which ones prevailed, which lost – or was the result a compromise that betrayed the interests of both (or more) sides? More importantly, what did they set up to prevent what has happened, namely oligarchic or ‘rule by the rich’ capture which presumably was one of their prime concerns? Or did they want something that would result in rule by the wealthy?
This will help us better understand not only what’s unfolding today in America better, but also what works and doesn’t work in putting together nation states generally. We decapitated the monarchies and defenestrated the landed aristocracies and replaced it all with…. what exactly?
It’s more than just words like ‘democracy’ and ‘republics;’ they are complex living societies, or systems, with many moving parts. The principles governing and manifesting those parts existed within the old orders we tore down and will remain after this current dysfunctional one has been replaced.
But how well do we see and understand such fundamental principles in human social organization? (And how much of our understanding is blinkered by scientific materialism and other spiritual obfuscations making our perceptions of such fundamentals deeply flawed?)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 19:00 utc | 101

Couple of things: Every election is “stolen.” From the get-go we are only allowed to vote for certain pre-approved candidates. Even Trump passed their initial screening; he just didn’t have the consensus support from the D.C. elites once he got elected. My personal opinion is that it was precisely because he was not “hawkish” enough on Russia (and of course the Dems/Beltway elites/security state swamp needed to cover for the Biden Crime Family’s actions in Ukraine), but after installing right wing reactionaries on the SCOTUS, indicting Assange and assassinating Gen. Soleimani I could never vote for him in remotely good conscience.
For another thing: https://blackboxvoting.org/fraction-magic-video/ (also see the rest of their stories – Unfortunately Bev Harris had to step away for a while that happened to coincide with Trump’s regime and I don’t think anyone has been doing much there since.)
For still another thing we don’t have democracy. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/07/has-western-democracy-now-failed/ (Murray addresses the Borg’s many attempted take-downs of Trump as well).
In any election other than city council or my state representative, I have lost any desire to cast a vote. It’s a joke. I suppose if my wife insists on visiting the polling place next election day, I may give Cornell West a vote just to hurt Biden or whatever worthless puppets the GOP and Dems have on the ballot. However, I can’t trust the system anyway, so probably not.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 24 2023 19:02 utc | 102

“Impotent rage”.

Posted by: CD Waller | Jul 24 2023 19:05 utc | 103

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 24 2023 16:32 utc | 34 and Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 17:45 utc | 72
Great comments. Thanks. Couldn’t agree more.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 24 2023 19:06 utc | 104

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 24 2023 18:28 utc | 92
more word salad, in support of some vague notion about the working class being “obsolete”. tell it to the people working 2 jobs and living in their cars.
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Yes, but do they identify as ‘working class?’ In American parlance people holding down jobs are usually nowadays called ‘middle class.’
A few years ago I took a ferry over to Northern Island. Most of the passengers were large, burly miner-types. They sat together, hardly saying a word the entire passage, and left together, with powerful group presence throughout. That’s what I mean by ‘working class.’ What you describe is fragmented individuals scurrying around desperately trying to make ends meet; and most of the ones in your example are living in cars because they have no place, they are rootless far from family and community of birth. Such are not the base for any sustained political movement or revolution, sorry and all too real as their situation may be. Which was the point being made.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 19:17 utc | 105

Not sure if all of that is true, but it’s insightful and interesting. What does lead to aristocracy*, pray?
* aristocracy means ‘rule by the best,’ so not necessarily a decadent Lord Fontleroy latter-day European hereditary ‘aristocracy.’
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 18:11 utc | 83
It doesn’t matter the political system really, but generally monarchies lead to aristocracy.
And aristocracy means rule by the executive court, and wealthy classes who have influence in that court. Bureaucracy means rule by government workers.
What you describe is “meritocracy”, a pie in the sky system, where the most competent rule, which ignores the realities of corruption, nepotism, and the survival instinct of those in power to sabotage any underneath them. This challenge can be either directly, or passively simply by more competent. The superior will try to stop them either way.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 19:24 utc | 106

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 19:00 utc | 10.. It’s more than just words like ‘democracy’ and ‘republics;’ they are complex living societies, or systems, with many moving parts. The principles governing and manifesting those parts existed within the old orders we tore down and will remain after this current dysfunctional one has been replaced.
But how well do we see and understand such fundamental principles in human social organization? (And how much of our understanding is blinkered by scientific materialism and other spiritual obfuscations making our perceptions of such fundamentals deeply flawed?)
Thanks for .. it’s a good actual part of thinking today that “we” all are have to be thinking of.
Thanks – But pls think also of “our” and the ebemies dead soldiers – Why that is necessary?
Each day, hundreds of mis-used Soldiers – on either side – are killed !
Thinking here about those infos also today – every eve today ?
So at You:
Kill the persons being given the commands on either side, to kill Soödiers even by a new CLUSTER ammunition- I’ve once felt on-ground.
Then You’ve changed Your politicqal standing ?
Then take a waepon whatever Media or Kalash. – not more not less. Be strong – the RF-Guys on front are loosing today – more & more – beleive? –> evaluate the front öine state!

Posted by: spare_truth | Jul 24 2023 19:24 utc | 107

Documents produced by the executive branch have always been the property of the executive for whom they were produced. This has never really been disputed. In fact, they had to pass a Presidential Records Act to ensure presidents didn’t take all the documents and leave the government with nothing. Notice that the PRA isn’t mentioned once in the Documents indictment – a clear signal that they’re creating a theory to bring Trump down. And when you look under the hood, the theory is even more sinister: that the deep state gets to determine ownership of government documents and that the executive is under the authority of the deep state. This was Vindman’s theory when he complained that Trump’s foreign policy was counter to the will of the interagency, and this is the Deep State’s theory of government. The US constitution says otherwise: “the executive power shall reside in the president.”

Posted by: dyahac | Jul 24 2023 19:28 utc | 108

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 24 2023 16:32 utc | 34
On second reading perhaps I do take a couple of slight exceptions to my original “couldn’t agree more” comment.
The UPS strike cannot possibly shut down the economy. Unless Fedex, Amazon and USPS workers join in out of solidarity, the existence of Amazon alone will prevent major change, which is exactly what Jeff Bezos the billionaire and his near-monopoly was put in place to accomplish. If the government cared about monopoly abuses, there would be monthly legislation and enforcement action against Amazon (and Google, etc.).
Even the longshoremen have been mostly neutered. Yes they can shut down the ports and that will cause major pain, but no significant or lasting concern to the RC/billionaires. Inflation will take its toll on the working class as the result of scarcity (everything from China and our other child labor colonies being already backed up at the ports), but the likes of Bezos and anyone else selling cheap plastic garbage will merely see their net worth decrease by a few tens of millions or a billion dollars. It’s nothing to them.
Perhaps a major stop-work strike across all of the blue collar and “service” sectors would work.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 24 2023 19:29 utc | 109

Posted by: Jmaas | Jul 24 2023 18:22 utc | 89
* aristocracy means ‘rule by the best,’
As for why aristocracy happens, it is in the interest of the powerful to collude, thus they do and power consolidates.
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Well, that is what usually happens, but I don’t believe that is the original intent behind the meaning of the word ‘aristocracy.’ You are equating right with might (‘power’). There are other value systems which would define the good or ‘what is right’ differently.
Obviously, this is not an easy thing to get right. But presumably it has been done, and so presumably we could find our way forward to doing it in these times – for the times always are a-changing and with them so must cultures and polities. Because I think one thing is probably true: in any good society, there will be leaders and thus some sort of leadership class constituting an ‘aristocracy.’ How those leaders arise and the degree to which they are hereditary or not as in the old Chinese mandarin system for example, depends on that society. But one way or another a good society is going to end up with good people in leadership positions, both locally and nationally.
How one gets there is a wide open question but perhaps because of our ingrained prejudice against the old hereditary orders which were deposed only a few generations ago, aristocracy is not something we are willing to explore. Maybe in this zeitgest our technocrats imagine they can make good societies without good citizens and good leaders but simply with some sort of well-programmed mechanical AI system which will automatically ensure that messy humans cannot corrupt it and we can have a whole load of bad people living in what will nevertheless be a good society. Maybe that’s part of the thinking behind the Reset business one good effect of which may be that we won’t any more have to go through this deceptive farce of electoral politics!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 19:32 utc | 110

they used to identify as working class, yes. but then media consolidation by the rich took over, and the political and legal war on unions took place. but i expect a large number still do.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 24 2023 19:33 utc | 111

There is almost no difference between D’s and R’s in foreign policy. In domestic policy there are small but critical differences. Trump implemented the right’s dream of shrinking government to drown it in a bathtub by dismantling every agency and element of government that betters the lot of the general population, including the postal service, the EPA, Interior, the Courts, etc. As Chomsky has pointed out, D’s are maybe 4% – 7% better than R’s, a small amount but a large difference in human terms. And the D’s bring better people with them. This is not to say that the Biden regime is not using vile tactics to hold off Trump and RFK, as they did to Bernie before him. Thanks b, your analysis is invaluable.

Posted by: Cowboy #1 | Jul 24 2023 19:37 utc | 112

Posted by: bill wolfe | Jul 24 2023 18:45 utc | 95
Yes, Trump conspired to overthrow the election. Because of balatant manipulation of the minority votes through BLM riots, ballot harvesting and illegal vote buying using covid money that became way too easy with mailins. Trump and co. had no choice but to do it this way in order to preserve just elections.
Also, all you state as “conspiracy to overthrow” was legal as you yourself point out. The J6 turned violent because of agitators in the crowd and overhyped protestors. This was also be used as an excuse to vilify and cancel anyone that doubted the fraud. “Reichstag” fire much?
Trump us indeed a bufoon but just try to get over your anger with his demeanor.
The alternative to Trump is the Ukraine war party. The whole war is to cover up the enormous corruption of the Obama white house in Ukraine.

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 24 2023 19:40 utc | 113

May suck for those in the US, but a weaker is US is better for the rest of the world.

Posted by: c matt | Jul 24 2023 19:41 utc | 114

A related article to b’s original, published today:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/07/lew-rockwell/the-smear-against-rfk-jr/

Why the massive and unfounded campaign against Kennedy? The answer is this he has raised issues Biden’s neocon controllers want swept under the carpet. The great Dr. Naomi Wolf highlighted some of these issues in a conversation she had with him: “In the latest episode of ‘TRUTH’ with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Kennedy sat down with the iconic Naomi Wolf for a spirited discussion on abuse of power, standing up to tyranny and preserving our Constitution. Wolf explained how tyrants always follow the same predictable route in their attempts to bring democracies to a close and how she believes our society has reached ‘Step 10’ of her ‘Fascism in 10 Easy Steps.’
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/naomi-wolf-steps-to-fascism/
Highlights of their conversation include:
We’re reaching a point reminiscent of what led to the American Revolution: People were willing to die rather than give up their rights.
The Constitution wasn’t written for easy times but for emergencies such as the current COVID crisis.
Arbitrary restrictions are being put in place by those abusing emergency powers at local, state and federal levels.
In a free society, points are made and arguments won through free speech and open debate rather than censoring opinions that differ from ours.
Authoritarianism has no place in medicine although most liberals are accepting edicts promoted by Fauci and Bill Gates.
Direct-to-consumer advertising that started in 1997 marked the beginning of Pharma’s takeover of American media.
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation neutralized once-independent media including The Guardian, NPR and public television through financial gifts.
Democrats are leading the ‘biofascism’ charge.
There’s no science to back up the widespread suspension of our Constitutional rights.
Non-partisan grassroots efforts are gaining momentum and can preserve our freedom and prevent totalitarian takeover.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 19:43 utc | 115

The most 3 “valuable” politicians of Germany (Scholz/Habeck/Baerb) should have benn saved in a former Hitler-NAZI bunker below 50m belo surfac, for security just today.
So why:
A small group of German millitant opposers to the War in UK and it’s supporters as USA/UK/Australia/EU-States (equipped with some Sniper’s utilities), are going now to destroy any single person that is actively involved on supporting the never-ending and open-end weapon shipments supporting til 2025.
That’s real and a fact! Even CNN has another story tomorrow ..!

Posted by: spare_truth | Jul 24 2023 19:43 utc | 116

May suck for those in the US, but a weaker is US is better for the rest of the world.
Posted by: c matt | Jul 24 2023 19:41 utc | 115
Thats my silver lining.
Also, it must be said, the USA sucked for the countries it bombed and countries it brought war and chaos too. The suffering and abuse of those humans rights dwarfs what western citizens are now being subjected too.
I cant read the future, but I would guess eventually it the west will be just as cruel to its own citizens as it was to nations it destroyed, and if there is an armed resistance to any of them, it is guaranteed.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 19:45 utc | 117

“…his unwillingness to accept the results of an election as every one of his predecessors has done..)
Let’s see, who else refused to accept the outcome of an election, blaming her loss on Putin?
“…his refusal to heed his own lawyers’ advice and a grand jury’s order to return government documents and his lashing out at prosecutors in personal terms.”
…or her majesty’s refusal to hand over evidence demanded of her by the FBI, instead destroying it with BleachBit

Posted by: nwwoods | Jul 24 2023 19:51 utc | 118

The winner of the next US election will be the one who has the biggest supply of green printing ink, to ensure the continued issuance of that strange confetti called Federal Reserve Notes, masquerading as currency, in turn masquerading as money.
Good luck…

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 24 2023 19:52 utc | 119

Re: US Voting System
For our foreign barflies, who might not be familiar with voting in the US, here are some peculiarities:
1) no identification required – a American goes to his polling location, states his name, a elderly party hack opens a big book, flips pages until he comes to your name, Party hack spins book around and ask you to sign next to your name. That’s it.
2) voting rolls are almost never updated -Americans are a mobile society, we move on average every 5 years. We don’t register our new address with the authorities. There is no central register of voting rolls. Every time there has been an audit of local voting rolls; it’s discovered that people dead for 30 years still voted, people who moved away 10 years still voted, etc. Etc.
3) no Identification required to register to vote <\b> – Americans pick up a little form at the post office, fill it out, pop in the mail, and that’s it. as a joke many years ago I registered my dog to vote First Name RUDY middle name THE last name DOG. Etc. sure enough a couple of months later Mr. Rudy T. Dog got a notice of election in the mail. I bet Rudy is stil listed on those voting rolls and some parts hack casts a ballot for fear Rudy
4) Walking Around Money in order to encourage citizens to vote, local party cadre are LEGALLY able to hand out cash to voters to “help them get to the polling station and so forth.
5) Vote Early and Vote Often a long-standing half in jest phrase
Those are just the highlights fellow barflies. If you want a bit of Sorid detail of everyday and systemic election fraud – search “Ballot Box 13 LBJ senate election”

Posted by: Exile | Jul 24 2023 19:52 utc | 120

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 16:43 utc
You’re right in a sense. It is a massive task and just fighting aka yelling in the street etc won’t do the trick. Nonetheless, this is the path history has set for us.
Working people for lack of vision or perspective have fought and lost many times throughout history. History is a wicked step mother as Trotsky once said. But every loss came with a lesson and those lessons can be read and learned.
The alternative of doing nothing or handing out agency to a Dem or republican is just suicide. It’s not an alternative any more. These aren’t the boom times. The post WW2 glory days are done.
There’s no royal road to a better future. Millions have to be ready to die for it, but first they have to know what they’re fighting for, who their enemies are and that requires leadership, class perspective and organization.
There are plenty of intelligent guys on here. There are many that can provide a class perspective, politically educate these restive workers. Im all for Karlof’s suggestion that MOA draft a program before this election. Excellent idea for a first step.
And I’m not talking about other people making the change for us. If you depend on a wage to survive UW, you are a worker. I’d venture most flies here are whether they want to accept that or not.
Imagine the power of these workers (US!) derided as stupid, crazy, etc. How many of these workers hate the imperialist wars, hate the billionaires, hate the RC culture machine, hate the attack on their basic political rights?
A general strike with anti war demands! Imagine that. A movement by for and of workers against the oligarchs and their system. Imagine that.
These things are not impossible or even unlikely anymore. That’s the nature of revolutionary times.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 24 2023 19:54 utc | 121

The whole point of the indictments is to scare independents off in the 2024 election. The great irony of all this is that a clear majority of this country wants neither Trump nor Biden – yet that is what we are going to have.

Posted by: ian | Jul 24 2023 19:55 utc | 122

@ # 88, I pointed out that (We) can have a dictatorship of the majority or a dictatorship of a minority. In the end, this is the only real choice we have, and that a dictatorship of the minority is slavery, feudalism, and capitalism, all the exploitive systems known to the world. Even when rule by the minority is cloaked as a “democracy,” it does so in form only. In time, it MUST expose its true dictatorial content as the majority, believing that they live in a democracy, demand their “democratic” right to rule.
Below is a portion from bevin’s comment yesterday @#82. It is advisable that MoA readers review bevin’s comment because he deals with how the US dictatorship of the minority is struggling with the fact that its disguise as a phony democracy (democracy in form only) is being exposed. Bill Casey, former head of the CIA (now deceased), let the cat out of the bag. Of course, it is the old canard of divide and conquer through lies, confusion, and fear mongering among the majority. Thank you bevin for your clarity.
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“There remained just one more strategically necessary aspect to capitalism’s campaign to protect itself from deeper scrutiny…. [t]hus it is that capitalism has emerged from a major challenge, which struck at the heart of its ‘profit over all’ mentality unscathed by popular demand for action which could only lead to socialist measures nationalising hospitals, medical provision and pharmaceuticals by the simple, albeit audacious, tactic of denying the existence of a phenomenon which was undeniably omnipresent.
“This was only possible in a society so corrupted by generations of state sponsored misinformation and mendacious propaganda that William Casey’s boast “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” is close to being actualized.
“The Capitalist state has reached the point where distrust in it is one of its greatest resources: we can no longer reason together because there is such a widespread and deeprooted suspicion of the evident and an increasing belief that humanity is the sport, not of a ruling class pursuing its own obvious interests, but of secret powers bent on unstated but malevolent objectives, shadowy conspiracies that might just as well be fostered by lizards in outer space as any other nightmarish inventions.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 24 2023 16:57 utc | 82

Posted by: Ed | Jul 24 2023 19:55 utc | 123

Trump is a criminal. He doesn’t pay his bill … he screws his sub trades and suppliers on a regular basis. I know this for a fact .. I know people he screwed. He doesn’t pay his taxes … he’s admitted this publicly. He incited and supported an insurrection against the government.
You elect this narcissistic sociopath to power again and guaranteed he’s going to screw you big time … he’s a smart guy … he learns from his mistakes … he will launch a nuclear war IF he believes he’ll profit from it. Remember this is the same guy who refused to allow a cruise ship to dock so people could get treatment because it would make his “numbers” look bad. That’s fucking inhumane.
That being said I trust his government over Bidens any day.
Politics in the USA is toxic. It’s like a marriage between 2 assholes that hate each other and all they care about is destroying the other side. There is NOBODY out there who has the political chops to unite and lead the USA. The best thing that can happen to them is complete societal collapse and rebuild from the ashes.
I worked a lot in the USA and have lots of friends there that I love dearly as individuals however as a group they are fucked up.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 24 2023 20:04 utc | 124

spare_truth 101
No, you haven’t understood.
The powerbrokers in politics are Zionists. But even after 2000 years of not obeying God, but trying to succeed through politics, their latest political wheeze, to weaken Russian control of Syria by Ukrainian Nazi proxies, has catastrophically failed.
Was it planned to fail? Keep on doing the same stupid thing until somebody takes Pity on you and gives you a hand.
No. Nobody helps stupidity. But Trump did, by decreeing Jerusalem their
capital. Surely the US public are not dumb enough to think that the Trump insurrection on Capitol Hill was not staged?
Just another weird wheeze by Zionist idiots who think politics is a TV soap.
Weird.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 24 2023 20:04 utc | 125

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 24 2023 19:29 utc | 110
Good comment, Tom.
Although I think you may underestimate the power of UPS. So much of the economy has gone online that these guys have become as essential as longshoreman, who had been neutered, but look at what’s happening in Vancouver.
Ultimately, these unions are increasingly in conflict with their leadership which are just agents of the Dems in the US.
The change is in process. The new society is trying to be born. What’s needed is an organized, militant, class conscious midwife.
More than a few excellent midwives on this site. Just a question of setting a program and pursuing it in every neighborhood and work place possible.
It’s a big project, but it beats sitting around waiting for the bombs to drop.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 24 2023 20:06 utc | 126

“I am not sure that it is the case, but many significant factors – transportation, public service, health, education, industry, policies – now look worse to me than I remember them to be.”
Exactly ,in fact the list above is what is corroding the fabric that held the mosaic together. We who lived here long enough a see it and IMO is no longer reversible.

Posted by: Kooshy | Jul 24 2023 20:10 utc | 127

The effort is bipartisan. Anyway, the only thing that surprises me is that it has taken this long. The criminal laws in the United States are broad enough and far-reaching enough in scope that an aggressive prosecutor can always find a pretext to bring charges against anyone at any time. That goes double for anyone involved in higher level business or politics.
This is entirely intentional. If people of influence and authority want someone off the island, a rationale can always be manufactured. After all, a prosecutor is nothing more or less than a glorified politician in the US, with sights set on higher office, and the way to get to higher office is to do things that important people want done.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Jul 24 2023 20:10 utc | 128

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 24 2023 16:32 utc | 34
Finally, a proper materialist statement. Hudson’s is the best at the moment. For the solution we must turn to mass movements outside of institutional politics. And for that shit’s gotta get a lot worse, Dust Bowl-Grapes-of-Wrath worse. The working class who became middle class through the New Deal are now being returned to it. The problem here is that, like the 1920s, only a minority join the Reds. A middle class who has its status taken from them in ways they don’t understand typically look for a scapegoat (Fascism) rather than try to really understand it (Marx). Most go for the Brown. Maybe Strasserism (Red-Brown) is the way to mobilise them? The conditions in the 20s then and the 20s now are, perhaps, historically incommensurable. From where will the revolutionary energies arise?

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 24 2023 20:11 utc | 129

tell it to the people working 2 jobs and living in their cars.
The elites view that condition as proof of their obsolescence.

Posted by: Fred777 | Jul 24 2023 20:11 utc | 130

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 24 2023 16:40 utc | 38
*I see that the media is now predictably turning against the transgender thing as this will be the next scapegoat to act as a pressure-release valve for THEM. It will look like a win when “conservatives” win this ridiculous culture-battle. It is not. Wake me up when names are named. When empire is sent home.
Where are you seeing this? Love your work btw. Always have. Good to see you in excellent form… muh reparazons… lol.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 24 2023 20:22 utc | 131

What’s needed is an organized, militant, class conscious midwife.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 24 2023 20:06 utc | 127
There are lots of ways out, and lots of things needed to get out… ..none of which are doable. That is the role of this western beast, to be sure dissent is quashed.
This also is the first steps of revolution.
First uprising, then repression, uprising grows due to repression, government responds by backing off of repression. This show of weakness signals moment of coming overthrow.
1) Organizing online is impossible due to censorship. If the social media corporations are letting you organize on their platform, you are part of their agenda. Organizing in teal life is also impossible, because nobody knows how and…
2) militancy, polarized militancy. There is no solidarity, as passions of the masses are driven by soap operas of the elite. They care more about what is happening to those they believe share their values in positions of power, than their own predicaments. Their passions make them believe those in common cause are their enemy. There is no solidarity
Not to mention militancy is dangerous on an individual level.
3) class consciousness will not happen. There is plenty of water to raise this consciousness, but the masses will not drink.
Not until things get so bad they have to. It is the tragedy of humanity. We dont fix things until we absolutely have to.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 20:29 utc | 132

People who know nothing about U.S. politics should not comment on it. That goes for Moon Of Alabama, and the two Alexanders. When you comment on something you are so ignorant of, then I have to question your comments on other issues as well. Trump was impeached twice. The only reason he was not removed from office was that Senate Republicans voted to not even hear the evidence against him developed by the House of Representatives. Moreover, Trump showed extraordinarily poor judgement in pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, the JCCOA, the Paris Climate Accords, The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, The Trans-Pacific Partnership, UNESCO, NAFTA, United Nations Human Rights Council, and the UNRWA. He apparently found all these agreements, none of which he understood, to be objectionable. I’m not a Biden fan, and I think his Ukraine and China policies are dangerous. I’d not want either Biden or Trump to be re-elected. Heaven help us!

Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Jul 24 2023 20:32 utc | 133

Look at all the gorgeous homes around the DC metro. The people who own those homes are the Deep State. Don’t think for a second they’re walking away from that wealth and privilege. They’ll burn down the country just to hold on a little longer.

Posted by: Sideshow Bob | Jul 24 2023 20:36 utc | 134

Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 18:11 utc | 83
Beware literal translations from ancient languages
Meanings of Words, being organic and subject to change especially when used in other than the native tongue and a long time since origination; their actual current meaning is unlikely to hold to the supposedly original.
Current meanings for aristocracy do not imply “rule by the best” by any stretch.
Agree wholly with Jmaas | Jul 24 2023 18:22 utc | 89

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jul 24 2023 20:53 utc | 135

Cesar Jeopardy @ 134:
There would hardly be any democracy even at a basic grassroots level if we were to take your advice literally. Democracy is supposed to be based in large part on discussing and debating issues, the complexity of which can be such that no one person can understand most if not all of any one of them. That is why we have discussion and commentary, to share information and knowledge, and gain understanding through such a forum.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 24 2023 20:54 utc | 136

On how Class was formed in the West: I highly suggest reading Hudson’s … and forgive them their debts which meticulously shows how that was accomplished over centuries and thus became institutionalized. For the British Colonies and then USA, a review of the Colonial Period is paramount, particularly the rise of the Merchant Class in the Colonies North of the Slave Belt. I don’t know if a Marxian analysis of that time period’s been done. I relied on non-Marxists who still looked deeply into economic power relations. Bernad Bailyn’s The New England Merchants in the Seventeenth Century is indispensable in that regard. But most impactful on Class formation in the North American Colonies was England’s Class Structure and the need to realize just how gruesome it was to be poor in England or Europe when Enclosure commenced. I’ve found the works of Peter Linebaugh to be most instructive, particularly The Many-Headed Hydra I’ve cited here before. What’s perhaps hard for those today to understand is the rigidity of Class within the West. Upward social mobility prior to the Industrial Revolution was beyond a novelty, a rarity, although there were a few avenues that could be exploited but would take several generations to mark any progress–Religious Ministry and Military. So, in the 1740s-1790s, it was very simple for those in the Upper Class to maintain a monopoly on their position within society and government as the ability to vote hinged on property/wealth. Why is Benjamin Franklin noted so much? He was one of the very few who broke through the Class Barrier. And I must mention another Bailyn work that illustrates the power of the Merchant Class in Boston, Massachusetts, The Ordeal of Thomas Hutchinson and what it was able to accomplish.
It took awhile for it to be said, but in 1925, President Coolidge finally admitted this:
“the chief business of the American people is business.”
That’s what it’s been since the first Englishman–or perhaps Irishman–set foot in North America exploiting the fantastic North Atlantic fishery. (I highly suggest taking a few minutes to read the content at that link.) So, look at US history and you’ll see rich, powerful businessmen at the pinnacle of power. That Class controlled the nascent USA and remains in control, although its ways of gaining its wealth have changed and are much more criminal because that’s the sort of system they deployed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 20:59 utc | 137

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jul 24 2023 20:53 utc | 136
Current meanings for aristocracy do not imply “rule by the best” by any stretch.
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Sorry I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean to use the word in the ‘current meaning’ but rather ‘rule by the good or the best’ which is why I added the definition with an asterix at the end of the post, to make that clear.
But of course these days even simple words like ‘the good’ or ‘the best’ have no clear meaning so the point was ignored and the ‘current meaning’ remained notwithstanding.
And then the next point – also buried by the word usage problem – is that we replaced that old system, imperfect as admittedly was, with new ones which are corrupt and with limited shared vocabulary or perspective with which to analyze them, let alone craft better solutions.
No matter.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 21:05 utc | 138

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 24 2023 20:04 utc | 125
Remember this is the same guy who refused to allow a cruise ship to dock so people could get treatment because it would make his “numbers” look bad.
Where did you find that?
Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Jul 24 2023 20:32 utc | 134
… he was impeached twice.
You mean setup by the security agencies and implemented by deranged pols that probably have large amounts of compromat on them?

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 24 2023 21:07 utc | 139

Cesar Jeopardy | Jul 24 2023 20:32 utc | 134–
A whole line of POTUS deserved impeachment and removal beginning with Truman and everyone afterwards. Clinton, Obama and Biden all merit life imprisonment for their actions AND inactions. Your interjection is utterly useless as it doesn’t do anything to promote understanding to discover a solution. So, you might as well take your whining to another bar.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 21:07 utc | 140

People who know nothing about U.S. politics should not comment on it
Trump showed extraordinarily poor judgement in pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, the JCCOA, the Paris Climate Accords, The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, The Trans-Pacific Partnership, UNESCO, NAFTA, United Nations Human Rights Council, and the UNRWA
Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Jul 24 2023 20:32 utc | 134
Too bad he killed Soulumeni, gave weapons to Ukraine, and pushed kow towed to Israel, or you’d be selling him to me. I forgot he did those great things.
Also, one of those impeachments, he was well within his rights as president, and constitutional ambassador in chief, to ask Ukrainian prosecutors to look into Joe Bidens Ukrainian corruption, but some how Ukrainian born Lt Col Vindman got to decide how the president can talk to foreign ministers, and the democratic house as well.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 21:12 utc | 141

Posted by: Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 21:07 utc | 141
Than you for disinviting me from YOUR blog.

Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Jul 24 2023 21:13 utc | 142

People who know nothing about U.S. politics should not comment on it. That goes for Moon Of Alabama, and the two Alexanders. When you comment on something you are so ignorant of, then I have to question your comments on other issues as well.
Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Jul 24 2023 20:32 utc | 134
Trolling starts with statements such as yours. Same with “Anybody who thinks x is stupid”, or so many other cliche trollish firestarters.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 21:17 utc | 143

This thread is depressing for a Canadian. Anti-intellectual petit bourgeois settler politics are so deeply baked into our worldview that when someone like Bevin actually says something intelligent, the other Canadians in the room are fundamentally unable to respond. This isn’t Facebook (the platform that all you bootlicking “pro freedom” crackers profess to hate, while using it daily)

Posted by: Brautigan | Jul 24 2023 21:22 utc | 144

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 20:59 utc | 138
Cool. I couldn’t get the Merchants book, but I found another by the same (prolific) author published in 2018: “The Essential Debate on the Constitution.”
blurb:

Return to the nation’s founding to rediscover the dramatic original debates—on presidential power, religious liberty, foreign corruption, and more—that still shape our world today
When the Constitutional Convention adjourned on September 17, 1787, few Americans anticipated the document that emerged from its secret proceedings. James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and the other framers had fashioned something radically new, a strong national government with broad powers. A fierce storm of argument soon broke out in advance of the state ratifying conventions that would decide the new plan’s fate as Federalist supporters, Antifederalist opponents, and seekers of a middle ground praised, condemned, challenged, and analyzed the new Constitution. Here, in chronological order, are more than sixty newspaper articles, pamphlets, speeches, and private letters written or delivered during this ratification debate. Along with familiar figures such as Madison, Hamilton, and Patrick Henry, are dozens of lesser-known but equally engaged and passionate participants. The most famous writings of the period—especially the key Federalist essays—are placed in context alongside the arguments of insightful Antifederalists such as “Brutus” and the “Federal Farmer.” Crucial issues quickly take center stage—the need for a Bill of Rights, the controversial compromises over slavery and the slave trade, whether religious tests should be imposed—and on questions that continue to engage and divide Americans: the relationship between the national government and the states, the dangers of unchecked presidential power and the remedy of impeachment, the proper role of the Supreme Court, fears of foreign and domestic corruption, and the persistent challenge of making representative government work in a large and diverse nation.

So I gather you are against the old, rigid class systems. Understandable. But I suggest there is another axis to include which has to do with solidarity / togetherness / collective sense of ‘we.’ So we have on the one hand a sense of being one people or collective and on the other the ability for individuals to exercise private initiative in as unhindered a fashion as possible without undermining a strong, vibrant sense of shared culture and therefore also values.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 21:22 utc | 145

Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 19:00 utc | 102–
Thanks for your reply. Looking at what was discussed during the lawfare coup isn’t where to look. What must be examined are the reasons put forth both before and after the 1783 Treaty of Paris to modify the Articles. Also, although seldom discussed, what’s the basic difference between a confederation and a unitary state–in a confederation, each state is sovereign, while in a unitary state only the state is sovereign. The 1787 Constitution was an attempt to make a compromise on that point but essentially failed as Federalism is what rules and none of the 50 states is sovereign. The Union State between Russia and Belarus is a new attempt at such a combination. Another critical debate that doesn’t get the emphasis it deserves is over finance–public or private or a hybrid, but that was post 1787.
George Carlin had a great skit about the Constitution focusing on the Preamble, particularly “We the People,” which pointed out the Class nature of that phrase and that We the People weren’t us commonfolk whatsoever. And that truth is censored in every history and political science/civics text in the USA. How is the general public to be informed of its status when such fundamental facts are withheld?
Then there’s the Big Lie of American Democracy which falls apart when the Constitution’s read and is readily seen in our contemporary circumstances.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 21:55 utc | 146

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 21:17 utc
I didn’t say anybody was stupid. I criticized comment by those who know little or nothing about U.S. politics. Debate about anything should be based on facts–you’ve heard of facts–rather than personal biases. I can get and have gotten nonsense at the Washington Post

Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Jul 24 2023 21:56 utc | 147

Posted by: jpc | Jul 24 2023 15:53 utc | 10
“Seen from the outside U.S. internal politics now look like a bad reality show. This is not the self confident behavior of an elite of the sole superpower the U.S. still pretends to be.
It a demented freak show.
Being run by malicious incompetents.
It’s become a case study in mass psychosis.
Any sane person would run away from involvement of any description with the is federal bureaucratic apparatus.”
When exactly did these mythical golden years occur in which the above was *not* an apt description of US federal politics? The 1900s…1800s?..the Reagan administration?The Nixon administration? The Clinton administration? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: nwwoods | Jul 24 2023 21:57 utc | 148

This was Vindman’s theory when he complained that Trump’s foreign policy was counter to the will of the interagency, and this is the Deep State’s theory of government. The US constitution says otherwise: “the executive power shall reside in the president.”
Posted by: dyahac | Jul 24 2023 19:28 utc | 109
This is important. But it stems from a refusal of duty. Numerous presidents have now accepted that they’re not actually in charge of the executive branch so now taking the power enumerated to them is difficult. The same occurred for congress in refusing its responsibility to decide war.

Posted by: Lex | Jul 24 2023 21:58 utc | 149

I was commenting before the 2020 election that it was a contest between Brezhnev (Biden) and Yeltsin (Trump). Do you want the senile bureaucrat or the dissolute egotist to preside over our disintegrating empire?

Posted by: teddy salad | Jul 24 2023 22:06 utc | 150

@karlof #76
I havent heard about that but this would be the BEST news since ages.
Imagine the gop going with scott despite trump winning the primary season, imagine the dems nominating newsom without any ligitimation.
Both trump and rfk have the resources to run without their party. In such a case the gop would certainly disappear in a black whole because trump would win at least 15 or 20 states in a general election with or without the gop, while their candidate would win nothing. Trump doesnt even need to run in all states. He can quit california and oregon.
And rfk would boost after being ousted that way.
If the uniparty is stupid enough to pull this thing, i guess the story is done. All except for the most loyal blinsided 25% would have a revelation about the system they live in.

Posted by: Orgel | Jul 24 2023 22:21 utc | 151

AG | Jul 24 2023 16:29 utc | 31
*** ** @Neofeudalfuture 13
witch hunt **
may be Trump should appear costumed as a witch during 2024 campaign.
He would sure look funny.***
Then declare him/it/her self to be a Jewish non-white trans of one or more of the alleged 158(?) genders, and the Dems or mass-media wouldn’t dare to disagree with anything he said or did.
Might put some voters off, though…

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2023 22:25 utc | 152

Ahenobarbus | Jul 24 2023 16:32 utc | 34
***… a billionaire Republican is not going to fix the underlying contradictions and send us back to a stabler time in US history.***
No thanks…
Britain is bad enough already without an unhinged runaway colony trying to re-join.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2023 22:32 utc | 153

Republicans and Democrats are opposite sides of the same coin. We live on the edge. 🙁

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Jul 24 2023 22:37 utc | 154

Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 21:22 utc | 146–
Thanks for your reply. Bailyn is good to an extent, but he must be balanced with other historians as this bit from his Wiki page notes”
“Bailyn is known for meticulous research and for interpretations that sometimes challenge the conventional wisdom, especially those dealing with the causes and effects of the American Revolution. In his most influential work, The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution, Bailyn analyzed pre-Revolutionary political pamphlets to show that colonists believed the British intended to establish a tyrannical state that would abridge the historical British rights. He thus argued that the Revolutionary rhetoric of liberty and freedom was not simply propagandistic but rather central to their understanding of the situation. This evidence was used to displace Charles A. Beard’s theory, then the dominant understanding of the American Revolution, that the American Revolution was primarily a matter of class warfare and that the rhetoric of liberty was meaningless. Bailyn maintained that ideology was ingrained in the revolutionaries, an attitude he said exemplified the “transforming radicalism of the American Revolution.””
Gordon Wood’s one of his students and continued his in his The Radicalism of the American Revolution. The key work to find and read is Pamphlets of the American Revolution, 1750-1776, Volume I: 1750-1765, which has yet to be digitized despite so many of his other works being in that format. The question is Why Not? The introduction written in Pamphlets was excised and published by itself as The ideological origins of the American Revolution which was awarded the Pulitzer and Bancroft Prizes. Pamphlets, as suggested by its title, was to be a multi-volume work but work on it was halted. Again Why? If it was so seminal, why was publication so limited? Current price for a copy is @ $200. Most major college libraries in the USA have a copy, which is where I read parts 25 years ago. Clearly, Elites were overjoyed that a major academic was deemed to have overturned the greatly hated and despised Beard Class Thesis, which is now what gets published in history texts. But do those 14 pamphlets provide the interpreted evidence and what of others that are excluded?
When I did my very deep dive into the Revolutionary Era beginning 30 years ago, I was keen to read multiple interpretations while also discovering what I could about the authors. Charles Beard was no Marxist, nor was his historian wife Mary. IMO, both were Everyman historians and saw those folks as their audience. Both were Quakers. It’s notable that Dr. Hudson is also a Beardist. IMO, to properly understand you must dive deep and explore as much as possible, which takes time. And it must be remembered that all history writing is revisionist.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 22:43 utc | 155

FWIW, I have to show a driver’s license and a voter ID card when I choose to participate in our sham democracy.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 24 2023 22:50 utc | 156

Orgel | Jul 24 2023 22:21 utc | 152–
Thanks for your reply. I’ve mused and written here about that sort of scenario. Since the court decision is only known by a very small minority, erring to show the greater public political reality would be a huge mistake by the Duopoly. Time will tell what happens.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 22:51 utc | 157

I criticized comment by those who know little or nothing about U.S. politics. Debate about anything should be based on facts–you’ve heard of facts–rather than personal biases. I can get and have gotten nonsense at the Washington Post
Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Jul 24 2023 21:56 utc | 148
Implying they knew nothing about US politics because you dont like their view is trolling. They know plenty.
Adding that Trump was impeached twice shows you weren’t interested in clarifying ignorance about American politics, is proof you were trolling, as everybody knows he was impeached twice. It was just an opening to interject your opinion on the causes and consequences as fact, while setting the field as to those who would disagree with you as “knowing nothing about American politics”
Cliche trolling. Like RSH always started hos arguments about anybody who could not see it his way was stupid, ignorant, doesnt pay attention, childish, or whatever other cliche insult trolls try to start their arguments to cause anger, because some opinion made them angry.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 22:55 utc | 158

FWIW, I have to show a driver’s license and a voter ID card when I choose to participate in our sham democracy.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 24 2023 22:50 utc | 157
I live in a state with very lax policies on who can vote here. You just have to own property. You dont have to be a resident. Indeed you can have residence in multiple states, and vote for multiple senators, reps, etc, and it is perfectly legal. I knew a couple that voted in multiple states.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 22:58 utc | 159

teddy salad | Jul 24 2023 22:06 utc | 151
I like what Julian Assange said before the 2016 election; “It’s like having to choose between gonorrhea and syphilis.”

Posted by: robjira | Jul 24 2023 23:15 utc | 160

I’d be unbothered if Trump received the death penalty, just like he promoted for the innocent Central Park Five. But, I’m anti death penalty, so I’ll be plenty pleased seeing him, and Biden, and Hillary&Bill, and Barry, and Vicki, and little Georgie, and the Cheney Family, and Kissassger,….
Fuck, I’m gonna need a bigger prison.
Trump 2024?
What a f*cking idiot.

Posted by: Southpaw | Jul 24 2023 23:38 utc | 161

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 22:43 utc | 156
Thank you, kind Sir. Yes, indeed, all genuine history is revisionist, partly to correct errors or deliberate distortions, and partly to adjust understanding in the light of new ways of looking at things. We cannot see through the eyes of people centuries ago although we can try, and therefore must keep adjusting as we do so. So it is also bottomless and endless, like any authentic discipline.
Anyway, now I have two or more books on the ‘really want to read soon’ list which is already so long that at best the last word is redundant!
Re:

The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution, Bailyn analyzed pre-Revolutionary political pamphlets to show that colonists believed the British intended to establish a tyrannical state that would abridge the historical British rights. He thus argued that the Revolutionary rhetoric of liberty and freedom was not simply propagandistic but rather central to their understanding of the situation.

Well, that’s interesting. From this POV, the revolutionaries were championing fundamental Common Law liberties and rights which the British Crown (aka Oligarch class of the time) was trying to end-run around in less regulated, wilder Territories.
I am not well read on that time, though some of my forebears blood was spilt therein, but suspect that the idea of leaving their familiar domain in which ‘King and Country’ was paramount might have induced panic or heart attacks in some, so radical a break it might have felt from the established perception of bedrock reality. The sense of the individual was far different in those days, given that ties to family, local area and nation were so much stronger that self and other were experienced as being joined together in a shared, lucid dream in a vivid, visceral way that we modern people no longer experience except occasionally perhaps in time of great crisis or drama – like JFK being shot, or 9/11 or in very tight-knit rural communities or religious cults.
Perhaps the alien nature of the indigenous cultures and landscapes gave them the impetus to press forward into freedom whilst retaining what they felt were core values and elements of what they regarded as their own superior, more enlightened culture, whilst also restraining the wilder elements within their population who would welcome lawless plunder.
(After Napoleon was defeated he asked to be allowed to move to North America, Louisiana I believe, but they locked him up instead. What might have been America’s fate had The Emperor been invited to contribute?)
The blurb to The Idea of America by Gordon Wood (which has been digitized):

The preeminent historian of the American Revolution explains why it remains the most significant event in our history.
More than almost any other nation in the world, the United States began as an idea. For this reason, Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Gordon S. Wood believes that the American Revolution is the most important event in our history, bar none. Since American identity is so fluid and not based on any universally shared heritage, we have had to continually return to our nation’s founding to understand who we are. In The Idea of America, Wood reflects on the birth of American nationhood and explains why the revolution remains so essential.
In a series of elegant and illuminating essays, Wood explores the ideological origins of the revolution-from ancient Rome to the European Enlightenment-and the founders’ attempts to forge an American democracy. As Wood reveals, while the founders hoped to create a virtuous republic of yeoman farmers and uninterested leaders, they instead gave birth to a sprawling, licentious, and materialistic popular democracy.
Wood also traces the origins of American exceptionalism to this period, revealing how the revolutionary generation, despite living in a distant, sparsely populated country, believed itself to be the most enlightened people on earth. The revolution gave Americans their messianic sense of purpose-and perhaps our continued propensity to promote democracy around the world-because the founders believed their colonial rebellion had universal significance for oppressed peoples everywhere. Yet what may seem like audacity in retrospect reflected the fact that in the eighteenth century republicanism was a truly radical ideology-as radical as Marxism would be in the nineteenth-and one that indeed inspired revolutionaries the world over.
Today there exists what Wood calls a terrifying gap between us and the founders, such that it requires almost an act of imagination to fully recapture their era. Because we now take our democracy for granted, it is nearly impossible for us to appreciate how deeply the founders feared their grand experiment in liberty could evolve into monarchy or dissolve into licentiousness. Gracefully written and filled with insight, The Idea of America helps us to recapture the fears and hopes of the revolutionary generation and its attempts to translate those ideals into a working democracy.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 23:49 utc | 162

West of England Andy | Jul 24 2023 17:20 utc | 60
Oh gawd, a Trump thread…
Yep. *Exactly* my thoughts nanoseconds after opening my morning MoA….
@Gruff: “This is gonna be fun…”…. Yep!
@ UWDude, various comments. [this thread especially, but also many threads previous]
Yep.
…I watched the US “election” get stolen in real time…
Yep. And I watched in real time while evidence of that was destroyed.
Say their names:
…Seth Rich
Julian Assange.
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alek_a | Jul 24 2023 19:40 utc | 114
The whole war is to cover up the enormous corruption of the Obama white house in Ukraine.
Amen, brother. Biden’s personal and family Ukraine corruption also means they will double down and push on with “whatever it takes”.
Exile | Jul 24 2023 19:52 utc | 121
I read “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy” Greg Palast.
I think that was 2009, after I realised who/what Obama was.
[feel real silly at my Obama naivety, I’d already spent 6 years down the 9/11 rabbithole… ]
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Cesar Jeopardy | Jul 24 2023 20:32 utc | 134
People who know nothing about U.S. politics should not comment on it.
Of all the comments on this thread, yours is the most ignorant and ill-informed.
Take your own advice… learn about U$ politics beyond what you consume from U$ corporate media.
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Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 20:59 utc | 138
With the historic perspective.
Yep. Thanks, as ever.
Pick up an issue today…Pick one… say…. U$ biolabs in Ukraine pull the thread, keep pulling, and quickly the whole curtain hiding the “wizard” and the Big Wurlitzer unravels.
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karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 21:07 utc | 141
Your reply to Caesar …Your interjection is utterly useless…
Second that. I notice Jen also gave him short shift.
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Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2023 23:51 utc | 163

160 australia. i live where i show id or sometimes not, get fined if i dont vote 250$ from memory and can have your drivers license and vehicle registration cancelled with fines increasing to actual jail time if not paid. let alone huge fines (many thousands) if you get caught driving upon being cancelled and you dont know. just moving house catches people out in this fashion. my only idea is australia population is small and without mandatory voting elections would be shambolic with super low turnout as cynical views of politicians are rife.

Posted by: hankster | Jul 24 2023 23:55 utc | 164

to Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 23:49 utc | 163 …
Somehow the quoted blurb (re US “revolutionary” leaders and their thinking) is reminiscent of the Victorian technique of having a cat and its kittens killed … getting them stuffed, mounted and arranged … and then, looking at the finished display, going all sentimental about how cute they are.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 25 2023 0:11 utc | 165

I not only need ID but my local polling location also has a sample of my signature on file. They keep it covered till I countersign. When I change address I need to provide current proof of residence – utility bill, property tax receipt etc. Claims of physical election fraud on a massive scale is wind and sails.
My POV, the sham Trump stolen election claim is the counterpoint to Russiagate, and true believers on both sides will not ever reach across to find common ground so long as the Federal govt continues to function. These are psyop redlines that are working incredibly well at dividing the populace.
Also, RFK despite having very good take on many issues has so much baggage from past and current public statements, is unelectable.

Posted by: MillerJ | Jul 25 2023 0:17 utc | 166

I finally found time to read today’s Crooke that was linked to at the outset of this thread and believe that his observations deserve a major place in this thread, for the topic is about the Outlaw US Empire’s upcoming political implosion moment: the 2024 POTUS election.
Crooke’s title reveals the topic’s focus, “Counter-Revolution – ‘Do You Know What Time It Is?’” Here’s one of several key excerpts:

In the U.S., the run-up to momentous elections is underway. The Democrats are in a fix: The party has long since turned its back on its old blue-collar constituency, engaging instead with an urban ‘creative class’ in an exalted, world-shaping ‘social engineering’ project of moral redress, in alliance with Silicon Valley and the Permanent Nomenklatura. But that experiment has run off into the weeds, becoming ever more extreme and absurd. Push-back is building.
Predictably enough, the Democratic campaign is not gaining traction. Team Biden has low, low approval ratings. But Biden family pressure insists that Biden must persevere with his candidature, and not yield to another. Either way – Biden staying or going – there is no ready solution to the Party’s conundrum of a non-performing, non-platform.
The electoral landscape is a mess. Heavy ‘lawfare’ artillery is intended to break the Trump defences and drive him off the field, whilst an attrition of disclosures of Biden family malfeasance are intended wear down and implode the Biden bubble. The Democratic Establishment is spooked too by the flanking manoeuvre of the R. F. Kennedy candidature, which is snowballing rapidly.
Put simply, the Democratic wokish ideology of historical redress is separating the U.S. into two nations living in one land. Divided not so much by ‘Red or Blue’, or class, but defined by irreconcilable ‘ways of being’. The old categories: Left, Right, Democrat or GOP are being dissolved by a Cultural War that respects no categories, crossing the boundaries of class and party affiliation. Indeed, even ethnic minorities have been alienated by the zealots wanting to sexualise children at age 5 years, and by the pushing of the trans agenda on to school children.

Crooke’s focus this time is what’s happening on the right, although as he states above, the traditional distinctions are all muddled with much boiling down to basics, like the Four Freedoms, and fundamental human rights issues, particularly the rights of children, which Belarus in its recent Human Rights Report smashed upside Uncle Sam’s head. Crooke has linked to and cited this 2+ year-old essay before, which IMO is an essential read, “‘Conservatism’ is no Longer Enough”. Here’s a very important excerpt:

First, we need to set goals. It is not enough just to smash all the bad things. Mindless chaos or anarchy is no way to achieve justice. One of conservatism’s huge errors for the last several decades has been to think big concepts like justice and fairness don’t matter. So we allowed the Left to own these ideas. Big mistake! Authentic Americans are men, not gerbils—or robots.
If you are a zombie or a human rodent who wants a shadow-life of timid conformity, then put away this essay and go memorize the poetry of Amanda Gorman. Real men and women who love honor and beauty, keep reading.
Authentic Americans still want to have decent lives. They want to work, worship, raise a family, and participate in public affairs without being treated as insolent upstarts in their own country. Therefore, we need a conception of a stable political regime that allows for the good life.
The U.S. Constitution no longer works. But that fact raises more questions than answers. Can some parts of the system—especially at the local and state level—be preserved and strengthened? How would that work? How do we distinguish the parts that are salvageable from the parts that are hopeless? How did all this happen, anyway? The answers to these questions are not obvious. Having a coherent plan—thinking through what American citizenship used to mean, what made it noble and made the country worthy of patriotic love, and how to rebuild its best elements—requires input from people, and institutions, who have given these matters a lot of thought.

The essay’s failure is to examine why America has failed its people–there’s not one word about money, finance or Wall Street to be found. And if we were to read something written from the Liberal side, it would also likely omit those three items. But as we well know here at MoA, The Money Power is the cause of the failure. As far as I can see via admittedly very shallow investigation, only RFKjr is making Corporate Power the political issue it needs to be, which is why he’s smeared and vilified. Here’s a very interesting possibility:
“Ukraine will be no-longer bi-partisan in terms of support, but rather will become a sword used against the hated Uni-party establishment, and any hint of a major f*ck-up will become centre-piece in this counter revolutionary war.”
Imagine, Russia has liberated almost all Ukraine by September 2024 sealing NATO’s disaster and that of Outlaw US Empire policy since WW2. Will such a disastrous defeat become an election issue given Uni-party support for decades or will they try to sweep it under the rug? The only nominal Anti-war candidate is RFKjr, and I’m stretching it there.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 25 2023 0:47 utc | 167

May suck for those in the US, but a weaker is US is better for the rest of the world.
Posted by: c matt | Jul 24 2023 19:41 utc | 115

It sucks for the those in the rest of the world as well. The working class is international in nature. A weakening of the working class in the US automatically means a weakening of the working class elsewhere in the world.
The class struggle in the US has thus global implications and should concern every worker in every country. It does not matter if his passport says Russian, German, Egyptian, Indian or Pakistani. International solidarity with American workers is imperative.
This is the essence of class consciousness.

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 25 2023 1:05 utc | 168

Soviet emigrants in USSR said the USA of early 2000-s were internally, in governing aspect, very similar to Brechnev’s (1970-s) USSR.
It was not the “sovietization” – USA is in many way the opposite of it, like education and healthcare for example. But it is the same disease of late petrified elites, who clogged all the “new blood vessels” and are eating the nation out

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 25 2023 1:10 utc | 169

Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 19:00 utc | 102

Because I suspect that what we are seeing unfolding today was preordained in the original constitution, in both its structure and process. During the month in closed session, what were the main arguments, which ones prevailed, which lost – or was the result a compromise that betrayed the interests of both (or more) sides?

The constitution we have today is not the original constitution. I believe the original was The League of Confederate States. That gave power to each state. The Constitution of the United States places all power in the federal government. The present constitution was written in 1787 behind closed doors and locked windows surrounded by troops. All we know from this secret meeting came from Madison’s notes as all was to be secret. Like no one knew Madison was taking notes? Really? Like he told the truth?
The constitution, at that time, gave rights to 11% of the people living here. No Native Americans, no black or white slaves, nor women had any rights. The constitution gave rights to white property owners. The people had representatives from each state but presidents as today were appointed as were senators and judges. Whatever the people’s representative could fashion in law the senate, the president or the last resort the Supreme court could over rule.
In my area of the US a general who served under Washington was given the task of selling Native American land to the new settlers. $100 dollars per 200 acres. The contract for that land carried the responsibility to build a barn of logs the first year and house the second made of sawed boards. Of course, the saw mill had to have a business license approved by the general. Taxes to be collect on that. The area given was called a county and the contract ensured the creation of corporations called towns for the collection of taxes. Settlers fought back and ambushed the tax collectors on the road and stripped them of everything they had including their clothes and horse. When asked why the general Knox did not come to collect his taxes himself they were told he now lived in NYC and was to fat to sit astride a horse. Many people in the area fought this system of extraction of wealth from the people and I am surrounded by towns named Hope, Freedom, Liberty and Unity. My town was incorporated in 1818 and collection of funds from the people began.
Democracy my ass. It’s the white man dream of being the lord over others by way of the almighty dollar. Look into the family of Elon Musk. You’ll figure it out.

Posted by: Dodgy Bodger | Jul 25 2023 1:15 utc | 170

Not until things get so bad they have to. It is the tragedy of humanity. We dont fix things until we absolutely have to.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2023 20:29 utc | 133
We’re there, bro. Time to get to work.
Also, were all psyoped to be exactly as pessimistic as you are. Approach people in real life. They’re different than on TV and the internet. Much smarter, actually.
Also, you made a point about meeting in person. People will have to do a lot of that in the future at least until a mass of tech workers realize they are just workers too. Time to relearn how.
Otherwise, watch and see if I’m right. Things are moving fast…

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 25 2023 1:23 utc | 171

Maybe Strasserism (Red-Brown) is the way to mobilise them?
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 24 2023 20:11 utc | 130
A fascinating and dangerous comment!
On that score I can say that dispensing with all racial, gender and sexuality politics would greatly aid the effort at class unity, which is really the only cure for the much overstated, but real racism sexism and homophobia in the US.
Let workers of all stripe do whatever they wish in their personal lives, so long as their public lives are devoted to their class.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 25 2023 1:31 utc | 172

There is a theory that the U.S. is undergoing some form of sovietization with a similar accumulation of defects and inefficiencies as occurred in the U.S.S.R. before it fell apart?
Just as unaddressed internal contradictions in Russian Communism doomed it to collapse, so unaddressed internal contradictions in Western Capitalism are finally catching up with us.
China, you will notice, addresses its systemic internal contradictions very publicly and tenaciously tries to resolve them as they arise.

Posted by: Godfree Roberts | Jul 25 2023 1:55 utc | 173

We’re there, bro. Time to get to work.
Also, were all psyoped to be exactly as pessimistic as you are. Approach people in real life. They’re different than on TV and the internet. Much smarter, actually.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 25 2023 1:23 utc | 172
Im not pessimistic, Im realistic. Ive thrown myself on the sword plenty of times for causes. Ive been arrested at protests.
And what do people think and say?
“You’re doing it wrong”. “you should have done it this way” “its all just a psy-op”. “you fell for a trap”. “thats funded by George Soros”
By a bunch of people who dont ever do shit, wont ever do shit, and have no idea what doing shit even feels like. You expect me to believe there is a chance of victory when most protesters go home by 7 pm? That’s just a protest.
Nah, count me out. It isnt time yet.
And lets say by some miracle there is some courage, say the trucker convoy, or tractor protests…
…we got people here talking about class consciousness and solidarity, while at the same time showing they only know these things as letters in a certain order to form a word.
Yeah they want class consciousness and solidarity, as long as it fits their particular vision. Thats not what solidairty means.
And thats what it really is. People wont even show up to a protest unless its perfectly aligned with their views… While typing all day online about how they’ll join the revolution when it happens.
LoL. Bullshit. They’ll find any excuse to not join they can.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2023 1:58 utc | 174

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2023 18:18 utc | 87
After decades of deliberate ‘neo-marxist’ programming with feminism and such along with, on the economic front, deliberate de-industrialization, the notion of ‘the workers’ as a class is outmoded. We are in different times now.
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Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 24 2023 18:28 utc | 92
more word salad, in support of some vague notion about the working class being “obsolete”. tell it to the people working 2 jobs and living in their cars.
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The “outmoded” part of “the notion of ‘the workers’ as a class” to which poster Scorpion refers, I think would be to the class of workers very roughly as structured in the early 20th century, that is, large groups of workers working shifts in factories, often, doing somewhat similar jobs, ie “autoworkers”, “pipefitters”, “mineworkers “. I think the regimentation as well as natural camaraderie that already existed between these fairly significant numbers of workers probably lent itself some extent to being organized into unions. There wasn’t quite impossible amount of organizing that needed to be done, difficult and violent as it sometimes was (from the stories! from the stories!). Shift work in factories makes organizing at least very slightly simple.
Crudely, here, in this rough, quick, completely broad, sitting in my PJ’s analysis, a couple of things happened to the union movement over the latter part of the 20th century and into this one:
1)A: The unions became corrupt. I haven’t any idea how corrupt really, but it was at least somewhat noticable that some union leaders seemed to act as minor kings, mafia kingpins, what have you, wealthy in a minor way, tyrannical in some ways. Meanwhile, in the ranks, some of the higher or luckier nobodies seemed to get away with not doing any work, or at least such was said. The bulk of the membership dutifully paid there dues. Probably, there was at least some griping, probably, somewhat valid.
B: A political faction in the US, anyway, I call it Republican, but I don’t know if it was the whole party, only the ‘Pubs, or what, figured out to systematically disparage unions in general, based around these perceived failings. These people had it in for unions. I think they were for the most part business men at different levels of wealth and influence who mostly disliked having their workers having so much power. I think they were able to appeal not only to there fellow bourgeoisie, but also partly to the portion of the working class who weren’t lucky enough to be unionized. In any case, there developed, by somewhere about the ’80’s, a lot of mixed feelings toward the unions. I think, though, it was fairly systematically driven by the faction mentioned above. This accounts for much of its success.
2)The bulk of the organized, large scale factory work that was often unionized got shipped overseas. The original poster was right about this. The American factory working class cohort is mostly gone, at least for now. At the time, though, that the union work was in the process of disappearing, there wasn’t the dismay there probably should have been amongst the American working class. This was in part due to the disparaging of unions that had successfully made the notion of them partly unfavorable to many Americans.
But… that, as “pretzelattack” points, out, that doesn’t mean that the working class itself is gone. It’s now mostly doing service work, some clerical-type stuff, some other stuff like construction. I really don’t know what. It’s not working shifts in factories, but I don’t know just what my compatriots are doing mostly. This doesn’t mean, though, that they can’t be organized still. It will take a new, and different (yes, times ARE different) kind of movement. On the face of it it does look fairly difficult to accomplish. The work the workers do now, it isn’t already half organized to begin with. There appears, in service work, and in the relatively few secretaries, say, in a given office building, to be much more atomization. But, yeah, the workers are still there. They just aren’t unionized any more. To change that may be possible, but it won’t be too easy.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jul 25 2023 2:04 utc | 175

There is no downside to the Democrats prosecuting Trump for whatever. After all the Republican leadership supports putting him in jail and nearly all the media will beat the propaganda drums in support. Given mail in voting the Democrats have no fear of a Republican rebel getting the presidency and paying them back. If they allow a republican to win the presidency he will be sure to prattle on about muh constitution and they will not divide us so will do nothing

Posted by: My Comment | Jul 25 2023 2:06 utc | 176

Conversation has gone a bit OT with the talk about alternative government but let me add my $0.02
Until and unless the public from many/all Western nations demands finance to stop being private and become a public utility, there is no other central social lever to move producing the desired results.
China can provide the example but the Western public from many/all nations needs to wake up to the social implications of public/private finance locally and globally.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 25 2023 2:51 utc | 177

Nobody 169
In Britain , government is preparing for a massive change in society where only the rich have electric cars, nice houses, holidays, while the rest of us are going to rent, use rickshaws, and mentally starve. Obviously there’s no public announcement of our fate, but there isn’t nearly enough electrical energy to replace gas and oil.
Wherever the US has destroyed , salaries are no longer paid, roads built, electricity made. US colonies like Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, show us what the US intends for Europe . We will be the new third-world.
A very tiny number from our European elites are leading us into destitution, through direct war, the destruction of NS 2 , and the deliberate running down of infrastructure, except for infastructure for the rich, like HS2.
Nothing we can do about it. Once the US has housed its nukes on your territory you are enslaved to US power. This market forces Capitalism idea is the biggest con ever. Once you are owned by the US, you have no freedom or self-determination.
Looks like our politicians sold us into slavery without our consent in 1978/9 and the main purpose of the Potus is to run their global plantation.
If us slaves were to demand our freedom, the Potus would demand financial compensation for the cost of projecting their shitty power over the RoW. Looking up from our toilet bowl one arse looks much the same as any other arse.
The mindset of the US is to enslave.
Thanks to the European Atlantacists / toilet cleaners for the US arse.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 25 2023 3:00 utc | 178

There is a prescient saying in the US: “You can indict a ham sandwich”. The reason this saying exists is because it is very easy to secure an indictment for anything in the US as an indictment is constitutionally required for all Federal crimes.
Trump is quite literally the only candidate running who can defeat the hand-puppet caricature that is Joe Biden – and the ones who are pulling the strings of Good Old Joe-From-Scranton from the shadows. Consider: Trump is the only candidate thus far who has unambiguously stated that if re-elected he will immediately seek a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine. Think of how much money MICC will lose if that comes to pass.
And, B here wonders why the Establishment is so desperate to stop Trump.

Posted by: Monos | Jul 25 2023 4:12 utc | 179

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2023 1:58 utc |
I’m sorry you had those bad experiences that came to nothing. But as I mentioned, it’s not about street protests or getting arrested. Really it’s about avoiding such things until the last possible moment.
The real work is gathering people around you and working out these problems, developing a winning plan, massing numbers, intervening strategically and carefully.
When you had those bad experiences what politics were you advancing? What political groups did you work with? You don’t have to say, but that’s typically where the problem lies.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 25 2023 4:50 utc | 180

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jul 25 2023 2:04 utc | 175
First, and this is purely from the top of my head/tip of my tongue, so forgive the lack of granular detail and footnotes, it’s important to acknowledge just how difficult it was and how much blood was literally spilled in the USA when workers (at first miners, in my family history anyway, then in the steel mills) initially stood up for their “right” to unionize and bargain collectively with the various robber barons and coal/steel magnates along the now Rust Belt, Appalachia and in the big cities like Chicago and New York. For a “quick” history lesson, watch the film “Matewan.” The men who owned “company towns” did not take fondly to paying a decent wage, allowing the workforce to buy and rent property as they pleased, and fought tooth and nail to keep workers of various ethnic extractions from forming common bonds so as to negotiate for better conditions. People were beaten and murdered, not just by “company men” but with help from local law enforcement, the feds, and private security firms like Brinks (IIRC). Union organizers were violently intimidated and would be union members blackmailed/coerced into subverting the formation of unions.
But to jonboinAR’s introductory statements, the answer is yes. For the most part the workforce – that is the working class or “blue collar” workers (many of whom were first and second generation immigrants – a topic into and of itself) toiled together in large factories, in mines, in power plants and on the railroads. And there were often company towns where everyone lived together. This did make it “easier” to form unions in the simple sense of colocation and the ability to quickly assemble and communicate. In addition, workers were drawn together by the harsh, often inhumane conditions they were forced to endure and, as mentioned, the low wages. Often union organizers were traveling men motivated by a sense of justice and brotherhood and they made their way from one company town or factory town to another, in many cases at great personal peril (the same forces violently suppressing unions kept a close eye on these men too). But the point remains, it was more practical for large groups of workers in close proximity to each other, working in bad physical conditions and for low wages to organize.
Now to item 1A. It’s my understanding that – again yes – certain unions were corrupted, including by the local mafia operatives, but also by the types of sabotage I alluded to. America has always been a land of “git rich quick” and personal greed where property ownership and material/financial wealth are viewed as prime life goals unto themselves. So owners and their henchmen could often corrupt union members and leaders with hidden perks. To the mafia, it’s my understanding that they realized the political power of unions and so they decided to infiltrate them and both bend the union’s ability to negotiate with numbers as well as hide within the union to cover their nefarious and illegal dealings. But the company owners also invited this kind of thing intentionally and otherwise. Intentionally when they viewed mafia protection and rackets as good for business and otherwise when the local mob boss had something on the business owner. Again, a topic worthy of a book.
There is another type of corruption, of course, and that’s the natural human desire for power. So many unions were to some degree corrupted by a combination of interior and exterior forces and of course still are. This definitely made it easier for the forces of finance and industrial capital to wage a PR war against all unions in general. I mean, look at them right? They’re corrupt and essentially agents of the mafia. Yet another topic that merits a whole book length discussion. And I didn’t even touch on pure laziness, which manifested famously in certain American automaker plants, to my personal knowledge in California. The unions became so powerful that essentially they did own the plant. Naturally, quality and efficiency suffered. This was the exception rather than the rule, if I understand the history correctly, but it did make for titillating print in the tabloids and other rags owned by the wealthy elite.
In any case, we have item 1B. I’ve already sort of addressed this, and you’re pretty much on the money at least through the 1980s (others more knowledgeable than myself can probably touch on Carter, Bretton Woods, and the Trilateral Commission) that Republicans, on the heels of the Powell Memo and Reagan were openly anti-union and were able to do their best to portray them as veritable extensions of Soviet Russia. So I won’t go into any more detail there.
On item 2, I also think you’re pretty dead-on. I’ll elaborate slightly. Until the Clinton presidency (again, not wanting to get into the flaws of Carter which others are more qualified to do), the Democrats generally stood up for unions, relied on their endorsements and votes, and had yet to fully kowtow to finance capital. As the jobs began leaving overseas (but first to Mexico) unions became naturally weakened due to pure numbers. The Democrats – really starting with Clinton who staffed his cabinet and advisory staff with several DINO Republican servants to the financier class – began to abandon the vanishing and fracturing working class (see: the Culture Wars as well) and started courting Wall Street and Silicon Valley investor money. This was really when “financial services” began to count as perhaps, if not the largest, the fastest growing sector of how American GDP was calculated and when the “service industry” began to take on more career workers (as opposed to teens and ‘between jobs’ adults in semi-temporary roles) and what ultimately led to the “gig economy” we have today. There’s nothing wrong with a professional waiter, bartender or cab driver, but the numbers of such positions began to outpace long-term, union-represented manufacturing and extraction jobs. With the advent of the Internet and social media (and the accompanying ‘quant’ type algo-driven ability to drive people down rabbit holes or into online stores), this workforce was much more easily manipulated, distracted and fractured.
Anyway, UPS, some rail workers, air traffic controllers, stevedores, and several other industries like actors and screenwriters have always been unionized. But a whole cottage industry of “management consultants”, many of whom specialize in (often very subtle forms of) union busting, rose up in the neoliberal ‘new world’ economy and were gladly embraced by the Waltons, Bezos’, Gates’, and other “new money” elites which helped prevent unionization of the modern workforce in the US.
Finally, to both yours and pretzelattack’s comments – exactly right. The “working class” is by no means gone. It’s 100% correct to refer to gig workers or Target employees who have no other choice but to live in their cars as such. What else would you call them? Further, teachers, police, firefighters, janitors and other NECESSARY roles in any functioning society are also part of the “working class” even if some of them are considered “middle class” completely wrongly (given the cost of living in most cities now). And yes, secretaries, even low level web designers, graphic designers, etc. It is more difficult to organize now due not only to there being so much atomization and the fact that company towns/giant mfg. plants are rarer, but also because of geographic separation (even the SAG and other showbiz unions generally had the “Hollywood” and Hollywood proper geography in common), the Culture Wars, censorship, algorithms driving both and outright hostile approaches to new types of unions forming. But I do think it’s the first step in forming class knowledge, solidarity and ultimately change for the better if things aren’t already too far gone. And given the ridiculousness of the basis for warmongering with China (e.g., the off-shoring of crucial chip manufacturing, etc.) it might be a good idea to start bringing certain industry back home even if not necessarily for the “right” reasons.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2023 4:59 utc | 181

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 25 2023 2:51 utc | 177
Excellent point about the commanding heights. Nonetheless, although China is a superior model of capitalism, it is no workers paradise. It’s still capitalism with all the pain for the majority of the population. It can and must be improved on.
It just seems nice to us because we inhabit the most filthy, retrograde capitalism imaginable at the moment. With the financial elites abolished and their ill gotten gains administered as a public utility for the good of society, china would quickly start to look a like a historical anachronism.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 25 2023 4:59 utc | 182

I should have made a very important note in my long post above. This is a personal pet theory of mine, but I think it’s meritorious.
The finance capitalists benefited greatly when the USSR collapsed. The Soviet Union – despite its many flaws – always served as a stark reminder to the moneyed elites, multi-millionaire factory and business owners, etc. that there was another way breathing down their necks. Unions lost a lot of power the moment it ended. This is precisely why China is portrayed as a hostile foreign power now despite the fact that so much of our economy relies on cheap Chinese goods and open trade relations. China has become the new-and-improved USSR for propaganda and class division purposes and they are milking it for all its worth.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2023 5:02 utc | 183

The Soviet Union – despite its many flaws – always served as a stark reminder to the moneyed elites, multi-millionaire factory and business owners, etc. that there was another way breathing down their necks.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2023 5:02 utc | 183

That basically gets right to the point. As long as the clash of systems existed, capitalists had a reason to treat their workforce reasonably well. The display in their shop window only had to be colourful, attractive and of high quality as long as they did not hold the monopoly.

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 25 2023 5:32 utc | 184

When you had those bad experiences what politics were you advancing? What political groups did you work with? You don’t have to say, but that’s typically where the problem lies.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 25 2023 4:50 utc | 180
Occupy and anti-war protests.
And you probed my point.
You have platitudes of when and what needs to be done.
But if you actually knew, you would have done it yourself.
I dont recall any overthrow of this system recently, so I will gp ahead and assume you see yourself as an advisor, perhaps manager and potential leader.
Protests do more than nothing, or discussing online options, times, couldas, shouldas, and wouldas.
Its just a protest. That’s step one, yet people advocate somehow getting to step three without them.
Uh huh, sure. The masses are just waiting for the truly dangerous, hard, a d potentially deadly conflicts. Thats why they sit out protests.
‘They dont do anything”
More than doing nothing. And thats all the vast majority of self proclaimed activists do.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2023 6:11 utc | 185

At the end of the day UWDude is right. Us keyboard warriors and desktop managers are doing nothing other than offering encouragement. I’ve written letters, donated, attended (small in far West Texas) Occupy and anti-Iraq war protests, but I’ve never taken part in a large coordinated direct action event.
Would anyone here – incluing UWDude – like to propose one against finance capitalism, the intertwined MIC and debt lords? I might be able to get involved.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2023 6:20 utc | 186

Whatever the US government is doing is definitely not governing, while social problems are mounting. Factions led by marasmatic demagogues are settling scores with each other. Very much like the Soviet Union a couple of years before it collapsed. The war in Ukraine is analogous to Afghanistan in the 80s. This could be the final nail in the coffin.

Posted by: Nomad | Jul 25 2023 6:35 utc | 187

The operative word in this article’s title is “failed”.
This US North-East coast swamp will fail like a madman in quicksand: the more action the less traction with the US voting audience.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 25 2023 7:42 utc | 188

I read that the need a charge of insurrection against Trump to stop him running. All other charges won’t work

Posted by: Johnj | Jul 25 2023 7:54 utc | 189

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2023 4:59 utc | 181
What you describe is vividly described by immigrants who came to the States and Canada in the early 1900’s. They were milked to the max not only by the capital owners but also by those supervising the workers. No bribe and no work was available. This worked because so many were looking for work.
So without fighting (blood) for workers rights none would have been given, PERIOD.
Now they want to take everything because much is owed in the form of pensions and social security payments. Best method to do this is to kill or destroy health those who are owed.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jul 25 2023 8:52 utc | 190

@karlof1 | Jul 24 2023 17:45 utc | 72
It appears to me that the thesis you share about 1787 has to do with the opposing views some american camps have about Alexander Hamilton vs Andrew Jackson. Being seen as heros or traitors depending on the camp.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 25 2023 9:06 utc | 191

Trump was just awarded Crown of Jerusalem
https://www.jns.org/us-news/donald-trump/23/7/16/302653/
Is that a new version of Get Out of Jail Free card?
Does Trump plan to hie off the no-extradition-treaty Israel rather than face a prison term?

Posted by: ChasMark | Jul 25 2023 9:15 utc | 192

My advice to anyone living in America is…. Dont

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 25 2023 9:39 utc | 193

Leaving the USA is not so easy for Americans whose taxation follows them anywhere and nowhere are they welcomed with the benefits of say a “Ukrainian or even a Salvadoran refugee”.

Posted by: qparker | Jul 25 2023 9:48 utc | 194

“There is a theory that the U.S. is undergoing some form of sovietization with a similar accumulation of defects and inefficiencies as occurred in the U.S.S.R. before it fell apart.”
Emmanuel Todd, the French political scientist you featured a few moths ago, wrote a book in 1976 “la Chute Finale” predicting the fall of the Soviet Union using evidence similar to the points you raise. In the 70s infant mortality started to rise in the USSR, haven fallen since the revolution, even in the worst moments of Stalinism. Todd pointed out also that the cost of policing the Warsaw Pact countries drained wealth from the USSR to its satellites.
It’s difficult to imagine what form the disintegration of the US would take. Todd, in one of his recent pointed jokes, noted that you could never have fascism in the USA, because everybody’s armed. You can’t have socialism either since while not actually banned by the constitution, the emergence of a popular leader advocating it is an unofficial capital offense.

Posted by: geoff chambers | Jul 25 2023 9:57 utc | 195

It was never a “failed effort”. It was always a show. With a top USA circus showman for effect. Divide & conquer.
No one, NO ONE, gets thru the vetted gates of candidacy unless on team. We’ve long past “elections” in this corrupt sesspool.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 25 2023 10:10 utc | 196

Monos 179
Trump’s immediate , pro-Khazar , diplomatic resolution of Ukraine is only being held up by Biden’s vampirism of Ukrainian Nazis ? ( I mean that in the literal sense , not the metaphorical sense ?
But …. , by 2024 Ukrainian blood will have run out. Ukraine will be a cluster-bombed, Khazar bankster-owned , no go zone, and Putin will have retired.
Europe and Russia are already wholly enslaved and chartered by US nukes. It can’t get any worse than it is now.
So why not just seal up Biden’s onesy straitjacket and call the election now?
Oh I see, the MIC needs the war to continue.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 25 2023 10:43 utc | 197

Whilst the normalisation of paedophelia progresses at breakneck speed through the Hollywood propaganda Punch and Judy act. The political machination and election fixing kabuki also rumbles on.
If Trump really blew the lid off the Bidens it would also show the whole Republican/ Democrat/ National Security / US State Department rich dynastic Americans, as the ultimate proxy Imperial Force for the last century and more for the World Bankers.
The ukrop natzos being just the latest excretion slimy appendage of it.
The whole cultural propaganda of the American Nightmare/ pavements of gold/ righteous Cowboys and ‘bad’ injuns (the only good ones being dead etc..) still daily persists like perfumed , powdered, syphalitic whores of old. Condoning and allowing the acceptance of true human evil amongst the daily life of Americanism.. heck if it is allied in America it must per we be a ‘good thing’ !
It goes for kkk/racism/invasion and murder of natives from the birth of Hollywood by the master of narrative and media such as De Griffiths, all these iconic producers, directors and their Narrative Manufacturies these Films we grow up with and were endlessly repeated on TV. Through to the shock jock Radio, venal and wholly controlled Press and modern media of The latest incarnation of the self made man Dream of Musk – Agent X.
That the Barbie and the Child abuse and trafficking movies come out at the same summertime holiday season does not seem in any way odd to people!
The ‘actor’ Cavaziel/Intelligence agent being a saintly guy (reprising his role from the post 9/11 ‘inspired’ ,as in planned, tv series legitimizing mass surveillance, extrajudicial murder, Exceptionalism and acceptance of the high and mighty state, even an AI overlordship! )
‘A spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down’. Ain’t that so true eh?
The saccharine sweet Barbie and Ken set alongside the darkness of the Real World allows the Normalisation of the evil. It will allow the Americans and Collective Wasters to accept that Child Abuse, organ Harvesting and use of humans by the rich and powerful is, you know okay, because hey you can’t have your American Dream, your Cake and Eat it, without allowing for such exploitation- hell it’s in the constitution, the right to do whatever because we are so special! Otherwise you are a commie err, leftist err, Putin err the rest of the world that’s a jungle that wants to ruin your eternal dream…
If the child abuse film was anything except part of selling that twin horned narrative and actually harmful to the Interests of the Rulers – it would not be allowed any release in any of the movie theatres or promotion in the media.
There will only be Change and actual Leadership once the Multipolar has stomped down the Unipolar sandcastle and the Americans can start at the same level as the rest of humanity – without exception.
Get a posse together!
The bandit pirate robber barons having left just a dust cloud as they escape with their loot to shapeshift into their next bloodsucking camouflage. Leaving a husk of our Collective Waste.
C.f todays PMI index of German manufacturing; also Politico’s media paymasters Axle Springers CEO saying they only employ staff who adhere to strict scripture.
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Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 25 2023 10:52 utc | 198

Re: Voting with your feet
The easiest way to leave the US for better pastures, is sell your house and cars. Use the net proceeds to buy a little rental property in your new homeland. Since, you have local income – bingo residency is usually a straightforward matter.
True as a US citizen, one needs to file US taxes every year, it’s a paperwork nightmare, but not a financial one.
Since 2007, every year more and more Americans have voted with their feet and emigrated.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 25 2023 11:56 utc | 199

karlof @ 72
The class that, in your words, gained control in 1787 was same as class that ruled in 1786 or 1686.
Before 1787 was Golden Age? Eschatology leading to salvation? Let us work with reality instead.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 25 2023 11:58 utc | 200