Something Amiss
There is a war happening in Europe that is, interestingly, no longer mentioned on the first two screens of the front pages of the Washington Post and the New York Times.
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The failure of the Ukrainian counter-offensive and its lack of any viable way to win the conflict seems to be sinking in.
Who wants to write or read about the huge strategic mistake the Biden administration committed when it blackmailed Ukraine as well as its other vassals, especially when the beltway gang is strongly in favor of another Biden presidency. The alternative, another round of artificially Trump-ed up chaos, seems unbearable to them.
This despite further evidence that Biden's policies and influence were always for sale, especially to foreign bidders.
That is, by the way, another scandal that is not allowed to be on the front pages the Washington 'elite' is filling for the commons' consumption.
Posted by b on July 21, 2023 at 14:26 UTC | Permalink
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Posted by: johnf | Jul 21 2023 14:37 utc | 3
thanks b..
in a way its a shame that this proxy war isn't still on these pages... the people who support this madness would be able to continue to get lies 24-7 on its apparent progress... but instead they remain pro ukraine while being blissfully ignorant about it all..
Posted by: james | Jul 21 2023 14:40 utc | 4
Sometimes things that don't seem to happen are almost as eloquent as things actually happening. Each day passing after the Vilnius Summit, without Russia attacking the ZNPP, it becomes more and more clear that it was Ukraine that was indeed planning a false flag attack strike on the powerplant.
After all, when the Russians were actually planning it, why would they stop after the summit? They had nothing to lose or gain with that summit, much in contrast with Ukraine!
History continues neverminding what is in the news or what is not, luckily, but for the msm news consumer, using his own brain, without the support of any media, seems to be something very risky!
Posted by: Pah Cartwright | Jul 21 2023 14:41 utc | 7
Out of sight, out of mind.
Proclaimed "changes of times" are usually short-lived.
Posted by: xblob | Jul 21 2023 14:47 utc | 9
marcif on the previous thread did a post which seems relevant to this one.. here is their full post below..
@ marcjf | Jul 21 2023 7:06 utc | 139
Colonel Marcus Reisner did a video around a month ago where he mentioned the war for the information space, and said this was a key ojbective for both sides. In particular this is important for Ukraine as it was always unlikely it could win a military victory, but it might do enough damage to create a regime change in Russia - or so went the theory.
MR argues that the Ukraine needs to keep the west on side, its governments and (arguably) its populations. Without this support it is toast. So it feeds the west a constant diet of UAF victories, RF losses and atrocities etc. Of course the western MSM is only too happy to repeat this garbage, as it seems are western Intelligence Agencies. And who would have guessed it, assuming politicians actually know or suspect the truth, they lie.
For Russia, they need enough popular support for the regime so that instability does not occur and the war can continue. Bear in mind the good Colonel was commenting before the Wagner episode.
Both sides maintain a tight control over messaging and censorship, especially it seems to me the so called free press in the west. But then I ca't read Russian and have been blocked by my government from many sources of Russian news (RT). So maybe they are doing the same. Hard to say from where I am sitting (in my government controlled safe space) but no doubt someone can illuminate me.
At least for the west the instant and co-ordinated propaganda response suggests pre-planning, if only on a contintengy basis. But I think there was more to that than this. Clearly the information war was always considered critical by NATO planners. And had economic sanctions had the intended impact, this might have worked. However this is hardly 4d chess and my opinion is Russia worked out the cunning plan long ago, and put in place anti-sanction measures long before the shooting broke out.
Posted by: james | Jul 21 2023 14:50 utc | 10
In the last 24 hours the narrative in the Western media has quickly shifted away from Ukraine.
The Western media is even admitting the truths of the Ukrainian failures. This is occurring across the Western media at the same time. It is a coordinated and planned event.
Ukraine has fallen from grace. Soon it will lose most of the remaining support it was promised.
Why is this happpening?
The West thought that it could take Russia down using Ukraine as a proxy.
Now, they know without any doubt, that is not going to work. The Ukrainian offensive is a decisive failure for Ukraine and NATO.
NOTE: It did not take a military genius to figure this one out. With overwhelming air superiority, the Russians have stopped the Ukrainian offensive and inflicted great harm onto the AFU in the process.
The greatest harm upon the AFU will now be inflicted by the Western main stream media. As Ukraine reads and listens to the grim fact that they have failed, the morale on the their front lines will quickly dissipate. Already, many foreign mercenaries have been deserting.
Soon the RF will be able to advance with much less resistance. They will quickly take the rest of the Donbas and Zaphorizhzhia.
This does not mean the USA and its NATO vassals are giving up. They can't afford to give up. They have to take Russia down otherwise they will quickly lose the world reserve currency status of the United States Dollar (USD). If that happens, you would not be able to recognize the USA 3 months later.
So, the USA will shift to other means to take down the Russian bear. If those means are nuclear, then most likely Russia is already aware.
Either the USA will take the bear down or it will go down itself trying. This is the snare that the USA is in. And it can't get out.
Posted by: young | Jul 21 2023 14:59 utc | 11
As in the Sherlock Holmes story, the dog that didn't bark.
Posted by: ian | Jul 21 2023 14:59 utc | 12
What??!! No, just in the last 24 hours the glorious ukie army has advanced 2500000 microns and seized 3 grains of sand. And it only cost 30,000 lives. Slobber ukraina!
Posted by: nook | Jul 21 2023 15:03 utc | 13
Question is.
Has the frozen conflict been initiated.
Or will the Russians proceed west in their own chosen tim?
Posted by: jpc | Jul 21 2023 15:04 utc | 14
Ukriane is effectively a land locked (failed) country.
Without black sea access from ukraine its value is much much less. NATO dares not attack from romania
Welcome to being the next moldova
Posted by: Ct23 | Jul 21 2023 15:05 utc | 15
This post is a big supposition. Remember when "b" took several days off from posting. People could've interpreted that as him losing hope in this war, but he said that he thought he was just reporting the same thing over and over again.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:07 utc | 16
The last time I read about Ukraine on the front page and front line news was maybe a week ago with the narrative of the "counter-offensive slower than expected". Now the grain deal thing.
It will just so occur, that be it one year or a few years from now, Russia will dictate terms to US. Bye bye Ukraine, no one is going to miss it.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 21 2023 15:08 utc | 17
And note that CNN and al-Jazeera still maintain their live feeds. It's more the two papers' fault at not giving this and other news stories the coverage they deserve.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:10 utc | 18
Still reporting on Ukraine here in UK - though they seem to write less and less relevant stories.
Really quite pathetic stories, clearly prepared in Kiev for visiting hacks.
AI-generated profile images shared by the women on dating apps have been used to attract dozens of unwitting RussiansMaxim Tucker, Dnipro
Wednesday July 19 2023, 7.00pm, The Times
She devotes two hours each day to flirting with a man she hates, hoping it will hasten his demise. In return, he sends his musings on women’s underwear, videos of him interrogating her captured countrymen and pictures of their corpses.
Occasionally though, Angelina — not her real name — receives something more useful. A photo of a military passport, revealing clues about a unit. A video of an amorous soldier driving and singing, giving away his location. Or shocked appeals for sympathy after the death of a comrade, demonstrating an accurate Ukrainian strike.
Her AI-generated profile pictures, visible across dating apps targeting men in occupied border areas, have lured dozens of desperate Russian soldiers into her honeytrap since President Putin’s invasion began.
Posted by: Michael Droy | Jul 21 2023 15:10 utc | 19
james, regarding the information war, I take its main purpose to be to keep the population behind the policy of aggression. If this is the case this news from Russia is of significance:
"The Bank of Russia has raised its benchmark interest rate to 8.5% amid rising inflation, the central bank announced on Friday.
"The key rate has been hiked by 100 basis points from 7.5%.
"The regulator cited rising inflation and a weakening ruble as the reasons for the move.
“The rising domestic demand exceeds production capabilities, partly due to the limited workforce, which in turn increases inflation pressure on the economy,” the regulator said. The consumer price index is expected to be between 5% and 6.5% this year.
"The Russian currency has been weakening since the start of the year, which also adds to inflation risks, the central bank said."
What this means is that Russian workers, the great majority of the people, are facing another attack on living standards- the rate hike being designed to increase unemployment, lower wages, and transfer wealth from the poor to the rich.
Russia is doing what no other government ever does in wartime which is to direct the economy by fiscal measures through the market. Unfortunately this policy, which would be Quixotic in other circumstances, is designed to antagonise the very people that the government needs to support the war.
This might be an occasion on which Echo Chamber could bring his expert knowledge to bear.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 21 2023 15:10 utc | 20
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:10 utc | 18
CNN made a report some days ago where their reporter was in Odessa filming the amazing Arabian wedding night, where AA guns popped off with dakka-dakka-dakka. The CNN reporter said that it was the most amazing display of air defense power he had seen.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 21 2023 15:12 utc | 21
@ bevin | Jul 21 2023 15:10 utc | 20
thanks... i don't know the ins and outs of all that, so i am going to have to defer to someone else as well.. thanks for the update..
Posted by: james | Jul 21 2023 15:14 utc | 22
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 21 2023 15:12 utc | 21
You mean this?
I don't see anywhere in the CNN website of them retracting this story because of any mistake that you claim.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:17 utc | 23
And there are plenty of days where "b" only posts "ukraine thread" and "other thread" with no comment. Those days could be interpreted as having nothing but good news for Ukraine that "b" could not bring himself to report.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:19 utc | 24
@ unumperator 17
one year or a few years from now, Russia will dictate terms to US.
When that happens, it will be extemely intersting to see how and if the MSM covers it. I couldn't begin to predict, Actual coverage means the West is either digging in for a long struggle, or the MSM going over to beating a dead horse because the PTB behind the MSM have ditched today's Deep State. Non-coverage would be an attempt to sail on, regardless.
Moar popcorn, please.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Jul 21 2023 15:21 utc | 25
@ Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:17 utc | 23
they mention in the video of russias success of the attacks too... as a person who watches cnn, do they mention this is in response to the attack on the crimea bridge? i very much doubt it... that would show integrity, as opposed to omission which seems to be the only way the western media functions at this point - omission being the name of the game.. tell one side of the story on ignore the other... if you're happy with that, you get what you deserve..
Posted by: james | Jul 21 2023 15:25 utc | 26
cnn video that inkan posted... listened and watched it all.. what a waste of time.. no wonder i never watch/listen to this kind of shit..
if you want to remain ignorant - watch cnn... that is the conclusion one quickly comes to!!
Posted by: james | Jul 21 2023 15:28 utc | 27
@ bevin | Jul 21 2023 15:10 utc | 20 who wonders about exchange rate manipulation
Come on folks! I just reported last night on the open thread about Turkey and its being hammered by exchange rate manipulations. Exchange rates are manipulated just like commodity prices by the big players in finance.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 21 2023 15:29 utc | 28
What we know about the Empire of Lies is that it always doubles down on failure, because it cannot admit error as it rules by divine right.
Soon negotiations will begin to ensure Blackrock's multi-trillion dollar investment portfolio. Because of weapons' depletion in the meat grinder, production of new weapons are ramped up on 'war footing' because BOO!!!!!
The secular humanists who run things cannot admit defeat or mistake and will hasten the implementation of their totalitarian (democracy) scheme on the back of whatever crisis they can manufacture.
Posted by: gottlieb | Jul 21 2023 15:30 utc | 29
Interestingly CBC ran a piece the other day suggesting peace negotiations since neither Russia nor Ukraine are winning. The narrative is shifting.
Posted by: Chris N | Jul 21 2023 15:32 utc | 30
Posted by: james | Jul 21 2023 15:28 utc | 27
cnn video that inkan posted... listened and watched it all.. what a waste of time.. no wonder i never watch/listen to this kind of shit..
I never post links to MSM stories here because I know ahead of time people here won't give a second to them. But the thing is, if MSM media is so irrelevent, why should we care about what's on the front pages of these newspapers then?...
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:32 utc | 31
Posted by: JessDTruth | Jul 21 2023 15:21 utc | 25
It will happen, especially regards to Ukraine. The Swamp will handle it by fading away Ukraine into the memory-hole, like they are doing now. Bidet regime said Ukraine has till November to show something significant.
As a response AFU embarked on this attempt to surround Bakhmut, failing that, they are once again attempting to recapture it frontally while getting rolled over elsewhere.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 21 2023 15:33 utc | 32
The most important news in the world today is the death of a 96 year old man who once sang for a living.
The 96 young Ukrainian or Russian men who have died already today is not worthy of a mention.
Strange oul world.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jul 21 2023 15:34 utc | 33
This is an unusual silence. And again,they've painted themselves into a corner and are simply attempting to keep things quiet until a new approach is found. IOW they get the sense they fucked up and they're stalling for time, hoping for a miracle.
Ukraine’s Other Allies
The West Should Assist the Private Actors Helping Arm Kyiv
By Jahara Matisek, William Reno, and Sam Rosenberg
July 19, 2023
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/kyiv-ukraines-other-allies
Saw this article and got a sense, as someone mentioned last week, they may begin using mercenary groups to cope with the decimation of Ukie soldiers.
In the article, they also express concern about growing public opposition to the war on Russia in Ukraine. They're right about that. All this BS about dumb Americans believing what they're told that comes up here is just wrong.
There's a massive silent opposition in the US to this war. It's only waiting for leadership and a vehicle to express itself. For those chosen barflies who look down on the wage slaves of the US: There are only two parties and both are pushing the war in Russia. There is no anti war party. No revolutionary party. There is not even a party that could be considered left in the US.
RC is definitely scared of an open conflict between NATO and Russia, but they can't let this doomed effort to sink Russia go, so building and funding their own Wagners seems like the logical next move, allowing them to reduce political blowback while shoring up what's left of the Ukie army.
Could also explain the western medias continued obsession with Prigo. They want one of their own.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 21 2023 15:42 utc | 34
"...if MSM media is so irrelevent, why should we care about what's on the front pages of these newspapers then?"
It is useful to know what nonsense ignorant, cerebrally atrophied meat robots like StInkan are being programmed with. What the presstitutes are commanded to focus on provides insight into the imperial strategists' state of mind, and the fact they'd rather not be talking about the Ukraine right now says a lot.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 21 2023 15:43 utc | 35
In today's edition of "how X proves that the West is getting tired of the war and will fold any day now"...
Zelenski's Regime Is Finished - 04 May 2023
Biden Prepares To Give Up On Ukraine - 25 April 2023
Ukraine - Running On Empty - 24 November 2022
Ukraine - Lights Out, No Water And Soon No Heat - 23 November 2022
Ukraine's Mystic Kherson Offensive Did Not, And Will Not Happen - August 12 2022
And so on...
By the way, this was posted on February 24, 2022
Disarming Ukraine - Day 1
Where is the article
Disarming Ukraine - Day 512?
Posted by: Soothsayer | Jul 21 2023 15:43 utc | 36
The neocons and beltway farmers might be millionaires, but their minds are penned in with the cowpats like cows in locked field or ventilated barn.
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 21 2023 15:45 utc | 37
Within a couple of months the main preoccupation of America and the western world will be the US presidential election, nothing else will matter to America the rest of the world wont concern them. Top to bottom.
I think Vladimir Putin knew this from the beginning of the SMO and was a major consideration regarding his go slow approach.
It will work in Russia's favour in alot of different ways.
'Playing for time'
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 21 2023 15:51 utc | 38
@ Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:32 utc | 31
in answer to your question... we shouldn't.. or, only in so far as we can acknowledge the steady stream of propaganda 24-7.. the fact that their is a possible break or pause to it might be a positive development as b suggests.. and of course william gruffs conclusion holds true here as well - "the fact they'd rather not be talking about the Ukraine right now says a lot."
Posted by: james | Jul 21 2023 15:53 utc | 39
It seems ukraine is unwilling to use up all the resources the west sent and is instead hoarding them, probably for defensive purposes later on, but that wasn't the plan, they were supposed to use everything or die trying. So they're getting more stuff, but it's begrudgingly.
There's also a big push to setup training facilities and production facilities in ukraine so were witnessing the abandonment of ukraine by the west. Like the Vietnamation phase of the US pullout from Vietnam.
After all if ukraine won't be the battering ram what use is it? It's a black hole of resources.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 21 2023 15:54 utc | 40
Posted by: Soothsayer | Jul 21 2023 15:43 utc | 36
Day 1:
-Ukraine had the experienced Donbass army, from bombarding Donbass for 8 years. Ukraine had kilometer long queues of motivated, trained and fresh reserve fighters waiting to get mobilized. Ukraine had all officer corps and the full might of inherited Soviet army, the 2nd largest in the world.
Day 256:
-Ukraine Donbass veterans are dead. Ukraine mobilization degraded to kidnapping random people from the streets. 4 million people have left the country to Russia and Europe. Ukraine army propped up with all the remaining Soviet equipment from eastern Europe, Africa and South America, and Indochina.
Day 512:
Ukraine command is basically braindead. Ukraine mobilization further degraded to breaking into private houses in hunt for Leopard drivers. 8 million people have left for Russia and Europe. Nato 2nd hand equipment from the 1970s-80s and even very modern equipment substituted (in significantly less than half) the old Soviet equipment. Nato equipment turns out to be fragile, non-maintainable, and not built to last conditions. Ukraine's counter-offensive advertised for more than 6 months wasted half of western vehicles in 5-6 weeks.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 21 2023 15:57 utc | 41
Sorry if already posted:
Warum die Gegenoffensive der Ukraine scheitert: https://www.telepolis.de/features/Warum-die-Gegenoffensive-der-Ukraine-scheitert-9223148.html?seite=all
Russischer Panzerkiller: Bringt diese Drohne die Niederlage der Ukraine? https://www.telepolis.de/features/Russischer-Panzerkiller-Bringt-diese-Drohne-die-Niederlage-der-Ukraine-9223628.html?seite=all
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 21 2023 16:04 utc | 42
I can think of one big news that also suddenly dissapeared from front top of main stream media like Ukraine did:
The Covid Pandemic sudden dissapearance.
It literally went from "we all will die u less we vax everyone" on top of front news pages daily to.....
Poof gone. All gone and scrubbed from news media.
One day to the next.
This Ukraine thing seems to be going same way.
Posted by: Comandante | Jul 21 2023 16:06 utc | 43
Never mind Ukraine. It's Europe that appears to surrendered unconditionally to the US, caving in to all of Trump's** demands, paying hundreds of billions in tributes (by paying ridiculous prices for LNG and useless US Weapons, and not fighting the US inflation act that moves key European industries to the US.
**Never mind Biden, he just happens to work in the White House while MAGA is bearing fruit.
Posted by: Marvin | Jul 21 2023 16:08 utc | 44
So Ukraine has become another Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan: a war that can no longer be won but which nobody knows how to end. It will be interesting how this will end. In those other wars it was a following president that ended the war: ending a war that you started would be confessing that you have failed.
However, it is far from certain that Biden will have that luxury.
Posted by: Wim | Jul 21 2023 16:13 utc | 45
@All
Many articles recently have opined that the west is indeed winning and won the propaganda war which may be more important and more critical for multiple regimes like the us/uk/ukro monstrosities. The problem is, that war was directed at the Golden Billion in order to keep them engaged or placated. Funny thing though, many of those normally will skip over that shite and head straight to the latest NFL and baseball news or have their head in their cellphones looking at the latest Big Thing on Tik Tok. So actually, the establishment media is only "winning" over maybe half a billion of the West's Worst. Not me though, I'm glued here with all your captivating links.
Posted by: safe | Jul 21 2023 16:26 utc | 46
AOL address 46
One cow turns slowly to another :
" Why don't we get Soros to brainwash the Ukrainians into being Nazis, upset Russia and then get them all killed. "
Other cow replies slowly:
" yeah, but even if our owner got the whole country through Blackrock and Zio-banking, we'd still be in shut-up in the barn."
" that's right , sister, even if FUKUSIS hegemonised the whole world, us cows'd still be just kept in a barn , same as all the stupid humans."
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 21 2023 16:27 utc | 47
It wouldn't make a difference if they did admit it. The same people who were wagging the blueyellow nazi rag on their Twitter profiles a year ago will have forgotten the existence of Ukranazistan a year from now, just as they have long since forgotten the existence of Syria, which they had been agitating to invade, and are quickly forgetting the existence of Afghanistan.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 21 2023 16:30 utc | 48
@Marvin 47:
The final enslavement and colonisation of Europistan is a wonder to behold and I fit one - though I have relatives in Germany and Brutain and close friends in Amsterdam - have not the slightest sympathy for any of them.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 21 2023 16:33 utc | 49
@Mark2 38:
The worst possible timing for Bidet is if Ukranazistan spectacularly implodes just a month or so before the November 2024 selection; too spectacularly to ignore, too close to the selection to memory hole it. Unlikely that it will last anywhere near that long, though, at the rate at which it is bleeding itself out.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 21 2023 16:36 utc | 50
Delicious how these OP's put a finger right on the tender spot, and push. The gnashing and thrashing elicited just serves as an exclamation point. It is hard to find humor in this sick society, but I sure get a laugh from the precision and the response.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Jul 21 2023 16:38 utc | 51
Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:07 utc | 16
"This post is a big supposition. Remember when "b" took several days off from posting. People could've interpreted that as him losing hope in this war..."
b is one person. The NYT is hundreds of scribblers. If one propagandist goes on vacation, there's plenty of others to take up the slack, and therefore zero reason to miss a day of wall to wall lies about the war.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 21 2023 16:39 utc | 52
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:07 utc | 16
And how does your post has any relevance to the current situation? You tie two unrelated events in your mind and expect one to imply the other?
Posted by: Boo | Jul 21 2023 16:43 utc | 53
The US Presidential elections begin in earnest after Labor Day (Sep4) which will probably coincide with the great counter-counter offensive (Russian that is). Odessa, a thrust from the top to cut off Kharkov, same story for Kiev, and a push to the Dniepr. Everybody following this story with an ounce of objectivity sees this. Many pundits are now saying "Russia has won the war but it must now win the peace."The Zelensky regime is dead. Firing ambassadors won't help. Could this explain why the Central Bank jacked up rates?
Posted by: Stierlitz | Jul 21 2023 16:44 utc | 55
“They can't afford to give up. They have to take Russia down otherwise they will quickly lose the world reserve currency status of the United States Dollar (USD).”
—young (#11)
Although the US$ is on its way out as the world’s reserve currency, there is no imminent replacement. The BRICs “gold-backed trade currency” has problems, the greatest if which is the requirement for mutual trust among nations who claim gold reserves. So motivation to continue the kinetic aspect if the conflict in order to preserve the US$ as world reserve currency is not pressing.
Mish Shedlock has a good recent post on this:
https://mishtalk.com/economics/more-gold-backed-bric-currency-silliness-on-dethroning-the-dollar/
Posted by: Ciaran | Jul 21 2023 16:44 utc | 56
This is all I could sift from the wsj webpage, just now.
Russia Boosts Rates as Ukraine War Costs Mount
Russia Seeks to Divert Ukrainian Forces Away From Counteroffensive
Ukraine to Seize Russian-Controlled Bank
OPINION - The Parable of F-16s for Ukraine
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 21 2023 16:47 utc | 57
Please excuse the fat fingers—I entered “if” rather than “of” twice in the previous post.
Posted by: Ciaran | Jul 21 2023 16:47 utc | 58
I have been thinking that maybe Mr. Putin has been waiting for the war in Ukraine to fade from the news media of the west before starting his much anticipated offensive. How would the MSM of the West spin this sort of thing?
Posted by: Boxwoodtree1 | Jul 21 2023 16:48 utc | 59
The proxy war was started & kept going, with the very same mass deception procedures used by Hitler/Goebbels.
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All effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands. ~ Joseph Goebbels
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The essential English leadership secret... depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness ...when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it... ~ Joseph Goebbels
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Adolf Hitler wrote: in Mein Kampf (1925)
"..this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie... It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
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"His (Hitler's) primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off [Covid/Shock doctrine] never admit a fault or wrong;[USA is always right no matter what!!] never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one... if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it." ~ Walter C. Langer
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Source (uncensored page 12March22):
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Big_lie&oldid=3085641
Posted by: Toby C | Jul 21 2023 16:58 utc | 60
It's commonly believed that the foreign policy propaganda from mainstream media is meant to influence the common people, whereas in truth the people running the government and mainstream media do not care what the common people believe since they have no real influence. The mainstream media's propaganda purpose is rather to influence the upper middle and the upper classes, people making a few hundred thousand dollars a year and upward are the only people who matter to the media and the politicians.
So the media and politicians pushing censorship are in reality not trying to keep the working class from being properly informed, they are trying to keep the donor class misinformed. They matter, e.g., lawyers, doctors, architects, corporate executives, government officials, and so on are the upper middle class, people making a few hundred thousand to a few million a year. Then there are the rich and very rich upper classes who are able to sponsor by themselves political candidates: people making 10 million a year and upwards either from a very high paying job, from stock dividends, or from inheritance. The media and the politicians are trying to keep them pacified under the directions of the very rich who either own the media outlet or own the politicians.
The opinions of the working class do not matter at all to the media and politicians, unless they are able, through the internet, to influence the upper middle class and upper classes by discussing events in a contradictory way to the mainstream media and politicians. That is the purpose of the censorship regimes being built the last handful of years.
Ever since the rise of the internet has given the average person the ability to influence how the upper classes understand "the narrative," the media and political class under the direction of the "power elite" have been trying to bring an end to an open and free speech internet.
Posted by: kana | Jul 21 2023 16:58 utc | 61
Russia seizes Calsberg Beer and Danone Yogurt assets.
Found on Bloomberg, behind a paywall, so I won't post a link.
Follow up story on ZH if interested.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 21 2023 17:01 utc | 62
cia ran,
Mish is an economist?
on the other hand there are economists with adverse, inductive argument equally as acceptable
take 2 economists add and divide by 3 or 4.
acco hengst
some central banks raise rates to cool a surging economy.
other like the federal reserve of the usa fear rate hike will trip up a paper dollar and prevent the slow recovery from covid and green money printing.
wsj is a rag, as above you need a bucket of salt reading their econ opinions
Posted by: paddy | Jul 21 2023 17:04 utc | 63
The reason why the American public is ignorant about the USA policy overseas especially the war in Ukraine is the stupid American newspapers and editors who dare to print the truth or simply too patriotic to print and tell the truth .
So if the news media tell it as it is , the American public would be more educated and knowledgeable about the issues .
And we claim that we have a free press , no we do not have free press bu a press controlled by the CIA or the defense dept , White House and so on . Not to mention most of our news media controlled by the AngloZionist gangs .
You get the picture , very crummy picture .
Posted by: Bobby | Jul 21 2023 17:06 utc | 65
Lesson of the Day: If You Weaponize the Dollar and Confiscate Assets, Expect Retaliation
Russia Seizes Western Yogurt and Beer
Posted by: Bunoo | Jul 21 2023 17:06 utc | 66
Meanwhile, at one end of the 'full spectrum dominance' the US/Ukraine is losing the war...-
-- and in the meantime The grift/backhander/bribe mechanisms are being connected 'join-the-dots' exercise in congress leads inevitably to Impeachment for Bidet criminal inditements for his family.
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-downfall-of-blobism/
Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 21 2023 17:07 utc | 67
funny. I was just skimmig the WaPo´s online headlines.
Out of 30 news items, about 20 are abut one man: T.R.U.M.P.
He doesnt even have to pay an agency.
They are doing the advertising FOR him for free.
They are so obsessed with him.
But if you need an enemy you will do anything to keep him alive.
(If h hadn´t run thy wouls have had to invent him.)
"Keep your friends close. Your enemies even closer."
Posted by: AG | Jul 21 2023 17:07 utc | 68
So Ukraine has become another Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan: a war that can no longer be won but which nobody knows how to end. It will be interesting how this will end. In those other wars it was a following president that ended the war: ending a war that you started would be confessing that you have failed.Posted by: Wim | Jul 21 2023 16:13 utc | 48
This war is nothing like Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan (both the RU and the US wars).
In Vietnam the US went in order to stop it from becoming communist and in order to further encircle China. Had it won that is what would have happened -- South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, all right on China's borders. Same story in Korea previously (partial success for the US there).
In Afghanistan the Russians went in order to protect the pro-Soviet government there.
Iraq 1991/2003 and Afghanistan 2001 were again done for reasons having to do with projecting power externally.
But all of these were small/weak countries and nobody intended to break them up and change the ethnic make up.
The only somewhat proper analogy is Yugoslavia, where they did break it up, first by stoking separatism, then by directly going to war against the center.
Ukraine is nothing like Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan. Ukraine isn't a real country, it is a fake made up thing designed to tear off the most important chunk of the Russian world from the motherland. A project that started nearly two centuries ago. And Russia isn't Yugoslavia, it is the largest nuclear power on the planet.
The stakes are incomparably higher.
Posted by: shаdowbanned | Jul 21 2023 17:10 utc | 70
Ukraine Pravda: War In A Nutshell
- Ukraine's Zelensky sacks ambassador to UK Prystaiko after criticism
- Ben Wallace: Ukraine has 'tragically become a battle lab' for war technology
- UK Army On Austerity Due to Gifts to Ukraine
- Vice-admiral Kay-Achim Schönbach
My hero, German admiral who dared speak the truth ... fired by the Ampel Koalition of Baerbock, Melzer and Scholz (in alphabetical order).
War crime … calling ICC prosecutor Karim Khan, work needs to be done …
UA Blasting American Cluster Bombs
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:07 utc | 16
Lol which would imply massive coordination between the various mainstream media companies.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2023 17:14 utc | 73
To end the war, I proposed on March 2nd this year, that the empire could memory-hole Ukraine, as other adventures like Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. have been memory-holed.
It appears the process is now afoot. Gone from the front pages, and soon from other pages as well. Poof, it didn’t really happen, see?
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jul 21 2023 17:14 utc | 74
I don't see anyone mentioning that Strelkov was arrested today, for stoking "extremsim".
The other day Kvachkov was repressed too, and that is coming after the string of dismissals of patriotic-leaning commanders in the army.
What does that look like?
Meanwhile it is Day 5 after the Kerch bridge was hit again, and despite Shoigu's loud proclamation that any attack on Crimea will be immediately answered with strikes against "decision making centers", in Kiev they are sleeping calmly and without any worries.
You see ridiculous talk about how there will be a response, but the list of targets is still being finalized. As if that makes it any better -- if you come out and say what Shoigu said, you must have that targeting done and have it ready to be launched on a very short notice. Otherwise you are just not serious.
Posted by: shаdowbanned | Jul 21 2023 17:15 utc | 75
https://vk.com/wall701885602_82552
In connection with today's detention on charges of extremism Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, I, retired colonel V.I. Alksnis, declare that this is not just a crime of our government, but much worse.This is a mistake that will cost her dearly. But the problem is that it will cost dearly not only to the authorities, but to all of us. We are talking about the threat of the death of Russia, as a state with a thousand-year history, which is already recognized even by President V. Putin.
Our government, unable to achieve a military defeat of Ukraine on the battlefields, decided to act on the principle: “Beat your own people so that others are afraid!”. She decided to shut the mouth of people who support the military actions in Ukraine, but are highly critical of the way they are carried out.
Didn't Igor Strelkov from the beginning of the NMD shout about the need for mobilization in order to achieve at least parity in manpower with the enemy?
Didn't Igor Strelkov call for a ban on "meat storms" that led to a wave of thousands of funerals in the homes of our fellow citizens?
Didn't Igor Strelkov warn about the lack of adequate support for our troops in Ukraine and the need to mobilize not only the army, but also our defense industry? What about society as a whole?
Didn't Igor Strelkov warn for many months about the danger of the presence of the Wagner PMC on the front and the possibility of any illegal actions on her part, including a rebellion? Isn't Igor Strelkovdemanded an end to hatred propaganda on federal TV channels, which essentially work for the enemy and instead of forming a defense consciousness, lulling our citizens that everything is going according to plan and our victory will happen any day?
Didn't Igor Strelkov warn about the danger of constant "agreements", "grain deals" and concern for ammonia pipelines in combination with gas pipelines, as well as treacherous concern for bridges across the Dnieper?In this situation, I, Colonel Alksnis, express solidarity with my colleagues Colonel V. Kvachkov and Colonel I. Strelkov.
Do what you must, and be as it will be!
Viktor Alksnis is probably next in line to spend time in jail.
Posted by: shаdowbanned | Jul 21 2023 17:18 utc | 76
Posted by: Comandante | Jul 21 2023 16:06 utc | 44
Keep in mind that the pandemic disappeared from the news on February 23,2022.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2023 17:20 utc | 77
paddy 65
If every time money is printed for war a large part of that money ends up in the pockets of the elites, the state economy goes down but the real economy goes up.
They are not going to control their own criminal assets, I don't think. They
just think that they will become relatively richer than us plebs faster if they increase our cost of living while at the same helping themselves to state assets.
After food and housing money is irrelevant and useless. But becoming richer than others gives them a sense of purpose in life.
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 21 2023 17:23 utc | 78
" Rheinmetal Plant to become legitimate target for Russian army in Ukraine - Moscow " . Russians sobering Criminal Germs stupidity, isn't it ?. Drang Nacht Osten is in their criminal DNA. Theodore Kaufman was right: " Germany Must Perish" is only solution for Peace in EUROPA !!!
Posted by: Lech | Jul 21 2023 17:32 utc | 79
Everyone was saying that Russia was fighting this SloMO in a manner so as to draw NATO resources to its destruction in Ukraine, hence Russia is not disrupting the supply routes from Poland too much and all that jazz. So the West can only forget about the war in Ukraine if Russia stops its SloMO, and its only Putin the Peace Maker who can make a decision on stopping the SloMO. So the West needs to ask Putin's permission in order to forget about the war in Ukraine, else Russia will just keep on shelling until the whole of Ukraine is under Russian control.
Then what about Poland. The Polish still want to defend the West until the last Pole, so this war is nowhere near finished. Then Russia has also got to repay the West in kind for all the DU and cluster munitions the West gave to Ukraine to use against Russian forces. So whether the West can forget about the war all depends on Putin the Peace Maker, on whether he wants to make the West pay for coming to close to the bear's lair, or whether he wants to forgive the West for all its sins like the Christian he is. But will Russia stop the SloMO for Christian reasons or for inferiority complex reasons (not wanting to wipe out one's superior), that is the question.
Posted by: gT | Jul 21 2023 17:34 utc | 80
@72
wrt usa decades long fumblefest in Southeast Asia after gutting the 1954 Geneva accord….
a lot simpler than that
ur wrong
Posted by: paddy | Jul 21 2023 17:41 utc | 81
Everyone was saying that Russia was fighting this SloMO in a manner so as to draw NATO resources to its destruction in Ukraine, hence Russia is not disrupting the supply routes from Poland too much and all that jazz. Posted by: gT | Jul 21 2023 17:34 utc | 82
Let's be honest here. Even if RU had some theoretical possibility to hit on-the-move convoys from Poland to Ukraine ( it probably can't hit moving convoys in western Ukraine), it it much more efficient to focus their recon assets in the area near and east of Dnepr, in the most likely areas where they will be stockpiled for the end use scenario, attack and defense. That is Dnepro, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Chasov Yar, Slavyansk, etc. It is a much smaller area to cover, but it can be covered with much more density and redundancy making finding stuff more efficient.
Within the last week they hit the train with Leopard and Bradley's in Kharkov rail junction. So why didn't they hit the same train in Lvov? The answer is obvious.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 21 2023 17:50 utc | 82
The powerful manipulate the narrative because they are psycho/ sociopaths.
End of.
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 21 2023 17:55 utc | 83
@shаdowbanned | Jul 21 2023 17:18 utc | 78
Strelkov and all of Wagner, and others of a similar mindset, should all be dragged off to some factory in Siberia where tanks are manufactured. Maybe a new factory can be built just for them there, an Armata factory. They can either die working on the factory floor or die fighting on the frontlines when WW3 breaks out. Either way they will die for the glory of Russia so they won't be too upset. No Government, no matter its best intentions, has the time or energy to take everyone's opinion into consideration, so its best that those with too much energy and opinions can utilize their overabundance of energy in a manner which benefits the state, as opposed to utilizing their overabundance of energy in a manner that detracts from the day to day running of the state. During war time democratic liberties such as expressing one's opinion should be curtailed, and it is war time in Russia now is it not?
Posted by: gT | Jul 21 2023 17:58 utc | 84
The arrest of Strelkov was in my opinion unwarranted. Not because he or his Club Of Infuriated Patriots (whoever came up with that name needs to go lie down) have any credibility, but for precisely the opposite reason. Strelkov is an embittered has been whose predictions since 2015 have only ever mattered by how spectacularly wrong they were (like his predicting Russia would lose in Syria and Assad was doomed). In recent days he is no more than a ranting clown. Letting him rant from his soapbox doesn't make him credible. Arresting him, however, gives him a legitimacy he does not deserve. He should just be told to pipe down and be let go, before he's been reinvented into some kind of wronged martyr.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 21 2023 18:04 utc | 85
"Keep in mind that the pandemic disappeared from the news on February 23,2022.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2023 17:20 utc | 79"
Thats not how I remember. Covid dissapeared from front pages quite a while before that. Sometime in late 2022.
But...
There is a comedy gold youtube skit where Biden gathers top minds in USA to plan on the "Jewtrain thang" as Biden calls it.
When everyone is gathered in comes Fauci with a box of vaccine boosters.
"Sorry Im late guys got vaccines for everyone"
Biden responds
"GTFOutta here Fauci. We already DID THAT. It went from Black Guys Matter, to the booster thang and now the Jewtrain thang
We are on the Jewtraine thang now. Da F.... Outta here. (I hate this guy...)"
Lol
Posted by: Comandante | Jul 21 2023 18:04 utc | 86
I wonder if "Putin the Peacemaker" exists. Not only in an actual sense but in a mythic sense. Increasingly the dirty little war in the Ukraine appears, actually as it did in the earliest hours of the conflict, one where Russia gets to do heavy lifting for the WEF in exchange for certain elites to have a seat at the table during the Blood Banquet. And if one pushes a bit harder on the notion Russia is since the fall of not just the USSR but the fall of the Tsar viewed strictly as a resource colony like all other states by globalist international finance. Comprador elites are not nationalists. Nor need they be. Their loyalty lies with Mammon not man.
Posted by: Stegiel | Jul 21 2023 18:06 utc | 87
Sorry heres the vid lol
Before the Black Guys Matter thang remember it was the Trump volluded with Russia thang.
So it really went from:
- Trump is an evil Russian agent - 4 years
- Black Guys Matter - 1 year?
- Booster thang - 2 years
- Jewkraine thang - 1 year+
Posted by: Comandante | Jul 21 2023 18:08 utc | 88
Inkan1969 | Jul 21 2023 15:17 utc | 23
I doubt if you'll see official retractions.
Most news organizations just publish an update and correct as needed. Often whole sections are left out from previous updates and the original. Sometime they'll time/stamp the update but hard to find original story or prior updates.
Posted by: Jerr | Jul 21 2023 18:14 utc | 89
For over a year I have been providing friends and family with an update on the Ukraine conflict viewed in the wider sense as a war between the West and Russia/China. I have now placed this on substack. It may suit people who haven't much time to research things in depth but want some idea of what's going on that is not pure propaganda. https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-update-b87
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jul 21 2023 18:16 utc | 90
if lack of news coverage could lead to lack of media war-cheerleading then hopefully we are getting closer towards cease-fire, treaty, end of war. (perhaps naive anti-war voice chiming in, noisy bar fulla war cheerleaders)
Posted by: Patrick Constantine | Jul 21 2023 18:21 utc | 91
It wouldn't make a difference if they did admit it. The same people who were wagging the blueyellow nazi rag on their Twitter profiles a year ago will have forgotten the existence of Ukranazistan a year from now, just as they have long since forgotten the existence of Syria, which they had been agitating to invade, and are quickly forgetting the existence of Afghanistan.Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 21 2023 16:30 utc | 50
Hit it, Babs!
“o/~ What’s too painful to remember / We simply choose to forget … o/~”
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 21 2023 18:21 utc | 92
@ Flying Dutchman | Jul 21 2023 16:39 utc | 54
Now be nice. Inkan had to make his/her/its/their daily quota and had to post *something*.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 21 2023 18:24 utc | 93
It's evident these days in America that CNN viewership is microscopic, and that anyone who watches it on a regular basis has cognitive problems...
As far as Russia not yet hitting "decision centers", completely shutting down Ukraine's access to the Black Sea seems an adequate substitute...One axiom of chess, played by all Russian leaders, is "never rush."
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jul 21 2023 18:26 utc | 94
Ahenobarbus | Jul 21 2023 15:42 utc | 34--
The only reason the resistance is "silent" is because BigLie Media won't report it.
Interesting that both those who support Russia's government and Russia's fiercest opponents are happy that Strelkov and Gubarev were arrested. Will either side question why it is that they're on the same side? Hm.
@gT
No, arresting Strelkov and friends is not the same as arresting Wagner. Strelkov condemned the mutiny before most of the Russian elites did (many of whom fled or stayed silent at first) and it was Prigozhin and not Strelkov who said that the war was just started to make money and that there needs to be a new peace agreement made. And yet Prigozhin is the one who's free.
Perhaps, certain people are being removed because they're preparing for a peace deal in autumn. There has been some tentative noise about that in the West. Also, the Kremlin leadership never liked Strelkov since 2014 and have sidelined him as much as they could because he's not a crook, and has principles. The Russian government far prefers dealing with people who can be bought and manipulated by kompromat, which you can see by the leaders they put in charge of Novorossiya after they forced Strelkov to leave and certain other rebel leaders got mysteriously assassinated (don't forget that in at least one case, Strelkov recently accused people from Wagner of doing the assassination, on the orders of someone "higher up". If Wagner had won in their coup, it's not so unlikely he would have simply been killed).
Posted by: E | Jul 21 2023 18:33 utc | 96
Patrick Constantine | Jul 21 2023 18:21 utc | 93
Keep your eye on Hamish at the Telegraph. When he throws in the towel you'll know it's game over.
Posted by: dh | Jul 21 2023 18:33 utc | 97
"Who wants to write or read about the huge strategic mistake the Biden administration committed when it blackmailed Ukraine as well as its other vassals, especially when the beltway gang is strongly in favor of another Biden presidency."
Are you sure that the blackmail isn't going the other way? I'll bet dollars to grivnas that we don't know the whole story of what Biden and Young Hunter were up to in Ukraine, and that the real story is even more unsavory than the part that we do know about.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Jul 21 2023 18:34 utc | 98
@ Inkan1869
Keep it up, chum. I'm loving the laughs.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jul 21 2023 18:36 utc | 99
Many thanks for the post, b. (I think, b, you being a European may not fully understand the significance of Barbie; that wholesome, blonde and pink, goodness could crowd out the embroidered, yellow and blue, sunflower people.) With links to Gordon Hahn and War on the Rocks - b. A bit painful. I’m starting to anticipate the crescendo to the “fall of Europe”. Next time, I’m just going to scroll ahead, like reading the last pages in a book.
I’ll just go ahead post it. From War on the Rocks: “American leadership remains necessary in Europe because Europeans remain incapable of leading themselves.” Probably don’t need me or anyone from Mexico on southward to tell you that when they use language like this, you should make a note of it.
In Canada it’s a bit different. Just from CBC, we still have the global grain hunger problem, Odessa is rocked, and we need to look at the end of the world again (tactical nuclear weapons don’t get much positive press in these parts.) Interesting that NATO needed CBC’s Evan Dyer to pen this piece. With how hardline he is (per his Twitter thread), some editor took a very heavy red pencil to it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/russia-ukraine-black-sea-baltic-naval-1.6911530
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-nuclear-threat-ottawa-1.6910849
BTW - West coast ports are back on strike. Although there’s a tentative agreement.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 21 2023 18:36 utc | 100
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