Posted by: UWDude | Jul 28 2023 19:17 utc | 203
bullshit. that’s not popular basic knowledge, and you can’t back up that the people who have been developing physics for the last couple of hundred years are the trans people, that is just some stupid story you have gone all in on. you might as well be shilling for Pfizer as shilling for Exxon. both shameful. name one prediction that the climatologists got wrong in overestimating climate change.. you keep prattling on about wrong predictions, name one. not a newspaper, not a manazine cover in 1970’s, not a newspaper interview. i want specifics. you’re going to come up with the same trash the shills have been peddling for 30 years, because that is in effect what you are, a shill. How about the projections made by the republican James Hansen in 1988?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 28 2023 19:31 utc | 203

How about the projections made by the republican James Hansen in 1988?
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 28 2023 19:31 utc | 205
James Hansen said new york coasts would be three feet under water by now.
How can you with a straight face say there were no dire predictions in the past decades regarding global warming!?
LoL
Thirty years ago, twenty years ago, ten years ago, today… …do you EVER, have you EVER, said ANYWHERE, that the hyped up predictions were trash, before they were proven to be?
Now you try to relegate them to sensationalist press… …but back then, you were a true believer in the doom.
Deny it all you want. Your fanatical devotion to the narrative proves ot.
Why dont you tell Je hos hysterical doom prediction os ridiculous?
Bevause you think its possible. That’s why.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 28 2023 19:40 utc | 205

https://www.ipcc.ch/about/history/
over 30 years ago, the ipcc was created to address the problems of climate change.
UWDude “Imagine, 30 yeats ago,”in 30 yeats, the world will be much different than now!”
“Like what?”
“It’ll be HOT in PHOENIX!!!”
without the doom narrative peddled, global warming would have never even been considered.”
worthless shill. i ask for one source for your lies, and you just repeat more.
“James Hansen said new york coasts would be three feet under water by now.
How can you with a straight face say there were no dire predictions in the past decades regarding global warming!?”
another shill fact from UWDude which has no basis in reality. give me ONE PREDICTION MADE IN A PEER REVIEWED PAPER THEY GOT WRONG

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 28 2023 19:45 utc | 207

another shill fact from UWDude which has no basis in reality. give me ONE PREDICTION MADE IN A PEER REVIEWED PAPER THEY GOT WRONG
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 28 2023 19:45 utc | 209
I read them. I read one about a cascade effect from co2 being released as the oceans heated. This was twenty years ago. Didnt happen.
But please, continue to insist there were no dire predictions by the “settled science”, while refusing to dosavow all the doomists of the past, and today.
Hey pretzel, you know the science so well. In ten years, how much worse will it be? In twenty years? How much tome does the earth have left?
Think carefully before you answer, and back it up with your own peer reviewed paper.
If you cant probe a prediction of doom…
Then who the fuck cares? If there is no doom in the future, why is it called “climate crisis” now?
The whole movement and fanaticism is based on prognostications of doom. Without those prognostications, nobody would care.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 28 2023 19:56 utc | 209

LOL UWDdue cant come up with ONE. NOT ONE PREDICTION THAT WAS WRONG.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 28 2023 20:01 utc | 211

Day Two of the Russia-Africa Summit has concluded with a great amount of work accomplished. Between all the readouts, declarations and other sets of documents agreed to an entire day would be required to read them all. And no, my substack article doesn’t have all of it, but it’s still quite long, longer than yesterday’s. I certain Putin and all of Russia are very pleased with the outcome. The people who’ll loathe that it occurred at all render themselves small–tiny–minded that they do so.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 28 2023 20:07 utc | 213

Erin 56
How have I seen climate change in my community? Really
OK
1980 Colorado. Pine bark bore beetle Whips out full forests in Colorado where I grew up, Pinebark Beetle was always their but was killed off in the winter. That is no longer the case Last glacier disappears in Colo.
Washington state. Slow loss of Salmon in every river in Both Washington and Oregon because the rivers are not staying cold enough.
Summers in Washington were lovely 20 years ago, we are now in both Oregon and Washington Having longer hotter summers. 4 friends in different places have lost their homes Oregon, Cal, Australia. Spent several days while visiting family in Colorado helping to evac people. So dry a massive fire started by a bullet! That fall I spent time delivering food to people evacuated from a massive fire 10 miles from me.
I am a climber (or was) the glaciers on several peaks have disappeared or have shrunk so much climbing the routes are not possible. Ice climbing has become very dangerous. This is World wide
Alaska BC,OR WA have shut down both fishing and crabbing more and more to save what is left.
Massive fires within ten miles of where I live every summer now. This summer alone 3 fires with in a mile 1 of us. In all the years in Colo when I was a kid never heard or saw a fire. When I moved to OR there would be fires started by Lightening in Sept. Maybe. Washington it picked up and now back in Oregon it is fire season from May to Nov. Climate swings do not happen in 50 to 100 year swings they happen to 10,0000 or more .

Posted by: Susan | Jul 28 2023 20:12 utc | 215

LOL UWDdue cant come up with ONE. NOT ONE PREDICTION THAT WAS WRONG.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 28 2023 20:01 utc | 213
Alephs prediction is wrong. James Jensens prediction is wrong. Your prediction are wrong, and always have been.
I am not going to dog back twenty years to find the few white papers I read on impending doom.
And you will never disavow any of the doomsayers, will you? Call them idiots that only hurt your cause, will you?
Bevause you agree with the doomsaying. Its so obvious.
Deny it. No links, just say you dont believe in global warming doom.
Do you believe in global warming doom?
Are there any peer-reviewed papers to back up your vision of global warming doom?
Do you believe in global warming do?
If so, why dont you trust the settled science of peer reviewed papers, that all claim NO DOOM in the future?
LoL

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 28 2023 20:16 utc | 217

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 28 2023 16:37 utc | 195
I’m lusting for an Acura MDX myself, though in a few years. Terrific all-round on-road solidly made and low-key swanky vehicle.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 28 2023 20:24 utc | 219

Posted by: Susan | Jul 28 2023 20:12 utc | 217
Oops, i lived in WA for over 40 years. Still here. I remember plenty of hot summers in the past. I have always been an outdoors type.
And this summer has been cooler than normal, by quite a bit.
And I am going hiking soon, too.
I remember some killer heat hikes around this time, but looking awfully cool and perfect this week.
I also take note of smoke and snow, as I go for the view, and smoke kills that, and I dont like snow. I remember snowy years, and smoky times. Plenty of them the past 20 years.
And this winter had two 6″ + snowstorms, where
I remember clearly snow days hardly even happened when I was in school, and snow was pretty rare 30 years ago. I remember plenty of years with at best 3″ of snow.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 28 2023 20:24 utc | 221

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/07/28/caitlin-johnstone-the-star-spangled-kangaroo/

So I think the star-spangled kangaroo is an entirely appropriate symbol for the country. Put it on the flag. Put it on the money. Put it on all the warships and planes, and on every military uniform.
When you walk into an Australian government building, Yankarooey (or whatever stupid Aussie nickname that gets made up to mask the cognitive dissonance) should be the first thing everyone sees.
Undignified? Certainly. Humiliating? Absolutely. An admission that Australia is not a real nation? Of course.
But at least it would be honest. If Australia is going to act as Washington’s subservient basement gimp, it may as well dress the part.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 28 2023 20:37 utc | 223

You’re not naive. I got the name of the group wrong. It’s Extinction Rebellion. They were in the news recently for gluing themselves to an airport runway.
https://rebellion.global/get-involved/
Posted by: Chas | Jul 28 2023 19:32 utc | 206
Thanks for responding and the clarification. I scared myself a little when I came across The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 28 2023 20:41 utc | 225

another shill fact from UWDude which has no basis in reality. give me ONE PREDICTION MADE IN A PEER REVIEWED PAPER THEY GOT WRONG
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 28 2023 19:45 utc | 209
The first IPCC report predicted that the undeniable fingerprint of global warming would be the development of a tropical mid-tropospheric hot spot. BIG failed prediction, unless you want to argue that the IPCC reports aren’t peer reviewed.
Plus, you keep using and capitalizing PEER REVIEWED for emphasis. to paraphrase a famous quote, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 28 2023 20:47 utc | 227

Posted by: susan | Jul 28 2023 20:44 utc | 228
Has lest to do about climate change and more about pollution in the waterways. Worked for Teck in south eastern British Columbia and I could spend an hour telling you what, where, and why certain chemical poisons were dump in the Michel creek, down into the Harmer valley and into the Elk river.
In simple terms. During dry spells these chemicals get concentrated into the beds of waterways and washed out when the rains hit, impacting the Marine life. Search.. Tecks pollution record British Columbia. Tons of info.
Destroying Mother Earths Soul for a job.
Learn to look at the bigger picture…. It’s all about the $$$

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Jul 28 2023 21:12 utc | 229

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2023 20:49 utc | 230
There was a interesting write up in the Edmonton Journal about 10 years ago.
Stated the pine beetle up here in Canada had “mutated” into a stronger species. Could it be some kind of Biological weapon??
15 years ago Southwest Alberta they went nuts, cutting pine, to beat the beetle. The dead pine is poorer quality (Lest $$$) for lumber/pulp.
In west central Alberta did it’s damage up to about 4 years ago and now very quiet. Still have large stands of Lodgepole pine that survived east of here. Why the change??

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Jul 28 2023 21:27 utc | 231

The Russia-Africa Summit has concluded. I captured much of it in “Russia-Africa Summit Day 2: Leaders Roundtable”. As with yesterday’s report, the read is long and includes many more African voices. There’ll be more to write about based on the Declarations and the newly agreed to Action Plan.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 28 2023 21:43 utc | 233

Heavymetal101 @ 233
Good imput thanks.
What you say makes sence..
If you catch a Pine bark beatle infection early enough. What you do is cut a lot of the weak but still alive trees down in spring leaving the trunks in on the ground the Beatles are atracted to these (less resim) see my above then when they lay all there eggs under the bark you remove the tree trunks and beatle eggs chemically (butlin) or by peeling. I think thats what you saw along with a successful outcome.
Love ya nick name.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2023 21:55 utc | 235

UWDude | Jul 28 2023 21:47 utc | 236–
I have a meteorology textbook in my library and it’s a physics-based science. It’s a discipline that’s subsumed within the wide umbrella of physical geography.
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China tells the Outlaw US Empire to STFU over its aid to Cambodia related to the China-assisted renovation project at the Ream Naval Base. This analogy is great:

Imagine this analogy: A family plans to build a house on their own residential land. They invite their skilled and friendly neighbors, who are good at construction, to help them with the project. Suddenly, an outsider arrives and insists that they cannot build the house and should not seek help from their neighbors. Of course, the family would not listen to the outsider’s demands. However, as the house is nearing completion, the outsider comes back and questions, “Why are you installing a trap at your doorstep?” Now, does the family need to explain their personal matters to an outsider?
The US has been trying to conduct searches at the Ream Naval Base, but Cambodia has rejected their request. Prime Minister Hun Sen expressed his anger, saying, “Ream Naval Base is not a place for thieves or robbers. I allowed you to visit, not to investigate or inspect.” Moreover, the US does not have a search warrant, so in essence, they are bullying Cambodia. According to the Cambodian constitution, the country shall not permit any foreign military base on its territory, and this is entirely Cambodia’s own affair.

That’s precisely the sort of shove-back that’s required every time the Empire tries to bully.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 28 2023 22:24 utc | 237

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2023 21:55 utc | 237
Another practice which goes on to this day in my neck of the woods. A cut block has been “harvested” then 20-75 15 foot high brush piles are burned, later the area is “mulched” and planted with Lodgepole or Jack pine seedlings (The $$$ tree). For those seedlings to strive there is a constant defoliant spraying system (helicopters) going on to kill the growth of any aspen, willows poplar etc. It’s a farming practice.
This practice upsets the whole ecosystem of the area. Plays a big part of why a pine beetle explosion. (Not temperature related.)
I can take you to blocks planted 20 years ago. Looks sickly pale green. Yet go down the road 10km to the Gregg River burn (Natural) the pine there vibrant rich dark green. Our forests are stressed due to forest management practices.
Athabasca University did a project back in the mid 80’s. Released a bacteria into the ecosystem that kills off the Tent caterpillar. (The moths have a “Tina turner” hairdo look to them.) Well guess what… No Moths no Bats.

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Jul 28 2023 22:35 utc | 239

heavymetal101 @ 241
I cant disagree with anything you say their it all sounds spot on right fromm what i know.
But bare in mind, both couses are likley to be true, ie not mutauly exclusive. Bad forest manigment (read greedy capalist) plus stressed weakend pine due to man made clmate chainge (read greedy capalist)

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2023 22:59 utc | 241

SkepticalSOB @ 242
Im just a layman not academic.
So if glaciers millions of years old start disapearing. Permafrost starts melting that has been stable for millennium is that not enough to ring alarm bells as a physicist? Even a skeptical one ?
Let me throw another indicator into the overwhelming pile so far.
Coral ! What has just happened to the great barrier reef ?
Sea temperatures went up and it died. Or am i wrong.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2023 23:15 utc | 243

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 28 2023 23:31 utc | 246

Pax Africa coming.

The build up towards and the actual coup attempts have been really ramping up lately.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 28 2023 23:37 utc | 245

Mark2 | Jul 28 2023 22:10 utc | 238–
With Africa swinging away from American domination and the same in the middle east that’s a big voting group within the UN. Will it be enough to end American dominance?
The Outlaw US Empire hasn’t been dominant within the UNGA for several decades as revealed by key votes over that timespan. The problem’s at the UNSC where it has the veto and thus is able to escape discipline. Prior to 911, the Empire paid some attention to global opinion and thus took more care in its doings. With the adoption of the Wolfowitz Doctrine and its aim to attain Full Spectrum Domination in 1996, that began to change as seen with Clinton’s crime of bombing Sudan and attacking Serbia. Full Spectrum Domination was reiterated in 1999 and 911 swiftly followed. Utter contempt for global opinion and international law followed as exemplified by Powell’s Lies at the UNSC, ignoring the global protests against attacking Iraq, the further lies made to provide justification for waging Aggressive War–the #1 War Crime–along with several other examples and of course W’s “With us or against us” challenge to the world. The “Arab Spring” and the Rape of Libya followed with Obama/Biden and their attempt to destroy Syria on behalf of Occupied Palestine. But the goals set by the Bush neocons weren’t attained. The pushback began with Russia challenging Obama over Syria’s supposed chemical weapons which was followed by Russia’s direct intervention on Syria’s behalf in 2015. How much that was in response to the 2014 Ukraine coup remains unknown. All during that time, Russian diplomacy was slowly winning over old and new friends in Africa and elsewhere. The fact that the West would never deliver on its promises of development aid to Global South nations and its opposite policies aimed at making them more dependent alienated those nations and pushed them into the open arms of China and Russia who had longstanding opposite policies.
The consensus is dominance is on the wane. We see that in the rejection of the RoW to obey the illegal sanctions diktat. The clear moral abasement and hypocrisy related to the “Grain Deal” further degraded the West. From the remarks made at the Summit, Africa sees the West still addicted to its colonialism and desire for plunder. The desire for development is extremely strong. The disparities between nations in Africa in some cases are monstrous. And of course, as we saw with Niger, the poisonous vestiges of colonialism remain a key factor. What that’s done is to close the door to any further Western sponsored development and movement away from IMF and World Bank controls that will further reduce dominance. The flipside will be a great rise in efforts to attain 2030 Developemnt Goals. As transport projects get completed that enhance connectivity and aide resource development, Africa as a whole will experience a snowball effect in its geopolitical power that will also enable ASEAN, West and South Asia, and Eurasian development.
The RoW Bloc’s synergy will gradually pull away nations from the EU portion of the Dollar Bloc, which will further weaken the latter. As the Outlaw US Empire has to pay for its empire of bases, the number of those bases will quickly be reduced. As dollar hegemony wanes so will its related power. At the UN, the key problem is the UNSC Veto; how that will/can be resolved is unknown as the US won’t give it up. It might be alienated to leave the UN as the RoW slowly regains control over its institutions, which is something the RoW is in agreement upon effecting. Events are at a rate currently that’s quickly driving change–globally and domestically within Neoliberal nations. It’s nine years off, but I see 2032 as a potential watershed year. China already has a genuinely bigger and better economy that the Outlaw US Empire and the gap between the two will only widen further. And there’s no way the Empire can win a war against China, or pretty much any other nation today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 28 2023 23:46 utc | 247

Big thanks Aleph Null @ 248
I learned a lot right their, this isnt some hypothetical debate that some wiuld like us to beleave.
So, coral then, and from their plankton the very lowest part of the Ocean food chain basicly every thing else living in the sea in some way directly or in directly feeds of it.
To add to that…
The seas as a carbon capture ?
Turning into a major area realeasing carbon locked in for millions of years.becouse sea tempiture rise.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2023 23:58 utc | 249

I can confirm that climate science is awash with physics.
@ scepticalSOB | Jul 28 2023 22:36 utc | 242
I appreciate your impression of climate-science’s grounding in physics. “Soft sciences” are fluffy nothings like sociology and economics, where there’s no possible means of objectively testing hypotheses. Climate science is very hard, indeed.
For anyone genuinely curious, in case y’all don’t know, a whole lot of current scientific literature has been available via Google Scholar (scholar.google.com). There are ghastly paywalls, where you only get to see the abstract, and other places where the whole paper is available for download (commonly as PDF).
So it’s not hard to keep up with the science, even for folks without scepticalSOB’s formal training. Sometimes I crash through some differential equations I’m not grasping at the moment, but I think I can get the gist of relevant papers, despite my lack of expertise.
For instance:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2019&q=amoc+shutdown

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 29 2023 0:10 utc | 251

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 28 2023 23:46 utc | 249

And there’s no way the Empire can win a war against China, or pretty much any other nation today.

If you’re already keen to this then apologize for secondhand info, but the US has long invested heavily in aircraft carriers as a means of achieving dual naval-aerial dominance in war. China, on the other hand, has commissioned more of frigates, corvettes, and subs.
Military simulations show the Empire as losing its carriers in hours. And then naval dominance becomes a far different game.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230525/chinese-war-simulation-finds-top-us-carrier-group-could-be-destroyed-with-certainty-1110574081.html
There’s little hope in hot wars for the West.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 29 2023 0:37 utc | 253

So it’s not about whether it’s based in physics but whether or not we have the ability to measure it accurately, completely and in a dynamic fashion for it is a dynamic ever-changing matrix of events. Indeed, it is way too dynamic and multi-variable to be a valid object of the scientific method which does much better with measuring regular movement or ideally static phenomena.
Not to mention that many peer-reviewed papers are fraudulent bunkum as has been studied in many fields, climate science being one. So IMO there is no definitive voice, agency, theory or study on this complex ever-changing topic.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 29 2023 0:05 utc | 252
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Scorpion, you sound lkike a Phillip Morris scientist defending cigarette smoking in the 50ties and 60ties, when Doctors actually recomended cigarette brands.
My Doctor says “…to each his own. I think it’s generally best that people don’t insult each other for having differing opinions then the issue could be more enjoyably discussed. But such is not our time…”

Posted by: Ed | Jul 29 2023 0:44 utc | 255

preservatives, weed killers, pcbs, etc. etc. etc. are toxic too. That is, except for the scientists in the employ of the corporations making them. Go figure.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2023 0:54 utc | 258
And yet the science is never declared, “settled”on these toxic products.
I forgot one; chemotherapy. But try telling the medical industry how poisonous it is to urban watersupplies and slow moving water bodies.
Of course doing so, would make you pro-cancer, wouldn’t it. Plus the ppb are so small, harmless really…
…not, when combined with all the other toxins that get into the water and air and eco systems. They all become a soup of toxicity. 1000 ppbs and you are up to ppms. And ppms is where it gets toxic.
Fukushima tuna, anyone?

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 29 2023 1:08 utc | 257

“And yet the science is never declared, “settled”on these toxic products.”
— and you follow suit by declaring the matter of climate science “unsettled.” Oh, wait, no—“bogus” would be a better way of describing your position.
As to cow farts, I’m hardly in a position to judge whether all that methane is worse than, say, razing the Amazon rainforest to grow crops to feed those cattle. But since there’s no anthropogenic climate change, who needs the Amazon rain forest?

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2023 1:28 utc | 259

@ Ed | Jul 29 2023 1:40 utc | 262
I am not in a position to measure those two phenomena empirically. However, I strongly suspect you intend for me to trivialize the latter.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2023 1:45 utc | 261

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 29 2023 1:46 utc | 264

Way more fuel consumed moving oil by rail than pipeline. But hey, you know, the environment. The science is settled, oil by pipeline environmentally harmful, oil by rail, truck or tanker, not as harmful… …though one emits almost zero carbon.

To attack the transportation of oil rather than its overproduction and harmful methods of extraction is ignorantly disingenuous at best and intentionally obfuscatory at worst.
The entire system behind excess exploitation of the natural Earth is the heart of the whole thing. Not what is done after the fact.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 29 2023 1:50 utc | 263

Thank you Karlof1.
I read the transcript of the Russia – Africa summit that you provided. Intense reading and very much an eye opener.
African nations are looking forward to working with Russia in the future and in the present. They appreciate Russian grain (Putin decisively won the grain deal battle), and are looking forward to, almost demanding, Russian support in developing their community and business infrastructures. They note that when Western corporations sell products made with raw materials from Africa, the West gets over 90% of the money. Africa wants that set of business processes changed.
Multiple African leaders thanked Russia for helping to free Africa from Western imperialism, and thanked the Soviet Union for help it gave in the past. I was not expecting that. Africa is freeing itself from Western imperialism, and is looking to Russia to help them convert political freedom into better living conditions for its citizens.
There is lots more. One final note: as moderator of the forum, Putin was a very good listener.

Posted by: Woke American | Jul 29 2023 2:27 utc | 265

Mark2 | Jul 29 2023 0:17 utc | 254–
Thanks Mark! It was interesting that both Crooke and Martyanov have said the same thing–The West’s inability to “think things through” (Crooke)/”Think Strategically” (Martyanov) is it’s Achille’s Heel. I share that POV 100%.
warxism | Jul 29 2023 0:37 utc | 255–
Thanks for your reply. There’s nothing like having your opponent beat itself. Yet, this isn’t an original tale as it’s been told before.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2023 4:00 utc | 267

@ karlof1 with the Substack piece on the Russia/Africa meeting
Yes, I read the whole thing but my eyes were glazing over by the end….
Here is the quote from it I want to share

And of course, we need to think about how [to create a mechanism for strategic partnership]. This is a difficult task, especially across industries and countries, but if we want to achieve concrete results, we need to think about it right now. I agree with you.

This is from Putin in response to a request for global and regional development planning done by sovereign nations instead of the empire “stink tanks” and blood sucking tools of finance. This is what you would get out of the UN if it were not a tool of empire because of its structure which is being challenged, if not the whole UN be replaced by a better RoW body.
The caravan of the RoW is getting its act together and is moving on while the dogs of empire keep barking and howling loudly

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29 2023 4:51 utc | 269

… The entire system behind excess exploitation of the natural Earth is the heart of the whole thing. Not what is done after the fact.
Posted by: warxism | Jul 29 2023 1:50 utc | 265…..
Do you drive ?
Do you use A/C at home ? At work ?

Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2023 5:00 utc | 271

Exile @ 273
I dont think thats a fair point,
Were talking about the size of a persons or businesses carbon foot print surely, we all have a right to one, we should endever to keep it as small as we can treading lightly and being mindfull of the good earth.
Your suggesting hypocracy,i think thats misplaced.
We are comparing corperate greed with like a bicycle going down hill with no brakes. The end of that will be an uninhabital planit earth.
But exile you contribute top rate analyses daily on this blog. I speak as i find. So dont let me put you off, pitch in ! Thats the beauty of MOA.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2023 5:44 utc | 273

Psychohistorian @ 276
Its fascinating how the big picture geo politics is slowly taking over from Ukraine as center stage.
Im on the edge of my seat watching on an hourly basis.
You contribute a lot here and deserve more praise than you get.
To think we are witnessing momentous historical developments in our lifetime. Just hope we are around to see a good positive outcome for all mankind.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2023 6:30 utc | 275

Grieved | Jul 29 2023 5:42 utc | 274 makes a series of important points about the condition of our planet – something totally outside the purview let alone control of barflies and the condition of ‘off-topic’ threads in MoA currently – something entirely within the purview and control of all of us. Once again an OT thread has been destroyed by selfish arseholes who are intent on ego-driven ‘point scoring’ and adolescent put downs of others who do not share their views. I haven’t yet shot through, when I do it will be because I have found a forum free of this nonsense as MoA was for decades.
None of us care too much about what some blow-in’s opinion on anything is. That is not outta elitism, intellectual snobbery or the like; it is just a simple reality, if none of us know you at least on the basis of posts you have made expressing your opinions backed up with evidence, why on earth would we have an interest in yer prattlings.
As long as idjits & propagandists keep turning up here spouting their ‘truth’ whilst never including verifiable evidence of what they say the lack of interest will continue.
As far as climate science goes most of us have developed a position on it based on decades of study and contacts with people who are qualified to state their thesis and it is ludicrous for anyone to just turn up here making assorted unsupportable claims whilst providing no checkable data other than that of other opinions also unsupported by data.
I came into this thread today to discuss something other than climate & I’m disappointed that this pointless tosh has been spewed across the rug yet again.
In one thread this week someone appealed to the ‘sysadmin’ of MoA to clean up some mess the poster had made themself. The sheer gall of it amazed me. This place isn’t some public facility reeking of disinfectant and stale urine. This is a place where many people have chosen to gather and support over the decades, run by one human, b. who is continually being entreated to ‘just do blah blah’ by an increasing number self-indulgent dingbats who cannot imagine anywhere that isn’t kept up to snuff by mom or ‘the better half’ or whoever.
This is place where we’re all expected to look after our own mess, where paying a few bucks a month doesn’t entitle you to anything more than knowing that b. and his cat ate today, yet I still see people raised on the entirely false premise that everything has a price insisting that b. cover some topic merely because it is of interest to the requester.
I’m gonna stop now as I said I came in here to raise a different issue and I hate it when I’m driven to act the curmudgeon an old bloke who wants to wind the clock back to some non-existent before, if only cos it puts me in a foul mood in RL.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 29 2023 7:14 utc | 277

Exile @ 278
Again i cant help but agree with you.
Climate zealots they are a very real and tangable fact, they do the couse no end of harm.an embarrassment. They use climate chainge as a vehicle for their own virtue signaling.
Their fake.
Recharging the brand new expensive electric car. With out a thought of where the electric comes from, who built it, how long it will last.ect ect ect.
They dont ask what massive capalist company and share holders profit from it.
Its its just….ghastly. how did the buitiful world get to this state of ignorance?
It will for sure be ignorance that kills this planet.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2023 8:46 utc | 279

What was really off-putting was the first half hour or so of politicians slapping themselves on the back. And their ignorance of the world much less the subject.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 29 2023 9:26 utc | 281