La Presse says an electric car could have started the fire.
https://www.lapresse.ca/international/europe/2023-07-26/cargo-en-feu-au-large-des-pays-bas/une-voiture-electrique-pourrait-etre-a-l-origine-de-l-incendie.php
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 27 2023 13:36 utc | 2
I figured it was a battery fire or an “unfortunate insurance loss”, or both. I think electric cars are not moving like they want them to.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 27 2023 13:52 utc | 4

Elon, the King of Mars turning himself into the superhuman X Man, the once and future King etc etc.
A dumb X ! By the way , how is claiming a letter of an alphabet allowed as a trademark or copyright?
He still hasn’t raised the blinds of the twatter window to let us poor beggars watch though the glass – insisting that everyone must sign up! We must become his slaves, bank off with him, be owned and nurtured by Him alone … and his mum.
As I posted earlier Africa is what it’s about and Elon too claims to be from there.
If he was half way genuine he’d be in St Petersburg hanging out with the emerging Multipolarists instead of grandstanding.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 27 2023 14:34 utc | 6

This is the second EV fire on a car hauling ship bound from Europe to the USA in the last year. I wonder when someone will have the bright idea of
charging them when they arrive. I’ll bet they don’t ship gas powered cars with a full tank.

Posted by: qparker | Jul 27 2023 14:55 utc | 8

There is a proposal that a substack be started to act as a storehouse for all the biolab docs and evidence PeterAu collated last year.
He has it on his VK, but it would be prescient of @bar to have the material readily accessible and retrievable… anticipating the Memory Hole devouring most of it.
Karl suggested I assist him with the task.
I can…sort of. I’m not a tech guy, and pretty slow and clunky when dealing with something like setting up a substack.
So the invitation is extended to @bar (and lurkers) to collaborate on having Peter’s material backed up on substack, and then using that substack as a repository as more similar evidence is revealed.
Thoughts? Constructive Comments ?
Volunteers?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 27 2023 14:59 utc | 10

A Bulgarian Journalist collected all Biolab documents from State Depart. Etc. (Before the docs were deep sixed) She has them saved on her website.plus a number of articles
https://dilyana.bg/category/special-report/

Posted by: Exile | Jul 27 2023 15:08 utc | 12

Sorry to go all Overton window here but part of me finds it astounding that the recent UFO revelations are not fleshed out in the common mind. We see whistleblowers emerge – who aren’t “disappeared” and still healthy. The Deep State must have decided to allow this to happen.
I would have thought they would wait until they had evidence of microbial life on Mars first but events are becoming more chaotic. I think it is no coincidence that this is happening just as US hegemony is ending. Disclosure can come from Russia or China or whoever. It will affect everything at least indirectly – politics, the economy and religion. It will greatly favor China’s rise because they are mostly atheist and don’t greatly care. India will be OK with it too, just tack onto the Hindu pantheon.
Lenin said there are weeks in which entire decades happen and that certainly will apply here.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 27 2023 15:18 utc | 14

Biden DoJ vs. Biden crackhead
The phony court case between Biden Sr. – represented by his Department of Justice – and Biden Jr. was supposed to end yesterday in a sweetheart plea deal. Delaware US District Judge Maryellen Noreika was however able to sabotage the scam deal by asking the right question. The Biden DoJ had been too cleaver for their own good.
In making the plea deal the DoJ had told Hunter Biden that the deal would free him of all charges. Later, they told the House Committee On Oversight and Accountability investigating the Biden crime family, that they cannot release requested information because of an “ongoing investigation” into Hunter Biden.
Here are some sources and links I have collected during the past week:

• Biden investigation: Grassley releases FBI document accusing Joe and Hunter Biden of bribery scheme – Washington Examiner, July 20, 2023 ( FBI CHS Reporting Document 2020)
• MASSIVE FBI CORRUPTION REVEALED IN THE HUNTER BIDEN SCANDAL – Garland Nixon, July 20, 2023 (video)
• McCarthy: Biden Investigation ‘Rising to Level’ of Impeachment Inquiry – Sputnik, July 26, 2023
• Hunter Biden set to plead guilty to tax charges — as lawyer tries to pull dirty trick ahead of court appearance – NY Post, July 25, 2023
• Special Report with Bret Baier 7/26/23 – Fox News, July 26, 2023 (video)

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 27 2023 15:23 utc | 16

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 27 2023 15:18 utc | 14
Caitlin Johnstone has a good potential explanation re UFO stories coming out now:
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/funny-how-the-ufo-narrative-coincides

Posted by: Zet | Jul 27 2023 15:28 utc | 18

reply to 15
It might be for the best that you and others assert such a thing, as the effects of disclosure will be radical, once it happens fully. As for Biden, that requires no special distractions since no one seems to care about it, not even most Republicans. I can only guess that they want to time it correctly that Biden is forced to resign AFTER he gets nominated – for maximum damage. After that, Kamala Vacuous takes the reins.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 27 2023 15:31 utc | 20

Anti-black-hole device

@Melaleuca | Jul 27 2023 14:59 utc | 10
There is a proposal that a substack be started to act as a storehouse for all the biolab docs and evidence PeterAu collated last year.
He has it on his VK, but it would be prescient of @bar to have the material readily accessible and retrievable… anticipating the Memory Hole devouring most of it.
Karl suggested I assist him with the task.
Thoughts? Constructive Comments ?
Volunteers?

We set up an anti-memory-hole archive 10 years ago. It is called A Closer Look on Syria (ACLOS), but now covers all major geopolitical topics. The site is free for anyone to open an account and edit, but very few people have joined over the years. It uses the same software, and looks like an older version of Wikipedia, but we are diametrically opposed on what we consider to be “reliable sources”.
There are news feeds on Ukraine and Syria, that we try to keep up to date. The best way to get accustomed is to surf around random article and categories.
May I suggest you register and start collecting the material on ACLOS.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 27 2023 15:41 utc | 22

No A/C ? Phoenix ? climate change ?
In other words, climate change isn’t man made and isn’t a serious concern. Thank you.
BTW – your argument regarding Phoenix implies that humans did live in the Phoenix area until A/C became widespread say circa 1965-1970. LOL

Posted by: Exile | Jul 27 2023 15:49 utc | 24

@ Exile | Jul 27 2023 15:11 utc | 13
Wouldn’t it be more logical to demand that proponents of climate science suicide themselves? They would consume even less energy that way, and remove an annoyance besides.
It would also result in lower fossil fuel prices, to the benefit of A/C-using climate change deniers in places like Phoenix, as well as those who participate in the great American pastime of coal rolling.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 27 2023 15:52 utc | 26

reply to 18
I get what she’s saying but both things may be true: aliens are real and they are using them for more warmongering. The truly tragic aspect of this is that, if true, it shows what evil psychopaths they are. They would risk a total nihilistic melt down of Western society by disclosure merely to create more warmongering. I can’t say that’s unbelieveable looking at the Ukraine situation, unfortunately.
OTOH, consider that this topic might be the hidden cause behind much of the craziness in pushing towards pushing towards WW3 and national bankruptcies. I have even wondered if aliens are influencing events on earth in a “humanistic” way. End US hegemony, demilitarize the West and put China is charge of things. I can’t claim to understand alien intelligences but my guess would be that China would be a far better interface with the cosmos than the US. Proof ? All this Space Force lunacy !

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 27 2023 16:02 utc | 28

@ malenkov | Jul 27 2023 15:52 utc | 26
Great suggestion, makes sense. Al Gore first please. They like depopulation and humans are a pest on their planet N; they already don’t want kids. The Japanese fighter pilots did it, and many others too, for the greater good. Could improve the human gene pool. LOL.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 27 2023 16:29 utc | 30

Exile | Jul 27 2023 15:11 utc | 13
“Those of you who believe Climate Change is man made and a global catastrophe requiring immediate action….. 1) Stop Driving 2) No A/C Otherwise please STFU”
Many people have trouble thinking logically – the reality status of the climate catastrophe is not influenced by a person’s behaviour. Only its future development, and even that to a negligible extent. A massive reduction in economic activities – let’s take arms production as an example – would have an influence, but even this can only mitigate the catastrophe somewhat, not stop it, because in the meantime the only indirectly anthropogenic share in the increase of climate-relevant gases in the atmosphere is clearly increasing, for example the thawing of permafrost soils.

Posted by: Pnyx | Jul 27 2023 16:48 utc | 32

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 27 2023 16:33 utc | 31
mommy should stop feeding sugarpuff bullshit like that. people can join together and accomplish things in a variety of way. corporations provide limited liabilty for the owners, very convenient for giants like Exxon or Pfizer.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 27 2023 16:59 utc | 34

@Cindy Martin | Jul 27 2023 13:25 utc | 1
I agree, I believe in Dysons case it was simply underestimation. Had he gone beyond that, he knew physics too well to fail. He could have convinced himself qualitatively.
A scientist of Dyson’s high standing would have found out if he had just given it proper thought using the relevant physics even if climate scientists mostly approach it in a different manner.
There is one paper from 2017 where one scientist, Hermann Harde, put the formulas together, that Dyson would have been familiar with.
“Radiation Transfer Calculations and Assessment of Global Warming by CO 2”
But I dont know if this basic physics approach was available and cited at the time when Dysons formed his opinions.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 27 2023 17:01 utc | 36

Posted by: Exile | Jul 27 2023 17:01 utc | 37
whether they do or not, it has nothing to do with the subject which you want to avoid. whether you use an elevator or climb the stairs, gravity still exists.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 27 2023 17:05 utc | 38

This site is excellent for nuanced and non-emulsified-brain takes on Ukraine and other geopolitical situations, but what’s up with like half of the people around here turning into Adolf Hitler if he just saw Water World for the first time whenever climate change is brought up?
No, we aren’t all going to cook to death in fifty years. But also no, we can’t keep doing mass animal husbandry the way we’ve been doing it for the last few decades. Sorry about your burgers.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 27 2023 17:21 utc | 40

warxism@40…..keep yer frickin hands off my meat! It’s only mass because it’s subsidized in order to compete with international trade and to fill the pockets of Corporate whores. Remove the regulations and subsidies, it’d be everyone for themselves, and the chaff would fall to the wayside.
A few corporate whores may even take up base jumping without a chute.
Cheers M
Ask a tax payer who pays for every thing in the end……The End.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 27 2023 17:34 utc | 42

No, we aren’t all going to cook to death in fifty years. But also no, we can’t keep doing mass animal husbandry the way we’ve been doing it for the last few decades. Sorry about your burgers.
Posted by: warxism | Jul 27 2023 17:21 utc | 40
…………………….
‘the way we have been doing it’ is key. There are ways which enrich the soil and surrounding microclimate and ways which deplete both. The debate about global (yikes— call the experts — quick!) climate change serves as a distracting excuse for not paying attention to local, immediate level details and best practices. Basically the issue contributes to the dispiriting, relentless dumbing down of the West.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 27 2023 17:43 utc | 44

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 27 2023 17:43 utc | 43
I agree 100% that the “global” aspect of climate change is largely concocted (or at least being used in this manner) to coerce developing nations and the worldwide proletariat into another and deeper form of exploitation and resource extraction.
My beef lies with those who, with us pretending for the moment that everything climate scientists say is true, immediately pivot to naked self-absorption and sole concern with their own (likely extremely morbidly obese) private dimensions. Even if we were to realistically assign the fault of our bad agricultural practices at a local level/to the correct parties, people are still going to have to give things up and/or change the way they’ve lived their lives. It’s called the universal brotherhood of humanity. The world isn’t about “take take take” until you expire.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 27 2023 17:55 utc | 46

Pnyx | Jul 27 2023 16:48 utc | 32–
IMO, we’re seeing psychohistory in action and Russia for one is acting upon it as Putin recently commented on the issue in relation to Russia’s Arctic development plans and goals:
“At the same time, large problems that, of course, require our special attention. For example, the deterioration of communal infrastructure and housing even in large cities of the Arctic reaches 70 percent, and in small remote villages and the so-called ZATO, closed administrative territories, this problem is even more acute.”
This is the combined need to upgrade communal infrastructure to modern standards which is often made necessary by the undermining of the permafrost on which it’s constructed. Russia’s pouring many trillions of rubles into its Arctic regions and knows very well the changes occurring there.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 27 2023 18:04 utc | 48

Today marks the 70th anniversary of the Armistice signing that ended the combat in Korea. Global Times has two notable articles on the subject, an editorial “If the US fails to learn lessons from Korean War, it will continue to suffer”, which isn’t the first time China’s spoken in this manner on this topic and is even more stringent in its rhetoric. The second item is a news report expanding somewhat on the editorial while also documenting the goings-on in the DPRK, “China, N.Korea, Russia commemorate 70th anniversary of Korean War armistice”. The tone of the editorial is that of the Older brother speaking to a rash youngster:

It appears that the US has not seriously reflected on the lessons learned here, but instead seems to be repeating the mistakes made back then. As a result, at the juncture of the 70th anniversary of the Korean War armistice, it is of significant practical importance and utmost urgency to review the lessons brought about by that war.
The Korean War is one of the most profound regional conflicts following World War II, and it is regarded as the “biggest defeat in the history of the US Army.” However, ironically, this “biggest defeat” that was called a “nightmare” has become a “forgotten war” within the US, deliberately overlooked by Washington. This negligence and forgetfulness may leave the American people without the consciousness of drawing lessons from the past when facing new crises, making them susceptible to repeating past mistakes. Yet, what is even more serious, worse, and dangerous is that some American political elites have drawn completely wrong lessons from the Korean War, using them to misguide the US’ foreign policy today, leading the country to proactively incite and provoke crises, and even wars.
On July 26, the US magazine Foreign Affairs published an article written by Mike Gallagher, Chairman of the “House Select Committee on the Strategic Competition Between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party,” titled “Why America Forgets – and China Remembers – the Korean War.” This Washington politician, known for his consistently anti-China stance, summarized three “lessons” that the Korean War taught the US.
The first lesson is that “Washington must not neglect deterrence and readiness,” and should always be prepared to fight and enhance military capabilities. He directly mentioned that “the US has failed to make sufficient military investments” in Taiwan. The second lesson is that “politics and combat are deeply intertwined.” The third lesson is that “once fighting has broken out, excessive self-restraint can invite further aggression.”
These three “lessons” are all targeted at China, specifically referring to the Taiwan question. His arrogance and madness are comparable to that of Douglas MacArthur. We can see that when most Americans lack knowledge and discernment about the Korean War 70 years ago and today’s Taiwan question, they can easily be led astray by a few loud and radical voices, resulting in a “herd effect” in American diplomacy. As the US is a superpower, the mistakes it makes often result in strong spillover effects that not only harm itself but also burden the region and even the entire world.
In fact, the US can and should learn valuable lessons from the Korean War. The first is to respect the legitimate security concerns of regional major powers; the second is to restrain the impulse and ambition to interfere in the affairs of other countries. Lastly, the US should never underestimate China’s determination and ability to defend its homeland. Disregarding these three lessons happens to be the prominent characteristics of current American hegemonism. The Korean War inflicted a painful price on the US, but if the US fails to learn from it, it will make even greater mistakes in the future.

The news report follows a similar style:

Chinese experts said China, Russia and North Korea are all facing pressure and threats from the US-led military alliance in the Korean Peninsula, the Asia-Pacific region and Europe, and this kind of situation is similar to the world in the 1950s, and by jointly commemorating the armistice anniversary, the three countries are sending a strong signal that the US should learn from its lesson in the peninsula and avoid repeating mistakes that will eventually bring tragedy to the world and cause great damage to US national strength….
The armistice has been commemorated by China and is known as the Victory of the War to Resist US Aggression and Aid Korea (1950-53), with major state media including the Xinhua News Agency and the People’s Liberation Army Daily publishing commentaries and China Central Television broadcasting a special TV program to mark the 70th anniversary of the victory and vowing to inherit the great spirit that the Chinese people and military displayed during the war, as China faces new challenges from hegemonic acts in the new era….
The US, which invaded North Korea in 1950 and suffered a huge failure after a series of battles with the CPV some 70 years ago, is now increasing its provocative and dangerous military activities in the Asia-Pacific region, including the Korean Peninsula and Taiwan Straits, and its act of pushing NATO eastern expansion has ruined the security structure in Europe and caused the terrible ongoing Ukraine crisis, so Chinese analysts urged the US to learn from the serious lessons of history and stop their wrongdoings to avoid the potential danger of new conflicts….
Wang Junsheng, a research fellow of East Asian studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing, said the US and its allies accused China and Russia of “forming an alliance to confront the US, Japan and South Korea, but this is a typical act of a thief crying out ‘stop thief!’ It was the US pushing the formation of a US-Japan-South Korea military alliance that has created bloc confrontation in the region.”

Historical distortions contributing to the mislearning of the past combined with great arrogance are deeply embedded within the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 27 2023 18:36 utc | 50

Posted by: Exile | Jul 27 2023 15:11 utc | 13:
Agree with you! But in addition to hypocritical attitude on personal levels, audiences in the west are profoundly guilty of geopolitical hypocrisy. Here is a link to a Global Times article about the extent of the Canadian wildfires this year:
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202307/1295142.shtml
Canada did nothing to even try to contain these fires, as Japan is cheerfully prepared to release radioactive wastewater into the Pacific. The whole effing West just STFU!!! This is how it is today.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 27 2023 19:04 utc | 52

The electrolyte in the battery is itself flammable, regardless of whether or not the battery is charged. Lithium-ion batteries are always present a safety hazard, which is why they are restricted for air travel.
Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Jul 27 2023 15:44 utc | 23
True, but misses the point. The electrolytes in current use are hydrocarbons with various salts dissolved I them.. they are flammable but require external oxygen to burn.
The famous unextinguishable fires happen when lithium is stripping oxygen from the cathode to burn. Thus the oxidizer is already present and it can burn underwater etc.. This can happen with all oxide type cathodes (Cobalt oxide, nmc, MnO etc.) under certain conditions. LiFePO4 cathodes and some others do not have this problem.
The reason they are banned on planes is somehat nonsensical.. most phones and e.g. laptops have the dangerous kind of li battery, whereas most power tool batteries (LiFePO4) are perfectly safe to the extent that you can fire a nail through them and all is good. There are youtube videos of exactly that. I guess in theory you could carry on a large power bank, pierce it, and then voila, but almost everyone on the plane these days has the dangerous kind..

Posted by: dask | Jul 27 2023 19:29 utc | 54

Posted by: Exile | Jul 27 2023 19:24 utc | 52
The problem has never been households. It’s always been corpos and the enormous disgusting bloat that is the military.
But they will continue shoveling “individual responsibility” down our throats until this fact is accepted by the people. True individual responsibility from a consumer perspective would only occur on a localized/circumstantial basis, and I remain unconvinced that it could not be entirely negated if the proper causes were thoroughly dismantled.
In other words, there’s a way you won’t have to go without A/C and four daily cheesesteaks–if you’re willing to pop the balloon of corporate greed.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 27 2023 20:07 utc | 56

We see manifestations of a hard-wired allergy to physical science, in this bar as in the world. From an adult perspective, it’s impossible to assess how deeply runs this vein of hysterical irrationality: Are there other scientific domains, such as biology, in which it’s so popular to disclaim basic knowledge? Is every last scrap of the entire body of earth-science data, from paleoclimatic to the satellite record, under a cloud because we suspect malicious deception on the part of virtually everyone pretending to do science? What about meteorology, do dedicated fools even believe in high and low atmospheric pressure?
Who knows? You can’t generalize about science denial. They get along fine with each other, no matter how violently their preposterous counter-theories clash. They carry water for the fossil fuel companies — essentially a tribute paid to corporate fascism. Regardless, so long as you chip in a little more confusion, you’re earning your fascist stripes, as you so desperately plead for people to think about something else. Do you think your sophomoric nonsense is effective?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 27 2023 20:34 utc | 58

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/07/26/americas-deteriorating-economic-performance/
An interesting article by PCR who critiques some of Hudson’s left-wing predilections. They have worked together sometimes and know (and like) each other well, but do not always see eye to eye.
His first point is a good one no matter what one thinks of his views viz Hudson, who is (rightly) well respected here (though perhaps too uncritically). If the bifurcation continues and the BRICS bloc effect new currency and transaction universe, this will cripple US Dollar hegemony and thus its unipolar imperatives (pun intended). This is a good thing.
He then takes issue with Hudson about various supply side and taxation theories in so doing pointing out, as I did a couple of days ago in another thread, that old notions of the working classes still held by many grounded in traditional left wing parlance no longer fit. For example, a true left winger in that tradition would be on the side of the Deplorables, no question about it. And yet hardly any of them are, more out of allegiance to rhetoric than reality.
Short article, well worth a read if you are a Hudson fan.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 27 2023 20:48 utc | 60

corporations provide limited liabilty for the owners, very convenient for giants like Exxon or Pfizer.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 27 2023 16:59 utc | 34
You’re stuck on the tax status one might assign to incorporation, specifically joint-stock forms of corporate governance, and an exclusive purpose for incorporation. So it’s difficult for you to recognize that people incorporate a “body,” an association, a company, a place of worship, a club, a “movement,” a crowd, a “mob”, a “gang”, a union, an army. Hang a sign around your neck&mdadhBOUNDED RATIONALITY.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 27 2023 21:14 utc | 62

Who knows? You can’t generalize about science denial. They get along fine with each other, no matter how violently their preposterous counter-theories clash. They carry water for the fossil fuel companies — essentially a tribute paid to corporate fascism. Regardless, so long as you chip in a little more confusion, you’re earning your fascist stripes, as you so desperately plead for people to think about something else. Do you think your sophomoric nonsense is effective?
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 27 2023 20:34 utc | 57
“It’s Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” – Mark Twain

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 27 2023 21:30 utc | 64

@40 warxism War and all its inherent cost should be above animal husbandry. Orders of magnitude imo. No real discussion about global warming/heating can actually occur if war isnt included as top driver. As discussions on climate rarely include the topic. Its mostly divisive bs. And yea animal husbandry as practised isnt…I agree.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 27 2023 22:12 utc | 66

Further interesting and welcome outcomes are emerging from Iran’s becoming a full SCO member combined with the China brokered reconciliation between Iran and Saudi Arabia in the relations between Pakistan and Iran. “From rivals to partners: Pakistan and Iran’s diplomatic turnaround” describes much of those events. Over the years, many agreements were made between the two but the previous geopolitical conditions prevented them from being finalized. That is no longer the case, and the positive development of the two is showing synergy. I’ve only provided a rough sketch. This is just one example of many promising a greater acceleration of Multipolar development as we move into the decade’s second half.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 27 2023 22:18 utc | 68

For one thing, nowhere have I implied that people like me should do nothing, just because the situation is hopeless. It’s a complicated question to confront: How to wage a losing battle? Life (on Earth) is a struggle. Probably a hopeless struggle. This year each one of us confronts the rattlesnake Entropy, rearing up to bite civilization in the ass.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 27 2023 22:14 utc | 66
If this is truly how you feel then I would respectfully suggest that you have much more immediate problems to worry about than climate change.

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 27 2023 22:28 utc | 70

yeah you’ve been fooled.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 27 2023 22:29 utc | 70
Oooh, brilliant, witty retort, pretzelogicattack. Almost Churchillian.

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 27 2023 22:33 utc | 72

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 27 2023 22:33 utc | 71
the truth got to you didn’t it? doesn’t have to be brilliant either. just true. like human caused climate change.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 27 2023 22:40 utc | 74

The climate change case against ‘science-deniers’ would be better made if there weren’t regular stories like this one coming out all the time.
You might be right about science but as long as there is so much junk and false science in the mix and not clearly distinguished, it’s just more turtles all the way down. And we all know what happened to Yurtle, now, don’t we?
https://notrickszone.com/2023/07/19/europes-48c-horror-that-never-was-esa-media-sharply-criticized-for-manipulative-reporting/

The hysteria was started when climate sensationalist media outlets in Germany and elsewhere, like the Relotius Spiegel, uncritically cited a sloppily and manipulatively formulated July 13 report from the European Space Agency (ESA), that first referred to “air” temperature:
Temperatures are sizzling across Europe this week amid an intense and prolonged period of heat. And it’s only just begun. Italy, Spain, France, Germany and Poland are all facing a major heatwave with air temperatures expected to climb to 48°C on the islands of Sicily and Sardinia – potentially the hottest temperatures ever recorded in Europe….
The animation below uses data from the Copernicus Sentinel-3 mission’s radiometer instrument and shows the land surface temperature across Italy between 9 and 10 July. As the image clearly shows, in some cities the surface of the land exceeded 45°C, including Rome, Naples, Taranto and Foggia. Along the east slopes of Mount Etna in Sicily, many temperatures were recorded as over 50°C.”

The article explains why this is one of the most outrageous lies of a whole endless series of outrageous lies. There are so many of them that it is impossible for a reasonable person to be able to determine what are accurate and reasonable studies and what are not.
The scientific method is not impervious to corruption. This has to be admitted.
Furthermore, it is not up to studying something as vast with so many known and unknown variables. The best it can offer is educated guesses so it’s hardly surprising that there are disagreements.
And the 97% consensus story is pure bunkum. Anyone who hasn’t figured that out hasn’t studied enough to have anywhere near and informed opinion – if such a thing is even possible about this complex issue which, again, is too amorphous for the scientific method to examine thoroughly.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 27 2023 22:54 utc | 76

Blinken has been in New Zealand along with the Australian Prime Minister to advocate for New Zealand’s joining the AUKUS alliance.
(There is an accessible video on the subject at the following link, containing interesting observations about the use of sports venues to conduct foreign policy talks, at least from a small country perspective.)
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/global-insight-stakes-high-if-nz-joins-aukus-pact

Posted by: juliania | Jul 27 2023 22:57 utc | 78

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 27 2023 22:49 utc | 74
im not “telling myself that”. every major science organization on the planet, including China and Russia, is telling me that. the fossil fuel companies tell me that in their public announcements, even as they continue to fund dirtbags like Watts. the scientists that work for the fossil fuel companies tell me that. conservatives, prior to the fossil fuel propaganda campaign, people like Maggie Thatcher, told me that.
you got fooled, and as you pointed out, it is far easier to fool somebody than it is to convince them they have been fooled.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 27 2023 23:07 utc | 80

yeah among climatologists and in related fields it’s probably higher than 97% now. fossil fuel companies agree even as they continue to lie about what they are doing to prevent it. which includes funding deniers to, as in the case of the tobacco industry, pretend it isn’t true. the tobacco industry used to both dress up actors in white coats and stethoscopes or bribe actual doctors to tout cigarettes and how safe they were.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 27 2023 23:16 utc | 82

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 27 2023 22:37
“It must be recalled that Reuters is owned by Anti-Human Neoliberal Parasites and promotes their interests.”
God they really all are a slimy bunch aren’t they?
Thanks for the link and your great work. Don’t say it enough.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 27 2023 23:50 utc | 84

In Nigeria, protestors are encircling the presidential palace and want to oust the pro-French president. They are waving Russian flags.
https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/status/1684640640804515840

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 28 2023 0:07 utc | 86

My 84
And in further response to the one who wants us all to STFU, no, I don’t think global boiling requires taking any immediate action. Too late for it to make any difference. All suggested acton is kinda ludicrous. Induced global dimming might do something, highly likely to cause endless other cascading problems. Only the sledgehammer approaches will do anything now and we don’t understand how the system works well enough to attempt any of those.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 28 2023 0:13 utc | 88

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 27 2023 22:12 utc | 65
Of course. As long as militaries the size of the US, Russia, China, etc. continue to operate, changing course on animal husbandry or “unclean energy” or whatever else is a complete waste of time. Which naturally is why many people view any form of action on climate change as completely hopeless, and I do not readily disagree with them in theory.
As a famous political philosopher once put it, the correct process of understanding and approaching the world goes as follows: “reality –> theory –> practice.” In turn, the people who reject societal change to stymie climate disaster on the basis of practicality I can understand. It’s those who outright discard the possibility of anthropogenic climate change on the theoretical basis of a “hoax” or “WEF/Davos fraud” I cannot. They didn’t invent the fucking thing whole cloth; they are using it as a cudgel to push us toward neo-feudalism.
The ideologists of capital can assimilate and weaponize anything. Doesn’t mean they falsely commissioned it into existence. As another user said prior, the scientific method is not infallible. It is routinely maladapted in service of political objectives. But I find it far more implausible to believe that the whole thing is completely bunk–perhaps our understanding of it is flawed, but I cannot imagine it’s something fabricated to any major degree.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 28 2023 0:56 utc | 90

So do I get to talk?
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 27 2023 23:59 utc | 84
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Finally – thank you Old Hippie.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 28 2023 1:15 utc | 92

Evidently, my last post didn’t pass muster. Wouldn’t want to jog the ptb now would we?

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 28 2023 1:35 utc | 94

Read this blog — Real Climate — if you want to get a sense of the depth of the evidence for Climate Change.
https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2023/07/back-to-basics/
I would love nothing more for it to be a hoax but it isn’t. Reality sucks.
Nothing you do as an individual is going to make a bit of difference unless you are speaking terms with Xi Jinping.
In all likelihood, we are in for a painful collapse. We probably have about ten years and a billion dead before we see a serious response. Then we find out if it is too late…

Posted by: je | Jul 28 2023 2:25 utc | 96

Personally, I think that the Earth is warming, largely because that’s where it is now in the millennia-long cycle of climate fluctuation that the ice records suggest.
I observe that human-caused pollution and devastation of the natural world is the greatest “problem” on the planet to be dealt with. We can still all live here and not live in such a way, so destructive of natural habitat.
Natural habitat is what helps protect us from the climate changes as they occur. Our task is to enhance that natural habitat, not strip it bare, which leaves us more unsupported. And we can do this.
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Looking for one single cause of “climate change” in the thought that eliminating this one cause would solve the issue is simplistic: the situation is far more complex than this.
I think we may live in a time of warming. And perhaps also in a time of cooling. We live in a time of greater extremes between both ends, perhaps.
The ultimate point is to regard all this as training.
And much of the hardship is that we’re not prepared for it. As with any training. We learn from the soreness after each obstacle.
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Of all the things we might be able to change, perhaps the global temperature is the most remote and the least likely. But I do think that if we could deal with the natural world in a more respectful manner, we might somehow find ourselves in more temperate climes.
I think that we have to save all that can be saved, and re-plant what can be grown, and adapt, and survive, as best we can, along with all the wildlife and the plant life.
The world is changing. Our imperative is not to try to stop the change (since we are not even agreed as to its nature) but to adapt to the changing conditions and strive to produce the good, manifest on our planet home.
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Talking to a friend in Florida today, she said her heart breaks to learn that the local reefs are dying, bleached by their heatwave this summer. And yet also, marine biologists in recent years have been taking parts of the reef, to grow onshore, to re-plant back in the ocean.
This is the best of humanity. It still exists.
And no, it won’t be the same as the original inheritance. But everything is changing, and so everything will change – even what survives and reproduces will change.
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Everything will change, except the spirit of goodness, which always lives on.
We will do better to stop arguing over the why and the who of the cause, and to focus on the how of the response.
Plant a trillion trees. Re-plant the reefs. Save all that can be saved. Develop the strength to live in the new conditions. Adapt – develop the strength.
This, I think, is actually the story of life. And we are in it. And we can choose our part to play.
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Two cents.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 28 2023 2:56 utc | 98

Posted by: Ed | Jul 28 2023 3:09 utc | 98
I apologize, I loaded this comment on the wrong site by mistake. I re-loaded it on the “Ukraine only” site, please ignore it.
Thank You,
Ed

Posted by: Ed | Jul 28 2023 3:31 utc | 100