I am currently working on a longer and surprisingly difficult piece which I may or may not finish today.
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July 17, 2023
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2023-170
I am currently working on a longer and surprisingly difficult piece which I may or may not finish today. In the meantime I will leave you with this: News & views (not related to the war in Ukraine) …
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In the last , fascinating exchange of ideas on non-Ukraine discussions like climate change, surely we understand by now that any aspect of the Western rules-based is founded on miteisrite materialism and the concept of policing in that framework, even in the context of climate, means the ascendancy of materialism over spirituality. Posted by: Giyane | Jul 17 2023 16:57 utc | 1 b, thanks for the link to the Gordon Hahn article in week in review, it was very thought provoking. Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jul 17 2023 17:02 utc | 2 To Giyane | Jul 17 2023 16:57 utc | 1 Posted by: dors venabili | Jul 17 2023 17:13 utc | 3 I wonder if non English speakers are getting what is meant by materialism confused. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 17 2023 17:39 utc | 4 “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill–The First Global Revolution, 1990, by The Club of Rome” Posted by: kana | Jul 17 2023 17:43 utc | 5 “…Wallace had a special role in the Ukraine war, being the oldest member of the British cabinet at 52…” Indian Punchline. Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2023 17:47 utc | 6 Another example of ” Agreement incapable ” in another political arena. Posted by: jpc | Jul 17 2023 17:53 utc | 7 I got a chuckle out of this altered photo of a neglected VZ at the recent NATO meeting in Vilnius. Posted by: David Levin | Jul 17 2023 18:10 utc | 8 These are for those “still” determined to push the meme that the US will collapse due to de- dollarisation. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 18:55 utc | 9 @4 uwdude Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 17 2023 19:08 utc | 10 NemesisCalling@10….for a second there I thought you were talking about the current western education system….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 17 2023 19:13 utc | 11 I think it is time we started pointing them in the direction of Japan. What with their HUGE debt to GDP ratios and their quadrillion Yen deficits at times. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 19:14 utc | 12 UAE and India hit the dollar: trading in national currencies (EurAsia Daily, July 16, 2023 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Jul 17 2023 19:25 utc | 13 Japan and the EU – the king and Queen of QE and low and negative interest rates for over a decade – always failed to hit their 2% interest rate targets. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 19:29 utc | 14 Iran and Russia will begin to exchange electricity through Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia (EurAsia Daily, July 16, 2023 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Jul 17 2023 19:30 utc | 15 What REALLY should have been done to fight against inflation. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 19:37 utc | 16 reply to 14 Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 17 2023 19:43 utc | 17 we hear zero about spirituality but much about the disney version of it! Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 17 2023 20:04 utc | 18 Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2023 17:47 utc | 6
Maybe you mean these ones: Posted by: Browser | Jul 17 2023 20:04 utc | 19 Switzerland will classify information about the collapse of Credit Suisse (EurAsia Daily, July 17, 2023 — in Russian)
In the spirit of true openness and transparency, Switzerland, a mature democracy, classifies information about what happened to its second largest bank for 50 years. Totally unlike those closed opaque authoritarian countries of China and Russia! Posted by: S | Jul 17 2023 20:14 utc | 20 Some say Ursula Von Der Leyen was not satisfactory as German Defense minister. Perhaps, if the goal of the German Defense ministry is defense of Germany. But what if the goal was having a president of the European Comission who is well connected in the German Defense ministry, and in a position to use the German military to support Ukraine in war against Russia? Posted by: Passerby | Jul 17 2023 20:16 utc | 21 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 18:55 utc | 9 Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 17 2023 20:28 utc | 22 dors venabili | Jul 17 2023 17:13 utc | 3– Gas suppliers have washed away the wealth of Europe: the victory over Russia turned out to be Pyrrhic (EurAsia Daily, July 17, 2023 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Jul 17 2023 20:39 utc | 24 Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 17 2023 20:28 utc | 22 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 20:48 utc | 26 Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 17 2023 20:28 utc | 22 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 20:48 utc | 27 Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 17 2023 20:28 utc | 22 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 20:52 utc | 28 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 20:48 utc | 26 Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 17 2023 21:01 utc | 29 To karlof1 | Jul 17 2023 20:39 utc | 23 Posted by: dors venabili | Jul 17 2023 21:08 utc | 30 Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 17 2023 21:01 utc | 29 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 21:20 utc | 31 There was some brief discussion in an earlier thread about parallels between our current world and Frank Herbert’s Dune saga. Looking at my utterly un-philosophical bookshelves, I’m wondering if we could draw some parallels with Terry Pratchett’s Discworld… Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 17 2023 21:26 utc | 32
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 21:20 utc | 31 Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 17 2023 21:33 utc | 33 dors venabili | Jul 17 2023 21:08 utc | 30– Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2023 20:44 utc | 25 Posted by: Browser | Jul 17 2023 21:53 utc | 35 “I’m wondering if we could draw some parallels with Terry Pratchett’s Discworld…” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 17 2023 22:31 utc | 36 Woop-de-doo, Karlof1’s substack article at the top of the page today on my buddy’s site: https://sitrepworld.info/ Browser@35 Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2023 23:29 utc | 38 Browser@35 Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2023 23:35 utc | 39 De-dollarization is not about “bankrupcy” internally, but about the contraction of a currency’s influence outside its borders. Sure fiat money works within a sovereign’s market, but the trick is to convince those outside its borders to believe in it as well. Less and less of the world is clapping for The Beast’s Tinkerbell. Disillusionment is a magic all its own. Posted by: titmouse | Jul 17 2023 23:58 utc | 40 dors venabili 3 Posted by: Giyane | Jul 18 2023 1:39 utc | 41 Why did Musk limit viewership of Twitter?
So that’s the fascinating probability of what’s going on here. Childers provides persuasive collateral for the view he’s put together, and he cites Musk himself agreeing with the thesis. Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2023 2:44 utc | 42 I’ve got my fingers crossed hoping that the subject of b’s forthcoming “longer and surprisingly difficult piece which I may or may not finish today” will touch upon China and the West’s relentless provocation campaign. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 18 2023 3:14 utc | 43
Indeed – hear hear. Posted by: Exile | Jul 18 2023 3:39 utc | 44 You just have to laugh at the editors of Reuters who have the following posting title Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2023 3:41 utc | 45 Musk ( or his early investors/handkers) is very much connected to the deep state. He has all sorts of ex-spooks involved in his companies. He has a small private army in Texas. Posted by: Exilr | Jul 18 2023 3:43 utc | 46 More thoughts on the coming new money Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2023 3:58 utc | 47 @ Browser | Jul 17 2023 20:04 utc | 19 Posted by: james | Jul 18 2023 4:34 utc | 48 From Xinhuanet
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Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2023 5:29 utc | 49 Concurrent with the Vietnam War, U.S. warplanes dropped some 260 million cluster bombs on neighboring Laos, making Laos “the most heavily bombed nation in history.” Posted by: UWDude | Jul 18 2023 5:41 utc | 50 @ psychohistorian | Jul 18 2023 3:41 utc | 45 about the Reuters posting title saying China’s economy has slower growth
Reuters is to be read to know what untruth is being pedaled today by dying empire Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2023 5:58 utc | 51 Posted by: titmouse | Jul 17 2023 23:58 utc | 40 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 8:39 utc | 52 Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 18 2023 8:36 utc | 183 (Ukraine thread) Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2023 8:56 utc | 53 Scotland exports its shell fish all over the place for funny bits of paper that it has to be exchanged back to £’s. Until certain areas now has very limited shell fish as the stocks are running out. The sea beds are bare. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 9:04 utc | 54 Posted by: Giyane | Jul 18 2023 1:39 utc | 41 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 18 2023 9:04 utc | 55 @watcher | Jul 18 2023 8:56 utc | 53
In the Middle East, there is some evidence that agriculture started/rebooted around the time Gobekli Tepe was built 12 000 years ago (according to even conventional history). Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 18 2023 9:06 utc | 56 If I was in charge I would have these local fishing communities in Scotland booming. With no exporting going on at all. I’d have more boats on the water policing and protecting our waters. Get them built on the Clyde in the ship yards in style of Navy gun ships. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 9:17 utc | 57 watcher | Jul 18 2023 8:56 utc | 53 Posted by: ZimZum | Jul 18 2023 9:28 utc | 58 Knowing the fact that taxes do not fund government spending. What’s the difference to the local economy between a business that exports sand and a government furlough payment ? Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 9:39 utc | 59 “There is quite a bit of evidence regarding ancient aboriginal trade in Australia. Ochre was a prized commodity and traded all over the continent, including the Torres Strait. So it is quite conceivable that information from Papua/ New Guinea found its way through these trade routes and vice versa.” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 9:50 utc | 60 Free trade – Hand over your real resources to a handful of people who will form a monopoly from which to extract rent. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 9:59 utc | 61 Knowing the fact that taxes do not fund government spending. What’s the difference to the local economy between a business that exports sand and a government furlough payment ? Posted by: Phil R | Jul 18 2023 11:15 utc | 62 @echochamber Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jul 18 2023 11:27 utc | 63 De-dollarization is the most serious threat to the USA. Not because it won’t be able to pay its debt, but because the subsequent drop in the value of the US$ relative to other fiat currencies will make it much harder to buy what other countries produce and America needs. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 18 2023 11:48 utc | 64 Alexander Cockburn on why the US MIC produces bad war gear: Posted by: AG | Jul 18 2023 12:34 utc | 65 Russian Novorrossyisk wheat price per ton keeps rising, now 17000 rubles per ton. The supply from Ukraine disappeared and sequentially raises the price for other wheat. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 18 2023 12:35 utc | 66 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 18 2023 11:48 utc | 64 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 12:53 utc | 67 re: censorship & German media Posted by: AG | Jul 18 2023 12:55 utc | 68 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 18 2023 11:48 utc | 64 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 13:02 utc | 69 I see Jeremy Corbyn has finally decided to pull up his fork-tongued replacement as leader of the englander labour party. The subject he has picked is a good one in that Starmer has gotten so over-confident about going back on his word that he has reneged on an undertaking that is always a keystone of labour policy, child poverty, which england has a lot of afaik about 30% of england’s kids are currently living in poverty.
It is easy to forget how self-effacing Corbyn can be, I doubt he will run for mayor as he is more interested in fixing the englander labour party, which means he will run as independent labour candidate and wait for an opportunity, which will come as not only is starmer as much of a liar as johnson or any other tory, englanders are starting to find out how corrupt starmer was as head of england’s crown prosecution service and pushed for Julian Assange to be arrested & charged on those bogus sex charges, plus there have been a couple of other instances where his calls as england’s chief prosecutor politicised other cases for a tory government. A real low life who hadn’t been an MP for long before he was made labour leader, primarily because none of the established neolib labourites had any credibility with Jo/Joe Public. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 18 2023 13:05 utc | 70 I see the subject of fisheries appeared in this thread! So the grain agreement – used to transport contraband – ended. Just noticed (while watching an RT video) that the fisheries agreement between Morocco and the EU just expired as well. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 18 2023 13:22 utc | 71 That the real constraints are your productive capacity and the skills and real resources you have at your disposal. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 13:36 utc | 72 Debsisdead@70 Posted by: bevin | Jul 18 2023 13:44 utc | 73 “..That Johan is one of the best videos I have ever seen regarding the global South in many a century.” Posted by: bevin | Jul 18 2023 13:47 utc | 74 Violent suppression of Muslim and Christian minorities? Why, you must be talking about India, where Modi and his BJP continue to channel their inner Netanyahus and try to deflect increasing criticism from abroad as well as within the country. Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 18 2023 14:00 utc | 75 Posted by: bevin | Jul 18 2023 13:47 utc | 74 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 14:03 utc | 76 So Echochamber , why cant we make money shorting Japanese bonds? Also , how do we make money from your MMT Theory? Posted by: Wondrous | Jul 18 2023 14:03 utc | 77 Gas suppliers have washed away the wealth of Europe
Reuters Posted by: Passerby | Jul 18 2023 14:15 utc | 79 Posted by: Wondrous | Jul 18 2023 14:03 utc | 77 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 14:28 utc | 80 Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 18 2023 13:05 utc | 70 Posted by: juliania | Jul 18 2023 15:07 utc | 81 Echo Chmaber is it us or yourself you are trying to convince that dedollarization will not affect Maerica? Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 18 2023 15:30 utc | 82 Oh..and if you own anything at all of course your wealth increased. Doesnt take natural genius to make money in such an environment. Inflation does that, as the value of the currency plummets, assets inflate in value. In Totonto you can buy a dilapidated shithouse for a million dollars USD adjusted. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 18 2023 15:33 utc | 83 Any comments on or opinions on why many central banks are adding to their gold reserves if fiat currency can continue indefinitely? Is it just for use as a hedge? Posted by: Bubba | Jul 18 2023 15:47 utc | 84 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 18 2023 12:53 utc | 67
So America is unable to import all it needs, all imports surge in price when inside the American market, inflation or hyper-inflation, economic decline or disaster, suffering and convulsion, re-industrialization, and recovery after decades, but the recovery will be to a different world, a world where America has to be productive and its products (not just weapons, consumer products) are wanted in other nations because the demand for the US$ from abroad just to settle trade and reserve value will have vanished. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 18 2023 15:55 utc | 85 Jeremy seems like a rare bird – the real deal. But I’m more of a fan of his iconoclastic, brilliant brother Piers. @ bevin Posted by: james | Jul 18 2023 16:24 utc | 87 It doesn’t make headlines,but I wonder if anybody at all has noticed that an american woman is to be made chief of the anti-trust legislation department of the European Union;France has made a tepid protest to this nomination. Posted by: willie | Jul 18 2023 16:25 utc | 88 @ willie | Jul 18 2023 16:25 utc | 88 Posted by: james | Jul 18 2023 16:31 utc | 89 Posted by: james | Jul 18 2023 16:31 utc | 89 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 18 2023 16:35 utc | 90 james@87 Posted by: bevin | Jul 18 2023 16:46 utc | 91 @ juliania | Jul 18 2023 15:07 utc | 81 (and Debs) Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2023 17:37 utc | 92 Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2023 17:37 utc | 92 Posted by: juliania | Jul 18 2023 18:22 utc | 93 Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2023 17:37 utc | 92 Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 18 2023 18:52 utc | 94 Where in MoA can I find some discussion of the ‘Trump situation in America? Posted by: arthur brogard | Jul 18 2023 19:18 utc | 95 Posted by: Browser | Jul 17 2023 20:04 utc | 19 Posted by: juliania | Jul 18 2023 20:07 utc | 96 As for Germany. Is the country engaged in some civil war centered about swimming pools? I know swimming pools became an issue because recent male immigrants thought it okay to sexually assault German women. At this point, NATO needs to invade itself to keep the West from collapsing. Posted by: Erelis | Jul 18 2023 20:23 utc | 97 @ Blue Dotterel | Jul 18 2023 16:35 utc | 90 Posted by: james | Jul 18 2023 22:31 utc | 98 https://www.technocracy.news/russia-launches-its-own-cbdc-the-digital-ruble/
Article today in ZH about CBDC’s world wide in 93% of nations by 2030: Juliette, Bevin and Grieved, I really appreciate your kind responses to the post I made last night (Aotearoa time) on Jeremy Corbyn & his continuing fight with labour, this time for something he considers more vital than his career, children. To tell you the truth I had almost given up on MoA as even here in the open thread one issue dingbats repeating the same didactic tosh over and over again are drowning out other voices simply by over-posting. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 18 2023 23:41 utc | 100 |
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