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July 6, 2023
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2023-160
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Where did the belief that Russia was weak, and its soldiers pussies, and that Russia would run from a fight originate ?
So that^ is the *original* incident.
/The statement posted above./^ Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 6 2023 14:32 utc | 1 A Heritage Foundation guy in the Hill today claims that China (PRC) owes American bondholders a trillion ($1,000,000,000,000) dollars on defaulted sovereign debt. Says Andrew Hale, just because the debt in question was incurred by the Republic of China prior to WWII and the communist revolution doesn’t mean the PRC is off the hook for it. Is he crazy, or is this the new official avenue of financial attack against China? Didn’t the ROC flee to Taiwan, so wouldn’t it make sense for Taiwan to pay it? If anyone had to, since this sounds like they’re trying to unearth some zombie debt that everyone rational would have thought was long buried and gone. Posted by: TM | Jul 6 2023 14:41 utc | 2 US releases footage of Russian fighter jets ‘harassing’ US drones over Syria Posted by: too scents | Jul 6 2023 14:41 utc | 3 I stumbled on a few youtubes about the Kogi tribe yesterday. It’s quite a story. The last indigenous, and theocratic, civilization (as opposed to tribe) in the world with an extraordinary spiritual tradition featuring the training of their ‘mamos’ / sages which keeps them for eighteen or more years in darkness learning how to listen to darkness and the Earth. The film takes us on a journey prompted by them, for they have a message to deliver to their ‘younger brothers’ (us) before the world is trashed beyond repair. And they say they know how to repair things but need to create a bridge of communication between the ancient and modern perceptions. They haven’t built that bridge yet, as the film shows, and yet there has been significant progress. Several of the scientific experts called in to consult during the movie confirmed several of the Kogi’s assertions. [1] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 6 2023 15:12 utc | 5 Conflict with China … Posted by: too scents | Jul 6 2023 15:24 utc | 6 indian punchline from today.. it seems modi is struggling between accommodating the usa agenda and a closer relationship with the sco.. Posted by: james | Jul 6 2023 15:40 utc | 7 @Melaleuca #1 Posted by: S | Jul 6 2023 15:42 utc | 8 indian punchline from today.. it seems modi is struggling between accommodating the usa agenda and a closer relationship with the sco.. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 15:55 utc | 9 @ Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 15:55 utc | 8 Posted by: james | Jul 6 2023 16:08 utc | 10 i liked what you said at the tail end of the open ukraine thread about the importance of people and humanity in all of this.. cheers james Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 16:18 utc | 11 Posted by: S | Jul 6 2023 15:42 utc | 7 Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 6 2023 16:38 utc | 12 Scorpion @3 Posted by: robjira | Jul 6 2023 16:56 utc | 13 Again for all who’re interested, Maria Zakharova in today’s briefing again said the following: Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6 2023 16:57 utc | 14 Posted by: Tim | Jul 6 2023 18:02 utc | 15 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 16:18 utc | 11 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 6 2023 18:03 utc | 16
Posted by: james | Jul 6 2023 16:08 utc | 10 Posted by: West of England Andy | Jul 6 2023 19:10 utc | 17 @ West of England Andy | Jul 6 2023 19:10 utc | 17 Posted by: james | Jul 6 2023 19:47 utc | 18 Posted by: james | Jul 6 2023 16:08 utc | 10 Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 6 2023 20:00 utc | 19 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 6 2023 18:03 utc | 16 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 20:11 utc | 20 Posted by: james | Jul 6 2023 19:47 utc | 18 Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 6 2023 20:33 utc | 21 Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 20:11 utc | 20 Posted by: Concerned Citizen | Jul 6 2023 20:33 utc | 22 Posted by: Concerned Citizen | Jul 6 2023 20:33 utc | 22 Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 6 2023 20:40 utc | 23 This Q&A occurred outside the setting of today’s briefing: “Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova’s answer to a media question following US State Department Spokesperson Maria Miller’s statement on the situation around the Anglo-American School (AAS) in Moscow:”
The usual recipe for getting people indoctrinated into WEF, Neoliberal and now Woke bullshit that the Outlaw US Empire has practiced globally for decades. Interesting take on the riots from a ‘right-winger’ in France: Patrick Lawrence: We Need to Talk About Nahel
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 6 2023 20:46 utc | 26 Posted by: TM | Jul 6 2023 14:41 utc | 2 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 6 2023 20:49 utc | 27 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 6 2023 14:32 utc | 1 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2023 20:52 utc | 28 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 6 2023 18:03 utc | 16 Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 6 2023 20:57 utc | 29 As to laïcité, please do not try to tell me that women wearing veils “disturb the public order.” They disturb the minds of people who wish for a certain kind of order. In effect, the 18th century principle is simply not adequate to address 21st century realities. What was once meant to encourage freedom of thought and religion is now used to inhibit, if not prohibit, both. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2023 21:07 utc | 30 The summary of my book, The Expansionist West Meets The Immovable East. Would greatly appreciate comments, feedback.
As Lukashenko found out, you cant keep a foot in one boat and the other foot in another, sooner or later you have to pick a boat or end up very wet. Erdogan and Modi have this conundrum, and they know the scale of response from boat West if they pick boat East. With Erdogan, he is already taking so much aggressive responses from the West I wonder why he doesn’t just take the move. Ego and the mirage of his “greater Turkey” clouding his judgement? Modi is at an earlier phase of this conundrum. @anon2020 #12:
You’re right, we don’t know for sure what caused it.
To clarify, I wasn’t debating this part, and I trust Melaleuca and you on this. When I wrote “you’re wrong,” I was only reacting to Melaleuca’s mistaken hypothesis/assumption that the participants of the battle were Syrians. Posted by: S | Jul 6 2023 21:23 utc | 32 Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 15:55 utc | 9 Posted by: grunzt | Jul 6 2023 21:29 utc | 33 Posted by: S | Jul 6 2023 21:23 utc | 32 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2023 21:29 utc | 34 Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics (Aristot. Nic. Eth. 1), origin of “The Good, the Bad, and the LOL incontinent” western value system
* translator’s anachronistic error—assigning a personal name to the whole of classical Greek theogeny. Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 6 2023 21:44 utc | 35 “As long as the dollar is still good enough to buy votes at the UN assembly, or bribe top officials of many countries into policies favoured by Washington…”, Posted by: dh | Jul 6 2023 21:48 utc | 36 SLA, S&H not included ahahahaha
Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 6 2023 22:00 utc | 37 Posted by: grunzt | Jul 6 2023 21:29 utc | 33 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 22:02 utc | 38 Time to announc and link to Pepe Escobar’s latest, “Finance, power, integration: The SCO welcomes a new ‘Global Globe’: Discussions at the recent SCO Summit in New Delhi now point to the inevitable: The merging of new multipolar organizations and their collective reorganization of global finance.” Lvov pogrom of 1941 and the present disgrace for Jews (EurAsia Daily, Igor Levitas, June 30, 2023 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Jul 6 2023 22:07 utc | 40 @ sln2002 | Jul 6 2023 20:00 utc | 19 Posted by: james | Jul 6 2023 22:14 utc | 41 As Lukashenko found out, you cant keep a foot in one boat and the other foot in another, sooner or later you have to pick a boat or end up very wet. Erdogan and Modi have this conundrum, and they know the scale of response from boat West if they pick boat East. With Erdogan, he is already taking so much aggressive responses from the West I wonder why he doesn’t just take the move. Ego and the mirage of his “greater Turkey” clouding his judgement? Modi is at an earlier phase of this conundrum. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 22:18 utc | 42 Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics (Aristot. Nic. Eth. 1), origin of “The Good, the Bad, and the LOL incontinent” western value system Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 22:34 utc | 43 @james #43 Posted by: S | Jul 6 2023 22:36 utc | 44 Dr. Hudson asks a very good question: “Should there really be a Supreme Court?” reopening a discussion from the mid 1930s. We haven’t discussed early US history very much, but it appears we see the Constitution as being brought about for the same basic reasons as the Articles of Confederation were too democratic as were many of the state constitutions of the Revolutionary Era. Hudson’s argument is very similar to FDR’s during the 1930s when that Era’s USSC deemed a series of New Deal laws Unconstitutional and FDR responded with his notion of expanding the number of Justices known as the “Court Packing Plan, which we’re told in history texts raised the public ire and cost FDR politically, but the USSC didn’t veto any further New Deal legislation. Given the way history’s now being grossly manipulated, I’m wondering about past interpretations like the one above–a lot of work examining many of that Era’s newspapers and magazines would be required to verify or overturn that narrative. Given the public mood in the mid 1930s, I’d imagine many would be with FDR and against the Court for striking down very popular legislation aimed at putting people back to work to literally keep them alive. Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6 2023 22:06 utc | 39 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 23:33 utc | 46 https://nypost.com/2023/07/06/cocaine-found-near-situation-room-wh-cant-rule-out-hunter/
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 6 2023 23:36 utc | 47 Let’s get UK journalism back up into the ditch, here’s some “real” fake news on the recent hubbub in Old Blighty 🙂
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— Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 7 2023 0:06 utc | 49 USAF whines about their flying robots turning into chicken barbecue, this encourages the Russians & RoW and makes them/us happy 🙂 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 7 2023 0:44 utc | 50 Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 23:33 utc | 51– S | Jul 6 2023 22:07 utc | 40 Posted by: Cynic | Jul 7 2023 1:21 utc | 52 @ Roger | Jul 6 2023 21:20 utc | 31 Posted by: james | Jul 7 2023 1:38 utc | 53 karlof1 | Jul 6 2023 22:54 utc | 49 Posted by: robjira | Jul 7 2023 1:55 utc | 54 @ karlof1 49 Posted by: AG | Jul 7 2023 1:56 utc | 55 Marianne Williamson Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2023 2:16 utc | 56 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 20:11 utc | 20 Posted by: horseguards | Jul 7 2023 2:23 utc | 57 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 6 2023 20:49 utc | 27 Posted by: horseguards | Jul 7 2023 2:46 utc | 58 Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 23:33 utc | 51– Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 7 2023 2:51 utc | 59 Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6 2023 22:06 utc | 39 Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 7 2023 3:09 utc | 60 good for whom? good for what? why is it good? Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 7 2023 3:25 utc | 61 @Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6 2023 22:54 utc | 49
Alexander Hamilton and the other US rich made sure there were lots of blockages on the ability of the many (the not rich) to “terrorize” the few (the rich). The Supreme Court with its ability to nullify the common will as expressed by government legislation was the backstop. The stated sanctity of property, the majority of which at the time had no democratic legitimacy or was the product of Hamilton’s scheme to pay off the war debt speculators (many of which were his fellow framers) at 100 cents on the dollar with Federal funds gained from taxes, has constantly been a problem for progressive legislators. well, yeah. Read the book. Aristotle’s discursion ultimately concludes a dogmatic template of “good” is a political necessity. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 7 2023 3:46 utc | 63 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 20:11 utc | 20 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 7 2023 3:58 utc | 64 sln2002 | Jul 7 2023 3:09 utc | 66–
Posted by: Exile | Jul 7 2023 4:17 utc | 66 maintenance manual Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 7 2023 4:19 utc | 67 @ karlof1 | Jul 6 2023 22:06 utc | 39 with the link to the latest from Pepe Escobar…thanks
Given Modi’s recent trip to the US this is not a surprising source for this boundary setting limit on the upcoming BRICS+ meeting
It was interesting to read commentary on the Ukraine today about the gyrations of US Treasury auctions and the fragility of the Western fiat private system of finance where the profits are privatized and the losses socialized across ALL Western nations. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 7 2023 4:25 utc | 68 Bemildred | Jul 7 2023 2:51 utc | 65–
I always notice the word choices: savaged, opened up with both barrels, mauled, barbed irony, you can really see the “creative” process at work. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 7 2023 4:32 utc | 69 divesting dollarized debt Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 7 2023 4:32 utc | 70 Ukraine thread #132 shadowbanned Posted by: paxmark1 | Jul 7 2023 4:33 utc | 71 Roger and karlof1 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2023 5:01 utc | 72 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 7 2023 4:25 utc | 74 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2023 5:41 utc | 73 Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2023 2:16 utc | 62 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 7 2023 5:51 utc | 74 If a country wants to divest from the dollar and they have a big external debt, what they need is a new lender. It is like switching banks. A new bank has to be willing to borrow the money. I doubt borrowing Argentina a bunch of money is such a good idea. They have a long history of stiffing lenders. Better to let the go broke first, or keep sucking money away from the dollar using sources. Posted by: Jmaas | Jul 7 2023 5:54 utc | 75 A basket of currencies is probably the best option. Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 7 2023 6:05 utc | 76 I was at a joint-university workshop on “Rethinking Democracy” this morning and one of the presentations really struck me, it was about something called “Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism” P/CVE. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 6 2023 23:36 utc | 52 Posted by: Boy | Jul 7 2023 6:47 utc | 78 Posted by: Roger | Jul 7 2023 6:39 utc | 86 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 7 2023 6:53 utc | 79 Posted by: Boy | Jul 7 2023 6:47 utc | 87 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 7 2023 6:58 utc | 80 This come out thursday 6th July. It’s a vid of Ben Cohen founder of ben & jerry ice cream getting arrested outside justice in washington for protesting the extradition of Julian Assange. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 7 2023 7:15 utc | 81 Hamilton! Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 7 2023 7:35 utc | 82 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 7 2023 4:25 utc | 68 Posted by: Boy | Jul 7 2023 8:30 utc | 83 Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 7 2023 3:09 utc | 60 Posted by: Boy | Jul 7 2023 8:50 utc | 84 suggested watching/listening: Posted by: AG | Jul 7 2023 9:50 utc | 85 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6 2023 20:11 utc | 20 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 7 2023 10:11 utc | 86 With squeaky bore Yellen being sent into the lions den to beg a seat at the new financial orders top table – because you know, it’s her right as shown by the primary contract from the God Owner of the Earth , set in stone, see, that no one can possibly deny etc – that her and her fella wankers can’t stop happening. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 7 2023 10:11 utc | 87 @ Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 7 2023 3:58 utc | 64 Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 7 2023 10:40 utc | 88 Karlofi1 and Roger Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 7 2023 11:01 utc | 89 About a year ago I pointed out to oldhippie that Malorussian (Ukrainian) immigrants to the U.S. used to refer to themselves as “Russians” or “Little Russians” in their U.S. publications before abruptly switching to “Ukrainians” after the start of WW1. Oldhippie was skeptical and asked for evidence, which I couldn’t locate quickly. Well, now I finally found it.
So just like that, on October 15, 1914, the people who used to call themselves Russians or Rusyns in their own language and Ruthenians or Little Russians in English started calling themselves Ukrainians both in their own language and in English.
Posted by: S | Jul 7 2023 11:25 utc | 90 Buffer stocks and price stability 5 part series Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 7 2023 11:31 utc | 91 S @ 90 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 7 2023 11:37 utc | 92 Finally, Productivity ! Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 7 2023 11:44 utc | 93 S @ 90 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 7 2023 11:51 utc | 94 S #90:
Should really be “Lenin stayed in Krakow.” Posted by: S | Jul 7 2023 13:20 utc | 95
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 7 2023 13:23 utc | 96 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 7 2023 11:44 utc | 93 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 7 2023 13:31 utc | 97 Aleph Null @96 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 7 2023 13:32 utc | 98 Pardon me for doing some catching up – here is my last post on the previous Sunday’s Week in Review thread – to which I shall respond in my next one:
I have bolded Ed’s quotation from Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians,as well as his interpretation thereof, as that is the matter at hand. Apologies for the delay, Ed. Posted by: juliania | Jul 7 2023 13:45 utc | 99 He came out of that chrysalis with his exorbitant cross dresser persona and just like that , Cinders went to the ball, became a personality, talking head and now a grandee… as a creation of the Princess and her helpers who admittedly probably loved him and wanted to get him the fame he probably doesn’t deserve… Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 7 2023 13:50 utc | 100 |
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