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Battle For Robotyne – Ukraine Open Thread 2023-178
It seems that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have had a bad day so far.
Yesterday they made another reconnaissance attack on Robotyne, south of Orkiv. It cost them 2 tanks. This morning they launched a much bigger attack in which at least three motorized battalions with tanks took part. They managed to get to the north-east end east of Robotyne but did not enter the town.
According to the Russian Ministry of Defense the attack cost the Ukrainian army 22 tanks, 10 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles and one armored combat vehicle. Several of these losses have been confirmed by drone videos from the region.
Over 100 Ukrainians were killed or wounded during that attack alone. The Ukrainian forces are retreating.
Yesterday the Ukrainian forces lost a total 20 artillery pieces. It is only the second time during the 50+ days of the Ukrainian counter-offensive that this level was reached. The losses included 5 2S1 Gvozdika self propelled howitzer, 3 Polish made Krab self propelled howitzer, 3 M-777 howitzer and several other types of bigger guns.
The Ukrainian friendly LiveUAmap shows Robotyne in Ukrainian hand.
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However, even the Ukrainian Defense Ministry made no such claim. According to various Russian sources the town is still in Russian hands.
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Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of July 26, 2023)
During the day, the armed forces of Ukraine continued to attempt offensive actions in the Donetsk, Krasno-Limansk and South Donetsk directions.
In the Donetsk direction, the coordinated actions of the defending units in close cooperation with the aviation and artillery of the “Southern” group of troops successfully repelled four enemy attacks in the areas of the settlements of Belogorovka, Severnoye, Maryinka and Vodiane of the Donetsk People’s Republic. In addition, the AFU units were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Bogdanovka, Disputable and Avdiivka of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
Two ammunition depots of the 28th and 110th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Dyleyevka and Avdiivka of the Donetsk People’s Republic. The enemy’s losses during the day amounted to 210 Ukrainian servicemen, seven armored combat vehicles, three cars, two US-made M777 artillery systems, three Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery units, D-20 and D-30 guns, as well as a US-made M119 howitzer.
▫️ In the Krasno-Limansky direction, units of the 15th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the Center group of troops continued offensive operations in the area of the settlement of Sergeyevka of the Luhansk People’s Republic. The advance was up to three kilometers along the front and 2,700 meters into the depth of the enemy’s defense. Air strikes, artillery fire and heavy flamethrower systems repelled four APU attacks in the areas of the settlements of Chervonaya Dibrova and the District Town of the Luhansk People’s Republic, as well as the Serebryansky forestry. In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ manpower and equipment were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Novovodyanoye of the Luhansk People’s Republic, Torskoye, Yampolovka and Grigorovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
▫️ In the area of the settlement of Terny of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the activities of the Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group were suppressed. In addition, an ammunition depot of the 66th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed near the settlement of Novolyubovka of the Luhansk People’s Republic.
The daily losses of the enemy amounted to more than 190 Ukrainian servicemen, five armored combat vehicles, four pickups, two howitzers: D-20 and D-30, three self-propelled artillery installations “Gvozdika”, as well as a radar station of counter-battery warfare manufactured by the United States AN/TPQ-50.
In the South Donetsk direction, the defending units, relying on competently installed minefields, strikes of operational-tactical and army aviation, artillery fire of the Vostok group of troops, repelled an enemy attack in the direction of the Nikolskoye settlement of the Zaporozhye region.
In the areas of the settlements of Storozhevoye and Neskuchnoye of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the manpower and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were affected.
▫️ In the Zaporozhye direction, an enemy attack in the direction of Workino has been reflected over the past day. Two tanks, a Hyacinth-B howitzer, as well as a self-propelled artillery installation “Carnation” were destroyed.
In addition, the strikes of operational-tactical, army aviation and artillery fire defeated the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Malaya Tokmachka, Yablokovo and Rabodino of the Zaporozhye region.
Also, a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group was destroyed in the area of the Lugovskoye settlement of the Zaporozhye region.
On the morning of July 26, the enemy resumed intensive offensive operations in the Orekhovsky direction. Conducted a massive attack by three battalions reinforced with tanks.
The courageous and professional actions of the units of the 810th Marine Brigade and the 71st Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division repelled all the attacks of the AFU. Positions are held.
During the battle, 22 enemy tanks, 10 infantry fighting vehicles, an armored combat vehicle, as well as more than 100 Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed.
▫️ In the Kupyansk direction, units of the 7th Motorized Rifle Regiment of the Western Group of Troops, using the results of fire damage, are conducting successful offensive operations in the Kuzemovsky direction and have taken more advantageous positions.
The enemy’s losses during the day amounted to up to 135 Ukrainian servicemen, one tank, three armored combat vehicles, four vehicles, the M777 artillery system manufactured by the USA, the Msta-B and D-20 howitzers, the Gvozdika self-propelled artillery installation, as well as the US AN/TPQ counter-battery radar-50.
In the Kherson direction, as a result of the fire damage, the enemy’s losses amounted to up to 40 Ukrainian servicemen, five cars, as well as a self-propelled artillery installation “Acacia”.
An ammunition depot of the 124th Territorial Defense Brigade was destroyed near the village of Zelenovka, Kherson region.
▫️ Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery groups of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation defeated 104 artillery units of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in firing positions, manpower and military equipment of the enemy in 128 districts during the day.
Two control points of the 21st Mechanized and 79th Airborne Assault Brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit in the areas of the settlements of Ivanovka and Novomikhailovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
▫️ Air defense means intercepted seven HIMARS multiple rocket launchers and two Storm Shadow cruise missiles during the day. In addition, 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Karmazinovka, Zolotarevka, Rubezhnoye of the Luhansk People’s Republic, Verkhnekamenskoye, Yevgenovka, Yampolovka, Krasnaya Polyana of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Chumatskoye and Dibrova of the Zaporozhye region.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 457 aircraft, 244 helicopters, 5271 unmanned aerial vehicles, 426 anti-aircraft missile systems, 10942 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1139 multiple rocket launchers, 5624 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 11906 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
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Posted by: rumod report | Jul 26 2023 15:11 utc | 6
The US has a shockingly poor historical record of failure, incompetence and stupidity in planning and executing assaults on prepared defense line fortified in depth with minefields, obstacles, and bunkers/fortified fighting positions.
The last time the US initiated such an assault was in September 1944 when it tried to breakthrough Germany’s Westwall/Siegfried Line by attacking through the Huertgen Forest. Three months of bloody failure costing tens of thousands of casualties:
“In the previous three months of battle, five U.S. infantry divisions, the 1st, 4th, 8th, 9th and 28th, plus the 5th Armored Division, had fought full-scale engagements in the Huertgen. Together with support troops and the 2nd Rangers, they represented a force of 120,000 American soldiers. Of that number 24,000 were killed, wounded, reported missing or captured. Another 9,000 fell victim to the diseases of the forest – pneumonia, trenchfoot and “combat fatigue.” The total was an appalling 33,000, a loss of more than a quarter of the divisions’ effectives – even more terrible when one considers that many of that original 120,000 never actually saw the frontline as did the infantry, tankers and combat engineers. In terms of fighting men the percentage might well have been as high as fifty percent. Was it worth it, one might ask. To British General H. Essame, who fought throughout the campaign himself from D-Day onward as an infantry brigadier, it was an enigma “why Bradley chose to make his main effort in the shambles of the Huertgen Forest instead of over the easier going on the Ninth Army’s front… Better still, he could have attacked through the Ardennes to the immediate south where the Germans were known to be in no great strength.” It was a conclusion shared by Infantry Captain and future historian Charles MacDonald, whose 2nd Infantry Division would soon take part in the last battle for the Huertgen: “Those in the Huertgen Forest fought a misconceived and basically fruitless battle that could have, and should have, been avoided. This is the real tragedy of the battle of the Huertgen Forest.”
Whiting, Charles. Siegfried: The Nazi’s Last Stand . Bookzat Publishing Ltd. Kindle Edition.
The overall cost of the Siegfried Line Campaign, in US personnel, was close to 140,000. In addition, there were Canadian, British and French casualties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Line
It took from Sept 44 to March 45 to completely penetrate the Westwall, and that was with overwhelmimg air superiority, and significant artillery superiority.
So, in 1944/45 it took the current core NATO countries, with all their then advantages and superiority, six months to crack the Westwall, yet these feckers have the gall to complain the Ukrainians, with essentially zero air power and huge artillery inferiority, are “too slow”?
Posted by: ltexpat | Jul 26 2023 16:08 utc | 20
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