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July 26, 2023

Battle For Robotyne - Ukraine Open Thread 2023-178

It seems that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have had a bad day so far.

Yesterday they made another reconnaissance attack on Robotyne, south of Orkiv. It cost them 2 tanks. This morning they launched a much bigger attack in which at least three motorized battalions with tanks took part. They managed to get to the north-east end east of Robotyne but did not enter the town.

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense the attack cost the Ukrainian army 22 tanks, 10 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles and one armored combat vehicle. Several of these losses have been confirmed by drone videos from the region.

Over 100 Ukrainians were killed or wounded during that attack alone. The Ukrainian forces are retreating.

Yesterday the Ukrainian forces lost a total 20 artillery pieces. It is only the second time during the 50+ days of the Ukrainian counter-offensive that this level was reached. The losses included 5 2S1 Gvozdika self propelled howitzer, 3 Polish made Krab self propelled howitzer, 3 M-777 howitzer and several other types of bigger guns.

The Ukrainian friendly LiveUAmap shows Robotyne in Ukrainian hand.


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However, even the Ukrainian Defense Ministry made no such claim. According to various Russian sources the town is still in Russian hands.


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Use this thread as open thread related to Ukraine.

An open thread for other issues can be found here.

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from my point of view, this is good news... thanks b.. i wish the needless loss of life here didn't have to happen.. i blame all the neo cons for this..

Posted by: james | Jul 26 2023 14:46 utc | 1

for anyone interested, i found this article quite good..

The End of Power Projection? AURELIEN substack article..

also from yesterday indian punchline for anyone interested..

Glimpses of an endgame in Ukraine

Posted by: james | Jul 26 2023 14:49 utc | 2

Although I feel for those poor devils, this is definitely good news.

When I read Robotyne on this early post I immediately thought imperialism provided some new wunderwaffen. Imagining Ed-209 from robocop or something.

https://youtu.be/TYsulVXpgYg

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 26 2023 15:02 utc | 3

The Russians are holding in the Zaporizhzhia area turning some areas like Robotyne into killing fields. The Russian meat grinder continues to chew up the AFU and Western mercenaries.

The Russians may be losing a little ground near Bakhmut, and they are advancing in the northern front just West of Karmazyanivka in the Luhansk area.

The advancement west of Karmazyanivka started out last week with the formation of a beachhead across a small river. Then it quickly turned into a breakthrough. Now it has grown to a salient.

Overall, the Ukrainian offensive is playing itself out while the Russians are advancing.

It does not look like Ukraine is going to be able to play the West for much more equipment and money since the West knows, without doubt, that it will not be able to take down Russia via the zero lines in Ukraine.

The USA and its NATO vassals will shift to another strategy to take Russia down. They have no choice since Russia is threatening the world reserve currency status of the United States Dollar.

The USA is in a snare. And it can't get out!

Posted by: young | Jul 26 2023 15:03 utc | 4

Leaked German intelligence report slams Ukraine's counter-offensive as 'too slow'

Senior British military officials dismiss claims in leaked report by Bundeswehr because they just don't ‘ring true’.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 26 2023 15:07 utc | 5

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of July 26, 2023)

During the day, the armed forces of Ukraine continued to attempt offensive actions in the Donetsk, Krasno-Limansk and South Donetsk directions.

In the Donetsk direction, the coordinated actions of the defending units in close cooperation with the aviation and artillery of the "Southern" group of troops successfully repelled four enemy attacks in the areas of the settlements of Belogorovka, Severnoye, Maryinka and Vodiane of the Donetsk People's Republic. In addition, the AFU units were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Bogdanovka, Disputable and Avdiivka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

Two ammunition depots of the 28th and 110th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Dyleyevka and Avdiivka of the Donetsk People's Republic. The enemy's losses during the day amounted to 210 Ukrainian servicemen, seven armored combat vehicles, three cars, two US-made M777 artillery systems, three Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery units, D-20 and D-30 guns, as well as a US-made M119 howitzer.

▫️ In the Krasno-Limansky direction, units of the 15th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the Center group of troops continued offensive operations in the area of the settlement of Sergeyevka of the Luhansk People's Republic. The advance was up to three kilometers along the front and 2,700 meters into the depth of the enemy's defense. Air strikes, artillery fire and heavy flamethrower systems repelled four APU attacks in the areas of the settlements of Chervonaya Dibrova and the District Town of the Luhansk People's Republic, as well as the Serebryansky forestry. In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces' manpower and equipment were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Novovodyanoye of the Luhansk People's Republic, Torskoye, Yampolovka and Grigorovka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

▫️ In the area of the settlement of Terny of the Donetsk People's Republic, the activities of the Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group were suppressed. In addition, an ammunition depot of the 66th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed near the settlement of Novolyubovka of the Luhansk People's Republic.

The daily losses of the enemy amounted to more than 190 Ukrainian servicemen, five armored combat vehicles, four pickups, two howitzers: D-20 and D-30, three self-propelled artillery installations "Gvozdika", as well as a radar station of counter-battery warfare manufactured by the United States AN/TPQ-50.

In the South Donetsk direction, the defending units, relying on competently installed minefields, strikes of operational-tactical and army aviation, artillery fire of the Vostok group of troops, repelled an enemy attack in the direction of the Nikolskoye settlement of the Zaporozhye region.
In the areas of the settlements of Storozhevoye and Neskuchnoye of the Donetsk People's Republic, the manpower and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were affected.

▫️ In the Zaporozhye direction, an enemy attack in the direction of Workino has been reflected over the past day. Two tanks, a Hyacinth-B howitzer, as well as a self-propelled artillery installation "Carnation" were destroyed.
In addition, the strikes of operational-tactical, army aviation and artillery fire defeated the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Malaya Tokmachka, Yablokovo and Rabodino of the Zaporozhye region.

Also, a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group was destroyed in the area of the Lugovskoye settlement of the Zaporozhye region.

On the morning of July 26, the enemy resumed intensive offensive operations in the Orekhovsky direction. Conducted a massive attack by three battalions reinforced with tanks.

The courageous and professional actions of the units of the 810th Marine Brigade and the 71st Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division repelled all the attacks of the AFU. Positions are held.

During the battle, 22 enemy tanks, 10 infantry fighting vehicles, an armored combat vehicle, as well as more than 100 Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed.

▫️ In the Kupyansk direction, units of the 7th Motorized Rifle Regiment of the Western Group of Troops, using the results of fire damage, are conducting successful offensive operations in the Kuzemovsky direction and have taken more advantageous positions.

The enemy's losses during the day amounted to up to 135 Ukrainian servicemen, one tank, three armored combat vehicles, four vehicles, the M777 artillery system manufactured by the USA, the Msta-B and D-20 howitzers, the Gvozdika self-propelled artillery installation, as well as the US AN/TPQ counter-battery radar-50.

In the Kherson direction, as a result of the fire damage, the enemy's losses amounted to up to 40 Ukrainian servicemen, five cars, as well as a self-propelled artillery installation "Acacia".
An ammunition depot of the 124th Territorial Defense Brigade was destroyed near the village of Zelenovka, Kherson region.

▫️ Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery groups of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation defeated 104 artillery units of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in firing positions, manpower and military equipment of the enemy in 128 districts during the day.

Two control points of the 21st Mechanized and 79th Airborne Assault Brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit in the areas of the settlements of Ivanovka and Novomikhailovka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

▫️ Air defense means intercepted seven HIMARS multiple rocket launchers and two Storm Shadow cruise missiles during the day. In addition, 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Karmazinovka, Zolotarevka, Rubezhnoye of the Luhansk People's Republic, Verkhnekamenskoye, Yevgenovka, Yampolovka, Krasnaya Polyana of the Donetsk People's Republic, Chumatskoye and Dibrova of the Zaporozhye region.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 457 aircraft, 244 helicopters, 5271 unmanned aerial vehicles, 426 anti-aircraft missile systems, 10942 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1139 multiple rocket launchers, 5624 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 11906 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

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Posted by: rumod report | Jul 26 2023 15:11 utc | 6

With Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland promoted by Biden to Deputy Secretary of State, expect further Neocon escalation:

https://jamesburrillangell.substack.com/p/strange-diplomacy-victoria-fck-the

Posted by: doim | Jul 26 2023 15:21 utc | 7

I must say I’m quite shocked by how the Ukrainian offensive plays out. I’ve been following wars (from a distance, luckily) for two decades and I can’t think of any other party sustaining a major offensive for two months achieving absolutely nothing. This will go down in history as the all time high of military stupidity.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jul 26 2023 15:22 utc | 8

I'm waiting for an internal revolt within the Ukrainian forces on the Southern front - these guys know that they are being sent on suicidal missions ...

... just who is giving those orders to advance into oblivion.


Worth noting the video of Ukrainian soldiers pleading for help from Zelenski to stop their commanders from sending them on suicide missions on that Kherson bridge in Simplicius latest.

@Ordinary non-fascist Ukrainian soldiers

Surrender. This is the only wise move.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 26 2023 15:29 utc | 9

Maerica already has set a historical precedent with the untramelled idiocy of their back-of-napkin 'strategy' to confront China through breaking up Russia. They are in full on improvisation mode. The stupidity and hubris of Western leadership has no upper boundary.

They could have had prosperity and peace but they wanted absolute dominance so they will have nothing.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 26 2023 15:30 utc | 10

https://t.me/vicktop55/16224 says

"In the Orekhov-Rabotino area, the Ukrainian army today launched an offensive with 110 tanks and armored vehicles at 3 different points in two waves. They also attacked with 30 vehicles in the Novoselovka area. Almost half of the group of 110 vehicles was destroyed or disabled. Almost the entire strike group was destroyed in the Novoselovka area. The Ukrainian army sends new reinforcements and tries to advance. Before the vehicles reached the minefields, Russian artillery and Ka-52 combat helicopters began firing at them. After entering the minefields, FPV drones, ATGM crews and Russian tanks also entered the battle. Russian planes are also trying to block the flow of reinforcements, inflicting gliding strikes on the Orekhovsky and Gulyai-Pole regions.

https://t.me/infantmilitario/103719"

The question to be asked is, of course, what's the end point of this? At the rate at which the nazis are sacrificing troops and armour, even if they did break through to the Sea of Azov, they wouldn't have any forces left to even secure the flanks of their advance, let alone expand it. No sane general can believe otherwise. So what exactly is the point? Even Ukranazistan's Western owners are running out of weapons to send, so a "victory" wouldn't necessarily mean more donations.

Is it just to keep killing Ukrainians so as to get one Russian killed for every 20 or 30 Ukrainians like now? If not that, then what?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 26 2023 15:32 utc | 11

Motto, don’t send a brigade to do a division’s work.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 26 2023 15:35 utc | 12

@4 young: "The USA and its NATO vassals will shift to another strategy to take Russia down."

Moving to the Black Sea, do you think? See https://consortiumnews.com/2023/07/24/nato-the-perilous-black-sea/ Alexander Mercouris has also indicated Russia canceled the wheat deal due to disguised vessels carrying military equipment.

Posted by: botete | Jul 26 2023 15:38 utc | 13

@Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 26 2023 15:32 utc | 11

Is it just to keep killing Ukrainians so as to get one Russian killed for every 20 or 30 Ukrainians like now? If not that, then what?
It is a form of genocide, the point is to empty the area of its people. Somebody wants "lebensraum".

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 15:49 utc | 14

james | Jul 26 2023 14:49 utc | 2

End game or the wider war Russia is preparing for? Starting to look like the revived Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth are the next proxies to be fed into the fire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2023 15:52 utc | 15

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2023 15:52 utc | 15

yes... wider war.. i can't see nato and friends backing down.. i wish i could...

Posted by: james | Jul 26 2023 15:54 utc | 16

@Oui

"Senior British military officials dismiss claims in leaked report by Bundeswehr because they just don't ‘ring true’."

That is obvious.
They had western NATO training for a decade and are directed and led by NATO.
The fact it was a German 'leak' says enough.

They need an excuse for their Leopards being blown up everywhere.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Jul 26 2023 15:58 utc | 17

If the Poles and the Balts lead with an air attack, they will lose their combined air force in about 3 days.

It would also allow RF to bomb their airfields as a defence.

It would also allow the RF to attack and destroy the piles of Ukraine bound kit waiting at Northern Polish ports.

In other words - a crazy idea.

I hope this is just a NATO feint, while they consider their options.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 26 2023 15:59 utc | 18

Please have a look here:

https://rutube.ru/video/544dfa2f3e0d8214029a371843049f39/

When? Where? How?

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 26 2023 16:04 utc | 19

The US has a shockingly poor historical record of failure, incompetence and stupidity in planning and executing assaults on prepared defense line fortified in depth with minefields, obstacles, and bunkers/fortified fighting positions.

The last time the US initiated such an assault was in September 1944 when it tried to breakthrough Germany's Westwall/Siegfried Line by attacking through the Huertgen Forest. Three months of bloody failure costing tens of thousands of casualties:

"In the previous three months of battle, five U.S. infantry divisions, the 1st, 4th, 8th, 9th and 28th, plus the 5th Armored Division, had fought full-scale engagements in the Huertgen. Together with support troops and the 2nd Rangers, they represented a force of 120,000 American soldiers. Of that number 24,000 were killed, wounded, reported missing or captured. Another 9,000 fell victim to the diseases of the forest – pneumonia, trenchfoot and “combat fatigue.” The total was an appalling 33,000, a loss of more than a quarter of the divisions’ effectives – even more terrible when one considers that many of that original 120,000 never actually saw the frontline as did the infantry, tankers and combat engineers. In terms of fighting men the percentage might well have been as high as fifty percent. Was it worth it, one might ask. To British General H. Essame, who fought throughout the campaign himself from D-Day onward as an infantry brigadier, it was an enigma “why Bradley chose to make his main effort in the shambles of the Huertgen Forest instead of over the easier going on the Ninth Army’s front… Better still, he could have attacked through the Ardennes to the immediate south where the Germans were known to be in no great strength.” It was a conclusion shared by Infantry Captain and future historian Charles MacDonald, whose 2nd Infantry Division would soon take part in the last battle for the Huertgen: “Those in the Huertgen Forest fought a misconceived and basically fruitless battle that could have, and should have, been avoided. This is the real tragedy of the battle of the Huertgen Forest.”

Whiting, Charles. Siegfried: The Nazi's Last Stand . Bookzat Publishing Ltd. Kindle Edition.

The overall cost of the Siegfried Line Campaign, in US personnel, was close to 140,000. In addition, there were Canadian, British and French casualties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Line

It took from Sept 44 to March 45 to completely penetrate the Westwall, and that was with overwhelmimg air superiority, and significant artillery superiority.

So, in 1944/45 it took the current core NATO countries, with all their then advantages and superiority, six months to crack the Westwall, yet these feckers have the gall to complain the Ukrainians, with essentially zero air power and huge artillery inferiority, are "too slow"?

Posted by: ltexpat | Jul 26 2023 16:08 utc | 20

@libegafra | Jul 26 2023 16:04 utc | 19

Please have a look here:

https://rutube.ru/video/544dfa2f3e0d8214029a371843049f39/

When? Where? How?

White flags?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 16:09 utc | 21

Reply to Jörgen Hassler 8
"This will go down in history as the all time high of military stupidity."

Cannons to the right of them
Cannons to the left of them
Cannons in front of them
volleyed and thundered.

Stormed at with shot and shell
While horse and hero fell...

And all the world wondered.

Posted by: Long John Argent | Jul 26 2023 16:10 utc | 22

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Jul 26 2023 15:58 utc | 17

It was 100 % Nato trained, Nato armed, Nato strategy, Nato doctrine, 100% Nato everything attack. There can be no mistake about it.

Everyone understands that simply acknowledging the fact could easily cause Nato to fall apart and cause massive losses to the US MIC complex. Therefore BS obscuration is employed.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2023 16:13 utc | 23

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jul 26 2023 15:22 utc | 8

It reminds me of the Polacks in WWI or WWII when they rode up on enemy machine gun positions on horseback and carrying pitchforks and sabres.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 26 2023 16:14 utc | 24

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56812

🇷🇺… A bill has been submitted to the State Duma to repeal the decree on Russia's membership in the IMF. Participation in the IMF obliges a country to pursue a monetary policy that deprives it of monetary autonomy, the accompanying documents explain. Note: even interesting. The old Slavic giant has started dropping its chains..... we'll see!

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56818

🇺🇸#chips

Labor shortage.

A study prepared by the Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA) and Oxford Economics reports... by 2030, the U.S. will be short 67,000 chip manufacturing workers. The chip industry's labor force is projected to grow to 460,000 by the end of the decade, up from about 345,000 this year. At the current rate of people graduating from school, the U.S. will not produce enough skilled workers to make up for this increase.

Recall that the US has big $39 billion subsidies coming for new manufacturing sites and microchip research and development. Companies such as Intel Corp, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd and Samsung Electronics Co Ltd have said they will apply for them. The law also provides a 25 percent investment tax credit for new chip plants worth $24 billion. These plants will create jobs, SIA said. Projected shortages include computer scientists, engineers and technicians. About half of future jobs in the chip industry will be engineers.

Expect a worldwide vacuum of engineers. …

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 26 2023 16:15 utc | 25

Response to the question upthread asking who is ordering Ukrainian troops to conduct suicide missions:

"Forward", he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
The general sat and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side" ~~~ Pink Floyd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoLhKJuGhK0

Posted by: bill wolfe | Jul 26 2023 16:18 utc | 26

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 16:09 utc | 21

It looks like an exchange of prisoners.

Which kind of vehicles are those?

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 26 2023 16:18 utc | 27

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 26 2023 15:30 utc | 10

They are in full on improvisation mode.

This is the first time this really feels like reality. The offensive is obviously kaput, morale is in the gutter, the bags under Zelenski's eyes are as big as deflated kiddie pools. I think the neocon cabal really thought they had a grand slam lined up after Maidan and sleepwalking into the Donetsk/Luhansk aggression.

Although, you can never count these psychos out.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 26 2023 16:19 utc | 28

@libegafra | Jul 26 2023 16:04 utc | 19

I'd like to have seen a close-up on that video.

If real, then very wise.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 26 2023 16:21 utc | 29

re: Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 26 2023 16:15 utc | 25

I have posed this question elsewhere but have yet to receive a satisfactory answer: How are chip fabrication factories to operate under Net Zero energy regimes? these factories require reliable 24 hour energy supply. Blackouts are not an option.

Posted by: El Oso de Los Llanos | Jul 26 2023 16:21 utc | 30

"🇷🇺… A bill has been submitted to the State Duma to repeal the decree on Russia's membership in the IMF. "

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 26 2023 16:15 utc | 25

A bill submitted by the RFCP...

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 26 2023 16:21 utc | 31

We'll have to see if this push into Robotyne holds up.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 26 2023 15:32 utc | 11

Is it just to keep killing Ukrainians so as to get one Russian killed for every 20 or 30 Ukrainians like now? If not that, then what?

Where are getting these numbers? I heard instead that Russian KIA's have been at 15,000 a month, a ratio of 5-8 Russian deaths for every Ukrainian death. The Russian KIA number is spiking now because of their attempt to reach the Luhansk Oblast border up in the NorthEast.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:22 utc | 32

Reposted from previous thread because I simply can't believe what William Gruff is posting/claiming about the situation from 2015-22.

Re: Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 26 2023 10:42 utc | 262

Why? Because the Russians didn't want more territory. Not even the Donbass republics. The Russians then still believed that the NAFO-Nazi cancer metastasizing in the Ukraine could be cured and the Ukraine could be kept whole and made healthy again.

Then why the change in 2022? Because by then the Russians were starting to realize they didn't have a choice. The Russians held out hope the West would come to their senses and back off in the Ukraine, and so the Russians failed to properly mobilize for the inevitable war. Meanwhile the Ukraine had been beefed up as much as the West could manage since Minsk II was signed and was much stronger. The Russians simply didn't have the troops to properly defend the Donbass republics from the coming Nazi attack since most forces available to the Russians were conscripts who could not legally be used outside the borders of the Russian Federation. The quick and dirty solution to this problem was to move the borders of the Russian Federation.

So you see, Russia incorporating the oblasts in the Federation was an emergency measure that allowed them to bring more forces to bear against the Nazis. Had this expansion been their goal and intention then they could have done it in 2015 with greater ease and less destruction and bloodshed. The fact they didn't pursue this incorporation in 2015 and only considered it after the Nazis had begun their attack is proof the Russians were dragging their feet and only reacting to events rather then driving those events.

And the Russians will continue to only react to events... all the way to the Polish border. They have no choice at this point as the Nazi cancer has spread too deep in the Ukraine.

The way you write this it seems to be that you think the Russians are stupid/naive.

Do you really think - as you say - the Russians had no idea what was going on over the border in Ukraine for 6-7 years? They had no idea Ukraine was rebuilding it's forces for an attack on Donbas - THE UKRAINIAN POLITICIANS KEPT SAYING THEY WOULD RETAKE DONBAS & CRIMEA OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN - IT WAS CERTAINLY NO SECRET TO ANYONE - EVEN PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD.

The Ukrainian attack on Donbas/Crimea was clearly telegraphed for years and here you are claiming the Russians thought they had the Ukraine situation in hand and were playing 55D Chess to remove the threat from Ukraine from signing useless agreements and having pointless negotiations.

Do you really think the Russians are that stupid? Because what you are saying sure sounds like it.

Then why the change in 2022? Because by then the Russians were starting to realize they didn't have a choice. The Russians held out hope the West would come to their senses and back off in the Ukraine, and so the Russians failed to properly mobilize for the inevitable war. Meanwhile the Ukraine had been beefed up as much as the West could manage since Minsk II was signed and was much stronger.

The really strange thing about what you say is that until 2022 the Russians thought they could convince Ukraine not to do anything - while also acknowledging Ukraine was "beefing up" it's armed forces as much as possible - for what purpose?!? To carry out the stated policies of retaking Donbas & Crimea!

This was incredibly obvious for years and yet you claim - apparently with a straight face - that the Russians didn't realise this was inevitable until 2022!

Your theory defies belief. You can't possibly believe what you've said can you?

Posted by: Julian | Jul 26 2023 16:23 utc | 33

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jul 26 2023 15:22 utc | 8

I don’t know what levels of institutional competence you have in your country, but here in the UK we are reminded on a daily basis that ours are, quite simply, childlike. The latest evidence, the head of one of the world’s largest banks (NatWest) disclosing private financial information, wrong as it happened, to a ‘friendly’ journalist about why an account was shutdown. Worse, a parent bank Coutts tried to justify the closure by writing a childishly phrased, defamatory dossier using material that had already been ruled as libellous! They finally had to admit the account was cancelled because the holders views did not align with the banks, not due to any illegality. As a result of the publicity, tens of thousands of ex-account holders have now come forward and told of similar treatment, saying they remained silent for fear of repercussions on their family and themselves! WTF! This country is 180 degrees from the one I immigrated to.

As someone said of the progressives: they take over institutions, hollow them out, parade around wearing the skin-suit, and demand everyone should show them same deference and respect the the original’s were accorded.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 26 2023 16:26 utc | 34

Soviet radio-controlled aerial munition, SV-1, under the wing of a Tu-2. Remind you of anything?
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56727

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 16:27 utc | 35

Where are getting these numbers? I heard instead that Russian KIA's have been at 15,000 a month, a ratio of 5-8 Russian deaths for every Ukrainian death. The Russian KIA number is spiking now because of their attempt to reach the Luhansk Oblast border up in the NorthEast.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:22 utc | 32

Where did you hear that? The Tooth fairy?

I heard instead that superior RU forces in the NorthEast are swatting around hasty AFU counterattacks left and right.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2023 16:28 utc | 36

> Yesterday they made another reconnaissance attack on Robotyne, south of Orkiv.
The name of village is Rabotino, and the name of town is Orehov.
Oreh/orah means walnut or nut in pretty much all Slavic languages. '-ov' is just a possessive suffix in masculine gender, singular, nominative case.

Posted by: hopehely | Jul 26 2023 16:29 utc | 37

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:22 utc | 32

Listening to western corrupt msm is very bad for one's mental health.

Beware the cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 26 2023 16:33 utc | 38

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2023 16:28 utc | 36

I heard instead that superior RU forces in the NorthEast are swatting around hasty AFU counterattacks left and right.

Reportedly, Russians seized three small villages yesterday and moved a few km west. but they're facing a defense line of Ukrainian villages along the Luhansk border.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:34 utc | 39

Inkan1969 has a direct feed from the 101st Chairborne channel.

Posted by: qparker | Jul 26 2023 16:36 utc | 40

It is a form of genocide, the point is to empty the area of its people. Somebody wants "lebensraum".

This line of thinking has always intrigued me by the degree of mental stunting required to reach this conclusion.

Only one power is going to be in Ukraine after the war, and that is Russia. So you're saying Russia's plan is to genocide Ukrainians? Or someone wants to hand an empty Ukraine to Russia for reasons best known to themselves?

Or is there a mystery army waiting in the wings to drive out Russia when the bodycount gets high enough? Then the locality will be peacefully colonised by...?

On what planet did this even begin to make sense?

Posted by: Due West | Jul 26 2023 16:37 utc | 41

As long as the Ukie field commanders are getting their cash pay/bonuse$ form their western neoCon paymasters they will continue to send souls to the meat grinder.

Posted by: expat444 | Jul 26 2023 16:39 utc | 42

libegafra @ 38

Beware the cognitive dissonance.

What if cognitive dissonance is your entire formation and all you have holding you together?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 26 2023 16:39 utc | 43

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 15:49 utc | 14

It is a form of genocide, the point is to empty the area of its people. Somebody wants "lebensraum".

What's the Russian policy then? It's SOP to send scores of troops as just cannon fodder to use up enemy resources. So that's so many people whose purpose is only to get killed in large numbers.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:40 utc | 44

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:22 utc | 32


a ratio of 5-8 Russian deaths for every Ukrainian death. The Russian KIA number is spiking now because of their attempt to reach the Luhansk Oblast border up in the NorthEast.

Let me guess, your primary sources are Denys Davydov , Oryx and Jake Broe, right?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 26 2023 16:42 utc | 45

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 26 2023 16:39 utc | 43


What if cognitive dissonance is your entire formation and all you have holding you together?

Then you turn into a neocon.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 26 2023 16:43 utc | 46

Posted by: qparker | Jul 26 2023 16:36 utc | 40

Inkan1969 has a direct feed from the 101st Chairborne channel.

101st. Chairborne - "Term referring to bloggers, generally right-wing, who enthusiastically support war, destruction, and mayhem from the safety of their home."

All the right-wing bloggers I've encountered have been firmly on Putin's side calling for an immediate Ukrainian surrender. And how many of the pro-Putin bloggers on Telegram belong to the 101?

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:45 utc | 47

Upon reviewing the lancet videos, it seems the new three winged type lancet is in action, it seems to move faster and maybe more accurate? It's hard to tell.

Russian optics seem to be getting better all the time too. The over head watching/targeting drones seem zeroed in good.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 26 2023 16:47 utc | 48

@44 Inkan1969
Russia is continuing to go hard when the going is good and falling back or beefing up reserves when hitting resistance. A good site to it all in it's mind-boggling efficiency is Warnews247. They are not so pro-Russian so when things get tough for RF army they show/tell you. The Northeast is going swimmingly for Russia by the way.

Posted by: safe | Jul 26 2023 16:47 utc | 49

I just skimmed Reuters online and there is NOT a mention of Ukraine on the main page.....Hmmmm

Maybe things are going so well that they can't report them /s

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 26 2023 16:47 utc | 50

Gentlemen, our press is full of news about major UKR breaktrough at Staromayorsk. Any info on that?

Posted by: DeChristo | Jul 26 2023 16:48 utc | 51

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 26 2023 16:42 utc | 45

Let me guess, your primary sources are Denys Davydov , Oryx and Jake Broe, right?

Davydov's most recent post went over those Russian advances to the border referred to by unimperator. He sounded concerned about Russia's ability to succeed here, as he had in previous videos about Russia's advance in the region between Adviika and Lyman. Whatever personal biasas Davydov has, he sounds more credible then, say, conspiracy theories about a new Khazar empire.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:50 utc | 52

It's SOP to send scores of troops as just cannon fodder to use up enemy resources. So that's so many people whose purpose is only to get killed in large numbers.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:40 utc | 44

The TrollTeam SOP of accusing the other side of what your tactics are is old and tired at this point.

Posted by: qparker | Jul 26 2023 16:50 utc | 53

@Due West | Jul 26 2023 16:37 utc | 41

On what planet did this even begin to make sense?
Who said it was rational? The killing is happening, isn't it?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 16:51 utc | 54

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 26 2023 16:47 utc | 50

There's no time for Ukraine, Reuters needs to celebrate the legal victories of notorious Hollywood pedophiles!

Posted by: warxism | Jul 26 2023 16:51 utc | 55

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 26 2023 16:43 utc | 46

"What if cognitive dissonance is your entire formation and all you have holding you together?"

Then you turn into a neocon.

Or a "Trump won the 2020 election" conspiracy theorist...

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:53 utc | 56

@Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:40 utc | 44

What's the Russian policy then?
Defend against the insane and irrational attacks?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 16:53 utc | 57

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 16:40 utc | 44
AFU has next to 0 artillery in the NorthEast. Therefore, they have little to do damage against RU force there, which has overwhelming advantage in every area.

Lots of missile attacks right now.


⚡️More than 50 missiles in ukrainian airspace.
The missiles continue to come in through the north and east. Missiles maneuver misleading air defenses.
https://t.me/remylind21/5829

Explosions in Dnipro and Kirowohrad regions.
https://t.me/remylind21/5830
https://t.me/remylind21/5836

Missiles flying towards Ternopil and Lvov.
https://t.me/remylind21/5839

Khmelnytsky another series of explosions.
https://t.me/remylind21/5840

X-101 before hitting an object in the Khmelnitsky area.
https://t.me/remylind21/5841

Another series of explosions occurred in the Khmelnytsky region.

Lvov region: Powerful explosions.

Our missiles continue to maneuver. Bypass air defenses, turn 180 degrees.

Possible Kinzhal towards Kiev!

Explosions in Zhytomyr.

⚡️ They report an attack on the Starokonstantinov airfield in the Khmelnytsky region.

According to Ukrainian monitoring channels, at least three arrivals were recorded in the area of ​​the military airfield. It is known that Su-24MR aircraft of the 7th tactical aviation brigade of the Ukrainian Air Force were previously based at this airfield. With their help, the Armed Forces of Ukraine used Storm Shadow cruise missiles.

Air attack continues with Mig31K in air too, possible Kinzhal strikes.

Kirovohrad airfield was also hit.

Powerful explosions in Sumy.

Missiles towards Kiev.

Zhytomyr explosions

Missiles are returning from the Khmelnytskyi region towards Vinnytsia.

The fourth series of arrivals in the Khmelnitsky region.

The Turks write that the targets of today's
strikes were "underground NATO command centers, Ukrainian headquarters and underground arsenals. Big losses are inevitable
https://t.me/llordofwar/179763

Iskander launches from the northern direction have been detected.

Sounds like ass-whooping day for Nato.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2023 16:54 utc | 58

Posted by: DeChristo | Jul 26 2023 16:48 utc | 51

https://censor.net/en/video_news/3433548/sof_fighters_captured_enemy_position_in_staromayorske_and_captured_two_occupants_video

This is all I could find. Seems far from a "major" breakthrough and more like they managed to capture a handful of guys.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 26 2023 16:55 utc | 59

Neofeudalfuture | Jul 26 2023 16:47 utc | 48

The Russian thermal optics seem to have exceptional clarity as well as any heat signature standing out like a beacon. Possibly it is because of the lower ambient temperature in Ukraine but the Russia thermal optics appear better than US equivalents.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2023 16:57 utc | 60

Posted by: Milites | Jul 26 2023 16:26 utc | 34

We have similar problems in Sweden. The other day I read about a family living close to a military training ground. Since the conflict started training has intensified, and noise from artillery has become a problem.
So they sought permission to rase the house and build a new one with better noise insulation. The answer from the building board was that they could issue a building permission because of the area is to noisy…

But this is a bit different. If you charge again and again and the only result is that your men are killed and your equipment blown up you stop. This isn’t only stupid and inhumane, it’s even bad propaganda.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jul 26 2023 16:58 utc | 61

@qparker 53

Quite so. Also tiresome is the emotional response to what should be a data based analysis of events.

Plus @inkan

Trump totally won 2020.

TRUMP 2024

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 26 2023 16:59 utc | 62

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2023 16:54 utc | 58

Sounds like ass-whooping day for Nato.

If you believe Telegram posts, which are probably as reliable as tweets on "X".

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 17:00 utc | 63

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 16:51 utc | 54
> Who said it was rational? The killing is happening, isn't it?
Yes, but only on battlefields.
Since when killings combatants on battlefields count as genocide?

Posted by: hopehely | Jul 26 2023 17:01 utc | 64

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 26 2023 16:59 utc | 62

Quite so. Also tiresome is the emotional response to what should be a data based analysis of events.

Plus @inkan

Trump totally won 2020.

TRUMP 2024

But that depends on having accurate data. Otherwise, all the scenarios you spin are garbage in/garbage out, just like "Trump won in 2020" claims. Unless you were being sarcastic there.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 17:02 utc | 65

Since when killings combatants on battlefields count as genocide?

Posted by: hopehely | Jul 26 2023 17:01 utc

When many of those combatants are forced conscripts from the civilian population.

Posted by: norecovery | Jul 26 2023 17:04 utc | 66

Julian @33

Like the individual I was responding to in that post, you are an idiot. Unlike some people, I do not have a problem informing idiots of their cognitive deficit. Others, however, go to great lengths to overlook the flaws and frailties of those they interact with. Others will even go to such polite and politically correct extremes as to refer to violently aggressive enemies as "partners". Some, when in the presence of a NAziFaggOt babbling nonsense, will politely turn away and not process the ignorant fool's shameful utterances. It will be as if they do not hear that crazy freak at all.

This polite and diplomatic behavior isn't actually stupid. In fact, being able to deliberately not see infantile and asinine behavior is increasingly necessary to maintain any functionality in western (or westernizing, as is the case with the Ukraine) cultures as they circle the drain. It is just like how nobody reacts when they see you walking down the street wearing your furry wolf-kin fursuit.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 26 2023 17:04 utc | 67

@norecovery | Jul 26 2023 17:04 utc | 66

Exactly

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 17:07 utc | 68

With the "last big chance" offensive failing people like The Duran and others are asking each other why continue this hopeless effort that the West still pretends has a chance. People are horrified at the losses Ukraine suffers and cannot understand that no one is able to stop it.

Here is one possible explanation for the stubbornness we are witnessing.

People have suggested many times that the regimes the US political elite installs and/or supports in other countries consist of the worst elements of these societies. They are usually promised refuge in the West if the things do not work out. Having no scruples whatsoever, they must do what they are ordered to do, as long as their masters need them to do it, if they hope to escape the wrath of their compatriots or the winners in their conflicts. Ukrainian leadership, installed from the outside, is already famous for its corruption. They cannot fold without a word from their masters, because they will receive no protection. The West does not know how to disengage without horrible consequences, so the show goes on.

Posted by: Pagan | Jul 26 2023 17:08 utc | 69

This Inkan troll is DEFINITELY paid misdirection for this site. The "team" he is working with are just taking time for studied analysis away from the thread, this causes more waffling among those having to continually discredit his feeble efforts.

Posted by: safe | Jul 26 2023 17:09 utc | 70

[email protected] of course Trump didn't win, Biden was selected......you really believe voting makes a difference and vote counting is done honestly?

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 26 2023 17:10 utc | 71

BTW:

Posted by: safe | Jul 26 2023 17:09 utc | 70

This Inkan troll is DEFINITELY paid misdirection for this site.

Nobody pays me to post. I have no "team". I've been posting here since 2007. I think that's when Ariel Sharon had his huge stroke. That's when I first heard of this website while on Daily Kos. I remember Uncle Scam and Debs is Dead posting at the time I started, but the former has disappeared while the latter posts very rarely now.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 17:11 utc | 72

Bakhmut prisoner exchange

Please have a look here:

https://rutube.ru/video/544dfa2f3e0d8214029a371843049f39/

When? Where? How?

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 26 2023 16:04 utc | 19

A dozen unarmed, turretless BMPs meet somewhere on a stretch of road. A hundred prisoners change sides. The RuTube video has no description. The same video was shared on Twitter by @konecna_romana. @chris__759 provides an explanation:

This should be the prisoner exchange of wagner and UA, between Bakhmut and Ivanivske after the battle of Bakhmut.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 26 2023 17:12 utc | 73

Enemy losses as of 12 hours:
21 tanks, 10 infantry fighting vehicles, and 1 combat vehicle were destroyed
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56827

This is by far the most massive defeat of AFU armor til now
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56828

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 17:13 utc | 74

Enemy losses as of 12 hours:
21 tanks, 10 infantry fighting vehicles, and 1 combat vehicle were destroyed
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56827

This is by far the most massive defeat of AFU armor til now
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56828

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 17:13 utc | 75

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 26 2023 17:12 utc | 73

Thanks!

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 26 2023 17:17 utc | 76

Your theory defies belief. You can't possibly believe what you've said can you?

Posted by: Julian | Jul 26 2023 16:23 utc | 33

With the exception of Gruff's 'conscription' theory, what he writes is very likely to be true. Never underestimate the irrationality of states run in the way that Russia is and was in 2014. The history of President Putin's rule is one of optimism and trust in the good faith of the US. It comes with acceptance of the capitalist system.
He was quite right to note, what few remember, that the Ukrainians were close to being totally defeated by the Peoples Republics, before their western allies stepped in and conned Russia into buying the Minsk accords.

Due West@41
You are right. Many who post here have cobbled together weird theories involving secret campaigns to wipe out populations, that between war, disease and famine are always liable to be reduced in the course of events.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 26 2023 17:20 utc | 77

El So @30. They can't and won't. No amount of solar or wind could even produce enough power to replicate itself.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 26 2023 17:20 utc | 78

With Biden's official promotion to number two banana (under SoS Blinken), what more can Victoria Nuland do other than collect a bigger paycheck?

She has obviously been very active in meat grinder war strategy.

Perhaps meaner and more doggedly determined than Blinken. Perhaps even a greater, stronger influence on Biden. (Why no pics of Biden sniffing her hair?).

What will Nudleman do now - that she hasn't done already?

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jul 26 2023 17:20 utc | 79

@inkan

I try to apply the scientific method to my research into this war. If I'm wrong I'm happy to discard my theory.

Also the troll thing is one of those things (emotional) things people do here when they hear things they don't like. So fuck that you do you. I've received similar treatment and I would love to get paid here lol.

So one thing I do is count names and keep track of what the latest aid package contains, and their frequency and size. It should correlate to battle losses and needs. Also keeping track of unit names let's one track their movements and whether they've been pulled back due to losses. So if the 47th mechanized brigade stops being mentioned, it's been pulled back, for instance.

Same thing with russian mod reports. Maybe the raw numbers are wrong, but relative number correlated with other Ukrainian propaganda reveals some interesting leads.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 26 2023 17:21 utc | 80

[email protected] it's disproportionate slaughter....fuck I hate movies but there is a line from Gibson in The Patriot where he tells his men not to shoot at the enlisted men but to directly target the officers.

In Theatre one is not supposed to acknowledge an officer, ie. salute, it make him and those around him major targets.

Today I read RF is targeting places all over the Ukraine, and some targets being NATO control centres. Those are slow moving targets being hit a year and a half in.

Any grunts out there, who've dug their own grave, er, trench, gotta feel for those guys regardless of which side they are from......pure wanton slaughter.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 26 2023 17:27 utc | 81

Posted by: norecovery | Jul 26 2023 17:04 utc | 66
> When many of those combatants are forced conscripts from the civilian population.
This is basically what Budapest is accusing Kiev about Transcarpathian Hungarians.
But I disagree. Nobody can force anyone to take weapons in his hands.
And also, once a weapon and live ammunition is in one's hands it is up to him who will use it against.

Posted by: hopehely | Jul 26 2023 17:29 utc | 82

Posted by: hopehely | Jul 26 2023 17:01 utc | 64

Since when killings combatants on battlefields count as genocide?

"Genocide" is quickly becoming one of those words that has lost all meaning in the 21st Century. Only in our insane and totally unmoored MSM-shaped discourse can people confidently equate the termination of Ukronazis with Israel's treatment of Palestinians or anything else that actually qualifies.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 26 2023 17:34 utc | 83

Regarding the possible kill ratio of 5-8 Russians per Ukrainian, it's hard to really know yet, I suppose. But as an amateur, I have to wonder why the "winners" are leaving so many vehicles on the battlefield. Perhaps they celebrated a bit too hard and forgot where they parked them?

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Jul 26 2023 17:38 utc | 84

@warxism | Jul 26 2023 17:34 utc | 83

As before, it is the Nazis in Ukraine and further west that are guilty of genocide.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 17:40 utc | 85

@ libegafra | Jul 26 2023 16:04 utc | 19

good video.. good question... i wonder if anyone can figure it out...

@ Inkan1969 | Jul 26 2023 17:11 utc | 72

what's your game? you really believe the stupidity you post, or just like playing devils advocate? thanks..

Posted by: james | Jul 26 2023 17:45 utc | 86

Lots of videos on Telegram showing missiles flying west, multiple targets.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 17:45 utc | 87

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 17:40 utc | 85

Indeed. And they've managed to turn the term into a billy club as with all else their ideology has managed to covertly assimilate right in everyone's faces.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 26 2023 17:46 utc | 88

"covertly" should have ten thousand quotations around it, oops.

Posted by: warxism | Jul 26 2023 17:47 utc | 89

Big loses for the Nazi's today.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 26 2023 17:53 utc | 90

@ Due West 41
"It is a form of genocide, the point is to empty the area of its people. Somebody wants "lebensraum"."

This line of thinking has always intrigued me by the degree of mental stunting required to reach this conclusion.

Only one power is going to be in Ukraine after the war, and that is Russia. So you're saying Russia's plan is to genocide Ukrainians? Or someone wants to hand an empty Ukraine to Russia for reasons best known to themselves?

Or is there a mystery army waiting in the wings to drive out Russia when the bodycount gets high enough? Then the locality will be peacefully colonised by...?

On what planet did this even begin to make sense?

You need to google the Chabad Lubavitcher organization and their "Heavenly Jerusalem" project which is a plan to take most of Ukrainae for a new Jewish homeland after they get kicked out of Israel. This has been written about in several Israeli sources, including the English language newspaper Haaretz.


But because you wrote This line of thinking, I believe you already know what's up, that people are talking sh*t about Zionism - and you don't like it. Some people will wake up, but you are probably only pretending to be asleep.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Jul 26 2023 18:05 utc | 91

In Western Ukraine, 3 military airfields were hit.
Now there are still arrivals in the Sumy region and in the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration.
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/4497

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 18:15 utc | 92

Artemovsk direction, Southern flank

Klescheyevka: our Heroes defended the village and today held counterattacks and knocked out all enemy units outside the village border.The village is under our control!!!!

Heroes!!!

#source (https://t.me/rezervsvo/22435)

@Slavyangrad

This is very serious for AFU as it was their only and most promising success amid two large offensive operations. And RU is bringing more cluster shells to bear in this area and Soledar.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2023 18:20 utc | 93

When many of those combatants are forced conscripts from the civilian population.

Posted by: norecovery | Jul 26 2023 17:04 utc | 66

If you want government then the government owns you. They can do what they want with you.

Like the several hundred million killed by governments of the world in the 20th century.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Jul 26 2023 18:22 utc | 94

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 18:15 utc | 92

Playing whack-a-mole with the Stormshadow carrying Su-24’s, probably, or trying to take out their critical infrastructure.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 26 2023 18:28 utc | 95

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2023 18:20 utc | 93

This battleground has all the trappings to become a mini-Ponyri.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 26 2023 18:30 utc | 96

I can see a simple reason why Russia would not want large areas of Ukraine. There are estimates it would take centuries to get rid of all of the mines and munitions lying about. Deadly, time and resource consuming activity.

Reply to 91

I don't see why Zionists would have any great interest in moving away from Israel to Ukraine. As it is, with some patience, they will dominate Israel completely in time because they out birth the secular Israelis. It's just a matter of births and numbers of voters - who will transform Israel into an ultra Orthodox theocracy.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 26 2023 18:30 utc | 97

Is it just to keep killing Ukrainians so as to get one Russian killed for every 20 or 30 Ukrainians like now? If not that, then what?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 26 2023 15:32 utc | 11

The ucrainian population is protecting the goverment (Zelensky and Co.) from the consequences of their doing and are the human resources for US politics at the same time.

Posted by: 600w | Jul 26 2023 18:32 utc | 98

@Milites | Jul 26 2023 18:28 utc | 95

That is what some reports say, seems plausible.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2023 18:33 utc | 99

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Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 26 2023 18:49 utc | 100

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