Bashing China Has Replaced The Diplomatic Dialogue
Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen is currently in China where she does her best to further piss off her host.
Yellen, in Beijing, Criticizes China’s Treatment of U.S. Companies - NY Times, Jul 7, 2023
The concerns of Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen reflect continuing tensions between the two countries.
Yellen Urges China to Step Up Climate Finance Investments - NY Times, Jul 7, 2023
Janet Yellen, the Treasury secretary, said China, the largest emitter of greenhouse gases, can have “greater impact” tackling climate change by working with other nations.
Washington Raises Pressure on China to Combat U.S.’s Fentanyl Crisis - NY Times, Jul 7, 2023
The general attitude of the U.S. is that it can harass China with whatever it likes under its 'national security' mantle while it has a right to expect China to cooperate in other fields. It is a 'don't look at what we do but at what we say' policy.
This anecdote from the last link explains it well:
During the Blinken visit, the secretary told reporters that the two countries had agreed to “explore setting up a working group or joint effort” to combat fentanyl trafficking. But any prospects for cooperation faded just days later when U.S. federal prosecutors announced the indictment of four Chinese companies accused of trafficking chemicals used by Mexican drug cartels to manufacture vast quantities of fentanyl sold in the United States.
China can easily deflect these accusations. Citing the Cocaine find in the White House it underlines that the failure of U.S. internal drug policies has nothing to do with China:
‘White lines’ in the House: Can the US ever eliminate its drug epidemic? - Global Times, Jul 6 2023
The presence of drugs in the White House serves as a perfect example of the inability of the US, as a drug-infested nation, to manage illegal substances effectively. Apart from showing a sense of embarrassment, Biden's mysterious smile probably also proved how resignedly Biden is in the face of the drug epidemic in the country. With illegal substances infiltrating the White House and US presidents setting an example as drug users, one wonders if the US can ever truly eradicate its drug crisis.
China is ready to cooperate but the way the U.S. behaves makes it impossible. If you sit in a glasshouse and throw stones don't be surprised when other will point this out.
China urges US to create conditions for counter-narcotics cooperation - Global Times, Jul 7, 2023
Analysts said that public data shows that the US population accounts for only 5 percent of the global population, but consumes 80 percent of the world's opioid, and the US has not permanently scheduled fentanyl-related substances as a class yet. In May 2019, China took the lead in the world by scheduling fentanyl-related substances as a class, effectively curbing the flow of these scheduled chemicals into illicit drug production channels through international trade and contributing to the prevention of trafficking and drug abuse.
At Naked Capitalism Richard Wolff is pointing to a major problem with accusing China of this or that.
It’s Hard for Americans to Engage in China-Bashing Without Tripping on Contradictions
The contradictions of China-bashing in the United States begin with how often it is flat-out untrue. The Wall Street Journal reports that the “Chinese spy” balloon that President Joe Biden shot down with immense patriotic fanfare in February 2023 did not in fact transmit pictures or anything else to China. White House economists have been trying to excuse persistent U.S. inflation saying it is a global problem and inflation is worse elsewhere in the world. China’s inflation rate is 0.7 percent year-on-year. Financial media outlets stress how China’s GDP growth rate is lower than it used to be. China now estimates that its 2023 GDP growth will be 5 to 5.5 percent. Estimates for the U.S. GDP growth rate in 2023, meanwhile, vacillate around 1 to 2 percent.
China-bashing has intensified into denial and self-delusion—it is akin to pretending that the United States did not lose wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and more. ...
Stephen Roach fears correctly that the way the U.S. currently handles China will only make things worse:
In a three-hour meeting in Bali last November, Presidents Biden and Xi agreed on the broad parameters of what to do — namely, to put on a floor on this worrisome deterioration. The recent diplomatic flurry can be thought of in that light — restarting a dialogue with the sole intent of limiting any further damage. That took a while, but diplomatic reengagement is now under way.
But then what? The image of a floor speaks to the minimum that both leaders expect from each other as responsible stewards of a fragile world. Yet with the impacts of additional tough actions likely to come in the next few weeks and months — namely, further tech sanctions, widely telegraphed restrictions on outbound US foreign direct investment into China, and Chinese tit-for-tat actions on selected rare earth exports — there is no guarantee that the newly established floor will be strong enough to withstand additional blows.
Without reinforcement, this floor could turn out to be surprisingly shaky. ...
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The diplomats are emphasizing the thaw after a big freeze. I remain very wary of concluding that the worst is over. For the time being, conflict escalation is on a tenuous hold, at best. It remains to be seen if both security-focused superpowers are doing little more than running in place.
On hope is that large U.S. companies, which make good profits in China, will use the election campaign to press for a less hostile China policy.
Should that not work out the U.S.-China relation may well slip down a costly path towards a larger conflict.
Posted by b on July 8, 2023 at 14:54 UTC | Permalink
We just avoided ww3 as finally it got through to the leadership of Europe, that Ukraine doing a false flag in zpp might have irradiated whole europe and drag euand eventually China into ww3. They probably said some things to zelansky that ws serious enough to change his tune.
I mention this because we avoided ww3 twice over this conflict(once because a missile from a Russian jet failed to fire and hit a UK spy plane) yet no one in est trying to bring this war to an end we might very well have ww3 in our own lifetime unless China alone can navigate us all out of this trouble. Us probably do not have any ability to provide quality leadership
Posted by: A.z | Jul 8 2023 15:05 utc | 2
Thanks for the post, b. Tangentially connected to this, the trade ministers of Mexico, US and Canada met recently to review the free trade agreement.
USA’s Katherine Tai encouraged Canada to forgo its plans to tax digital services, allow US-based home shopping channels, abandon its dairy quotas, and pressure Mexico on GMO corn. “Cooperation” seems to have a very specific and special meaning in Washington. I tend not to believe these large corporations will bring about less hostility.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-trade-envoy-presses-canada-on-digital-services-tax-home-shopping-obligations-1.6471043
https://globalnews.ca/news/9814283/canada-us-mexico-trade-talks/
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 8 2023 15:10 utc | 4
"Power wears out those who do not have it.” from The Goffather
Posted by: Ozmen | Jul 8 2023 15:17 utc | 5
Some data to put things into perspective.
US trade balance versus China:
........ 2023....... | 2022........ | 2021
jan.. -25,160.3 | -36,285.2 | -25,827.7
feb.. -19,002.0 | -30,670.3 | -24,560.0
mar. -16,608.6 | -33,733.5 | -27,132.4
apr.. -20,283.0 | -30,406.3 | -25,446.0
may -25,211.5 | -31,505.5 | -26,088.7
US trade balance versus the EU:
........ 2023....... | 2022........ | 2021
jan.. -16,371.0 | -14,338.1 | -16,170.7
feb.. -14,109.1 | -12,489.4 | -15,656.4
mar. -15,860.9 | -16,531.1 | -18,154.0
apr.. -16,315.0 | -16,411.6 | -17,900.5
may -18,348.1 | -18,657.8 | -17,342.5
Posted by: SG | Jul 8 2023 15:19 utc | 7
The period where the US is the uncontested world power is over. Yet denial is the flavour of the day. Instead of recognizing and adapting to the - lol - new world order, the US instead makes failing attempts to recoup and maintain it's global position. This is not to be. It could be, if their were adults that ran the State Dept and crucially, if the US had a mentally healthy president. They do not. Biden finally reached the political pinnacle of power, however, he doesn't rule the roost. His 'handlers' are the power behind the throne and they, not the president, sets foreign policy. Most of, if not all, have failed. All the Chinese/Russian sanctions have accomplished is nothing other than to destroy western economies. The over-crowded US war room is chock-a-block full of idiots who believe the only way to assert, or rather, reassert US global domination is by militarily defeating all it's rivals. The US inspired revolution in the Ukraine illustrates how well those policies are working.
Posted by: rgl | Jul 8 2023 15:20 utc | 8
How thoughtful of Ms Yellen to publicly let the Chinese know what they're doing improperly and inadequately. I know they really appreciate it. Wow she sure is effective!
Posted by: Dogtired | Jul 8 2023 15:30 utc | 9
It's amusing that the Yankees sent Yellen to lecture the Chinese on etiquette but forgot to tell her to leave her Hobbit Costume at home - if she wants to be taken seriously.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 8 2023 15:37 utc | 10
Re:
""Yellen Urges China to Step Up Climate Finance Investments - NY Times, Jul 7, 2023
Janet Yellen, the Treasury secretary, said China, the largest emitter of greenhouse gases, can have “greater impact” tackling climate change by working with other nations."" as one of the front discussion topics:
Why not to use the Cumulative Pollution, since the mid-XIX century, when an "Industrial Era" started? And count the Pollution as Per Capita number, cumulatively, again.
Building thousands of miles of concrete highways, or concrete Hooger Dam and hundred of others, the infrastructure - it polluted mightly between XIX and XXI century. The CO² is circulat8ng, it was added.
While, the chinese Three Gorges Dam - was refused US credit on the grounds of . . . . environmental impact.
In another thread was about Detroit cars, flippantly using a gallon of gas per 10 miles.
Guess, the chinese had donkeys? Of little polluting characteristic?
So US is piously calling for curbing, for clipping the wings of others - while having already built their steel bridges, their cities and 800 bases needing 11 aircarriers and a fleet of other gear good for frightening the Pygmies of the World.
All ot That pollution, added, needs to be counted. And per capita. That will include Dismantling of the military stock and the Tesla's batteries. Who pollutes most, than?
Posted by: LogosApplied | Jul 8 2023 15:48 utc | 11
China has to be wondering if there are ever going to be sane adults in charge of US policy...Yellen is dumb as a post, and she's one of the better ones....
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jul 8 2023 15:50 utc | 12
From the Global Times article cited by b.:
"White Lines in the White House"
In 2020, former US president Jimmy Carter revealed that his son James Earl "Chip" Carter had smoked pot with musician Willie Nelson on the White House roof in 1980. Rapper Snoop Dogg also admitted smoking marijuana in a White House bathroom in December 2013.Moreover, several US leaders, privately or publicly, have acknowledged their drug history. Former presidents, such as Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, admitted to smoking marijuana when they were younger. Obama went even further, revealing that he had used cocaine in the past, making him the only US president to confess to doing so.
In a number of South-East Asian countries this would be unacceptable behaviour for a head of state, or their family.
In China a justice minister has been sentenced to death or life inprisonment, for accepting bribes. Compare this to the US track record.
We are making a bad impression, and think it's a laughing matter.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 8 2023 15:55 utc | 13
I'm beginning to believe that it was the "Big Guy" that turned his son Hunter on to Crack Cocaine.
Posted by: Eric Blair | Jul 8 2023 15:56 utc | 14
I was dismayed to see Adbusters is analogizing Xi Jinping with Hitler. Adbusters adopting the lies of the US security state about China and escalating the derision of Xi reveals the power of nationalist propaganda used to make war acceptable to the citizenry.
Posted by: Wilikins | Jul 8 2023 16:07 utc | 15
relevant quote from a link at rt news..
"I said: This is not a threat. This is an observation," Biden told CNN.
“Since Russia went into Ukraine, 600 American corporations have pulled out of Russia. And you have told me that your economy depends on investment from Europe and the United States. And be careful. Be careful,” he added."
it seems to me the usa empire is not going to go gracefully into the night.. in fact, they are going to be dragged, kicking and screaming the whole way down... this is going to make for a more bumpy ride moving forward here.. and this is reflected in the level of diplomacy that the usa appears incapable of offering at this point in time too.. there is no grace or deference in these usa politicians and leaders.. it is more of the same bullying and cajoling that are on regular display... it can't promise anything positive as i see it..
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2023 16:12 utc | 16
I'm seeing a lot of innocent electrons being tortured without the truth coming out in the light of day. The US is conducting an economic war with China. Until the US knocks off the tariffs, sanctions, blockades etc it will not get better. The funny thing is that China has said that, clearly and distinctly, albeit diplomatically.
Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Jul 8 2023 16:15 utc | 17
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2023 16:12 utc | 16
the us is going to have a tantrum like a 2 year old in Mcdonald's that didn't get his happy meal free toy. and that's the best case scenario.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 8 2023 16:18 utc | 18
I think the biggest tell was Jack Sullivan earlier this year saying effectively that Neo liberalism hasn't worked that well and without mentioning China, implied that their model combining state and markets work better.
China's economy is already bigger than the US in ppp which is what matters. They've integrated supply chains across industries so well unlike any other country so it's hard for companies too move away. The US wants to bring China down economically but can't, so it does saber rattling.
The US is trying to reindustrialize but it's a long process and they're late.
Posted by: Matthew | Jul 8 2023 16:19 utc | 19
Eventually, human beings completely give up trying to deal with other humans inability to " reason "!!
At some point Russia and China will stop all diplomatic relations the United States and its vassels!!
Posted by: cousin lucky | Jul 8 2023 16:21 utc | 20
@ pretzelattack | Jul 8 2023 16:18 utc | 18
thanks.. yes - it appears that is already the case! supersize me ain't happenin' here except in the ongoing ego dept.........
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2023 16:23 utc | 21
The United States is in the business of death. From its military-industrial-Congressional complex to the glorification of abortion to its insatiable appetite for illegal drugs, there is no hope to turn this great ship around.
Posted by: Jose Garcia | Jul 8 2023 16:24 utc | 22
Our current short term problem is stupid policy driven by internal politics, along with overreach. We need to appreciate that because we are not as dominant a country as we used to be, we should expect less accommodation from the subject countries. If we would pull our horns in a little, we could retain a dominant position for decades, and quite likely, a lot longer than might be expected. Inertia is a powerful force. As for a bumpy ride out, probably unavoidable. I just hope we don't go nuclear. At the least, that would interfere with my retirement.
Posted by: Jmaas | Jul 8 2023 16:37 utc | 23
From the GT article:
Both (US political) parties support society's dark sides, which is hard to imagine for any normal society...
Mic drop.
Thanks, b.
Posted by: robjira | Jul 8 2023 16:41 utc | 24
Wilikins | Jul 8 2023 16:07 utc | 15
Adbusters, Mother Jones, Democracy Now..., all damaged goods and far cries from what they may have once represented; "controlled opposition" seems like such a worn out term these days because nearly all political opposition in the empire is now controlled by the scumbag establishment.
Hard times, indeed.
Posted by: robjira | Jul 8 2023 16:50 utc | 25
In ‘07 or ‘08, our Treasury Secretary was in Peking and as part of his official visit spoke at some university. The speech was the usual claptrap - at some point the entire audience erupted in laughter , guffawing at some outlandish and silly statement.
Today, the Chinese don’t even laugh anymore, they just ignore with studied silence.
Yellem should carefully read the Chinese MFA white paper on the US published maybe late Winter. It’s stunning.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2023 16:57 utc | 26
The more the US trashes about, the more the noose tightens around its neck.
Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 8 2023 17:03 utc | 27
The US after having relocated its pollution (alias its industry), asks China to reduce its CO2 emissions.
Posted by: Jean Passant | Jul 8 2023 17:05 utc | 28
@Wilikins, #15:
Adbusters adopting the lies of the US security state about China and escalating the derision of Xi reveals the power of nationalist propaganda used to make war acceptable to the citizenry.
Two essential elements must be present for such propagandists to succeed in making such war acceptable to the citizenry: the propagandist must be of the really evil kind, and the citizenry must be dupes. Yup, we have them both in the U. S. of A.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 8 2023 17:11 utc | 29
The US is trying to reindustrialize but it's a long process and they're late.
Posted by: Matthew | Jul 8 2023 16:19 utc | 19
Late by 30 years or so to even have a chance. I wish I had seen the slightest evidence of reindustrializing but I have seen none. Woke doesn't work.
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 8 2023 17:17 utc | 30
Christoforou pointed out that when someone at Yellen's level from a major nation makes a visit, the host country usually organizes a full day itinerary, capped by a dinner that evening. Yellen had a meeting with Chinese officials, and that was that, and she was set loose. Pictures circulated on social media of Yellen having dinner with her staff at a Beijing restaurant that evening. I don't know what US officials expect on a visit when they go to another country and lecture them in the most patronizing way. Self-awareness is not a US attribute.
Posted by: Mike R | Jul 8 2023 17:36 utc | 31
On any day of the week, the utter absurdity of Outlaw US Empire policy on China can be read about at Global Times, today being no exception, the question being where to start. I'll start here, "China's fixed-asset investment in railways rises 6.9% to $42 billion in H1"; meanwhile , train derailments in the Empire average three per day. The article's header photo shows a highspeed rail marshalling yard and station that no other nation has. China's the world leader in so many aspects related to decarbonization, US officials ought to be shamed everytime they try to say China's not doing enough. Last week I linked to an article about China's massive offshore wind machines; here it is again.
Today's GT Editorial "NATO’s hidden agenda against China exposed in advance by Lithuania" leads with this paragraph:
"NATO is set to hold a summit in Vilnius, Lithuania, next week. As the host country, Lithuania appears both excited and impatient. A significant part of this sentiment is reflected in its provocation of China. At the same time, several other NATO members also appear to have coordinated in their approach to Taiwan island. These have all exposed the coming NATO summit's malicious intentions toward China. This cannot be ignored by the Chinese people, who must remain vigilant."
And NATO as the world well knows now is merely the gangster gang group led by the world's #1 Mafiosi the Outlaw US Empire. As one might assume at the article's outset, the editor aims to take Lithuania down a peg. Here's the third paragraph:
"It is bizarre that a Baltic country with a population of less than 3 million, located in the direct radiation zone of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, has come up with an Indo-Pacific Strategy. Many of its wordings for the strategy are familiar, as if they have been directly taken from the US rhetoric toward China, only this time they are being voiced from Lithuania. What is even more jaw-dropping is that Lithuanian foreign minister claimed that "with the Strategy having been approved, Lithuania now finds itself among global leaders." Only someone completely lacking self-awareness could make such a statement. Lithuania is by no means a "global leader," but the incident has become one of the biggest international laughing stocks of the year."
China knows full well such crap is instigated by the Empire and only adds to the worsening of relations. And of course, the RoW sees all this happening along with China's dignified responses. IMO, globally the Empire's been eclipsed by China's high road that's best articulated in its three Global Initiatives, which the Empire hasn't tried to counter because it simply can't.
Adbusters, Mother Jones, Democracy Now..., all damaged goods and far cries from what they may have once represented
@ robjira | Jul 8 2023 16:50 utc | 25
You prudently insert may have -- which touches on the problem bothering me. When I've been good and snookered, I'd like to figure out, as the old song has it: How long has this been going on?
Incidentally, you can apparently add Pacifica Radio, the whole putative resistance network -- originally founded by a pacifist -- that is, after all, what "Pacifica" refers to, (not the ocean):
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/07/01/pro-war-democratic-party-pacifica-radio/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 8 2023 17:51 utc | 33
Posted by: Wilikins | Jul 8 2023 16:07 utc | 15
#############
There are no dissident institutions. Any dissident that rises to the institutional level is very quickly co-opted.
Sadly, we're on our own.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 8 2023 17:52 utc | 34
Why does the head the U.S. Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve have anything to say about green energy in China. Biden is using a screwdriver to put a tire on a car. This most likely means that the state department cannot be trusted to do it’s most basic tasks correctly. If she is no longer managing treasury who is?
Posted by: ATM | Jul 8 2023 18:00 utc | 35
This most likely means that the state department cannot be trusted to do it’s most basic tasks correctly.
Posted by: ATM | Jul 8 2023 18:00 utc | 35
I don't think it can, but I'm not sure the Biden White House recognizes that fact. he keeps promoting people like Nuland and Abrams.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 8 2023 18:04 utc | 36
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 8 2023 17:51 utc | 33
The CIA/FBI have been systematically undermining any left wing organization in the USA since their founding's. It is what they were created to do. Even liberal organizations like the Guardian have been subsumed by the oligarch security state at this point. Don't take anything at face value. Just look for the contradictions and you will spot the lies. But be careful that they will place some truth into their lies as a way of making you ignore those.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 8 2023 18:13 utc | 37
What is the goal of the China-Bashing? Who is driving it, if major companies are against it?
Posted by: Marvin | Jul 8 2023 18:16 utc | 38
I'm going to keep predicting that eventually, the US will back the railroad bond issue against China. Once that happens, it's total economic war. Make sure you have good supplies of whatever prescription drugs you need.
Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 8 2023 18:32 utc | 39
Yellen.
Blinken.
Kissinger.
Only the Jews are allowed to negotiate with America's peers. The goyim are forbidden.
For a country that blathers on eternally about 'diversity' one would think such key roles would be delegated to at least one other cultural group.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 8 2023 18:56 utc | 40
reminds me of how the british intentionally got china addicted to opium, although this is not the same by a long shot..
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2023 15:04 utc | 1
Yep, my first thought too. The Anglo Saxons have no awareness of their history, just like Germany sending its panzers to attack the Russians in Ukraine.
Posted by: Brendan | Jul 8 2023 19:06 utc | 41
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2023 15:04 utc | 1
reminds me of how the british intentionally got china addicted to opium, although this is not the same by a long shot..
Oh yes, "The British" ... The Jewish Museum’s Sanitized History of an Opium Dynasty
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 8 2023 19:17 utc | 42
Speaking of China, India has now started paying for Russian oil in Yuan.
This is a significant development in terms of geopolitical order since India and China are the only remaining major powers in the global south with a fair amount of animosity towards each other, especially in light of middle east peace deal domino in the spring.
If India shows that that it can trade in Yuan, then it demonstrates that the nations among the expanding BRICS++ group can work together, at least in economic terms.
It is also significant because Europe launders Russian oil through Indian refiners. The average European at the gasoline station is now filling up with Russian crude processed in Indian refineries who paid for it in Chinese currency with inflated prices.
And India made this move mere weeks after Modi's visit to the US to "discuss security problem of China".
Modi couldn't have humiliated Biden more if he literally spat in Biden's face.
This is similar to the Japan Prime Minister Kishida's visit to Kyiv a few months ago declaring "unwavering support to Ukraine and NATO".
Till date, Japan has not sent so much as a pistol to Ukraine and a week after that visit, managed to get excemption for G7 oil price cap against Russia.
These major Asian powers may play nice to the west in front, but are openly, freely and casually backstabbing the west in terms economic matters.
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Jul 8 2023 19:20 utc | 43
Lithuania now finds itself among global leaders.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2023 17:48 utc | 32
Yes, it does sound hilarious. However, another interpretation simply says that they are saying that they are hosting a meeting of global leaders. And this latter interpretation is correct.
Posted by: HelenB | Jul 8 2023 19:23 utc | 44
Mike R @31
According to the readout from China's MFA and other offical sources, Yellen's visit to China is described as the result "after the discussion by both sides (China and US)", which means she was not offically invited by China . (Some Chinese obervers pointed out there was no red carpet at the airport when Yellen arrived.)
Same wordings regarding Blinken's visit to Beijing.
China did not hand out official invitation to them because China knew there wouldn't be any constructive and meaningful diplomatic dialogues with the perfidious American politicians.
China accepted Blinken and Yellen's visit just to show China's good intention for talk to de-escalate the tension caused by US wonton behavour.
But the Americans take it as China showing weakness, feel they could force themselves upon China, lecture China and, at the same time, get favorable deals for US, such as, to force China buying more US debts, to give free licence to WSJ banksters to rob of China.
Like the colonial masters, American politicians believe and act as if they own the world and everyone should obey American/Western orders.
Posted by: lulu | Jul 8 2023 19:41 utc | 45
@pyrrhus 12
that´s actually more true than one wants to believe.
In fact really worrying
Posted by: AG | Jul 8 2023 19:41 utc | 46
HelenB | Jul 8 2023 19:23 utc | 44--
Thanks for your reply. Do note that China isn't fooled:
"The grand chess game played by NATO and the US is certainly not influenced by Lithuania, which is merely a pawn that has crossed the Rubicon, encouraged and pushed forward without considering retreat, and ultimately unable to turn back."
In other words, as with all those before it, Lithuania will be sacrificed and not thought of once it dies. Meanwhile, Taiwan's elections await with public opinion not in DPP's favor.
Several years ago I posted a ranking of American students in math, literacy,and geography. The US scores solidly years behind other nations except in the areas of the Middle East and in poorer areas of Africa. I looked online just now to do an update. I found very little data. US university scientists are scored and ranked, but, well, it doesn't mention that that group is not US educated much at all.
Finally, one site comparing literacy: China 96.8%, Cuba 99.8% , Russia 99.7%. The US, at 86% ranks near Zimbabwe and dear war-torn Syria.
I know, however, that US education is abysmal on a world scale in science, math, literacy, and geography. Leading a dumb populous is perhaps easier? No maps will ever show in a Western article on our many world conflicts.
Posted by: HelenB | Jul 8 2023 20:45 utc | 48
The funny thing is on Chinese social media there is suddenly a wide spread of a video clip of Yellen eating mushroom dishes at a Yunnan resturant in Beijing, incl. what kind of mushroom she has ordered and how well she uses chopsticks.
(Yunnan is very famous for its variety of mushrooms.)
The same old tricks of "narrative/perception management" has been used by US cyber force and its shills before.
There used to be reports (before short videos became popular) spread on Chinese social media about how Bush jr (IIRC) had a bowl of 炸酱面( Zha jiang mian, a typical Beijing noodle dish) when he visited China.
Also US shills used to spread how Jon Huntsman Jr, Ambassdor to China (2009 - 2011) ate dirty cheap street food in Beijing (to imply Chinese officials corrupt and pompous).
Then one day in the bitterly cold Februrary 2011, he and his adopted Chinese daugter turned up at the famous 王府井 ( Wang Fu Jin ), a popular shopping avenue like fifth avenue in NY, to witness and/or participate with Western journalists, who had been already there with their microphones and cameras ready for, the Jasmine Revolution , a Coloure Revolution called upon by so-called pro-democracy Chinese dissidents on cue of Arab Spring.
It turned out to be a farce with only a dozen of the usual pro-West activists showed up, one man trying to throw some flowers.
A passing-by Chinese asked what the American ambassdor was doing there, Huntsman famously told the lie with a straight face: he just took a stroll there from his residence, which was at least 10 kilometers away!
No sane people would like to step out in the bitterly cold Februrary in Beijing when they could avoid.
Posted by: lulu | Jul 8 2023 20:52 utc | 49
That cocaine was found in the White House shouldn't surprise us MoA barflies as well. The wonder is, after Nancy Reagan's flirtations with fortune tellers in the 1980s and the Clinton/Lewinski shenanigans in the late 1990s, that news about cocaine lines being done by vistors or residents at the White House became public recently and not before.
Incidentally it was during Boris Johnson's tenure as British Prime Minister that cocaine was detected by sniffer dogs at Westminster. Where in the Houses of Parliament was the coke found? The dogs found it in bathrooms not far from Johnson's office and the office of the then Home Secretary Priti Patel.
After one of his visits to Ukraine as PM, Johnson had to go almost immediately to hospital for a sinus operation. Ukrainian President Zelensky sometimes appears in public sniffing furiously or wiping his eyes or nose. He is known or at least rumoured to be a coke addict. What do BoJo and President Ze get up to, when they are together?
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 8 2023 21:09 utc | 50
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 8 2023 21:09 utc | 50
That cocaine was found in the White House shouldn't surprise us MoA barflies as well.
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The only thing significant about this, and also a little surprising - at least to me - is that this story got out at all - which is the most interesting thing to learn but probably never will.
"When China set out to build the C919 jet, it made clear it would buy components only from joint ventures whose foreign partners would share technology."...Wall St. Journal, 9/26/2018, "How China Systematically Pries Technology From U.S. Companies," "Beijing leans on an array of levers to extract intellectual property-sometimes coercively."..."For four days this past December [2017] they fanned out through DuPont’s Shanghai offices, demanding passwords to the company’s world-wide research network, say people briefed on the raid. Investigators printed documents, seized computers and intimidated employees, accompanying some to the bathroom....At a January U.S. Chamber of Commerce dinner in Washington, executives pressed U.S. Ambassador to China Terry Branstad not to hit Beijing too hard on technology issues, according to dinner attendees."...https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-china-systematically-pries-technology-from-u-s-companies-1537972066
Posted by: susan mullen | Jul 8 2023 21:30 utc | 52
karlof1 @47
Do not put the hope too high just yet, DPP and its handlers (US and Japan, incl. anti-China HKers/UK) could just manufacture an event to sweep the public opinion in favour of DPP.
For example, DPP's Chen Shui-bian suddenly got shot during his campaign. He won the second term.
Tsai Ing-wen had been very low in public opinion at the end of her first term. Then came the so-called Hong Kong pro-democracy protest, DPP threw tons of financial and intelligence backings for the HK protesters/rioters, with the brainwashing by DPP-controlled media, Tsai Ing-wen easily won her second term with high votes.
Public opinion is very easy to be manipulated while rational thinking is hard in a information cocoon.
Posted by: lulu | Jul 8 2023 21:30 utc | 53
The US does what it does because of what it is: a predatory capitalist state run by predatory bankers and corporations. What it does, and has done since WW2, is consistent and predictable. When a contrarian maverick emerges they are eliminated, typically by smears, lies and deplatforming--and if necessary by more extreme measures. What is heartening is the emergence of a strong, united China--with its concept of common prosperity--to challenge it.
Posted by: Richard V | Jul 8 2023 21:32 utc | 54
which is merely a pawn that has crossed the Rubicon...
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2023 20:23 utc | 47
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Good chess players know that pawns are quite dangerous pieces that derive their power from their position even if they seem to have crossed the Rubicon.
And bad or mediocre chess players know the following inner monologue: Hey, what should happen, it is just a single pawn. Oh checkmate, how did that happen?
:)
Posted by: Nobody | Jul 8 2023 21:47 utc | 55
On hope is that large U.S. companies, which make good profits in China, will use the election campaign to press for a less hostile China policy.Should that not work out the U.S.-China relation may well slip down a costly path towards a larger conflict.
I'm honestly surprised how little power Corporate America have over Congress. You'd think money talks which it should but not today. If I recall, there are US laws that states the needs of shareholders is paramount. But I stand corrected after watching how some companies take on a suicidal path to push this weird identity movement.
Unfortunately, I don't see any good outcome and a larger conflict is in the works. It doesn't matter how local elections turn out in Taiwan. When "Western" ruling elites wants war, there shall be war. Preppers are definitely having a field day after so many decades of waiting for "The Collapse" to happen.
I just hope we don't go nuclear. At the least, that would interfere with my retirement.Posted by: Jmaas | Jul 8 2023 16:37 utc | 23
Yes and including all the work I put into my garden.
The more the US trashes about, the more the noose tightens around its neck.Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 8 2023 17:03 utc | 27
Yep; like the Chinese finger trap.
Late by 30 years or so to even have a chance. I wish I had seen the slightest evidence of reindustrializing but I have seen none. Woke doesn't work.Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 8 2023 17:17 utc | 30
The US and Western nations can recover BUT it first needs competent leaders and a population that have accepted their reality. We haven't hit rock bottom yet but we will. And it'll take at least a generation afterwards before Western civilization get to see signs of recovery.
Posted by: Ian2 | Jul 8 2023 21:51 utc | 56
A.z # 15:05 utc | 2
we might very well have ww3 in our own lifetime unless China alone can navigate us all out of this trouble. Us probably do not have any ability to provide quality leadership
China is not alone. Russia has been telling - yelling - NATO to quit with the aggressive expansion. It is Russia that has finally said enough is enough and rudely pushed the neoconservative war maniacs back. Neither Russia or China are alone in the necessity to take brute action to arrest the maniacal aggressive colonialism of the west.
You are unfortunately correct on your second point about the failure of US quality leadership, its a feature - not a bug. There is always a slim chance but I would not be expecting it at all any time soon.
Meanwhile China has its vision firmly on carrying the society firmly into a future based on the dignity of work for all: https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202307/08/WS64a953bda310bf8a75d6e05f.html
On the afternoon of July 5, after arriving in Suzhou, Xi first took a car to inspect Suzhou Industrial Park. At the park's exhibition center, he listened to a briefing on the industrial development in Suzhou and the overall situation of the park, and examined the innovative development achievements on display. Xi stressed that hi-tech industrial parks bear a significant and glorious historical mission in the pursuit of technological self-reliance and strength. It is imperative to strengthen dovetailing between technological innovation and industrial innovation, boost deep integration of industries, universities, and research institutes with enterprises as mainstay, promote the industrial application of scientific and technological achievements, and continuously nurture new industries and lead in industrial upgrading with new technologies. It is important to continually expand international collaboration, working hard to develop open and innovative world-class hi-tech industrial parks.Xi then visited Suzhou HYC Technology Co Ltd. He walked into the exhibition hall, the research and development workshop and the laboratory for optoelectronics, checking procedures of research, development, production and tests of products and asking about performances, functions, and market of equipment produced by the company. Xi expressed his gratification when seeing that its research workers and technicians are all young people. Xi noted that China's modernization drive has provided a large stage for young people, who are in their element. He urged them to seize opportunities of the times and give full play to their abilities in scaling a new height in the field of science and technology. They will surely feel proud for their contributions to China's national rejuvenation, Xi said.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2023 21:57 utc | 57
lulu # 19:41 utc | 45
Like the colonial masters, American politicians believe and act as if they own the world and everyone should obey American/Western orders.
Well said, and there is little challenge within to change that view. It is systematic and enduring and punishes all deviance.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2023 22:03 utc | 58
Re 56, Ian2
Get acquainted with Straus and Howe's 4th Turning thesis. Things will change, but it will take a generation, and maybe a watering of the tree of liberty.
Posted by: But really | Jul 8 2023 22:29 utc | 59
@ Arch Bungle | Jul 8 2023 19:17 utc | 42
thanks arch, for following up on p greenwoods first attempt.... so can we say the same of these american empire wars and those behind them?
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2023 22:43 utc | 60
lulu | Jul 8 2023 21:30 utc | 53--
Thanks for replying. I too am leery about what can be done by the manipulators. Taiwanese have experienced much manipulation over the past 20 years, so we'll soon see how they deal with it.
james | Jul 8 2023 16:12 utc | 16
the usa empire is not going to go gracefully into the night.. in fact, they are going to be dragged, kicking and screaming the whole way down...
Kicking and screaming is what they always do, even in better days. What I mean is, it does not prove that they're in serious trouble. Their only trouble, Biden's only trouble, are the upcoming elections - but they know how to outplay RFK junior like they did twice with Bernie Sanders, and how to play "lawfare" against Trump like they did, not so long ago, against Lula da Silva - or something may just happen to Trump.
The USA has lost a few points in Saudi Arabia and the Middle East, and on the Ukrainian battlefield - yet they have gained the "support" of all (except for one and a half) of the European nations, and Canada and Japan and a few more. Just how they manage to keep all these under control without making any noise, puzzles me - of course I know it works through the media and is masterminded by the secret services, which are in close cooperation with the media in most countries of the Empire. Of course I know that it has been prepared carefully, by selection of the elites, in politics and media, and by managing their careers, through the Bilderbergers, Atlantikbrücke and similar institutions.
What unsettles me, is the question of how do I expect the RoW to stick together in their contempt of the Empire, for long enough to bring it actually to its knees - I mean if it is, at the same time, so easy to keep the "civilized" and sophisticated(?) Europeans on board, even against their own interest.
Posted by: grunzt | Jul 8 2023 23:06 utc | 62
professional diplomats basically do not exist on senior levels in USA anymore,
It’s just politicians and spies. A good way to enter into conflict for no reason
Posted by: cresty | Jul 8 2023 23:12 utc | 63
@ grunzt | Jul 8 2023 23:06 utc | 63
thanks grunzt.. i sorta share your viewpoint here.. here are a few considerations, not in any particular priority order.. https://t.me/Slavyangrad/53881 if biden continues to fall apart, i am sure they will find a substitute, but it doesn't bode well for biden at present.. regarding the cluster munitions and the treaty that many countries signed onto in aug 2010 - how do these countries feel about the usa sending cluster munitions to ukraine at this point?? is it possible some of them are questioning what is happening here? i think it is, and some of this might come out indirectly, or in indirect ways with a lack of support for sustaining this proxy war in ukraine... it remains to be seen what comes out of the nato vilnius meeting july 11-12th.. of course there are other unknown unknowns, lol... it is hard predicting the future and things can come up which alter the direction this conflict continues to go it..
so the question of how long the ROW holds together is balanced by the same question of how long the NATO gang holds together..
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2023 23:21 utc | 64
@karlof1 | Jul 8 2023 22:53 utc | 62 (and lulu | Jul 8 2023 21:30 utc | 53)
I'd suggest NOT to put too much (or any) hope in Taiwanese people to make the decision really beneficial to themselves. Taiwan is de facto an amerikkkan colony, especially under DPP and KMT after Lee's regime. If amerikkkan demands DPP or KMT to go left, no one dares to go anywhere other than left. In the democratic® system like Taiwan, one does not need a majority to win the presidency. 40% (or even less) of the people who vote are sufficient in some scenarios. Chen got less than 40% of the votes in his first term. Among the current 3 main candidates- DPP's Lai, KMT's Hou, the former mayor of Taipei City Ko, Lai has a solid 33% base in polls, which is also DPP hardcore base. However, due to DPP's corruption and incompetency, Lai couldn't get cross 40% in polls at this point either.
There was a poll by an American pollster Timothy S. Rich. The poll finds that more than 73% of DPP supporters believe amerikkans will come to Taiwan's defense should PLA starts reunion by force. Only 15% of KMT supporters think so. About 19% of non-DPP/non-KMT holds the same opinion. Clearly, DPP has done a superb job to brainwash its supporters to whatever it wants them to "believe" even though it is contrary to the reality.
In any case, whoever wins the Taiwan's presidency in early 2024, he will still be a good amerikkkan lapdog and loyally follow THE orders.
However, the matter of the fact is that Taiwan will be reunited with China within next decade if not sooner. Unfortunately, peaceful reunion is not likely now. Note it is not China does not want peaceful reunion but it becomes impossible due to amerikkka and its vassals in Taiwan.
Posted by: LuRenJia | Jul 8 2023 23:48 utc | 65
Arch Bungle@42
Don't let any of that put you off from reading Siegfried Sassoon's trilogy (memoirs of a Fox Hunting Man; Memoirs of an Infanty Officer; Sherston's Progress) or his war poetry.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 8 2023 23:50 utc | 66
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 8 2023 17:51 utc
The entire 70s anti Marxist "left" in California died just after the Iraq war. Many of it's adherents are elite Dems now howling for Putin's blood.
Occupy was on the road back to class war when the Dems subverted it with the twin attack of Bidens good friend creepy uncle Bernie and a tremendous effort to subvert the class war with a race war that's been incredibly successful for them. Any anti war movement can now be destroyed with a false accusation of racism, sexism, or homophobia. They've brainwashed millions of child heros to do just that.
As a wise old man said, "Everyone responds differently to a political argument, but they all respond the same way to a hot poker".
The pressure on working people is a massive hot poker right now. Something much healthier will replace what passed for the left in California.
But I really think the mass are still in shock. The last year's have been stunning, so it may take a bit this time around.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 8 2023 23:55 utc | 67
LuRenJia | Jul 8 2023 23:48 utc | 66--
Thanks for your reply. My sense is Xi and team which includes most of the mainland are getting peeved at the interventions preventing peaceful reunification and thus rejuvenation, both of which were original Nationalist Goals. My take is Xi and team will await the election outcome before making a decision on the path they will then follow, which might go in any one of several directions. However, China must remain mindful of the global leadership position it now has and expected to uphold. My point on the other thread that the RoW could rapidly adopt China's Global Security Initiative and thus put great pressure on the Outlaw US Empire also bears on the Taiwan issue. Most ASEAN nations favor the GSI as does SCO, BRICS, EAEU, NAM, and other multilateral organizations, and few IMO would want to be seen in opposition, particularly their publics as in most cases their governments are captured--Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, are examples. IMO, none of the above want a war in Asia, which is what the Outlaw US Empire seems to currently desire. And so we wait and watch!
Posted by: lulu | Jul 8 2023 19:41 utc | 45
China accepted Blinken and Yellen's visit just to show China's good intention for talk to de-escalate the tension caused by US wonton behaviour.
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So, a serious breach of restaurant etiquette by Yellen and co., who we're informed had to dine alone?
Posted by: Deeplurker | Jul 9 2023 2:39 utc | 69
Posted by: Deeplurker | Jul 9 2023 2:39 utc | 70
Would you care to share dinner with someone who talked down to you?
Posted by: Bartholomew Cubbins | Jul 9 2023 3:44 utc | 70
"Why the PLA Rocket Force is in trouble and how it may be related to the CIA? Two (Chinese ex-military) experts offer their insight and analysis."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0D0CgTXS4
Joe Biden's grip on the US military might be ~10%, but Xi Jinping's grip on the CCP's own PLA is not 100%.
Posted by: Antonym | Jul 9 2023 3:49 utc | 71
China bashing is a gawd damned industry in Anglophone
Its a way to get votes during election
Exhibit A
Both former finance minister Rishi Sunak and his rival, Foreign Secretary Liz Truss, have talked tough as they challenge for the top role, framing the United Kingdom as needing to defend its values against China’s influence – and Beijing has taken notice
USAss needs no introduction
Its the same all over anglophone.
Its the ticket for Chinese 'dissidents' to the Nobel prize,
eg., Liu Xioabo
Matter of fact China bashing isnt the elites prerogative, its a gawd damned national pastime. all over anglophone.
barflies should get out to smell the flowers once in a while, there's a garden out there,
For example, in African forums, there's a horde of anglo telling the Africans ..
'be careful what you wish for',
China might be the new coloniser just as bad if not worse than the west
Whenever people mention China's benign rise you get the standard refrain,
'tell that to the Tibetans, Uighurs, HK, TW....blahblablah'
Such well trained parrots , these 'wn'
Just the other day, a YT video brags about the imminent collapse of Chinese economy as
'the big boys like Apple, Samsung. etc etc are ditching China for India, VN.....following the de couple diktat from USAss'
There's this gem...
Its the elites who outsource our industries to China and create this monster, a threat to humanity'
OUch
Its just the tip of an iceberg but u get the drift
I used to fight this tsunami of BS with Quixotic zeal, posting all over the place.
for example I came to know about MOA
WHILE someone posted this in comment is free, where the Chinese were branded as murderers 'massacring unarmed peaceful protestors in Tibet', exactly like the accusation about TAM, Uighrs.....
My career started around 2001, after the bombing of Chinese embassy in YUgo and the Hainan spy plane provocation., where a Chinese pilot died.
Fat lot of good it does.
Time to take it easy, what's better to retreat to the bar, our home ground eh, enjoy a few drinks while we preach to the choir ?
ONly to be swarmed by an influx of 'wn',
who warns us
'be careful what u wish for, China could just be another kind of monster',
Lecture us on TW, Tibet'...
'how dare those chicom lecture the west over TW, total hypocrites' !
According to the 'wn' spokesman, our resident prof of philosophistry, he has been lurking here all these years but finally decided to join the fray in 2022 cuz....he find the bar too lame on Russia/China, he needs to balance up a bit. !
jfc !
The bar vs the CIA GLOBAL WURLITZER
yET our prof of philosophistry say
' NO fair !
we need to give Goliath a hand to balance thing up
hehehehe
Posted by: denk | Jul 9 2023 5:09 utc | 72
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2023 22:43 utc | 60
so can we say the same of these american empire wars and those behind them?
Absolutely. The historical record is clear:
The British host and the parastic cabal that infiltrated their power structure.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 9 2023 5:28 utc | 73
denk's repeat tape as stuck as usual: conflating China with the CCP, since 2001.
Are the Americans the MICIMATT? Or all Europeans are WEF?
No!
An insult to all non CCP Chinese, all 1000 million of them.
Posted by: Antonym | Jul 9 2023 6:02 utc | 74
I've a hunch the anton troll is a wasp
agent provocateur, most likely the SAME 'Indian' posting as malla in the uNZ.
hAS anyone ever seen this troll calling out FUKUSA depredations.
NO.
His pet hate is Indians, but always masquarading as an Indian apologists posting nonsense , to trigger a backlash
on India here.
IN my bozo file since 2010
meaning not deserving even a blinken treatment.
be back
Posted by: denk | Jul 9 2023 6:13 utc | 75
@Antonym | Jul 9 2023 3:49 utc | 72
Lei in lei's real talk you link still(?) seems to believe there was a massacre on Tiananmin square in 1989
She says she was impressed by how brave the western journalist were to report on it.
However those journalists made it up and some of them admitted it 20 years afterwards.
Thus Lei's views seem to be a case of western brainwashing
However that doesnt mean her reports are totally misleading about there being some kind of trouble inside the ranks of China's PLA like she communicates,
And it actually seems partly a feature that people in high positions are worried about a coming nuclear war. However since she is potentially intensely biased I hesitate to believe she really knows about the precise nature of the problem
The way she presented it made it seem coherent though.
But it also sounded exactly like a psychological operation by the US. The fear Lei commuicates is what you would like the chinese to be victims of, from the US side.
The fear that the US will wipe out the subs very fast as soon as the war has started and that the now removed leaders of the rocket force had secretely agreed not to launch the missiles.
It is beyond my knowledge to judge the merits and reliability of that perspective.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 9 2023 6:16 utc | 76
@ petergrfstrm | Jul 9 2023 6:16 utc | 77
Just as the US MICIMATT buried the truth about JFK or 9/11 for obvious reasons, don't you think the CCP can and will bury their skeletons like Tiananmen square? The CCP has 99.9% control over all communication in and out of China, the jealous NSA only 90%...
On the other hand the CCP is not ashamed to flash their WEF summer capital Tianjin next to Davos in winter: somethings don't add up for real communists: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/06/amnc-2023-day-1-heres-everything-you-need-to-know/
Posted by: Antonym | Jul 9 2023 6:34 utc | 77
@Arch Bungle | Jul 9 2023 5:28 utc | 74
I dont think you have the same parasite in mind as I have. I would suggest that the parasite that invaded the US host during a decisive period when Cecil Rhodes Society emerged was the Pilgrim Society. Since it is hardly pointed to by the vast majority of observers while it totally redesigned the US power structure the silence about it speaks volumes.
Before that the british led masons including the illuminati was the most powerful arm. And the masons fooled everybody about its anglosaxon leadership. Those masons created everything related to the Israel project and the zionist organisations in order to be able to blackmail the financial world to work exclusively for the anglosaxon empire.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 9 2023 6:46 utc | 78
It is truly hard to believe that, once upon a time, President Carter used to get a lot of flak because his brother (who held no office whatsoever) drank a bit too much BEER on occasion.
That was "scandalous" in the 1970s. Now? Snorting cocaine inside the WH just elicits a yawn.
Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Jul 9 2023 7:00 utc | 79
The US is trying to reindustrialize but it's a long process and they're late.
Posted by: Matthew | Jul 8 2023 16:19 utc | 19
That plan begins by deindustrialising the EU especially Germany and sending the production to the US.
Posted by: jpc | Jul 9 2023 8:17 utc | 80
Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Jul 9 2023 7:00 utc | 80
they turned on Carter like they turned on trump, the msm and the parties. that's how operation mockingbird deals with presidents it finds unsatisfactory.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 9 2023 8:22 utc | 81
it seems like they are finally turning on Biden to some extent, not sure why.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 9 2023 8:23 utc | 82
China's modernization drive has provided a large stage for young people, who are in their element. He urged them to seize opportunities of the times and give full play to their abilities in scaling a new height in the field of science and technology. They will surely feel proud for their contributions to China's national rejuvenation, Xi said.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2023 21:57 utc | 57
Chinese doing science and engineering
Americans doing financial engineering.
Who's on a better track ling term?
Anyone recall a US president making a similar visit that was mentioned in the media,?
Posted by: jpc | Jul 9 2023 8:39 utc | 83
@ Walt 84
Hi Walt, how is business in the PRC going? When are going to abandon ship towards the Philippines?
BTW: when is the later country going to revert to its original non-colonial name? The UK is not called Haralda today right?
Posted by: Antonym | Jul 9 2023 9:29 utc | 84
@Antonym | Jul 9 2023 6:34 utc | 78
Unless the BBC lied in 1989 they wouldnt later admit they made it up while actually not wittnessing what they reported.
But the reason they admitted it was that many other reports proved it to be fake reporting based on hearsay.
And the Cia was behind the violent terrorists at another part of Beijing. They murdered unarmed policemen or other civil servants, so the chinese had to strike down on them.
But never harmed the students at Tiananmin square.
They were just calmly led away.
And when you call China communist this might apply to the era before Deng Tsiao Ping entered the scene. After that China is pragmatic not doctrinaire but there is a difficulty due to the anglosaxon role behind all kinds of radical ideology and how the angloempire uses it to provoke division.
Namely that if the chinese leadership would be openly negative towards the communist era this would open a vulnerable spot for the anglosaxons to exploit.
Steve Bannon who proclaimed to be a leninist and who also organised right wing extremists is not atypical among geopolitical movers and shakers.
They are a doublefaced breed.
And western leftists are too much bonded to their preferred narrative thus critisise China if they seem too capitalist and the anglosaxons could use both western leftists and those inside China to intensify the angloempires China bashing.
Therefore the leadership while being pragmatic have to play those communist strings.
A bit.
But Deng realised that egalitarian principles are hard harmonise with prosperity and opted for the latter while adapting the former high principles to a more realistic model.
Now called Socialism with chinese traits.
The smart people everywhere know that egalitarian ideas dont work under intellectually demanding conditions as in an advanced technological society
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 9 2023 9:58 utc | 85
re: Scorpion | Jul 8 2023 21:19 utc | 51
who said: "The only thing significant about this, and also a little surprising - at least to me - is that this story got out at all - which is the most interesting thing to learn but probably never will."
Hmm I saw it as a deliberate leak from arseholes tryin to tell voters "See we're normal amerikans just like you".
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 9 2023 11:10 utc | 86
It is constantly repeated that German Industry is moving to the US. I usually respond with "What evidence is there?" I can only find vague claptrap about US Gov't subsidies always barren of actual examples so typical of the US MSM. I did find an interesting article published before NordStream was blown up that explains why German Industry is not moving to the US, the situation is bound to be worse that it was in was in 2022.
Over & Out: It Seems the Transfer of Factories From Germany to the US Is Canceled
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 9 2023 11:42 utc | 87
In stark contrast to asking Andisearch if any German Industries have moved
to the US and receiving a dud, substitute China and you get a world of real world examples! In spite of no subsidies.
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 9 2023 11:50 utc | 88
@HelenB, #48:
I just came across an interesting tidbit. The top 3 finishers of Math Olympics 2023 were: China @ #1; USA @ #2; Australia @ #3. All three tops teams members are of Chinese ethnicities. The most amazing fact, however, is that all 12 members of the top 3 teams are girls!!!
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 9 2023 18:10 utc | 89
In response to
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Before that the british led masons including the illuminati was the most powerful arm. And the masons fooled everybody about its anglosaxon leadership. Those masons created everything related to the Israel project and the zionist organisations in order to be able to blackmail the financial world to work exclusively for the anglosaxon empire.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 9 2023 6:46 utc | 79
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Got any names for those folks you claim run the global private bankers and the Western world?
Asking for a friend.......
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 9 2023 19:44 utc | 90
These major Asian powers may play nice to the west in front, but are openly, freely and casually backstabbing the west in terms economic matters.
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Jul 8 2023 19:20 utc | 43
Correction:
These major Asian powers may play nice to the west in front, but are openly, freely and casually looking after their own national interests in terms economic matters.
Posted by: in_Oz | Jul 9 2023 23:51 utc | 91
Below is the sort of China bashing you get from some postings at ZH
For those of you who have listened to our calls or watched our webinars, you know that we are not doubting the dollar as the reserve currency, but do see the dollar as the “world wide web” and the yuan as the “dark web”. The scale sounds about right, but maybe it attributes too many negative connotations to trade using the yuan (or maybe not enough depending on your view).
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 10 2023 2:56 utc | 92
that all 12 members of the top 3 teams are girls!!!
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 9 2023 18:10 utc | 90
I would guess that they had superior teamwork. Top intellectual and academic performers tend to be loners. Groups of people working together in a cooperative team fashion can get so much more done! Wish we could get world leaders to have such training.
Posted by: HelenB | Jul 10 2023 5:16 utc | 93
I confess I think the establishment has gone insane at least since 2016. Campaigning, Biden claimed to want to restore the PMOAC (the deal with Iran). As soon as he took office, Blinken issued an ultimatum to Iran and said, "The United States will not bargain from a position of weakness." Then he and some assistant insulted China. A week or so later another State Department official insulted China. Blinken finally was granted an audience in China, and Biden insulted President Xi. I'm waiting to hear what Yellen's reception has been like, but I don't think it's been very warm.
Posted by: Procopius | Jul 10 2023 6:02 utc | 94
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thanks b... typo - should that NOT work out. at the end of your post..
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reminds me of how the british intentionally got china addicted to opium, although this is not the same by a long shot..
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2023 15:04 utc | 1