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June 20, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-146

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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“..I seriously doubt Ukraine is going to exhaust themselves with their current offensive to the point that they are no longer capable of effective defence…” Mike314159@96
That would be a reasonable conclusion if Ukraine, always a nebulous concept now more nebulous than ever, had any agency. It doesn’t. That has been clear since Zelensky, armed with a clear mandate to build a policy of reconciliation and compromise on the basis of the Minsk agreements, learned that he, the government, the army and the people themselves had no choice- their fate was to carry out the instructions conveyed to them by the local Nazi revivalists employed by the Hegemonists in Washington.
And thus it is that Ukrainians die at the pleasure of the fascists running NATO- cannibals with delicate tummies.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2023 23:18 utc | 101

Posted by: AG | Jun 20 2023 22:48 utc | 91
Yes, the subject of the March-April negotiations is entirely moot at this point. The only reason Putin raised it is to show the Africans their peace initiative is a waste of everyone’s time. The only reason I complain about it is that the presumption is Russia would have accepted the alleged treaty and possibly without further negotiations which I doubt.
I still think that regardless of Mercouris claiming Putin considered it an actual treaty, when the one page we saw with the differences between the Ukraine and Russian requirements for Ukraine’s military clearly show there were issues that they were far apart on. This is why I called it more of a “position paper” than an actual “treaty”. Mercouris thinks some things were agreed, and more would have been negotiated later. But I just don’t buy that Putin would have ended the war there with an agreement that basically was the same as Minsk II, with the exception that now Russia was in control of the Donbass and Ukraine had the fig leaf of “no membership in NATO in the Constitution”, when everyone knows Ukraine was next to being a NATO army regardless of its official membership.
I just don’t buy that he would allow NATO to slide and allow Ukraine to have “security guarantees” from the West even if Russia also had “guarantees”. He knows what western guarantees are worth.
And I certainly don’t buy Mercouris’ notions that Putin was afraid Russia wouldn’t survive the sanctions, or was afraid the Russian army didn’t want to fight, or that the SMO plan was hasty, so he would be willing to stop the war early. I think that’s all speculative nonsense.
Basically I just think Russia or Ukraine would have found a way to get out the treaty eventually, probably Ukraine which would force Russia to withdraw and restart the war under probably less favorable conditions. So why bother agreeing to a very lame and unenforceable treaty?
And of course, as I emphasize, this would have done nothing for Russia’s concerns about the NATO strategic weapons in Poland and Romania, which are Putin’s main concerns, far more important than Donbass or even Ukraine NATO membership. The only reason Ukraine’s NATO membership mattered was because those same weapons would end up in Ukraine, and Putin knew it. Which is why I say taking Ukraine off the board completely is the only real solution that solves all the problems at once.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 20 2023 23:23 utc | 102

Posted by: Mike314159 | Jun 20 2023 23:05 utc | 96
Well, RU might make an offensive in Kupyansk-Svatove line as AFU wears itself out in Zaporozhye. Also, if AFU truly abandons the attempts on Zaporozhye, I doubt RF will sit idly, they will shake them up more one way, one place or the other. Not with “big arrows” necessarily, there are other ways.
The most important thing is Mr. Goebbels, ahem, Zelensky, finally had his “Totaler Krieg” moment and announced full mobilization in Ivano-Frankivsk. Remember, western Ukrainians are the chosen ones, to create the new pure pseudo-aryan nation. They were not meant to be consumed by this war. Or that’s what one would think, anyway. Sponsors may have other plans.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 20 2023 23:31 utc | 103

RSH @ 96
Ah just as I thought no car.
If you like I’ll call round a few days ahead of the apocalypse an pick you up.
Head for Mexico.
Need to make a stop on the way though…
Vladimir Putins is sure to hit Fort Knox I’m thinking we could load up with ingots, bullion a bit of wealth distribution. Whatdayasay.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 20 2023 23:36 utc | 104

Stratotankers are to be placed over the Black Sea and near Ukrainian-Polish border, levelled not very far from Rzeszów – Lamberg line.
That all should be denied to NATO/Ukrainian dreamteam.
We will see what really happens, I guess real soon.
Posted by: whirlX | Jun 20 2023 21:15 utc | 72
I wouldn’t want to be one of the crew flying 30,000 gallons of jet fuel within reach of a determined Russian.
I suspect Russian already has plans to kill the pests.

Posted by: kupkee | Jun 20 2023 23:53 utc | 105

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 20 2023 22:50 utc | 93

What’s up with all the nuke porn gloom and doom, you people are sick …

What’s worse is that none of the geniuses on this forum are looking at the upside and working out how to make profit off the nuke terror – or prospective nuclear apocalypse.
Long IKEA bunker kits!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 20 2023 23:58 utc | 106

A mere $41 billion is all it will take to reconstruct Ukraine. Sunak is chipping in $3 billion (not his own money).
“Mr Sunak is set to announce $3bn in World Bank loan guarantees, and will tell the delegates: “As we’ve seen in Bakhmut and Mariupol, what Russia cannot take it will seek to destroy. They want to do the same to Ukraine’s economy.””
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65969456

Posted by: dh | Jun 21 2023 0:01 utc | 107

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 20 2023 23:36 utc | 103
Can your car hold that much gold?
Otherwise I’d rather just stop in Los Angeles and pick up a couple of my favorite actresses for the trip south.
Maybe Danielle Campbell:
https://coolwallpapers.me/picsup/5599291-danielle-campbell-wallpapers.jpg

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 0:06 utc | 108

th @ 106
That’s a classic example of psychological projection by sunak.
A real case study.
Flip it over and you get the truth….
What the west cant take it seeks to distroy…
ie Ukraine and Russia.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2023 0:09 utc | 109

Crazier and crazier. Saw today in the Sydney Morning Herald, this piece of nonsense now circulating MSM through Reuters.
>>>”Most terrifying is that the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant was mined by Russia … namely the cooling pond was mined,” Kyrylo Budanov, head of the GUR agency”.
Jeezuz. Is that a recent press release from a ghost in Banderaville, or some older rehashed “news” from months ago, being used this week to make believe he’s still alive and giving realistic commentary on Russia’s evil deeds? Jeezuz. Australians are actually gunna believe this!

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jun 21 2023 0:09 utc | 110

Alex Christiforo says Budanov is haunting the Russians.
The non-offensive being paused due to technical difficulties – will be right back, dont go away

Posted by: jared | Jun 21 2023 0:12 utc | 111

RSH @ 107
One ton payload plus a couple of girls it is then.
We could tow a burger van/trailer and flip burgers on the way.
Count me in.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2023 0:16 utc | 112

Australians are actually gunna believe this!
Posted by: The Dolphin | Jun 21 2023 0:09 utc | 109
Yes they are and regularly do. In this case we are being primed for the false flag. I don’t know why they do the media testing on Aussies, I guess we are most gullible or most apathetic.

Posted by: K | Jun 21 2023 0:19 utc | 113

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2023 0:16 utc | 111
We could sell the burgers along the way to pay for the trip.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 0:26 utc | 114

Getting dangerous around here what with all these nukes flying around ….
…. oops – there goes another one … and I don’t have a bunker …

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 21 2023 0:28 utc | 115

RSH @ 113
Yeah man count me in.
Easy rider CD playing on the sound system.
Not sure about tripping though, the whole world’s going to be like a bad trip by then.
Who will I blame ? Not Putin thats for sure.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2023 0:33 utc | 116

Don Firineach your a good man !
What you like at flipping burgers ?
Fancy an apocalyptic road trip.
Pure Hollywood.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2023 0:38 utc | 117

Could someone explain to me why Russia has not attempted to interdict resupply routes WITHIN UKRAINE? I mean, before nuking Antwerp and Ramstein AFB, wouldn’t it be logical to destroy rail lines and roads in Western Ukraine?
And, while we’re at it, what about a multipronged effort (financial, diplomatic, and military) to get Germany to change sides?

Posted by: Xin Loi | Jun 21 2023 0:50 utc | 118

It’s not even the weekend and this thread already sucks the big one :)…..where’s that bottle at….?

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 21 2023 0:50 utc | 119

Xin Loi : Russia can blow up those things, but doesn’t. Either Putin is a traitor to Russia, or he has judo flipped the neo-con strategy of “we are fighting them over there so we dont have to fight them here” into “we are fighting them here so we dont have to fight them there”
It is a naval power vs a land power war. Russia would have a hard time destroying all that NATO equipments if they had to ship out and fight in NATO lands. Instead they let NATO ship their shit into Ukraine, then let noobs drive it around. Why would Russia try to interrupt their enemy when they are making a mistake?

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 21 2023 0:57 utc | 120

Suresh @ 118
Not me i don’t drink.
Your not grasping the tatic…
instill good old healthy fear and a sence of mortality into Americans and the west.
We all voyaristicly watched Ukraine and Russia suffer now it’s the west’s turn to burn.
Sorry not sorry.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2023 1:01 utc | 121

dh | Jun 21 2023 0:01 utc | 106
*** [BBC quoted] “Mr Sunak is set to announce $3bn in World Bank loan guarantees, and will tell the delegates … ***
That slimey wee yankified bastard should see to the ever increasing potholes in British roads, instead of leeching public money to his bankertite chums + organised crime in Galicia.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 21 2023 1:01 utc | 122

Re. Budanov
The assassinations of Darya Dugina and Vladlen Tatarsky will not be forgotten which means that Budanov has become too much of a liability to his handlers.
There are reports he has been transferred to Germany. My best guess is that he has been epsteinized.

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 21 2023 1:03 utc | 123

Just watched RFK Jr’s foreign policy speech, in which, as a starting point, he acknowledged the great Soviet contribution to WWII. That was encouraging…until I saw that the Pentagram has recalculated their Ukranian “accounting error” up to $6.2 rather than 3 billion according to CNN

Posted by: Peter b | Jun 21 2023 1:04 utc | 124

Typo above …tactic not tatic

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2023 1:06 utc | 125

Aaaand. The clown show gets its season extended by a few extra episodes: Pentagon accounting error provides extra $6.2 billion for Ukraine military aid
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-surplus-funding-72eeb6119439146f1939d5b1973a44ef

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon said Tuesday that it overestimated the value of the weapons it has sent to Ukraine by $6.2 billion over the past two years — about double early estimates — resulting in a surplus that will be used for future security packages.
Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh said a detailed review of the accounting error found that the military services used replacement costs rather than the book value of equipment that was pulled from Pentagon stocks and sent to Ukraine.
She said final calculations show there was an error of $3.6 billion in the current fiscal year and $2.6 billion in the 2022 fiscal year, which ended last Sept. 30.
As a result, the department now has additional money in its coffers to use to support Ukraine as it pursues its counteroffensive against Russia.
And it come as the fiscal year is wrapping up and congressional funding was beginning to dwindle.

https://twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1671271117020069890

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 21 2023 1:14 utc | 126

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 21 2023 1:14 utc | 125
Given that the Pentagon can’t account generally for literally hundreds of billions over X years, I’d say they could easily find another %50-100 billion if they really wanted to. So that’s only $6.2 billion probably means they’re trying NOT to send any more stuff over there, but they are being pressured to, so they come up with something to satisfy the Nulands and Austins.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 1:18 utc | 127

Latest Napolitano…
Western Elites, Ukraine & Madness w/ Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador (My note: That title about sums it up)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKdFjpBU64Y
In Ukraine War Putin also Taking on the U.S. – Larry Johnson fmr CIA (My note: Duh!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VSZjbZ-x8

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 1:20 utc | 128

What an epically titanic distraction from the shocking battlefield bloodbath occurring in Ukraine.
Expecting a miraculous rescue replete with all the brain numbing hollywood drama down to the last minutes of oxygen.
The amount of human energy & resource going into saving 5 wealthy individuals vs the near silence about 700+ bodies left to float and bloat across the Mediterranean…

Posted by: Irish | Jun 21 2023 1:44 utc | 129

Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 1:18 utc | 126
a $6.2B pricing error on the gifts the pentagon sent!
the pentagon has never passed [been successfully] an ‘audit’ by the gov’t account office (gao) or anyone else!
congress tried to get the 5 sided wind tunnel on the potomac to get its books in order years ago to no success.
i saw this thing called military equipment valuation (mev) never materialize!
problem is military industry complex super weapons such as the f-35 are never really tested, so the specifications used to produce the weapons are in large part different than the original requirements. when you cannot link requirements to the product delivered for ‘receiving and payment’ you cannot certify the price paid!
and that is the kindest way, also why the weapons cost so much to train with and fail so often in hands of any troops much less ill trained ukraine….
war is not the only racket run by the pentagon, congress industry axis!

Posted by: paddy | Jun 21 2023 1:53 utc | 130

Ukrainian Journalist Blasts Media For Whitewashing Azov Batallion
https://youtu.be/uJbz4zRJGM0

Ukrainian writer and journalist Lev Golinkin discusses the Western media’s whitewashing of the Azov Battalion. As he writes at The Nation, “before Russia invaded Ukraine, these fighters were neo-Nazis. They still are,” https://www.thenation.com/article/world/azov-battalion-neo-nazi/
Lev Golinkin is the author of A Backpack, a Bear, and Eight Crates of Vodka, Amazon’s Debut of the Month, a Barnes & Noble’s Discover Great New Writers program selection, and winner of the Premio Salerno Libro d’Europa. Golinkin, a graduate of Boston College, came to the United States as a child refugee from the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkov (now called Kharkiv) in 1990. His writing on the Ukraine crisis, Russia, the far right, and immigrant and refugee identity has appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, CNN, The Boston Globe, Politico Europe, and Time (online), among other venues; he has been interviewed by MSNBC, NPR, ABC Radio, WSJ Live and HuffPost Live.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 21 2023 1:56 utc | 131

Latest Duran live with Larry Johnson…
The big counteroffensive pause? w/Larry Johnson (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJtRcNcIC_k

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 2:00 utc | 132

@unimperator
“A man cannot serve two masters, he will either hate the one and love the other, or be devoted to the one and despise the other”
The humans that control US foreign policy are almost exclusively dual passport holders.

Posted by: catbonez | Jun 21 2023 2:02 utc | 133

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 21 2023 1:56 utc | 130
Imo the author goes too far in trying to navigate a “reasonable middle” that his readers won’t recoil from, given how much Western propaganda they’ve been fed.
That being said, his voice might have a positive impact on things, and help re-cement the idea that yes, Ukraine has a Nazi problem. That will be important for eventually achieving a peaceful coexistence between Russia and the West, after Russia has de-nazified Ukraine. T

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 21 2023 2:08 utc | 134

More creative US financing (outside Congressional purview) for the counteroffensive:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/extra-6bn-in-us-arms-for-ukraine-after-accounting-error
Another reason to hope this senseless slaughter comes to an end soonish.

Posted by: Deeplurker | Jun 21 2023 2:16 utc | 135

For the Wagner fanboys, enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2GTCCAxeWY

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 21 2023 2:17 utc | 136

reply to 100
My fear continues to be that Ukraine is used as the world’s most perfect suicidal instrument against Russia. Isn’t there an assumption from military history of how a defeat happens – that shockingly may never occur to Ukraine? Could they sacrifice EVERY male under the age of 60 in war? Every professor, every student, every teenager, every civil servant. And then perhaps every female under 60.
I’ve heard too much about this or that ending the conflict – including even Zelensky fearing that Bakhmut’s capture would mean his end (it didn’t matter). They run out of tanks? So what? Lay mines and hold a rifle while standing in Russia’s way. They starve? EU will send rations. Ukraine is bankrupt? They’ll send enough money to keep it going until Russia gives up. Do they have 3 – 4 million males under 60 left? A thousand a day takes maybe 9 years to finish off ?
Nobody could ever tell me how Russia takes Odessa. More than that, tell me how Ukraine is ever finished apart from an extermination that Russia can’t manage? The counteroffensive failure means nothing – because continuing the war indefinitely is the goal. How does Russia change that? Or are we depending on a US collapse that could take a decade or more?

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 21 2023 2:20 utc | 137

It wasn’t a final treaty, Putin didn’t say it was. It was a negotiation that was ongoing but the major points appear to have been agreed on in principle. It seems that many western fans of Russia simply refuse to understand that Putin did want this war. He didn’t want a war to defeat NATO. People are putting their own desires on Russia and Putin.
Nor did he show it to the African delegation to tell them their peace initiative was pointless. Putin would not have them come to Russia to embarrass them. He used the agreement to make his case to the RoW that he wanted to avoid this and was willing to negotiate in good faith, to not extract every possible concession. He was, as Russia has been doing for years and especially the last year, proving that Russia is not like the US. That it is honest (as a nation can be) and honorable.
That’s why Russia hasn’t terror bombed Ukraine into submission, and why it likely won’t… no matter how much western “supporters” of Russia think it should or decide that the Russian army has to march to Poland. The things many here consider “failures” of Russia are the core tenets of Russia’s actual “information war”. Putin is appealing to the rest of the world by not acting like White people have for the last 500 years.
If you scratch the surface of a lot of western imperialists you find the imperialist mindset deeply ingrained and inverted simply by being “against” the US empire while being for the methods of the US empire. We’re all lucky that what is likely the greatest actual military power in the world is lead by V.V. Putin, a man of reason, restraint and a remarkably humane person for the power he wields.

Posted by: Lex | Jun 21 2023 2:40 utc | 138

found that the military services used replacement costs rather than the book value of equipment that was pulled from Pentagon stocks and sent to Ukraine. She said final calculations show there was an error of $3.6 billion in the current fiscal year and $2.6 billion in the 2022 fiscal year, which ended last Sept. 30.
It is somewhat misleading to call it an error. Really it is much closer to being a choice. If they want to look as generous as possible, then they value the inventory as high as possible. Here, replacement cost. Because it is old stuff and the replacement stuff is probably overpriced, book value is going to be a lot lower. It is a way for the political class to make the war look less expensive. This isn’t really corruption, it is ‘inspired’ book keeping.
The big scandal with equipment is that they over pay for stuff that is often over engineered. Crazy expensive. The Patriot missiles cost three million a crack, or five, or something, and they fire two of them off at a time. They fired off, I think it was 36 in two minutes. Hey, a hundred and fifty million. The whole Patriot setup with a couple of launchers costs more than a thousand million dollars. You know, a billion.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 21 2023 2:53 utc | 139

Posted by: Lex | Jun 21 2023 2:40 utc | 137
“It wasn’t a final treaty, Putin didn’t say it was. It was a negotiation that was ongoing but the major points appear to have been agreed on in principle.”
It was a draft treaty. That “major points” were possibly agreed upon does not make it a treaty until it is signed by Putin and Zelensky and ratified by the parliaments of both Ukraine and Russia.
“It seems that many western fans of Russia simply refuse to understand that Putin did want this war. He didn’t want a war to defeat NATO. People are putting their own desires on Russia and Putin.”
I didn’t say he wanted a war to defeat NATO. I said he wanted a war to counter NATO strategic weapons in Poland and Romania and to remove Ukraine as ever being part of NATO, nor a threat to Russia with its military, nor a Nazi hot-bed. All of which he said in one context or another.
“Nor did he show it to the African delegation to tell them their peace initiative was pointless. Putin would not have them come to Russia to embarrass them.”
He didn’t beg them to come to Russia, he accepted it. Just as he accepted the Chinese “peace plan” – which has also gone nowhere and will go nowhere, as the Chinese no doubt understand. Now the Africans understand it, too, especially after their reception in Ukraine.
“He used the agreement to make his case to the RoW that he wanted to avoid this and was willing to negotiate in good faith…”
Which he has been saying all along as the Africans know very well. What he explicitly said in this instance was that Ukraine threw what he alleges was an acceptable initial draft treaty into the dustbin. If that isn’t educating the Africans on the nature of Ukraine and the West, I don’t know what is.
You’re the one imputing motives and intentions to Putin and his team. I’m pointing out the overall picture which relies on more statements from Putin and his team over a longer period of time than the start of the war and the last 24 hour news cycle. People who imagine that Putin has forgotten about the December, 2021, treaty proposals, or his repeated complaints and statements to his military about the threat of those NATO strategic weapons in Poland and Romania are the ones who don’t understand why this war was undertaken.
At least I hope that is the case – or Russia will lose this war, and the war against NATO, and Russia and Putin will then deserve whatever fate befalls them.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 3:05 utc | 140

Any truth in the reports that Israel is supplying 200 Merkava tanks to Ukraine?
I always thought of Israel as having a survivor mentality. But this is just downright reckless…if it is true.
They would be basically declaring themselves an enemy of Russia. Apart from risking their future in a BRICS led world, they would be risking Russia encouraging, and indeed facilitating all Israels enemies to enforce their version of a One State Solution…one where Palestine is the single existent state.

Posted by: littlereddot | Jun 21 2023 3:14 utc | 141

Posted by: littlereddot | Jun 21 2023 3:14 utc | 140
Watching Richard Medhurst right now discussing the disastrous Israeli Jenin incursion which was hit by pre-positioned IEDs. Imagine if Russia decides to support the Palestinians with Russian-made antitank and antiaircraft missiles. I doubt it will happen, but Israel should keep it in mind. Iran could turn Palestine into Lebanese Hezbollah if they really wanted to, although that would likely cause Israel to be even more brutal than they already are, if that’s possible.
What Russia could do, as many have advocated, is to allow Syria to use Russian AD against Israeli aircraft in Syria or even over Lebanon or the Med which is what Israel usually does to avoid Syrian AD.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 3:22 utc | 142

Posted by: littlereddot | Jun 21 2023 3:14 utc | 140 “Any truth in the reports that Israel is supplying 200 Merkava tanks to Ukraine?”
There is no truth in the matter. The Israeli tanks are being sold to Cyprus and Morocco. The Israeli’s said that the tanks can’t moved from those countries without their permission. That is a typical rule with arms sales.

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 21 2023 3:36 utc | 143

…….The Lindsey Grahams in the West will gleefully allocate multiple billions to buy weapons that for once won’t sit in warehouses but can be rained down on Russia as they come off the production line……
…..Of course, budgets can be allocated with the stroke of a pen whereas production lines take time to establish. It seems to me Russia is giving Ukraine/NATO that time….
.Posted by: Mike314159 | Jun 20 2023 23:05 utc | 96….
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Mike,
Very good point. You are most correct. The War Party will keep funding this global war; as long as they can sell cheap debt to fund it.
That is why de-dollarization is THE critical variable. De-dollarization ends the ability of the War Party to fund their war. De-dollarization will take some years.
Nect year just interest payments on the Federal Debt will be around 25% of tax receipts. (~17% of expenses).
Watch that space.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 21 2023 3:38 utc | 144

Listening to Alastair Crooke on Napolitano. He counters b’s analysis of Blinken’s visit by saying that the reason Blinken is there is because the US isn’t ready for war with China and is trying to buy time. He quotes the US general who said the US is preparing for war with China around 2025. I also think those who have suggested that Blinken wants China to pressure Russia to negotiate might also be right (and of course that isn’t going to happen.)
Napolitano also asks the right question: “What kind of sense does that make? [Referring to Blinken’s statement video] One China policy, Taiwan’s not independent, but we’re gonna make sure Taiwan can defend itself? He’s speaking out of three sides of his mouth!” Crooke responds that China doesn’t trust the US because of statements like that, more and more weapons are going into Taiwan, and it’s the same story we had in Ukraine.
i don’t know how b missed any of that with this ridiculous notion that the US is throwing in the towel on Ukraine and China.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 3:43 utc | 145

Nasrallah’s news Agency on. the Jenin Attack:

“The type of roadside bomb used against the armored IDF vehicles in Jenin on Monday unveiled disturbing military capabilities. This was not only a lone-wolf terrorist shooting at IDF soldiers or passing civilian Israeli motorists. Rather, the building and detonation of this type of bomb indicate a terrorist infrastructure in Jenin of a different league,” Keinon added.

Zionists in Distress: Israeli Deterrence Suffered Immensely in Jenin
The Palestinian Resistance needs no weapons from Russia or anyone else.
They have what they need, it is just left to do what must be done …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 21 2023 3:46 utc | 146

Posted by: Xin Loi | Jun 21 2023 0:50 utc | 117 “Could someone explain to me why Russia has not attempted to interdict resupply routes WITHIN UKRAINE?”
It is very hard to to that. Russia has struck a handful of bridges multiple times, one more than a half dozen time but the bridges are still functioning. They don’t seem to have the capability to do it at the scale necessary.
Look at all their attacks on the Zatoka bridge.
Some here will say it’s because the Russians want to destroy it at the front lines. But at the front lines it can kill Russian soldiers before it can be destroyed.

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 21 2023 3:46 utc | 147

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 20 2023 21:15 utc | 72 “Stratotankers are to be placed over the Black Sea and near Ukrainian-Polish border, levelled not very far from Rzeszów – Lamberg line. That all should be denied to NATO/Ukrainian dreamteam. We will see what really happens, I guess real soon.”
Nothing like that will happen. I’ll check in on this in 6 months.

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 21 2023 3:50 utc | 148

Alastair Crooke on Judging Freedom today was another good conversation as usual, but so much isn’t discussed, the Minsk agreements in particular and the bearing they have on the current context. Plus, it wasn’t just Biden who provoked the current situation–the policy continuity goes back to 1917 as Crooke hinted at for Donbass but not for the overall Big Picture. Same as with the opening remarks about the cause of the current economic malaise. I wonder how Hudson would fare with the Judge? Anyway, it was a worthy use of 23 minutes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 3:52 utc | 149

Posted by: Plebs | Jun 20 2023 18:27 utc “Russia stated that it will hit decision-making centers on Ukrainian territory. To me it seems like the US would trade a strike on Crimea for a hit on some bunker in Ukraine which can be denied any day of the week. ”
Ukraine has hit Crimea multiple times. And what is so special about Crimea? Clearly Ukraine hits Russian territory every day. They occupy parts of it too.

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 21 2023 3:58 utc | 150

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 20 2023 21:40 utc | 80
Got a link for that fault line targeting?
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 20 2023 22:26 utc | 86
Yeah, curious about the modeling used to figure out how many megatons is needed to move a fault line.
On January 19, 1968, a thermonuclear test, codenamed Faultless (part of Operation Crosstie), took place in the Central Nevada Supplemental Test Area produced a fresh fault rupture some 1200 meters long. That was a 1 megaton blast, sited hundreds of feet below ground.

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 21 2023 4:09 utc | 151

I see I was a tad late with my comment @148. So, I’ll add more. No critique on the crap that’re NATO weapons. It’s not that the Empire needs to manufacture more of the same; rather, it’s that the Empire needs to build a whole bunch of new gear across the entire spectrum that works and quickly. None of the current junk can beat either Russia or China, which is something I wrote in December 2021 and have been proven correct daily since. Taiwan is a sovereign Chinese province–Period–there’s no possibility of disputing that–Period.
Is Putin worried about a false flag? (It was very sly of Crooke to say 911, False Flag and Pearl Harbor all at the same time.) Contrary to what Crooke said, IMO the answer is no. Such stuff gets mentioned by Russia’s side in the Info War to reinforce the issue that the Ukies are Nazis as is NATO, and Nazis will stop at nothing to attain their goals. The film at SPIEF was a timely reminder that Nazis are capable of the most terrible crimes and smile about it all afterwards.
Also, the Judge didn’t ask if Crooke thought Russia would wage a counter-attack with the failure of the Ukie offensive. IMO, that will be done to create more facts on the ground with Odessa being the goal. But first, a few more days of eliminating 1K Ukie troops per and lots of NATO gear.
And the African effort was excellent as was Putin’s use of it. IMO, it sealed the support of any wavering RoW entity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 4:14 utc | 152

@107:
Can your car hold that much gold?
No marigolds in the promised land…

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Jun 21 2023 4:23 utc | 153

If you scratch the surface of a lot of western imperialists you find the imperialist mindset deeply ingrained and inverted simply by being “against” the US empire while being for the methods of the US empire.
Posted by: Lex | Jun 21 2023 2:40 utc | 137
Exactly. They just don’t “buy” all this peace nonsense.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 21 2023 4:25 utc | 154

Posted by: Xin Loi | Jun 21 2023 0:50 utc | 117 “Could someone explain to me why Russia has not attempted to interdict resupply routes WITHIN UKRAINE?”
My reasoning has been that Russia wants to destroy weapons imports at or near the front:
* cos it gets operators as well;
* cos its EXTRA demoralising to be trained and set up to roll and THEN destroyed;
* cos it fucks up planned ops if they are hit just before striking;
* to show/count the losses for better PR;
* to deplete and deplete and deplete NATO relentlessly IN BATTLE not just on the road to show greater military prowess;
* cos MI6 in charge of it are very tricky at sneaky import and transit; * cos seeing and identifying EVERY truck, bus, utility, train going west to east across Ukraine is very intel and missile intensive, and may contain civilian drivers.
Basically, lots of better at-the-front “cures” than cross country “preventions”. Remember, #1 aim — kill AFUs. The weapons are the honeypot, the glue which brings them into the RF Army sights and reach. It’s like a teacher taking the stick away from a playground bully in the name of peace. It doesn’t work as well as letting them get beat up with their own stick by a stronger fighter.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jun 21 2023 4:27 utc | 155

ridiculous notion that the US is throwing in the towel on Ukraine and China.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 3:43 utc | 144
____________
Buying time no doubt. These people more like zombies in search of flesh will only stop unless destroyed.

Posted by: John2007 | Jun 21 2023 4:27 utc | 156

“Geologists believe that the Yellowstone supervolcano could explode at any moment. There are signs of growing activity there. Therefore it suffices to push the relatively small, for example the impact of the munition megaton class to initiate an eruption. The consequences will be catastrophic for the United States – a country just disappears,” he said.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/russian-analyst-urges-nuclear-attack-on-yellowstone-national-park-and-san-andreas-fault-line-20150331-1mbl14.html
an old story from 2015.

Posted by: hankster | Jun 21 2023 4:34 utc | 157

103 Your assuming you get to the vault and its not empty with a big IOU piece of paper left on a table

Posted by: hankster | Jun 21 2023 4:37 utc | 158

the “nukes on fault lines” discussion is fascinating, but that’s not what keeps me up at night, it’s a strike on the Yellowstone caldera with a bunker buster nuke…
there are theories that it could cause a major eruption that would bury everything east of Montana in 6 feet of ash.
the other thing that concerns me is that there are over one hundred dams that hold back 1 million + acre feet of water, any number of which are upstream from major US population centers and military installations. those dams could be hit with conventional hypersonics and cause insane damage downstream.

Posted by: Oldcutlas | Jun 21 2023 5:04 utc | 159

Kennedy’s speech today on Peace & Diplomacy is more important than anything being expressed here.
https://youtu.be/z59vaHQ3zPE?t=2707

Posted by: windjammer | Jun 21 2023 5:11 utc | 160

Listening to Scott Ritter on his “Ask The Inspector”…
Someone just asked him about Blinken’s statement on Taiwan. Ritter just agreed that “freedom of navigation” does not apply to the Taiwan Straits because they are between two parts of a sovereign nation under the One China policy. He says the US is violating international law by sailing through those Straits and he said, “The Chinese finally said, ‘Screw it! We’re done! We’re challenging every ship you send through…’ They’re gonna make Americans life a living hell, every American ship that goes through the Straits is going to be challenged…and it could trigger a war that cause those ships to be sunk quickly – and that’s the reality. The admirals wake up every morning and ask, ‘Is this any way we can prevent the Chinese from sinking all of our ships?’…and the answer is, ‘No’…” He goes on to discuss the upcoming Taiwan elections and such.
Interesting in light of b’s comments and the discussion about this precise issue earlier.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 5:12 utc | 161

Posted by: hankster | Jun 21 2023 4:37 utc | 157
Good point. We might as well stick to the idea of going to LA and picking up some of my favorite babes, then.
Here’s another one I would be interested in running off to South America with: Skyler Samuels
https://wallpapercrafter.com/desktop8/1968595-4K-American-actress-Skyler-Samuels-2K.jpg

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 5:15 utc | 162

Richard,
After the world ends, you‘d much rather have a chubby farm gal who knows how to keep chickens, can berries from the woods out back, and wields a mean wooden spoon instead of a high maintence starlet who thinks cooking is re-heating doordash in the microwave.
🙂

Posted by: Exile | Jun 21 2023 5:38 utc | 163

Today I had the misfortune of driving 14 hours across Nritish Columbia, Canada listening to CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, our government media. Not a peep about Ukraine, Nada! Considering we have contributed substantially in funds and hardware, even seizing Russian assets, one would thing the headline news would say something.
Then, after the news, the flagship program “As It Happens” aired. This is a current events program that usually debates/discusses world events. Ida Amin was interviewed years ago, Yassar Arafat, Sadam Hussein, Presidents, Prime Ministers, “War Lords”, “Rebels” of all stripes. Today, in the midst of all the unfolding events in the Baltics they discussed a fake horse used as a land mark on a street corner that was taken away!

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jun 21 2023 5:42 utc | 164

159 I liked kennedy until i saw him shilling for Israel saying they dont kill little kids unless they have to.

Posted by: hankster | Jun 21 2023 5:51 utc | 165

Ray Mcgovern said on twitter the potential ZNPP strike or sabotage would actually be a potential response to the failed AFU counteroffensive, which is the decision of Nuland.
If you think of it. After Bakhmut there was RU Freedom Corps invading Shebekino region (now dead or dumped), then cover for failed attack was the dam, and next step cover for failed offensive ZNPP.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 21 2023 5:56 utc | 166

It could be the counteroffensive and that bit about the Sea of Azov was a distraction. If you listen to what is being said in the media, the real goal here is to reach that nuclear power plant and blame on Russia whatever happens next.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 21 2023 6:32 utc | 167

It’s funny to see who got the memo to start to get out of the Ukraine desaster. And who still plays yesterdays role.
While some people (Nato, US) started to counter Selenskis begging with achievements they want to see from Ukraine first – others announce new commitments to the great black hole. EU 50 billion general help – basically state financing. Germany’s Baerbock a program for the rebuild of Ukraine into Selenskis (probably substance fuled) vision. The overall sum the US invested in this war, and more, just within a day.
Our EU manchurian candidates do an excellent job. Waiting for the TV talkshows to propagate “Send more Submarines”.

Posted by: Ruediger | Jun 21 2023 6:42 utc | 168

Posted by: Exile | Jun 21 2023 5:38 utc | 162
Hell, no. I’ll do my own cooking, I do now (as long as I can heat it in a microwave or on a indoor grill or a hot pot.)
I think most of these preppers who think living on a rural farm is the only way to go are going to be in for a surprise how hard that is to do if you haven’t grown up doing it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 7:15 utc | 169

Listening to Larry Johnson on The Duran… He used his simile of the Ukrainian offensive being a Hollywood blockbuster that is hyped to the skies and then turns into a flop when it arrives.
It occurs to me that the Ukraine offensive should be referred to as “The Flash Offensive” – since it appears the new DC movie is becoming a flop and has been panned by most of the critics I’ve read so far. Some people on Twitter are saying the canceled Batgirl movie which never made it to the theaters would have had a better chance than “The Flash”.
So let’s call the Ukraine offensive “The Flash Offensive” – since it came and went like “The Flash” and was a flop.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 7:25 utc | 170

as long as I can heat it in a microwave or …
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 7:15 utc | 168

Do tell how you will preserve your food without electricity?

Posted by: too scents | Jun 21 2023 7:32 utc | 171

Ray Mcgovern said on twitter the potential ZNPP strike or sabotage would actually be a potential response to the failed AFU counteroffensive
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 21 2023 5:56 utc | 165
Well… the offensive is a failure but the smo is also dead since Wagner left. No more liberation, the entire army of 5 soldiers has to fight the little offensive and the daily hundreds of shells in Belgorod is an embarrassment on another level.
The great minds of the general staff have chosen to fight inside their own npp. It was their intellectual choice to do so for more than a year. Let them “enjoy” the results and express concern on social media

Posted by: rk | Jun 21 2023 7:34 utc | 172

Posted by: too scents | Jun 21 2023 7:32 utc | 171
Well, you can soak rice and eat it without cooking it. 🙂
That’s why I’d go to South America or someplace where people still have food and electricity or at least can cook over a fire. That’s why I say remaining in country during a nuclear war is likely a bad idea.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 7:41 utc | 173

Posted by: Ruediger | Jun 21 2023 6:42 utc | 168
If only they really were Manchurian candidates Europe would be kicking the USA out and signing up for high speed rail and all that other belt and road stuff.
Instead they have the CIA candidates running the show so it is economic ruin and fascism for Europe.

Posted by: badjoke | Jun 21 2023 7:41 utc | 174

[174]
Who do you think developed high-speed rail ?
Have you even hear of ICE or TGV ?
Are you living in the American Vale of Ignorance ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 21 2023 7:44 utc | 175

Well, you can soak rice and eat it without cooking it. 🙂
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 7:41 utc | 173

Have you ever threshed grain?
Western people can’t wipe their ass without toilet paper.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 21 2023 7:45 utc | 176

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 21 2023 7:44 utc | 175
Slower older and not that expansive. Laos now has as much as France. But hey keep pretending Europe is going to be able to keep any of that working once the last of the gas pipeline gets shut down at the end of the year.

Posted by: badjoke | Jun 21 2023 7:47 utc | 177

Die herrschende Elite ist zunehmend wütend und verbittert darüber, dass die Beherrschten nicht mehr zuhören; die Beherrschten ihrerseits sind verbittert darüber, dass das System so offensichtlich nicht in ihrem Interesse handelt und nicht einmal mehr so tut, als würde es das. Vielleicht wachen wir eines Tages auf und stellen fest, dass weder die Politiker noch die Wähler glauben, dass die ‘Demokratie’ ihnen noch viel nützt.
Dies spiegelt sehr gut das Gefühl wider, dass das Überleben der westlichen Zivilisation auf dem Spiel steht. Dieser Prozess wird die westliche Politik wahrscheinlich entlang einer neuen Bruchlinie umgestalten, die sich in der Konfrontation zwischen denjenigen, die eine “grüne” Umgestaltung der menschlichen Gesellschaft, eine “Trans”-Welt für Kinder, eine einfache Einwanderung, die radikale Neuordnung der Macht zwischen den “Identitäts”-Gruppen in der Gesellschaft und eine Veränderung des Wesens der westlichen Kultur wünschen, und denjenigen, die all dies entschieden ablehnen, ausdrückt.
(gelesen bei Alastair Crooke)

Posted by: Oberbayer | Jun 21 2023 8:00 utc | 178

Some may see this prepper stuff as a derailment…
I don’t, I think its ‘topical’ for where we are right now.
See through the gallows humour thats just sweetener for the bitter pill.
But this is a sereous and necessary journey / process to force our minds to face and deal with the shocking reality. The enormity of all our situations.
If anyone thinks this is crazy then they really need to wake up.
To pretend everything is normal in a abnormal situation is irrational.
Just saying.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2023 8:03 utc | 179

“Can we stop the nuke porn?” Nope, everybody is talking about and there is no smoke without fire. It should be clear by now the West does not care about the Ukies, so there go the Ukies. And as Ms. Nuland said, f-k the EU, so there goes the EU. The counteroffensive had no clearly stated and realistic goal to begin with but. like any other crisis, it cannot be allowed to go to waste. If it was the Brits who blew up the dam, guess what they will also be able to do. Btw, has anybody explained why else the dam was destroyed?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 21 2023 8:17 utc | 180

Military summary:
-UKR plows more stuff near Kremennaya, and Slavyansk, including from the Polish border
-UKR weak in Marinka and south of it due to redeploying stuff away from there, as a result this compromises Novomikhaloivka for AFU (south of Marinka)
-some recon in force actions in Gulyapole area, AFU has approx. 2 mech / 1 tank / 1 arty Bde. and maybe some support units
-AFU also deployed lot of stuff north of Bakhmut, Soledar
-Nato security guarantee for UKR probably means non-Nato flag force replacing AFU garrison in the west i.e. Belarus border

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 21 2023 8:33 utc | 181

Biden called Xi Jinping a dictator
1. Some are wondering why Biden called Xi Jinping a dictator literally the day after Blinken’s visit, which some media were quick to call successful.
2. If we discard the rhetorical statements of the United States and China during Blinken’s visit, there was no reason to believe that the visit was successful. Rather, on the contrary, yesterday the United States said that China refused to restore communication channels between the PLA and the Pentagon. This already overlapped the usual rhetoric of China about the fundamental interests in Taiwan and the usual rhetoric of the United States about the refusal to support Taiwan’s independence.
3. The fact is that China will never give up control over Taiwan, and the United States will not give up plans to use Taiwan as an anti-Chinese tool. Blinken and Xi Jinping’s negotiations could not and could not change this fact. A serious improvement in US-China relations could occur only if the US completely refuses to use Taiwan as an “Asian Ukraine”. Which obviously didn’t happen and won’t happen. It is also obvious that China will not abandon the course of building a multipolar world, which obviously undermines American hegemony, which the United States is not able to abandon.
4. Biden’s acrimonious accusations against Xi Jinping that he is a dictator reflect, on the one hand, the failure of Blinken’s visit, and on the other hand, the continuing escalation of the conflict between the United States and China, where it is certainly not the old senile, but the general course of the American establishment to war against China, which is positioned at the doctrinal level as the main enemy of the United States along with Russia.
5. The United States would like to regulate the speed of movement towards a collision in one way or another, as they did in Ukraine using the Minsk Agreements to regulate the speed of the crisis. The United States openly declares that China will be ready for the Taiwan crisis by 2027, so it is logical (from their point of view) they can force the aggravation through various provocations – both verbal (like Biden’s chatter) and actual, by sending weapons and American advisers to Taiwan. Therefore, there will be no escalation freeze around Taiwan, as well as in US-Chinese relations.
CC

Posted by: Fives | Jun 21 2023 8:34 utc | 182

@ Tim2 | Jun 21 2023 3:50 utc | 148
Nothing like that will happen. I’ll check in on this in 6 months.
Best is to keep an eye on the situation all the time.
That is what NATO is training since ever and is intensively practising such runs for a year, almost daily. There is tangible evidence for that.
What other conclusion might be there, contrary to the claim that it will not happen? I doubt they do it just for the kicks.
I am more afraid of Erdoğan and him lending his airspace and letting
NATO to use chain of the Black Sea airports, as a jump-off bases that are mere minutes from Crimea and southern frontlines.
He is not obliged to do that, but he is treacherous-capable partner of RF.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 21 2023 8:34 utc | 183

Talk of nuclear war should be banned. It tends to elevate it to a viable option. I for one, would not like to see the planet destroyed because a bunch of zionist neocons might loose control of the USD printing press.

Posted by: Jj | Jun 21 2023 8:35 utc | 184

@ Zanon | Jun 21 2023 8:17 utc | 181
This immense ground force is essentially going to prevent Russia from achieving its SMO goals.
…by obstructing RF forces heading Westwards, tripping on piles of NATO dead soldiers and thier equipment.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 21 2023 8:49 utc | 185

It seems all the Ukraine frontline analysts (milsummary, dpa, weeb…) have the same theme today. Its something along the line of “ukraine is done, NATO is coming”.
Any suggestions why they are so convinced about a mass of nato boots on the ground in the near future?

Posted by: Orgel | Jun 21 2023 8:55 utc | 186

Talk of nuclear war should be banned. It tends to elevate it to a viable option.
Posted by: Jj | Jun 21 2023 8:35 utc | 185

Yeah. I filter out the frequent offenders here, so I don’t see their barroom floor pukes any more.

Posted by: GT Stroller | Jun 21 2023 8:55 utc | 187

[183]
Maybe US should give up Hawaii ?
Maybe US should relinquish Diego Garcia ?
Maybe US should relinquish Okinawa ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 21 2023 8:59 utc | 188

[181]
Dream on !
Russia is ready to kill anything that moves in Ukraine and take decades doing so
Poland will implode
No Western or Asian economy will invest in Poland now and it will watch its manpower head for the exit
Romania is nothing just as it folded at Stalingrad
NATO is homeowners‘ insurance and will refuse payout just as Germany refused to defend Turkey against Saddam
Poles are suicidal but always ineffectual and we’re regarded as least reliable in Warsaw Pact

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 21 2023 9:04 utc | 189

@Fives | Jun 21 2023 8:34 utc | 183
Yes, calling Xi a dictator right after the meeting looks like the visit did not end how US expected. But Indian Modi is full of ass kissing in US these days, will buy lots of weapons from them, begs for Tesla factories, great love. The only thing that made them really sad was that he answered that he wants peace in Ukr.

Posted by: rk | Jun 21 2023 9:05 utc | 190

Any suggestions why they are so convinced about a mass of nato boots on the ground in the near future?
Posted by: Orgel | Jun 21 2023 8:55 utc | 187
Just a change of footgear. And semantics.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 21 2023 9:06 utc | 191

Russia: if Ukraine joins NATO, it’s war.
France: we’ll let Ukraine join NATO if Ukraine signs a truce with Russia.
Being disingenious is too soft a word for it.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 21 2023 9:06 utc | 192

[177]
You are deluded I travel on new ICE often and see tons of TGV to connect to
Why you think Europe has no electricity beats me – trains run just fine. You must be American to take such joy in inflicting misery in Europe

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 21 2023 9:07 utc | 193

Biden called Xi Jinping a dictator
Posted by: Fives | Jun 21 2023 8:34 utc | 183

Well, nevermind. If the US american people don’t like what Biden says, they can vote him out after a few years. The people of China don’t get that sort of option with Xi Jinping.

Posted by: GT Stroller | Jun 21 2023 9:07 utc | 194

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 21 2023 9:04 utc | 190
Most likely RU will be in Ukraine for the long haul (i.e. forever) and will kill everything Nato tries to plow in, whether they carry Nato flag or not. After all it is their back yard, not the US or UK back yard. They are improving their positions inside Ukraine with every way, while Nato capabilities are continuously reduced to more provocations, PR stunts and cannon fodder tactics.
Putin said they will defeat Nato in Ukraine regardless what Nato weapons go there and even regardless whether Euronato armies go in there or not.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 21 2023 9:09 utc | 195

[177]
BTW Laos had no passenger railway until China built 414km line but France started 1981 and has at least 2800km
You must be 🇺🇸 to be so loudmouth and ignorantly wrong

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 21 2023 9:11 utc | 196

re: history of US post WWII dominance – NSC-68:
sad enough the major strata of the NSC outlines of 1949/50 are still undisputed:
US world hegemony is the one and only limit of imagination of its establishment.
Zero learning for 80 years.
Wrong then.
Still sticking to it now.
To quote in length some Chomsky who himself got much of this via John Lewis Gaddis, the hegemons´ historian:
Chomsky about the core ideological document NSC 68:
„(…) The “fundamental design of the Kremlin,” NSC 68 author Paul Nitze explains, is “the complete subversion or forcible destruction of the machinery of government and structure of society” in every corner of the world that is not yet “subservient to and controlled from the Kremlin.” “The implacable purpose of the slave state [is] to eliminate the challenge of freedom” everywhere. The “compulsion” of the Kremlin “demands total power over all men” in the slave state itself and “absolute authority over the rest of the world.” The force of evil is “inescapably militant,” so that no accommodation or peaceful settlement is even thinkable.
In contrast, the “fundamental purpose of the United States” is “to assure the integrity and vitality of our free society, which is founded upon the dignity and worth of the individual,” and to safeguard these values throughout the world. Our free society is marked by “marvelous diversity,” “deep tolerance,” “lawfulness,” a commitment “to create and maintain an environment in which every individual has the opportunity to realize his creative powers.” It “does not fear, it welcomes, diversity” and “derives its strength from its hospitality even to antipathetic ideas.” The “system of values which animates our society” includes “the principles of freedom, tolerance, the importance of the individual and the supremacy of reason over will.” “The essential tolerance of our world outlook, our generous and constructive impulses, and the absence of covetousness in our international relations are assets of potentially enormous influence,”
(…).
The conflict between the forces of light and of darkness is “momentous, involving the fulfillment or destruction not only of this Republic but of civilization itself.” “The assault on free institutions is world-wide,” and “imposes on us, in our own interests, the responsibility of world leadership.” We must seek “to foster a world environment in which the American system can survive and flourish.” Since “a defeat of free institutions anywhere is a defeat everywhere,” no corner of the world, however tiny and insignificant, can escape our ministrations. And surely “the idea that Germany or Japan or other important areas can exist as islands of neutrality in a divided world is unreal, given the Kremlin design for world domination.” Five years after the USSR was virtually annihilated by the Axis powers, they must be reconstituted within a U.S.-dominated alliance committed to the final elimination of the Soviet system that they failed to destroy. (…)“
sources:
https://info.publicintelligence.net/US-NSC-68.pdf
Paul Nitze (who would replace the less hawkish Kennan in the NSC circle at that time)
https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/139678/1994-09_NSC68_Forging_Strategy.pdf
In fact Nitze and Kennan had a life-long enmity over this.
An interesting addendum to this is Nicolai Petro who referred to NSC-68 just past february when musing about possible US malevolence towards RUssia today.
(Pleae remember, Petro is an establihment historian with tenure. There are limits to what he can say openly. Whether he thinks the same in private is unkown and doesn´t matter for the public dicourse on this level):
“All this hints at the existence of a long term U.S. foreign policy strategy that outside observers can only guess at. I would not be at all surprised if, thirty years from now, future historians learned of the existence of a new NSC-68—America’s 1950 blueprint for conducting the Cold War—cooked up within the Biden administration in anticipation of just such a confrontation. After all, the contents of NSC-68 itself, although rumored about for years, were only revealed in 1975.”
see:
https://usrussiaaccord.org/nicolai-n-petro-cold-war-realism-lessons-for-ukraine/#more-6601

Posted by: AG | Jun 21 2023 9:13 utc | 197

Saw today in the Sydney Morning Herald, this piece of nonsense now circulating MSM through Reuters.
>>>”Most terrifying is that the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant was mined by Russia … namely the cooling pond was mined,” Kyrylo Budanov, head of the GUR agency”.
Posted by: The Dolphin | Jun 21 2023 0:09 utc | 110
Exactly.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 21 2023 9:18 utc | 198

Naked Capitalism on a study about the limited cost/increased profit of the war on short-term outlook:

The Economic Effects of Military Support for Ukraine: Evidence from Fiscal Multipliers in Donor Countries
Posted on June 21, 2023 by Yves Smith
Yves here. Depressing, but not entirely surprising. Military Keynesianism is making arming Ukraine less costly than it seems due to its impact on GDP growth. But this beneficial-only-in-the-eyes-of-economists spending does not include the direct subsidy of the Ukraine government budget, which has also become a very big ticket item.”
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/06/the-economic-effects-of-military-support-for-ukraine-evidence-from-fiscal-multipliers-in-donor-countries.html
in case the original source with footnotes would be:
https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/economic-effects-military-support-ukraine-evidence-fiscal-multipliers-donor-countries

Posted by: AG | Jun 21 2023 9:22 utc | 199

Posted by: AG | Jun 21 2023 9:13 utc | 198
RE NSC 68: What I see is the usual massive projection of intentions and motives onto the enemy. This is not thinking or planning.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 21 2023 9:23 utc | 200