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June 17, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-142
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@ natokraine | Jun 18 2023 10:32 utc | 279
a creative response! i will hold the thought for future reference.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Jun 18 2023 14:48 utc | 301
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/33823
❗️ The peacekeeping mission of African countries should start direct negotiations with NATO to resolve the Ukrainian crisis, since Zelensky cannot make an important decision on his own without the approval of the North Atlantic Alliance – Supra Mahumapelo, chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations and Cooperation of the South African Parliament.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 18 2023 14:51 utc | 302
Putin’s inconsistency between his (and the RF’s) official policy regarding vaccine mandates and his directives to regional authorities regarding mandatory vaccination are another example.
Posted by: Ciaran | Jun 18 2023 14:12 utc | 305
Which precisely inconsistency you mean?
Those, who are not as dumb as you pretend to be, remember that by the 2019 Russia already knew about American bio-labs around it’s border, and Covid from the very srart had “American Op” written all aver it. So, which inconsistency you can name, concidering all this?
Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 18 2023 14:54 utc | 303
Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 18 2023 13:09 utc | 298
It is only plausible if you ignore the internet, you know things like Zoom. And wouldn’t these people be working 24 hours a day?
These a re facilities with secure I.T and communications infrastructure as well as classified processes. You don’t want anyone doing anything over “Zoom”, ever …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 18 2023 15:01 utc | 304
In 1997, he [Vladimir Putin] received his Ph.D. in economics (Candidate of Economic Sciences) at the Saint Petersburg Mining University for a thesis on the strategic planning of the mineral economy.
The man is literally doing his second thesis as we speak …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 18 2023 15:17 utc | 305
English Outsider | Jun 17 2023 19:58 utc | 89,
Thank you for a wonderfully concise contribution to the Ukraine Thread. I realise it was response (on going conversation) but even reading it in isolation was rewarding.
whirlX | Jun 17 2023 20:04 utc | 92, who wrote I tend to think that disinfo is strong with this one.
I agree.
Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jun 17 2023 20:28 utc | 105
I had the same impression about how well that entry (at #89) was – half way through reading it, I became impressed with the content and out of curiosity took a look at the end of it, to see who wrote it – No surprise – it was EO…
The thoughts of English Outsider are very similar to those of Jeffrey Sachs, at the meeting in Vienna,
https://youtu.be/RVMnfNCSGtQ
Sachs is not pulling any punches and says directly that Russia was provoked, and that Putin tried hard to get to some agreement with USA.
Posted by: fanto | Jun 18 2023 15:59 utc | 306
Posted by: Ingolf Eide | Jun 18 2023 3:35 utc | 200
It is arrogant for me to chime in the discussion between English Outsider, Sushi, Eide, and others in the ‘bar’. But in my humble opinion, the onus of the Ukraine/Russian tragedy lies with the few hundreds of the ‘elite’ in USA and EU (as Jeffrey Sachs courageously says in his talk in Vienna, which I have linked to in my previous post today). The European governments collusion with the USA is the product of the insidious machinations of that USA – to subvert the governments, by getting in the ‘trojan horses’ like the Green party leadership in Germany, by getting ‘Macrons’, in the ruling class.
It was a long and ‘hard’ work to get the academic circles and mass media – on both sides of Atlantic – fully in collaboration with the Russophobia project. There is probably more to the deeper roots, than I have indicated.
Posted by: fanto | Jun 18 2023 16:24 utc | 307
Russia does not have more nukes than the rest of the world combined.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/264435/number-of-nuclear-warheads-worldwide/
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 18 2023 17:36 utc | 308
@clueless 290
re: Bucha vs. peace deal
thx for the specifics of the decree.
I have read Baud´s book on the issue, where the here discussed peace treaty vs. Bucha sit. is mentioned. Baud´s footnote refers to the fact that DESPITE Zelensky in Bucha he publicly still spoke of possible negotiations.
So as that public level of info goes it was only later, namely when BO-JO visited via “Blitz”, did Kiev end negotiations.
Baud therefore suggests it was Bo-Jo not Bucha.
In summer with Turkey this basically was replicated,I think Craig Murray in some way confirmed this, who was in Turkey at about that same time, privately of course.
in case, Baud interview from 30/5/23
https://swiss-standpoint.ch/news-detailansicht-en-international/this-crisis-shows-us-the-weakness-of-our-society.html
HE will be in Germany in July to give talk(s).
I had the same idea with The Duran.
So thx. I hope they do that.
But may be I drop an email, too.
Posted by: AG | Jun 18 2023 18:06 utc | 309
Posted by: fanto | Jun 18 2023 16:24 utc | 312
No question of arrogance, fanto . . . we’re all just trying to figure things out. I’ve read b’s posts for a long time but have only recently joined in and am greatly impressed by the depth and quality of conversation here.
I think you’re right that this slowly unfolding train wreck is primarily driven by a relatively small group.
Posted by: Ingolf Eide | Jun 18 2023 23:29 utc | 310
Posted by Ingolf Eide @315
Thanks for your reply. Just to correct any misunderstanding – I do not claim that this is my original idea that the problem in the Western politics is caused by a relatively small group of closely knit people – but it was mentioned in Jeffrey Sachs – “perhaps few hundred people” in his talk in Vienna, (the link to it is in my earlier comment in this thread). I thought that the MIC and other lobbies are much more numerous.
His words really jarred me, because I did not think that this group was that small. He is in hugely better position to estimate this, as a long time insider in the high circles of academia and government.
Posted by: fanto | Jun 19 2023 0:31 utc | 311
The aforementioned petition to “get Alexander Mercouris off YouTube”:
26 signatures since Feb 21, 2023
Lol swing and miss, Nazi fanboys
Posted by: nwwoods | Jun 23 2023 0:09 utc | 312