Re: Posted by: Plebs | Jun 15 2023 22:30 utc | 184
Karaganovs RT print:
Did John McCain take over his body & mind?
Total trash, subtle, vile, manipulative, western style neocon, neoliberal-global thinker (gosh, didn’t the USA save millions of lives and end WW2 by dropping nukes in Japan… it was for “the greater good”?? for the “future right?
As if Russia dropping “one or 2 nukes” would “scare” the West into taking Nukes “serious” again?
Seriously?? These folks are loose screws, deranged, and worst of all, deluded!
Anyways, his suggested “doctrine” change came right out of the Atlantic Council think tanks… complete with a mesmerizing “utopia” for all after this “show of power”…
All I can say, is if Russia sees an valid existential threat coming their way… they best unload all 5000 of those suckers everywhere across the Western world , on every “central command center “ known to the Western world if they want to preserve if possible, even a few provinces in the end.
A couple Nukes and global cum-ba-yah is heralded in with a clapping China & India… pffff…
The man is an evil subtle snake looking to poison Russia.
Russia is doing fine. It’s work, it’s sacrifice, it’s long suffering. But in the end, Russia will be intact, stronger and greater. As the West erodes, withers and eventually fades into a small meaningless land mass like the Great Empire of the Great Britain did b4 it, US will be a byword, forgotten and irrelevant.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 15 2023 23:19 utc | 204

Posted by: Cerena | Jun 15 2023 23:12 utc | 204
“Russia is dealing with a mighty gangster organization staffed with purebred psychopaths. Psychopathy has specific neurological correlates that cannot be fixed by talks and good deeds. The big shots of the Finacial Squid and the Corporate Fascists must be given a very frightening lesson.”
Yes. Unfortunately shallow emotions with weak or lacking fright are also part of the psychopathic condition as is typically a missing or reduced capacity for ‘pathological learning’, in other words punishment does not deter a psychopath from repeating the offense as it would a ‘normal’ person.

Posted by: Leser | Jun 15 2023 23:24 utc | 206

Remember, Neocon lovers, Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland and her clan have no reverse gear:
https://jamesburrillangell.substack.com/p/strange-diplomacy-victoria-fck-the
Posted by: Doim | Jun 15 2023 15:24 utc | 65
Correct. Straussians (neo-talmudists) are devoid of conscience and shame. “The EU brought to its knees by the Straussians,” by Thierry Meyssan: https://www.voltairenet.org/article217976.html
“A US grouping, constituted around the thought of the philosopher Leo Strauss, controls from now on both the Secretariat of Defense and the Secretariat of State. After having organized many wars since those of Yugoslavia, they imagined the one in Ukraine. …The Straussians wrote, as early as 1992, that they would not hesitate to destroy Germany and the EU. …
One of the characteristics of this group is that they are ready for anything. … In 2000, Paul Wolfowitz was the main speaker at a large Ukrainian-US symposium in Washington, organized by Ukrainian “integral nationalists” [neo-Nazis] who had taken refuge in the USA. There he pledged to support independent Ukraine, to provoke Russia to go to war with it, and ultimately to finance the destruction of the resurgent rival of the USA.
These commitments were implemented with the passage of the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 on April 28, 2022. Ukraine is now exempt from all arms control procedures, including end-use certificates. Very expensive weapons are leased by the USA to the EU to defend Ukraine. When the war is over, the Europeans will have to pay for what they have consumed. And the bill will be heavy.”
The Straussian Paul Wolfowitz is the author of the famous doctrine of full-spectrum dominance, which is a neo-talmudic manifesto of world domination by a selected group of people. All “other people,” who constitute humanity at large, are treated by neo-talmudists as subhuman.
Take note that the collaboration of Zionists with Banderites began long before the Zionist-Nazi putsch in Kiev in 2014. Already in 1997, Kagans (rabid Zionists) invited Dobriansky (a committed Banderite) to be a signatory of the PNAC, a precursor of Wolfowitz’s manifesto.

Posted by: Cerena | Jun 15 2023 23:27 utc | 208

@snake | Jun 15 2023 20:46 utc | 157
“<=so what does it all mean? " => It mean that your comment was written by chatGPT

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Jun 15 2023 23:31 utc | 210

@The Dolphin | Jun 15 2023 22:59 utc | 196
Thanks for the update on Prokopenko – I fully share your sentiments on this Finnish-Ukrainian piece of odious criminal nazi sh1te …

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 15 2023 23:47 utc | 212

The Dolphin | Jun 15 2023 23:12 utc | 203
A small interjection. A CV is worth reviewing.
Anything Atlantic Council, CFR, Georgetown University, NED or a Soros funded NGO, or a Bill Gates funded entity. (Along with many affiliates)
Tells you who you are dealing with. And what they are selling.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 15 2023 23:59 utc | 214

@SIXTUS V | Jun 15 2023 23:13 utc | 205
‘Tis a mystery so ’tis – or maybe even a miracle – a miraculous opening of the floodgates all by itself having been sanctified by the blessed Himars from on-high in recent months ..
Perhaps Sixtus V you might use the papal pejorative to convene an enclave of the elect to investigate and to declare the area as ‘sacred ground’ for the foreseeable future … All hail the blessed Himars and the power of the flood …

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 16 2023 0:01 utc | 216

Russia just needs to state, verbatum, “All options are on the table”, like the wicked warmongers of the west always say before they bomb a civilization into the rubble of civil war.
Watch the west cry about it being a threat to use nukes.

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2023 0:05 utc | 218

@Posted by: The Dolphin | Jun 16 2023 0:04 utc | 220
They are largely ignored in Irish MSM … one op-ed in Irish Times last year ….
… followers of Clare Daly and Mick Wallace are small enough but active – and will be much more active as the battle to preserve Irish Neutrality – despite huge US and UK pressure – hots up …
Just keep an eye out for any ‘strange explosion’ off Irish South Coast

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 16 2023 0:16 utc | 220

Event x,y,z will be next week and the dam will be like the nuke plant , just another controversy in a long list. Does it really matter, would western MSM report it? Does RF MOD telegram need to be proven innocent? RF isnt playing for PR much to many peoples dismay as noted here. Id counter that RF is holding cards close knowing there will be action but not just immediately to satisfy those with righteous indignation

Posted by: hankster | Jun 16 2023 0:19 utc | 222

217 Totally. CV of Mi6 operatives/ journalists is easily deciphered. From the schools and courses they take. Then we get to the words they write.

Posted by: hankster | Jun 16 2023 0:22 utc | 224

Big global cyberattack underway today affecting many us instituitions. Blame is on russian cyber units. I read a post purported to be by them that the banking system is next, i await somewhat apprehensively.

Posted by: Oh | Jun 16 2023 0:27 utc | 226

Via Telegram lordofwar:
It looks like someone from Ukraine is flying to the USA: either high-ranking Ukrainians (hardly Zelensky, he is meeting with the President of South Africa tomorrow), or wounded/killed Americans
https://t.me/llordofwar/158152
Last nights Odessa strikes may have hit paydirt!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 16 2023 0:37 utc | 228

Speaking of Nazis – any update on Prokopenko?
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 15 2023 16:10 utc | 80

(I opted for lazy copypasta formatting).
So… I dialed up 1980 and told them how 2023 looks like. Afterwards I only got silence on the line so now I’m a little worried if they’re okay “back there” 😛
Jokingly trying to imagine how we would all (or at least most people, certainly me) have reacted to the nonchalant yet all too serious “Speaking of nazis…”. The insanity of it all just cracked me up, this world is wildly absurd 🙂
Just me coping.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 16 2023 1:07 utc | 230

@ The Dolphin | Jun 16 2023 0:19 utc | 224
Very rightly so. RF has one relation towards EU as a block affiliated to NATO, but sees each and every country separate. Hungary, some other EU Eastern countries in detail, like Croatian president, but not PM that is a bit like a Serbian opposition that is illiterate enough to sell the country to the EU powerhouses for cents, like Slovak lefty groups, Czech peace movements, ex Eastern Germany, Austrians left and right etc.
Also those Irish hippies in European Parliament trying to convince quite eloquently, Yes men in there in vain. Uschi will get them in tatters, one day.
I never had great opinion about Orban, as he was really far right for my understanding. Cruel attitude on a people in need, when Merkel opened borders to Syrian and Mideast refugees. Hungarian Migrant-hunting militias along northern Serbian borders. But also having very conservative Christian views (when Vatican looks).
But he holds the ground, I must say, very well, unless he has a boating incident in Adriatic this summer.
French with a few positive examples were being autistic selfish bastards in RF’s view and will pay back every cent double, starting from two landing ships that ended up in Egypt.
Italians are slowly murmuring, too. Dutch are just stupefied on the spot.
I still think that maybe Finland has a good chance of being reconciled, as nobody sees the good reason for being enemies.
Germans lost huge market there, what more one can want?
Through such chaos, RF can see and recognize the pattern and project on what it is doing on mid-March when Ukrainian elections are due, or what ever happens in Europe in general.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 16 2023 1:12 utc | 232

Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 16 2023 0:31 utc | 230–
That’s a sane if somewhat rambling response. Unfortunately, there are too many who agree with his pseudo premises which fall in-line with the Outlaw US Empire’s Narrative on Russian nuke use, which is why Russia’s MFA almost monthly repeat the gist of Russia’s nuke use doctrine, which his suggestion violates as I’ve pointed out. IMO, he was someone who was once listened to, is now ignored and wants to regain some attention–like a pet or child that does something it knows is wrong to gain attention.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2023 1:33 utc | 234

@147 LoveDonbass
Russia might as well try pushing the orange button before pushing the red button
Orange button = supply shocking bitcoin

Posted by: H | Jun 16 2023 1:36 utc | 236

Putin’s comment about treating Ukraine with respect… If you read the entire section, his response is not so simple.

Vladimir Putin: With regard to “what Ukraine are they talking about,” Ukraine, such as it may be, does exist and we must treat it with respect. However, this does not mean that this is a reason for us being treated without respect. That is what it is about.
If some of the people residing in these territories believe that they want to live in a separate and independent state, their preference must be treated with respect. The only question is why they should live at our expense and in our historical territories? If they want to live in our historical territories, then they should influence their political leadership so that it establishes proper relations with Russia and no one poses a threat to us from these territories. This is the issue. This is what the issue is all about.
I had multiple arguments with Belarus, Lukashenko. Clearly, the president of a country, in this case Belarus, defends his interests as he sees fit, in a consistent and tough manner. We had disputes. But did it ever occur to anyone to start a conflict with Belarus? No one would ever have thought about starting a conflict with Ukraine if we had normal relations as persons. There is not even a need for a Union State. But what they did there was they created an anti-Russia. They created it as a basis underlying their own existence. They created the anti-Russia and began to strengthen it. This is the problem.
There is a NATO issue as well. After all, when Ukraine gained independence, the Declaration of Independence explicitly stated that Ukraine was a neutral state. Who was it that, in 2008, when things were just fine with no Crimean events in sight, suddenly said they wanted to join NATO, and NATO opened its doors to them, declaring at the summit in Bucharest that NATO’s doors were open to Ukraine?
Not only did they cheat everyone when they said NATO would not expand to the east, but they planned to have our historical territories with a Russian-speaking population join NATO. This is totally out of line, is it not? It is. They are aware that they are creating a threat to us, but they are still working to this end despite our attempts to establish proper relations. This is the problem.
As for those who want to feel Ukrainian and live in an independent state, for God’s sake, do what you want. It is necessary to treat this with respect, but then don’t create a threat for us.
Anatoly Sobchak was right in what he said in his time. People from various political circles have different attitudes towards him, but he was a clever man. I am one hundred percent sure about this because I worked with him for a long time. He said with good reason, “If you want to leave, leave, but take only what you brought here.” Meanwhile, in 1645 or 1654, Ukraine did not exist at all. There are letters kept in the archives. People wrote to Warsaw: “We, the Russian Orthodox people, demand that our rights be observed.” The same people also wrote to Moscow: “We, the Russian Orthodox people, ask you to accept us into Russian Tsardom.” Do you understand this?
Yes, gradually they began to build up lands whereas we were giving it away. For some reason, Vladimir Lenin decided to give up the entire Black Sea Region. Why on earth did he do this? In strictly historical terms, these are Russian lands. Of course, there was nothing linked with Ukraine there, nothing at all. Ukraine really only appeared in 1922, and this fact was sealed in the Constitution. Huge Russian territories were given away there – just for nothing. And, as I mentioned, I have read papers and letters from the archives. They made a decision at first, I think at the congress or a Politbureau meeting about one republic. What was the name? I think, the Krivoy Rog Republic, right?
Remark: The Donetsk Republic.
Vladimir Putin: The Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic. Yes, it was supposed to be part of the RSFSR. Then the Bolsheviks came from these lands and said, “Why are you leaving us with these villagers?” That is, with the peasants that were considered petty bourgeois. Then again, they resumed the discussion on where to transfer Donbass, this Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic. The people who came from Donbass said: “Why? It has already been decided that we are part of Russia?” They wrote “Mother Russia.” Lenin told them, “It is necessary to reconsider this decision.” So they reconsidered it on their own terms.
Did they go crazy altogether? Who asked the people about this? Was there some referendum or a plebiscite? What was it all about? Okay, they first transferred some territory there and then they separated it. I’m not sure, but I don’t think this ever happened in history before. Okay, now we have to live in this paradigm. But on top of that, they started creating an “anti-Russia” there, creating threats to us. But people do not want to live like that, to live there. They are reaching out towards us. So, what are we supposed to do? Dump these people or what? So, this is the result we have.
As for Ukraine, what Ukraine are you talking about? There was nothing at all there, there was no Ukraine. Ukraine appeared in 1922, as I said. Now the grateful descendants are smashing monuments to Lenin, the founder of Ukraine.

One can easily interpret this response as Putin recognizing that Ukraine is a made-up country – made up from historically Russian lands. And that since Ukraine is essentially now an ‘anti-Russia” country, then its existence as an independent state perhaps should no longer be recognized.
The response is somewhat ambiguous – which is precisely what one would expect if the final status of Ukraine is up for grabs.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 16 2023 1:58 utc | 238

I read the Telegram feed before coming here. With all the cutting and pasting from Telegram there really is starting to become not much new to see here.

Posted by: Organic | Jun 16 2023 2:02 utc | 240

malenkov@240
Following the example of the two Socialists in the Reichstag, back in Bismarck’s day, they are shouting out of the windows. Their orations are adressed not to their colleagues but to the people of Europe.
Not to forget the “plain people pf Ireland.” As I recollect it at the last Dail election the unthinkable almost happened with Sinn Fein and the slate of Independent Socialists coming very close to putting the old gang- Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour- out of business. It was that movement that, in the EU elections, propelled Mick and Clare into a position in which, for the first time in an age, the authentic voices of the best Irish working class traditions, O’Casey, Connolly and James Larkin were heard again across the world.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 16 2023 2:05 utc | 242

bevin: indeed. How much the people of Europe get to hear them—well, that’s another matter.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2023 2:10 utc | 244

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2023 1:46 utc | 240
Oh yeah, I notice that! In juxtaposition to the full houses and standing fkn ovations that the Zel-o-Nazi gets, it’s truly sickening.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Jun 16 2023 3:06 utc | 246

So, the plan was always to bleed Russia. Noone ever expected Ukraine to win.
The supposition was that Russia would occupy Ukraine, and hemorrhage men and material while the brave and noble Ukrainians engage in hit and run operations winning the hearts and minds of righteous people (as anointed by MSM) everywhere.
Meanwhile, the killer blow would have been the crippling Western sanctions that coupled with an unpopular war would lead to internal divisions and a fracturing of the of the Russian Federation.
No matter what happens on the Eastern Front, the war waged by the West was lost when the RoW failed to fall in line and countered with the accelerated move towards
De-Dollarization.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 16 2023 3:21 utc | 248

Richard Steven Hack | Jun 16 2023 1:58 utc | 241
Thanks for your post @241. Fascinating extracts.
——-
My take from Putin’s posted comments.
~ Putin sitting in Kremlin 1.5 years into sloSMO, watching the west …
Putin understands Lukashenko and Erdogan… they act in, are motivated by, their own / national interests.
Putin, as all negotiators know… understands agreement is obtained, secured where the interests of both parties overlap.
He watches as the EU especially, along with the U$, act against their own interests; act irrationally because of their hatred of Russia. Like burning your own house down to “punish” the neighbours!
I think he’s dumbstruck. He’s spent a career forging deals where mutual interests are found, compromises are accommodated. Even between parties who loathe each other.
~
Imagine. He’s able to dig into the original archive documents. Read exactly what Lenin said and did. Read contemporary reports on those actions.
It’s said: Those who fail to understand the lessons of history are doomed to repeat the mistakes.
He’s reading first hand Lenin, first-hand Stalin. Learning first hand Soviet/ Russian history. So that he doesn’t make the mistakes of the past.
For this reason alone, Russia will prevail.
No one on Team U$A is attempting anything remotely equivalent.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 16 2023 4:08 utc | 250

Melaleuca @ 253
All excellent points. But lets be fair. The lovely Anna has a one year diploma in international law at the LSE. And Joe came 76th in his class of 85 students, and has a diploma somewhere but he just cant place it at the moment.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Jun 16 2023 4:17 utc | 252

It’s said: Those who fail to understand the lessons of history are doomed to repeat the mistakes.
He’s reading first hand Lenin, first-hand Stalin. Learning first hand Soviet/ Russian history. So that he doesn’t make the mistakes of the past.
For this reason alone, Russia will prevail.
No one on Team U$A is attempting anything remotely equivalent.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 16 2023 4:08 utc | 253
Well said and I heartily agree with your your lessons of history quote instead of that insipid “history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes” crap that most people mindlessly spew out because it sounds clever.

Posted by: K | Jun 16 2023 4:27 utc | 254

Paul McGrory | Jun 16 2023 4:17 utc | 255
I wholeheartedly hope, that once Putin is finally termed out of the RF presidency, he has at least a decade of lifespan, health, mental acuity and motivation to write some “as it really happened” history for us.
Write what he learned by reading Lenin, Stalin, and the Soviet presidents before him.
Write how knowledge of Soviet history influenced his thinking and actions.
Write honest, frank, unambiguously about his dealings with U$ UK and other world leaders. Their foibles, failings, fuckups.
What Putin could write, -wow-, what a giddy, behind-the-curtain tour that’d be.
Hollyweird wouldn’t be able to resist plagiarising, re-orienting to U$ heroism, and making the best spy movies imaginable !

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 16 2023 4:40 utc | 256

What. [insert the meme image of a tipping truckload of LOLs]
ClownZ just mimicked Putin by holding a “roundtable” sit down with Ukrainian journos.
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/3427

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 16 2023 4:51 utc | 258

[260]
I was unaware that Alastair Crooke had been an Ambassador as opposed to a diplomat inside the embassy as MI6 resident.
I know the British Ambassador at the UN and now Ambassador in Washington Karen Pierce is MI6 but I assumed it was rare for Ambassadors to be MI6 as opposed to Attaches or First Secretaries

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 16 2023 5:08 utc | 260

Paul McGrory #252
Well said. Bottoms up 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 5:35 utc | 262

The smug self-congratulatory history circle is cute, but you guys fail to realize what happens when you lob postmodern critiques like that.

Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Jun 16 2023 5:44 utc | 264

Richard Steven Hack | Jun 16 2023 1:58 utc | 241 – “…if the final status of Ukraine is up for grabs.”
And this, as you make clear, is not so ambiguous – as you point out, the final status of Ukraine will be determined by the lawful successor of USSR, and by no other force.
I’m just passing through and caught your post – it’s an excellent protocol, very well reported – many thanks.
~~
Putin, then, like any diligent lawyer, has studied the sources, in the archives. What a man he is – who else would do this? But I think, seeking the most solid and formal basis for his actions, Putin wanted to know what the rock bottom essence of Ukraine is. And what is clear is that the Russian empire, the arising of the Russians, and the hubris of the USSR all combined to conjure Ukraine into being, from nothing.
Thank you for that perspective. As you show, Putin shares it also.
Russia will decide Ukraine’s fate and the identity with which it experiences that fate. Ukraine could itself decide these things for itself, if it were to live only its own life and threaten the lives of no other – but only in that case. Only on those terms. Those very reasonable terms.
And Russia would live with that, most contentedly, in complete geopolitical stability. Russia cares nothing about the state of its neighbors, except that it cares completely for those terms.
One could almost call it a security guarantee 😉
~~
Today is no different from, and consistent with, all of history. So the story is said, and the conclusion is made. Russia will solve this.
Thanks again.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 16 2023 6:01 utc | 266

Our source reports that the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine complain about the low level of professionalism of the officers.
This is due to the fact that due to losses, it is necessary to attract not “qualified” personnel. Not to mention drunkenness in the army, even among officers.
But the situation is even sadder, since the same officers in the reports complain about the low quality of the “new” soldiers, poor morale, drunkenness and “use”.
Problems at the moment are being solved only due to the number of people in the army, but no one can say that this problem will not worsen and become catastrophic in the second year of the war in 2024. Especially after the “bloody offensive”.
Everyone says that even now it is necessary to increase foreign training by two or even three times, plus doubling the training time to three or four months, in order to at least move the catastrophe by a year. It is virtually impossible to solve it on our own, without the direct participation of foreign soldiers.
The source adds that Western partners are aware of this problem. But they are not in a hurry to fix it – it’s expensive.
In the beginning, this problem was solved by mercenaries with Western officers “advisers”, but after dozens of arrivals at checkpoints and losses, their number decreased significantly, exposing the problem.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15638

Posted by: Down South | Jun 16 2023 6:05 utc | 268

Posted by: Mike314159 | Jun 15 2023 22:56 utc | 194
Putin doesn’t probably assume Nato will stop supporting Ukraine.
What he simply meant was that those arm shipments get noticeable smaller (Nato shot its main wad after Rammstein meeting in January or February) and the “stuff” is getting destroyed faster than replacement. This will cause periodic shortages of stuff leading to more frequent and/or periods of higher loses, but more importantly, average experience of army is dropping which will simply result chewing through the army quicker than before.
General Milley’s advertised 60k troops the west has trained is by far the largest threat, as they are not only more experienced, but ideologically deranged terrorists.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 16 2023 6:11 utc | 270

Richard Steven Hack | Jun 16 2023 4:49 utc | 260–
Thanks for the link to Napolitano/Crooke. Excellent info there. The mention that the Putin meeting with the War Correspondents was 3.5 hours corroborates another source I read that said there was an hour+ secret session as the official video is 2.25 hours. It’s possible that the citation Escobar supplied that none of us could find in the transcript was from that secret session.
IMO, the most important point Crooke makes is at the end–“Putin’s playing the Big Game, the Long Game, Financial War, Info War, Ukraine isn’t the central issue; it’s the larger issue that’s most important.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2023 6:27 utc | 272

Senator David Van profile.
https://www.davidvan.com.au/
Rsole and hypocrite extraordinaire.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 7:12 utc | 274

It is reported from the field that the enemy’s night attack in the Orekhovsky direction was thwarted due to the large number of refuseniks who did not want to go on the offensive against Russian positions.
The 47th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine especially “distinguished itself”, which had previously been killed about our positions during the attacks on June 4-14 and suffered heavy losses in people and equipment.
The enemy command is taking measures to restore order.
The resumption of attacks is expected in the next 1-2 days.
CC

Posted by: repost | Jun 16 2023 7:15 utc | 276

@Don Firineach | Jun 15 2023 23:34 utc | 214
With Jadotville being the most amazing, IMHO.
@karlof1 Jun 15 2023 23:52 utc | 216
Wouldn’t have thought it worth risking a rift with China and RoW, just to make a bigger bang.

Posted by: necromancer | Jun 16 2023 7:32 utc | 278

Re: Economy of The Ukraine
Since 2014, Ukraine became the absolute poorest country on Europe. A decent take home wage was 90€/month ! 2/3s of the working age population Emigranted by 2022.
What was once the most prosperous region of the USSR was turned into a barren poverty stricken place after 2014.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 16 2023 7:37 utc | 280

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/8425638.html?view=comments#comments
Colonel Cassad item about presence of Syrian “comrades” in the fighting against Ukraine, it seems as part of the 98th “Svir” Airborne Division.
Comment on the item includes the view that this is good but Russia could do with more of them.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 16 2023 7:57 utc | 282

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 7:36 utc | 283
As sharp as ever, and talking Mexico, Wagner is taking a break from the front but Prigozhin keeps going at it as the main troll for everybody not just the western psychos, bureaucrats in Russia get their fair share too. Asked by a Danish medium about their next deployment he has this to say:
Regarding the further work of the PMCs “Wagner” in Ukraine. I am not sure that we will work in Ukraine. As a trolling, I can say that we are going to relocate to the north of Mexico.”
He has my ear for sure, no match for his language, he had a good going at CNN too concerning Sudan, unfortunately no transcript for that one.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2023 8:18 utc | 284

Military summary 16.6.2023:
-note more AFU attacks SW and NW of Avdeevka, where the 14 soldiers surrendered
-RU pushed AFU south of Marinka against the attempted AFU attack. One brigade that AFU recently deployed north of Marinka (Krasnogorovka) was moved back to Vremievka tactical bridgehead. Only one air assault brigade of AFU operates in western part/west of Marinka i.e. lack of forces enable advance here, and push AFU from south of Marinka
-In Vremievka bridgehead: AFU controls Makarovka, but that settlement and the settlements north of it are low-land which enables shelling and control of the area with drones, so it seems a tar-trap or “Hotel California”
-47th mech brigade refused to go on attack towards Robotyne from Orekhov direction (punishment on going)
-some activity in Nova Kakohvka, AFU drones flew above the settlement but apparently some operator position was discovered on opposite shore and disabled
-Another large missile and drone attack during night

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 16 2023 8:46 utc | 286

[214]
Siege of Jadotville showed you with excellent soldiering and disgraceful politicians

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 16 2023 9:15 utc | 288

Bundestag deputy Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmerman proposed to provide German airfields to Ukrainian aircraft so that they could take off from them for attacks on Russia…
hmmm maybe do some consulting on that one first would be my advice

Posted by: hankster | Jun 16 2023 9:15 utc | 290

Our source from the Office of the President reported that Zelensky had no choice and he gave the order to launch a counteroffensive despite the position of Zaluzhny. It’s all about the July summit, before which we were given time to demonstrate the result! Time is playing against us and now we will be forced to storm the well-prepared Russian defense.
Despite high losses, the UAF counter-offensive could not be delayed, as support for Ukraine will be the focus of the NATO summit in July.
This is stated in the Washington Post article “Ukraine has made little progress as the counter-offensive.”
“Ukrainian officials have warned that the counter-offensive will entail heavy loss of life and equipment, which they say is exacerbated by the lack of Western aircraft for air cover and long-range artillery,” the authors write.
Nevertheless, according to the interlocutors of the publication, “the start of the attack could not be postponed.”
Kiev wants to record major battlefield gains this summer and fall before a harsh winter sets in and give Western backers proof that Ukraine is capable of defeating Russia.
Also taken into account was the factor that “support for Ukraine in the future will be the focus of the NATO leaders’ summit next month.”
US officials say they understand Kyiv’s progress in eastern and southern Ukraine will be slow and that it is “not a sprint but a marathon.”
The New York Times writes the same:
“Ukrainian and US officials acknowledged on Thursday that Ukraine’s counter-offensive against Russia’s powerful defenses has been grueling and bloody. But they insisted it was useful and that any judgment of its success was highly premature.”

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18332

Posted by: Down South | Jun 16 2023 9:25 utc | 292

Posted by: Milites | Jun 15 2023 20:35 utc | 154
On rocket interception, I’m sure that’s not true. If it’s a question of using speed to evade interception, rockets can hit just as fast and hard as shells of comparable whole-system cost. Rockets can be two stage, with a boost motor, glide phase and dive motor. The low-G profile of rockets makes it easy to maximise the use of cheap, radar transparent materials. Jettisoning of spent motor sections and evasive manoeuvring are obvious concepts. The low-G profile makes all electromechanical integration easier and cheaper, including decoys, EW countermeasures, hard manoeuvring / aero-braking flaps, or any other plausible innovation. Satnav is great when it works but probably best reserved for determining an accurate initial position to sync onboard INS. Laser seeker is the cheapest terminal guidance but relies on illumination and can be spoofed. Visual seekers are an option if they can be done cheaply enough. If onboard INS can approach the CEP of a comparable gun there’s little to chose on that front.
There’s no race for the 70 mile artillery rocket because everyone understands that an appropriate lengthening of the motor section is the sum total of product development required. Its an MIC boondoggle, absolutely fascinating but fit only for army recruitment videos.
To contrast with the race for the “super shell”, my preference in all this is for low cost, precision guided artillery rockets, fired vertically, in saturation quantities, from factory assembled packs, carried on the back of standard military logistics trucks, either fired while in transit or dumped in the countryside as low cost, unmanned fire bases. The packs could be reloadable or disposable, converted shipping containers would be one option.
GLSDB has failed to make an impact but the concept of using a rocket artillery booster to deliver a guided munitions to the battlefield is absolutely sound. Priced for economical mass production and launched from mobile or disposable platforms the economic and technical advantages are obvious.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 16 2023 9:28 utc | 294

Intel Slava Telegram channel reports…
https://t.me/intelslava/48873
Ukrainian soldiers made the right choice in favor of life and surrendered up to 20 Ukrainian military personnel of the 5th company, 2nd battalion, 28th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
It is reported from the field that the night attack of the enemy in the Orekhov direction was thwarted due to the large number of refusing Ukrainian soldiers who did not want to go on the offensive against Russian positions.
The enemy command is taking measures to restore order. The resumption of attacks is expected in the next 1-2 days.
The cracks are widening……
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 16 2023 9:52 utc | 296

DON’T EXPECT SO MUCH OUT OF RUSSIA & CHINA
Won’t be too long before “Rising” Russia gets tired of trying to feed
the billions of malnourished breeders in Africa, India, Chinesia, & whatever the
‘global south’ is. (& house, & ‘develop’ & police & civilize & maintain them all)
All my life I have watched endless ships unload sacks marked ‘USA’ & sent FOR FREE to these countries. Meanwhile Russia (& China) sent them AK’s & machetes & Che Guevara shirts for them to go massacre anybody trying to grow food or achieve any economic progress.
Everybody on Earth with TV is familiar with scenes of 6×6 trucks rolling into mud-hut villages or urban shit-holes, emptied in minutes in wild stampedes. This had to end eventually, it just could not go indefinitely. Demand for free shit ALWAYS outstrips supply. Let the Russians worry about it. The Chinese will certainly NEVER have two grains of rice to spare.
Word is rupees & yuan are already starting to pile up in Moscow with nothing Russia can use them for. As this gets worse we’ll see how these new fair weather friends get on. Real stuff, food, fuel, minerals, lumber, -shipped out in return for what, I-phones & sneakers ? T-shirts ? Putin is on a slippery slope, the Russian (& Chinese) mentality is too stingy to have the expansionist colonist mindset, which led to the almighty ‘world currency’ dollar. Kumbayah with these freeshitters just won’t get it done. They were colonized once. It don’t work twice.
Putin’s bargain is a FAUSTIAN BARGAIN for Russia.
It won’t be easy, but De-dollarisation & the end of ’empire’ will in the end actually improve the living standard of the average American Joe. It’s only ever been a detriment to him.
The bridges Russia is building to the hungry hordes to their south will only see them eaten out of house & home. Europe is in a ‘fuel empty’ unrecoverable nosedive, & facing their own locusts swarming from the south as well.
All is in the geography & demographics.
(All of this only applies if we get past MAD, (again)).

Posted by: SIXTUS V | Jun 16 2023 10:01 utc | 298

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 15 2023 20:50 utc | 158
That’s a good point. Unguided rockets are effective up to a certain range and fired in salvo, with appropriate warheads, to cover an area. Grad / TOS-1 are good examples but HIMARS is too expensive and carries too few rockets to be effective, let alone cost-effective, in this use case.
Everything MIC is too complex, interdependent and expensive. You’d get the impression that “digital” and “precision” both mean ruinously expensive.
F-35 is the patron saint of MIC product optimisation!

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 16 2023 10:03 utc | 300