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June 15, 2023
Open Thread 2023-140

News & views (not related to the war in Ukraine) …

Comments

@passerby 100
Because of some old books, and the language they are written in. Philosophie ist Gespräch.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 17 2023 11:52 utc | 101

From Dave Lindorff’s review of Norman Solomon’s War Made Invisible:

Indeed, “War Made Invisible,” even as it so thoroughly exposes the machinations of the US military, the White House and the State Department to hide the country’s wars and interventions, and even as he provides details of the horrible war crimes and genocidal killing that the US has been perpetrating around the globe, this book is also a kind of update to that classic Ed Herman and Noam Chomsky media analysis work Manufacturing Consent. It is entirely focused upon the way the mainstream corporate media work hand-in-glove with the national security state and Pentagon to hide the costs and the bloody reality of America’s 21st- Century militarism and endless war policy.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/06/16/war-made-invisible/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 17 2023 14:36 utc | 102

Russian brigade defense doctrine uses so-called “pre front ” or vanguard detachment. Pre-front detachment is a reinforcement infantry platoon to company size. The platoon is reinforced with the ATGM squad, HMG squad, and/or 60 mm mortar squad. It is placed 1, 5 to 2 km in front of the first brigade defense line. Its main task is to force advancing enemy units to premature development in full assault combat order before they approach the brigade’s first defense line. After that happens the detachment withdraws to the brigade reserves, resupply with fuel and ammo, and waits for a new assignment. That is the reason why we have seen the Russians moving back and forth on the battlefield so far.

Posted by: Stefan Cristian Gavr | Jun 17 2023 15:55 utc | 103

The unrepentedness, the incorrigibility is very telling imo, particularly from one who presents himself as an adherent of Buddhism.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 17 2023 4:53 utc | 94
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We’r not allowed to push back at the scorpion troll, I tried to challenge his diatribe on Tibet , the troll simply cancelled me off and declared victory !
Scorpion the Budhist expurt doesnt understand its karma that’d gotten Tibet into the Chinese map !
He’s not here to learn, to exchange ideas, the troll is here to deliver sermons to us mere mortals !
Not satisfied with that, the troll had the cheek to ‘shame‘ Grieved for merely agreeing with me . !
He even insults Caitlin as CIA BOT !
What a pompous !@#$%

Posted by: denk | Jun 17 2023 16:08 utc | 104

@94 wayinnorway
I think this is unfair to scorpion who does post thoughtful, if long, comments.
I am actually in agreement that there is no unified, outward-facing stances of nations, even in full-blown hot-war situations.
Do you think Germany’s elites were all onboard with the idea to put Lenin in that train car with millions of reichsmarks?
Or do you think that in any country there are those that employ dirty tactics, i.e. psyops and infowars, that can be suspected by nationalist rank-and-file to garner blowback? IOW, there are some that push it too far, that cross red-lines, that unleash pandora’s box, even tbough there may be a more sensible approach being peddled down the ranks a few rungs.
Scorpion, like myself, is afraid that the globalist genie is completely out of the bottle. What does tbis mean and why do we fear it? It is because the nation is the only mechanism in geopolitics that is capable of providing identity. It is a way to be sure that the future is bright and that toil has purpose. If you think that you are viewing something that is not giving you the full story, that rubs you the wrong way, it is a difficult feeling to square as you go about your life.
In America this phenomenon is incredibly pronounced and at its most acute point in history. It is peak globalism. And what is globalism but the destruction of the Christian mind and the complete return to and its tribal sacrificimg rituals that Christianity rightfully usurped.
Lately I have been reading Rene Girard and have been blown away by his anthropoligical defense of Christianity as the greatest myth to surmount and supplant all those that came before it.
Check this essay out if you want to get a good feeling for his thought.
But suffice to say, I can’t breathe relief until I know the Talmudic influence that seeks the destruction of Christianity has been relegated back to its rightful position…underneath the triumphant Jesus Christ.
Are the Chinese asking themselves right now who they would rather do business with…the “Jews” or the Christians? I would say emphatically yes, because the devil is always nipping at our heels.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 17 2023 18:00 utc | 105

Konami | Jun 17 2023 10:39 utc | 99–
Thanks for your reply. Hudson painted the present picture almost a decade ago with his Killing the Host that detailed how Neoliberalism is a parasite that feasts on the many years of previous public investment. I’ve been Anti-EU since its inception and long studied its integration with NATO and control by the Outlaw US Empire. When the sanctions blowback began, I predicted it would break the EU and thus NATO with the only real question being the timing. As we’re seeing, the squealing has begun, but there’s no more slop for the trough. Meanwhile at the SPIEF:
“More than 900 agreements worth 3.8 trillion rubles ($45.5 billion) have been signed at the 2023 edition of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF), Russian presidential advisor and SPIEF executive secretary Anton Kobyakov says.”
It’s no longer Europe; it’s Eurasia. Glenn Diesen’s prediction that Europe might become a mere backwater peninsula attached to a booming Eurasian continent seems to be coming to fruition. And as I wrote above, there’s only one way for European nations to halt that future.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2023 18:03 utc | 106

Scorpion, like myself, is afraid that the globalist genie is completely out of the bottle. What does tbis mean and why do we fear it? It is because the nation is the only mechanism in geopolitics that is capable of providing identity
Are the Chinese asking themselves right now who they would rather do business with…the “Jews” or the Christians?
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 17 2023 18:00 utc | 105
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Why dont you ask the ROW, aka the jungle ?
https://i0.wp.com/multipolarista.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/UN-vote-West-economic-order.jpg?resize=600%2C337&ssl=1
Most countries on Earth voted at the United Nations General Assembly to support a call for a new international economic order that is based on sovereign equality and cooperation, that rejects unilateral sanctions and advocates for debt relief for the Global South.
The only countries that opposed this widely popular proposal were the xtian garden
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Courtesy of …
geopoliticaleconomy.com

Posted by: denk | Jun 17 2023 18:57 utc | 107

@ 107 denk
If you think the remnant of Christianity is currently dwelling in the rulling elite of what constitutes the west currently, I don’t know what to say.
Enjoy your sandbox.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 17 2023 18:59 utc | 108

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 17 2023 18:59 utc | 108
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The jews, the gawd damned Jews..
West vs the rest:
World opposes sanctions, only U.S. & Europe support them
https://mronline.org/2023/04/09/west-vs-the-rest/

Posted by: denk | Jun 17 2023 19:15 utc | 109

This NemesisCalling was banished into my bozo file long ago, so its only fitting that he’s chummy with the scorpion troll/
I’ll tell him more about the gawd damned jews tomorrow, way past bedtime now gawd damed troll

Posted by: denk | Jun 17 2023 19:43 utc | 110

@94 wayinnorway
I think this is unfair…
…underneath the triumphant Jesus Christ.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 17 2023 18:00 utc | 105
– You might consider pasting the whole date/time line so you don’t get the name wrong.
– What’s unfair?
– If your answer is based on your religious beliefs it will be wasted on me. Mr. Hitchen’s
is but a teeny part of the reason why I say that, but since you are Catholic and started up with them
I’ll offer this 15 minutes of his thoughts: Hitch

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 17 2023 19:57 utc | 111

China moves ahead with their Thorium fueled molten salt reactor…
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/thorium-molten-salt-nuclear-reactor-china
Chinese authorities have officially given the green light to commission a working thorium-based molten salt nuclear reactor. Currently under construction since 2018, the reactor in question, “Thorium Molten Salt Reactor – Liquid Fuel 1” (TMSR-LF1), is being built at the Hongshagang Industrial Cluster, Wuwei City, Gansu Province.
If successful, the TMSR-LF1 has the potential to open doors for developing and constructing a more extensive demonstration facility by 2030. Additionally, it could lead to constructing a TMSR fuel salt batch pyro-process demonstration facility, which would enable the utilization of the thorium-uranium cycle by the early 2040s.
This makes it China’s first authorized thorium molten salt reactor
“The thorium-fueled molten salt experimental reactor operation application and related technical documents were reviewed, and it was considered that the application met the relevant safety requirements, and it was decided to issue the two MWt liquid fuel thorium-based molten salt experimental reactor an operating license,” the National Nuclear Security Administration(NNSA) said in a statement on June 7.

This is BIG!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 17 2023 20:20 utc | 112

The high profile meeting Xi Jinping-Bill Gates is puzzling to me, to put it generously. Gates is widely detested figure for good reason. What are the positive results of his many engagements via his Foundation and other vehicles? I don’t know of any.
Yet, according to the Global Times: Xi applauded Gates and the Gates Foundation for their long-term work to promote poverty reduction, health, development and philanthropy around the world, vowing that China will continue to strengthen cooperation with the Gates Foundation in relevant fields, and will provide support and assistance to other developing countries within its capacity.
This is one of the reasons I have reservations about China and where it is heading.
On another, sad, note – Daniel Elsberg has died. We all owe him for his lifelong, unflinching commitment to the truth in public affairs. What a man!

Posted by: JB | Jun 17 2023 20:23 utc | 113

As the SPIEF winds-up today another important Forum is just getting started:

The 15th Straits Forum kicked off on Friday in Xiamen, East China’s Fujian Province, with the forum conference taking place on Saturday. It has been widely noted that more than 5,000 Taiwan attendees came upon invitation, including over 1,000 who arrived directly from the island. This is the biggest cross-Straits people-to-people exchange event since the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Among the 5,000 Taiwan attendees are representatives from several major political parties on the island, except the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), as well as representatives from various industries, community leaders, and people from trade unions, Communist Youth League organizations, women’s federations, towns and counties, representing a wide range of people. The desire of people on both sides of the Straits to communicate and seek peace can be seen by the scale of the Straits Forum….
Since its inauguration in 2009, the Straits Forum has been held every year despite facing all kinds of difficulties. The DPP has tried everything it could to stop it, using intimidation and threats to create obstacles to the smooth running of the forum. However, the actual result is that during the more than seven years of the DPP’s rule, although official cross-Straits exchanges have virtually stagnated, civil exchanges have been steadily growing. The strong resilience of the Straits Forum is a reflection of the momentum of history represented by its internal strength.
If we try to gauge the atmosphere between the two sides of the Straits from the public opinion on the island and the narrative of the media in the US and the West, it seems to be so tense that the two sides are “on the verge of war.” However, this tension is largely due to the deliberate haze spread by the DPP and some external forces for their own political interests.

And there’s more said in the linked item with important questions being posed.
A second article at Global Times today, “Xi’s letter to forum inspires cross-Straits exchanges; mainland provides rich opportunities amid global uncertainty,” I found this passage inspiring:

Justin Lin Yifu, former chief economist of the World Bank and a professor of economics at Peking University, delivered a keynote speech at the main conference, in which he said although the world is experiencing turbulence and undergoing geopolitical crises such as the China-US tensions, when China’s GDP per capita reaches 50 percent of the US, the world order will be stabilized again.
Lin predicted that at that time, China’s economic size will be twice of that of the US, and in developed regions such as Beijing, Shanghai, the Yangtze River Delta Area, and the Guangdong-Hong Kong-Macao Greater Bay Area, the GDP per capita will reach levels comparable to that of the US.
Lin urged Taiwan compatriots to seize the golden opportunity presented by the mainland’s development, citing his personal experience of fleeing from Kinmen County, which is under the control of the Taiwan authorities, to Xiamen in 1979, and how he went on to become the first chief economist of the World Bank from a developing country. He used this example to explain that the individuals’ destinies, values and dreams will be realized and maximized through the development of the motherland.

Some barflies will have viewed the video I linked to last weekend showing China’s amazing construction projects in that Greater Bay Area mentioned above, and I must admit that seeing them in person is a very formidable form of Soft Power, and the same can be said of Russia’s development projects.
Xi’s letter to the Forum is rather short but exhortative. Here’s it’s last paragraph:
“We must fully implement the Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era and the guiding principles of the 20th CPC National Congress, better shoulder new cultural missions, increase confidence in our own culture, adhere to the approach of openness and inclusiveness, uphold fundamental principles and break new ground, and inspire the cultural creativity of the whole nation. Standing at a new historical starting point, we will continue to promote cultural prosperity, build a leading country in culture, develop a modern Chinese civilization, keep promoting exchanges and mutual learning among civilizations, and provide cultural strength for building a stronger country and achieving national rejuvenation.” [My Emphasis]
The last clause bolded above is Xi’s invitation to Taiwanese to join in this overall celebration of the goal that was set in 1911. The Outlaw US Empire has no gift that is in anyway comparable to that of Chinese National Rejuvenation, which IMO is something more Taiwanese are beginning to realize daily.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2023 20:39 utc | 114

@ karlof1 | Jun 17 2023 20:39 utc | 114
Thanks for bringing this up.
China has plenty of soft power over Taiwan, but not only.
As I understand China, it really plays a fair and a just game, so far.
Xi has made it so. US is just not lucky having Xi leading China.
achieving national rejuvenation.
What you emphasize here is something that is really needed everywhere,
but in a Chinese context, I am not sure whether I understand fully why that might be an issue? Is China not reformed enough and kind of fresh powerhouse?
Or he intends to rejuvenate (and consolidate) China only when Taiwan comes back?
I mean, it should be some needed change of a various polital-economical contracts between the two there very soon, right?

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 17 2023 21:25 utc | 115

@ Aleph_Null | Jun 17 2023 14:36 utc | 102
re: From Dave Lindorff’s review of Norman Solomon’s War Made Invisible:
Thanks for that fresh info on an addition to Norman Solomon’s “War Made Easy — how presidents and pundits keep spinning us to death.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 17 2023 21:39 utc | 116

Taiwan’s Status Is a Geopolitical Absurdity
Taiwan is a main island and some smaller ones posing as a country.
It’s down to thirteen countries which recognize Taiwan as the Republic of China
>Pacific – 4 – Marshall Islands, Republic of Nauru, Palau, Tuvalu
>Africa – 1 – Eswatini (Swaziland)
>Europe – 1 – Holy See
>Latin America and Caribbean – 7 – Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Paraguay, St. Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, St. Vincent & the Grenadines
So why is the US going nuts over a country it doesn’t recognize? Certainly the average American citizen, if informed, wouldn’t stand for crooked congress-critters expounding over the Chinese Communist Party” — China doesn’t even exist to them, but Taiwan does. The fix is in!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 17 2023 22:05 utc | 117

whirlX | Jun 17 2023 21:25 utc | 116–
It’s important to understand that China’s rejuvenation along with its reunification were goals proclaimed by Dr. Sun Yat-sen during the 1911 revolution that overthrew the Qing dynasty and established the Nationalist government; thus, they are the goals of all Chinese, not just those of the mainland or CPC. If you desire to learn more, I suggest you conduct a search as there’re many resources available on the subject. As a starting point, it’s important to know what China’s condition was in 1911 and how that had changed with the European onslaught and the attempts to colonize all China as the two goals are linked. Again, the goals were proclaimed prior to the CPC’s formation, and actually served as impetus for its formation because of the corruption within the KMT.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2023 22:31 utc | 118

ZH has a posting up with the title
Biden Baffles US Audience, Closing Speech With ‘God Save The Queen’
The quote

“God save the queen” is an expression of British patriotism. Perhaps the next edition of Biden’s presidential daily briefing should include a refresher on the fact that Americans declared independence from British royals almost 247 years ago. Briefers might also remind him that, with Queen Elizabeth’s death nine months ago, the expression has toggled to “God save the king.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 18 2023 2:24 utc | 119

The scorpion ‘wn’ clique

whiteman dindunuthin, its the jews, its the jews, Israel !

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Yeah sure,
whiteman dragged screaming and kicking to the killing field…
Exhibit A
The garden celebrating a genocide
https://tinyurl.com/5xveydct
[comment 95]
Exhibt b
g7 on the Problem

something gotta be done about the Indian/China monsters

[scorpion says the same thing here in 1000 words !]
https://mronline.org/2023/05/27/the-group-of-seven-should-finally-be-shut-down-the-twenty-first-newsletter-2023/
The solution

Germ warfare

https://tinyurl.com/2p9fakue
[comment 50]
The Anglo Saxon mission

China will catch a cold

https://tinyurl.com/2y29tat6
Tip of an iceberg

To be continued…….

Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 3:21 utc | 120

@ karlof1 | Jun 16 2023 15:59 utc | 68
Why did president Xi Jinping personally met Bill Gates like a peer, just a mega billionaire that mostly costs China contrary to an Elon Musk who can earn for China?
The soft power of the WEF or Bill’s own WHO?
A birthday visit from an old friend? Ah to have Gates, Dimon etc. opposite to the US MICIMATT away from the CCP.
Bring Microsoft’s AI development home to the CCP?
Two peas in the total control pod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO_FrqlyNi8

Posted by: Antonym | Jun 18 2023 4:23 utc | 121

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 16 2023 14:18 utc | 56
” Which reminds me — Trump hates First Nations/Native owned casinos. Bed fellows, right?”
Don’t know about that one. Trump 29 Casino in southern California, Spotlight 29 managed by the Trump organization. This was in the late 1990’s I believe. Now it is run by the Natives.

Posted by: morongobill | Jun 18 2023 12:05 utc | 122

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 17 2023 18:00 utc | 105
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What you’r seeing is not the real west, this is not the xtian way, its the Jew way.

Yeah, gawd’s army dragged screaming and kicking all the way to their land grabbing wars.
Exhibit C
The xtian way,
WHITE MAN BURDEN,
Pres. William McKinley

…there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all (all of Spain’s possessions) and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them, and by God’s grace do the very best we could by them, as our fellow men for whom Christ also died.”

Sen. Albert Beveridge

“We will not renounce our part in the mission of our race, trustee, under God, of the civilization of the world,” “Where shall we turn for consumers of our surplus? Georgraphy answers the question. China is our natural customer….The Philippines give us a base at the door of all the East.”

https://www.countercurrents.org/us-cox240107.htm
Where it all started..
From 11C
England ===> Wales, Ireland. , Scotland, India, , Canada, Oz, US ===> Hawaii, Puerto Rico, GUam, Philippines, Diego Garcia, Marshall Island, OKinawa, Jeju, Falkland, ………….
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Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 14:55 utc | 123

Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 14:55 utc | 124
McKinley & Beveridge: it is always good to start out with McKinley in particular. He was not President long, but he was very explicit about his intentions, and Teddy Roosevelt who came after was much better at PR, although still pretty explicit. And then there was Wilson.
Anyway, that is when the current military clown show really got started here. They had to find something new to do after defeating the natives here. No more forts to fight the natives from.
Solution? Hey, lets go find some more natives, and they are still looking and building forts. The Europeans have tended to like this solution too, but it is just not working like it used to.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 15:21 utc | 124

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 15:21 utc | 125
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White man burden aint the elites prerogative, its an intrinsic garden value.
Hence while their dear leaders spend their day job hr messing up the ROW, ..
The plebs do their bit running the world themselves,..
White man dragged screaming and kicking [by the jews ? ] all the way to Beijing…to protest the ‘genocide Olympic’ and ‘one child policy’ [sic]
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China Opens ‘Sky Train’ To Tibet
JULY 1, 2006
But activists complain the railway will bring an influx of Chinese migrants, damaging Tibet’s fragile ecology and diluting its unique Buddhist society. They say most of its economic benefits will go to migrants from the east.
On Friday, three women from the United States, Canada and Britain were detained after unfurling a banner at Beijing’s main train station reading, “China’s Tibet Railway, Designed to Destroy.”
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Olympics 2008
Olympics: Britons and Americans held over Tibet protests
Four protesters including two Britons have been detained in the Chinese
capital after hanging Free Tibet banners close to the main Bird’s Nest stadium.
The demonstration underlined the clash between competing views of the Olympics in Beijing, as thousands of euphoric spectators cheered the arrival of the torch in Tiananmen Square while foreign activists launched a series of small protests around the city.
US and British campaigners scored a publicity coup by climbing electricity poles at dawn and unfurling outlawed Tibetan flags and banners with Free Tibet slogans in Chinese and English. Their protest took place just outside the Bird’s Nest, where the opening ceremony will take place on Friday.
“We’ve done this action today to highlight the Chinese government’s use of the Beijing Olympics as a propaganda tool to whitewash their human rights mobile phone conversation posted on the internet,” said Iain Thom, one of the protesters, in a recorded mobile phone conversation posted on the internet.
The state news agency Xinhua said police ended the protest in 12 minutes, while Students for a Free Tibet said they were there for an hour before security officers led them away peacefully. The group said Thom, 24, was from Scotland while another protester, Lucy Marion, 23, was from England.
In a separate incident, a European activist arranged the screening of a film about Tibetan views of the Olympics in Beijing. It was halted when his hotel asked reporters to leave, but public security officials waiting at the venue did not intervene directly or approach the man when he left the building.
The Tibet issue has dogged the Olympics since March’s violent riots in Lhasa and wider protests across Tibetan areas led to a security clampdown. Activists responded with demonstrations along the international leg of the torch relay, in turn sparking anger among the Chinese and making them all the keener to focus on celebrations as the flame returned to the capital.
Other protests today included a low-key demonstration by three Americans who stood in Tiananmen Square – well after the torch had passed through – to shout a denunciation of China’s population control policies. Police allowed them to leave the area after questioning them briefly.
Journalists received messages summoning them to two hotel rooms in Beijing containing dummies splattered with red paint. The walls had been defaced with slogans including: “One World, Our Nightmare” – a play on the Olympic “One World, One Dream” message – and a list of jailed dissidents. It was not clear who carried out the protest.
The US swimmer Amanda Beard, an Athens 2004 gold medallist, unveiled an anti-fur advert outside the Olympic village after the authorities prevented her from her staging a news conference in a hotel for “safety” reasons.
The government has designated zones for protest in parks around the city, but human rights campaigners warn that Chinese citizens will be deterred from taking part by the fear of reprisals and several groups have already been denied permits.
Other activists have been unable to enter the country. Team Darfur, a coalition of athletes seeking to draw attention to the conflict in Sudan, said that Beijing yesterday revoked the visa of its co-founder and Olympic gold medallist Joey Cheek.
He called the decision “part of a systemic effort by the Chinese government to coerce and threaten athletes who are speaking out on behalf of the innocent people of Darfur”.
Activists argue China has the greatest leverage of any nation over Khartoum because of its oil purchases from and arms sales to the government. Emmanuelle Moreau, an International Olympic Committee spokeswoman, said organisers should expect people to use the platform of the Olympics to draw attention to their causes.
She said: “The IOC are confident Beijing city authorities will assess the situation reasonably and act with tact and understanding.”
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Olympic games: Climbers held over Tibet banner protest in Beijing
This article is more than 13 years old
Activists scale Chinese state television building to unveil banner reading ‘Free Tibet’ in latest protest over human rights record
Pro Tibet activists unfurl a “Free Tibet” banner
Jonathan Haynes and agencies
Fri 15 Aug 2008 03.00 BST
Five people have been detained by police at the Olympics games in Beijing today after unfurling a banner in protest at China’s human rights record in Tibet.
Briton Philip Kirk, 24, from St Albans, Hertfordshire, and Australian-Canadian Nicole Rycroft, 41, climbed up the back of one of the large Olympics billboards sited outside China’s state television news headquarters and rappelled down the billboard’s front after unrolling the banner.
Han Shan, Olympics campaign coordinator for campaign group Students for Free Tibet, said the banner read “Free Tibet” in English and Chinese.
Three other protesters were also detained as they watched the climbers in action. Shan named the three as Americans Bianca Bockman, 27, from Hoboken, New Jersey, Sam Maron, 22, from New York and Kelly Osbourne and said were acting as support and to ensure the safety of the climbers.
The pair hung their banner over an Olympics billboard with the slogan “Beijing 2008” at 5.45am local time.
The group was arrested around half an hour after the climbers were first spotted by security officials.
The building, which consists of two L-shaped high-rise towers linked at the top and the bottom, is the new headquarters of China’s state television service and was completed just before the start of the games.
Shan said Kirk, who had attended Swansea Metropolitan University, was an avid climber who worked in a climbing shop and also a photographer who had been an active member of the organisation for a number of years.
Tenzin Dorjee, deputy director of Students for a Free Tibet UK, said the organisation was “working closely” with the arrested activists. It was not clear where they were being held.
Today’s protest is the latest in a series of protests in the capital over alleged human rights abuses by the Chinese in Tibet. Last week two British Free Tibet campaigners – Iain Thom, 24, from Edinburgh, and Lucy Fairbrother, 23 – were deported after unfurling a 140-square-foot banner reading “One World, One Dream, Free Tibet” in Beijing.
• This article was amended on Saturday 18 April 2009. A news story published during the Olympics in China reported that two protesters had abseiled down the China Central Television building in Beijing and had unfurled a banner, which said “Free Tibet” in Chinese and English. This is incorrect. Two campaigners, Philip Kirk and Nicole Rycroft, climbed up the back of one of the large Olympics billboards sited outside China’s state television news headquarters and rappelled down the billboard’s front after unrolling the banner. This has been corrected.
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Sorry for the long text, no more links !

Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 16:36 utc | 125

Sorry for the long text, no more links !
Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 16:36 utc | 126
Yep. It is particularly annoying the way they crap up everything with their demands for attention and attempts to claim moral authority. It used be the Xtian missionaries went overseas, but that is out of fashion now, religion is in decline here. Now it is narcissists in rainbow suits. On the whole, I can’t say it is an improvement, and it wasn’t very good before. But that is totally the political style here these days.
And Sochi for that matter, was embarassing too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 16:55 utc | 126

Solution? Hey, lets go find some more natives, and they are still looking and building forts. The Europeans have tended to like this solution too, but it is just not working like it used to.
Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 15:21 utc | 125
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Yes, building forts , expanding garden domain into ROW ,all the while fretting about an ‘encroaching jungle’ !
The following are all veritable paradise on earth, UNESCO certified world natural treasures.
Diego Garcia
Marshall island
Hawaii
Puerto Rico
Ryukyu
Guam
Jeju
Vieques
All have been turned into ugly concrete STRUCtures to accommodate USAss WMD, resulting in eco disasters !
while the plebs flew 10000 miles away to Beijing to protest the ‘genocide railwaY to tibet’ !!!

Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 17:30 utc | 127

while the plebs flew 10000 miles away to Beijing to protest the ‘genocide railwaY to tibet’ !!!
Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 17:30 utc | 128
Yep, you get it, all those little forts all over the planet all around our enemies. Petraeus’ lilypads. Talk about not knowing your enemies.
And with a couple exceptions, that is always what they want to do.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 17:42 utc | 128

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 17:42 utc | 129
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At least you cant fault the USN for their good taste, those are all UNESCO CERTIFIED PARADISE ON EARTH,
Exhibit A
Diego Garcia
‘the US navy describes the living conditions as so outstanding that they are “unbelievable”. [sic]
[While the Chagosians are languishing in
ghettos far away from home.]
Courtesy Pilger
Paradise Cleansed

Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 17:58 utc | 129

[While the Chagosians are languishing in
ghettos far away from home.]
Courtesy Pilger
Paradise Cleansed
Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 17:58 utc | 130
Yeah, it’s always the best spots. They do that here too. Although nowadays they tend to prefer outside the cities, less political backlash about their many bad habits. But the fondness for islands and isolated, picturesque spots is noticiable.
And all of these places provide lots of nice positions for officers, see? Nobody wants to serve in Saudi Arabia, too many rules. In the rules based order, they make the rules.
And all of them, of course, great for money laundering and all sorts of other things.
A sort of counterpoint for all the belligerent moralizing and demonstrating you are talking about. I assume most of the people you are talking about are paid for it, but not all.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 18:12 utc | 130

“Believing China wants to take over your country so it can have control over a bunch of random white people
is as dumb and egocentric as believing space aliens would fly across the galaxy to stick probes in your butt.” – Caitlin Johnstone
“With China I simply apply the same scrutiny of establishment narratives using the exact same standards I apply
to narratives about other nations, and people are like ‘Oh no Caitlin don’t do that with China, just believe what
you’re told’. Kiss my ass you brainwashed morons.” – Caitlin Johnstone
For most of recorded history China has been the centre or the fulcrum of world population and society. One would
not know that from any history classes or books and other media in the West. …despite the fact that Europe was an
insignificant population of nut and berry eaters on the Eurasian peninsula until about 1600.
– T.P. Wilkinson https://dissidentvoice.org/2020/02/re-orientation/

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 18 2023 18:40 utc | 131

Looks like Blinken is making his move:

BEIJING (AP) — The United States and China have failed to overcome their most serious disagreements but were able to discuss them in a potentially constructive way and have agreed to continue talks, U.S. and Chinese officials said Sunday.
U.S. officials said Secretary of State Antony Blinken was able during a nearly 6-hour meeting to secure a visit to Washington by Chinese Foreign Minister Qin Gang. But both sides said progress on the issues that divide them remains a work in progress while the Chinese foreign ministry said “the China-U.S. relationship is at the lowest point since its establishment.”
China confirmed that Qin had accepted the invitation at a “mutually convenient time” but no date was set.

US, China remain at odds on numerous issues as Blinken finishes first day of meetings in Beijing
It seems “Biden” is trying to calm things down now with both Iran & China. It’s always better when things are “potentially constructive”

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 18:42 utc | 132

@ karlof1 | Jun 17 2023 22:31 utc | 119
Thanks a lot for the guidance on China.
Didn’t know it reaches that far in the past – ‘rejuvenation’ sounds very Marxist, and I thought it has to do with ‘one child policy’ to where it would somehow conflict. A bit clearer now. Much obliged.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 18 2023 19:11 utc | 133

And all of these places provide lots of nice positions for officers,
Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 18:12 utc | 131
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Thanks
Calling it a day.
good night/day !

Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 19:33 utc | 134

Calling it a day.
good night/day !
Posted by: denk | Jun 18 2023 19:33 utc | 135
A pleasure.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 18 2023 23:27 utc | 135

Ukraine’s Zelensky about Russia, or Taiwan’s Tsai Ing-wen about China – it’s as if they are two people reading from the same script, listening to the same earpiece.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 19 2023 19:05 utc | 136