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June 15, 2023
Open Thread 2023-140
News & views (not related to the war in Ukraine) …
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I believe this one is the not Ukraine thread, misnamed. I will use it to announce that next week I will again be on Lac Leman visiting children and grandchildren. The last time I was there at Peak Covid those zany Swiss refused to accept my Vax certificate (It might be fake) and I was not allowed in bars or restaurants. It was not like the French sending the police to kick people out, the bosses did it themselves to their businesses! Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 15 2023 12:45 utc | 1 So this is the Open Thread (not Ukraine).
https://youtu.be/K6svew4k5N0 Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 15 2023 13:05 utc | 2 Babel-17 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jun 15 2023 13:22 utc | 3 I posted this email from Addameer at the death of the last Not Ukraine thread a few hours ago, I hope you’ll forgive me for repeating here, it is on their website now, here.
More follows. They invite you to express your opinions to the following: Posted by: Walt | Jun 15 2023 13:30 utc | 4 “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.” Posted by: kana | Jun 15 2023 13:43 utc | 5 b – karlof1 and sushi both thought it would be rewarding for b – bernhard) to consider making a post and highlighting the content of an article on rt news from yesterday.. i share this viewpoint.. Posted by: james | Jun 15 2023 15:35 utc | 6 @ SwissArmyMan | Jun 15 2023 12:45 utc | 1 Posted by: james | Jun 15 2023 15:37 utc | 7 james @ 6 Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 15 2023 16:05 utc | 8 Organ Harvesting Scandel at Harvard – at least 6 indicted Posted by: Exile | Jun 15 2023 16:32 utc | 9 I’m sad to see Col Lang’s website, turcopolier.com, disappear Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jun 15 2023 16:34 utc | 10 @ oldhippie | Jun 15 2023 16:05 utc | 8 Posted by: james | Jun 15 2023 18:01 utc | 11 Georgian oligarchs are beyond counting published an amusing story yesterday that illustrates the length to which G7 will go to protect European “values”, their suppliers, and bankrupt EU “association” lures across the CIS —condemning “foreign agent” (FARA) registration, bi-lateral fintech, and “parallel” exports to visa-free travel.
bwahahahaha—and to think, the “market mechanism” geniuses are convinced that sanctions against “KREMLIN-linked” private bankers whom they harbor is a BLOW (not a gift) to the RF economy. Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 15 2023 18:31 utc | 12 I hope every barfly views this short, under 2 minute, video of a desert solar installation in China that’s on the scale of what I advocated be built in the USA’s desert Southwest back in the 1990s and the following decade until it was clear that such an undertaking wouldn’t be done–not because it couldn’t be done, but because there was zero political will marshaled by the Donors. It’s not that China, Russia or any other nations are defeating the West; rather, it’s the West that’s defeating itself. Exile | Jun 15 2023 16:32 utc | 9– US suddenly does an about face on aid to Syria – announces nearly $1B. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 15 2023 19:40 utc | 15 Repugs: now say maybe Biden bribe tapes don’t exist. THEY EXIST BUT ONLY HIGHEST BIDDER GETS THEM. Posted by: Dennis Szilak | Jun 15 2023 20:28 utc | 16 @ Ghost of Zanon | Jun 15 2023 19:40 utc | 15
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 15 2023 20:29 utc | 17 A news piece that is perhaps least related to Ukraine “BIDEN: “We have plans to build a railroad from the Pacific all the way across the Indian Ocean”. In the next project he said something about a project in Angola and clean energy. Reminds me of a friend who joked that I am Confusius because I confuse people. Biden is increasingly Confucian. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 15 2023 21:30 utc | 18 Those nasty Taliban have banned all the opium cultivation and this will impoverish their nation and destabilise their government – they are so mean they have no care for the human rights of their farmers and families.. it could even lead to war :/
Well I guess that now makes the new USA joint venture with the Karen in Myanmar more promising. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 15 2023 21:40 utc | 19 james # 15:35 utc | 6
He is not only MAD, he is ignorant of the Ukraine strategic process and goal. Russia will demilitarise and denazify the ukraine plus it will de-sovietize it at the same time. By relentlessly destroying the ukraine’s army and nazi threatening, intimidating infestation in the administration, whilst leaving many citizens unharmed, their resentment will turn on their leaders and army recruitment thugs. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 15 2023 22:23 utc | 20 james @ 11 Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 15 2023 22:23 utc | 21 Posted by: james | Jun 15 2023 15:35 utc | 6
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Karaganov Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 15 2023 22:28 utc | 22 @19 regarding William Boyd gloating over Afghanistan’s suffering Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jun 15 2023 23:32 utc | 23 Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jun 15 2023 23:32 utc | 23
You are putting blame on a wrong people Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 16 2023 0:01 utc | 24 The latest missive from Tucker Carlson, there have to be a lot of very mad security state and establishment types that want him gone asap! The SPIEF symposium on Dedollarization is available on video in English here. It’s 90 minutes long. If you go to the Programme page, you can choose to see the selections by day or by theme, scroll down and see what’s available, and there’s a great deal to view. James @ 6: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jun 16 2023 2:51 utc | 27 Karlof, Posted by: Exile | Jun 16 2023 2:51 utc | 28 Posted by: Roger | Jun 16 2023 0:15 utc | 25 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 16 2023 3:23 utc | 29 US elections don‘t matter any more. It’s a waste of time. Posted by: Exile | Jun 16 2023 4:40 utc | 30 @ Refinnejenna | Jun 16 2023 2:51 utc | 27 Posted by: james | Jun 16 2023 5:08 utc | 31 @ uncle tungsten | Jun 15 2023 22:23 utc | 20 Posted by: james | Jun 16 2023 5:14 utc | 32 Anti-Saudio headlines from the Drudge Report
We are only interested in Saudi thuggery because they re-established ties with Iran because of Chinese diplomacy. We were fine w/the Saudis as long as they are murdered Yemenis and blacklisted Iran. Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jun 16 2023 5:35 utc | 33 Below is a complete Xinhuanet posting of note I believe
Is Bill Gates a member of the God Of Mammon cult/empire or a representative thereof to China? Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2023 6:17 utc | 34 2+2=5 # 0:01 utc | 24
So exactly when did these decent honest hard working voters last propose a recall motion to sack the warmongering senators and congress members from Seligman and Arizona who murder and steal from other nations in their name? Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 8:31 utc | 35 psychohistorian # 6:17 utc | 34
WHO? Perhaps sinovac is about to be given world accreditation and made mandatory available throughout every WHO member state? After pigs have flown… Can China outbid the oligarch scoundrels such as Bill Gates for a fair decision at WHO. I doubt it. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 8:37 utc | 36 Pakistan is in a shocking state … Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 16 2023 9:28 utc | 37 It is interesting to take a closer look at the United States Institute for Peace. In one section of its website dedicated to ‘Regions’ we find a fair swag of the entire world as items of their interest. I thought I might start with Papua New Guinea and clicked on the link to find this and under the title of “Earth’s best defenders are Indigenous. They pay a price: violence.“ (tell that to Haitians, Hondurans, Nicaraguans, Afghanistans, Iraqis, Libyans…)
Now it is a long way from Papua New Guinea to Myanmar and there is an ocean betwixt the two. Myanmar borders India, Bangladesh, China, Thailand, Laos. None border Papua New Guinea but its a broad brush this violence stuff. You can see it or make it anywhere.
After some time reading this shite and identifying slapstick shoddy prose threaded through coherent generalisations I gather this US Institute for Peace is a shabby cover to lend legitimacy to US imperialism and its plunder of resources through the generation and maintenance of conflict.
Here is the agenda of the USA imperial conquest and resource plunder via violence. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 9:43 utc | 38 @ uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 8:31 utc | 35 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2023 10:57 utc | 39 malenkov # 10:57 utc | 39 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 11:04 utc | 40 The US Institute for Peace has a dedicated chapter “Ask the Experts” so I took a peek at the video on Papua New Guinea and an interview “with Gordon Peake — an affiliate at the Center for Australia, New Zealand and Pacific Studies at Georgetown University — about PNG’s fragility, how to address it and the importance of working with civil society to build resilience in the country.” Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 11:25 utc | 41 @tungsten: Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 16 2023 11:26 utc | 42 Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 16 2023 11:26 utc | 42 / Unc. T. & malenkov Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 16 2023 11:47 utc | 43 Johnathan Pie sends us a postcard from the end of the UK. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 11:48 utc | 44
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 16 2023 12:06 utc | 45 Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 16 2023 11:47 utc | 43 Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 16 2023 12:12 utc | 46 Stoltenberg has been selected to run the biggest sovereign investment fund on earth – It has over US$1.19 trillion in assets,and holds 1.4% of all of the world’s listed companies, plus untold real estate and other private investments – the Norwegian Oil Fund. Posted by: Exile | Jun 16 2023 12:21 utc | 47 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 8:31 utc | 35
Could you give me an advice what should I do in order not to be blamed for the actions of the Canadian government? Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 16 2023 12:56 utc | 48 @uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 11:25 utc | 41 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2023 13:47 utc | 49 Chronicles of [Polish] Democracy. @uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 11:48 utc | 44 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2023 13:51 utc | 51 @ alaff | Jun 16 2023 13:51 utc | 50 Posted by: james | Jun 16 2023 13:59 utc | 52 Stoltenberg has been selected to run … – the Norwegian Oil Fund. Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 16 2023 14:07 utc | 53 my problem here is that logic only goes so far… Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 16 2023 14:10 utc | 54 What else could you possibly use to counter his ideas? Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 16 2023 14:16 utc | 55 Tragic accident on the Great Plains, even reported by Tass news. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 16 2023 14:18 utc | 56 @ waynorinorway | Jun 16 2023 14:10 utc | 54 Posted by: james | Jun 16 2023 14:28 utc | 57 people being in a decision making role are people like these neo con folks – nuland and friends.. they aren’t logical.. so where does this ultimately end? the west is completely unhinged at this point… that is my point.. you can say the guy who wrote the article is unhinged, but i think the wests actions to date explain where and why this is headed where it is… Posted by: james | Jun 16 2023 14:31 utc | 58 i mean – what is logical about this war? really.. what is logical about it?? it isn’t logical.. it is nuts.. that is my point.. Posted by: james | Jun 16 2023 14:41 utc | 59 This is so fitting: Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jun 16 2023 15:15 utc | 61 The middle class is that mental illness where people think their own feelings are others’ debts. The logic of this war is a pissing match over who shall be the supreme judge of capitalist property, that’s all. Posted by: Concerned Citizen | Jun 16 2023 15:17 utc | 62 Uncle tungsten no. 44 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jun 16 2023 15:19 utc | 63 It seems to me that it has become transparently obvious that Trump is being subject to prosecution (1) as political maneuver to make campaigning more difficult and (2) as threat/revenge in response to investigation and potential legal action with regard to Biden (and family) corruption – relating to Ukraine and other national/international matters. Posted by: jared | Jun 16 2023 15:29 utc | 64 Putin’s performance at the SPIEF is over but the transcript has yet to be completed, although it appears to be very close. The video is 1:20 minutes, is in Russian and begins with Putin and company’s entry to a standing ovation. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 15 2023 13:05 utc | 2 Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Jun 16 2023 15:33 utc | 66 Uncle Tungsten @44 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 16 2023 15:36 utc | 67 Global Times reports on Gates visit to China, his meeting with Xi, and other related aspects of his visit. There’s plenty of additional commentary. This one excerpt IMO is important as Xi makes the distinction between the “American people” and their government while not mentioning but implying the latter:
As one noted American pundit said, to visit China is to see the future, which is one very important reason for the travel Xi suggests as he knows those impressions become politically important–Soft Power as it’s called. Posted by: james | Jun 16 2023 14:28 utc | 57 Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 16 2023 16:04 utc | 69 Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2023 15:29 utc | 65
Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2023 16:06 utc | 70 I cannot recommend Pepe Escobar’s review of the SPIEF more highly, “Russia’s New Roadmap for Multipolar World”, except as you read you’ll discover it’s not just Russia’s roadmap but the entire RoW Bloc’s. There’s far too much to excerpt, so I won’t do any and urge barflies to read his report. @ waynorinorway | Jun 16 2023 16:04 utc | 69 Posted by: james | Jun 16 2023 17:14 utc | 72 @ waynorinorway | Jun 16 2023 16:04 utc | 69 Posted by: james | Jun 16 2023 17:18 utc | 73 Don Bacon # 13:51 utc | 51
Is he even alive? Perhaps he visited one of those super secure bunkers in Ukraine when its defences were sorely tested. Or perhaps he has been told to stfu as Jens runs the show. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 20:55 utc | 74
https://scheerpost.com/2023/06/16/the-indispensable-truth-seeker-daniel-ellsberg/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 16 2023 21:15 utc | 75 @ Aleph_Null | Jun 16 2023 21:15 utc | 75 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2023 21:31 utc | 76 Bruised Northerner # 15:36 utc | 67 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 21:31 utc | 77 waynorinorway # 16:04 utc | 69 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 21:38 utc | 78 So Ukraine declared full mobilization in Ivano-Frankivsk. Unless they had significant amount already, that’s probably something like 80k to their potential pool of manpower (pop 210k take 55% males of which maybe 65 % of age). Posted by: unimperator | Jun 16 2023 21:48 utc | 79 This press photograph is testimony to how low the profession of journalism has fallen. Posted by: Passerby | Jun 16 2023 21:49 utc | 80 Further to my post #41 and the video from the US Institute for Peace with the pontificating academic bewailing poor governance in countries like Papua New Guinea. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2023 22:35 utc | 81 At the Plenary Session of this year’s SPIEF Putin performed as usual but it wasn’t a solo act as he had as his co-star Algerian President Abdelmadjid Tebboune. I’ve translated the transcripts as usual and they are broken into two parts, Part One and Part Two. I’m going to highlight Mr. Tebboune’s answer to the moderator’s next to last question which is: OPEN MESSAGE TO PETER AU1: Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2023 23:17 utc | 83 @ karlof1 | Jun 16 2023 22:42 utc | 82 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2023 23:27 utc | 84 The Angry Arab As’ad Abukhalil on how Kissinger influenced policy in the Middle East: Posted by: Menz | Jun 16 2023 23:50 utc | 85 It was stated that logic is the only viable means to attain proper conclusions*. This is not true. Posted by: persiflo | Jun 17 2023 1:25 utc | 86 I shall discuss the term Dasein, the language of god, the Weltprinzip, and us speaking (about) it, both meanings at the same time – – – as if we spoke out BEING ITSELF — Posted by: persiflo | Jun 17 2023 1:50 utc | 87 malenkov | Jun 16 2023 23:17 utc | 83– Don Bacon | Jun 16 2023 23:27 utc | 84– Lavrov was interviewed by RT of the SPIEF sidelines. I translated the transcript and published it here. I note what IMO is important to grasp in my preface. Read it closely. The troll scorpion pushes a popular ‘wn’ meme that
Well, G7 , the latest iteration of white armed gang since 8NA, IS anti life, anti ROW, anti Chinese in particular
[the scorpion troll has been pushing that same crap here since his debut in 2022, in his signature long winded , convoluted mumbo jumbo way, prolly to obfuscate his real agenda]
[even when the garden has been expanding into jungle territory relentlessly since time immemorial]
Dont forget the oldest trick in garden play book either…
HOly shit, look out bro..there’s a garden out there ! Posted by: denk | Jun 17 2023 3:05 utc | 91 @ karlof1 | Jun 16 2023 16:40 utc | 71 Posted by: james | Jun 17 2023 3:30 utc | 92 james | Jun 17 2023 3:30 utc | 92– waynorinorway # 16:04 utc | 69
I am primarily a reader here, not much of a contributer, and most grateful to all who do provide the great content. The world Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 17 2023 4:53 utc | 94 RT reports the first major indicator I’ve read that the EU is imploding: “Germany has no more money for EU – finance minister.”
This paragraph provides the meat of the matter: “SPIEF Moderator Tells Sputnik What Putin is Prepared to Do to Protect Russia’s Interests” is an excellent analysis by the man who composed and asked the questions. I hope barflies take note of this, read it and watch the embedded interview. Marvelous! @ karlof1 | Jun 17 2023 5:40 utc | 96 with all the links and context…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 17 2023 6:00 utc | 97 Pentagon just starts sending real-time satellite data to Canada to help detect wildfires. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 17 2023 7:52 utc | 98
Thank you for this report, I wasn’t aware that Lindner said that. It had to happen at some point. I have no idea how well-known this fact is outside of Germany: decades of tight “responsible” budgets and “fiscal prucence” (you may have heard of the black zero, “schwarze Null”, referring to no debt) led to a Germany lacking billions in investments (even upkeep!) in roads, railways, schools, universities, hospitals, digital infrastructure.
I for one will be happy to see the EU go down the drain. The earlier the better! I believe that “Europe” is still positively connotated for most Germans but the euphoria of the early phase is long gone. I guess that in Spain, Italy, Greece, folks are wary of Brussels and its projection of German power. Posted by: Konami | Jun 17 2023 10:39 utc | 99 With Germany mortally wounded, so is the EU. Posted by: Passerby | Jun 17 2023 11:43 utc | 100 |
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