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June 1, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-132
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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The primary objective of the Begerod incursion was to set in motion, or trigger, both a miltary and a popular uprising in Russia. The invaders, who were ukrainian not Russian, call themselves russian partisans. They are not. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 1 2023 22:26 utc | 101 Gene Poole | Jun 1 2023 22:06 utc | 107 Posted by: Mercury | Jun 1 2023 22:27 utc | 102 There will be no direct NATO involvement. Posted by: Suresh | Jun 1 2023 22:29 utc | 103 FVK | Jun 1 2023 17:18 utc | 46
Romanians aren’t the problem, romanian politicians etc. are Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jun 1 2023 22:36 utc | 104 The Ukies might also try to take Transnistria and hold that hostage to trade for Crimea. Posted by: Fudup | Jun 1 2023 22:37 utc | 105 “The all new Toyota ISIS: Fighting for You!” Posted by: Golddiggr | Jun 1 2023 22:46 utc | 106 The Ukies might also try to take Transnistria and hold that hostage to trade for Crimea. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 1 2023 22:48 utc | 107 Lex #21:37 utc | 102
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:02 utc | 108 Gene Poole | Jun 1 2023 22:06 utc | 107 Posted by: Mercury | Jun 1 2023 23:11 utc | 109 Ceaclearly | Jun 1 2023 18:39 utc | 63
Yes, because you are, clearly, fick as shit, mmm kay? Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jun 1 2023 23:17 utc | 110 In the May 31st open thread: Posted by: line islands | Jun 1 2023 23:17 utc | 111 grunzt #22:01 utc | 105
Thank you for reminding me. Here is Vikky the bikky blathering about her divine purpose:
There is much more in Nulands answer but best read entirely to get the full picture.
Russia proposed a treaty formutually assured security and the return of NATO to its 1991 borders. It was handed to the USA and NATO in December 2021. It was ignored by the former and scorned by the latter. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:26 utc | 112 Posted by: Gene Poole | Jun 1 2023 22:06 utc | 107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FplMOhIOde0 Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 1 2023 23:31 utc | 113
Was that 300 Billion dollars that the USA parted with for this gang? Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:37 utc | 114 So one of the best news aggregator twitter accounts has been “disappeared”. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 0:03 utc | 115 Obviously this is not directly related to the current situation and should be taken with a spoon of salt but, one wonders if the call for F16 fighter jets is just an excuse to roll out some: “Oh sorry that thing was flying on it’s own, all the way through where it should not fly. But it was’nt us it was just a software error”. Posted by: Pet | Jun 2 2023 0:06 utc | 116 Thierry Meysann, who is always worth reading, on the Chinese peace initiative: Posted by: bevin | Jun 2 2023 0:23 utc | 117 @Fudup:
well, you could be on to something, but if so they weren’t paying attention when the Chechnyans tried that during the 90’s. It ended with all the terrorists and the hostages dead. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 2 2023 0:25 utc | 118 Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 0:03 utc | 124– Zelensky. Another day, another performance. This time commencement address at John Hopkins U. Anne Applebaum introduced him. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 0:29 utc | 120 🇺🇦 Explosions continue in Kyiv Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 2 2023 0:58 utc | 121 If the spring offensive is a propaganda ploy hasn’t it already backfired massively as it is now June? Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 2 2023 1:00 utc | 122 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Jun 2 2023 1:06 utc | 123 @shadowbanned | Jun 1 2023 17:36 utc | 50 Posted by: AlexShadow | Jun 2 2023 1:21 utc | 124
Look at maps of the 8th, 9th and 12th centuries. Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 1:27 utc | 126 uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:37 utc | 123 Posted by: dh | Jun 2 2023 1:36 utc | 127 dh #139 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 2 2023 2:08 utc | 128 uncle tungsten | Jun 2 2023 2:08 utc | 142 Posted by: dh | Jun 2 2023 2:21 utc | 129 uncle tungsten: for authentic flavor substitute the hemp leaves with a liberal sprinkling of cocaine powder. Posted by: malenkov | Jun 2 2023 2:23 utc | 130 Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 2 2023 2:06 utc | 141 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 2 2023 2:30 utc | 131 Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 2 2023 0:19 utc | 126 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 2 2023 2:33 utc | 132 karlof1 | Jun 2 2023 0:28 utc | 130 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 2:34 utc | 133 Re: Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 1 2023 17:38 utc | 51 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 2 2023 3:08 utc | 134 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 2 2023 3:02 utc | 153 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2023 3:23 utc | 135 dh #144 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 2 2023 4:07 utc | 136 Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 2:34 utc | 149– Some more details on the Swedish “Carl Gustav” anti-tank weapon. Posted by: DakotaRog | Jun 2 2023 5:13 utc | 138 1) Romania was controlled by Bulgarians for most of the Middle Ages Posted by: MiniMo | Jun 2 2023 5:15 utc | 139 Re: Moldova Posted by: Exile | Jun 2 2023 5:19 utc | 140
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 2 2023 5:31 utc | 141 Here’s some excerpts from Wikipedia on the “re-latinization” of Romania which happened from the 17th-19th century. Posted by: MiniMo | Jun 2 2023 5:37 utc | 142
You can see 6 explosions on the ground, at the end of the video the PAC-3 or IRIS-T system launched a missile on a 35 degree angle on the ground level, rises for a small time and then turns back toward the ground and crashes. Maybe A/D or two hit again. Posted by: unimperator | Jun 2 2023 5:39 utc | 143 Posted by: DakotaRog | Jun 2 2023 5:13 utc | 170 Posted by: Milites | Jun 2 2023 6:01 utc | 144
That is correct. And in churches it was Old Slavonic that was used. Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 6:23 utc | 145
Indeed. It should also be mentioned that this happens during the time when there wasn’t even a Greek model to follow — Greece would only become a thing in the early 19th century, and while obviously there was a patriarch in Constantinople and Greek was widely spoken in the Ottoman empire, the Ottoman empire was Turkic. Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 6:34 utc | 146 Posted by: Mercury | 110 Posted by: Rattus | Jun 2 2023 6:39 utc | 147 Seen this in the Guardian. Blaming ‘Anti Putin partisans on shelling Belgorod! Posted by: whitebeach | Jun 2 2023 6:46 utc | 148 Mercouris sometimes makes some shrewd observations. In his latest he says that Putin now refers to the area in question as “The territories known as the Ukraine” as if this were a temprary designation, and that Medvedev now says that the Kiev regime must be overthrown. Perhaps Russian plans are solidifying and coming into clearer focus. Posted by: Tim | Jun 2 2023 7:01 utc | 149
Medvedev’s words yesterday were much harhser — he said that they have to be destroyed and a minute later that they have to be exterminated. And the first time he threw in the US and the UK too together with the Ukrainians.
Zero shame. Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 7:09 utc | 150 Posted by: whitebeach | Jun 2 2023 6:46 utc | 149 Posted by: unimperator | Jun 2 2023 7:21 utc | 151 Russian Ministry of Defense Posted by: Shebekino | Jun 2 2023 7:46 utc | 152 Posted by: unimperator | 152 Posted by: Rattus | Jun 2 2023 7:47 utc | 153 Posted by: whitebeach | Jun 2 2023 6:46 utc | 149 Posted by: Milites | Jun 2 2023 8:23 utc | 154 Putin the ‘Sans’ in partisans Posted by: Tim | Jun 2 2023 8:36 utc | 155 Posted by: whitebeach | Jun 2 2023 6:46 utc | 149 Posted by: Tim | Jun 2 2023 8:37 utc | 156 Posted by: Exile | Jun 2 2023 5:19 utc | 141 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 2 2023 8:39 utc | 157
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Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:54 utc | 163 Posted by: Exile | Jun 1 2023 15:43 utc | 2 Posted by: Paul GV | Jun 2 2023 8:54 utc | 164 Tim @ 157 Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2023 8:57 utc | 165
https://t.me/rezident_ua/18079 Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:57 utc | 166
https://t.me/rezident_ua/18082 Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:59 utc | 167
https://t.me/rezident_ua/18085 Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 9:00 utc | 168
https://t.me/rezident_ua/18091 Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 9:04 utc | 169 @shadowbanned wrote:
Absolutely wrong, esp. the Slovakia part. I know because I live there… yes, the Slovakia is largely Catholic, but at least half, if not majority, of the people newer viewed Russians as enemies. Posted by: jo_svk | Jun 2 2023 9:13 utc | 170
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Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:40 utc | 174 I thought this might be a fun one to dissect! Posted by: jpc | Jun 2 2023 9:44 utc | 175 https://t.me/WarDonbass/114850
Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:46 utc | 176 https://t.me/WarDonbass/114850
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Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 2 2023 9:47 utc | 178 https://t.me/WarDonbass/114827
Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:48 utc | 179 Posted by: Milites | Jun 1 2023 20:33 utc | 83 Posted by: anon | Jun 2 2023 9:48 utc | 180 https://t.me/WarDonbass/114824
Total disgrace… Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:49 utc | 181 https://t.me/WarDonbass/114821
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That’s how you know a CIPSO plant. Killing a 10-year old boy was not a disgrace, but evacuating civilians is. Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 2 2023 10:15 utc | 183 “Just yesterday, a pair of U.S. Air Force B-1B Lancer bombers flew low over Sarajevo and several other Bosnian cities as a demonstration of “a rock-solid commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity” Posted by: RiNS | Jun 2 2023 10:16 utc | 184 In parallel, Russia began to actively hit targets sensitive to Kyiv – from large NATO ammunition depots to American air defense systems – which sharply reduced the potential that Ukraine was going to use for its “counterattack”. That is why the United States started talking about postponing Ukraine’s offensive to the summer. Although the head of the GUR – the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Independent Kirill Budanov promised “to enter the Crimea before the end of spring.” However, he did not name the year. Posted by: ostro | Jun 2 2023 10:18 utc | 185 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 1 2023 22:26 utc | 102 “The invaders, who were ukrainian not Russian” Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 2 2023 10:22 utc | 186 Posted by: RiNS | Jun 2 2023 10:16 utc | 185 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jun 2 2023 10:27 utc | 187 Posted by: Sushi | Jun 1 2023 18:51 utc | 279 Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 2 2023 10:30 utc | 188 Posted by: ostro | Jun 2 2023 10:18 utc | 186 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jun 2 2023 10:31 utc | 189
Not funny at all. There are lots of other peoples in Russia besides Russians. You can be from Russia but not Russian, why is it seems funny to you? Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 2 2023 10:31 utc | 190 Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:59 utc | 168 Posted by: Milites | Jun 2 2023 10:35 utc | 191 milchron: Posted by: IS38L | Jun 2 2023 10:36 utc | 192 The Washington Post has never heard of snipers or night vision scopes etc:
This is too good. Maybe we should never tell them or disturb their ignorance. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 2 2023 10:41 utc | 193
… very good post and very much appreciated … Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jun 2 2023 10:43 utc | 194
… very good post and very much appreciated … Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jun 2 2023 10:46 utc | 195 Modern Grad rockets can have a range of 40km, with 50% range extension that’s 60km. We can both guess at the effect of being able to precisely drop grad rockets out to that range at $2000 apiece would be. Posted by: jpc | Jun 2 2023 10:46 utc | 196 Now that there are growing indications that a Russian passport, the authenticity of which is still being checked, may have been found on the person who sneakily placed a sandbag in the path of the American president last night, over which the president fell, the European Commission, headed by Ursula von der Leiden, is discussing new drastic sanctions against the Russian regime. This cowardly and deceitful action must not go unanswered. To bring down elderly people with handicaps in the most underhanded way is not a trivial offense, von der Leiden said. The rule of law is called upon here. Posted by: Shoplifter | Jun 2 2023 10:48 utc | 197
Sure, and all the Russian patriotic and military bloggers who are screaming the exact same thing are CIPSO plants too. Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 10:51 utc | 198 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2023 136 Posted by: John2007 | Jun 2 2023 10:52 utc | 199 Exile | Jun 1 2023 15:43 utc | 2 Posted by: rk | Jun 2 2023 10:53 utc | 200 |
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