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June 1, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-132

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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The primary objective of the Begerod incursion was to set in motion, or trigger, both a miltary and a popular uprising in Russia. The invaders, who were ukrainian not Russian, call themselves russian partisans. They are not.
These attempts, by the failing kiev regime, to stimulate unrest on the streets of Russia’s cities, are failing miserably. Kiev’s bosses in the west have miscalculated, playing the colour revolution card in a country in which it’s National Endowment for Democracy funded NGO’s have been nullified and do not have the same influence in the Russian world as they had in west ukraine world. All the signs are that Russians are holding firm.
RUSSIA HOLDS! THEY SHALL NOT PASS!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 1 2023 22:26 utc | 101

Gene Poole | Jun 1 2023 22:06 utc | 107
From my 1st link upthread @96:
In ten years, the number of American laboratories engaged in developing ways to protect against bioterrorism, according to the official version, has grown from 20 to 400. Secret biological centres have appeared in Africa and Latin and America, biological laboratories of unknown function have opened in Ukraine and Georgia, and it is also planned to open a biological centre in Kazakhstan in 2015. The majority of these activities are being supervised by the Pentagon.
….so I guess that doesn’t stop them from trying…or profiting from pharmaceutical antigens. Lets hope not.

Posted by: Mercury | Jun 1 2023 22:27 utc | 102

There will be no direct NATO involvement.
Possible “no fly zone” by coalition of the stupid but unachievable.
Korean Solution is only “win” situation for the West, and no possibility of Russia playing along. So, what next? The dam bursting.
Meanwhile….., hold,…hold,…

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 1 2023 22:29 utc | 103

FVK | Jun 1 2023 17:18 utc | 46

Yes, Romania as well. I had held out hope that Romania would see the light and not go along with western plans, but unfortately that didn’t happen.

Romanians aren’t the problem, romanian politicians etc. are

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jun 1 2023 22:36 utc | 104

The Ukies might also try to take Transnistria and hold that hostage to trade for Crimea.
I keep thinking that Zelenski knows he cannot win militarily and wants to try to win in any way possible, no matter how evil or cruel.
WW3, comin’ up!
I cannot see how this ends well for anyone.

Posted by: Fudup | Jun 1 2023 22:37 utc | 105

“The all new Toyota ISIS: Fighting for You!”
I hate to see Toyota made fun of like that. They are good vehicles.
But i do see why they mount weapons in the bed of the Trucks.
Unlike Bradleys and Strykers. Toyotas start and run great every time you turn the key.

Posted by: Golddiggr | Jun 1 2023 22:46 utc | 106

The Ukies might also try to take Transnistria and hold that hostage to trade for Crimea.
Posted by: Fudup | Jun 1 2023 22:37 utc | 1134
Yes I was wondering that too. It seems unusual that the regime in kiev woould want to invade Russia in the north, whilst transnistria seems a very easy target with only a thousand russian troops there and no land bridge. It’s my opinion the Moldovans are stopping them, not wanting to become invoved themselves.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 1 2023 22:48 utc | 107

Lex #21:37 utc | 102

So either the US leadership is truly crazy or it craves a big war.
Of course it isn’t prepared for a big war.

How right you are.

Defense News has reached out to Office of Inspector General for the Defense Department to identify the contractor.
The team subsequently found that all six howitzers had operational issues. Four of the six howitzers had breech blocks improperly aligned with the rack gear, which prevented the breech from correctly locking. A breech not properly locked could result in an explosion that could kill the crew, the report noted.
Additionally, all six howitzers contained reused, old hydraulic fluid, which is not allowed because the fluid degrades over time and could lead to “disastrous results and malfunctions of critical systems,” the inspector general found.
The contractor paid the mobile repair team $114,000 for labor and travel expenses, according to the report.
As the howitzers were being prepared to leave Kuwait for shipment to Europe on June 21, 2022, one of the howitzers experienced a brake fire, likely due to the contractor not releasing the parking brake when moving it, according to the report, which cited a specialist with the mobile repair team. The contractor claimed it was likely due to leaking brake fluid, the report noted.
When the howitzers reached Poland for distribution to Ukraine, officials there said all six howitzers still had faults that made them non-mission capable, according to the report, including worn firing pins and issues with the firing mechanism. The repairs cost about $17,490 in labor and materials.
Officials said they were able to avoid delays in getting the howitzers to Ukraine, but the inspector general noted in the report the inadequate maintenance on the howitzers highlights the need to consider the time it would take to maintain and repair equipment coming from the APS site in Kuwait for Ukraine.
Tire troubles
Prior to August 2022, the 401st declared 28 of 29 Humvees as fully mission capable, but when it received an order to pull those out for Ukraine on Aug. 24, only three of the 29 were ready, the inspector general said.
Problems with the Humvees included dead batteries, inoperative lights, faulty gauges, damaged seat belts, broken door lock latches and fluid leaks, the report listed.
In order to meet the deadline to ship the equipment to Europe, the contractor took parts from other Humvees in the inventory, including in one case a transmission, “potentially making that equipment non-mission capable,” the report noted.
When the vehicles arrived in Poland, officials there reported one of the tires on a Humvee was shredded due to dry rot. When the tire was replaced with a spare, that one also failed due to dry rot, the report described.
The officials in Poland opened up work orders to replace tires damaged with dry rot in September 2022. Additionally, the vehicles did not come with spare tires, the officials noted, causing concern they would cross the border and fail with no means to replace tires there.
Tires were ultimately pulled from other equipment for the Humvees headed to Ukraine.
The process delayed delivery to Ukraine and required significant labor and time, “pulling soldiers away from primary duties,” and cost $173,524 for labor and material, the report added.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:02 utc | 108

Gene Poole | Jun 1 2023 22:06 utc | 107
I’d like to add that I hope you are right and mention Sir Martin Rees:
Sir Martin Rees is author of Our Final Hour published 2003 – it’s a grim warning of the future. Rees was a scientific advisor to Queen Elizabeth II, Royal society professor at Cambridge, Fellow at Kings College etc.
In 2017 he made a prognostication on Soros’s Long Bets Website:
A bioterror or bioerror will lead to one million casualties in a single event within a six month period starting no later than Dec 31 02020 .
..which turned out pretty close! his books suggest all that stands between the human species and a lab supervirus is a sense of responsibility among biologists. I see another bet coming.

Posted by: Mercury | Jun 1 2023 23:11 utc | 109

Ceaclearly | Jun 1 2023 18:39 utc | 63

Am I the only one who thinks that when the US is doing it’s war games in June over next to Russia, that would be a perfect time for China to do something militarily to secure Taiwan.

Yes, because you are, clearly, fick as shit, mmm kay?

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jun 1 2023 23:17 utc | 110

In the May 31st open thread:
Before we denounce Bulgaria, there is this story of the King of Bulgaria refusing to hand over any Jews during WWII.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 1 2023 8:52 utc | 173
Bulgaria murdered nearly all Jews in occupied territory and those in Bulgaria “proper” were ghettoized. The king had signed an order to deport them to the death camps but died before he could carry it through. Bulgarian historiography is as dishonest as it comes.
That’s why Macedonia and Bulgaria are now barely on speaking terms. Bulgaria just recalled its ambassador over Macedonia (correctly) objecting to Bulgaria’s rehabilitation, beginning in earnest last year, of the fascist tsar.

Posted by: line islands | Jun 1 2023 23:17 utc | 111

grunzt #22:01 utc | 105

But it is incredible how deep this Biden & Nuland team has involved us in this sh*t – Russia may soon be mobilizing up to 2 million soldiers.
You may point to Biden’s dementia all you like, but he is still the one whose will is being executed, and who is the driving force behind all this. Or should we assume that it is Obama, Clinton and other bystanders from the Council of Foreign Relations, who are the primary instigators, and Biden just happens to be in agreement with them?

Thank you for reminding me. Here is Vikky the bikky blathering about her divine purpose:

Nuland was asked at the interview’s end: what are the U.S. Government’s bottom-line minimal acceptable results from this war. (Obviously, if neither Netanyahu nor anyone else will be able to meet these minimal U.S. requirements, then the U.S. side of this war will not stop, and the war will continue, and so there will be no negotiated end of this war

There is much more in Nulands answer but best read entirely to get the full picture.
Then there is this deeper background from theduran.com on the evolution of the entire neoconservative project with Nuland included as a mighty significant player over multiple presidencies:

Here is Victoria Nuland, of the Bill Clinton, and of the George W. Bush, and of the Barack Obama, and of the Joe Biden, Administrations, setting forth in more detail than any high official of the U.S. Government yet has done, the Rhodesist viewpoint, regarding the war in Ukraine, and why the U.S. Government is preparing to go as far as into WW III, if necessary, to defeat Russia in Ukraine. She speaks there for both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, because both Parties, in both houses of the U.S. Congress, are nearly 100% on board with that viewpoint, the Rhodesist viewpoint. This view, which some call “neoconservatism,” originated with Cecil Rhodes, back in 1877. They’re virtually 100% for the billionaires, against the public, and carrying it out regarding both Russia and China. But, to do that, there would have to be a nuclear war involving the U.S. and its allies, on one side, versus Russia and China, on the other. For the U.S. and its allies, the goal would be global conquest. For both Russia and China, the goal of defending themselves against the constantly hyper-aggressive neoconservative alliance would be to protect themselves against losing their national sovereignty to the U.S. Consequently: whether there will be that World War Three is a decision that can be made only in Washington DC. That is the hunter, and Russia and China are its biggest prey. Among the super-powers, the aggression comes solely from the U.S.A. Its allies are merely the members of its gang, all of which would need to be destroyed, since the U.S. gang refuses to stop their constant aggressions, which are intended ultimately to conquer the entire world, in accord with what had been Rhodes’s plan.

Russia proposed a treaty formutually assured security and the return of NATO to its 1991 borders. It was handed to the USA and NATO in December 2021. It was ignored by the former and scorned by the latter.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:26 utc | 112

Posted by: Gene Poole | Jun 1 2023 22:06 utc | 107

The Slavs are one of the most genetically mixed populations on the planet so the chances of a specifically Slavic biomarker are close to nil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FplMOhIOde0
I know, I know … You will now pull your strongest argument: I2a were not a Slavs but Illyrians who magically disappeared from Roman Empire somewhere in the seventh century and their place was taken by Slavs.
Somehow Romans lost any records regarding those migrations.

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 1 2023 23:31 utc | 113

Ukraine has retaken Crimea.

The head of the GUR of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov, said today that Ukraine has taken Crimea “purely psychologically”.
“Today the occupiers have a holiday: supposedly we did not keep our promise to enter Crimea before the end of spring. There is such a thing as a psychological counteroffensive. Impress the enemy with the inevitability of defeat.
I think that we have completely succeeded. Purely psychologically, we took the Crimea.
As a military man, I will say that this is sometimes more important than real clashes with the enemy. This is an unconditional victory for our army, which will go down in military history textbooks, ” he said.

Was that 300 Billion dollars that the USA parted with for this gang?
Its almost enough to make a Philadelphia lawyer look like a holy man.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:37 utc | 114

So one of the best news aggregator twitter accounts has been “disappeared”.
Anyone got a telegram for the @Spriter99880 account ?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 0:03 utc | 115

Obviously this is not directly related to the current situation and should be taken with a spoon of salt but, one wonders if the call for F16 fighter jets is just an excuse to roll out some: “Oh sorry that thing was flying on it’s own, all the way through where it should not fly. But it was’nt us it was just a software error”.
Extract:
“Hamilton is the Operations Commander of the 96th Test Wing of the U.S. Air Force as well as the Chief of AI Test and Operations. The 96th tests a lot of different systems, including AI, cybersecurity, and various medical advances. Hamilton and the 96th previously made headlines for developing Autonomous Ground Collision Avoidance Systems (Auto-GCAS) systems for F-16s, which can help prevent them from crashing into the ground. Hamilton is part of a team that is currently working on making F-16 planes autonomous. In December 2022, the U.S. Department of Defense’s research agency, DARPA, announced that AI could successfully control an F-16. ”
Whole article:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zakb/ai-has-successfully-piloted-a-us-f-16-fighter-jet-darpa-says
and
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a33gj/ai-controlled-drone-goes-rogue-kills-human-operator-in-usaf-simulated-test

Posted by: Pet | Jun 2 2023 0:06 utc | 116

Thierry Meysann, who is always worth reading, on the Chinese peace initiative:
“….contrary to what they claim, the United States does not want Ukraine to win. Such a victory would mean that a small country is capable of defeating Russia, while the United States dares not confront it. This would be their worst humiliation.
“Above all, it is clear to outside observers that the purpose of sending second-hand weapons to Ukraine is not to defeat Russia, but to titillate it into revealing its new weapons. The West didn’t seriously observe the Russian army in Syria, too busy as they were having jihadists destroy the Syrian state. When, in 2018, President Vladimir Putin claimed to have mastered hypersonic missiles, laser weapons and nuclear-powered missiles [3], the West called his bluff. They now know he was telling the truth, but do not know the characteristics of these weapons or whether they have the means to counter them.
“In the Ukrainian conflict, Moscow is showing great patience. It would rather suffer losses than play its cards. The only new weapons that have been used are Nato’s command jamming systems (tested in real-life conditions in the Black Sea as early as 2014 [4], in Kaliningrad, off the coast of Korea [5]), and in the Middle East [6]; and Kinjal hypersonic missiles (tested in real-life conditions in Ukraine since March 2022). The Ukrainians claim to have shot them down, but this is clearly just shameless propaganda. For the time being, they are invincible, and Russia is now mass-producing them. They reached underground bunkers on March 9 and just destroyed a Patriot system on May 16….”
https://www.voltairenet.org/article219379.html

Posted by: bevin | Jun 2 2023 0:23 utc | 117

@Fudup:

I am beginning to think the new Ukrainian plan is to invade Russia, take a few villages hostage and try to trade them for Crimea, or something close

well, you could be on to something, but if so they weren’t paying attention when the Chechnyans tried that during the 90’s. It ended with all the terrorists and the hostages dead.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 2 2023 0:25 utc | 118

Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 0:03 utc | 124–
He’s bounced around to so many different accounts over the years he’ll show up yet again. I see the account’s still there, but its two hours old which is unusual.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 2 2023 0:28 utc | 119

Zelensky. Another day, another performance. This time commencement address at John Hopkins U. Anne Applebaum introduced him.
https://twitter.com/pravda_eng/status/1661824464005496832
He had a standing ovation from students before he uttered a word.
Another generation lost to the brainwashing.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 0:29 utc | 120

🇺🇦 Explosions continue in Kyiv
Safer for Zelensky to stay on the rubber chicken circuit. Looks like another long night in the air raid shelters for the locals.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 2 2023 0:58 utc | 121

If the spring offensive is a propaganda ploy hasn’t it already backfired massively as it is now June?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 2 2023 1:00 utc | 122

Some videos for today.
Chechen Akhmat special forces on offensive in Donbass – MoD:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/AKHMAT-yt:2
Russian forces crush Banderite terrorists attempting to attack Belgorod oblast:
https://rutube.ru/video/6358336c6c01c445efb75352ea462971/
US “Newsmax” propagandists tried using footage of Davenport, Iowa housing collapse to depict Kiev regime drone attack on Moscow:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/newsmax_0106:7
Russian Grad launcher pounds the enemy:
https://rutube.ru/video/6e83e0dff76a2c0ff69e23bd89494323/
Russian heavy flamethrower destroys arms depots and fortified Kiev regime positions:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/SOLNTSEPYOK0106:a
Russian Ka-52 conducts airstrike:
https://rutube.ru/video/6fd2bcd668e2e35d2db1bb4252f85ae3/
Kiev regime squad gets destroyed:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/rEBvEjunL7y2QBQ:5

Posted by: Nate | Jun 2 2023 1:06 utc | 123

@shadowbanned | Jun 1 2023 17:36 utc | 50
1) Romania was controlled by Bulgarians for most of the Middle Ages
2) Romania ended up as a “Latin” country
Both these claims are false. Romania is a Latin country, with Romanian language one of the closest to Latin language among the 5 Latin languages. As for Bulgaria, it was a province in Ottoman Empire since late 14th century, so I really fail to see how Bulgarians would control Romanians under these circumstances

Posted by: AlexShadow | Jun 2 2023 1:21 utc | 124

“Please stick to the topic”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 2 2023 1:22 utc | 125

Both these claims are false. Romania is a Latin country, with Romanian language one of the closest to Latin language among the 5 Latin languages. As for Bulgaria, it was a province in Ottoman Empire since late 14th century, so I really fail to see how Bulgarians would control Romanians under these circumstances
Posted by: AlexShadow | Jun 2 2023 1:21 utc | 136

Look at maps of the 8th, 9th and 12th centuries.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 1:27 utc | 126

uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:37 utc | 123
Retaking Crimea psychologically will be music to Nuland’s ears. She can start work on the psychological NATO base there.

Posted by: dh | Jun 2 2023 1:36 utc | 127

dh #139
I am tempted to create Crimea chicken this weekend to commemorate the imagined victory. Lots of Turmeric for a solid yellow tone and a black sun in cloves, under the chicken of course. Topped with hemp leaves to open the upper chakra and enable psychological supremacy.
At this rate of Ukraine stupidity it could be worthwhile to leave these clowns in place and just repeat text their statements to every mobile device in the country. Maybe that iPhone back door could yet be weaponised by Russia.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 2 2023 2:08 utc | 128

uncle tungsten | Jun 2 2023 2:08 utc | 142
There is nothing quite like a psychological victory to raise morale. One more and Ukraine won’t need tanks and F16s anymore.

Posted by: dh | Jun 2 2023 2:21 utc | 129

uncle tungsten: for authentic flavor substitute the hemp leaves with a liberal sprinkling of cocaine powder.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 2 2023 2:23 utc | 130

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 2 2023 2:06 utc | 141
i start identifying as a geezer as soon as i see or hear the words “senior discount”. i’m not sure what the proper pronoun is tho.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 2 2023 2:30 utc | 131

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 2 2023 0:19 utc | 126
i think it’s mostly trolls, maybe a specific subset of trolls. i’ve wondered if the various trolls in here always recognize each other. i suspect we have representatives of the US intel community and the brits, and the Israelis, not sure how many others.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 2 2023 2:33 utc | 132

karlof1 | Jun 2 2023 0:28 utc | 130
“He’s bounced around to so many different accounts over the years he’ll show up yet again.”
Hope so. He does excellent aggregating.
“I see the account’s still there, but its two hours old which is unusual.”
Not for me. I got an unambiguous “Account does not exist”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 2:34 utc | 133

Re: Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 1 2023 17:38 utc | 51
Just quit. Obviously Russia invested heavily in “doomsday” deterrence as you suggest, but they obviously also invested in a boatload array of all kinds and spectrums of defensive and state of the art offensive conventional weapons capabilities for air, sea and land use. Putins “lamenting” as you claim, about “deterrence” , is simply the obvious choice of escalation the west appears to want to take the conflict.
Any decent leader would lament over the coming destruction, not ours though, not the West, they believe that nary a drone will even fly over their sky.
Time will tell.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 2 2023 3:08 utc | 134

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 2 2023 3:02 utc | 153
“some of them affect innocence, just asking questions, and always circle back to the talking points–Russia is losing, they have done nothing, etc etc.”
This is the definition of a concern troll. Another tactic seen here recently is to make up fantasies about how Russia “coulda-woulda” lose. People who spend most of their time fantasizing how Russia will or might lose seem to me to be pretty obviously not on Russia’s side. That they are concern trolls is clear because no matter how much you point out the overall military balance between Russia and Ukraine (even accounting for NATO support), they just come up with more BS the next day.
“aside from subject matter, some of them seem to be skilled debaters”
Shadowbanned is the best I’ve seen so far. But it’s not hard to be a “skilled debater” if you just ignore the opposing points, or twist them, or invent “facts” via assertions, which is what most of these trolls do. I spotted Shadowbanned as a concern troll in a half second, but everyone here stills engages him. I think his approach helps because he doesn’t just do drive-bys, he spends a large amount of time here writing substantial posts. This encourages people to engage him.
Let’s pray the rest of the trolls don’t start that, you can kiss this site good-bye.
“do all of them steal names to disrupt conversations?”
Well, since we don’t know who they are, how can one tell except by “fingerprinting” their style – like a hacker “fingerprints” a browser. See here:
The Top Browser Fingerprinting Techniques Explained
https://fingerprint.com/blog/browser-fingerprinting-techniques/
I don’t know if b could implement that sort of thing on this platform, but it would certainly help. IP address is not reliable, unless the troll can’t be bothered to use a VPN or change his web proxy. Troll farms are probably smart enough to use different IP addresses to avoid being easily spotted.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2023 3:23 utc | 135

dh #144
My secret service friend tells me that khinzal is an ancient Bulgarian herb known to cure abreactive stupor and like psychological imaginings of grandeur. Fortunately the Russians have these cures in abundance and are rushing them to every ukraian orifice.
Those Bulgarian ancients were smart bastards.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 2 2023 4:07 utc | 136

Melaleuca | Jun 2 2023 2:34 utc | 149–
Just reloaded his page. The most recent tweet is 6 hrs. old now. Yes, I’ve followed him since 2015.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 2 2023 4:31 utc | 137

Some more details on the Swedish “Carl Gustav” anti-tank weapon.
Sorry if someone mentioned this already but the units of the U.S. Army use this weapon. The ones that showed up on the Ukie black market certainly could have come from the Swedish government themselves. It also could have come part of the various military aid packages that the U.S. gov has given the AFU. I have no real idea and don’t really care.
My Army kid says this thing beats the shit out of a person shooting it from the shoulder. In practice, they generally don’t shoot more than 2 rounds each so probably not the best weapon for sustained combat. He told me that he heard of a story were one stud muffin shot 7 Carl Gustavs from the shoulder in one day. The downside for that guy was that he spent the next 2 weeks recovering. Then again, as the kid said tonight, in a real combat situation, no one is going to count how many times a person can shoot the weapon if death is around the corner any given moment.
So, perhaps a step up from a “one shot and your done” type of weapon but certainly not the best weapon to give to dismounted infantry for a sustained fight.

Posted by: DakotaRog | Jun 2 2023 5:13 utc | 138

1) Romania was controlled by Bulgarians for most of the Middle Ages
2) Romania ended up as a “Latin” country
Both these claims are false. Romania is a Latin country, with Romanian language one of the closest to Latin language among the 5 Latin languages. As for Bulgaria, it was a province in Ottoman Empire since late 14th century, so I really fail to see how Bulgarians would control Romanians under these circumstances
Posted by: AlexShadow | Jun 2 2023 1:21 utc | 136
The Romanian language was artificially Latinized in the 17th century. In doing this they also took out many of the Slavic words in their language but some still exist today.

Posted by: MiniMo | Jun 2 2023 5:15 utc | 139

Re: Moldova
NATO needs to weaken Russia/Eurasia before attacking. Therefore, NATO focuses on destabilizing the periphery. We are likely going to see more of this all around the periphery of Eurasia over the next year.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 2 2023 5:19 utc | 140

Good morning Country!
(from FighterBomber (https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12563) and @TrFormer)
Subscribers from Kiev say that the Russian Air Force carried out this night a control shot in the head of the no longer resisting “Patriot” air defense system, which tells us, as it were, several things:
Indeed, all our previous strikes on the complex were effective, but the illumination and targeting station (the key machine of the complex) after the first strike was either not hit or received minor damage.
Judging by today’s execution, it can be assumed that the station was hit by a second strike, or was taken out for repairs, which made it possible today to safely finish off the remains of the launchers with missiles inside.
Well, the second version of today’s sluggish work of Ukrainian air defense is that they stupidly ran out of anti-aircraft missiles. Not only the “Patriot”, but in general.
For even if a complex and a missile have a 99% probability of hitting the target (and there are no complexes that kill targets with a 100% probability), this means that two or more missiles must be launched to ensure the destruction of one target. And when a hundred targets arrive, you need about 250 missiles to fight back. And where to get them Ukrainians?
Of course, you can launch one missile, assess whether there was a hit and reluctantly launch a second one, and so on. But this is when the targts are appearing one by one and there is time to evaluate. Our blows do not give Ukrainians such a chance. All rockets, mopeds, decoys arrive in Kuev at the same time. Go there and appreciate it.
Of course, the coming days will show how things are going with air defense in Kiev, and nothing prevents the Americans from fitting ten more air defense systems to Ukrainians and pouring a thousand missiles, but in any case, those who planned and conducted this execution, albeit extended in time, well done!
Each member of the combat crew, each ukies air defense system, must know that they are the number one target in this war.
And sooner or later their coffin will be covered with an American or German flag and sent home.
Translated from FighterBomber (https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12563)
“>https://t.me/TrFormer/10464

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 2 2023 5:31 utc | 141

Here’s some excerpts from Wikipedia on the “re-latinization” of Romania which happened from the 17th-19th century.
The re-latinization of Romanian was the reinforcement of the Romance features of the Romanian language during the 18th and 19th centuries. In this period, Romanian adopted a Latin-based alphabet to replace the Cyrillic script and borrowed many words from French as well as from Latin and Italian, in order to acquire the lexical tools necessary for modernization.
…Due to the high ratio of Slavic loanwords, some scholars believed Romanian was a Slavic language
Educated Romanians started to regard Latin and Italian as linguistic models already in the 17th century. Scholars of the Transylvanian School were the first to make concerted efforts to eliminate certain non-Romance features of the language in the late 18th century. They were Greek Catholic (or Uniate) intellectuals tutored in Vienna and Rome who were determined to manifest the Latin origin of Romanian.[48][49] They regarded the Romanians as “an island of Latinity in a Slav sea”.
They decided to replace Slavic loanwords with terms of Latin origin
They created portmanteau words, containing both Slavic and Latin roots, like răzbel from the Slavic loanword război and the Latin term bellum (both meaning war).
Wallachian and Moldavian writers who took a more conventional approach than the Transylvanian scholars were more successful. Re-latinisation reached its peak in Wallachia in the early 19th century, when Ion Heliade Rădulescu introduced large numbers of Italian neologisms. Subsequently, literary figures at Iași, in Moldavia, began borrowing from French, at the time the language of high European culture.
The Roman script was introduced gradually between 1830 and 1860. A pure Latin writing system was introduced by law in the united Danubian Principalities in 1860.

Posted by: MiniMo | Jun 2 2023 5:37 utc | 142

There are (unverified) reports that a IRIS-T was hit at Kiev…apparently the above video
One more video showing explosions and a SAM being launched that crashes into the ground nearby
“>https://t.me/CyberspecNews/32157

You can see 6 explosions on the ground, at the end of the video the PAC-3 or IRIS-T system launched a missile on a 35 degree angle on the ground level, rises for a small time and then turns back toward the ground and crashes. Maybe A/D or two hit again.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 2 2023 5:39 utc | 143

Posted by: DakotaRog | Jun 2 2023 5:13 utc | 170
I knew the 84 was being investigated as a number of weapons that might cause blast induced TBI’s, but accelerating a 10 lb round to 500 mph must involve a strong wallop factor. The weapon was designed in 1948, so the effects on the target were probably more on the minds of the designers than the users. Warfare has always affected the user, from the muscular and skeletal impact, pre-gunpowder, to TBI and hearing loss in the gunpowder age (most of the soldiers seen in SMO combat footage have lost up to 40% of their hearing). In the days of massed armies, fighting existential battles, little thought was paid to the collateral damage, now things are different.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:26 utc | 121
There’s a reason I call the pro-Ukraine cabal the Nuland clan. Like all the bad pennies that are in near-constant circulation from the Clinton-Obama axis she keeps on turning up. Just like the crooked FBI agents who participated in the Russiagate scam, now are involved in hiding Biden’s Ukraine connections, during an election year. There was a reason Trump had to lose in 2020, he’d already delayed the Ukraine project and threatened its laundromat function, leaving their stooge Zelensky awkwardly looking around, waiting for his cue, and inadvertently helping their target escape by releasing the transcript of the real conversation they’d had. Another delay was not only intolerable it risked everything, so one home-grown colour revolution and a soft-coup later and voila! Trouble is that four year delay holed the project below the waterline and now political and military wake-homers, courtesy of team Putin, are in the water.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 2 2023 6:01 utc | 144

The Romanian language was artificially Latinized in the 17th century. In doing this they also took out many of the Slavic words in their language but some still exist today.
Posted by: MiniMo | Jun 2 2023 5:15 utc | 146

That is correct. And in churches it was Old Slavonic that was used.
The history is the following. The collapse of the Roman Empire resulted in the well-known to everyone dark ages in Western Europe, when the “barbarians” moved in, and everything went to s**t (in reality, the barbarians wanted to preserve Roman civilization, but it was too rotten to be saved by that point).
Then what is usually mentioned only in passing is that the Eastern half of the Empire didn’t collapse and continued as the Byzantine Empire until 1453. Of course, in reality, they never used the term “Byzantine”, they thought of themselves as Roman, even though because the eastern half of the empire had always been Greek speaking, the Latin language was quickly abandoned and forgotten. However, it isn’t really correct to say that the *empire* lasted until 1453 — an entity with that name did, but after the late 11th century, and especially after the late 12th century, it is hard to call it an empire (that is when the Turks take over Anatolia and the Bulgarians reestablish their independent state, and as a result not much is left for the “empire” to control other than Constantinople, some lands in modern Greece, and some of the Anatolian coastline. The Fourth crusade then dealt an irrecoverable blow.
But what is even less often mentioned is that there were Dark Ages for the Eastern Empire too, and that was the 7th-8th century period. Justinian had overstretched the available resources with his wars, the plague killed off much of the population, there was a devastating war with the Persians, then Islam rose, and took over Egypt, North Africa and the Levant, which had been the economic heartland of the empire. It barely survived.
Around that time the Slavs begin a massive southwards migration. They had been doing it previously, but the Balkans were being depopulated and nature abhors vacuum. So the Slavs moved in in massive numbers.
The result is that today genetically there is very little difference between Romanians, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Serbs, and most of the population of modern Greece (things start to diverge a bit in the far western Balkans). It is all of primarily Slavic origin, but then followed very different trajectories historically.
The original Bulgarians (which were a collection of Turkic tribes) moved into the region around the Danube in the late 7th century, and were assimilated physically and linguistically (you see at most a couple percent East Asian admixture in modern genomes), but left their name and some cultural legacy. As a side note, a bit later the Hungarians moved into the Pannonian plane, and if you look at genetics, it is not at all the case that modern Hungarians are of pure Finno-Ugric stock either, but clearly, they left more of legacy in their case — the language is still Finno-Ugric, while Bulgarian is mostly Slavic.
Serbia develops as an independent and purely Slavic state in the late 8th century, but it is still small for much of that period (their peak would come later in the Middle Ages), while the Bulgarians build a major empire encompassing all of modern Romania and Moldova, all the way to current Budapest, most of modern Serbia, current Macedonia, and most of northern Greece. Those were all lands populated by various Slavic tribes that had established themselves there during the Byzantian Dark Ages period, which at the time didn’t really have a clear national identity (the very concept of a “nation” didn’t exist yet), but the point is they were Slavic. Whatever Dacian substrate there might have been in Romania wasn’t at all dominant by that point.
What happens after that is that Byzantium regains its strength, and the Slavic tribes in southern and central modern Greece become Hellenized over time (northern Greece becomes Greek only with the post-WWI ethnic cleansing). In the central Balkans a Bulgarian identity develops, north of the Danube it is not at all clear what the situation was because the sources are scarce — as I said, it was part of Bulgaria (in fact, the major part in terms of territory) in the 700-1000 A.D. period, then Bulgaria gets conquered by the Byzantines, then it reestablishes independence for another two century, for the first of which it again controls a lot of land north of the Danube (but by that time Hungarians control Transylvania, so it was only the lands south of the Carpathians). And again, there is no mention of “Romanians” in the sources from that period, so we have to assume it was a primarily Slavic population.
Then the Turks conquer the whole region, and modern Romania eventually emerges thanks to being a peripheral to the Ottomans territory that was allowed certain freedoms, some of which was also under Austrian control. And for a variety of reasons, the people who led the nascent nationalist movement decided to build a Latinized identity. BTW, Austro-Hungary played a major role here too, because it controlled Transylvania at that time. As I have explained many times, Slavs like to hate themselves and feel inferior to Westerners, and that was a particularly low time in history to be a Slav — the only independent Slavic country was Russia, but that was a Russia that had not become a global power yet, so there wasn’t much to look towards there. The Latinization project continued over the next centuries and by the mid-19th century you have modern Romania.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 6:23 utc | 145

Educated Romanians started to regard Latin and Italian as linguistic models already in the 17th century. Scholars of the Transylvanian School were the first to make concerted efforts to eliminate certain non-Romance features of the language in the late 18th century. They were Greek Catholic (or Uniate) intellectuals tutored in Vienna and Rome who were determined to manifest the Latin origin of Romanian.[48][49] They regarded the Romanians as “an island of Latinity in a Slav sea”.
Posted by: MiniMo | Jun 2 2023 5:37 utc | 143

Indeed. It should also be mentioned that this happens during the time when there wasn’t even a Greek model to follow — Greece would only become a thing in the early 19th century, and while obviously there was a patriarch in Constantinople and Greek was widely spoken in the Ottoman empire, the Ottoman empire was Turkic.
So the choices were to either adopt Islam and gradually undergo Turkicization (which many Christian populations indeed did) or to look West.
Ironically, had the Ottomans stably pushed further into Europe, Romania may not have been Latinized, because then it would have been a deeply buried behind the front lines internal province isolated from Europe, and the nationalist revival movement would have developed a century later, by which point it was again starting to be cool to be a Slav because of the rise of Russia as a global power.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 6:34 utc | 146

Posted by: Mercury | 110
A bioterror or bioerror will lead to one million casualties in a single event within a six month period starting no later than Dec 31 02020 .
..which turned out pretty close! his books suggest all that stands between the human species and a lab supervirus is a sense of responsibility among biologists. I see another bet coming.

A physicist makes a mistake – Deadly nuclear disaster
A biologist makes a mistake – Mutant killer virus
A geologist makes a mistake – Rock on table is now rock on floor

Posted by: Rattus | Jun 2 2023 6:39 utc | 147

Mercouris sometimes makes some shrewd observations. In his latest he says that Putin now refers to the area in question as “The territories known as the Ukraine” as if this were a temprary designation, and that Medvedev now says that the Kiev regime must be overthrown. Perhaps Russian plans are solidifying and coming into clearer focus.

Posted by: Tim | Jun 2 2023 7:01 utc | 149

and that Medvedev now says that the Kiev regime must be overthrown. Perhaps Russian plans are solidifying and coming into clearer focus.
Posted by: Tim | Jun 2 2023 7:01 utc | 150

Medvedev’s words yesterday were much harhser — he said that they have to be destroyed and a minute later that they have to be exterminated. And the first time he threw in the US and the UK too together with the Ukrainians.

Seen this in the Guardian. Blaming ‘Anti Putin partisans on shelling Belgorod!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/01/anti-putin-partisans-shell-russian-town
Posted by: whitebeach | Jun 2 2023 6:46 utc | 149

Zero shame.
“Partisans” have BM-21s with endless munition supplies and tanks and BMPs? Since when?

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 7:09 utc | 150

Posted by: whitebeach | Jun 2 2023 6:46 utc | 149
Anti-Putin partisans or not, most of them are dead now. Congratulations for their photo ops and shelling a few buildings.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 2 2023 7:21 utc | 151

Russian Ministry of Defense
On the morning of June 1 this year, as a result of the competent and selfless actions of the units of the “Western” grouping of troops, a new attempt by the Kiev regime to carry out a terrorist act against the civilian population of the city of Shebekino, Belgorod region, was thwarted.
At 03.57, after an hour of intense artillery shelling of the international automobile checkpoint “Shebekino” on the Russian-Ukrainian border and residential quarters of the settlement of Novaya Tavolzhanka, the enemy, consisting of three armored combat vehicles, four pickups and 30 militants, attempted an attack in the direction of Volchansk, the international automobile checkpoint “Shebekino”.
The artillery fire of the Western Military District inflicted a fire defeat on the enemy, as a result of which an armored combat vehicle and up to ten militants were destroyed. The enemy retreated in the direction of Pletenevka.
In addition, a terrorist group of 15 militants attempted to enter the territory of the Russian Federation along the left bank of the Seversky Donets River in the direction of Gatischevo, Novaya Tavolzhanka. Ukrainian terrorists were blown up in a minefield, and their remnants were destroyed by Russian artillery.
At the same time, another Ukrainian terrorist group consisting of 20 militants and two armored combat vehicles was advancing along the right bank of the Seversky Donets to Novaya Tavolzhanka. During a small-arms battle with the units covering the State Border of the Western Military District, it was dispersed.
The enemy lost eight fighters and an armored combat vehicle.
At 04.45, the units covering the state border of the Western Military District were reinforced by an armored group.
At 04.57, two strikes were carried out on the territory of Ukraine by the army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces on enemy reserves in the Ogurtsovo and Gatyshche districts.
From 06.05 to 06.45, Ukrainian terrorist groups, having increased their efforts, made another attempt to break into the territory of the Russian Federation from the districts of Pletnevka and Volchansk. In total, up to 70 militants, five tanks, four armored combat vehicles, seven pickup trucks and one Kamaz took part in the attack.
From 06.10 to 06.50, the enemy was hit by heavy flamethrower systems, rocket troops and artillery of the Western Military District, as a result of which the enemy retreated in the direction of Zhovtnevoye after suffering losses.
During the battle, Ukrainian terrorists lost 12 militants, two armored combat vehicles and a pickup truck.
From 07.00 to 09.50, the retreating terrorists and enemy reserves were hit by nine strikes by the army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the areas of the settlements of Ogurtsovo, Pletenevka, Staritsa and Volchansk.
In total, more than 50 Ukrainian terrorists, four armored combat vehicles, a BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launcher combat vehicle, and one pickup truck were destroyed on the border territory from Ukraine.
#Ministry of Defense
🔹 @mod_russia

Posted by: Shebekino | Jun 2 2023 7:46 utc | 152

Posted by: unimperator | 152
Anti-Putin partisans or not, most of them are dead now. Congratulations for their photo ops and shelling a few buildings.

Putin the ‘Sans’ in partisans

Posted by: Rattus | Jun 2 2023 7:47 utc | 153

Posted by: whitebeach | Jun 2 2023 6:46 utc | 149
Rather pathetic watching the long-planned for media offensive, suffer the same fate as the military component it was meant to support A series of carefully crafted narratives, based on the original ‘terror’ campaign of psy-ops events, supporting the ‘Spring Offensive’, have had to be broken up and spread over a far wider timeframe to cover for the lack of any significant offensive military operations. Without the cumulative impact, or supporting role, each individual story loses any real power, yet the media still act as though the events have had their original planned impact, rather like their coverage of the Godot offensive.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 2 2023 8:23 utc | 154

Putin the ‘Sans’ in partisans
Posted by: Rattus | Jun 2 2023 7:47 utc | 154
Very good 🙂

Posted by: Tim | Jun 2 2023 8:36 utc | 155

Posted by: whitebeach | Jun 2 2023 6:46 utc | 149
Rather pathetic watching the long-planned for media offensive, suffer the same fate as the military component it was meant to support
I feel genuine sympathy for the Ukrainians. If this was a boxing match the ref would have stopped it long ago. Watching helpless people being beaten to pulp is not fun.

Posted by: Tim | Jun 2 2023 8:37 utc | 156

Posted by: Exile | Jun 2 2023 5:19 utc | 141
You should get your own Comedy Channel on You Tube.
NATO is not going “to attack” anyone. It certainly would not use a Ukrainian proxy better armed and equipped than the entire European NATO component – watch it destroyed – and then leap in itself.
USA has no real army. You should look at what they do have in Europe……….not very intimidating……and they have ZERO chance of reinforcement across the Atlantic.
It would be good if people stopped playing cardboard soldiers – no-one in Europe is going to fight for Ukraine so it is up to American College kids to volunteer……….

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 2 2023 8:39 utc | 157

📋🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Report for the Morning of 2 June 2023; pub. 07:08📍
🔴 Yesterday in the #Belgorod Region, in the first half of the day, units of the Border Guard Service of the Russian Federal Security Service and the RF Armed Forces repulsed an attack by the enemy, who with up to two motorised infantry companies supported by tactical and artillery forces, acted in the direction of the checkpoint at #Shebekino. The Russian Ministry of Defence described the enemy’s actions as an “act of terrorism”. The enemy engaged traitors from the terrorist Russian Volunteer Corps in the information space. At least 14 civilians were wounded by the shelling.
▪️ In the #Zaporozhye, #Kharkov, #Nikolayev, #Kiev, #Cherkassy and Kirovograd regions, the RF Armed Forces launched missile and UAV strikes against targets during the night.
▪️ In the #Kharkov region, the RF Armed Forces have approached #Kupyansk, according to other estimates, little progress has been made.
▪️ In the #Maryinka sector, there are reports of Russian Army’s successes.
➖ In the information field through the federal media there is an active pumping up of the reputation of the Chechen Akhmat units, whose leaders entered into a media conflict with Prigozhin yesterday.
▪️ In the #Zaporozhye direction, the RF Armed Forces launched massive artillery strikes on exposed enemy targets along the entire frontline last night.
🔵 In the #Kursk Region, several Ukrainian UAVs were shot down by the air defence system. A drone dropped an explosive device on an electrical substation in the village of #Gogolevka, Suzhansk district.
▪️ In the #Bryansk region, the AFU shelled the village of #Lomakovka in the Starodubsk municipality. There were no casualties.
▪️ On the DPR, the enemy fired 575 rounds of ammunition. #Gorlovka, #Golmovsky, #Yasinovataya, #Donetsk, #Novotroitskoye, #Olginka and #Vladimirovka came under fire. Three civilians were killed and four civilians were wounded to varying degrees of severity, including children born in 2008 and 2013.

https://t.me/sitreports/9596

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:45 utc | 158

There is a battle, the enemy could not break through the border in the Shebekino region, – Operational Headquarters of the Belgorod Region
▪️A number of telegram channels are spreading false information about the breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at night in the Shebekinsky direction. The Operational Headquarters officially declares that this information is false and does not correspond to reality.
▪️The situation in the Shebekinsky urban district is currently difficult, shelling is underway, sounds of battle are heard. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are working, but there is no breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
▪️We ask the residents of the Belgorod region to remain calm, be vigilant and trust only official and trusted sources of information.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine and traitors from Russia were ambushed while trying to break into the Belgorod region. During the attack, the enemy used several combat armored vehicles, tanks and engineering equipment. The first combat vehicles were blown up by a landmine, while artillery opened fire on the rest. According to the latest data, the enemy suffered losses in manpower and equipment and was driven back.

https://t.me/sitreports/9592

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:47 utc | 159

There were rumors on the sidelines that Zelensky flew to Chisinau only because of the request of the British.
It is very important for them to prepare the Moldovan case, directing it along a similar scenario to the Ukrainian one.
This summit in Chisinau is the window dressing that Sandu needs to strengthen his personal image and intensify the fight against pro-Russian sentiment in the region.

https://t.me/skosoi/5646

Colleagues, we confirm your information that Zelensky did not want to go to Moldova for a personal reason.
Sandu entices the informational attention of the Western establishment to herself, and also wants to get “nishtyaks” from the West under the promise that she will open a “second front” in the fight against the Russian world.
For Zelensky, this is not very good. Since Sandu has not done anything yet and does not risk anything, but she already wants to get nishtyaki.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15508

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:49 utc | 160

Zelensky finally voiced what was previously reported in the telegram. Nobody in NATO is waiting for Ukraine. They will use them in their own interests, but they will not accept them into their ranks.
Zelensky today during a speech in Moldova
said that hopes of joining NATO “become more and more distant.”
Most likely, he was given the exact answer that in July in Vilnius Ukraine will not receive a ticket to NATO, but will again receive promises and public support.
This is Zelensky’s political defeat, but he shifts it to his partners, indirectly calling them “scammers.” Although no one promised him membership in NATO.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15509

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:50 utc | 161

The office of the President will not remove the mayor of Kyiv, Klitschko – he cannot, the West will not allow it. But they will be discredited. Resetting his image and rating so that he becomes uninteresting for the Western lobby as an alternative to Zelensky.
The fact that the case of bomb shelters has not yet been resolved is not only Klitschko or one taken guard, but the system is to blame. The fish rots from the head, there is a saying. If Bankovaya was not engaged in PR, but in real business, then bomb shelters would be made in every house.
Look at Bankova’s favorite tactic – ignoring and hushing up.
Now Bankova has sent all the information tools to blame Klitschko for this problem, disclaiming responsibility. Special emphasis is shifted.
Ratings are important to them, not human lives …

https://t.me/legitimniy/15513

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:52 utc | 162

If you think rationally, you immediately understand that all three points that the Office of the President uses in its propaganda are an illusion of deception.
1. NATO will not take. The West will never fight for Ukraine and the interests of Ukrainians. In this war, everyone has their own goals and objectives. Everyone uses everyone.
2. We will not be accepted into the EU, since the EU itself is in a “pit”, and they do not need another anchor with a completely destroyed infrastructure, debts, poverty.
3. Nobody will completely rebuild Ukraine. The policy of transnational corporations is based on the fact that they gain control over all the most “delicious”, the income is withdrawn to offshore, from this the local elite proteges get nishtyaks, who, at the end of the mission, leave to live from a conditional colony to the capital of the “empire”.
The result is a sad conclusion: the Ukrainian people will get nothing in any case. As usual, you have to choose between two evils. Note that each time the situation is getting worse, and the cries of patriotism are getting louder.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15515

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:54 utc | 163

Posted by: Exile | Jun 1 2023 15:43 utc | 2
Exile asked barflies:
“…1) How long will The Ukrainian Civil War last ?
2) How long will the global war between Eurasia and NATO last” ?
1] until one side prevails and exhausts the opposition side.
2] as above[sadly]
Human, oh so human.

Posted by: Paul GV | Jun 2 2023 8:54 utc | 164

Tim @ 157
I share your sympathetic view above,
They paid the price of Ukraines curupt leaders being tempted by evil US English money. A lesson the whole world should heed.
Some may have been western mercenaries. Good riddance to them dispite our sympathy.
They learned a sence of there own mortality, they learned empathy. Sadly to late ! As individuals.
But I think that important lesson is sinking in, on the large scale. Most importantly regarding the US and english govenments.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2023 8:57 utc | 165

Colleagues at Bankova have long known that Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO in July, now it is necessary to shift the focus from Zelensky’s previous principled statements.
It is already clear to everyone that the EU and NATO do not want to take us, and the longer the war goes on, the more the Ukrainian economy is destroyed. The West does not even want to write off our debts, which now exceed 2 times (more precisely 4 times) the country’s budget, collected by 50% from loans and grants.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18079

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:57 utc | 166

Our source in the OP said that all attacks on Russian territory are coordinated with British intelligence, it is MI-6, through the GUR, that coordinates the work of the Russian volunteer corps and the Free Russia Legion, which include many Ukrainian intelligence officers.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18082

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:59 utc | 167

Our source in the OP said that Zelensky discussed with Sandu the UAF strike on Transnistria, which Ukraine pushed through MI6 last year, while Moldova was against it.
The General Staff prepared a plan for an operation to seize the PMR long ago, and now this is an opportunity for Bankova to provoke the Russian army into active operations in the south of Ukraine.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18085

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 9:00 utc | 168

💰 Videos of Patriot missiles falling on the streets of Kyiv do a disservice to the American military-industrial complex.
The shares of the manufacturer of the complex – Raytheon Technologies Corporation fell from the April peaks already by 12%.
Pink ponies will certainly continue to believe in the Patriot’s analogous abilities, but military experts around the world are already very clear.

https://t.me/ZeRada1/14027

If HIMARS became a demonstration of the effectiveness of American weapons, then the hunt for Russian missiles on Patriot and accurate hits on them showed the weakness of American air defense, which the West was very proud of.
Stock prices as a demonstration of this process that Patriot has not lived up to expectations, despite the Ukrainian propaganda, which convinces everyone of the effectiveness and absence of damage.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18091

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 9:04 utc | 169

@shadowbanned wrote:

Poland, Czechia and Slovakia are Slavic, but Catholic, so they hate Russia because it is Orthodox while they see themselves as a higher form of human beings by virtue of being part of “Western Civilization”. And the hate is double in Poland because Russia destroyed Poland’s empire.

Absolutely wrong, esp. the Slovakia part. I know because I live there… yes, the Slovakia is largely Catholic, but at least half, if not majority, of the people newer viewed Russians as enemies.
Also, there is a deep disapproval of our government’s policy among people in Slovakia. We are blamed to be the most prone to “Russian disinformation campaign” in EU – by our own government! Speaking about Ukr. killing civilians in Donbas during last 8 years is considered Russian disinformation. Speaking about Ukraine as an US proxy is also considered disinformation and would earn you a reputation of illiterate pro-Russian troll, should you say this in our liberal capital.
Historically, there is a strong feeling of togetherness, because it was Red army who provided most of the help during Slovak national uprising.
As for Czechia, it’s almost more atheist than Catholics, and yes, they are inclining towards the west much more actively than Slovakia’s population.
The only accurate part of your statement is that about Poland. But looking back into history it’s no wonder.

Posted by: jo_svk | Jun 2 2023 9:13 utc | 170

https://t.me/dva_majors/16614

Governor of the Belgorod Region:
Several settlements of the Belgorod Region came under fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
There are dead. The Armed Forces of Ukraine fired at a section of the road in the village of Maslova Pristan, Shebekinsky district. Shell fragments hit passing cars. Two women were traveling in one of them, they died on the spot from their injuries. There are two victims in the second car. One man has shrapnel wounds to the chest, the second has shrapnel wounds to the lower extremities. In serious condition, they were taken to the city hospital No. 2, all the necessary medical care is being provided.

Cannon artillery fired 11 shells at the village of Tishanka, Volokonovsky district. There were no casualties. Windows were shattered in two private households, the central gas pipeline and the power line were damaged. Emergency and operational services on site.

As a result of the shelling of the Leonovka farm in the Valuysky district, there were no casualties, there was damage to the facade of the granary of an agricultural enterprise. The door-to-door tour of the territory continues.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:34 utc | 171

https://t.me/epoddubny/16207

A four-year-old girl was wounded, two women were killed – this is the result of a morning strike by Ukrainian militants on Makeevka in the DPR.
According to objective control data, at least 20 rockets from the MLRS and 14 shells of 155 mm caliber were fired at the Chervonogvardeisky district within half an hour.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:34 utc | 172

Good news, extra star on the wall at Langley.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 2 2023 9:37 utc | 173

https://t.me/dva_majors/16586

Belgorod region, border. Yesterday from a participant in the events:
…. they beat in the center, Shebekino, in all administrative buildings, anywhere. That’s why people were quickly taken out. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine also came from Tavolzhanka.
Mine-protection equipment, followed by five tanks. Here it turns out. They entered, then the second brigade pulled up,
But they were slowed down well. Then ours began to work with TOS, he worked on landings. Where there was an accumulation of enemy manpower.
The second wave, which was supposed to be yesterday at 14:00, it stopped, most likely due to the fact that there were heavy losses in manpower equipment.
So they did not expect that they would be slowed down at the border like that. And because of this, as I understand it, their “offensive” choked. So in general, the city is empty. I drove back. Now the connection will be lost again … “

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:40 utc | 174

I thought this might be a fun one to dissect!
What’s being fed to the Irish masses as facts.
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/ukraine-russia-latest-6083215-Jun2023/

Posted by: jpc | Jun 2 2023 9:44 utc | 175

https://t.me/WarDonbass/114850

Mayor of Luhansk Zhevlakov: 10-year-old Daniil, who on May 28, 2023 received severe injuries as a result of the shelling of Almaznaya by armed forces of Ukraine, died in the republican hospital on the morning of June 2 without regaining consciousness.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:46 utc | 176

https://t.me/WarDonbass/114850

Mayor of Luhansk Zhevlakov: 10-year-old Daniil, who on May 28, 2023 received severe injuries as a result of the shelling of Almaznaya by armed forces of Ukraine, died in the republican hospital on the morning of June 2 without regaining consciousness.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:46 utc | 177

Father of Gonzalo Lira, American jailed in Ukraine, speaks out against “political imprisonment”
Lira Sr. told The Grayzone that he worried his son was being tortured, and could not sleep normally. “I can only say that this episode has marked my life because it is living a slow death of a son,” he said.
He doubts his son will ever be released: “At present they are preparing a kangaroo court. Zelensky and his thugs do not fight for democracy and freedom, they fight to keep themselves in power with the blessings of Biden.” […]
According to Gonzalo Lira, Sr., the U.S. Embassy in Kiev held a video conference with his captive son on around May 23. He initiated contact with the embassy to ask them to work towards his son’s release, but was told only that his son had been provided a defense attorney by Ukrainian authorities.
When Lira Jr. protested the attorney appointed to him, he was offered a list of other lawyers to choose from, according to the embassy. Presumably, they were all public defenders.
Meanwhile, the State Department has refused to publicly discuss the US citizen’s arrest by a government whose employees are subsidized by US taxpayers. State Department spokesman Matthew Miller refused to answer a question by reporter Liam Cosgove on whether the U.S. was working for Lira’s release. […]
“For the U.S. government, it would only take a phone call to Zelensky to free Gonzalo,” insisted Lira Sr. “The world knows that Zelensky is a US puppet, but he does not respect the right of an American citizen to exercise his freedom of speech.” […]
“>https://thegrayzone.com/2023/06/01/father-gonzalo-lira-american-jailed-in-ukraine-imprisonment/

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 2 2023 9:47 utc | 178

https://t.me/WarDonbass/114827

An unidentified object fell in the forest of the Kaluga region .
After the fall, an explosion occurred, the head of the region Vladislav Shapsha said in his Telegram channel.
He clarified that no one was hurt. Economic facilities and residential buildings were not damaged.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:48 utc | 179

Posted by: Milites | Jun 1 2023 20:33 utc | 83
Agreed that the MoD’s “conflict scale” OODA has functioned well all along. They’ve been caught out at the tactical level and lost quite a bit of territory because of it but everything seems much tighter at that granularity now (a bowl, rather than a colander). What does get through produces headlines but not much else and is typically adapted to quickly.
Improvements in ISR will help counter-battery efforts but I think we are rapidly approaching an object lesson in just how easy rocket launchers are to hide, and that’s without getting into how easy it’d be to disguise them as non-military vehicles or simply use disposable launch frames.
Don’t get the wrong impression about precision from the US experience of it and don’t overrate the oft quoted psychological effects of a barrage, there is rarely any more desirable outcome than direct hit.
Unguided shells and rockets have an absolute advantage in simplicity, shelf life, low cost and ease of use but that must include all the other costs of operation.
Unguided gun shells are superior in accuracy and half the cost of comparable Grad rockets but for those rockets, with their low-g launch, modern electronics for a simple laser-seeker or even a gps-ins flight controller is in the hundreds of dollars total – carefully spec’d hobbyist components would suffice.
https://militaryleak.com/2018/06/04/rafael-epik-rocket-electro-optic-precision-guidance-kit-system/
“Precision-guided rockets can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars while a simple rocket outfitted with Rafael’s kit only costs about $2,000.”
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/rafael-accurate-rockets-with-epik
“The EPIK … wings at the front have a beneficial effect also on range, which is increased by 50%, and allow also setting the optimal attack angle.”
Note that this kit can manoeuvre throughout the rocket flight so it could be launched from vertical tubes stacked in the back of a standard military transport truck and then angle over into the desired trajectory. Not the optimal range solution but an extremely cheap and operationally flexible approach.
Modern Grad rockets can have a range of 40km, with 50% range extension that’s 60km. We can both guess at the effect of being able to precisely drop grad rockets out to that range at $2000 apiece would be.

Posted by: anon | Jun 2 2023 9:48 utc | 180

https://t.me/WarDonbass/114824

More than 2.5 thousand residents of the Shebekinsky district, evacuated due to shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, are in temporary accommodation centers in the Belgorod region, Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said in his Telegram channel.
He added that the sending of residents of the Shebekinsky district to other regions continues.

Total disgrace…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:49 utc | 181

https://t.me/WarDonbass/114821

Two UAVs attacked the facilities of the fuel and energy complex in the Smolensk region, critical damage, fires and no casualties – local authorities.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:50 utc | 182

Total disgrace…
Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 9:49 utc | 182

That’s how you know a CIPSO plant. Killing a 10-year old boy was not a disgrace, but evacuating civilians is.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 2 2023 10:15 utc | 183

“Just yesterday, a pair of U.S. Air Force B-1B Lancer bombers flew low over Sarajevo and several other Bosnian cities as a demonstration of “a rock-solid commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity”
.. rock-solid…
Only the Americans can use B-1Bs for peacekeeping and make that announcement with a straight face

Posted by: RiNS | Jun 2 2023 10:16 utc | 184

In parallel, Russia began to actively hit targets sensitive to Kyiv – from large NATO ammunition depots to American air defense systems – which sharply reduced the potential that Ukraine was going to use for its “counterattack”. That is why the United States started talking about postponing Ukraine’s offensive to the summer. Although the head of the GUR – the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Independent Kirill Budanov promised “to enter the Crimea before the end of spring.” However, he did not name the year.
All that the Jew led Ukraine can do is attack some villages near the Russian border. All for PR. and, maybe thinking Russia will pull out forces from other frontal areas. Well, the US/NATO/Jew are mistaken. For the Russians, all who attack Russia are Nazis. And, that include the dead-man-walking Biden too,
I have a feeling that by summer Kharkov would fall to RF forces. Most probably Sumi and Chernihov too. When Russia evacuates children, women and old people from troubled areas, you are looking for advances from those areas. Right now, RF and allied forces are waiting for the Ukie/NATO ‘counteroffensive’ to knock them all out.
The thing is, US/NATO won’t have enough weapons, when RF decides to take over the 3 Blatics. They surely won’t have enough troops, anyway.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 2 2023 10:18 utc | 185

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 1 2023 22:26 utc | 102 “The invaders, who were ukrainian not Russian”
Funny, of course they are Russian. We have it from Putin himself that Ukraine doesn’t exist and is part of Russia.
So when Exile | Jun 1 2023 15:43 utc | 2 Asks: 1) How long will The Ukrainian Civil War last ? The correct question is “How long will the Russian Civil War last?”
These incursions look like Ukraine is trolling Russia like the Russians did back in 2014 in the areas of Donetsk and Luhansk.
In the end, in my opinion the incursions won’t last long but Russia will need to divert some forces to cover that long part of the border than until now had been quiet.

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 2 2023 10:22 utc | 186

Posted by: RiNS | Jun 2 2023 10:16 utc | 185
“Only the Americans can use B-1Bs for peacekeeping and make that announcement with a straight face”
Did you leave out the part about peacekeeping? “a rock-solid commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity”
reads to me more like “we’re ready to use lethal force” for which B-1B is fairly good representation.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jun 2 2023 10:27 utc | 187

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 1 2023 18:51 utc | 279
… What I now propose is to draft a series on the Past of the SMO, at least the first week, and then post it on MoA, obtain the benefit of the raucous intelligence that inhabits the bar and see if it is possible for us to thrash out a rough history. History is open to alternate interpretations and it should be possible to state alternate interpretations/explanations and the evidence to support each such alternate interpretation.
Posted by: Sushi | Jun 1 2023 18:51 utc | 279
From <“>https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/05/ukraine-open-thread-2023-131/comments/page/3/#comments>
I look forward to that immensely! As said in that comment to Professor Robinson, I don’t believe there has been any comprehensive account of the circumstances surrounding the launch of the SMO. Nor of the very early days. Bluntly, I believe the academics have failed us here as they have on so many other aspects of this war. I entirely reject the notion that this was a war of conquest and believe it was forced on the Russians by us.
That can be shown even if one discounts the fears of biological warfare or of the prospect of Kiev getting nuclear weapons. A large army poised on the LoC and the increase in shelling, that with Minsk 2 having failed as well, was cause enough for Russian intervention in anyone’s book. As Ritter says in his cheerful way, FAFO. Fool around like that on the borders of a well armed and resolute Russia and you can expect fireworks. Putin would have been derelict in his duty had he not intervened.
But it’s the sanctions that were surely the reason for provoking that Russian intervention. I don’t believe the Western publics would have got behind those crippling sanctions – for us in Europe, it turns out! – had they not been horrified by the picture given to them by the Western media. That was, that instead of the Russians moving to pre-empt, they were engaging in a war of conquest.
Most of us in Europe still believe that false picture. That is why I believe a closer examination of the events of that February is so important.

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 2 2023 10:30 utc | 188

Posted by: ostro | Jun 2 2023 10:18 utc | 186
“For the Russians, all who attack Russia are Nazis.”
And that is precisely why so many people , including in the Global South,
are so wary and disbelieving of Russian propaganda. Simply being in armed conflict with Russia does NOT make anybody a nazi.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jun 2 2023 10:31 utc | 189

Funny, of course they are Russian. We have it from Putin himself that Ukraine doesn’t exist and is part of Russia.
Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 2 2023 10:22 utc | 187

Not funny at all. There are lots of other peoples in Russia besides Russians. You can be from Russia but not Russian, why is it seems funny to you?

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 2 2023 10:31 utc | 190

Posted by: Down South | Jun 2 2023 8:59 utc | 168
Even during the height of the Cold War these ‘nationalist’ groups were treated with a mixture of caution and contempt and often seen as not a priority, a fact brilliantly illustrated in the novel ‘Smiley’s People’. I get the district feeling that the Second Eleven has been asked to bat in the Ukrainian test, the progress of the operation reminds me of the ‘wargaming’ mentality of the also-rans in the MOD, that I used to rub shoulders with. Perhaps, by recruiting the ‘B team’ the establishment, ever mindful of the consequences of backing the loser, deliberately sabotaged the plan from the onset, again a plot satirised in another le-Carre novel, ‘The Looking Glass War’.
As regards share prices in the MIC affiliates, it’s not just those at risk of reputation as damage, so are the media arms that have been essential in the transformational project that the West is suffering from. They have been the critical catalysts that enabled the bureaucratic take over and, as such, been richly rewarded. Peddling an obviously false narrative on Ukraine could seriously damage their utility on existing or future projects that are close to the new-Barons hearts.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 2 2023 8:39 utc | 158
As regards the impossibility of direct Western intervention in Ukraine I think your analysis is sound but perhaps the reason is more to do with a lack of capability, not intent. In short, NATO is not fit for its original purpose and barely able to sustain its re-purposed agenda of ‘peace-keeping’/regime change, due to the sacrifices it had to make to keep it in existence during the ‘peace-dividend’, the origins of the devils pact between progressives and the neo-cons.
Western nations purposefully ignored the lessons of the War they’d just fought successfully and chose to follow the doomed, ‘quest for accuracy’ taken by their defeated opponents. This and the demand for multi-purpose, multi-role platforms enriched the MIC, created an illusion of supremacy whilst enabling inventories to be stripped, numbers to be reduced and real capabilities degraded to what we see now in the SMO.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 2 2023 10:35 utc | 191

milchron:
What is known about the strike on the headquarters of the GUR of Ukraine in Kiev:
The blow to the decision-making centers in Kiev was inflicted on May 30, and the circumstances of the defeat of the targets caused heated debates.
How was this strike prepared?
Two days before the missile strike on the GUR building, Kiev was attacked by drones. In total, about 40 UAVs were recorded, some of which were probably used to open camouflaged air defense positions. It is known that the area of Rybalsky Island, where the GUR buildings are located, was covered from the territory of the Muromets Park by calculations of the IRIS-T and Patriot air defense systems.
According to some reports, after a massive drone raid on May 27 and 28, a significant part of the Kiev air defense ammunition was spent and by the morning of May 30, the calculations of the air defense complexes were waiting for the delivery of new ammunition and were not ready to fire.
What weapon was used to strike?
There are several main versions of what was actually applied to the GUR building.
Version one. Judging by the presence of two sets of stabilizers, a subsonic anti-ship missile X-35U with the ability to work on ground targets was captured on CCTV footage. It differs from Patriot anti-aircraft missiles both in size and in the layout of the stabilizers. In addition, Patriot SAM missiles do not fall to the ground in dive mode and could not “accidentally fall” on the GUR complex in Kiev, as some bloggers wrote earlier.
Version two. A P-800 Onyx rocket of the Bastion coastal complex with a launch range of 300-400 km arrived from the water in the area of the GUR building. Its speed and the ability to maneuver with large overloads made it possible to carry out such an attack.
What conclusions can be drawn?
The first and most important — there could be several missiles. Some of them were supposed to hit air defense facilities, the other — the building of the GUR on Rybalsky Island.
At the same time, the missile hit, identified as the X-35U or P-800, does not occur in a random place, but a few meters from the parking lot, under which, presumably, another important object could be located.
The use of two missiles at first glance looks logical, but requires a creative, non-standard approach to the planning of the operation.
The approximate scheme of the strike looks like this: the first rocket breaks through the ceilings of the administrative building or explodes at a depth of several meters without damaging the building, after which the exit to the surface and the transition between zero levels is blocked.
The second strikes the necessary object from the water side, causing flooding of underground utilities along with the officers on duty.
It is also worth noting the low efficiency of the NASAMS, IRIS-T SLM and Patriot PAC-3 MSE air defense systems at the time of a massive strike by X-35U and/or P-800 Onyx missiles. Why?
Both types of missiles can be equipped with electronic warfare stations. The onboard electronic warfare station of these missiles can interfere with the AN/MPQ-53, AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel and TRML-4D radars deployed near Kiev.

Posted by: IS38L | Jun 2 2023 10:36 utc | 192

The Washington Post has never heard of snipers or night vision scopes etc:

Washington Post: Before the start of the counteroffensive, Ukrainian troops must remove their own mines, otherwise the Russians will “hear” the attack
“Ukraine has placed thousands of mines along the front line. And in order to move forward, its troops now need to get through these lines without the Russians noticing, which they will definitely notice if they bring up heavy equipment or explosians thunder. This means that the sappers must go into the fields and quietly remove the mines. They do it by hand. At night,” the post says.

This is too good. Maybe we should never tell them or disturb their ignorance.
From: https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/3076

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 2 2023 10:41 utc | 193

Then there is this deeper background from theduran.com on the evolution of the entire neoconservative project with Nuland included as a mighty significant player over multiple presidencies:
https://theduran.com/understanding-victoria-nuland-biden-obama-the-clintons/
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:26 utc | 113

… very good post and very much appreciated …

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jun 2 2023 10:43 utc | 194

Then there is this deeper background from the duran on the evolution of the entire neoconservative project with Nuland included as a mighty significant player over multiple presidencies:
https://theduran.com/understanding-victoria-nuland-biden-obama-the-clintons/
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 23:26 utc | 113

… very good post and very much appreciated …

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jun 2 2023 10:46 utc | 195

Modern Grad rockets can have a range of 40km, with 50% range extension that’s 60km. We can both guess at the effect of being able to precisely drop grad rockets out to that range at $2000 apiece would be.
Posted by: anon | Jun 2 2023 9:48 utc | 181
That’s a genuine game changer military technology advanced

Posted by: jpc | Jun 2 2023 10:46 utc | 196

Now that there are growing indications that a Russian passport, the authenticity of which is still being checked, may have been found on the person who sneakily placed a sandbag in the path of the American president last night, over which the president fell, the European Commission, headed by Ursula von der Leiden, is discussing new drastic sanctions against the Russian regime. This cowardly and deceitful action must not go unanswered. To bring down elderly people with handicaps in the most underhanded way is not a trivial offense, von der Leiden said. The rule of law is called upon here.
Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Posted by: Shoplifter | Jun 2 2023 10:48 utc | 197

That’s how you know a CIPSO plant. Killing a 10-year old boy was not a disgrace, but evacuating civilians is.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 2 2023 10:15 utc | 184

Sure, and all the Russian patriotic and military bloggers who are screaming the exact same thing are CIPSO plants too.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 2 2023 10:51 utc | 198

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2023 136
[Let’s pray the rest of the trolls don’t start that, you can kiss this site good-bye.]
I’m confident even the occasional fact logic driven lurker
Simply disregard such nonsensical postings
Btw keep up the good work

Posted by: John2007 | Jun 2 2023 10:52 utc | 199

Exile | Jun 1 2023 15:43 utc | 2
What civil war is in Ukr? Ukr doesn’t even exist anymore.
The only wars happen in the Syrias or Afghanistans of the planet, like Russia has become these years, unfortunately. And will continue as long as the clowns in the government and general staff remain in power. If it’s not nato causing problems for them it’ll be Turkey or China or India. It’s an internal problem they have, not external. Medvedev as president gifted Stoltenberg with a part of sea containing $30bn worth of resources, that’s around $40bn these days. And some people think he’s fighting nato. Hilarious.

Posted by: rk | Jun 2 2023 10:53 utc | 200