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June 05, 2023

Ukraine Launches Its Counterattack

The long announced Ukrainian counter offensive has started. New Ukrainian units, never seen before, have come to the front. 

The attack was launched by Ukraine for political reasons under pressure from its 'western' sponsors. Militarily it is unlikely to become successful but it will eat away at whatever is left of Ukraine's military capabilities.

Attacks happened all around the front. In the north towards Belgograd, to the east and, with the most forces, towards the south. There was so far little to no success in any of the attacks.

The daily report by the Russian Ministry of Defense list as Ukrainian losses over the last 24 hours 910 soldiers, 16 tanks, 33 armored combat vehicles/infantry fighting vehicle and some 30 trucks.

So far only the most forward positions of Russian troops have been attacked. There are two to three well organized defense lines behind those. The Russians can fall back whenever needed and let the artillery and air force destroy their oncoming enemies.

As I wrote previously about any attacks in the direction of Tokmak and Melitopol:

From the point of strategic value the chosen target is the right one. However, it is also the one where the Russian military has prepared its strongest defense lines.


Source: @Inkvisiit, Scribblemaps - bigger

In military books this is know as 'echeloned defense' with three lines of well prepared positions ten kilometer apart from each other. Each line consists of tank obstacles, mine belts, prepared anti-tank positions to monitor and counter potential breach attempts and well prepared artillery support from behind the next defense line.


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To crack such a nut without air support and without significant artillery advantage is nearly impossible.

There may still come larger attacks in other directions. But how many could there be?

As a former Swedish officer notes:

June 4th UkrAF scaled up offensive operations on the Southern Front, but the losses are too high for long time success. Earlier operations were mainly reconnaissance in force with platoon and company sized combat groups. Yesterday the Ukrainian forces seemed to be battalion sized combat groups. According to Russian MoD 8 UkrAF battalions was involved in offensive operations SE of Mala Tokmachka (1), at the Vremivka salient (2) and East of Vuhledar towards Velikonovoselovka (3). The fighting was intense, but on most places Ukrainian forces was turned back, mainly by intense Russian artillery and air attacks. On some places UkrAF succeeded in capturing a couple of hundred meters.
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[If the Russian numbers are true], the prospects for a Ukrainian counteroffensive looks very dim. This is even if we don't take into account the ongoing intense Russian air and artillery offensive against UkrAF troop concentrations, ammunition and fuel depots.

With losses of over 1000 KIA and WIA that means that a Ukrainian brigade of 4000 man loose at least 25 percent of its manpower. That's on the brink of making a brigade unusable. Two days fighting with such losses would destroy a brigade's battle capability. 24 days with such losses would in effect destroy the entire fist of 12 brigades UkrAF has gathered for the counteroffensive. With losses of around 12 brigades, 25 000 KIA/WIA, 250 tanks and 1000 IFVs/APCs all the strategic reserves UkrAF has built during the last 6 months would be gone. In exchange the Ukrainian side could have advanced maybe 10 km on some places or more generally 2-3 km along maybe half the southern front.

Once again, IF the Russian claims are true, RuAF must feel relieved and UkrAF very worried by the results of the fighting on the Southern front June 4th.


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I strongly suspect that the Russian military will let the Ukrainian attacks run their course to then launch its own larger scale attacks against weakened Ukrainian defenses.

Posted by b on June 5, 2023 at 13:04 UTC | Permalink

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Crazy talk by Jens @NATO

Never had much credibility inside NATO under US Command … he should resign after a damning comparison …

  • doing a GWB Al Qaeda terror is in Iraq
  • or
  • a Netanyahu, after 9/11 equating freedom fight for Palestinians as terror
  • Moving ceremony with #Norway PM @jonasgahrstore & #Nato FMs to honour the victims of the 22 July attack. There is a line between Utøya and Ukraine, a brutal act of terrorism & an illegal war of aggression. We will not let them win, but protect our values & stand with Ukraine.

    Sign of desperation ⁉️

    Posted by: Oui | Jun 5 2023 13:10 utc | 1

    TPTB in the collective West should truly be on trial for Genocide. They do not deserve salvation of any kind. I do not have the kind of military knowledge or awareness other people have here and I have learned such a lot from them but, even from where I am sitting though, surely the UAF must by know have reached its critical point of fighting ability, i.e. it is now so diminished in every area, manpower, weapons etc that it must now be at a point where it will be unable to fight for only a matter of weeks.

    God, I hope Russia finish this by July 2023 and save 50,000 women of child bearing age to be forced to the front lines and young and old men alike.

    TPTB in the collective West are truly monstrous.

    Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jun 5 2023 13:12 utc | 2

    . . .hold on, globe. . .

    Exclusive: Top US general says Ukraine is ‘well prepared’ for counteroffensive in war that has ‘greater meaning’ for the world

    CNN — The top US general told CNN on Monday that while Ukraine is “very well prepared” for a counteroffensive against Russia, it is “too early to tell what outcomes are going to happen.”
    “They’re in a war that’s an existential threat for the very survival of Ukraine and has greater meaning for the rest of the world — for Europe, really for the United States, but also for the globe,” Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley said in an exclusive interview with Oren Liebermann from Normandy, France. .. .here

    Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 5 2023 13:19 utc | 3

    Slavyangrad has a claim of 2000 Ukr. troops killed in one night.

    Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 5 2023 13:25 utc | 4

    The Ukrainians have likely planned more large terror attacks such as the one on the Kerch bridge. Their goal with this offensive is not to defeat the Russian military so much as to make the Russian people feel that the war is unwinnable. It's likely that at least one or two of UA's psyop attacks will succeed.

    Posted by: catdog | Jun 5 2023 13:28 utc | 5

    On the Ukraine front : "The 'Polish' story which we got yesterday has been swiftly relegated to such an extent that I question why it was ever 'allowed' in the first place!".
    .
    The story on the Beeb referred to "the anti-PiS protests in Warsaw which saw half a million attendees.." and attempts to stop 'Russian influence' in Poland..
    .
    Ten percent of the population in the area of Lower Silesia where I lived is now 'Ukrainian'. The chickens are certainly coming home to roost.

    Posted by: Merkin Scot | Jun 5 2023 13:32 utc | 6

    I still think the 70k set aside for the offensive is a joke it's going to be a lot more than that.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJXnI2WaLIo

    Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 13:33 utc | 7

    Re: D-Day anniversary

    Some data points;

    The D-Day invasion force outnumbered the defenders by 10:1. The defenders were mostly 3rd Rate garrison forces with an average age of 39. Despite a 10:1 advantage in numbers and massive qualitative superiority - the attackers bogged down for 6 weeks and failed miserably to achieve any but the most minor of their objectives. Thousands of French civilians were needlessly killed by the attackers.

    Only the intense carpet bombing of St.Lo changed the dynamic and enabled a breakout. ‘Kill anything that moves’ eliminated St. Lo

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saint-Lô

    Posted by: Exile | Jun 5 2023 13:38 utc | 8

    The West's trick was to say nope we are not sending X,Y and Z when actually there were sending them all the time.

    Then finally when they said okay we are going to send X, Y and Z but it will take a year to 18 months to get them there. They were already in Ukraine.

    I'm convinced the scale of the offensive will panic a few Russian telegram channels.


    But the Russian eye in the sky can see everything so you would imagine they are ready. It's getting to the stage we are going to see how good the Russian army is and if Putin mobilised enough forces. If 2% of GDP spending on the military was enough.

    Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 13:42 utc | 9

    Thanks b. for this update.

    What are Ukrainian units never seen before?

    Posted by: whirlX | Jun 5 2023 13:43 utc | 10


    It occurs to me that when we describe the forces behind this misery and the government which supports it gets called out for being nazi every day but because much of that is 'proven' by showing images of hohols wearing nazi insignia, for too many of this the naziism of ukies rarely gets past a sort of standard 'de rigeur' condemnation - more's the pity.

    However iEarlGrey just back from his sojourn on the front lines spells out exactly what naziism is and what it does. A few here may remember William Shirer describing in "The rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich' what naziism means in practice when he tells the listener/reader about the 'Home for disabled children' right outside Berlin which the nazi govt of A Hitler attacked. blew up & then accused englanders of bombing.


    Well now iEarl has published an spells out in a post on his TG site how a bunch of disabled kids were abducted from Bakhmut by ukies, taken to Spain then sold to the sex industry. Many others were exploited for body parts whilst others were used to generate gouts of cash from assorted RU cash stashes. For me this is the epitome of naziism and why we should all resist it.

    Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 5 2023 13:45 utc | 11

    Martin Armstrong and others have July as a turning point in the war cycle.

    It's kind of like witchcraft, but his model has been very accurate. I can see the Ukrainian last-ditch effort burning itself out by July, then NATO panics and starts the real WWIII.

    Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 5 2023 13:46 utc | 12

    thanks b..

    thanks to others too for keeping me more informed..

    Posted by: james | Jun 5 2023 13:48 utc | 13

    Only the Hail Mary fairy tale of a seaborne and paratrooper landings to take a small piece next to Crimea or suicidally ON Crimea to go now … D-Day-1…

    What’s the moon doing , how is the weather and waves tonight?

    The horrific mutilation of the ukrop conscripts being posted Is stomach churning, as they beg to be killed rather than helped.

    Need to take a few days off from the madness that no one knows about because it isn’t reported in the U.K. ‘News’.
    People are beginning to realise that something is going on that they don’t understand…

    Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 5 2023 13:49 utc | 14

    @Petraeus

    I think that this counteroffensive is going to be very impressive.

    My sense is that they will achieve combined arms effects in other words, they will successfully carry out combined arms operations where you have engineers that are breaching the obstacles and diffusing the minefields and so forth; armour following right on through protected by infantry against anti-tank missiles; air defence keeping the Russians aircraft off them; electronic warfare jamming their radio networks; logistics right up behind them; artillery and mortars right out in front of them.

    And most important of all … is that as the lead elements inevitably culminate after 72-96 hours, physically that’s about as far as you can go, and they’ll have taken losses … you have follow-on units that will push right on through and capitalise on the progress and maintain the momentum and I think that can get the entire Russian defence in that area moving, then I think you have other opportunities that will open up on the flanks as well.

    Has become a textbook general …

    Petraeus knew a bit about timing because he was on a recent visit to Kiev. Nevertheless the background noise is loud and clear: "What If UA Fails ..."

    Posted by: Oui | Jun 5 2023 13:50 utc | 15

    Russia and NATO conducting naval exercises in Baltic Sea at same time.

    Russian military exercises involve 40 warships, while NATO’s largest Naval drill - Baltops 23 - involves 50 ships

    Steady as she goes matey

    Posted by: hankster | Jun 5 2023 13:51 utc | 16

    @DunGroanin
    "The horrific mutilation of the ukrop conscripts being posted Is stomach churning, as they beg to be killed rather than helped."
    Don't watch these videos, it's pointless.

    Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 5 2023 13:52 utc | 17

    Which counter-offensive?

    Necessary not to confuse a counter-offensive with a suicide mission.

    To the last Ukrainian. Zalujny and Budanov are waiting for comrades. In hell.

    Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 5 2023 13:53 utc | 18

    Ye Olde Greate Springe Counteroffensive not goinge welle.

    Excepte on Twittere.

    Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 5 2023 13:54 utc | 19

    @Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 13:33 utc | 8

    I still think the 70k set aside for the offensive is a joke it's going to be a lot more than that.

    70k is the core trained-by-NATO force that Ukraine have put together over the past many months, add in some mercenaries then some little-trained conscripts. Without that 70k, Ukraine doesn't really have an army - more a hardly-trained semi-controlled rabble, many of which would happily surrender and be safe (hence the "punishment" battalions of true believers in their rear). If the Russians can destroy much of that 70k we may see a lot more surrendering with the next big Russian offensive. From Military Summary:

    90% of Marinka gone, only a few blocks left to take! If the Russians can develop something from there, the south east of the Ukrainian front will be open to becoming a cauldron and Ugledar will fall.

    The Results Of The 1st Day. The Beginning Of The 2nd Wave

    Posted by: Roger | Jun 5 2023 13:58 utc | 20

    @ Oui | Jun 5 2023 13:50 utc | 16

    Reminds me of ECB Trichet’s famous line: When things get serious, you have to lie.

    I hate to say this, after the tragically apt succinct comment by Jo Dominich | Jun 5 2023 13:12 utc | 2. But, this “offensive” is so far turning out to be a “Nelson Muntz Offensive (tm)”: “stop punching yourself!”

    Posted by: natokraine | Jun 5 2023 13:59 utc | 21

    belgorod is getting hit by the same cia/isis tactics used against syria, same oplan, same trainers, same funding.....

    usa's world reaching terrorism.

    the terrorist roots are in the us capitol.

    Posted by: paddy | Jun 5 2023 13:59 utc | 22

    Those Ukrainian elite reserves saw no action for a long time. They were saved up cautiously, it is nice of the Biden-Blinken regime to start shredding these troops. These NATO troops must all die and be used as a red paste to help grow crops after the war.

    Posted by: Clubofinfo | Jun 5 2023 14:04 utc | 23

    Thanks for the posting b. This looks like the week that will tell the tale in Ukraine. With NATO exercises starting on the 11th, this offensive by Ukraine needs to keep going at least until then and I don't think that will happen.

    This week will be a blood bath but will the God Of Mammon cult flinch?

    Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 5 2023 14:04 utc | 24

    I'm convinced the scale of the offensive will panic a few Russian telegram channels.

    Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 13:42 utc | 10

    Which ones?

    Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 5 2023 14:11 utc | 25

    Martin Armstrong and others have July as a turning point in the war cycle.

    It's kind of like witchcraft, but his model has been very accurate. I can see the Ukrainian last-ditch effort burning itself out by July, then NATO panics and starts the real WWIII.

    Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 5 2023 13:46 utc | 13

    So very likely. The timing has been planned. The most prominent reason is the US 2024 election where Trump or RFK, or even DeSantis can spoil all despite of massive and unseen before frauds.

    Posted by: Catilina | Jun 5 2023 14:12 utc | 26

    Marika secures Ugledar. If the Chechens capture Marinka, Russia can then threaten Ukraine positions at Ugledar from the back.

    Why did the Wehrmacht's Kursk offensive fail? Because the Red Army attacked the upper pincer in the side with Operation Kutuzov and then threatened to encircle the forces there. The upper pincer had to fall back, which then forced the lower pincer to abandon the operation as well. Apply this to Marinka and Ugledar and see where Russia will counterattack.

    Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Jun 5 2023 14:13 utc | 27

    Let's keep a question on our heads: Does the offensive have a connection to the NATO air exercise?

    I'd be surprised to see the exercise going hot, without anything huge and unexpected to happen first. There might be an aspect of diplomatic blackmail in play here, or it is some form of higher military ballet. But mainly I believe that the exercise is merely a quite normal, to be expected response by NATO to the big war in the east. More than about training alone, it is also to take a posture - and perhaps that's why the logistical footprint is so large.

    Posted by: persiflo | Jun 5 2023 14:30 utc | 28

    Posted by: Roger | Jun 5 2023 13:58 utc | 21


    70K was the figure supposedly leaked in that document. I don't believe it.

    How many of 300k of the Poles just called up will take part. NATO forces are there in their 10's of thousands. Time to stop calling them mercenaries.

    I also don't believe the propaganda trotted out every week that all of these countries couldn't ramp up production to provide the ammunition needed for Ukraine. It was complete BS. I used to live beside 2 large MOD ammunition factories and ramping up was easy.Saw it with my own eyes with Iraq as they increased production ten fold within months.

    I think those 2 MOD ammunition factories are closed now as they got moved to Eastern Europe. They used to provide jobs for 1000's of people a guarenteed job when you left school.

    Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 5 2023 14:11 utc | 26

    Which ones?

    The telegram channels that always panic when Ukraine take some territory whilst losing thousands of men and equipment.

    Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 14:32 utc | 29

    Huh, I gave up on the New York Times ages ago, even for "hate browsing", or simply seeing the quantity and quality of BS they were pushing. I formerly would use their search engine to see if they were even noting scandalous news about the Biden administration, but that rarely bore fruit.

    OK, so imagine my surprise just now when I gave in to the urge to see how they were reporting on Ukraine impaling its forces on fortified Russian lines, and saw this article.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html

    Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History

    KYIV, Ukraine — Since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine last year, the Ukrainian government and NATO allies have posted, then quietly deleted, three seemingly innocuous photographs from their social media feeds: a soldier standing in a group, another resting in a trench and an emergency worker posing in front of a truck.

    In each photograph, Ukrainians in uniform wore patches featuring symbols that were made notorious by Nazi Germany and have since become part of the iconography of far-right hate groups.

    The photographs, and their deletions, highlight the Ukrainian military’s complicated relationship with Nazi imagery, a relationship forged under both Soviet and German occupation during World War II.

    That relationship has become especially delicate because President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has falsely declared Ukraine to be a Nazi state, a claim he has used to justify his illegal invasion.

    More at link (four paragraph rule).

    I firmly believe that when the United States gives up on supporting Ukraine it will only be after the New York Times signals the imminence of that, and lays out talking points to cover for it.

    "Mission accomplished!" looks like it will be a tough fit now, but they might be preparing their readers to get ready to start talking up the idea that Ukraine "won a stalemate" from Russia, and even dropping hints that a government like Ukraine's isn't one worth dying over. If the New York Times starts mentioning the racism and homophobia that was/is pretty common in Ukraine, I'll really think that there is some light at the end of the tunnel for the United States giving up on its series of bad bets regarding backing the Zelenskyy regime.

    Oh wait, they already did that, in the fifth paragraph at the link I posted.

    Today is a hell of a day for the New York Times to remind everyone with its front page that Ukraine has a Nazi problem. I'll cautiously celebrate by having a delicious cup of coffee.

    Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 5 2023 14:33 utc | 30

    Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 5 2023 14:33 utc | 31

    Ha i was going to post basically the same thing. it's an offramp. and they still won't admit the nazis are nazis. it's "bad optics", followed by "we were fooled" and "mistakes were made".

    Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 5 2023 14:37 utc | 31

    big serge runs an article about how russian fortifications are like the french maginot line including a picture of thevon schleiffen plan from ww i with a swaztika

    to claim the russiaans are repeating a huge mistake.

    what is missed is: the nazis beat france in may 1940 by going through the srdennes in south belgium and gaining the meuse crossings which were unsuccessfully defended......

    how much misuse of unguided history by the eu!

    Posted by: paddy | Jun 5 2023 14:41 utc | 32

    The telegram channels that always panic when Ukraine take some territory whilst losing thousands of men and equipment.

    Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 14:32 utc | 30

    OK, but which ones? I am asking names.

    I don't know any. Please, help. So far I read only some comments by concern trolls infesting Russian channels.

    Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 5 2023 14:43 utc | 33

    Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 5 2023 14:04 utc | 25

    This looks like the week that will tell the tale in Ukraine. With NATO exercises starting on the 11th, this offensive by Ukraine needs to keep going at least until then and I don't think that will happen.

    This week will be a blood bath but will the God Of Mammon cult flinch?

    Agreed. If there is to be a true counteroffensive, they will have to launch much more massive strikes real soon. 12 Brigades of 4,000 men each is not enough to counter the Russian defensive lines.


    My guess is that we'll get much better real time information from here at MoA and the comments here than we will anywhere else. Southfront might have some useful information too. Zerohedge might be a close second. MSM will be out with total propaganda. Trust no one.

    Posted by: Trimalchio | Jun 5 2023 14:43 utc | 34

    Tension behind the lines? TASS has this just now "Seven people were killed and ten injured in a shootout between a Ukrainian territorial defense brigade, part of the country’s armed forces, and Ukrainian national guard officers in a residential neighborhood of Kherson, which is under the control of Kiev, a regional emergency services source familiar with the situation told journalists on Monday."

    Posted by: Jeremn | Jun 5 2023 14:45 utc | 35

    I've obviously got absolutely zero proof on how I see it. It's just a feeling in ma bones.


    As I've trained myself not to cherry pick what the neoliberal war mongering globalists and their propaganda machine says. Even if sometimes they massage my confirmation bias. Everything they say is complete BS as far as I'm concerned and should be treated as such until proven otherwise.


    Good thing is we are on the verge of finding out.

    Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 14:47 utc | 36

    Babel-17 | Jun 5 2023 14:33 utc | 31

    usa white supremacists and christian nationalists love ukranazis!

    but elenski has woke going for him

    maybe the nytimes is going to throw the ukranazis under the bus....

    Posted by: pady | Jun 5 2023 14:48 utc | 37

    already any archived link to the NYT text?

    Babel-17 thx btw!

    just askin cause its an important issue, to find this problem again admitted by our beloved press.

    Posted by: AG | Jun 5 2023 14:49 utc | 38

    Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 5 2023 14:33 utc | 31

    I'm afraid that the true intention of that article is washing nazi symbols and assuming that those symbols have different meanings for different people, like telling the whole world that the swastika was a hindu symbol, or inserting within the article a hint of holodomor and Molorov-Ribbentrop. My reading of the article is, hey guys, nazi symbols are not that bad after all, Russia is bad.

    Posted by: Paco | Jun 5 2023 14:49 utc | 39

    Hopefully for russia the threat of a prygoxhin coup will nullify any attempts a treachery by russias fifth column atlanticists. Otherwise the offensive should wear itself out, going by the numbers available.

    Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jun 5 2023 14:51 utc | 40

    I am sick and tired of the lIves of the crass types like Milley and Petraeus. This war isn't an existential one for Ukraine the USA or Europe. It is for Russia though because the USA has been for years and is still desperate to get the hands on RF's abundance of natural resources and they will never stop.

    They really are psychotic. If this is the calibre of military leaders in the collective West well, they couldn't even win a pissing contest.

    Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jun 5 2023 14:51 utc | 41

    @Oui | Jun 5 2023 13:10 utc | 1

    Moving ceremony with #Norway PM @jonasgahrstore & #Nato FMs to honour the victims of the 22 July attack. There is a line between Utøya and Ukraine, a brutal act of terrorism & an illegal war of aggression. We will not let them win, but protect our values & stand with Ukraine.
    Sign of desperation ⁉️
    There is a line between Utøya and Ukraine allright, I think the reason why Stoltenberg is such a crazy warmonger has its root in what happened at Utøya and the Government building in 2011. No surprise Netanyahu is mentioned in that context.

    Yes. Sign of desperation.

    Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2023 14:51 utc | 42

    The key to the Russian victory at Kursk in 1943 was to wait for the Wehrmacht to strike first. Then, after the Germans exhausted themselves on the multiple Red Army defense lines, the Russians counterattacked and didn’t stop till they reached Berlin. Substitute Kiev for Berlin and we may have the current Russian strategy.

    Posted by: Paul ba | Jun 5 2023 14:56 utc | 43

    It's a replay of The Battle of Kursk with the Wehrmacht replaced by a clown show.

    Posted by: GreatLeapBackwards | Jun 5 2023 14:57 utc | 44

    Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2023 14:51 utc | 42

    The rest of the Norwegian (EU?) political class playing along in the hope that CIA / Mossad doesn’t send another one of their disposable hypno-assassins to murder their own kids?

    Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 5 2023 14:58 utc | 45

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/67234

    Chinese Defense Minister Li Shangfu warned US officials at the Shangri La Dialogue that began June 4th against exercising hegemony in China’s territorial waters.

    ...

    “When friends visit us, we welcome them with fine wine. When jackals or wolves come, we will face them with shotguns"

    Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 5 2023 14:59 utc | 46

    Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 5 2023 14:37 utc | 32

    Huh, funny enough, the Civil War was fought the way it was, with Jefferson Davis and Abraham Lincoln governing the South and the North respectively while less than a hundred miles apart, is because both the cities had amazingly strong and deep fortifications. At one point the North got bold and took its soldiers out of their fortified lines and sent them South. A short while later a Confederate General had fate smile on him and, yadda yadda yadda, the Union had to call up wounded soldiers, one legged, one armed, one eyed, to help fill the defenses.

    The defenses were so good they were enough to hold off the South from taking them. Abe Lincoln himself went to the fortifications, and the Rebels saw him and were able to land some rifle rounds around him. IIRC Abe just waved his hat at them, and then let his horrified aides hustle him away.

    Most of the most famous battles happened between Richmond and Washington because neither city could be taken.

    Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 5 2023 15:00 utc | 47

    @ Leo1 | Jun 5 2023 14:57 utc | 44

    ---

    I think the armistice line will settle much further to the West than many imagine.

    Posted by: too scents | Jun 5 2023 15:00 utc | 48

    To quote Clint Eastwood in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly:
    "I've never seen so many men wasted so badly."

    Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jun 5 2023 15:01 utc | 49

    Posted by: AG | Jun 5 2023 14:49 utc | 38

    That makes it difficult to easily separate, on the basis of icons alone, the Ukrainians enraged by the Russian invasion from those who support the country’s far-right groups.

    the Black Sun, now appears with some regularity on the uniforms of soldiers fighting on the front line, including soldiers who say the imagery symbolizes Ukrainian sovereignty and pride, not Nazism.

    Even Jewish groups and anti-hate organizations that have traditionally called out hateful symbols have stayed largely silent.

    The swastika was an important Hindu symbol before it was co-opted by the Nazis.

    “The image, while offensive, is that of a musical band,” Mr. Hyman said. The band now uses the photograph posted by the Ukrainian military to market the Totenkopf patch.

    Several hours later, the post was deleted. “After studying this case, we came to the conclusion that this logo can be interpreted ambiguously,” the ministry said in a statement.

    Ihor Kozlovskyi, a Ukrainian historian and religious scholar, said that the symbols had meanings that were unique to Ukraine and should be interpreted by how Ukrainians viewed them, not by how they had been used elsewhere.

    The Soviet Union signed a nonaggression pact with Germany in 1939,

    Ukraine had suffered greatly under a Soviet government that engineered a famine that killed millions. Many Ukrainians initially viewed the Nazis as liberators.

    “I think some of these far-right units mix a fair bit of their own mythmaking into the public discourse on them,”

    Its only kids playing, that's all according to the rag.

    Posted by: Paco | Jun 5 2023 15:02 utc | 50

    The German attacks at Kursk failed because the British and Americans landed in Italy. The forces needed to contain that situation were redeployed from the East to stabilize Italy.

    Let’s see what China does in reply to NATO opening up on Russia with a conventional all arms offensive.

    Posted by: Wokechoke | Jun 5 2023 15:03 utc | 51

    Apologies pretzelattack, I meant to reply to the post below yours, from paddy.

    But yeah, we can't expect consistency from the New York Times because they will never cop to having known of Ukraine's Nazi problem. Just like their culpability is promoting the Iraq invasion, their plan is to ignore history.

    So they'll demonstrate with pride their cognitive dissonance by having it both ways with Ukraine's Nazi Problem. It was just optics, but if we bail on supporting them, to hell with them, they were Nazi enablers. Though that was just optics. But Nazis. lol, and so on, in an endless loop.

    Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 5 2023 15:06 utc | 52

    Supposedly Lancet drone hitting a Leopard 2A4. Doubt a few kg explosive would do much, though, unless between turret and chassis is some sort of weak spot.

    https://twitter.com/tretter50001/status/1665733620001128448

    Posted by: unimperator | Jun 5 2023 15:07 utc | 53

    @ anon2020 | Jun 5 2023 14:58 utc | 46

    More or less, yes. Outside the Government building (there were 2 sites that day ~40 km apart ), there were several crisis actors with maximum public exposure, it was carefully choreographed. Stoltenberg was PM and had intimate relation to both sites. He got the message.

    Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2023 15:11 utc | 54

    @54 unimperator that most certainly is a weak spot. I consider it a most useful use of quick image recognition (or primitive AI) to guide in the lancet at the last moments. It's not hit by accident.

    Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jun 5 2023 15:20 utc | 55

    Aren't these probing missions? But if so, what if the probing missions say: don't do it?

    Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 5 2023 15:25 utc | 56

    Today is a hell of a day for the New York Times to remind everyone with its front page that Ukraine has a Nazi problem. I'll cautiously celebrate by having a delicious cup of coffee.

    Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 5 2023 14:33 utc | 31

    Something's afoot behind the scenes. Earlier today the BBC was leading with the Russian claims of 900+ dead. That's the first time I've even seen them give a hint of acknowledgement of the existence of the daily clobber list. For over a whole year they've just ignored it totally.

    Posted by: Jim2 | Jun 5 2023 15:26 utc | 57

    Unverified photo:

    "the first Leopard 2 tank was abandoned during the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Vuhledar"
    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/49311

    Tow it to Moscow I say.

    Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2023 15:29 utc | 58

    @ oui 16

    Betrayus failed miserably in Iraq to divide the Sunni and Shi'a by false flag attacks on market places and mosques. After a few months the Iraqis sussed it out and Betrayus was fired. Textbook cowardice under fire.

    Posted by: Giyane | Jun 5 2023 15:30 utc | 59

    Posted by: unimperator | Jun 5 2023 15:07 utc | 54

    It is a difficult hit. But a strike between the turret and body, even with a small charge can damage the turret ring. Affecting turret movement and gun stability. it wont destroy the tank/ But without gun stability and tracking the tank is almost useless.

    Posted by: Golddigger | Jun 5 2023 15:34 utc | 60

    Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 5 2023 14:43 utc | 34

    Not the people that run the telegram channels per se. They are smarter than that. Pick anJust read the comments section as the panic sets in If Ukraine take a few kilometres. Happens all the time. Happened over the last fortnight in Belogrod.


    If some people have convinced themselves only 70k will take part. Then in my view (and I could easily be wrong) the comment sections will be in panic mode. When the main offensive gets going.Let's see what happens. I believe the Ukrainians have a big enough force to take some territory. That's all it takes for the panic to set in.

    We probably won't have to wait that long to find out now the probing with some purpose has started.


    Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 15:41 utc | 61

    @Paco | Jun 5 2023 14:49 #39

    Agree with you Paco. It's a whitewash with all the other usual anti-commie bs: the holodomor myth and the non-aggression pact, which broke the Western blockade of the CCCP, maintained ever since 1917, and enabled it to get equipment and technology unavailable throughout the '20 & '30's. It also gave Stalin time to prepare for the attack he knew was going to come. Poland wasn't doomed by the pact but by the Anglo-French rejection of an alliance w/the Soviets, that alone could have kept the peace. On January 1, 1970, when the Cabinet papers for 1939 were published, the Guardian wrote, "The Cabinet papers for 1939, published this morning, show that the Second World War would not have started in that year if the Chamberlain Government had accepted or understood Russian advice that an alliance between Britain, France and the Soviet Union would prevent war because Hitler could not then risk a conflict against major powers on two fronts."

    Posted by: zeke2u | Jun 5 2023 15:41 utc | 62

    From the twitter account @unimperator linked: https://twitter.com/tretter50001
    Retweets Big Serge:
    >…”They pushed forward maneuver elements without adequate air defense or fire support. Completely bonkers.
    Will Schryver:
    >>…”I've watched as much drone video of this "assault" as I can find this morning, and for the life of me I cannot discern in any of it a coherent logic.”

    Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 5 2023 15:50 utc | 63

    Last years ukranian million man army summer offensive took place in the autumn with approx 30k participants against outnumbered defenders. Things are quite different this year.

    Posted by: Oh | Jun 5 2023 15:50 utc | 64

    @ Jo Dominich | Jun 5 2023 14:51 utc | 41 and @ 2

    just want to say i share your viewpoint expressed in both posts.. thanks for saying all that..

    @ unimperator | Jun 5 2023 15:07 utc | 54

    for some reason i can't access the link.. others can, so i guess it is okay..

    Posted by: james | Jun 5 2023 15:50 utc | 65

    Outside the Government building (there were 2 sites that day ~40 km apart ), there were several crisis actors with maximum public exposure, it was carefully choreographed. Stoltenberg was PM and had intimate relation to both sites. He got the message.

    Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2023 15:11 utc | 55

    Very interesting, thanks for sharing! I wasn't aware of the interpretation that Stoltenberg was coerced into this. (Needless to say, a sane person would conjure up health/family issues and step down.) Is there any place where a coherent story about that has been written? Language does not matter.

    Posted by: Konami | Jun 5 2023 15:50 utc | 66

    The Ukie assault is meeting the anticipated level of resistance and getting decimated. The big WW2 battles being cited were much different as the skies were also contested, but in this case are completely owned by Russia. The firepower of Russian helos alone renders the attack folly; add in the massed artillery reply, and one would need to be a mole to make any headway as above ground is a complete killing field. Further, where was the massed Ukie artillery barrage to try and suppress the defenders? There's no mention of any such preparation. I don't care how much training and experience one has; attacking in this manner sans proper softening and CAS is insane and is no different from the continual feeding of troops into meatgrinders. If the aim is to destroy your forces, then this is how it's done. It's also clear from the outset that Russia doesn't need to send any reserves as what it has in-place is sufficient, meaning Russia's ongoing attacks along the FEBA will continue with the Ukies lacking the reserves instead.

    On the coordination with the NATO FTX, it's already known that Romania doesn't want war with Russia, so there's no political support from the only possible host nation for NATO to intervene. Even if NATO attempts something, look at a map to see how far any NATO jet would need to fly to launch any standoff weapons and recall that Russian AD can reach well into Romania. Plus, Russia will certainly be warily watching and ready for any such NATO move.

    Are the UKies ready to fall back into prepared defensive positions once the assault fails and Russia counters, or will Russia be content to allow their helos and drones to finish off the retreating Ukie forces? I still feel strongly that Russia's offensive needs to come from the North to push the FEBA well away from the borderlands to satisfy the well known political aspects.
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    Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 5 2023 15:51 utc | 67

    Not sure this is the "big one" yet, but this is certainly the beginning of the offensive. Some are speculating that NATO wants a big push to coincide with D-Day, so they can spin it as push back against authoritarian Putler, and this was just probing. That would fit with the NATO MO so far of prioritizing propaganda and marketability over military effectiveness. For NATO, wasting thousands of lives and millions in materiel for some tik took videos and ephemeral social media boost seems to be viewed as a worthwhile tactic.

    Posted by: FVK | Jun 5 2023 15:52 utc | 68

    Alex Mercouis recently said that Russia has launched new satellites in anticipation of the UA counter-offensive, including a radar imaging probe. Does anyone have any written sources on Russia space assets? Recent launches?

    Posted by: GoFast | Jun 5 2023 15:54 utc | 69

    Have any Russian claims since 2022 been true ever? I do realize that news about Leopard "sunk in swamp" sound fascinating but Konashenkov isn't a very strong part of Russian armed forces.

    Posted by: Denis | Jun 5 2023 15:56 utc | 70

    @Konami | Jun 5 2023 15:50 utc | 68

    From your moniker I am guessing you can read Norwegian.
    https://www.jostemikk.com/category/22-juli-saken/

    Stoltenberg, in a 2018 interview, referred to the shooters at Utøya in plural form
    https://www.jostemikk.com/jens-stoltenberg-det-var-for-de-begynte-a-skyte-pa-utoya/

    Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2023 15:57 utc | 71

    It started weeks ago with the moves against the flanks of Bakhmut and the provocations near Kharkiv. These were ploys to draw forces away from the southern Donetsk front. Unfortunately for the Ukraine, the ploys of a chihuahua have little use when it confronts a bear.

    Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 5 2023 15:59 utc | 72

    https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1665277703090585600 :
    “Turns out the Russian Freedom Fighters that crossed the border to liberate Belgorod on the 22nd of May speak perfect Polish.”

    Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 5 2023 16:00 utc | 73

    ...U.S. efforts to exercise its hegemonic control over the third world after the Second World War were part of the same imperial expansionism. This took the form of providing military backing for the expansion abroad of U.S. multinational corporations, including the overthrow of any nationalist and socialist forces that set limits on the power of the multinationals. In addition to serving the needs of empire, military spending placed a floor under effective demand, often pump-priming the economy, while directly supporting big business through the guaranteed high profits provided by what U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower labeled the “military-industrial complex.” ...

    ...the sheer magnitude of U.S. wars and war preparation was not primarily a product of the Cold War, but derived from the fundamental imperatives of U.S. capitalism/imperialism of which the Cold War itself was a mere manifestation. A logical corollary of this view was that if the Soviet Union were to leave the world stage (a possibility inconceivable at the time), the United States would nonetheless continue its militarism, since it derived from its more fundamental imperialist impulse.

    This, in fact, is what actually happened beginning only months after the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991. In what is known as the Wolfowitz Doctrine (after the U.S. undersecretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz), Washington declared that, in the geopolitical vacuum left open by the USSR’s disappearance from the world stage, the United States would employ its military power to implement regime change in strategic countries not under its control, particularly in areas formerly within the Soviet sphere or in the oil-rich Middle East and North Africa, creating a new unipolar world order while preventing the emergence of another great power that could challenge U.S. global hegemony. As former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski put it, the United States, in its eastward expansion of NATO as far as Ukraine—regarded as the “geopolitical pivot” in confronting Russia—had as its object the consolidation of its position as “the first and the only truly global power” ...

    A new era of naked imperialism was thus unleashed beginning in 1991. According to the Congressional Research Service, the United States has launched a total of 251 military interventions in foreign countries since the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991, as compared to 469 over its entire history. In the words of former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, the United States is “the most warlike nation in the history of the world.” ...

    https://monthlyreview.org/2023/06/01/mr-075-02-2023-06_0/?mc_cid=541090b741&mc_eid=622ef570f4

    Posted by: Dosamuno | Jun 5 2023 16:01 utc | 74

    Have any Russian claims since 2022 been true ever?

    Posted by: Denis | Jun 5 2023 15:56 utc | 72

    Which particular “Russian claims” did you have in mind?

    Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 5 2023 16:01 utc | 75

    Denis | Jun 5 2023 15:56 utc | 72
    Ukraine:
    >Ghost of Kiev
    >Babuska downs fighter jet by flinging a jar of homemade pickles from her balcony.
    >Snake Island
    You: Waaaaargh. Russia lies🤡

    Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 5 2023 16:04 utc | 76


    ... many of which would happily surrender and be safe (hence the "punishment" battalions of true believers in their rear) ...

    Posted by: Roger | Jun 5 2023 13:58 utc | 21

    It seems that a couple of Ukrainian servicemen scrambled over to Russian lines to surrender whilst their compatriots attempted to shoot them as they did ...


    Footage of the capture of two Ukrainian servicemen. It is noteworthy that the machine gunner of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is trying to fill up the brothers in the back, but they manage to get to the trenches of the Russian military. Location: presumably Yuzhnodonets direction.

    https://t.me/CyberspecNews/32439

    Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jun 5 2023 16:04 utc | 77

    unimperator @ 54

    The smaller Lancet is only going to get their attention and perhaps keep them quiet a minute while something else is brought into play. OTOH the Lancet seems to be amazingly accurate. While there were still lots of M777 available as targets I watched one vid after another where impact hit the exact same spot on the gun. The breech I think. Anyway the accuracy was in centimeters. Not counting the carriage an M777 is not even that wide from above. Hit every time.

    Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 5 2023 16:06 utc | 78

    https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1665277703090585600 :
    “Turns out the Russian Freedom Fighters that crossed the border to liberate Belgorod on the 22nd of May speak perfect Polish.”

    Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 5 2023 16:00 utc | 75

    AFAIK the entire Russian Volunteer Corps, Freedom Fighters etc. thing are entirely produced by GUR / Budanov, receiving propaganda and execution help from British SAS, and manned by various Ukrainian actors, Poles, maybe few British and Russian defectors. It's pretty much same playbook as videos and propaganda produced by ISIS.

    They are precisely the ones representing the de-nazification target which need to be dead or ran far away, before that SMO cannot end.

    Posted by: unimperator | Jun 5 2023 16:09 utc | 79

    @Posted by: Oui | Jun 5 2023 13:50 utc | 16

    When the Ukraine fails, they will most likely be dumped by the west. I believe they will become the scapegoat that all of the failures of the West and NATO are pinned on. The Ukes will no longer be considered Western or European. The reasoning will be that if they were truly Western and European, they surely would have beaten the Asiatic mongol Moscovites. The failure was not NATO's or the West's failure, but the failure of Ukes alone because they just weren't European enough. Turns out they were also just Asiatic Russkiy orcs themselves all along. This is the way European chauvinist/supremacist logic works, so I can see the rhetoric shifting this way.

    Posted by: FVK | Jun 5 2023 16:09 utc | 80

    Homemade anti-air system destroying shahedmobiles, made entirely of pickles.

    Posted by: A200 | Jun 5 2023 16:10 utc | 81

    Glenn Greenwald has just now commented on the New York Times having noticed that Ukraine has a Nazi emblems problem. I think there's hope that maybe now the Western media will start reporting that these ultra nationalist units are targeting civilian housing, which is generally regarded as a terrorist act.

    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1665745011508498432

    Amazing article from the NYT about the rather uncomfortable fact that photos of Ukrainian soldiers and leading battalions so often include Nazi symbols and flags.

    For a decade, the Western press warned Ukraine's fighters were dominated by Nazi units:

    Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 5 2023 16:15 utc | 82

    Twitter threads say it’s not a Leopard. (Stuck in the mud)
    Possibly AMX 10 RC (French)

    Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 5 2023 16:15 utc | 83

    @GoFast | Jun 5 2023 15:54 utc | 71

    Alex Mercouis recently said that Russia has launched new satellites in anticipation of the UA counter-offensive, including a radar imaging probe. Does anyone have any written sources on Russia space assets? Recent launches?
    Alexander specifically mentioned Synthetic Aperture Radar in that context. I would be interested to learn more as well, I imagine the Russians are very well equipped in analyzing such data. In the meantime I found a recent Berkeley article
    Accelerating Ukraine Intelligence Analysis with Computer Vision on Synthetic Aperture Radar Imagery

    Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2023 16:17 utc | 84

    Posted by: Wokechoke | Jun 5 2023 15:03 utc | 52

    As the Germans prepared their third Eastern offensive, against the Soviet forces in the Kursk Salient, more and more of the actual German orders for the planned attack were decrypted at Bletchley. Once more, the British were able to alert Soviet Military Intelligence. One of the most important decrypts to be shown to Churchill was a Tunny decrypt of 25 April 1943. It contained a detailed German appreciation of the Soviet order of battle before the German offensive in the Kursk Salient.[32]

    Churchill made sure that this information was passed to Moscow, two months before the offensive was to open, together with detailed estimates, likewise based on the Germans’ own top secret signals, of the strength and composition of the German divisions deployed around the Salient or the Kursk and Orel pincer movements. This information alerted the Soviet High Command to exactly what the Germans knew of what was facing them, enabling the Soviet High Command to alter the balance of the facing forces to Soviet advantage. The Battle of Kursk was the last and fatal attempt by the German Army to continue its eastward advance.

    The Soviet Union also made its contribution to the task of decryption. In June 1943, Soviet Intelligence captured two elements of the Enigma system, a code used by the Luftwaffe for air-to-ground signalling, and a naval Enigma machine. Shortly afterwards, Churchill sent several British Naval Intelligence experts to Murmansk to discuss with their Soviet counterparts how best to use the German air and naval messages thus procured. Later that summer, the British presented the Soviets with another captured Enigma machine, and a book of instructions for its use.


    Lucy Network ------

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_spy_ring

    https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Lucy-Secret-Second-World/dp/069811079X

    Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 5 2023 16:21 utc | 85

    Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 5 2023 16:21 utc | 87
    .
    Uh... why are there always comparisons with WWII in Russia?
    There are totally different requirements, from reconnaissance to tactics and weapon range.
    Why so infatuated with the warfare of the 2nd...
    Hitler and & could possibly still orientate themselves on Napoleon's tactics....although he had no rockets, planes, drones, satellites, not even long-range cannons.
    .
    Ergo, such comparisons are Stalingrad Kursk arc etc. complete nonsense!

    Posted by: mo3.1 | Jun 5 2023 16:29 utc | 86

    To quote Clint Eastwood in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly:
    "I've never seen so many men wasted so badly."

    Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jun 5 2023 15:01 utc | 50

    This should be the epitaph at the conclusion of this war.
    You could use for all of them.
    But it's particularly applicable for this.

    Posted by: jpc | Jun 5 2023 16:30 utc | 87


    70K was the figure supposedly leaked in that document. I don't believe it.

    How many of 300k of the Poles just called up will take part. NATO forces are there in their 10's of thousands. Time to stop calling them mercenaries...The telegram channels that always panic when Ukraine takes some territory whilst losing thousands of men and equipment.

    Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 14:32 utc | 30
    -----------------------------------------------------------

    Gee Derek, you are just a bundle of optimism. It is only the 2 day and all the Ukies have done is probing operations looking for weak points in the Russian MOD lines, and they lost at least 1000 troops doing that.
    But you have already grown the UAF from 70 thousand well trained forces to 300 thousand. And apparently you want the Russian telegram channels to pick up on your pessimism. Chill Derek, the game has just started.

    The real concern is will the US/NATO inter into the war after the Ukrainian offensive fails, as it will. Then we can all panic.

    Posted by: Ed | Jun 5 2023 16:34 utc | 88

    reply to 82

    I think the EU will give Ukraine a few million for rebuilding and then walk away. Hillary and the EU vassals talked about a duty to care or some other crap and then wrecked Libya, leaving it for jihadists to run wild. Of course, Libya is part of Africa, not a nation of white Europeans, so they will care a little more. So, yes, basically they will abandon Ukraine. There will be headlines claiming that Ukr. will not default and reject its debts. After a few months, that will change.

    Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 5 2023 16:34 utc | 89

    The enemy's attempts during June 4 to break through the defenses of Russian troops in the South Donetsk direction were unsuccessful.

    As a result of a complex fire defeat, he suffered significant losses and by the morning of June 5 was thrown back to his original positions. The APU is suffering losses in manpower and equipment.

    Only the 31st Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which attacked near the settlement of Neskuchnoye, lost more than 250 servicemen, 16 tanks, 24 armored fighting vehicles, including three Bradley infantry fighting vehicles.

    Five Ukrainian servicemen were captured.

    The enemy has made new attempts to carry out attacks in the South Donetsk direction in the areas of the state farm "October" and the settlement of Novodonetskoye by bringing into battle up to three battalion tactical groups reinforced with tanks.

    The enemy's offensive is successfully restrained by the active actions of units, artillery fire and air strikes of the Vostok group of troops.

    🔹 @mod_russia

    Posted by: repost | Jun 5 2023 16:40 utc | 90

    Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 5 2023 15:41 utc | 63

    OK. Then we agree: in the comments sections, yes, by concern trolls who are rejoicing any action of the ukronazis or by people who do not trust the RF army. I am calling those later people defeatists like Strelkov. Some idiot comments are even asking nuclear strikes...

    Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 5 2023 16:44 utc | 91

    The Third World War trolls are back. “Read my lips “ there will be no WWIII. Just Russia crushing the remnants of the Ukrainian military and installing the new government in Kiev.

    Posted by: Milos | Jun 5 2023 16:46 utc | 92

    Derek Henry @ 30

    I live within earshot of the artillery rage at Ft Lewis. As recent as one year ago we heard frequent practice sessions with multiple hundreds of rounds per month.

    Now - almost Nothing. Make of it what you will.

    Posted by: Trumpeter | Jun 5 2023 16:47 utc | 93

    Posted by: unimperator | Jun 5 2023 15:07 utc | 54

    What ever the manufacturers might claim, and carefully edited combat accounts suggest, modern tanks do not take kindly to being hit. Worse for the Ukrainians, with a meagre recovery and repair capability, most of this material attrition will soon render U/S or combat ineffective. Russian AT rifles used to target the German armour’s vision slits using crude iron sights, imagine what a swarm of Lancets or ATGM’s will do; though I think mines will claim most as mobility kills, or their crews will bail as soon as their warning panels start to light up.

    The big question is what form will the timing of the Russian counter-offensive take, Fredericus, or Kutuzov? Or will they launch one at all, being content that their theatre wide attrition will noticeably become more effective, once Ukraine has weakened their strategic reserve.

    Final point, how long before Ukraine’s metric for success, the first 24-48 hours, begins to slip? Will we see reports stating this is just the preparatory stage, or will we hear that the first 72 hours-week are the critical period to judge the offensive’s success/failure.

    Posted by: Milites | Jun 5 2023 16:49 utc | 94

    "I've never seen so many men wasted so badly."
    @ Clueless Joe | Jun 5 2023 15:01 utc | 50
    @ jpc | Jun 5 2023 16:30 utc | 89

    Ennio Morricone's score for those civil-war scenes of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is a lament of painful, unforgettable beauty. That movie takes such a startling turn, when our loner scoundrels find themselves blowing up a bridge as a feat of antiwar activism, to halt all the carnage.

    Sergio Leone produced the crown gem of all spaghetti masterpieces, there. But the last time I saw it will be the very last time. Something changed in me, the flawed viewer, such that I can't stand that kind of glorious cinematic violence anymore. Directors invite me to nourish my inner sadist, to savor excruciating sufferings of others. Movies like that interfere with my digestion -- a personal priority which ascends in my dotage.

    Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 5 2023 16:51 utc | 95

    "What did the Ukranian Babushka tell the Russian drone operator after destroying his drone with a bottle of tomato sauce??"


    "Ketchupava Ukraine!"

    Posted by: Comandante | Jun 5 2023 16:51 utc | 96

    Does someone knows how many tanks have been delivered to Ukraine?

    Just to figure how many days will be necessary to destroy them all.

    And to compare with the some 3000 German tanks of Operation Citadel.

    Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 5 2023 16:52 utc | 97

    Re: FVK | 16:09 utc | 82

    Today did a write-up on the aggression vs. China by the old colonial West … young Churchill and India … the Amritsar massacre.

    Not truly in context, but this quote is illustrative …
    “The Aryan stock is bound to Triumph,” ~ Winston Churchill.

    From Caitlin Johnstone: The West’s Long Plan to Crush China published on Consortium News.

    Every warmongering U.S. President besieged the myth of being close to the colonial emperor, the bust affair of the Oval Office caught many news headlines. Most recent figures Boris Johnson - Mark Rutte - Volodymyr Zelenskyy. All quite similar, taking the lead in the war on Russia.

    After a video chat, George W. Bush wrote in his Instagram:

      "Zelenskyy is the Winston Churchill of our time”

    Listed a few of British war crimes as colonial master for over one hundred years.

    In 2012, a campaign advisor argued the Republican would improve American-British relations because of Romney's "Anglo-Saxon heritage" 

    Posted by: Oui | Jun 5 2023 16:58 utc | 98

    GoFast | Jun 5 2023 15:54 utc | 71

    On March 12, 2023, Russia's Proton-M rocket launched the Olymp-K-2 military satellite, also known as Luch-5X, from Site 200/39 at Baikonur Cosmodrome. The Olymp-K satellites are Russian geostationary satellites built for the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Russian intelligence agency FSB.
    On November 2, 2022, Russia launched a Soyuz rocket carrying a military satellite into space, also with 3 inspector satellites.

    On August 1, 2022, a Russian satellite, dubbed Kosmos 2558, was launched on a Russian Soyuz-2.1v rocket. It is apparently destined for life as a spy satellite, and its current orbital path could soon place it in proximity to what is reported to be the spy satellite designated USA-326.

    On October 21, 2022, Russia launched two more classified military satellites to orbit. Also, there are 4 other satellites aimed at Earth observation that could be of a dual-use.

    It is just a usual propaganda that RF has no fresh and useful assets in space.

    Posted by: whirlX | Jun 5 2023 17:10 utc | 99

    @Posted by: FVK | Jun 5 2023 16:09 utc | 82

    When the Ukraine fails, they will most likely be dumped by the west. I believe they will become the scapegoat that all of the failures of the West and NATO are pinned on. The Ukes will no longer be considered Western or European. The reasoning will be that if they were truly Western and European, they surely would have beaten the Asiatic mongol Moscovites. The failure was not NATO's or the West's failure, but the failure of Ukes alone because they just weren't European enough. Turns out they were also just Asiatic Russkiy orcs themselves all along. This is the way European chauvinist/supremacist logic works, so I can see the rhetoric shifting this way.

    Absolutely, Ukraine will join Belarus and Russia in the Asian camp. Europe will have lost a huge resource base (Ukrainian agriculture and minerals) that will now be part of Russia, turning Europe into the failed archipelago on the edge of EurAsia with the UK as an even more failed and disintegrating island off its shores. The millions of Ukrainian women now resident in Europe will find European husbands to escape the probability of abject poverty while expunging their "Asian" heritage. Europe will become a very sad place, reminiscing about its past glories. There is also a looming European internal political and debt crisis which could threaten EU dominance over the Balkans and Visegrad nations. The loss of Ukraine will be an existential threat to European elites, no matter how hard they try to spin it; the next stage is outright fascism to save the Western elites.

    Posted by: Roger | Jun 5 2023 17:21 utc | 100

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