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June 3, 2023
The Ukrainian Military Is In Bad Shape

Erik Kramer and Paul Schneider are two former U.S. special operations soldiers who have been in Ukraine since 2022 to train Ukrainian troops.

At War on the Rocks they paint a dark picture of the state of the Ukrainian military. Their intent is to get money for more training, thus the real picture may be less dark than they describe. But even if one takes that into account it is still a sad state for an army that has been at war for more than a year. Some excerpts:

Based on our nine months of training with all services of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, to include the Ground Forces (Army), Border Guard Service, National Guard, Naval Infantry (Marines), Special Operations Forces, and Territorial Defense Forces, we have observed a series of common trends: lack of mission command, effective training, and combined arms operations; ad hoc logistics and maintenance; and improper use of special operations forces. These trends have undermined Ukraine’s resistance and could hinder the success of the ongoing offensive.

What ongoing offensive?

Under mission command, the German Auftragstaktik, the leader disseminates his intent ("to attack through the northern woods to take town x") and authority to subunits that is passed down with the mission to empower subordinates at all levels. Each subunits can make its plans to coordinate and execute the mission as best as possible. The contrast is an order command where every detail of execution is ordered from the top down. Both have advantages but to have a mixed system, as Ukraine currently has, is the worst of all places.

In our experience, across many units and staffs, the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not promote personal initiative and foster mutual trust or mission command. As Michael Kofman and Rob Lee recently discussed on the Russia Contingency podcast, elements of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have an old Soviet mentality that holds most decision-making at more senior levels. Amongst military leaders at the brigade level and below, our impression is that junior officers fear making mistakes.

But to use mission command down to the lower levels of a Platoon one needs noncommissioned officers (sergeants) to run the show. Those the Ukrainian military had are by now probably dead:

Having trained every component of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, we have continually seen a lack of an experienced noncommissioned officer corps. It is common to see field grade officers running around during training counting personnel and coordinating for meals. In the United States, it takes years to develop just a junior noncommissioned officer.

The next big lack is combined arms training and use. Tanks protect the infantry, the infantry protects the tanks, the artillery covers the battlefield to allow tanks and infantry to maneuver, command takes care that all three coordinate their actions.

The armor/infantry relationship is supposed to be symbiotic, but it is not. The result is that infantry will conduct frontal assaults or operate in urban areas without the protection and firepower of tanks. Also, artillery fires are not synchronized with maneuver. Most units do not talk directly to supporting artillery, so there is a delay in call for fire missions. We have been told that units will use runners to send fire missions to artillery batteries because of issues with communications.

Most of the military’s operations are not phased and are sequential. Fires and maneuver, for example, are planned separately from infantry units — and infantry units plan separately from supporting artillery. This mentality also carries over to adjacent unit coordination, which is either nonexistent or rare and causes high rates of fratricide. Unit commanders have concerns about collaborators and thus are hesitant to pass on critical information that can be used against them to sister units.

These issues are compounded by unreliable communications between units and with senior leadership. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have a hodgepodge of radios that are vulnerable to jamming. Further, battalion missions are mainly independent company operations that do not focus on a main effort coupled with supporting efforts. The armed forces do not combine effects, so operations are piecemeal and disjointed. The separate missions are not supporting each other, nor are the missions of lower level units “nested” under a higher level mission. Sustainment is not synchronized with operations, either.

Due to the wild mix of weapons and for lack of trained mechanics logistics and the maintenance of equipment are a mess.

This lack of coordinated maintenance and logistics also translates into medical care. Medical evacuation and care are haphazard. Experienced Ukrainian combat medics have repeatedly stated that many of the evacuees would have survived it they had reached definitive care in a timely manner. The Ukrainian Armed Forces can solve this issue with a systematic logistics process.

Ukrainian special forces are mostly used as infantry even as they should be used for more demanding missions. There also are gimmick missions:

Ukraine special forces units comprised of international volunteers shop around their services to conventional unit commanders without a mission being tied to a strategic or operational goal. One example of a mission was a conventional brigade commander who had reported to his command that he had occupied a village taken from the Russians. When he realized that the information he had was mistaken and they had stopped short, he asked the international special operations forces unit to go into the occupied village and take a picture of a Ukrainian flag placed on top of a building in the center of the village.

A suicide mission to hide the commanders false reporting …

The authors claim that most of the above problems could be fixed by more 'western' training which they are more than willing to sell. However, what has become of the last armies 'western' forces have trained in Iraq and Afghanistan? Both fell apart. An army must reflect the local society and culture. It can not be formed top down by outside forces.

Since 2015 the Ukrainian army has been build up and trained by U.S. and British forces. What the WotR authors describe is the result of that.

Comments

Simplicius’ new one:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-6323-west-stymied-by-strong

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 4 2023 6:26 utc | 201

We have Mercs formerly of NATO armies saying “ we have observed a series of common trends: lack of mission command, effective training, and combined arms operations; ad hoc logistics and maintenance; and improper use of special operations forces. These trends have undermined Ukraine’s resistance and could hinder the success of the ongoing offensive.”
So tell me ,what were NATO armies and specialists doing in the Ukraine since 2014 and earlier when they were publicly ,legally and formally acknowledged to be training Ukraine’s army to supposed-best NATO standard? Were they all there burping beers, eating hotdogs , shooting up those empty cans and chasing ukrainian tail?
Also to veterans and clued-up types, why doesn’t moonofalabama work on Tor browser?
Zet?

Posted by: Boy | Jun 4 2023 6:33 utc | 202

Business Insider suddenly finds out RF is killing it in cost of war. 1/4 of budget of NATO ukies wateva and kicking butt. none of it is borrowed money either.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/russia-economy-spending-war-ukraine-defense-budget-gdp-europe-investing-2023-6

Posted by: hankster | Jun 4 2023 6:58 utc | 203

Bit of off-topic, but here’s an excellent documentary of the real origins of first World War. Think it started with Archduke Ferdinand? Think again, resembles a lot of what is going on today.
Who profits? How are provocations, lies and false flags manufactured? Bucha and other war crimes propaganda? Babies on bayonets in Belgium? Who are the people installed in government foreign affair and military positions and where did they come from?
Who is the equivalent Cecil Rhodes round table of today?
https://www.corbettreport.com/wwi/
After following what’s going on in western main stream, the globalists can manufacture any sort of false flag provocation at any point in time. It will happen if they ever think the US “can win”.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 4 2023 7:10 utc | 204

unimperator # 7:10 utc | 208
“Who is the equivalent Cecil Rhodes round table of today?”
WEF I guess but I will watch Corbett to see where he is at these days.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 4 2023 7:19 utc | 205

Re: prepping for defeat
If we truely believe Eurasia will prevail in this global conflict, those of us in NATO countries might be wise to quietly prepare ourselves. I‘ve been focused intensely on 1) reducing my fixed costs (heating, fuel, debt. Etc) and
2) building solid connections with my neighbors and
3) buying direct from my local farmers and building connections there

Posted by: Exile | Jun 4 2023 7:20 utc | 206

Hmm after reading most of those blokes’ spiel it seems the amerikan trainers fail to realise that a lot of what they are doing is going to make the hohols fighting ability worse not better.
They make a big deal about no Ukie trainers having completed a ‘Train the Trainer’ course which is invaluable for training humans from your particular environment however reading that gave me insight into an incident when I was a young fella a wannabe revolutionary as well as explaining why from Vietnam to Ukraine amerikan trained forces esp say Afghanistan performed so poorly often worse than the indigenously developed military of the state amerika had occupied. In the past I put that down to an unspirited take on the conflict due to a dislike on principle about being invaded then told what to do. That is a substantial part of it but far from all of it, I reckon.
The “our amerikan way or the highway” approach these guys have, tells me that they have never studied a ‘Train the bi-cultural Trainer’ course; in another life I helped create one – in the process learning a lot, before running our out-station staff through it. We had a capable education academic who had done deep dives into Australian indigenous education which frequently had really lousy outcomes (everyone passed natch) that caused a lot of division between what these trained teachers had and what the average metro state school principal expected of a chalkie.
She – our academic – had concluded that trying to train someone from an alien culture to behave exactly as someone in the trainer’s culture would wasn’t just pointless & frustrating, it was also highly likely to be destructive, resulting in a graduate who would be unsatisfactory in either culture. Therefore it was necessary to accept those parts of an alien culture which were imperative for that culture eg the centralised lines of communication in the ukie military.
Telling a trainee to pretend that doesn’t exist won’t make that structure go away it will just create confusion and angst. The same goes for the nco command structure in amerikan military, this is a form of classism – having an older far more experienced fighter having to answer to someone totally lacking in experience who is senior mostly because he had a background that could invest more in a child’s education than the NCO had. That type of NCO doesn’t exist in many armed forces and not just former Soviet ones, whatever, the amerikan trainers need to alter their junior officers training course to include that type of ‘mundane’ task normally undertaken by an NCO, simply because the trainee officer must know what to do in the Ukraine army not the amerikan one.
I betcha they don’t though, for that to happen senior staff in the amerikan military would need to acknowledge that their methods are not always the best and most effective methods. That goes right to the heart of amerikan exceptionalism & amerika’s military is the heart of exceptionalism, as it has been since the cavalry began its genocide of native americans.
I have no idea whether RF forces are reliant on centralised planning & control, maybe that is why Prigozin got the shits and why the musicians along with the Chechen teams seem to get better results or maybe that is all bullshit, just the usual tossage put out by amerikan propaganda & Prigozin’s ego.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 4 2023 7:21 utc | 207

Dig below the surface theatre and try seeing this as a cleverly coordinated operation to demilitarize the entirety of Europe while moving Rothschild’s critically important chess piece to the East of the ideological divide, closing off the Black Sea to EU and inevitably bringing Turkey properly into that orbit by default. Is the East playing n-D chess a level or two ahead of the West ? Have key Westerb players subverted into this plan ?

Posted by: Hank Wakai | Jun 4 2023 7:25 utc | 208

maybe that is all bullshit, …
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 4 2023 7:21 utc | 211
———-
Exactly, and that’s called maskirovka. There’s a war going on, so would you think the Russians would show their cards? It is just fooling around with US/NATO “superior” minds.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 4 2023 7:26 utc | 209

to read….and should make everyone think..
Especially Germany and Europe in general…
Your system and USA is dying…
Abstract :
According to some reports, Russia is forming two huge new army corps and two entirely new military districts, which is big news. This is part of Russia’s continued expansion under Shoigu’s orders to increase total ground forces by approximately 300,000 troops to a standard professional contract force of 600,000 to 700,000 ground forces military districts, which is big news. This is part of Russia’s continued expansion under Shoigu’s directives to increase the total ground forces by something like 300k troops to a standard professional contract force of 600-700k ground troops.
This follows other rumored tidbits like the following:
‼️ 🇷🇺‼️ Something big is brewing – Russia pulls 3,000 more tanks out of storage – But not all of they are going to Ukraine‼️
This past weekend, starting last Friday, Russia pulled three thousand more tanks out of various warehouses and began loading them onto trains .
Not all of these trains go to Ukraine, some go to the western border regions of Russia.
Specifically, areas near Murmansk/Kola, not far from the Norwegian-Finnish border, north/northwest of St. Petersburg, near Vyborg, which is not far from the Finnish border ⚠️⚠️⚠️Specifically, areas near Murmansk /Kola, not far from the Norway/Finland border, north/northwest of St. Petersburg, near Vyborg, which is not too far from the Finnish border ⚠️⚠️⚠️
You don’t mind the hysterical tone of the above, but the news would coincide with the planned creation of new military districts, including the Leningrad Zone, which is right on the Finnish border mentioned in the post above of the above, but the news would coincide with the planned creation of new military districts, one being the Leningrad zone, which is precisely on the Finnish border that the above post mentions.
The point is that, Russia is clearly preparing itself very calmly and methodically for much larger global conflicts on the horizon in the medium to long term future.
I hate to say this, but it’s becoming increasingly likely that the West will have no choice but to trigger a WWIII-like scenario. The West is losing a lot of ground all too quickly, both economically and in every other respect. Western economies are dying while Asia and China are on the rise. There are movements right now that are so dangerous to the West that they endanger its very existence. When Brazilian Lula made a passive mention of a Brics currency months ago, we all commented but didn’t think too much of it. Now he bluntly demands that all of South America should have its own currency; He is doing what led to Gaddafi being killed by NATO.
Yes Gaddafi was killed because he was the key figure that formed a coalition against the US and was its driving force….
According to US currency:
Cause strife / envy / chaos among your enemies…
As at the moment Georgia Moldova and possibly soon Türkiye !!!

Posted by: mo3.1 | Jun 4 2023 7:29 utc | 210

I’ve been trying four times to post this answer via Tor. The site isn’t letting me post there, or rather it’s doing its usual thing and refusing to accept my posts despite saying it’s been posted. That bullshit crap filter again, apparently. Or perhaps it is because I’m trying to post via Tor.
Posted by: Boy | Jun 4 2023 6:33 utc | 206
“Also to veterans and clued-up types, why doesn’t moonofalabama work on Tor browser?”
Since you asked, I checked it. I’m on it right now typing this.
HOWEVER… The “checking network connection security” Cloudflare prompt took over a minute to go away, repeating itself several times. I don’t know if that is because I’m downloading a bunch of files at the moment or not. This may be related to:
Understanding Cloudflare Tor support and Onion Routing
Might have something to do with how b has configured the site on Cloudflare.
Personally I’d suggest forget Tor. Use a VPN if you’re concerned about privacy.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jun 4 2023 7:33 utc | 211

Business Insider suddenly finds out RF is killing it in cost of war. 1/4 of budget of NATO ukies wateva and kicking butt. none of it is borrowed money either.
Posted by: hankster | Jun 4 2023 6:58 utc | 207

Here’s the thing though — they are not “kicking butt” in any meaningful sense of the term. In the last 12 months, i.e., after Western arms started flooding the battlefield, the only territorial gains have been Soledar and Bakhmut, while huge territory was lost around Kharkov and Kherson, including a regional center of the RF.
And already after the goodwill gestures in early April 2022, the whole border region became a warzone — shelling became a daily occurrence (something that when the war started people saw as unthinkable, and yet it became completely normalized with nobody lifting a finger to stop it). But now it is a full-fledged bombing campaign to destroy Shebekino. Which is not a random small village, as are most of the settlements along the border, which were already abandoned to their fate, but a town of 40,000. Which has been burning for the last several days and is now being evacuated.
Is there a military operation coming soon to take at least the region around Vovchansk so that Shebekino is out of Grad range (they will still be able to hit it with HIMARS, but that particular taboo — HIMARS shelling of pre-war Russian territory — has so far not been broken)? No, nobody is mentioning anything of the sort. The reaction was to simply evacuate the town instead.
There is absolutely nothing to brag about in spending only a couple percent of GDP on the war. As a result of only the bare minimum investment into the war, Shebekino, Donetsk, Gorlovka, etc. are being systematically destroyed, and that is not something to be proud of. Spend 5-10% of GDP and this would be over by now, but no.
This is what traitors that are willing to trade the lives of their citizens for some numbers of a spreadsheet do. Of course, they already did it on a much larger scale during the pandemic — 1.5 million Russians died because the oligarchs couldn’t be bothered to pay higher taxes to support a Chinese-style infection control effort — so we should not be surprised.
For what they did in 2020-21, and for refusing to fight the war properly, Putin and the people around him should be publicly executed in the middle of the Red Square. Problem is that, even though they fully deserve it, doing so would destabilize the situation even more, so we are stuck with them as the least bad option…
There is the alternative hypothesis, which address this question:

My gut feeling is that RF is in no rush to “finish” the job, for two main reasons:
(a) they need to methodically and thoroughly achieve all their strategic objectives; and
(b) they want to observe, study and gather data on the performance of the NATO-supplied weapons systems.
But I also get the impression that President Putin wants to make a few cold-sweat-inducing points militarily before the NATO summit in Vilnius on 11-12 July. Still five weeks to go…
Posted by: tawharanui | Jun 4 2023 5:41 utc | 201

And which is that the Russian leadership knows that this is going nuclear and is preparing for that, in which case there is no point in paying too much attention to the war in Ukraine – It’s a side show.
The problem is that there is no evidence that they are in fact preparing for nuclear war. That would also involve dramatically increasing spending – on strategic delivery systems, and, most importantly, ABM defense, bomb shelters, and preparing the infrastructure. Unless that is indeed happening secretly in background, with a huge black budget dedicated to it, which is possible, but again, if it is happening, it is really well hidden, then I have no idea what the plan is here.
With their refusal to deal with Ukraine when they had the opportunity they have ensured that they now face the choice of either launching a nuclear war (and the importance of first-mover advantage in nuclear strategy cannot be stressed sufficiently enough) or surrendering…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 7:38 utc | 212

Melalueca no. 200
The second one is hysterical. 🤣

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jun 4 2023 8:09 utc | 213

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts on the Evening of 3 Jun 2023; pub. 00:05⚡️
👍 The AFU are once again deliberately shelling civilians. This time the terrorists targeted #Gorlovka, where they fired about 30 rockets from MLRSs. There are casualties and emergency services are working on the site.
⚔️ The Situation on the Fronts over the past Day:
🔹#Svatovo – #Kremennaya Direction:
▪️ In the #Kupyansk sector, the Russian army is fighting in the area of #Sinkovka and #Dvurechnaya. Heavy fighting is also taking place in #Novoselovskoye.
➖ Near #Kremennaya, ours are advancing in the wooded area fighting west of the road to #Svatovo.
➖ In addition, the Russian army is advancing in #Belogorovka and #Spornoye.
🔹#Donetsk Direction:
➖ In the #Avdeyevka sector, there are no particular changes during the day.
➖ In #Maryinka, the storming of AFU positions on the western outskirts continues, but ours have successes in the northern part of the city.
💥 Air Defence Forces destroyed an Ukrainian Su-27 near #Koptevo in the DPR. Also, an Mi-8 of Ukrainian Air Force was shot down near #Razdolovka.
🇷🇺 Today 24 Fighters of the Russian army returned home. Members of the Southern Group of Forces were released from Ukrainian captivity. And some of them had been in it for at least a year. All the fighters are in a stable condition and will receive all necessary assistance.

https://t.me/sitreports/9678

Posted by: Down South | Jun 4 2023 8:11 utc | 214

In Odessa, the nearest beaches near the port were covered with fuel stains.
This is Otrada beach.
We recently arrived at the port. The Russians claimed to have sunk the Ukrainian BDK (landing combat ship). This is a stain, one of the confirmations that the ship went to the bottom, at that moment fuel leaked from it.
At the same time, the Office of the President did not confirm the fact that the ship was intact.
Usually in such cases, Bankova refutes with photos or videos within a short time. Silence this time.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15522

Posted by: Down South | Jun 4 2023 8:13 utc | 215

The conflict between Zelensky (Yermak) and Klitschko is growing. Yesterday Bankovaya threw her “consumables” into the attack.
They forced them to write down the Head of the District Council, appointed by them, an appeal to the mayor of Kyiv to resign together. This is populism.
It is the same thing that tomorrow Klitschko will write down an appeal and call on Zelensky to resign together, because there is his fault in the death of people in Kyiv.
Zelensky instructed to launch a broad campaign to “drain” Klitschko.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15523

Posted by: Down South | Jun 4 2023 8:15 utc | 216

The grain deal actually stopped.
Russia demands to unblock the ammonia pipeline Togliatti-Odessa. For Zelensky, this is a shame, as it puts him on a par with Poroshenko, who fought with the LDNR and immediately bought coal from them. Also destroys all the propaganda of the Office of the President. In fact, the resumption of the ammonia pipeline – this will be the first puzzle in the case of draining and freezing of the conflict.
But Yermak was already warming up the mood of the masses on this issue. Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Danilov indirectly said that Ukraine could give the go-ahead, but only if it would be beneficial for Ukraine. Blurred, but the essence is easy to capture.
Also, Ukraine threatens to turn on plan B, insure ships and export, transport not only grain. We believe this is a stupid bluff, since any potential ship will be a target, because it can bring weapons in holds or caches, etc. Also, the entire infrastructure of the port becomes legitimate targets, and at the moment the APU does not have enough air defense to cover everything.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15524

Posted by: Down South | Jun 4 2023 8:16 utc | 217

Back in the spring, we found out that the most unpopular bills were planned for the summer, which are directed against people and Ukrainian business.
Tariffs were raised by 60% very quickly, plus all benefits were canceled for Ukrainian business, which was already barely breathing, but at that moment distracting society, military information cases were thrown into the information field (mutual shelling, tragedies, “mini offensive” on the territory opponent, etc.).
The war is needed only to distract the masses from the growing poverty in Ukraine.
Let’s just say that tariffs will continue to rise, prices for food and other goods will go up, fuel will rise in price, and logistics will follow. The hryvnia exchange rate will have to be further lowered, returning first to the levels of 40-42, and then the fall can be strong. Now the exchange rate is kept and washed out by the NBU people themselves. They know that we have this “good” situational situation thanks to credit money, which we are eating away at the speed of sound.
All our sources specify that we are on the verge of when costs continue to rise, while income (number of loans) decreases.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15525

Posted by: Down South | Jun 4 2023 8:17 utc | 218

The case when the loss of Bakhmut is not recognized for the second week and has already broken the record with Soledar.
The situation in Bakhmut is conditionally stable.
This was stated by Deputy Defense Minister Anna Malyar. According to her, the units of PMC “Wagner” have not yet completely left the city.
“In Bakhmut, the situation is conditionally stable. We control the southwestern outskirts of the city. The Wagnerites have not completely left the city yet. They carry out instructor work with the arriving detachments of the regular army,” said Malyar.
The whole world has already recognized the loss of Bakhmut by Ukraine, but the Ministry of Defense continues to keep the mark!

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18114

Posted by: Down South | Jun 4 2023 8:22 utc | 219

The state machine found the culprit in a closed bomb shelter, who simply honestly admitted that one physically did not have time to open all the doors. Here it is justice, when people turn millions, they will agree and do not admit their guilt, and a little Ukrainian can be sued and sent to a pre-trial detention center.
“There was not enough time to open the doors to the room. Everything happened very quickly,” the guard of the polyclinic in the Desnyansky district of Kyiv, where people could not get into the shelter and died, was the only one who admitted his guilt.
At the same time, the head of the polyclinic, his deputy and an official of the RGA deny their guilt.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18116

Posted by: Down South | Jun 4 2023 8:23 utc | 220

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 7:38 utc | 216
Regarding Shebekino.
It’s possible that the Shebekino and Belgorod were in fact primary objectives to conquer and hold, using the MI6 proclaimed Russian Volunteer Corps (comprising of Ukrainians, Poles, British and some Russian traitors). This effort was supported by moving artillery and tank units from the south to the north. However, it seems they have failed to advance or conquer Shebekino or Belgorod, halted on the very border, and are now resorting to shelling them with Grad rockets and some artillery. Yes it led to some damage, but considering that this might have been the primary AFU effort in grand context it doesn’t seem like a very large victory. Disregarding the media hype. Wagner are also supposedly also now in Belgorod/Shebekino and are making short work of Grad launchers, although they may still be able to lob something.
Re. nuclear, there have been upgrades in rockets and warheads continuously in the last decade. The most recent one is an supposed upgrade to the mainstay Yars rockets to Yars-M, comprising newly designed rocket stages and some sort of new warheads.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 4 2023 8:24 utc | 221

It’s possible that the Shebekino and Belgorod were in fact primary objectives to conquer and hold
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 4 2023 8:24 utc | 225
“Conquer” with an “army” of 80 people??? That’s how many they were according to official Russian story. If that’s not a lie, it all comes back to the same issue as always: clowns in general staff can’t do anything

Posted by: rk | Jun 4 2023 8:32 utc | 222

The question must be ;
What have NATO been training them to do for the last 8 years then? !
Perhaps the ‘collective west’ ie America and UK should be being criticized for doing a lousy job. We now hear that those recently ‘trained’ by NATO in Europe have to be retrained on return to Ukraine because fighting the Taliban (and getting beaten) is not relevant to fighting the Russian federation.
I could continue for ever on this, better to see how this all ends up then draw our conclusions on NATO and the AFU then.

Posted by: Mark A | Jun 4 2023 8:44 utc | 223

fyi
Europe is going down, and all its treacherous leaders with it
S. the Thinker:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-6323-west-stymied-by-strong
“….The reason Zelensky and his brood are able to play this game much better now than ever before, is because at this point the treasonous leaders of each European country, which have utterly bankrupted their economies, ruined their people’s livelihoods, destroyed their countries’ futures all to do the bidding of their American masters in this fraudulent war, these false “leaders” are now between a rock and hard place. You see, they sold this war to their people as one of sacrifice for a major, monumental victory against Russia. The people ponied up and gave up their freedoms, livelihoods, and comforts in exchange for massive inflation and ruined economies all so that Ukraine can win.
But now, if Ukraine were to actually lose, these traitorous frauds would be exposed to the pitchfork-bearing crowds as having thrown away their futures for nothing. Shrewd Zelensky likely knows this and is now using it against them. These so-called ‘leaders’ are now more beholden to their people than ever because they sold them this monstrous lie, and said it would all be worth it in the end. When this lie is exposed, it will end their careers and so now they’re scrambling desperately to ensure in any way they can that Ukraine’s offensive succeeds so they can complete that ‘sale’ to their citizenry…”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 4 2023 9:07 utc | 224

Thanos 07:33 UTC Jun 4
Thanks and I just read the cloudflare help page you provided. Indeed, cloudflare just never allows its “security checking “ for moonoflabama to go through for me either.
Just asking out of principle as I noticed it wouldn’t work.
Nah, privacy is great , and sought by me , but not necessary. I will just use vpn if needed as you say. I write here what I am happy to say before a court of law. They would already know that I think my leaders are weak,stupid,bought-out lackeys of the American Deep State.

Posted by: Boy | Jun 4 2023 9:19 utc | 225

unimperator # 6:26 utc | 205
Thank you, that was a good read.
I liked the examination of the zelensky blackmail scenarios.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 4 2023 9:23 utc | 226

I agree with you that the NATO-aligned Afghan military was a joke. However, I disagree about Iraq because their military is stronger than a lot of people think. They formed the bulk of forces in the battle for Mosul in 2017 and drove Daesh out of the city in the one of the bloodiest battles of this century. A poorly assembled force like the NATO-aligned Afghans (or Ukrainians, for that matter) would’ve had no chance in a meat grinder like that. To me, that was the Iraqi military’s breakthrough moment and proof of their capability.

Posted by: let’s get bizzay | Jun 4 2023 9:31 utc | 227

I agree with you that the NATO-aligned Afghan military was a joke.
One similarity is that many soldiers exist only on payroll software……..
Afghanistan had Tajik officers invoicing US payroll for fictitious soldiers and Americans actually thought they might turn up to fight…………forgetting the age-old adage………”you cannot buy an Afghan, only rent….”
I am certain much of the strength the IoW claims Ukraine has tooled up for the ‘Endsieg’ are CGI creations with payroll numbers……..
Even Operation Zitadelle launched against the Soviet dug-in positions on the Kursk Salient was flagged up by British SIGINT to the Stavka in Moscow in 1943……….it is not as if Russia needs to do anything other than wait and keep blinding US spy planes…………

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 4 2023 9:57 utc | 228

When this lie is exposed, it will end their careers and so now they’re scrambling desperately to ensure in any way they can that Ukraine’s offensive succeeds so they can complete that ‘sale’ to their citizenry…”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 4 2023 9:07 utc | 228
I think that should read:
“When this lie is exposed, it SHOULD end their careers”
. I wish !!
. I’ll not be holding my breath.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Jun 4 2023 9:59 utc | 229

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 4 2023 9:07 utc | 228
Does it ever occur to you that if Epstein had cameras and tapes in USA, the NSA and GCHQ have so much dirt on politicians at all levels in Europe – and maybe even ran a few debauchery clubs in Kiev – or slipped a few boys, girls, children into convenient locations to please up-and-coming politicians ?
People in UK are getting titillation from ITV and its embarrassing gay presenter scandal – which should surprise no-one about Media or Politics – but apparently does………….
Scholz has a little problem with a Children’s home in Brandenburg where his wife was Education Minister – going back to when he was playing Kelsey Grammer as Mayor Tom Kane in Hamburg and farmed out problem children to a distant residential institution in another state…….where strange abuse and deaths took place…..
There is so much dirt that these puppets will dance on the string

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 4 2023 10:04 utc | 230

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 4 2023 3:54 utc | 192
That’s because I think too many posters are out of their comfort zone. I’ve only been here since the SMO but get the distinct impression that a majority of the regular posters primary interest and knowledge base lies primarily in the academic, socio-political sphere. It follows on therefore that, given the last two years have been dominated by a military operation, their understanding of events will be seen through that filter. The internet’s ability to compensate for that bias is impressive, but all that does is create a level of superficial knowledge that comes with all the attendant dangers of such brevet level analysis.
One of those dangers is not being able to accurately predict the trajectory of a conflict because your knowledge base conveniently reinforces your presuppositions. Throw in confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance and the weaponisation of information, attendant in all conflicts, and you have an environment that favours reinforcement over understanding. The Russian military, like all militaries, has strengths and weaknesses, the current tempo of the SMO is dictated by these factors, the past events of the SMO have revealed those factors. Russia’s next move will be based on numerous factors, one of which is the assessment of how far that dynamic has changed for both sides. If the Russia military had performed as well as some posters here think and the Western trained, in-name only, Ukrainian forces were as poor, as they claimed, then the frontlines would not be where they are now. The danger with seeing conflict as an extension of one’s own beliefs is that it requires the suspension of the very same critical faculties the ‘other side’ is routinely excoriated and mocked for lacking.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 4 2023 7:21 utc | 211
As a former ‘chalkie’ at the chalkface, spot on.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 4 2023 10:25 utc | 231

Posted by: HelenB | Jun 4 2023 2:50 utc | 180
«But the overall chart shows that a woman’s education is a clear factor. Higher education can lead to delayed marriage, more power and respect for women, and less tendency to get married at all.»
That’s a confounding factor (I would think that an even clearer factor for lower birth rates would be number of cars or televisions or MacBooks per family :->), and it is often used as propaganda to argue that only ignorant/dumb women would want to bear children, more enlightened/smart ones should want to be child-free.
It is indeed amazing to see the argument that “[less] power and respect for women” would lead to women wanting to have more children, when historically women with several successful children usually had more respect and power than childless ones, and never mind the argument about marriage, when historically marriage was quite rare and common only among the middle and upper classes, and yet lower class women were having lots of children (often from several different fathers) to ensure somebody would take care of them in their old age.
How do we know that education is a confounding factor is that as already mentioned in some nordic european countries most women (and men) are highly educated, yet their fertility rate has not fallen much, because the state subsidises having children so it is a cheap and easy hobby. While in many recently developed countries many women (and men) are poorly educated, yet they have few children because they rely on the work or state pension to take care of them in old age. Plus the fertility rate in many countries has kept dropping even if pretty much all women are educated.
The point is not that bearing and raising children is an ignorant/dumb thing that mostly uneducated women will do, but that it takes a lot of work and expense, and many women will only do that if is necessary to avoid being alone and poor in old age, or if it is subsidised by the state.
For Ukraine none of this matters: many millions of young ukrainian women citizens have moved to work in the richer states of the EU, and most likely they will have even fewer children than in Ukraine, thanks to good state pensions and welfare in those countries, and those few likely with non-ukrainian fathers (who are dying in the pursuit of regime change in Moscow), and anyhow will not be raised as ukrainians.

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 4 2023 10:34 utc | 232

Re: NATO powers chaos ?
Berlin freaking out in latest national polls – the ‚polite‘ parties getting crushed and the ‚evil populist‘ AfD coming in 2nd place.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 4 2023 10:35 utc | 233

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 4 2023 6:15 utc | 204
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Posted by: Blissex | Jun 4 2023 10:51 utc | 234

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 7:38 utc | 216
Hello shadowbanned. You really have lost it with this post. Within your concerned post you state “…I have no idea…”, and really that is the only thing in your post that is correct.
You call for “the public execution of Putin and the people around him in Red Square”. Really this is utter nonsense and I suspect your true sub-conscious is too openly displayed here. In many of your posts you manage to conceal what I suspect are your true motives within concerned posts that I had previously given you the benefit of the doubt, as being objectively analytical, raising awkward points, which if done in good faith is required.
But here you’ve gone too far and destroyed your credibility completely with such hysterical over reaction. You’re well acquainted with The Great Patriotic War. Think of the territory lost to the Nazis and the millions of Soviet citizens killed before Stalin’s forces became victorious. You would have had Stalin and Zhukov ‘executed on Red Square’ before Stalingrad was even under siege.
Compare the current Russian leadership with the clowns of Ukraine, the US, the UK, the EU, NATO what would be your prescription for those leaders based on their woeful performance? Please don’t you or ‘rk’ answer that and take a break from posting nonsense.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jun 4 2023 11:04 utc | 235

Legitimny has never been an enthusiastic supporter of the nazi regime but Rezident always seemed a lot more “nationalistic”. But looking at the above Rezident posts he seems to be souring as well.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 4 2023 11:31 utc | 236

Hello shadowbanned. You really have lost it with this post. Within your concerned post you state “…I have no idea…”, and really that is the only thing in your post that is correct.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jun 4 2023 11:04 utc | 239

Don’t waste time on this proven CIPSO plant, he is here only for possible links that hapless MSM could show around claiming that “pro-Russian westerners hate Putin”.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 4 2023 11:38 utc | 237

Judging by Legitimny and Rezident-UA posts, it seems that there is a new show by the name of Game of Kyiv going on. In true losing circumstances, the blame game heating up, additionally to securing positions, it’s more about survival while taking away as much loot as possible.
Inevitably there will be someone seeing the merit of co-operating with ”Putin”, but not until the nationalistic wing and western curators have either ran away or eliminated. Until then, no one dares to stand out. It can happen either as a result of infighting or through external influence.

Posted by: Dracones | Jun 4 2023 11:47 utc | 238

I don’t think Russia intended to take Kiev at the beginning of the SMO. I think they proved that they could and expected the April 2022 peace talks to be successful. Why after all this time I’m not sure but I guess they live in hope.

Posted by: Inki | Jun 4 2023 11:54 utc | 239

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 7:38 utc | 216
” There is absolutely nothing to brag about in spending only a couple percent of GDP on the war ”
Absolutely nails it !
Of course so would others if they understood where profits actually came from. Which is here …
A Guide to the Kalecki-Levy Profits Equation
https://www.crisesnotes.com/where-do-profits-come-from/
It’s stunning over the years bow many business owners and working class conservatives have continued to vote against their own interests under the belief that a government budget deficit is like a budget deficit in business.
As always it’s about skills and real resources and as a country what you want to do with them. Money and taxes just moves them around to where you want them to go.
Here’s an example :
If you want more skills and real resources for the NHS and free healthcare. You train the skills and the government claims the real resources needed.
Or
Tax private healthcare heavily to make them release both the skills and real resources that they stole to allow them to rent seek and allow rich people to jump the Q.
All the government is doing is moving skills and real resources from private healthcare which the rent seekers made doing business in the UK more expensive to the NHS which doesn’t.
The propaganda tells everyone everybody’s taxes goes up as the biggest con trick they pulled was convinced workers they are capital. When the reality is only the private healthcare companies taxes went up.
Same when releasing skills and real resources from the private sector to the army when moving to a war economy in a full employment economy. The government will decide what parts of the private sector to tax to free up skills and real resources for the army.
The key is to not to “over tax ” and more people turn up for the army than you need. Then you’ve created unemployment.
All explained by Keynes in his book “how to pay for the war.” Of course complete idiots will concentrate on money as if money is scarce and have been taken in by the tax payer money myth.
The British when they invaded countries during neo colonial times were masters at it.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 4 2023 11:58 utc | 240

Noted at a elegant German dinner party the other night, one of the women mentioned:
if that Putin really wanted to get rid of NAZIs, he‘d be droning Chemitz and those other hotbeds of right wingers
LOL

Posted by: Exile | Jun 4 2023 12:13 utc | 241

Exile@210….good advise for all….been at it for the last five years . …potatoes are up, seeds are sprouting……
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 4 2023 12:21 utc | 242

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/49158

Drunken men table chats
About everything and nothing
Ukraine is still standing, to the relief of some and the frustration of others. Some are calm though. We, the inpatient ones, are asking why is it still there and why it is not in ruins. Someone would say that the reasons are simple, Western help, zero care for the life of the soldiers…main reasons. And they would be partially right.
There is something more to it. You saw all those graveyards decorated with flags. They are not there for PR effect. They represent Ukraine’s defiance and will to resist. Call it pride, if you like. The consequence of that choice or sentiment is all those flags across the country which Ukrainians are very well aware of. They are fed over the years about their uniqueness (nobody will admit that his nation is subpar anyway) but on a big scale. It begins in 2014, which provided plenty of time to rebuild from scratch almost new identity (psychologists and sociologists will have to work hard to explain the phenomenon), with tremendous help and I would say, with the main tool in the personality of mass media. One factor was also important, maybe more than anything else. Ua become the center of the world. Not by its design, but because the future destiny of the world would be shaped there. Before 2014, no one cared about Ukraine. It was just some rusty old post-Soviet state, maybe worth harvesting for riches here and there. Then, all of a sudden, everything changed. They became a “protected species”, praised and tapped on the back by almost every other significant player in the world, who, before, didn’t even bother to look in their way. And Ukraine’s population felt that. From nobody in the eyes of the West to the beacon of light and defender of the free world. Yes, they felt it. They started to become proud of their country, a new identity, and their importance. Especially since their artificially created, “mortal enemy”, Russia, wound them heavily by taking Crimea. They are raised in their own eyes, and propaganda turns Russians into Orcs, wilde and filthy hordes from the east, who want to conquer, plunder, burn their cities, rape their women, and wipe out the newly created spirit they accepted and liked so much. Other countries use this opportunity and amplified the effect of Ukraine’s uniqueness. Pols, because they hate Russians organically, from many historical reasons, ex Warsaw pact countries because of being Soviet puppets (despite Soviets building pretty much everything for them), Germans, whose fear was already genetically installed since WW2, Britain, who’s a foreign policy through centuries besides colonialism, was “Containment of Russia” and the pragmatic USA, because of huge Russian nuclear arsenal. Ukraine becomes a place where Old New World Order meets New World Order in creation. We thought it would be Vietnam. We were wrong. Afghanistan twice, again wrong, Syria, no. It was Ukraine all along, the fact USA and Soviet (later Russian) strategists predicted. No one believed in that development but it happened.
So, why is Ukraine so stubborn? They don’t care about being the protector of the “free world” of “beacon of light “. That is the idiotic mantra the West is trying to sell to its people, to justify the fall of living standards and a situation that is threatening to escalate into something so serious, that world didn’t see anything like it since the disappearance of dinosaurs. Ukraine is defending itself, half willingly, half forced. But even those forced, if the situation is developing in a better way, would gladly take their part, at least some, to be a figure in the victory. They are defending their “newly” discovered identity, which Russia is trying to suppress. For better or worse. They are defending Ukraine, whatever we thought of it, like it or not. So, two nations are at war, for survival. One will end up in ruins in the end. None of them wants to allow that to happen. They will all fight until the utter defeat of the other side.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/49159

Let’s be honest here, and open. Both sides look at this conflict as an existential one. Hundreds of thousands of killed Ukrainians will be followed by hundreds of thousands more. Nobody should have any illusion about it. “Butcher tally” will be huge. Lots of Russians will perish also. With every person killed on both sides, anger and hate and brutality will only grow. It grows already. It didn’t reach even half of what it can. This is the best-case scenario. The worst-case scenario would include dozens, maybe hundreds of millions of dead across the world (mainly in Europe and the USA), because, keep in mind, the battle between World Orders is happening in that old, rusty post-Soviet state people didn’t bother to look before 2014. but now, they are waking up with news from there.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 12:23 utc | 243

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 7:38 utc | 216
Hello shadowbanned. You really have lost it with this post. Within your concerned post you state “…I have no idea…”, and really that is the only thing in your post that is correct.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jun 4 2023 11:04 utc | 239

Putin could have done a COVID-free bubble with China, but didn’t. Instead he just let 1.5M people die. Completely preventable and needless, just so that taxes stay flat and low and so that oligarchs didn’t have to do downwards wealth redistribution to fund the effort.
And it would have helped a lot with the preparations for the war too — by building the societal organization and cohesion that is needed for both things. But no, oligarch wealth and maintaining obscene levels of social inequality is a much more important objective. And we know he knew damn well how serious the situation is because he himself was shielding hard all the way into the start of the SMO, and probably still is taking serious precautions (we never see what filtering people he interacts with go through, nor are we certain it is really him and not a double during all public appearances).
Is it any wonder that 40,000 people in Shebekino having their homes burned down is not a sufficiently pressing concern to warrant serious action to stop it given that very recent historical context?
What he does with the war is completely irrelevant after that, the monstrous crime has already been committed.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 12:29 utc | 244

The British when they invaded countries during neo colonial times were masters at it. British History exposes a lot of the myths people are told today.
The British immediately imposed a tax liability in the British currency. A hut tax in British Crowns. You pay us a hut tax of 2O Crowns a month or we will burn your hut down.
The nation who had been conquered asks where do we get the Crowns from in order to pay the tax. The British replied you work in our coffee plantation we will pay you 1 crown a day.
The British monetized the conquered nation.
So some people went to work in the coffee plantation to earn the Crowns to pay the tax. Others sold goods and services to the workers and the British army to earn the Crowns to pay the tax.
1. The tax liability of 20 crowns a month drove the currency. That without it would have just been worthless bits of paper.
2. The British ALWAYS deficit spent. Put more Crowns into the economy than they had taken out of the economy in taxes. This allowed the locals to save in Crowns. Take time off from working.
3. If not enough workers turned up to work the British increased the tax.
4. If too many workers turned up for work they reduced the tax.
5. Before the British turned up there was no unemployment everybody in the village had a job to do. The tax imposed by the British created the unemployment that the British then used to fill the jobs in the plantation.
Taxes funded nothing they drove the currency and moved skills and real resources around. Exactly like today.
I play a game when I am on holiday and visit a museum. I go straight to the coin section in the museum and try and figure out the history of the place. Then walk through the museum to see if I am right. Places like Menorca or any strategic port have had half a dozen rulers over the centuries who all used their own currencies to enslave Menorca.
The Euro is just an extension of that neocolionalism today. As soon as a nations tax liability is imposed in Euros. They are enslaved by unelected technocratic Brussels. Who then load them up with Euro debt.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 4 2023 12:33 utc | 245

nor are we certain it is really him and not a double during all public appearances.
Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 12:29 utc | 248
It is him, but he wears a print of his face on the back of the head, so you never know when he’s looking at you or not.

Posted by: rk | Jun 4 2023 12:34 utc | 246

Exile @ 245
Ha ha ha that made me think back…
Chemitz, ist that the place in E.Germany where they had very bad nazi riots about 6-7 years ago ?
If my memory serves me correctly.
That was some hum dinger posts and threads over that period of time.
Refugees were the catalyst,
Threads 400 or more long.
The majority on this site were anti-refugee and swore blind there was no fascism in Europe, England or America!
A bit of humility is good for the soul. But it appears the academics here really really hate being proved wrong and hold a grudge if you are right, for a long time.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 4 2023 12:41 utc | 247

You would have had Stalin and Zhukov ‘executed on Red Square’ before Stalingrad was even under siege.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jun 4 2023 11:04 utc | 239

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 4 2023 12:44 utc | 248

Re: Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 12:29 utc | 248
“Putin could have done a COVID-free bubble with China, but didn’t. Instead he just let 1.5M people die. “
1.5 million deaths in Russia in 2 years? Because of the COV?
A “Covid free bubble”?? Ok … Putin let 1.5 million Russians die in 2 years… sure… now prove it with facts, let’s see the obituaries & funeral announcements. Must have been 109s of notices every single day throughout all of Russia, funeral processions & cars in every City causing traffic jams to get to funerals. Ambulances & Fire. Trucks racing to homes, apartments, work places, non stop every single day for at least 2 years, every major city awash in ambulances & funerals.
Nice try.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 4 2023 12:48 utc | 249

@ Inki | Jun 4 2023 11:54 utc | 243
I guess they live in hope.
I do not think they want to take Kiev now, nor damage it.
I am pretty sure that when planning the SMO, they hoped that Kiev will fold, but that was not the only aim.
Offensive operations, such as SMO in its first few weeks, are ideally suited for the planning and execution of a wide variety of deception operations.
RF influenced, through offensive action, the development of the battle and did not react very much to the enemy’s offensive-defensive initiative.
Showing the enemy physical evidence of a particular intention was the most convincing way to sell the RF’s deception story.
The RF’s ability to exercise some offensive initiative, as in taking the airport, significantly increased its deception options.
That was not too costly, as the profile of the troops was not designed to stormtroop Kiev, but to enter and control it.
So, a bit more than a police action.
I am sure RF were sorry that Kiev didn’t fold, not as in their failure, but sorry for the Ukrainians.
Otherwise, the West was very keen to see RF going strong into Kiev.
RF would have to smash half of the Kiev, to fight through civilians and pound it heavily to reach the decision-making centres.
That would leave the pile of bodies and destruction.
But that was never an option, nor it was ever planned as such, at all.
Maskirovka is RFs speciality, and it pretty much succeeded, considering that SMO was new for both sides.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 4 2023 12:50 utc | 250

Aha yes….
I wonder …is any one checking on the numbers of refugees coming from Ukraine and maybe Afganistan ?
The MSM seem to have moved from…
‘Refugees bad’
To
‘Refugees good’
It’s all….
‘Public perseption management’

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 4 2023 12:52 utc | 251

When the British ruling class using Thatcher told the British lower classes that “there is no such thing as state money only tax payers money.”
It highlighted just how dumb, stupid and thick the British lower classes are. All the British lower classes had to do was read any bank note to see it was a lie. It is written in very simple English where money comes from On any bank note.
If the British ruling class had actually believed their own propaganda. They would have lost every war they ever fought and every colony.
But that’s how Easy it is to fool the lower classes. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. Brainwashed out of their minds since entering education camps from the age of 5. Flooded with propaganda as adults.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 4 2023 12:53 utc | 252

They don’t threaten to burn your house down today things have moved on. You just go to jail if you fail to pay the tax liability.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 4 2023 13:03 utc | 253

What we want is dead Americans.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 3 2023 17:50 utc | 6
———
You man enough to come over and try it yourself, Marky-boy? You seem to do a lot of threatening of American people, who overwhelmingly have NOTHING to do with what this Globalist filth are doing in Ukraine and elsewhere. Or are you just another mouthy punk? Tell us where you are … maybe some of us can come over and give you a chance face to face.

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Jun 4 2023 13:28 utc | 254

“Who is the equivalent Cecil Rhodes round table of today?”
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 4 2023 7:19 utc | 209
Rachel Maddow. duh.

Today, the Truman Center for National Policy announced that Rachel Maddow will be the keynote speaker at TruCon 2023, the organization’s flagship annual conference, on June 2nd.
“Rachel Maddow covers today’s biggest stories, always placing justice, equality and values at the center of the conversation,” said Truman President Jenna Ben-Yehuda, “At Truman, we believe that national security encompasses a wide range of issues, many of which Maddow analyzes through her multiple platforms. We are thrilled to have her join TruCon this year.”

very scholarly

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 4 2023 13:44 utc | 255

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 12:29 utc | 248
«Putin could have done a COVID-free bubble with China, but didn’t. Instead he just let 1.5M people die. Completely preventable and needless,»
That relates to one of the big mysteries of modern times; why some governments adopted some variant of TTI (from Korea-south to Norway) and most others either did half-baked general shutdowns or let-it-rip. Because the two categories have cut across geographic, cultural, ideological, alliance categories.
«just so that taxes stay flat and low and so that oligarchs didn’t have to do downwards wealth redistribution to fund the effort.»
It was not about taxes, because half-baked general lockdowns and massive vaccinations also cost a lot of public money, it was about ideology: whether public health is an individual (self-isolate if you can afford it to protect yourself) or social (test, trace, isolate some people so most can be protected) matter.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/27/british-government-covid-strategy-virus-incompetence-ignorance-pandemic
“In a report released last December, the cross-party joint committee on national security strategy condemned the government for having “failed seriously to consider how it might scale up testing, isolation and contact-tracing capabilities during a serious disease outbreak” […] this governing approach, which we call “fatalistic liberalism”, allows it to place the blame on the mix of public behaviour and natural causes. Risk appears to be the consequence of personal choice – people can decide whether to wear a mask or whether to get vaccinated – not the result of policy decisions made at the top”

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 4 2023 13:58 utc | 256

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 7:38 utc | 216
i’m outraged. The third Ukie Barbarossa in two weeks. This time they advanced nearly 500m into Russian territory, just 701,500m from the gates of Moscow. Why oh why didn’t Putin just nuke everything straight awat? He is a traitor and should hang in red square. And another thing… (etc <>ad nauseam).

😐

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 4 2023 13:58 utc | 257

Americans need to stop killing in cold blood foreigners.
It really is that simple folk.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 4 2023 13:59 utc | 258

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 12:29 utc | 248
«And we know he knew damn well how serious the situation is because he himself was shielding hard all the way into the start of the SMO, and probably still is taking serious precautions»
That has always been true, both the USA and RF presidents take extreme measures against “contaminants”, obviously assumed to be non-lethal. That such extreme measures are taken against non-lethal “contaminants” has very scary implications:
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/behind-scenes-putins-court-private-habits-latter-day-dictator-260640.html
The luxury hotel his administration will occupy is inspected. The FSB and the SVR cooperate in this delicate matter. How secure is that room? How bio-contaminable is this bathroom?
The court has established itself on foreign soil a week before he arrives. The hotel becomes the Kremlin. They have booked and sealed 200 rooms. There is a special lift uniquely prepared for the presidential use. Diplomats cluck and confer with pot-bellied FSO inspectors and clammy-handed protocol officers.
His room is sealed: no one is allowed access to it. This is the work of the special security team. The hotel sheets and toiletries are removed and replaced. Their places filled with wash stuffs and fresh fruit under special Kremlin anti-contamination seals.
Meanwhile everything he will need arrives by the planeload: Russian cooks, Russian cleaners, Russian waiters. Russian lorries bleep and dock with two tons of Russian food. He will sleep on this soil one night. Meanwhile, teams of diplomats engage in multi-session food negotiations with the host.
The President cannot be served milk products, though that is contradicted by orders of Russian security services. The President cannot be offered food by the host – including the head of state or government.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293943/Mystery-remains-Obamas-rumored-Taster-Chief-president-forgoes-eating-Republicans-Hill-food-screener-wasnt-hand.html
Former Secret Service agent Joseph Petro didn’t go into much detail in his 2005 book about his career protecting presidents but did write, ‘In principle, nothing edible gets near the President unless we know where it comes from and who has handled it.’ In his book, Standing Next to History, Mr Petro revealed that when the president travels abroad, special White House stewards are given the menu in advance for formal dinners. The stewards bring the ingredients from the U.S., prepare the food and serve it to the president, though it will appear exactly like those options presented to the other guests.

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 4 2023 14:05 utc | 259

Blissex@261
Excellent contribution. To add to the context, while ideology was undoubtedly the basis of the peculiar decisions made in the “west” (including Russia in this matter) underlying the ideology was a view of the world and society which predates capitalism. The Chinese example was followed by Korea, for example, and other countries in Asia with anti communist governments.
What we learned, or had confirmed, was that the standard European canard that “They don’t value individual lives in other cultures’ was projection. It was in the European and north American heartlands that governments refused to intervene while so many old and vulnerable peoole went prematurely to their graves.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 4 2023 14:12 utc | 260

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jun 4 2023 12:29 utc | 248
«Is it any wonder that 40,000 people in Shebekino having their homes burned down is not a sufficiently pressing concern to warrant serious action to stop it given that very recent historical context?»
Some time ago the russians abandoned and burned to the ground Moscow itself before an invader in their “scorched earth” approach to defense. They have huge strategic depth, and it is cheap. Anyhow perhaps one day the political and military capital to Perm or Tyumen to gain even more strategic depth.
The USA strategy is to take advantage of the many places where russians have been left inside other states to keep provoking the RF government, and now even “poke the bear” attacks on the borders and inside the RF itself. The RF is immense and its borders and most of its territory are indefensible, so the goal is to exhaust the RF military in whack-a-mole operations, to trigger regime change.
I read about one way to understand better military operations in the immense expanses of place like Ukraine or the RF which are mostly uninhabited: imagine them as oceans, with towns as islands, and agglomerations of towns as archipelagos, and where armies are like fleets roaming around trying to find each other, and fighting over island bases (like Bakhmut).

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 4 2023 14:15 utc | 261

The US calls Putin a war criminal, yet the US still illegally holds 1/3 of Syrian territory and is building another military base there, as Jimmy Dore explains here

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 4 2023 14:36 utc | 262

it was about ideology: whether public health is an individual (self-isolate if you can afford it to protect yourself) or social (test, trace, isolate some people so most can be protected) matter.
Posted by: Blissex | Jun 4 2023 13:58 utc | 261

In Russia it was a mix of both – first of all, Russia already had information that some deadly viruses were being created close to it’s borders, and Covid from the very beginning had “AMERICAN BIOLABS” written all over it, so the very first responces were rather forced, cautious. After some research the official position got slacker, like “there are some” basic rules, but everyone has to use his own head.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 4 2023 14:39 utc | 263

Sure makes the Ukrainian military look almost as good as the Keystone cops. But then, how has Ukraine managed to hang on for over a year? Western weapons alone can’t explain it. Something doesn’t smell right.

Posted by: GioCon | Jun 4 2023 15:20 utc | 264

@Lev Davidovich | Jun 4 2023 11:04 #239
“You would have had Stalin and Zhukov ‘executed on Red Square’ before Stalingrad was even under siege.”
That’s really rich, coming from an obvious Trot’! Isn’t that what the original Lev and others, like Bukharin, wanted?

Posted by: zeke2u | Jun 4 2023 15:21 utc | 265

zeke2u: User shadowbanned who brought up the notion of public executions—namely of Putin and the Russian leadership. Lev Davidovich was just performing a necessary reductio ad absurdum on shadowbanned’s bloodlust. User shadowbanned has previously fantasized about summarily executing a few million Russians whom he considers to be impediments. Forget Trotsky; we’ve got ourselves a veritable Pol Pot on our hands.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 4 2023 15:29 utc | 266

@Paul Greenwood | Jun 4 2023 10:04 utc | 234
The Epstein figure is in a way a parallel figure to Michel Friedman in Germany, convicted of cocaine, Ukrainian sex slave importation – he was taken off the TV for a while, and after a time is back, with a academic title and TV appearance. Strangely, both very close in age.

Posted by: fanto | Jun 4 2023 16:51 utc | 267

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 4 2023 14:36 utc | 267
«The US calls Putin a war criminal, yet the US still illegally holds 1/3 of Syrian territory and is building another military base there»
The USA and the UK governments recognize as the legitimate government of Syria a coalition of “freedom fighters” which has invited them into their country and regard Assad as an invader who has committed the war crime of aggression against Syria and is illegally occupying 2/3 of the territory of “Free Syria”..
In a similar way the USA have used Article 51 on legitimate self defense for the military strike against the iranian general Soleimani, to deter future potential iranian aggressions against USA troops abroad:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-usa-un-idUSKBN1Z809Q

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 4 2023 17:09 utc | 268

The RF is immense and its borders and most of its territory are indefensible
Posted by: Blissex | Jun 4 2023 14:15 utc | 266
True. But these attacks happen in the same place, very often. The same thing happens in Donetsk for example. Or the shelling of ZNPP. It’s pure incompetence, if not something else. The local volunteers can’t have weapons, how strange is that? So when 20-50 terrorists attack, with 1 tank or even without, they go anywhere they like, kill anyone they find and run.
Now they have artillery in range and shoot all day long at Belgorod without being interrupted by anyone. So let’s forget the vastness of Russia, not the case here.

Posted by: rk | Jun 4 2023 17:10 utc | 269

West of England.
“Two ways of looking at the Russian move on Kiev. They thought Kiev residents would be pleased to see them and didn’t expect much resistance. Or….it was intended to draw UAF away from Donbass. It didn’t work out too well so they withdrew.”
Then there is the right way to look at it. Only a deranged fool would believe a force of 70,000 men could capture a city of 3 million The Russian General Staff, unlike the political whorehouses of the West, are not staffed with such. The Kiev feint certainly succeeded in both its goals
1. Forcing Zeleninsky to keep Kiev fully battalioned; preventing the reinforcement of troops to the Dombass.
2. Forcing Zelinsky to the the negotiating table where an agreement acceptable to both sides was all but inked before Boris Johnson flew to Istanbul and convinced Zelinsky that the US and UK would provide whatever to takes to force a completed Russian withdrawal. That was the end of March just one month in.
The BBC and MediaZona, an anti Putin Russian NGO, have compiled the most detailed estimates of Russian dead, Last I looked back in March it was c 14,000.
Best estimates are a 7:1 ratio so Von der leyen’s accidental blurting out 100,000 dead Ukrainians back then seems about right.
You really should stop reading the crap in the UK and US media. People might mistake you for a moron.

Posted by: Bilejones | Jun 4 2023 17:33 utc | 270

sln2002 # 13:44 utc | 260
re Rachel Maddow:

“We are thrilled to have her join TruCon this year.”
very scholarly

They can’t even get that right, Maddow has been a con for at least a decade.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 4 2023 23:06 utc | 271

As far as I can see US military doctrine is mostly derived from German military doctrine of WW2. Who defeated the major part of the German Army? The Soviet Union. So seems to me Soviet Military Doctrine trumps German/US Military doctrine. Since 1945 has United States fought a near peer? Nah, so it’s likely US Army is overrated.

BTW, when it was appropriate Soviet Union could do manoeuvre warfare. Read up on Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation.

My view of most Western Military Experts in Western media is that they don’t have a clue. Same with most Russian Military Experts in Russian media, they are so infected with Washington’s bullshit narrative that they don’t have a clue either.

NATO would be best advised not to intervene directly in the Ukraine conflict, it’s probable they won’t like the results

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 4 2023 23:45 utc | 272

The same happened to the italian when the USA invaded in 1943, it simply dissolved.
Blissex #10
In WWII we decided to require absolute surrender of the Axis Powers. Because Italy had their internal revolution and did in Mussolini without, shall we say, asking our permission, they never actually surrendered to us. Thus when we invaded Italy we were still at war with Italy. Naturally that limited the ability to cooperate.
Our current big idea is move in and attempt to set the country up to our liking. No prior discussions necessary.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 5 2023 0:22 utc | 273

The Germans hated using infantry with tanks in WWII. They were too slow to unlimber their PAK-40 or FH-18; too vulnerable to whatever was already pecking at the panzers. And when the mission was done, they could not be detached to return to friendly lines on their own but rather had to be escorted back. Sucking operational fuel away from the tanks.
Our concept of modern maneuver warfare as a combined arms exercise between Company Teams and composite battalion TFs is straight out of _Team Yankee_ and RSR. Without overwhelming airpower to smash threats to a fixed, friendly, armor force, small scale joint fires is just a mazcat waiting to happen.
The Ukrainians burned bodies at Bakhmut, but the Russians burned time.
Neither side wants to get out from under their IADS/jammer bubbbles to try and carry the battle forward through serious bewegungskrieg raiding.
Yet, if Russia doesn’t reestablish offensive initiative, she will see NATO slowly restock Ukraine with the _weapons systems_, which do matter, leading to forever war as The West builds Aegis Ashore and Tomahawk batteries or PrSM launch capacity, behind the Dnieper.
Also a really bad idea, not least because, tactically, you don’t really know who is behind that oxygen mask or turret hatch. It could be a Pole, a Dutchman, Brit or Norwegian. People who know what they are doing.
The F-16s won’t roll back an R-37M/48N6DM threat but they will pull the horns in on a Geran-2/Kh-101 one; letting the Patriots detach additional radars and battery segments <1-2 LS> to take up the sniper role forfeited by the depleted S-300/Buk systems. Which will quickly also deny the Russian MGB-500 and UPAB-1500 high standoff option as cheap PGMs.
What will absolutely kill this war however will be the SPIEF outcome as lack of money when a new startup currency ends the dollar, sometime this month. Someone will get desperate or stupid then and commit western airpower and the Russians will have to hit NATO MOBs to stop it. Or the West will try for more then RIF raids to open up the battlespace in preparation for a Zabrodsky style deep attack. Punching through enough armor to hyper extend the fronts and sieve outwards, behind the FSCL, making it hard for Russia to respond to intermingled combatant forces.
Either will be the end of the Ukrainian war effort because operational overreach is the result of ineffective strategic goal setting and lack of achievable objective maneuver. You want to take good sized chunks out of the front and then pull back and do it again, elsewhere, as Russia tries to reform their frontline trace. Hitting them again, when they move forces transversely, across the fronts. And thus do to them, with dominant maneuver, what they did to the Ukrainians, in Bakhmut, with artillery.
These run’n’gun tricks work and, importantly, conserve forces. But they take time to execute as a rolling series of attacks and they need someone like a NATO version of Surovikin to gain unity of command, forcing cooperative support amongst all the independent Ukrainian brigades. That person should, probably, be Western, to bind NATO to the fight, openly, and allow advanced BMC2 as much as operational theory to enter the theater via secure comms.

Posted by: NOYB | Jun 5 2023 3:44 utc | 274

Posted by: zeke2u | Jun 4 2023 15:21 utc | 270
There are two ways to cure your ignorance. You can either continue to make posts displaying your ignorance and asking questions of other barflies. Or you can read and do your own research. People have even been kind enough to provide you with a reading list, but you seem to prefer continued ignorance to reading. Bevin similarly offered a reference to another troll, who then declared he hadn’t read the text but even if he had it wouldn’t change his opinion. This is the pinnacle of ignorance.
You appear to have no clue about Trotsky and Bukharin, but you seem to be a fan (in 2023!?) of Josef Stalin, who of course had Trotsky and Bukharin and millions of others murdered. Trotsky had more foresight than Bukharin (in fact Trotsky has more foresight than you appear to have with over 100 years of hindsight) and realised that Stalin would betray the principles of permanent revolution with his ‘socialism in one country’ leading to a corrupted bureaucracy masquerading as communism, while Stalin clung to power with ruthlessness and authoritarianism. Of course these traits of Stalin were useful from 1940-1945 when faced with a war of annihilation.
For your benefit I’ll explain again, my point was that shadowbanned and other concern trolls are so hysterical at minor set backs for the Russian SMO, then they would have been trembling wrecks following the initial reverses for Stalin during the onset of Operation Barbarossa.
To be clear to you, I don’t advocate public executions of anyone, either contemporary or historical figures. These calls were part of the concern troll chorus. I hope this aids with your comprehension. All the best with your reading.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jun 5 2023 8:34 utc | 275

Posted by: NOYB | Jun 5 2023 3:44 utc | 279
Thanks for this. You clearly have military insight. However you do make an assumption on NATO. Stoltenberg doesn’t seem that capable and his proposed replacement Ben Wallace is a complete buffoon. You also state Brits / Dutch etc forces are more competent than UAF. Maybe. We don’t really know as they only ever fight asymmetric warfare with opponents of much weaker states and even then they have not managed to succeed.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jun 5 2023 8:41 utc | 276

the false reporting situation mirrors how the KPIs work in civil service in the US/UK, its death by metrics.

Posted by: enkidu | Jun 5 2023 9:47 utc | 277

Re: Posted by: Bilejones | Jun 4 2023 17:33 utc | 275

1. Forcing Zeleninsky to keep Kiev fully battalioned; preventing the reinforcement of troops to the Dombass.

If that is the case – why is Russia after 18 months still not even close to liberating the Donbass?!?
Why is Donetsk city still being shelled after 18 months of this ‘troop diversion from Donbass’ if this assertion is even a real thing?!?
Given results on the ground – it’s clearly made up – look at the evidence of 18 months on the basically static Donbass frontline.

Posted by: Julian | Jun 5 2023 12:32 utc | 278

Re: Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 4 2023 23:45 utc | 277

As far as I can see US military doctrine is mostly derived from German military doctrine of WW2. Who defeated the major part of the German Army? The Soviet Union. So seems to me Soviet Military Doctrine trumps German/US Military doctrine. Since 1945 has United States fought a near peer? Nah, so it’s likely US Army is overrated.

You’ve never heard of the Korean War have you? Do you know who fought in that war? Ever watched MASH?!?

Posted by: Julian | Jun 5 2023 12:37 utc | 279

Nothing will help one to understand the Korean War like the TV show “Mash”.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 5 2023 12:46 utc | 280

SwissArmyMan: most excellent snark! And if course you’re talking about a populace that for several years derived its knowledge of the European theater of the Second World War from”Hogan’s Heroes” and “Patton.”

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 5 2023 12:51 utc | 281

I always thought “Mash” was trying to be about Vietnam and was cleverly slipping past the Corporate sponsors by claiming to be about Korea.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 5 2023 12:59 utc | 282

MASH was essentially a human interest story about Americans; Koreans (real or fake) were occasional props at best. It could have been set just about anywhere.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 5 2023 13:26 utc | 283

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 4 2023 0:23 utc | 144
Just pull up the polling in Ukraine prior to Maidan re joining the EU and their views on NATO. And then acquaint them with how many referendums Crimea had between collapse of USSR and ’14, and then if they haven’t completely glazed over by then introduce them to the “Roses Have Thorns” documentary series and see how they can massage the evidence of their own eyes with the crap they’ve been peddaled.

Posted by: MillerJ | Jun 5 2023 19:17 utc | 284

Don’t forget Canada (OP ‘Unifier’) has been training Ukrainians too…
https://twitter.com/herulerna/status/913468028741996545

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jun 6 2023 3:36 utc | 285