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June 3, 2023
The Ukrainian Military Is In Bad Shape

Erik Kramer and Paul Schneider are two former U.S. special operations soldiers who have been in Ukraine since 2022 to train Ukrainian troops.

At War on the Rocks they paint a dark picture of the state of the Ukrainian military. Their intent is to get money for more training, thus the real picture may be less dark than they describe. But even if one takes that into account it is still a sad state for an army that has been at war for more than a year. Some excerpts:

Based on our nine months of training with all services of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, to include the Ground Forces (Army), Border Guard Service, National Guard, Naval Infantry (Marines), Special Operations Forces, and Territorial Defense Forces, we have observed a series of common trends: lack of mission command, effective training, and combined arms operations; ad hoc logistics and maintenance; and improper use of special operations forces. These trends have undermined Ukraine’s resistance and could hinder the success of the ongoing offensive.

What ongoing offensive?

Under mission command, the German Auftragstaktik, the leader disseminates his intent ("to attack through the northern woods to take town x") and authority to subunits that is passed down with the mission to empower subordinates at all levels. Each subunits can make its plans to coordinate and execute the mission as best as possible. The contrast is an order command where every detail of execution is ordered from the top down. Both have advantages but to have a mixed system, as Ukraine currently has, is the worst of all places.

In our experience, across many units and staffs, the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not promote personal initiative and foster mutual trust or mission command. As Michael Kofman and Rob Lee recently discussed on the Russia Contingency podcast, elements of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have an old Soviet mentality that holds most decision-making at more senior levels. Amongst military leaders at the brigade level and below, our impression is that junior officers fear making mistakes.

But to use mission command down to the lower levels of a Platoon one needs noncommissioned officers (sergeants) to run the show. Those the Ukrainian military had are by now probably dead:

Having trained every component of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, we have continually seen a lack of an experienced noncommissioned officer corps. It is common to see field grade officers running around during training counting personnel and coordinating for meals. In the United States, it takes years to develop just a junior noncommissioned officer.

The next big lack is combined arms training and use. Tanks protect the infantry, the infantry protects the tanks, the artillery covers the battlefield to allow tanks and infantry to maneuver, command takes care that all three coordinate their actions.

The armor/infantry relationship is supposed to be symbiotic, but it is not. The result is that infantry will conduct frontal assaults or operate in urban areas without the protection and firepower of tanks. Also, artillery fires are not synchronized with maneuver. Most units do not talk directly to supporting artillery, so there is a delay in call for fire missions. We have been told that units will use runners to send fire missions to artillery batteries because of issues with communications.

Most of the military’s operations are not phased and are sequential. Fires and maneuver, for example, are planned separately from infantry units — and infantry units plan separately from supporting artillery. This mentality also carries over to adjacent unit coordination, which is either nonexistent or rare and causes high rates of fratricide. Unit commanders have concerns about collaborators and thus are hesitant to pass on critical information that can be used against them to sister units.

These issues are compounded by unreliable communications between units and with senior leadership. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have a hodgepodge of radios that are vulnerable to jamming. Further, battalion missions are mainly independent company operations that do not focus on a main effort coupled with supporting efforts. The armed forces do not combine effects, so operations are piecemeal and disjointed. The separate missions are not supporting each other, nor are the missions of lower level units “nested” under a higher level mission. Sustainment is not synchronized with operations, either.

Due to the wild mix of weapons and for lack of trained mechanics logistics and the maintenance of equipment are a mess.

This lack of coordinated maintenance and logistics also translates into medical care. Medical evacuation and care are haphazard. Experienced Ukrainian combat medics have repeatedly stated that many of the evacuees would have survived it they had reached definitive care in a timely manner. The Ukrainian Armed Forces can solve this issue with a systematic logistics process.

Ukrainian special forces are mostly used as infantry even as they should be used for more demanding missions. There also are gimmick missions:

Ukraine special forces units comprised of international volunteers shop around their services to conventional unit commanders without a mission being tied to a strategic or operational goal. One example of a mission was a conventional brigade commander who had reported to his command that he had occupied a village taken from the Russians. When he realized that the information he had was mistaken and they had stopped short, he asked the international special operations forces unit to go into the occupied village and take a picture of a Ukrainian flag placed on top of a building in the center of the village.

A suicide mission to hide the commanders false reporting …

The authors claim that most of the above problems could be fixed by more 'western' training which they are more than willing to sell. However, what has become of the last armies 'western' forces have trained in Iraq and Afghanistan? Both fell apart. An army must reflect the local society and culture. It can not be formed top down by outside forces.

Since 2015 the Ukrainian army has been build up and trained by U.S. and British forces. What the WotR authors describe is the result of that.

Comments

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 3 2023 22:16 utc | 100
Hasn’t this Budanov rumor been circulating for a week or two? Could be similar to the rumors about that other guy whose name starts with a “Z” (Zaluhzny?) who later surfaced looking a little worn out, but definitely alive and kicking.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 3 2023 22:19 utc | 101

Perhaps Ukraine will focus the initial counter-offensive on attacking the Moldovian breakaway republic of Transnistria. The Moldovian President has already approved any Ukrainian attack on the Republic. This attack might allow Ukraine to take over the massive Soviet-era arms depot.
Last I heard Russia has some 800 peacekeepers in Transnistria augmented by some 20-40 thousand militia. Earlier estimates of Russian green men put the Russian forces at some four thousand.
Any ideas on whether or not Transnistria can repel some 40,000 Ukrainian troops?

Posted by: krollchem | Jun 3 2023 22:21 utc | 102

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 3 2023 20:45 utc | 73 “Hmm.. I still remain to be convinced that Russia intended to take Kiev in the early days of the SMO”
The Russians fought their way into Kyiv in the early days of the SMO. They made it to the Kyiv zoo.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1497385748680556548
https://twitter.com/i/status/1497384009420136457
https://twitter.com/i/status/1497386752054546433
My opinion is they intended to take Kyiv but didn’t expect the resistancethey encountered and ended up going to Plan B. My guess is given where else Russia rushed small units to in Ukraine the original plan called for Ukraine to collapse. For example, they got to Voznesensk with only a few hundred men.

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 3 2023 22:26 utc | 103

I’d like to see a similar report on the Russian military–I suspect there are many problems there which is why they are using Wagner, Chechen, and Donbas forces for the most dangerous jobs.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jun 3 2023 18:02 utc | 13
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It may have been in these pages, but it has been said that only ten percent of Russian military is modernized. BDA takes two weeks, per their bureaucracy.
wsj some long time ago said that the Ukies were better trained because of Canadian NATO teaching them how to rely on NCOs and small unit tactics. That lesson may have taken, hard to know, since they are now mostly dead NCOs.
The bottom line, as this article confirms, is that the Ukies today are much worse off than the Russians. Any referee would have called a halt if this were a boxing match, credits to another barfly, not so long ago.
I don’t think that the Russkies can stop unless they have acquired Odessa (a possible NATO port?) and secured their perimeter against terrorist attacks. The West cannot be trusted.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 3 2023 22:31 utc | 104

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 3 2023 22:26 utc | 104
Russian forces weren’t exactly marched out of Kiev by the UAF. They got there, then left. In all likelihood the advance on Kiev was an attempt to ‘shape the battlefield’ in other parts of the country. It either did or didn’t (or somewhere in between) have the desired effect and they were withdrawn.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 3 2023 22:33 utc | 105

Tom_Q_Collins @ 102
I dont know, its just a bit of sick humor. A video release does not tell me much these days. As the saying goes, “its all bullshit”. Let them both visit the US and walk around with our stumbing commander in chief and then I will believe it. There is money to be had now that the budget is solid again.

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 3 2023 22:34 utc | 106

Posted by: krollchem | Jun 3 2023 22:21 utc | 103 “Transnistria”
Likely closer to 1,500 Russian troops. 4,000 Transnistria military and 15,000 to 20,000 reserves. My opinion is that as long as Ukraine doesn’t try to hold the Transnistria countryside, but treat it like a big raid they could deal with the Russian and Transnistria forces. The goal would be to inflict some serious damage on the Russian troops to embarrass Russia. It would show that Russia can’t support it’s patrons. Which is likely true in this case given the unique circumstances do to geography and politics.

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 3 2023 22:36 utc | 107

Macron latest ramblings are indicative of the narrative shift. he talked about waiting up on Hague tribunals as having Putin involved in a peace deal was more important , but then seemed to think after successfully negotiating RF submission Putin could then go to trial. Me thinks he found cocainskys stash and indulged heavily. And yes i think many have noted the very public falling down zel looking ragged and in Berlin bunker moment . The Rishak interview was grade A cringe from a mental health perspective.

Posted by: hankster | Jun 3 2023 22:46 utc | 108

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 3 2023 22:34 utc | 107
Yeah. Speaking of, I’d like to see recent video of Ayatollah Mike. I’ve always suspected there was something to that rumor, and there was in fact a plane crash/shootdown preceding it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 3 2023 22:46 utc | 109

IMO, nothing at this point can improve NATO for its problems are deep-seated and mired within a cult of corruption that must first be ousted before anything meaningful can be done to improve it.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 3 2023 18:59 utc | 27
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Indeed. The Military, NATO included is a good gig. Prepare for war, buy war toys, have exercises, promotions, retirement, nice gig. Dying in wars is a bad plan.
The few NATO officers killed by Russian strikes, IMHO, scared the living daylights out of them. They did not think of themselves of being at ris. NATO training will have conveyed, at least partially, to the Ukies. The failure of some Western weapons at Russian hands is spectacular.
Killing off NATO and Western corruption is a tough call. The slow demise of the Biden administration is not encouraging, MSM still being their cheerleaders. Color me not optimistic. It will take a major cataclysm and the rise of a new class of leaders. Thinking of Pareto’s ‘Circulation of the Elites.’

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 3 2023 22:51 utc | 110

hankster @ 109
These people are engaged in a dialogue amongst themselves that is only intended to forestall their own accountability. It is well understood by Putin and Xi, who are waiting for the new eltes to emerge and take power.

Posted by: mark3 | Jun 3 2023 23:01 utc | 111

” The Moldovian President has already approved any Ukrainian attack on the Republic. ”
Posted by: krollchem | Jun 3 2023 22:21 utc | 103
Really? When?
She claims Transnistria is a part of Moldova. That approval would therefore be an approval of an attack on Moldova itself. She cannot officially grant that. It would be treason. An inofficial approval would be worthless. A Ukrainian attack on Transnistria would destroy Ukrainian relations to Moldova – and Moldova is currently *friendly* towards Ukraine.
“This attack might allow Ukraine to take over the massive Soviet-era arms depot.”
“Any ideas on whether or not Transnistria can repel some 40,000 Ukrainian troops?”
Transnistria wouldn’t need to. There just need to be enough defenders to blow up the arms depot – or make it inaccessible.
The Russian army is bombing West Ukraine. Do you actually think it isn’t capable of bombing the Ukrainian army at the border to / in Transnistria ?
As targets go, the Transnistrian arms depot is a lot less attractive for Ukraine as the Zaporoshe NPP.

Posted by: Martina | Jun 3 2023 23:03 utc | 112

I hadn’t previously thought to check out the comments at this 1945 article that b posted the other day.
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/05/sad-reality-the-ukraine-war-is-now-going-russias-way/
So much copium. Good for a laugh.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 3 2023 23:04 utc | 113

Posted by: fanto | Jun 3 2023 19:29 utc | 34
It’s not nice to answer a question with a other question, but anyway.
If now the USX offered Turkey 5 Patriots and 10 billion for the Turk S400 ( in exchange ),
What would we have thought last year about this deal?
What do we think about this business now?
Time is cruel (a bitch) but it gives better answers
And the Russian have this time – and wait the F16, F22, F35, Leo’s, …
Till now we have answers about Bayrals, Himars, M777, Patriots, Shadows ….

Posted by: theo | Jun 3 2023 23:05 utc | 114

…from Politico, China nails it and gets spanked by a European idiot . . .
‘Very, very false’: Dutch minister quashes Beijing view on Ukraine at top security forum
Dutch defense chief pushes back at Chinese argument that Russia’s war on Ukraine is due to a failed security architecture in Europe.

SINGAPORE — China put European patience to the test on Saturday, with a seasoned Chinese diplomat attributing Russia’s war on Ukraine to a failed security architecture in Europe.
It fell to Dutch Defense Minister Kajsa Ollongren to challenge that very Chinese interpretation.
“I was actually a little bit surprised to hear it,” Ollongren told POLITICO in an interview moments after she made an impromptu rebuttal of ex-ambassador Cui Tiankai on a panel at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore. “It’s very, very false.” . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 3 2023 23:05 utc | 115

Blissex | Jun 3 2023 20:43 utc | 71–
As usual, you’re full of shit. Neoliberals don’t support people; they harvest their earnings and otherwise don’t give a damn as supporting them takes away from the booty they reap.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 3 2023 23:06 utc | 116

I read Caitlin Johnstone today. As usual lots of bitching but she won’t suggest what to do. It’s a big tell. Never the less, her assessments are valid. Her closing line is so true, that the American Empire is fed with human blood. Case in point Ukraine. It’s the same every where NATO goes and for everything NATO touches.
The USA should get out of the war business because we suck at it. We killed millions, displaced tens of millions and lose every time. Who have we copied since 1945? Who did we learn from since 1945? What has our nation become? The answer is one word, NAZI!

Posted by: Longtrail | Jun 3 2023 23:08 utc | 117

We are a Nazi Anglo-Zionist Empire of Lies and Hate and the wrath of our Creator is coming down!

Posted by: Longtrail | Jun 3 2023 23:09 utc | 118

When the SMO began Putin said that its purpose was to destroy their military and kill the Nazis.
So far his go slow strategy has gone pretty well. The long-gone military has been replaced by NATO junk and the Nazis, at least early on, have been throwing themselves in front of cannon.
I suspect that as time goes on Putin will pick up the pace at the appropriate time.

Posted by: Bob In Portland, Ore | Jun 3 2023 23:10 utc | 119

We’ve become a murderous Sodom and Gomorrah. More reason to expect the wrath about to befall this nation, its Zionist Boss and its vassals.

Posted by: Longtrail | Jun 3 2023 23:12 utc | 120

Posted by: Longtrail | Jun 3 2023 23:12 utc | 121
Thanks, we heard you the first time.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 3 2023 23:13 utc | 121

Posted by: [the real?] karlof1 | Jun 3 2023 23:06 utc | 117
The real karlof1 doesn’t tend to be that rude. I don’t think Blissex was touting neoliberals, but rather criticizing them @ #71.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 3 2023 23:16 utc | 122

Posted by: fanto | Jun 3 2023 19:29 utc | 34
RAND call it, the Russian learn fight with us
(the are maybe not so happy about this)
I think, the russian do not learn so mutch,
the show as more is possible – and than the stop to show more

Posted by: theo | Jun 3 2023 23:20 utc | 123

Posted by: ostro | Jun 3 2023 21:14 utc | 84
Britain manipulated the entire WW1 through massive media and political manipulation, they are doing same today.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 3 2023 21:29 utc | 91
Probably the British, are at fault.. The Brits have long imposed their global colonial intentions on the USA:re: WWI and WWII. British intentions were shaped by top level globally powerful City of London greed via global corporate armies and private use of mind control technology distributed via public media. some one posted this link a few days back.
https://stopworldcontrol.com/downloads/GrandJurySummary1.pdf

Posted by: snake | Jun 3 2023 23:20 utc | 124

Posted by: Martina | Jun 3 2023 23:03 utc | 113
If the statement below is correct, I guess she doesn’t see it as treason.
“If it is necessary for the Ukrainian army, we are ready to give the right to enter our territory in order to deal with warehouses, weapons and personnel. This is a gesture of solidarity,” she said.

Posted by: Tim2 | Jun 3 2023 23:22 utc | 125

Ultimately it’s the same kind of grift that made the F 35: the purpose is not to make a product that works, but one that needs constant further and lucrative investment because “too much has been spent already to back out now”.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 3 2023 23:25 utc | 126

Longtrail @118:
Caitlin’s value is in pointing out hypocrisy. She rarely has useful suggestions because she’s an ordinary person, not one with any special qualifications or any position of power.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 3 2023 23:28 utc | 127

@ dh | Jun 3 2023 20:59 utc | 78
I think RF had just enough force around Kiev to walk in and occupy main governmental buildings and sites. But without the fighting, they thought.
Idea was “Boo! We are here, give up.”
It kinda worked, but only to the outskirts. Fighting started the second day, but got up slowly.
Famed 40 miles column was rather deadly and could unfurl, but it didn’t. It was just idling there.
I understand that RF withdrew as a sign of a good will to sign the treaty in Istanbul.
Then BoJo and the gang came to play there and momentum of a pressure was lost.
RF used the time of a presence near Kiev to liberate more or less everything they hold now, down South and East. RF did that very quickly and with few casualties except the Mariupol siege.
It was a high risk, turned improvisation action, turned a limited, but strategically great, success. Did they hoped to take Kiev without much fighting? Sure thing.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 3 2023 23:28 utc | 128

Bob in Portland @120
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/29/two-weeks-at-the-front-in-ukraine
Even this propaganda piece admitted the fact that the Ukranazi military that existed at the start of the war is extinct and is now conscripting any poor working class male it can get its hands on.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 3 2023 23:31 utc | 129

Hummm!
Did Elvis Presley ever see a real battle? There were many more just like him. The Vietnam war was one big lottery for the rich and famous in the US. Geroge Bush flew antique aircraft for the Texas National Guard and still didn’t show up half the time. America loves this shit; they made him president of the US. This is history and I would love to be a student in 100 years if this were the subject of the class that day.
MY biggest concern is why are these two pro-Ukraine Douch bags, Erik Kramer and Paul Schneide, two former U.S. special operations soldiers who have been training neo-Nazis for over a year now spilling the beans just as Anthony Blinken Says the “Russian Military is the 2nd Strongest in Ukraine” (02 Jun 2023). Posted by Military.com U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken in a speech in Helsinki.
What are we to make of these contradicting statements? Blinken could be announcing that the US has already entered the war secretly and will soon be an openly full-fledged dedicated military force in Ukraine. Nothing else makes sense. Erik Kramer and Paul Schneide may just be explaining why a US intervention is necessary.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 3 2023 23:37 utc | 130

my comment @34
has generated a lot of discussion and I appreciate all thoughts of people smarter than me. One comment stucks in my mind – by Tim2 @49 – that unexpected things may happen.
A war is like surgery, one always knows when it starts but never knows when it will end. The aim of the surgeon is to get is done as fast as possible, (for many reasons I will not go into now). So, many things can go wrong, and no surgeon would dream of dragging out the case because there are some ulterior motives (like financial gain for hours spent…).
I realize, not all comparisons are applicable, but this one is IMHO quite a propos.

Posted by: fanto | Jun 3 2023 23:42 utc | 131

simplicius latest..
SITREP 6/3/23: West Stymied by Strong Russian Economic Showing
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@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 3 2023 23:16 utc | 123
i thought the same…

Posted by: james | Jun 3 2023 23:46 utc | 132

@ Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 3 2023 23:25 utc | 126
Ultimately it’s the same kind of grift that made the F 35: the purpose is not to make a product that works, but one that needs constant further and lucrative investment because “too much has been spent already to back out now”.
Yes – “War is a Racket” – Smedley Butler

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 3 2023 23:48 utc | 133

So far Ukraine has been running the war for the sake of appearance. Taking Transnistria would violate that a lot. The usual: big guy bully pushing around the Russian ethnic minority in the region. It would also give Russia the opportunity to go all out ferocious in the taking of Odessa. Hey, it would be a rescue mission. And by the way, it would be extraordinarily incompetent for the Russians to let the ammo stocks fall into enemy hands. Not likely to happen.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 3 2023 23:53 utc | 134

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 3 2023 20:57 utc | 77
Nice connecting the dots. You win the thread.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 3 2023 23:56 utc | 135

Ultimately it’s the same kind of grift that made the F 35: the purpose is not to make a product that works, but one that needs constant further and lucrative investment because “too much has been spent already to back out now”.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 3 2023 23:25 utc | 126
Every fancy feature no matter what it costs, justified by bragging points, not actual utility in the field of battle.
How much a fighter plane costs can be calculated by the cost per pound, which is relatively constant, multiplied by the weight of the thing. They tend to get heavier over time, until they get too big and heavy and it becomes time to start all over with the new and smaller one. I am guessing the F-35 is probably the last in the bigger and heavier line. I suspect that if we introduce it into the Ukraine combat, the outcome would probably be the need to send along escorts so that its big, heavy, and expensive self didn’t get taken down.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 4 2023 0:03 utc | 136

@ Longhorn | Jun 3 2023 23:33 utc | 130
I think they improvised a bit there. A attempted siege turned to be a faint was a plan B, as soon as it was understood that it was not to be a cakewalk to Zhitomirska street without a lot of destruction around.
Kiev was to stay and be untouched, RF would never attempt to “Bakhmutise” it.
It was also a reveling to some within the RF ranks and the wide world that they are confronting the whole wild West, not just some brotherly Ukraine.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 4 2023 0:05 utc | 137

@james 133
About the quote he includes about 3000 tanks being taken out of storage:
On Telegram I saw photos of some of those tanks: T80UDs on train flatbeds. They’re rusting and badly deteriorated and totally unfit for combat. And they’re not going into combat or any other deployment: they are going to the factory for rebuilding and refurbishment. Those tanks at least are months away from being used anywhere for anything at all.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 4 2023 0:15 utc | 138

IMO, the pertinent question is: At what point does Russia change its strategy–where’s the tipping-point? Many of us can guess what that might be, but none of us knows. Meanwhile, the slow push Westward along the FEBA continues. The effort to eliminate the remnants of Ukie AD I see as preparation for the next move that would involve more CAS beyond a more fluidly moving FEBA, while also shaping the ground for air-to-air combat when F-16s arrive.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 3 2023 20:30 utc | 63
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This point has not been discussed on this thread.
The slow push continues, while the Russians have escalated their destruction of enemy forces in the rear.
The border protection against terrorist attacks diverts some resources but should not impede main objectives, some of which are to protect the route Crimea and Zaporozhe. Transnistria might be on the list as well.
Getting to Odessa would seem to be the next strategic objective in the overall scheme of things in terms of occupying ground and keeping it. I am discounting improvements in Ukie improvements in CAS and F-16s. They are a non starter for now.
Any of the more military insightful minds have any idea of the intermediate steps to get there or elsewhere?

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 4 2023 0:21 utc | 139

whirlX | Jun 3 2023 23:28 utc | 128
Thanks. That all makes sense. Hard to tell what Russia was hoping for in those early SMO days. They certainly weren’t looking to destroy Kiev. Pulling out of Kiev was a friendly gesture but of course it was seen by the West as weakness.

Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2023 0:22 utc | 140

How can I best respond to those who claim the Donbas ‘rebellion’, ‘cecession’, federation with Russia was all simply because of Russian manipulation after the style they mean, I suppose, of that which the CIA has employed in Kiev?
Rather than a true expression of the will of the people.
Any links or blocks of text… anything. I’m a bit tired of repeatedly writing everything out the way I see it and I must admit my writings are lacking in authoritative references and I am no authority myself.
Can anyone help?

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 4 2023 0:23 utc | 141

my comment @34 has generated a lot of discussion and I appreciate all thoughts of people smarter than me. One comment stucks in my mind – by Tim2 @49 – that unexpected things may happen.
Posted by: fanto | Jun 3 2023 23:42 utc | 132
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Congratulations fanto, you rubbed two pieces of dried wood together and created smoke on MoA. Now let’s apply your system to the news that about Mr. Blinken’s comment at Helsinki that is for the most part “out of the blue,” and has LIMITED meaning.
Just think about it for a moment, Zelensky announced that he can’t wait for months for to commit to a counter offensive, it must happen, and it must happen soon: Then he cries like a baby because he doesn’t have 50 Patriot missiles, and the list just goes on from there: he needs tanks, ammo long range missiles, and fuck all. Who the fuck do you think Zelensky is talking to, Santa Clause?
This is where it really gets good, so get your dry sticks ready, fanto. Zelensky is “concerned” that Biden might lose the presidency: So, if in other words, if Zelensky (the AFU) come out with all guns blazing like Rambo only to be defeated because Biden did have the guts to enter the war and save the Ukrainian Nazis that Biden has been talking so much bullshit to the American people and the western world for so long about, he is fucked in 2024.
Okay fanto, now let’s rub those sticks together and let’s make some smoke on Moa.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 4 2023 0:30 utc | 142

So many powerful and elegant statements here, it gives me some hope in humanity. If there was ever a “mocking” reason to believe that White people are not racist on “paper” it’s the moral depravity of this conflict.
As an African American from Iowa, I don’t think we can be egged on to “defeat Texas” or even perhaps the “Twin-Cities” if you know what I mean. It takes a level of depravity to know that an negative outcome is certain, but you egg it on.
One of the more moving commentators said : “As to north America- a terrible fate awaits it. God is not mocked.” That is my greatest fear as well. My barber recounted a story of a gunfight the day before between a brother and sister resulting in the brother (retired military) fatally shooting his sister, who according to witnesses, initiated the gunfire
I said to him that imo there is unparalleled institutional failure across the board—worship places, the academy at the university, vocational, secondary, and primary levels, our political, intellectual, scientific voices and truth-seekers and so on.. the media and what we use to call the “intelligentsia” that celebrated a Buckley/Baldwin debate not censorship.
But all of these failures are a result of and combined and spiral down-word because of the increasing spiritual deficit. If we don’t address the spiritual issue we’ll struggle to do better as a species. Ethics are part of the spiritual dimension, so that includes non-believers, it’s as simple as treating people with respect and dignity that you want without being coerced into agreeing with him, in fact learning something from another point of view that may even strengthen your beliefs.
Why are we not looking into the causes of addiction and suicide in working class whites? As an Iowan that concerns me and my families who will live and die there. A sad reminder but powerful, clarifying reality is that more powerful than racism is serf-ism.
Max Blumenthal at the Grayzone was on the Hill with Brianna and Robby talking about Ukraine as a real-world testing lab. It’s not inappropriate to understand there are dystopian and trans-human forces at play and they are not even hidden or conspiracy-based. They are up front, in your face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNz2vSNDFEg
If the link breaks its:
Max Blumenthal On Rising: USAID Director Says QUIET PART OUT LOUD Re: Ukraine Funding

Posted by: Malik | Jun 4 2023 0:35 utc | 143

Pity the poor Ukrainians, forced to the front like the Soviets often were in WWII. It wasn’t the bullets coming from the front but from the back.
The USSA has now gotten themselves into Afghanistan II. They might not leave this year, maybe not next year, but they will leave.
Leaving Europe a confused mess, energy poor, divided and chaotic.
Hopefully for the Americans, they might be able to cloak their retreat and get back to American LaLa Land on some of that vaunted wonder-weapon Stealth troop carriers.
Posted by: kupkee | Jun 3 2023 18:36 utc | 22
I would hope/expect that Europe, driven by an upswelling awarenss amongst the population, would turn its back on the evil empire and come to an accommodation with Russia and they’ll all live happily ever after… No?

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 4 2023 0:40 utc | 144

@dh 141

“Pulling out of Kiev was a friendly gesture but of course it was predictably seen by the West as weakness.”

To the NATOstanis any concession at all, no matter how tiny, is seen as a weakness. This is so well known that I have no idea how Russia has been blind enough to repeatedly (Libya, Minsk 2, the grain deal, and this) allowed such concessions at all.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 4 2023 0:41 utc | 145

Can anyone help?
Posted by: abrogard | Jun 4 2023 0:23 utc | 142
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Yes, Watch fanto rub hit dry sticks together after #143. Smoke and fire will be everywhere. Biden needs his fucking war and soon. He has told Zelensky he has less the four mounts to do it, and Zelensky has told him Biden if you can’t give us f-16s or f-35s then we need 50 Patriot missiles defense systems (and a lot more shit). Blinken has all but announced that the US will deal with it themselves. Does that bore the fuck out you abrogard?

Posted by: Ed | Jun 4 2023 0:43 utc | 146

@Malik 144

“My barber recounted a story of a gunfight the day before between a brother and sister resulting in the brother (retired military) fatally shooting his sister…”

Terrible.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 4 2023 0:43 utc | 147

Another interesting coverage of the appalling state of UKrainian forces here as well: https://consortiumnews.com/2023/06/01/patrick-lawrence-the-war-were-finally-allowed-to-see/

Posted by: George | Jun 4 2023 0:52 utc | 148

If anyone was in any doubt about who is holding up any peace negotiations, Blinken dispels all speculation.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kyiv-defenses-thwart-russias-6th-air-assault-6-99782925
Yes, America’s position is that there can be no ceasefire or negotiations for some kind of settlement ‘until Kyiv gains strength and can negotiate on its own terms’. In other words, Kiev cannot discuss how to stop the war until it is winning and does not need the war to be stopped. Anyone see that happening any time soon?

Posted by: Mark | Jun 4 2023 0:54 utc | 149

@ abrogard | Jun 4 2023 0:40 utc | 145
I would hope/expect that Europe, driven by an upswelling awarenss amongst the population, would turn its back on the evil empire and come to an accommodation with Russia and they’ll all live happily ever after… No?
Not happening.
At least until Germans or French revolt so hard that it swells to a furious and vicious movement where governments fall and bastards are brought to the courts, if not lined up against the wall.
I could imagine some larger peace protest summer activities, but I suspect that USA will not allow much of it escaping EU’s police suppression through repression.
France looked good for a moment, but as it seems French rioted for all the wrong selfish reasons, thus failed miserably there.
Germans do show some potential there, but I can imagine that only East Germany might be rising, while the West is hopeless.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 4 2023 1:01 utc | 150

Then he cries like a baby because he doesn’t have 50 Patriot missiles…
Ed | Jun 4 2023 0:30 utc | 143
The thing about Zelensky is that the only time he appears anywhere is when he wants something. Sensible enough I guess, he is the regime’s official beggar. But it gets old after a while, and people are tiring of him.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 4 2023 1:06 utc | 151

Getting to Odessa would seem to be the next strategic objective…
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 4 2023 0:21 utc | 140
The thing about Odessa is that it is across a big river that can be flooded. For that reason I anticipate they won’t go for it until they have more territory in the north. Otherwise I would surely think they want to own it.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 4 2023 1:10 utc | 152

I consider the biggest single propaganda coup in all history is exemplified in this, take from jayc’s post (#45)
“The United States – together with our allies and partners – is firmly committed to supporting Ukraine’s defense today, tomorrow, for as long as it takes…we believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression… ”
Why? Because ‘Ukraine’ is not under attack. ‘Ukraine’ as they mean it – or should mean it – is attacking itself. It is a Civil War.
Put aside the secession. They don’t recognise it anyway.
Now if we look at it from a human standpoint rather than this crap ‘legal schmegle’ stuff, ‘Ukraine’ is a collection of people and not some artificial politico/legal construct. So that (arguably ) 35 million people still exist and ‘are’ ‘Ukraine’ and THAT Ukraine can be said to be ‘under attack’.
But what attack and by whom? The attack that promotes hate and incites brother to attack brother and all incited by lunatic Western govts notably the evil USA.
That’s clearly entirely NOT what they mean when they say ‘defend Ukraine’ and the sad fact is that most of the western world entirely believes THEIR narrative, their propaganda, that ‘Ukraine’ IS ‘under attack’ and they are helping defend it.
Where in fact those Ukrainian people, THAT ‘nation’ is best helped by bringing peace to it and stopping the deaths and destruction.
So that’s a great and breathtaking propaganda coup to my mind: to systematically destroy a country and murder its citizen under the guise of defending it – and gain the support of numerous other countries to the extent where they themselves begin to commit hari kari ‘in support’ !
This is lunacy writ beyond large. And just as with covid our intellectuals and ‘leaders’ in all fields are noticeable by their absence. As what they are supposed to be for us: guides, mentors, educators, they simply don’t exist.

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 4 2023 1:16 utc | 153

Yes, America’s position is that there can be no ceasefire or negotiations for some kind of settlement ‘until Kyiv gains strength and can negotiate on its own terms’. In other words, Kiev cannot discuss how to stop the war until it is winning and does not need the war to be stopped. Anyone see that happening any time soon?
Posted by: Mark | Jun 4 2023 0:54 utc | 150
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No, the Us (the Biden Administration) doesn’t give a crap about people of Ukrainian, Zelensky. US corporations are lined up to take possession of all the valuable land, resources, and industries of Ukraine. But first they have to get the Russian, and pro-Russian folks. out of Southeastern ASAP.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 4 2023 1:18 utc | 154

Slavyangrad Telegram Channel Reports USA buying TNT from Japan due to insufficient stocks…
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/48807
US to import TNT from Japan to produce shells for Ukraine — Reuters
🔹 It is reported that the US has found a way to buy trinitrotoluene from Japan without violating the Japanese law prohibiting the supply of military products to third countries.
For dual-use items, the ban is not as strict, so Japan will supply the US with “industrial” TNT for use as ammunition filler.
“>https://t.me/OstashkoNews/75112

Exactly how is NATO going to fight Russia and China???
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 4 2023 1:21 utc | 155

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 4 2023 1:06 utc | 153
Zelensky still thinks the cavalry is coming. He won’t be satisfied with anything less than total US/NATO commitment. He also needs someone to blame if the counteroffensive doesn’t happen or if it’s a disaster.

Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2023 1:25 utc | 156

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 3 2023 20:57 utc | 77
Thank you. I’m only working through the first link as yet.
http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-saker-interviews-dmitry-orlov/
At first I thought the text beneath if was IT – as we sometimes see. People post the link as proof of where they got it but reproduce the whole thing to save us the trouble of going there.
But no, the link is a whole great big interview with this Dmitry Orlov person who turns out to have much to say of very great interest. I am very glad to have it. Thanks for putting it up.
I hope the other two links are as good but if not I’ve still got good value. 🙂

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 4 2023 1:29 utc | 157

103.
Are they in range of Russian aerospace forces? If so, Russia can defend Transnistria against the broken remnants of NATOs Third Ukrainian Army quite effectively. Failing that, they can just blow it up, once the maximum number of enemy assets are in the blast radius. There are also the mentioned political considerations. Sandhu is not popular and the population is not hostile to Russia.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 4 2023 1:33 utc | 158

“This is so well known that I have no idea how Russia has been blind enough to repeatedly (Libya, Minsk 2, the grain deal, and this) allowed such concessions at all.”
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 4 2023 0:41 utc | 146
You know how it works. You can’t win against Western media. Attacks are ‘brutal aggression’. Withdrawals are ‘humiliating defeats’.

Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2023 1:41 utc | 159

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 4 2023 1:16 utc | 155
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abrogard , you give the Ukrainian’s too much credit. The good ones are gone into exile, dead, or fighting the Northwestern Nazis. Your soppy bull shit about a civil war is bull shit. This is not a civil war is a US proxy war and the sides have already lined up. This war is part of a 20 year to place NATO and NATO nuclear weapons on Russia border. The next intelligent question can only ne one thing: WHY? Why must NATO and the US have NATO nuclear weapons 3 minutes from Moscow or St. Peterburg.
If you are too stupid, intelligently stunted, or mentally impaired, not only to understand the fucking question : WHY? But instead of wanting to babble on about a civil war, then you are hopeless. This is a proxy war, not a civil war. Go back to Feb. 2014. What the fuck happened? Was that a civil war or a coup d’état?

Posted by: Ed | Jun 4 2023 1:44 utc | 160

Longtrail # 23:09 utc | 119

We are a Nazi Anglo-Zionist Empire of Lies and Hate and the wrath of our Creator is coming down!

Agreed with the opening part of that but the closing element seems more hesitant than a Russian bear. Just show me one big red arrow from that wrathful quarter in the past century.
As I see it, the deity is now patient enough for the NAZ Empire to set up shop again in the old Golden Triangle on the side of the Karen team in Myanmar border with China etc. Not a good look for the compassionate One.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 4 2023 1:44 utc | 161

Zelensky still thinks the cavalry is coming.
Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2023 1:25 utc | 158
Whatever is going on with him, he is starting to look stressed out. In one recent public appearance he appeared to be having some kind of serious drug withdrawal. My guess is that he has figured out that he is being screwed over. And he is spending a lot of time outside of Ukraine, like perhaps he thinks somebody wants to assassinate him, Russia or otherwise.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 4 2023 1:46 utc | 162

Some videos for today.
Russian airborne troops destroy bridge behind enemy lines:
https://rutube.ru/video/adbfdec102485b3df20a42efb3a9f86f/
Russian airborne troops open fire on enemy forest stronghold:
https://rutube.ru/video/14f9cf07fe4f9f2dbc79bc287e60f9b6/
Russian Su-35 fighter destroys Kiev regime military targets:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/SU0206:b
Banderites got crushed attempting to invade Belgorod oblast (18+ footage):
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/video_2023-06-03_10-22-26:9
Russian Lancet drone struck Banderite vehicle near the border:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/video_2023-06-03_10-24-16:2

Posted by: Nate | Jun 4 2023 1:48 utc | 163

“I was actually a little bit surprised to hear it,” Ollongren told POLITICO in an interview moments after she made an impromptu rebuttal of ex-ambassador Cui Tiankai on a panel at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore. “It’s very, very false.” . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 3 2023 23:05 utc | 116
So they are spending money by the billion, have boatloads of refugees, a war on their doorstep, a uranium cloud drifting their way – and I can go on – but: no it is a great security architecture, stop saying that.
The chinese are so polite, I really like that.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 4 2023 2:06 utc | 164

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 4 2023 1:46 utc | 164 “Whatever is going on with him, he is starting to look stressed out.”
And even a big hug from Sunak didn’t help. I think Z is pinning all his hopes on Vilnius now.

Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2023 2:08 utc | 165

and could hinder the success of the ongoing offensive. What ongoing offensive?
Aw, c’mon, b. The on going offensive! The one where small groups of Ukie terrorists creep into Russia and terrorize the civilian population who can’t defend themselves. They aren’t strong enough or brave enough to engage the Russian army anymore. I’m waiting for the Russians to put audio sensors out to detect the Ukie terrorists when they cross the border which will alert the waiting military units who will listen to the audio to find out if they have armor or not. Take the appropriate weaponry out and wipe the Ukies out – every last one. Put ’em all in bodybags, take them to the Ukie border and leave them for the Ukies to find in the morning. Get a couple three of missions to terrorize the civilians and nobody comes back alive and the Ukie army will sit up and take notice. That will really help with the denazification.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Jun 4 2023 2:08 utc | 166

I think some posters here have a far higher estimation of the capabilities of Russian forces than their General Staff do. Russia is pursuing a sensible strategy that plays to her strengths and shields her weaknesses; meaning the next phase of the SMO will only occur when they are convinced that a change in operational tempo and force levels will not threaten this equilibrium.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 4 2023 2:17 utc | 167

Ed @ 143
It is a jeering, is it not? The ‘dry sticks and fire’ I mean. But think for a second, you claim that Zelensky is “concerned that Biden might lose the presidency”. Maybe you should take the two sticks of wood and start a fire by implying that Zelensky would lose support from a Republican president? Are you not aware that R’s are in complete agreement with D’s on matter of “Russia delenda es” ? Enough said.

Posted by: fanto | Jun 4 2023 2:18 utc | 168

#170
>>you claim that is “concerned that Biden might lose the presidency”
And it is two and half years in the future. His problems are more immediate.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 4 2023 2:26 utc | 169

Dr. George W Oprisko # 1:21 utc | 157

Exactly how is NATO going to fight Russia and China???

Plus: where does Japan source its feedstock in manufacturing TNT?
What are the GPS CNSS coordinates for the factories?
Which ports are the shipping points?
Go for it Japan and demonstrate as clearly as possible how much of a global menace you can be.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 4 2023 2:28 utc | 170

“Why is Russia this or that…?” – Troll, engage at your own peril. (Public health and safety warning)
I saw unsubstantiated claims that reported an Italian F35 on patrol on May 9th in Baltic region was intercepted by a SU30SM which continually blinded the F35’s sensors.
Orban has congratulated Erdogan’s victory as an important event, possibly signaling a widening crack within NATO. He has mention EU/NATO continued pressure to turn off Russia energy supply.
Will Hungary and Turkey create a joint force with Russia to protect the Turk Stream pipelines from rogue ‘yachties”?
Will Hungary take it one step further securing its energy security by placing military jurisdiction over the Druzhba pipelines within the soon to be 404 entity or in conjunction with Serbia and Belarus/Russia?
Will 404 run out of men, material or will there be a collapse in military discipline (yes, I’m being facetious) and a general revolt first?
Will Russia’s report of the security risk deliberately created by Apple on its iPhone series lead Global South (RoW) to embrace Huawei?
Ah, the US SOF! Training failed South American and African despots since the end of WW II and basking in the glory of outstanding achievements like the South Vietnamese Army, Iraqi Army (prior to Iranian/Hezbollah/Russian intervention) and the mighty Afghanistan Army. Say no more!

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 4 2023 2:29 utc | 171

If you are too stupid, intelligently stunted, or mentally impaired, not only to understand the fucking question : WHY? But instead of wanting to babble on about a civil war, then you are hopeless. This is a proxy war, not a civil war. Go back to Feb. 2014. What the fuck happened? Was that a civil war or a coup d’état?
Posted by: Ed | Jun 4 2023 1:44 utc | 162
what i need to do is discipline myself to get that blacklist of ‘never to be responded to’ permanently up front and centre on my desktop.
Too often I put people on it and then I lose the bloody thing.
Or I put people on it and then don’t consult.
I’d imagine you’ve been on it for a long time but I’m damned if i can find it now. However your apoplectic, irrational, irrelevant and abusive ad hominem tirade has served the excellent purpose of motivating me once and for all to get the goddamn list where it should be: front and centre, and for me to consult it before any response to any even halfway crudely abominable posts much less those such as yours.
And your moniker can head the list. There you are. You’ve achieved some international notoriety. Happy?
But you haven’t achieved all that you might be wishing for. I do not hate you. No. You have made no lasting impression that will blight my life or consciousness, marr my being. One doesn’t hate piles of dog manure, one simply avoids them and forgets them as swiftly as possible.
Which I have just done.

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 4 2023 2:33 utc | 172

Scott Ritter mentioned Russian satellites. I think they launched some recon sats back in March. The critical question is, can they ‘see’ the whole line of contact? If so, they might be able to spot every Ukr. tank or armored vehicle. No surprise, no nothing. No wonder Zelensky is scared.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 4 2023 2:41 utc | 173

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 4 2023 2:28 utc | 172
Japan: “Sanction evil Putin”
Russia: “Non friendly countries to be kicked out of stategic economic projects”.
Japan: ” Hey Buddy, can we sign onto Sakhalin-2, please, pretty please with sugar and honey on top? Grovel, grovel..”

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 4 2023 2:41 utc | 174

gottlieb | Jun 3 2023 18:24 utc | 17
*** The Blackrock folks want to settle while the smug-mongers want to twist the world into a nuclear black-mailed knot.
If not for the ‘crazies in the basement’ peace would be at hand.***
“Blackrock folks” really *are* the crazies who want to loot not only Russia but everywhere else as well. Ultimately, that’s the only “settlement” in which they are interested.
They’re wherever they choose to be in the building, since they own the damn thing.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 4 2023 2:48 utc | 175

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 3 2023 20:43 utc | 71
There are tons of issues regarding how many children to have. In each income group, country, religion, and personal decisions come into play. But the overall chart shows that a woman’s education is a clear factor. Higher education can lead to delayed marriage, more power and respect for women, and less tendency to get married at all.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/womens-educational-attainment

Posted by: HelenB | Jun 4 2023 2:50 utc | 176

The long and short of why Russia is not taking huge swathes of territory is 1. western ISR simultaneously connected to Ukrainian fires, and number 2 is mines, infinite numbers of artillery launched mines , and if you painstakingly clear a path over several days they can shoot a few more mine shells and cover the area again

Posted by: cresty | Jun 4 2023 2:52 utc | 177

Hey Tom,
You post great stuff. But this time I have to disagree with you. I am American. I oppose this American involvement in Ukraine. My father taught me that no war is necessary.
Many, many, many Americans feel this way. Polls have shown that an American majority feels the US should not be doing this operation in Ukraine.
It is just that mainstream media doesn’t say it. There is other media out there.

Posted by: HelenB | Jun 4 2023 2:56 utc | 178

Indeed, the obvious question is where has NATO or the US proved the superiority of its military structure, systems and weapons? Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq? Where have they ever had a decisive victory even against a 3rd world opponent? Nowhere that I can see, as such how are they training Ukraine going to improve anything? In fact currently NATO trained Ukraine is joining the list of failed military operations. Perhaps NATO need to be looking at themselves and rethinking where they went wrong. And my suspicion is that that an all LGBT force may not be solution.

Posted by: Organic | Jun 4 2023 2:57 utc | 179

” Since 2015 the Ukranian army gas been built up and trained by US and British forces ”
This is 100 % true , but it fails to fully describe the complete society-wide Fascist indoctrination programme conducted by Soros in Ukraine. In order to understand that, we have to understand the mass chemical indoctrination of renditioned and tortured Muslims that immediately preceded the USUKIS – made war in Ukraine.
Here in the West, nobody can allow the taboo of Dr Mengeles human experiment to be admitted. Because to do so would be to admit to ourselves that we are closet Naxis, led by Nazis, with friends who are Nazis, only a tiny figleaf away from being fully fledged total gestapo Nazis in our “”” garden “””West, as happened under the Third Reich. It cannot happen here. But it is happening in the sophisticated, educated West
My comment yesterday was removed because it got too close to this awful and unacceptable truth namely that , licenced and funded by MI6 and the CIA , fully- fledged Fascist ideologies of Islamism , as seen in Mosul’s Islamic State, operate in Britain’s Muslim communities.
Just as in Mosul the Islamists took control of the individual’s universal right how to conduct their private lives, which is a fundamental cornerstone of Islam as well as most other faiths . Yesterday the Islamists paid my next door neighbour who are already paid to spy on me with hidden cameras, to knock on the wall three times, because their Nazi managers thought me eating breakfast would make me late for my morning prayers.
My point is that the military training of Ukraine is accompanied by Fascist indoctrination, , as was the Islamic State psyops in Syria and Iraq. Islamic Stae was a trial rum for a Nazi society in Ukraine, and Ukraine is a trial run for the Nazification of the West.
It’s so taboo to say this, that I took a screenshot of what I wrote yesterday in anticipation of its deletion and I will takeca screenshot inshallah of this comment. I would urge All Westerners to see the snake and start to resist the Fascism that is planned for us.

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 4 2023 2:59 utc | 180

I try not to believe the hype but holy fucking shit the body language in that interview…
Would be funny if it wasn’t so stupid and sad.

Posted by: Rae | Jun 4 2023 3:12 utc | 181

The flip side of that coin is: Russia is not in any particular hurry to wrap things up and is conducting matters at a pace that meets operational, strategic and tactical objectives as it sees fit.
Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 3 2023 19:39 utc | 35
Privy to Russian Oplans out there in the UK are you Andy? The reality is that you don’t know shit and just worship dictators. GFY.

Posted by: Longhorn | Jun 4 2023 3:17 utc | 182

@ Organic | Jun 4 2023 2:57 utc | 182
Indeed, the obvious question is where has NATO or the US proved the superiority of its military structure, systems and weapons?
It doesn’t matter, they’re in it for the money. . .War is a Racket.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 4 2023 3:18 utc | 183

175. RF new head of Roscosmos spoke about daily launches in the near future. 22 last year. last few launches were military. even Irans latest launched military satellite was going to be borrowed for a bit before Iran had full usage

Posted by: hankster | Jun 4 2023 3:23 utc | 184

dh # 2:08 utc | 167

I think Z is pinning all his hopes on Vilnius now.

Methinks he is going to be thrown a lifeline from the creeps at Vilnius.
I have no evidence at all other than the past few centuries of hate Russia, hate Russia, hate Russia. The perfidious behaviour of the baltic nations vassals will not break form when all the NATO wankers form a circle and the UK trains them in the technique.
If that happens I suspect some enterprising ‘Ukraine’ force of Free Belarus will attack a village in Belarus and Lukashenko will have his casus beli to move to his next stage. There are likely plenty of twists and turns yet.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 4 2023 3:24 utc | 185

Longhorn # 3:17 utc | 185

RE your reply to West of England Andy | Jun 3 2023 19:39 utc | 35
Privy to Russian Oplans out there in the UK are you Andy? The reality is that you don’t know shit and just worship dictators. GFY.

Well he sure aint gonna worship that shorthorn you have wrapped in your fist 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 4 2023 3:30 utc | 186

Acco Hengst | Jun 4 2023 0:21 utc | 140–
Ukies have begged for Apache helos and been rejected every time! They have zero to counter Russian helos with at the FEBA or provide the same sort of CAS. One must ask why? And why was this huge shortfall allowed to occur? Knocking out Ukie AD makes helo penetration well beyond FEBA doable and enables airmobile ops.
Why is Zelensky going mad? Because he’s being set up to lose. That’s why his demands now seem to be outrageous; but are they really?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 4 2023 3:50 utc | 187

Too much ad hominem today in this thread. There are a few them, and not needed.
Please, can some of the barflies just resist temptation? Here is just one. I may enumerate when motivated.
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Privy to Russian Oplans out there in the UK are you Andy? The reality is that you don’t know shit and just worship dictators. GFY.
Posted by: Longhorn | Jun 4 2023 3:17 utc | 185

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 4 2023 3:54 utc | 188

Why is Zelensky going mad? Because he’s being set up to lose. That’s why his demands now seem to be outrageous; but are they really?
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 4 2023 3:50 utc | 190
If Zelensky is being treated unfairly it is his supporters who are doing it, not us. We are not in charge of him. Onto himself as an individual, he has no more right to military weapons than I do.
And as for fairness in general, there is not a lot of that going around in this war. And that is for both sides.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 4 2023 4:00 utc | 189

Acco Hengst | Jun 4 2023 0:21 utc | 140–
Ukies have begged for Apache helos and been rejected every time! They have zero to counter Russian helos with at the FEBA…
That I know of there is no general tendency to use helos against hilos. What Ukraine needs to counter Russian helos is air defense. And if we did give them some Apache helos, how long would they last against Russian air defense? I speculate they would never even get close to the front line without being taken down.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 4 2023 4:09 utc | 190

This report on Ukrainian military incompetence can basically be the cookie cutter template used to describe every puppet army ever backed by the US

Posted by: Handsome Man | Jun 4 2023 4:14 utc | 191

Comment from Simplicius blog
……full video of Joe Biden wandering around aimlessly before his fall at the USAF Academy the other day. It’s like it’s being suppressed by the MSM. Does anyone have a link to the whole thing? As background: What’s available from my searches is only the small section of the video where he falls on his face. But prior to that he spent a good 45 seconds wandering around like a zombie and being re-directed to the correct spot a couple of times.
I did see the extended version on a twitter feed. But retracing my click-thru steps, can’t re-find.
I’d like to see it again. He really was being nudged thru the obstacle course by a number of sheepdoggies.
Anyone see/ find it on telegram or twitter?
_ Him wandering is more concerning IMO than the fall. It does seem he tripped over a trip hazard… a sandbag. I’ve seen presenters trip over their own computer cords, they themselves carelessly left strewn all around.
Someone should be roasted for the obvious trip hazard. But Joe being lost and confused prior to being on stage, was way more concerning.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 4 2023 4:23 utc | 192

@ Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 4 2023 0:15 utc | 139
thanks for bringing greater clarity to that.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Jun 4 2023 4:40 utc | 193

@ Don Bacon 186
Maybe they’ve got enough money and they’re only doing war for the kicks. It hell is boring being rich.

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 4 2023 4:41 utc | 194

It doesn’t matter, they’re in it for the money. . .War is a Racket.
Don Bacon #186
True. e.g. Lockheed Martin Boosts Earnings Outlook Citing Billions Of Innocent People Still Left To Kill
BETHESDA, MD—Adjusting revenue expectations in light of resilient demand for massacring those who just want to live their lives, defense contractor Lockheed Martin boosted its earnings outlook in a conference call with investors Friday, citing billions of innocent people still left to kill. “Given that the total addressable market for our lethal killing devices is essentially every blameless man, woman, and child on Earth, we expect our net income to skyrocket in the coming months and years,” said CEO James Taiclet, explaining that Chinese and Indian markets alone accounted for nearly 3 billion guiltless individuals who were already primed to meet an untimely end. “Every day, we are penetrating emerging markets for the ruthless slaughter of innocent civilians in Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia, where we believe there is the greatest opportunity for new bloodshed. And with potential murder victims being born everyday, we don’t see any reason for a slowdown in demand anytime soon.” Taiclet concluded the call by adding that while the company faced increased competition from wartime famine and drought, he was still confident the company was still well positioned to capitalize on human suffering.
https://www.theonion.com/lockheed-martin-boosts-earnings-outlook-citing-billions-1850480348 h/t NC

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 4 2023 5:00 utc | 195

My above post-
Lost Joe and the subtle sheepdogs (doing their best)
Ok. From a reply just now at Simplicius
There’s several versions now circulating.
https://twitter.com/KarliBonnita/status/1664619728269193218
With annoying (attempted amusing) commentary
https://twitter.com/MagaMemeWizard/status/1664458588197212161
h/t to Simplicius blog and posters

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 4 2023 5:11 utc | 196

My gut feeling is that RF is in no rush to “finish” the job, for two main reasons:
(a) they need to methodically and thoroughly achieve all their strategic objectives; and
(b) they want to observe, study and gather data on the performance of the NATO-supplied weapons systems.
But I also get the impression that President Putin wants to make a few cold-sweat-inducing points militarily before the NATO summit in Vilnius on 11-12 July. Still five weeks to go…

Posted by: tawharanui | Jun 4 2023 5:41 utc | 197

@Mark 2 post 6
No we don’t want dead civilian Americans. I know why you say this , anger and frustration at US foreign policy.
But civvies are innocent it’s Washington you need to strike and best done by Americans themselves.
JB

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jun 4 2023 5:50 utc | 198

There are always fools in the “west” who thinks that Russia can be defeated. The thing is it is not the US Americans, the British and the other NATO countries people dying in the war, but the cat’s paw Ukrainians.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 4 2023 6:13 utc | 199

That was a well written, important and timely, piece. I hope you won’t mind a small quibble though, with this one bit I’ll quote below.

“Their intent is to get money for more training, thus the real picture may be less dark than they describe.”

That could be the reality of the matter, but imo another possibility could actually be the case. “Their intent is to get money for more training, thus the real picture may be more dark than they describe.”
Raising money for Ukraine isn’t like raising money for the Hospital named for St. Jude, the patron saint of lost causes, and it’s more like getting investors to throw good money after bad. During the Iraq War we saw New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman perpetually argue that America should “invest” six more months of all out effort so as to win the war, as things were starting to go America’s way. That continuous call for the investment of “six more months” finally got memorialized when that unit of time became known as “a Friedman Unit”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_Unit
My point being that you don’t get people to rally around a lost cause by saying it’s in desperate need of support, you say that with just a bit more aid, things can be turned around. The political and media classes of the West have been brainwashed into performing like they believe in the myth of Ukraine being destined to come out victorious, but their efforts to make that happen bring to mind a totally different piece of mythology, that of Sisyphus trying to perch his stone atop a steep hill in the realm of Hades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus#Punishment_in_the_underworld

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 4 2023 6:15 utc | 200