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June 23, 2023
The Ukrainian Counter-Offensive Had No Chance. NATO Failed To Explain That.

The 'west' pushed Ukraine into a hopeless counter-offensive based on false assessments and wild expectations.

Russian troops were claimed to be weak, untrained and unprepared for an Ukrainian attack. On the other side it was claimed that the freshly mobilized Ukrainian men which received 'western' weapons and training would have the necessary quantity and quality to overcome Russian defenses.

Ukrainian troops, as well as the public, were told to believe that bullshit.

Lord Bebo @MyLordBebo – 0:55 UTC · Jun 23, 2023

NATO training explained by an Ukrainian POW
-> Psychologists trained them to not be afraid and that Russia is exhausted and weak …
Embedded video From Maimunka News


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Any rational and neutral military assessment showed a far more realistic picture. One in which Russia would always defeat the planned counter-offensive.

At the end of 2022 the Ukrainian army had been exhausted and had been already been destroyed twice. The Russians had first destroyed large parts of the original equipment of the Ukrainian army and then the Soviet era equipment that was brought to Ukraine from former Warsaw Pact nations.

More importantly they had killed or wounded many of the experienced non-commissioned staff (Sergeants etc) and lower rank officers of the Ukrainian military that command and are the core of each company. The newly mobilized Ukrainian forces did not have the knowledge or training necessary to replace them.

'Western' equipment is more complex than Soviet era stuff.  It also requires more specialized maintenance. The Ukraine received a zoo. The many types of equipment and the many incompatible kinds of ammunition they use are a logistic nightmare.

'Western' training for the mobilized Ukrainian forces did not bring up more capable soldiers than Soviet training would have done. Those who watched NATO stumble in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya should have recognized that.

Russian on the other side mobilized 300,000 soldiers who mostly had been contract soldiers before they had returned to private life. They received extensive refresher training. They now mostly get paid more than in their civilian life which certainly helped to increase their motivation.

Russia also changed the structure of its military. The main Russian fighting force in 2022 was made up of Brigade Tactical Groups (BIG). Each of them was part of a garrison brigade which next to the one contract soldier BTG had additional battalions that were mostly training conscripts. Under Russian laws the conscript battalions could not be used on foreign ground.

The fighting BTG's had few real infantry soldiers. Next to their 9 infantry platoons they had 8 artillery and 5 auxiliary platoons. Of a total of some 800 plus soldiers in a BTG only 200 were actually infantry that could man the trenches. The whole structure was too big and too difficult to command.

After the mobilization had brought up enough men the Russian military changed from BTGs to a mobile brigade structure. Under a higher commander the brigade holds two or three battalions that each consist of three or four companies of mobile infantry or tanks. Most of the artillery and auxiliary troops of the former BTGs are now concentrated under the brigade structure and can be used more flexible wherever they are needed. The tooth to tail ratio in the frontline battalions is now much higher than in a BTG and the whole structure is easier to command.

Above the newly structured brigades are now division commands which have additional assets like air defenses, attack helicopters and electronic warfare units. They direct the brigades within a wider front and with a bigger picture in mind.

While a lack of contract infantry necessitated the BTG structure of 2022 the additionally mobilized forces allowed in 2023 to return to the more efficient classic structures of battalions under brigades under divisions. All this was visible through the reports from the Russian military which had stopped to mention BTGs and changed to brigade numbers. For an unbiased military mind it was easy to see that this new Russian force would be a more balanced and better one.

Satellite pictures had shown for months that the Russian troops were building extensive defense structures like trench lines and anti-tank barriers. They are by the way still adding to them.

In the spring of 2023 the Ukrainian army was much weaker than when the war started. The Russian military had grown and was stronger. It also had well prepared positions. 'Western' politicians, the propagandized public and military commands failed to recognize those facts.

NATO had simulated the Ukrainian counter-offensive:

Logic dictates that any responsible use of the KORA simulation system would have predicted the failure of the 47th Brigade’s attack. According to The Washington Post, the officers of the 47th Brigade “planned their assaults and then let the [KORA] program show them the results – how their Russian enemies might respond, where they could make a breakthrough and where they would suffer losses.” The KORA simulation allowed the Ukrainian officers to coordinate their actions “to test how they’d work together on the battlefield.”

Given that the Ukrainian force structure was insufficient to accomplish the mission-critical task of suppression, there was no chance for the Ukrainian forces to accomplish the actual assault requirements of a breaching operation – the destruction of enemy forces on the opposite side of the obstacle barrier being breached. The Ukrainians, however, came away from their KORA experience confident that they had crafted a winning plan capable of overcoming the Russian defenses in and around Orekhov.

When one examines the structure of a KORA-based simulation, it becomes clear that the system is completely dependent upon the various inputs which define the simulation as a whole.

They probably thought the Ukrainians could actually win. But when one uses wrong estimates for the fighting powers of each side as input of a simulation the output will always be garbage.

The real world results are now in. The Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed.


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The weekend edition of the German business daily headlines: "This isn't a counter-offensive. It is a bloody crash test."

It is now time to acknowledge that the 'western' military assessments and its expectations were completely wrong:

In its early phases, Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN.

The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of the officials said.

According to the Western assessments, Russian lines of defense have been proving well-fortified, making it difficult for Ukrainian forces to breach them. In addition, Russian forces have had success bogging down Ukrainian armor with missile attacks and mines and have been deploying air power more effectively.

Ukrainian forces are proving “vulnerable” to minefields and Russian forces “competent” in their defense, one of the Western officials said.

Even the neoconservative Institute for the Study of War was forced to eat some tiny bits of craw and to acknowledge the competence of the Russian forces:

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) responded to the Ukrainian attack with an uncharacteristic degree of coherency and praised Southern Military District elements for repelling the attack and regaining lost positions.

Anyone who thinks that coherency is uncharacteristic for the Russians should go back and read up on Operation Bagration which showed what a well prepared Russian military can actually do.

ISW also writes:

Russian forces appear to have executed their formal tactical defensive doctrine in response to the Ukrainian attacks …

Well, what did the ISW 'experts' expect? That the Russians would use their manuals as toilet paper and run away when the turkey shooting begins?

In their utter stupidity the neoconservatives probably really believed that.

The assessments made did not acknowledge the dubious quality of freshly stood up Ukrainian forces. They did not acknowledge the changes and growth in the military structures on the Russian side. They failed to recognize the quality of the Russian fortifications and military capabilities and the deep roots of their doctrine.

The results are the consequence of ignoring reality, of seeing what one wants to see.

The politics of this war demanded that the 'western' side wins. NATO military was biased towards that. Instead of telling the politicians what a realistic outcome would be it delivered hopeful assessments that defied reality.

In consequence the Ukrainian military suffered many unnecessary casualties and lost the initiative.

Let's hope that at least some folks will learn from this.

Comments

Prigozhin needs to capture a city so like beghazzi we can set up a central bank and loan wagner 200 billion
for the final push on st petersbourg and chabad moscowitch
mutiny should be seen as the birth pangs of democracy for russia the uk,israel,usa usa,france and germany,netherlands,finland and mighty poland need to release funds to support the freedom loving hopes of wagner group as it heads to moscow.
this is our are arr 1945 moment,hitler,gaddaffi saddam hussein new hitler all fall fell in infamy shirley this is the moment to strike the red hot poker while the iron is hot.
oded yinon
new khazaria will not fail
von der liar and the kagan soros frunts wills hit
forward

Posted by: charles drake | Jun 24 2023 9:29 utc | 701

The us is an adolescent nation born in the blood of others and that knows no other modus operandi than violence and chaos. The CIA might very well be behind this perfectly time turncoat operation, but surely they don’t want that sick mental moron Prighozin at the helm of a nuclear power. If they’re behind this, they might use his coup to justify nukes, claiming that the chaos they sparked is dangerous for the planet. So 1. Destabilize by turning the nutcase, 2. Create massive chaos and a civil war, 3. While the country is in shambles and distracted, strike with nukes. And this is how they think they’ll prevent a multipolar world. Hopefully they’ll fail miserably and Russian agents will infiltrate and neutralize the psycho.

Posted by: Melkiades | Jun 24 2023 9:40 utc | 702

People talk about Wagner “tanks” in Rostov.
As far as I know, Wagner doesn’t have tanks. Those are operated by the Russian regular army.
I just watched a video of allegedly Wagner tanks entering Rostov. There appears to be ONE tank (I can’t identify the model), and three wheeled armored cars. I’ve seen no pictures of more than ONE tank. The rest of the procession consists of personal cars and 4WDs.
if that’s all he’s got with his “25,000 fighters”, he’s in for a rough night. One BMPT Terminator can eliminate his whole “armor”. A couple regular Russian army guys with Kornets will eliminate everything. One attack helicopter and they’re done unless his guys have anti-air missiles.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 24 2023 9:53 utc | 703

Uh, oh! The Chechens are coming!
Chechen fighters left for zones of tension, Kadyrov said
Kadyrov: soldiers of the Russian Guard in the Chechen Republic left for the zones of tension

GROZNY, June 24 – RIA Novosti. The Chechen military and soldiers of the National Guard left for the zones of tension, he said in Telegram channel head of the republic Ramzan Kadyrov.
“Soldiers of the Ministry of Defense and the National Guard in the Chechen Republic have already left for the zones of tension. We will do everything to maintain unity Russia and protect its statehood!” he wrote.
The head of Chechnya stressed that the rebellion must be suppressed.
And if this requires tough measures, Chechen fighters are ready for them, he assured.
Kadyrov called what was happening “a knife in the back.” According to him, war is not the time for personal grievances and resolving disputes in the rear.
“The rear must always be calm and reliable. Imagine what the guys in the trenches feel now, in the face of which the enemy, and behind them is a treacherous adventure. It’s about stability, about the cohesion of the state, about the security of citizens,” the head of Chechnya concluded.
Last night, the FSB Public Relations Center reported that all the information disseminated on social networks on behalf of Yevgeny Prigozhin about the alleged missile and bomb strikes by the Ministry of Defense on the “rear units of the Wagner PMC” is not true and is an information provocation. The same was said in the Ministry of Defense. The FSB Investigation Department opened a criminal case against Prigozhin under Article 279 of the Criminal Code (“Organization of an armed rebellion”).
President Vladimir Putin, in an address to the Russians, said that all those responsible for the attempted rebellion would be inevitably punished, held accountable before the law and the people. He also noted that decisive actions will be taken to stabilize the situation in Rostov-on-Don, where the work of civil and military authorities is actually blocked.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 24 2023 9:57 utc | 704

A slew of fireworks just went off outside my building…
Makes me feel like I’m in Rostov… 🙂

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 24 2023 9:57 utc | 705

This whole thread resembles a Langley think tank on how best to destabilize Russia.
This is what happens when you give Nazi’s a platform becouse… ‘free speech’
They very quickly destroy free speech, and your blog or political party your media your country.
I warned this was about to happen…
Bellingcat and Shaddow banned.
MOA has been overrun.
Interesting timing too.
Almost as if they knew this little flare up was about to happen. I’m sure they did.
Think Guildo in Venezuela. ectra ectra.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 24 2023 10:01 utc | 706

Richard Steven Hack #592:

“and if I see that the poster is someone who is just always an ass – I skip on by. No big deal.”
I used to do that. But shadowbanned ruined that with his long, frequent posts of complete bullshit. And there are some others, like the Martyanov hater who only comes here to rant about Andrei.

By the “Martyanov hater who only comes here to rant about Andrei” Hack means me.
I’ve been commenting on this blog since March 2018, leaving hundreds of comments over time, possibly a thousand, on all kinds of topics. I’ve made a grand total of three comments critical of Martyanov, all in the past month.
I don’t hate Martyanov. In fact, I agree with a lot of his writing. I just strongly oppose his smearing of Russian war correspondents as “grifters,” and I have demonstrated that Martyanov has been resorting to lies to support his smears. If he wasn’t smearing Russian war correspondents—true patriots risking their lives every day on the front line—I wouldn’t be writing anything about him at all.
I also agree with most of Hack’s writing. I think that, overall, Hack is very reasonable in his analysis, always trying to ground it in facts.
Unfortunately, Hack is also a complete basket case when it comes to social interactions: he is a bully who is constantly insulting and abusing people for tiniest perceived infractions, yet simultaneously an over-sensitive snowflake repeatedly announcing that he is “done here” (yet never leaving), complaining about ad hominems (after calling half of commentators “morons”), putting people on his Javascript blacklist and calling on others to do the same (while lamenting censorship), complaining about the length/number of posts made by others (meanwhile being among the top posters on both counts), accusing people of being NATO “concern trolls” simply for pointing out problems in the Russian military that must be fixed to improve Russia’s military performance, etc. Honestly, don’t know what his problem is. Possibly, some kind of deep-seated inferiority complex. But I’m not a psychologist, so I don’t really know.

Posted by: S | Jun 24 2023 10:12 utc | 707

For those interested, the “Anti-NATO Coalition [ZOV]” telegram channel is giving regular updates of the situation.

Posted by: Apotheoun | Jun 24 2023 10:30 utc | 708

@ RSH
Mildly agreed with your comment a few days ago that Prigo’s antics were more trouble than could be gained from maskirovka and that he should be removed immediately. Now I fully agree. 🙂
And now to solicit input from one of the people you dislike…
@ shadowbanned
What’s your take on what happened and what’s next?

Posted by: natokraine | Jun 24 2023 10:52 utc | 709

Posted by: jpc | Jun 23 2023 17:31 utc | 5
It’s not only the Ukr. counteroffensive but the entire chronology and process of destruction of Ukraine has been deliberate, regardless of the consequences for Ukranians. When have the ruling circles in the West batted an eye at the annihilation of a state and its people that they saw fit to reduce to rubble?
The EU Witch Ursula VdL said the other day – Ukranians are fighting for us, we will never be able to pay them back.
That’s not delusional; nothing to do with simulations.
The US-EU-European citizens will do nothing, now or in the future. The majority supports the war(s), accepts the price at home and earnestly hates Russia, China and all the other “dictators” and “thugs” that will allegedly disappear “democracy” and the Western “way of life” if they are not destroyed by all means.
The necessary conditions for needed radical change do not exist in the US and Europe. In the real world of US and Europe, change is possible, but for the worse or at best – status quo.
No one in the West will cry for Ukraine when all of this is over.

Posted by: JB | Jun 24 2023 11:10 utc | 710

S | Jun 24 2023 10:12 utc | 767, who wrote “By the “Martyanov hater who only comes here to rant about Andrei” Hack means me.”
You wish. Bit of a give away that.
I’m trying to cut back on my use of the word that best suits that particular delusion. ;o)

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jun 24 2023 12:29 utc | 711

I think it is very nice that the prisoners that Wagner recruited into their ranks are now marching in an orderly fashion back to their prison cells.
That’s about as professional as it gets….. honestly, really top-notch work.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jun 24 2023 13:03 utc | 712

Wagner is facing no resistance whatsoever as it marches to Moscow.
(??? That is really puzzling ???)
It is 1000 km between Rostov on Don and Moscow, So, it is truly amazing that Putin can’t find just a few jets with glide bombs or strategic bombers to take a column of a hundred vehicles out. I wonder if Prigozhin’s plan is to pick up Navalny, who is in prison just 240 km outside Moscow, a short detour away, to give a speech in the Kremlin when they both arrive.
Two days ago this happened:
Court dismisses Navalny’s appeal against lack of access to writing materials in prison
“Just hours after the trial began, Navalny announced the start of a campaign aimed at turning Russians against the war in Ukraine. In comments posted to his Twitter account, Navalny said the “absurd” charges could lead to him serving a further 30 years behind bars.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/22/europe/alexey-navalny-appeal-dismissed-intl/index.html
Since Navalny can’t get access to a pencil and paper, maybe Prigozhin will help Navalny set up a Telegram account, as the authorities will let you say whatever you want there.
I have seen this kind of thing once before, in a movie called “The Gods Must be Crazy”, so maybe the recent visit of the African delegation made Prigozhin remember it?

Posted by: Rokossovsky | Jun 24 2023 17:10 utc | 713

Rokossovsky | Jun 24 2023 17:10 utc | 721 (quoting)
*** “Just hours after the trial began, Navalny announced the start of a campaign aimed at turning Russians against the war in Ukraine. In comments posted to his Twitter account, Navalny said the “absurd” charges could lead to him serving a further 30 years behind bars.” ***
The ancient rulers of China had a punishment suitable for Navalny.
Why is he still alive anyway?

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 24 2023 18:30 utc | 714

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 24 2023 9:53 utc | 711
Forget the shiny kit, or lack of it, Wagner relied on their operational combat support requirements being satisfied by the army their leader regularly trashed. Bullets, beans and bandages, Wagner are deficient in supplying all three, I’ll give them 48 hours tops.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 24 2023 19:20 utc | 715

Some brain droppings:
If the regular posters here are called barflies/barflys, can the trolls be called barflees?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 24 2023 23:47 utc | 716

In response to ”
Some brain droppings:
If the regular posters here are called barflies/barflys, can the trolls be called barflees?
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 24 2023 23:47 utc | 724

LOL!!!
At comment # 725 from this long time commenter, I would say, yes, MoA has a serious case of barflees
I hope it catches on because trolls is just not accurate enough.
And then there are the wannabe barflys which have increased in number with mixed results and increased volume of thread comments to wade through for the nuggets, if there.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 25 2023 0:42 utc | 717

A bit late to the discussion, but regarding Prigozhin antics, to figure things out, just look at his past record of Maskirovka. Based on that alone, anyone but a desperate NATO analyst could estimate the odds of this being another fake. Even Putin’s playing a role. Its just the stupid, gullible West, mah fellow Muricans, grasping at the straws handed to them.
Now as to why Russia is playing this game? (I probably shouldn’t tip Russia’s hand, but its not as if anyone notices my posts anyway). When your enemy gets deperate, as the US/NATO are now, they become unpredictable. There is a danger that they might even come up with something unexpected that could effect the outcome. The Prigozhin affair, like a “lame duck” trailing its “broken” wing, is a means to channel all that desperate creativity/energy of the Western analysts into a prepared channel, going nowhere.
A couple of years from now, when this is all settled, Prigozhin will be appointed Russia’s director of Counterintelligence, if he wants it. So many successful psyops so far.

Posted by: spindz | Jun 25 2023 9:24 utc | 718

Zelenskyy would have shot the lame duck with broken wing and claim “Mission Accomplished”.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 25 2023 9:33 utc | 719