Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 30, 2023
The Over-Hyped ‘Spy’ Balloon That Didn’t

With regards to China President Joe Biden said on June 20 2023:

And the reason why Xi Jinping got very upset in terms of when I shot that balloon down with two boxcars full of spy equipment in it is he didn’t know it was there. No, I’m serious. That’s what’s a great embarrassment for dictators, when they didn’t know what happened. That wasn’t supposed to be going where it was. It was blown off course up through Alaska and then down through the United States. And he didn’t know about it. When it got shot down, he was very embarrassed. He denied it was even there.

I commented that:

Biden acknowledges that the weather balloon was 'blow off course' and thereby debunks previous claims that it was steerable. China had no intent to let the balloon cross Canada and the United States. And if there had really been 'two boxcars full of spy equipment' on the balloon why hasn't the U.S. shown any of it?

Why would or should a president of the U.S. or China know of some weather balloon floating somewhere?

Xi was embarrassed by the circus the U.S. made over that affair?

Xi denied that the ballon was where it was to whom? And the U.S. would know about that how?

There were so many questions about those 'spy balloon' claims that, from the very beginning, I was sure and said that it was all bunk:

But the Biden administration created a scandal over the randomly floating weather balloon. It thereby opened itself to criticism from the hawks in the Democratic and Republican parties. It canceled, without need, the planned mission of Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to China.

Well – as it turns out it all was bunk, just as I had claimed.

Yesterday the Wall Street Journal headlined:

Chinese Balloon Used American Tech to Spy on Americans
Preliminary U.S. findings show the craft collected photos and videos but didn’t appear to transmit them, officials say

The 'spy balloon' was not spying at all. It had a U.S. made camera on board for this or that (navigational orientation?) purpose and was not submitting any pictures from it:

The US gear was intermixed with “more specialized Chinese sensors and other equipment” with the purpose of snapping photos and capturing videos and other information to transmit to Beijing, according to the Journal.

Despite the spy balloon’s surveillance capabilities, the Defense Department does not believe the spy balloon collected data while it was flying over US territory, Pentagon press secretary Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said Thursday.

Via Reuters the Pentagon confirmed that the 'spy balloon' was just a balloon that was not spying at all:

A Chinese spy balloon that flew over the United States earlier this year before being shot down did not collect information as it went across the country, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

"We assess that it did not collect while it was flying over the U.S.," Pentagon spokesman Brigadier General Pat Ryder told reporters.

The balloon spent a week flying over the United States and Canada before the U.S. military shot it down off the Atlantic Coast on Biden's orders.

Biden had already confirmed that the balloon was 'blown of course' which had been immediately clear to me and to anyone who could look up and understand the relevant weather maps of pressure systems and their atmospheric wind directions and strength.


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The balloon was also not a spying device because there are obviously much better ways, like satellites, to gain more precise information than a randomly floating weather balloon will ever be able to catch.

The Biden administration is intentionally using anti-Asian racism to create an 'enemy' by alleging that the Chinese are doing wrong in this or that or in whatever may randomly float over the horizon. At the same time it is copying those Chinese policies it had previously criticized:

Bidenomics seems increasingly likely to play a pivotal role in US President Joe Biden’s upcoming 2024 presidential election campaign. With great fanfare in a June 28 speech in Chicago, he offered a stirring endorsement of “industrial policy” as the centerpiece of his economic strategy.

For the US, there is a certain irony, possibly even hypocrisy, in embracing industrial policy as an effective strategy to counter China. Washington has long been critical of Chinese industrial policy as one of its most egregious anti-competitive sins. That was a key allegation in the Trump Administration’s March 2018 Section 301 report that quickly became the foundational evidence for tariffs and the broader trade war that was to follow. The Section 301 report argued that China was unique in relying on the subsidies and targeting of industrial policy—a conclusion I took strong issue with in Chapter 4 of Accidental Conflict, in which I presented evidence of a legacy of industrial policy strategies in Japan, Germany, and, yes, the United States. And now the Biden Administration, which has endorsed most of the tactics of Trump’s trade war with China, is embracing the very same industrial policy approach that China has long practiced.

Well, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Doing like China does, because what China does is successful, is now the new normal.

Next: A U.S. weather balloon, with a defunct Chinese camera on board, unintentionally crossing China. "U.S.A., U.S.A., …"

Unfortunately the U.S. is not good at imitating China's policies:

[T]he point I am trying to make here is that both approaches rely on the government’s ability to target the so-called vital, strategic industries of the future. Japan failed miserably at that, and the US didn’t exactly distinguish itself the last time it tried—ironically aimed at the same semiconductor industry that is getting all the attention today. Indeed, the failure of the then widely-heralded Sematech effort of the late 1980s seems all but forgotten.

The US economy is performing well by many accounts. Competitiveness, however, always remains a major challenge. Bidenomics is aimed at addressing this key challenge, a goal I certainly applaud. But is industrial policy, one of China’s hallmark tactics that we, ourselves, have been so critical of, really the best way to pull it off?

The tax-payer money that Biden is now providing to industries is likely to bump up stock prices and CEO wages through major bullshit projects like the over-hyped garbage in-garbage out patter recognition algorithms that are sold to the public as Artificial Intelligence.

Is there, after all the previous promises and investments, any autonomous driving vehicle out there today that is trusted to do no harm? No?

Well, get ready for another such marketing hype.

Comments

I do not imagine that this information will get too much coverage in the M$M.
(also a check on my ‘message review process)

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jun 30 2023 9:09 utc | 1

Oh! one lives and learns – well horefully ;o)

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jun 30 2023 9:11 utc | 2

hopefully

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jun 30 2023 9:11 utc | 3

Can anyone explain why the Chinese balloon “collected photos and videos but didn’t appear to transmit them,” as the WSJ reported the US officials as saying? Broken transmitter? It looks like the Americans are desperately trying not to deny the ‘spy balloon’ story but can’t say anything about what actually happened.
Originaly the media made a big deal about the fact the fact that the balloon flew near an air base in Montana that was also a nuclear missile site. Now Biden has effectively said that that was a coincidence, since the balloon flew off course in Alaska.

Posted by: Brendan | Jun 30 2023 9:13 utc | 4

I doubt Xi was embarrassed. Just saw the incident as childish American chatter about nothing. Irrelevant.

Posted by: JGarbo | Jun 30 2023 9:19 utc | 5

It was a spy balloon (the MSM stills calls it that). But it wasn’t spying. Maybe this teaches us something about life. If it doesn’t walk like a duck it isn’t a duck but it still is a Peking duck.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 30 2023 9:20 utc | 6

This entire neocon and neonazi ‘biden’ thing is an embarrassment to the human species…
And it definitely isn’t going to end well.

Posted by: Robert Hope | Jun 30 2023 9:26 utc | 7

Biden can proud. The vaunted F22 finally saw combat. The Chinese weather weapon was fiendishly tricky, dodging up and down, refusing to fight mano-a-mano. But after a few practise shots the USAF’s super fighter carried the day, downing the belligerent balloon, saving America from certain destruction. MAGA.

Posted by: JGarbo | Jun 30 2023 9:27 utc | 8

The take away among the 87% from the balloon incident is Washington is populated by a bunch of hysterical pussies.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 30 2023 9:44 utc | 9

More than anything else I would love to see a true accounting of how much was spent to take down, recover and analyse an errant weather balloon, that would be most embarrassing!

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 30 2023 9:53 utc | 10

That good old ‘yellow peril’ crank that Uncle Sam has been winding for 200 years or more:
Yellow Peril
(The wikipedia article needs an update on the balloon saga.)
A long and proud Western tradition now upgraded for a new era …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 30 2023 10:01 utc | 11

The sole purpose of the fiction of animosity to China is to divert attention from the reality of Western politicians exporting climate
changing emmissions to China.
Everybody gets rich importing from China, and the scandal of clinate change is deftly swept under vtheccarpet

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 30 2023 10:07 utc | 12

“And if there had really been ‘two boxcars full of spy equipment’ on the balloon why hasn’t the U.S. shown any of it?”
Allegedly and I can’t give a source. The reason that the meat puppet hasn’t shown any of the equipment is because the cia is still removing all the “Made in America” labels.
That takes a bit of time.

Posted by: T.D. | Jun 30 2023 10:07 utc | 13

@9 I put that number at 98% after January 6, or after any 4” snowfall.

Posted by: Fred777 | Jun 30 2023 10:17 utc | 14

Just to develope the point about overall coverage of the Reuters report from Lantern Dude | Jun 30 2023 9:09 utc | 1.
The illusion of the ‘free press’ relies on minimal reporting of everything so that the ‘informed’ reader – assuming they look long and hard enough – can convince themselves that the press is ‘free’ and informative rather than merely propagandistic opinion-making daily drivel.
Recently we have witnessed two distinct forms of propagandist media methodologies by the imperial centre: the scatter gun technique of many different daily messaging narratives centred on Lindsay Graham (nuclear threat narrative), Blinken (work with China government) and Biden (labelling China’s government in a negative fashion); and the full on ‘one message’ narrative such as Blinken’s eight broadcasts and M$M reportage using variations on a basic theme (Putin weakend by events we knew about but didn’t get involved in the process) alongside the original ‘one message’ Russia is weak and disorganised but they could conquer the world if we are not careful etc….
It all folds into the background conversations of the general population seamlessly, who are focussed on day-to-day concerns until the shit hits the fan and the constant BS becomes redundant to their perceptions of their day-to-day concerns.
Here in the western isles of Europe (UK & Eire), specifically the UK, the national average reading age is ‘9’! The national average wage is reported as above £30K p.a.. Assuming there are millions of workers that earn substantially less than that per annum it is likely that there is a substantial section of the population that has a reading age of less than ‘9’!

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jun 30 2023 10:29 utc | 15

Am I alone who don’t see any sense sending balloon full of equipment but without means to retrieve any data from it ?

Posted by: robie | Jun 30 2023 10:29 utc | 16

We obviously have a weather balloon gap. If we are not careful it will lead us to losing our precious bodily fluids. Consider how much is attributed to the miraculous powers of weather balloons. Our Pentagon budget would be foolish to pursue anything other than this superior technology tree. Cut our MIC budget by 90% for this true hegemonic domination!
Make America Great Again: Build Balloons, Not Bombs! :o)

Posted by: titmouse | Jun 30 2023 10:37 utc | 17

Sleepy Joe told us about ‘two boxcars full of spy equipment on the balloon…..’
.
‘Mustang Sally’ and ‘Boxcar Willie’ are clearly subliminal cues intended to start people wearing horned bearskins.

Posted by: Merkin Scot | Jun 30 2023 10:52 utc | 18

WSJ Lead story headline Friday Am….

The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Children to Join
The Pentagon is scrambling to retain the main pipeline for new service members as disillusioned families steer young people away. This article is part of a series examining the problems confronting

Posted by: Exile | Jun 30 2023 10:57 utc | 19

Xi Jinping did appear flustered by that balloon incident, probably because elements in the PLA had send it off to embarrass him. Some high ups there want war to get promotion$. Just like irresponsable elements in the MICIMATT: all alpha males high on testosterone and low on wisdom or even common sense. Non will be in any front line but under some mountain.

Posted by: Antonym | Jun 30 2023 10:59 utc | 20

“…patter recognition algorithms…”
Our host is killing it! Funny and oh so true at the same time. Algorithms to find meaning in the empty patter of mindless Millennial social media posts? Why yes, we can spare $billions for that! Make machines that can imitate the “inclusive” formulaic and mechanical mumblings of feeble-minded and emotionally stunted mass media consumers? Yes, we can do it! We’re Americans!
Meanwhile the Chinese are developing real AI that can solve real problems.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 30 2023 11:00 utc | 21

‘two boxcars full of spy equipment’
Granted such a statement is guaranteed to be gross exaggeration, hyperbole.
But, just for curiosity, exactly how much would ‘two boxcars full of spy equipment’ be if real?
A Union Pacific 50 foot plain boxcar:
Cubic Capacity Range from 4,950 to 7,300 cubic feet
Gross Weight on Rail Range from 263,000 to 286,000 lbs.
Load Limit Range from 146,000 to 215,500 lbs.
https://www.up.com/customers/all/equipment/descriptions/boxcars/index.htm
So, ‘two boxcars full of spy equipment’ would be:
8,000 to 14,000 cubic feet (226 to 396 cubic metres)
or
230,000 to 430,000 lbs (104 to 195 metric tonnes)
:-))

Posted by: ltexpat | Jun 30 2023 11:21 utc | 22

Chinese balloon = American Buffoon

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2023 11:32 utc | 23

“Two boxcars” is an enormous amount of material. That balloon would have had to be the Graf Zeppelin to lift all that.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Jun 30 2023 11:38 utc | 24

A Go-Pro camera is “spy equipment” so is a DJI drone
In fact most Americans have equipment that allows them to be spied on – by Meta, NSA, Apple, Google, FBI, CIA, NSA, CNN, ………..
Most cars in USA have GPS which records where they have been as does the iPhone

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2023 11:42 utc | 25

Am I alone who don’t see any sense sending balloon full of equipment but without means to retrieve any data from it ?
Posted by: robie | Jun 30 2023 10:29 utc | 16

What are you talking about? They had means to retrieve data from it. The article merely states that the balloon wasn’t actually transmitting data, not that it couldn’t transmit data.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Jun 30 2023 11:42 utc | 26

Speaking of China’s main partner in crime (just kidding), Guardian reports that Ukrainians are saying Russia has decided to blow up Zaporinhia nuclear power plant. I wonder if this could be projection on the part of Ukraine. As for China, obviously they would gravely disapprove of Russia doing that, assuming there was convincing proof of such criminal recklessness on Russia’s part.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/30/russia-has-approved-plan-blow-up-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-claims-ukraine

Posted by: Jupiter | Jun 30 2023 11:47 utc | 27

We reasonably have a right to control our own airspace, and so there was nothing inherently unreasonable in taking it down, even if it was a probable weather balloon. The problem that developed is that the Biden administration couldn’t keep from throwing in some lies regarding the incident. What we should have done was a recovery effort, look it over if we recover it reasonable intact, and announce that we took it down in an abundance of caution. Instead we ended up looking for a fight that was not in our interests.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 30 2023 11:57 utc | 28

Posted by: Jupiter | Jun 30 2023 11:47 utc | 27
Myself I am just so thankful to have you and the Guardian to set me straight on those devilish Russians and to ask the right TrollTeam questions.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 30 2023 11:59 utc | 29

The sole purpose of the fiction of animosity to China is to divert attention from the reality of Western politicians exporting climate
changing emmissions to China.
Everybody gets rich importing from China, and the scandal of clinate change is deftly swept under vtheccarpet
Posted by: Giyane | Jun 30 2023 10:07 utc | 12
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Yeah that pretty well sums it up in a nut shell. There’s no stopping China imports now shipped directly to your door. Very good quality I might add.

Posted by: John2007 | Jun 30 2023 12:04 utc | 30

To lift 200,000lbs (the low end of what a couple boxcars can carry) you would need a balloon with the capacity for about 90 million liters of helium, which would be a balloon about 60 meters in diameter.
Big balloon.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 30 2023 12:16 utc | 31

According to WikiCIApedia, the Graf Zeppelin could lift 192,000lbs, but it only had a usable cargo capacity of 33,000lbs. Basically, even the Graf Zeppelin couldn’t lift two loaded boxcars.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 30 2023 12:23 utc | 32

The “administration”:
https://youtu.be/KlyERnu7zUw
Apologies to native americans.

Posted by: jared | Jun 30 2023 12:23 utc | 33

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 30 2023 12:16 utc | 31
That was going to be my question – how large were these balloons?
It seems like the issue is getting too much mileage – there are better issue to point to the malevolence and incompetence of the US government (it’s bigger than the Biden admin).
I hope some (everyone actually) viewed Max Bloomenthal’s speech before the UN (was it yesterday) – a little hard to find on boobtube.
https://youtu.be/Ddc1ix_9MII

Posted by: jared | Jun 30 2023 12:30 utc | 34

and you believe them now why exactly? either it was a defunct american balloon used to wag the dog, or it was real. why would the chinese need a balloon? because many of our nuke silos are empty and they need to find out just how many via radiation detectors. you have to get close for that. now take in reports of the missile command furiously switching missiles around among the silo fields. your call.

Posted by: riverrider | Jun 30 2023 12:32 utc | 35

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 30 2023 11:57 utc | 28
say what? so we can just randomly shoot down any airplane that passes over the US? there was nothing reasonable about the US response, or legal.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 30 2023 12:37 utc | 36

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2023 11:42 utc | 25
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We’re not the largest social experiment police state for nothing. We sheepie don’t mind so long we fed a tried and true diet of sex drugs rock’en roll and now days a dose virtual reality

Posted by: John2007 | Jun 30 2023 12:49 utc | 37

Honorable mention should go to the amatuer weather balloons they took out protecting those missile silos. Another memorable victory.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 30 2023 12:50 utc | 38

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 30 2023 11:57 utc | 28
say what? so we can just randomly shoot down any airplane that passes over the US? there was nothing reasonable about the US response, or legal.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 30 2023 12:37 utc | 36
That issue comes up, by the way, when an airplane that has no reported flight plan and no communication otherwise, enters our airspace. The usual context is that they are expected to be smuggling in drugs. The common method is to order the plane to land, if contact can be made by radio. Or a guy in a plane will get into the proximity of the unidentified craft and indicate by gestures that they need to land under threat of being shot down. Hey, not hypothetical. It happens. Whatever else happens, the unidentified craft will get a lot of attention, all of it military. Naturally, that sort of contact can’t be made with an unmanned craft. No assertion here that we should or should not shoot it down, only that it was at our discretion. No fault if we chose to shoot it down. My preference would have been to damage it a little and see if we could get it to settle, the better to look it over. It wasn’t one of those little weather balloons, it was a honken big thing, but not as big as our habitually lying administrating clamed of course. We made it seem to be unreasonable to shoot it down with our exaggerated claims.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 30 2023 12:52 utc | 39

What this balloon incident displays in technicolor is the level of insanity that pervades US society and it’s government. As if I need a reminder….

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Jun 30 2023 13:00 utc | 40

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 30 2023 12:52 utc | 39
weather balloons that go astray do not need to file flight plans. the chinese weather balloon was not a ufo. it was not, legally or reasonably, within our discretion to shoot it down. It eventually proved within our capability to shoot it down. there was no reason to shoot it down. it was all hype. i don’t think anybody has shot down a US weather balloon.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 30 2023 13:12 utc | 41

i mean, anybody but the US.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 30 2023 13:13 utc | 42

jared @34: “…there are better issue to point to the malevolence and incompetence of the US government…”
I don’t know, this whole episode does a fine job of illustrating how profoundly stupid the Administration and its seventeen “intelligence” stupidity agencies are, and what a bunch of hysterical gibbering idiots the presstitutes in the mass media are. It’s like watching a room full of kindergartners being “invaded” by a hapless mouse. The infantile overreaction is completely off the scale. There is absolutely no excuse for adults to behave in such a shameful way like ignorant and hysterical children. It is the “Chicken Little” parable turned real life. It is the societal equivalent of a cytokine storm, with the body’s defenses flying completely off the handle over something entirely innocuous and mundane.
You ever see those social media videos of cats freaking out when they first spot a cucumber that someone stealthily placed behind them? That is every single person who contributed in any way to the whole “spy balloon” balloonacy. Every single person who got caught up in that nonsense should feel very deeply ashamed of themselves, and if they don’t it can only be because they are too stupid to feel shame for anything in the first place. That’s pretty stupid because even dogs can feel shame.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 30 2023 13:14 utc | 43

Concerns about the state of Biden’s mental health are growing. Meanwhile, deep in the bowels of the White House, teams of technicians are working frantically to perfect an AI known simply as The Device . . .
“Ready? Okay. Screen test.”
“Hi, I’m Joe, Joe, Joe Biden, the President-dent-dent of the US AA . . . “
“Okay, he looks presidential enough. Run the program.”
“I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”
“No. Where did that come from? Next!”
“There you go again.”
“Next!”
“A million points of light . . . “
“Next!”
“It’s a weak nation, like a weak person, that must behave with bluster and boasting and rashness . . . “
“Oh shit, no . . . next.”
“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”
“Next.”
“Cheese-eating surrender monkeys . . . “
“Next.”
“Fool me – you can’t get fooled again.”
“Next.”
“The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country . . . “
“No! Move on!”
“When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk.”
Sigh. “Next.”
“In Washington, D.C., a gaffe is when you tell the truth.”
“Shit, shit, shit. We’re doomed.”

Posted by: pasha | Jun 30 2023 13:16 utc | 44

If you want a stellar example of why “industrial policy” in pretty much any Western country is doomed, just look at Thames Water. Locusts will strip-mine the assets of Western industry to line their own pockets with impunity.
If the USA and pretty much any Western country hopes to copy Chinese “success,” they’ll have to occasionally hang an industrialist or banker pour encourager les autres to put the team first.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Jun 30 2023 13:16 utc | 45

USA: The Sky is falling!
ROW: (Looks up scratching head) No it’s not.
USA: You’re stupid and blind and you’re all going to die. THE SKY IS FALLING!
ROW: Whatever.
USA: (Three months later released on late Friday afternoon) The sky wasn’t falling, but it could have and will at some point so be very afraid.
ROW: Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: gottlieb | Jun 30 2023 13:16 utc | 46

Off and on it happens that an unidentified airplane (no flight plan) will turn up in restricted airspace. Makes the news big if it is around the Whitehouse. They are always under threat of being shot down. Is that a good thing or a sign of craziness. Craziness on our side, by the way, not on the side of the unidentified pilot who plainly has a death wish if he doesn’t desist.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 30 2023 13:16 utc | 47

If you want a stellar example of why “industrial policy” in pretty much any Western country is doomed, just look at Thames Water. Locusts will strip-mine the assets of Western industry to line their own pockets with impunity.
If the USA and pretty much any Western country hopes to copy Chinese “success,” they’ll have to occasionally hang an industrialist or banker pour encourager les autres to put the team first.
Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Jun 30 2023 13:16 utc | 45
Yes, the problem is the west is we treat our economic and financial parasites, criminals essentially, like they are the most productive members of society, and of course all they really care about are their little personal disputes with each other and staying in the upper class where they don’t have to work. Government by grift is what we have had for decades now, and everybody can see the results.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 30 2023 13:26 utc | 48

Once you grasp the history of the Washington regime you see that, starting small and working its way up, the motivation and theme is it (as an institution) wants to centralize power. That power is gained through some kind of crisis and that is usually war. More war cold or hot, then more power. Washington must create a crisis and the controlled media broadcasts that crisis even if they know its fake like the weather balloon incident. All sides benefit in consistently and systematically spreading lies such that the public “discourse” cannot continue without a required tissue of lies. We, in the West, live in an Orwellian world without the necessity of a boot stamping in our faces–we expect and crave the lies.
The result of all this in accordance with an educational system rigged from the beginning to misinform, degrade, and disempower children and young adults in post-sec education with only enough knowledge to barely be able to function in a job bullshit or otherwise. Even science itself has been perverted and nearly destroyed by the need to benefit the authorities and the oligarchs they serve.
I say this as someone who has spent way to much time in the environs of Washington DC and has seen how the sausages are made. It’s not a “conspiracy” its a result of enforcing certain laws, regulations, cultural memes, and self-interest in a game-theory matrix where, as we in the government used to say, “no good deed goes unpunished”–so run those rules and the inevitable result is what we have now. I have gone from the usual leftist liberal POV to a anarchist/libertarian POV. At one time (pre-Clinton) the system did have some elements of honor and care for the American people now it has nothing other than crap from stem to stern. Washington should, if there was any virtue left in Western civilization, be razed to the ground virtually, too much nice architecture in the city to physically raze it.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jun 30 2023 13:28 utc | 49

A U.$. made camera? Assembled in U.$.A.? do we still make anything?

Posted by: William Haught | Jun 30 2023 13:31 utc | 50

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 30 2023 12:52 utc | 39
All major powers have balloons for surveillance , agreed-to radiation checking, and weather purposes. American ones fly over China and Russia all the time with nary a mention. Such balloons fly over the USA all the time with the same policy. It didn’t have to be a big deal until Biden made a big deal of it or was pushed into making a big deal of it by a hawkish faction disliking him.
I read about the legality of these balloons and there is some convention or at least understanding that you cannot just shoot them down when you feel like it, as they are almost satellites and thus almost a declaration of war.
The fact that Biden and the US shot a balloon down with an F22 and super-duper missiles ,that were initially squibs , is laughable and goes to show that the US was indulging in a “hey look at my big dick dick” moment. It turns out that it wasn’t even transmitting or recording? info.
So what does that mean? It means Biden looks good in the USA. Dumb Average Joes into USA USA are too stupid to know or remember the details ,such as not recording, balloon out of control on jetstreams and that USA has similar balloons over Russia and China. All they know is the USA shot down something Chinese. Boo ha. The educated wordly earnest American, Right or Left, knows the details and therefore says “All is well ,ends well” so no need to worry or hate mah Country, etc. Large proportion of Americans thus pleased or appeased. Yet, the rest of us, see, don’t like and remember the USA’s malicious pernicious cavalier behaviour with the RoW. Will it cause hardship or WW III ? Remains to be seen.

Posted by: Boy | Jun 30 2023 13:32 utc | 51

Agree, 100% bolox. The US cannot industrialise over night or over the next 5 years. The Chinese and I suspect the Russians to some extent seem to work on 20-30 year plans, as all good government should do, and in their planning they don’t look at shareholder’s dividends as the bottom line.
The privatisation of British Rail, British water and the resulting crash of both industries is a classic real time example of Anglo-Saxon planning and priorities. The European model has now been taken over by the Anglo-Saxon model with nearly all utility companies, transport companies etc now being milked of all their assets and no investment or future planning considered.
This is reverse imperialism in practice, instead of raping 3rd World countries of their resources like in the good old days, Anglo-Saxon and European institutions are raping their own service industies and housing markets.
Capitalism existed when imperialism worked, without imperialism, Capitalism becomes cannibalism.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jun 30 2023 13:40 utc | 52

Just been over Simplicius76’s reading about Pantsir vs Storm Shadow. Very interesting but too technical for my particular brain. In the comments there was a quote from H L Mencken. So I looked him up and found On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron, which sort sums up the Bidon Whitehouse IMHO ;o)

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jun 30 2023 13:40 utc | 53

Xi Jinping did appear flustered by that balloon incident
Posted by: Antonym | Jun 30 2023 10:59 utc | 20
No, he did not “appear” flustered. Xi didn’t even publicly comment on the incident, because he never does. not. do. controversy. Chinese editorials and FMPRC commented LAST YEAR plenty that US government was hysterical and absurd. THIS YEAR, the G7 press corpse ascribed “embarrassment” to Jinping, because REUTERS reported that BIDEN said to DNC campaign donors after Blinken’s HISTORIC meeting with his actual “counterparts

“The reason why Xi Jinping got very upset in terms of when I shot that balloon down with two box cars [“a single AIM-9X Sidewinder“] full of spy equipment in it was he didn’t know it was there,” Biden said in the fundraiser.
“That’s a great embarrassment for dictators. When they didn’t know what happened. That wasn’t supposed to be going where it was. It was blown off course,” Biden added.
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Biden said on Tuesday that Xi had been concerned by the so-called Quad strategic security group, which includes Japan, Australia, India[,] and the United States. The U.S. president said he previously told Xi the U.S. was not trying to encircle China with the Quad.
Later this week [22 June], Biden will meet Indian [“autocratic-leaning“] Prime Minister [and G20 President] Narendra Modi and China[, RUSSIA, and the “so-called Global South“] is expected to be a topic of discussion between the two leaders.

Roll off the turnip truck, why don’t you.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 30 2023 13:40 utc | 54

Posted by: pasha | Jun 30 2023 13:16 utc | 44
Actually, that sounds about right. Ship it!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 30 2023 13:52 utc | 55

Munich Security Conference (17-10 Feb 2023), Main Stage I Conversation 18 Feb, A/V recording opening remarks and Q&A: Wang Yi and Wolfgang Ischinger (pres. MSC Board of Trustees, pres. MSC Foundation Council), who in his opening remarks invited attendees to “take a moment during the day to look at these rather gripping photographs and videos” of Russian war crimes. (sln2002 transcript)

WANG:…Put simply, we will work with all sides, sustain our efforts, and work until the day peace arrives. Thank you.
ISCHINGER @19:36: Thank you very much, sir. Now, I have collected a couple of questions. We have very limited time, but among the questions most urgently asked are questions about the relationship between CHina and the United States. We have all recently witnessed the—what I may call with your permission—”the balloon crisis”. My question is a very simple one [?]. Are you going to and is your delegation going to use the opportunity of this Munich Security Conference platform, which is actually an ideal platform for these types of purposes, to enter into a discussion with those present from the Joe Biden administration to return hopefully to a somewhat more normal level of discourse between Beijing and Washington, because, of course, you have some larger issues to discuss above and beyond the balloon crisis, but my impression has been that the balloon crisis has stood in the way of returning to a more normal discussion?
WANG: It seems that everyone is following very closely the balloon incident, and [it] has become the center of heated discusions. I’ll talk about some facts.
We have very clearly told the United states, this is an unmanned airship that is civilian in nature. I thas limited self-steering capability and veered off course to enter the United States due to westerly influence. We asked the United States to handle it calmly and professionally, based on consultation with the Chinese side. Regretably, the United States disregards these facts and used advanced fighter jets and downed a balloon with its missiles. This is, I would say, absurd and hysterical. This is a hundred percent abuse of the use of force. It is a violation of international, customary practice, in particular, the Chicago Convention on International CIvil Aviation [1944 et seq.]. We do not accept this….

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 30 2023 14:00 utc | 56

At the highest level, all I see are conspiracy theorists. What’s behind it?

Posted by: Leuk | Jun 30 2023 14:15 utc | 57

At the highest level, all I see are conspiracy theorists. What’s behind it?
Posted by: Leuk | Jun 30 2023 14:15 utc | 57
Well, they have us talking about spy balloons again. I suppose that is a “win” from a deep-state/making-our-own-reality point of view.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 30 2023 14:20 utc | 58

The Chinese Spy Balloon saga belongs in the same category as these: IMHO
One of Russia’s Most Notorious Spies—a Whale—Resurfaces – Glenn Greenwald
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNBJ95Phvhg
Vladimir Putin ‘developing shape-shifting killer octopus …
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/735175/vladimir-putin-killer-octopus-organism-46-b-russian-army-secret-weapon-russia
The Greenwald piece is HILARIOUS if anyone wants a laugh.

Posted by: Rokossovsky | Jun 30 2023 14:22 utc | 59

Japan’s industrial policy did not fail. It was very successful.
What failed was its macro-economic policy after the Plaza Agreements had driven up the exchange rate and consequently lowered the competitiveness of Japan’s industry. Companies started closing and unemployment started to rise. And then Japan’s government reacted by pumping lots of money into the economy, keeping zombie companies alive and building “bridges to nowhere”. This drove up the real estate prices to astronomic heights – what of course made life only harder for Japan’s struggling companies.
So what failed was not an industrial policy that targeted growth industries. It was a misguided kind of Keynesian policy based on the belief that just randomly pumping money into an economy will fuel growth.

Posted by: Wim | Jun 30 2023 14:42 utc | 60

Again, about chatIBK: it’s a (not very good) search engine on top of (obviously limited) database. It has a linguistic interface that’s kind of cool but not more than that.
Remember when your refrigerator was going to be connected to the internet? Remember self driving cars? Remember delivery by drone?
In the words of the honorable Chuck D: don’t believe the hype.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jun 30 2023 14:49 utc | 61

Hot air
All the US has left.

Posted by: jpc | Jun 30 2023 14:55 utc | 62

If there was any “racism” involved, it was an attempt by the “Anglos” of DC/London and their media-minions to make all Europeans look stupid to the world. Sadly, they have made this this their mission for over 30 years.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 30 2023 15:03 utc | 63

William Gruff @ 43. That is some deep stuff there. Base programing is what it is in cats. Thanks for that vision of things

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jun 30 2023 15:04 utc | 64

My impression is that the reason that Biden/Biden Administration/US Government and other governments appear so schizophrenic / irrational is that they are not making their own decisions – decisions are being dictated to them.
I don’t this this works by someone calling Biden and literally dictating what is to be done, it is more subtle – as in “I think it might be better if we did ‘X’ Joe rather than “Y’, after all that is in our interest.” But Biden, the administration, the Senators, etc. no that if they don’t go along they will be living like Trump – cut-off from the gravy train or bad things might happen.
It’s like driving a car with a “back-seat driver” – prone to frustration, confusion, erratic behavior…
So for example, I think some important “donor” mentioned over a cocktail that maybe it would be better if we kept haranguing China rather that trying to smooth things over for the sake of the election – maintain the course sort of thing. Biden took the hint and in his loopy way ran with it – suddenly talking smack to Xi when the day before his henchmen was making nice.
There is a reason why things are what they are. These people are jerks, but not stupid (well stupid in a bureaucratic way but not individually).

Posted by: jared | Jun 30 2023 15:17 utc | 65

Today’s Global Times article on the issue, “After five months of strained ties, US admits Chinese ‘spy balloon’ did not collect information”, with a cartoon at the header that tells the story to those who can’t read, like Biden:
“After repeated hyping of the so-called Chinese spy balloon incident for nearly five months, the Pentagon on Thursday admitted the airship did not collect any information, not to mention send any data back to China. This is an objective result that should be welcomed, but it came too late, as the incident has damaged mutual trust, totally changed the environment for communication between China and the US, and caused the two sides to miss a better time to restore relations, Chinese experts said.”
After that opening paragraph we read some expert commentary on the state of relations:

The Pentagon’s brief announcement on Thursday showed that the US, or at least the US’ defense department, is trying to close the chapter on the incident as it must have realized that the facts are slapping them in the face, Lü Xiang, a research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times on Friday….
We must face the fact that US diplomacy will continue to show a character of being two-faced, as it views China as a main strategic opponent and will not change its strategy of containing China before it regains an absolute advantage over China, Lü said.
The Chinese central government must have become aware of this and is making adjustments in its strategy in the Taiwan Straits and the South China Sea to maintain China’s practical control of the regions amid the US’ provocation, Lü pointed out, citing China’s firm actions in the Taiwan Straits since last year including large-scale military drills and the flying of fighter jets across the so-called median line of the Taiwan Straits, which the Chinese mainland had declared a non-existent concept.

Yellen will likely visit China in early July, but she’s unlikely to change the current status quo since other anti-China policies like those described here will likely be implemented. Yet that items title tells us what the outcome will be, “Washington kidnaps allies to squeeze China on chips; new curbs to strengthen pace of China’s tech rise.” [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 30 2023 15:25 utc | 66

If it doesn’t walk like a duck it isn’t a duck but it still is a Peking duck.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 30 2023 9:20 utc | 6
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Spot on!

Posted by: lulu | Jun 30 2023 15:28 utc | 67

At the highest level, all I see are conspiracy theorists. What’s behind it?
Posted by: Leuk | Jun 30 2023 14:15 utc | 57

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cocaine-london-river-thames-water-research-kings-college-study-fish-high-drugs-a8738146.html
Could be a clue.

Posted by: Nobody | Jun 30 2023 15:34 utc | 68

After 2 months in the super duper Quantico FBI lab they came up with this nonsense with zero proof:
“China was able to control the balloon so it could make multiple passes over some of the sites (at times flying figure-eight formations) and transmit the information it collected back to Beijing in real time, the three officials said. The intelligence China collected was mostly from electronic signals”
The US is an embarrassing joke that spreads so much lies it’s impossible to keep their stories straight.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Jun 30 2023 15:36 utc | 69

Bolshoi! Unmitigated Bolshoi.
And the Press cycle, having blurbed, moves on.
To-day’s Topic: The Arrest of General Surovikin – Russia’s last hope of winning.
Totally unbiased sources, (citing EUkrainian intelligence), the Moscow Times and the Kiev Independent are setting up the US empire to knock this tale out of the ballpark. WaPo is all over it!

Posted by: Kevin Quinn | Jun 30 2023 16:06 utc | 70

There are many items which the US relies on with China as a source, from electric blankets and toasters and computers to game consoles and rare earths.
..from unherd–

China is threatening an export ban on rare earth metals in response to Washington’s recent decision to impose restrictions on exports of high-end semiconductors to Beijing. This is not the first time that China has mooted such a ban, with rumours circulating since at least 2019 as well as formal threats in 2021.
If such a ban came into effect it could, in theory at least, be quite damaging. Rare earth metals are needed to produce the magnets that are used in everything from wind turbines to hard disk drives to electric vehicles. Everything from a smartphone to a Tesla has a substantial need for these elements, while US military technology is also dependent on them, with the F35 fighter jet requiring 417kg of rare earth metals. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 30 2023 16:13 utc | 71

The problem with “industrial policy” – like any government attempt to exercise control over production of goods and services – is that, even with the best will in the world, it incentivises producers to meet the needs of politicians and technocrats rather than consumers.
And politicians and technocrats are only very indirectly attempting to meet the needs of consumers; if that weren’t the case they wouldn’t be attempting to modify producers’ output in the first place.
Socialism (as practiced by the USSR and China before it allowed private enterprise) were famous for producing gluts and dirths of goods and services because there was no possibility of rational economic calculation, because they had no price mechanism to determine the allocation of scarce resources (materials, energy and labour).
China has done so well (in terms of GDP growth) in the last few decades because it was coming up from a very low level, the lack of minimum wage laws, environmental standards, and far fewer regulations concerning production. They also have a virtually non-existent social welfare safety net; unless family or friends intervene, you work… or you starve. So the Chinese have a very strong work ethic.

Posted by: Observer | Jun 30 2023 16:17 utc | 72

Christ on a crutch! It was a weather balloon! It doesn’t have enough lifting power to pick up one, never mind two boxcars. It’s function is to go up and collect weather data along the way (temp, air pressure, wind speed and direction, ozone concentration, etc.) and then float along recording this data until it rises high enough that the air pressure gets low enough and the balloon expands enough that it ruptures and the instrument package falls back to earth. The US versions of these things have a label on them that tells you to call a number if found and the weather service will come collect it. This is what you get when you over engineer something.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Jun 30 2023 16:28 utc | 73

@ titmouse | Jun 30 2023 10:37 utc | 17
May I suggest wing attack Plan R? You better switch on the CRM 114 for your reply.

Posted by: Squeeth | Jun 30 2023 16:31 utc | 74

The cartels pay cash for every drone that hits a big box store in the USA border towns. They are informed when they come in and the pallet is purchased the merchandise never reaches the shelves. Cartel drone flights are prolific and continuous on the border and make low level flights by law enforcement in helicopters or fixed wing quite hazardous. The drones provide fantastic intelligence for cartel drug smuggling and human trafficking operations. IMO the cartels have far far better surveillance of the border than USA authorities.

Posted by: klownswirl | Jun 30 2023 16:31 utc | 75

perhaps invest more money into development of hyper-balloons. Might turn out as THE new thing on the battlefield.

Posted by: AG | Jun 30 2023 16:41 utc | 76

Chinese balloon carrier fleet, surely soon next to your nearest news carrier.
Filled with swarm of drones and deliver those to the location.
It was a big challenge for the USAF to take it down, so apparently it seems a pretty robust and cheap platform. Some EW added to it, would make it advanced opponent. However…
It is also a sudden genocide towards apparently perceived beings sitting in UFOs, causing UAPs, not?

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2023 17:04 utc | 77

“balloon carrier fleet“
thats one for Futurama

Posted by: AG | Jun 30 2023 17:26 utc | 78

The likelihood of developing and implementing industrial policy in an economic and political system wholly owned and operated by finance capitalism is exceedingly low.
Industrial policy will require more than “market nudging” via targeted tax breaks and it would absolutely require thought on timeframes far longer than any election cycle. So what probably happens is that “industrial policy” becomes a series of targeted tax breaks that shift with politics, but always taken advantage of by finance capitalism to extract value rather than build it.
There is no way the US isn’t now looking at a near term critical shortage of munitions while a high intensity proxy conflict is raging and everyone expects another one, on the opposite side of the world. There have been no news stories about a new munitions or explosives factory that will turn our goal of 20k/month and maybe 90k/month in a year or two into a drop in the bucket. No breathless coverage by the NYT about the new military factories breathing life back into the rust belt. If it was happening it would be trumpeted for Joe Biden’s sake. It’s not happening because finance capital doesn’t give a shit about making shells, only the share price of the company that owns the company that makes the shells.
Finance capitalism and industrial policy are incompatible. Finance capitalism is only compatible with fascism, which then might be able to implement some form of industrial policy.

Posted by: Lex | Jun 30 2023 17:31 utc | 79

I doubt Xi was embarrassed. Just saw the incident as childish American chatter about nothing. Irrelevant.
Posted by: JGarbo | Jun 30 2023 9:19 utc | 5
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Of course, you are correct JGarbo. If anyone should be embarrassed, it is Joe Biden and every American who voted for this war mongering moron to be president. He spent millions tracking and then shooting down a weather balloon. Oh! The shame of it all.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 30 2023 17:56 utc | 80

The fact that this story is coming out just a week and a half after Blinken’s visit to China may also suggest that a deal was worked out to reduce tensions between the two superpowers and this story is part of that.

Posted by: mpn | Jun 30 2023 18:02 utc | 81

‘,,Finance capitalism and industrial policy are incompatible. Finance capitalism is only compatible with fascism, which then might be able to implement some form of industrial policy.” Lex@79
Wise words!

Posted by: bevin | Jun 30 2023 18:07 utc | 82

perhaps invest more money into development of hyper-balloons. Might turn out as THE new thing on the battlefield.
Posted by: AG | Jun 30 2023 16:41 utc | 76
Quantum AI Chat Balloon Loitering Drone Swarm Carrier Fleets.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 30 2023 18:10 utc | 83

Posted by: mpn | Jun 30 2023 18:02 utc | 81
the fact that the US is still warmongering against China would argue there is no agreement to reduce tensions. the fact that this story is coming out indicates that yet another warmongering lie by the Biden administration is becoming more widely known.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 30 2023 18:21 utc | 84

US Treasury Secretary Yellen is (was now?)supposed to visit China after Blinken.
Now US media hyper up the “spy balloon” again and Pentagon is to sell some $$$ extra weapons to Taiwan. All these theatrics are orchestrated to put China under great pressure so as to force China to buy more US debts and make big concessions to the US companies, esp, Wall Street banksters.

Posted by: lulu | Jun 30 2023 18:30 utc | 85

The sole purpose of the fiction of animosity to China is to divert attention from the reality of Western politicians exporting climate
changing emmissions to China.
Everybody gets rich importing from China, and the scandal of clinate change is deftly swept under vtheccarpet
Posted by: Giyane | Jun 30 2023 10:07 utc | 12
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To prove your point Giyane, the Union of Concerned Scientists have been keeping track of what countries are emitting what percentage of CO2. https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions.
For the US in 2019 it was 14%. For China it was 29%. This disparity is representative of the fact the US and the EU started exporting its high pollution industrial production to China for cheap labor and in some cases raw materials.
So Chinese workers were producing products for western consumption while American and EU workers were working in restaurants and coffee bars. The tradeoff was that the West had lower pullulation numbers and the workers are surviving on lower wages, while corporations are were making a killing in the stock market.
In China, workers and Chinese corporations were learning how to produce products for themselves and for export, increasing wages for workers, but living with higher pollution, much of which should belong to western countries.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 30 2023 18:31 utc | 86

mpn @81
US Treasury Secretary Yellen is (was now?)supposed to visit China after Blinken.
Now US media hyper up the “spy balloon” again and Pentagon is to sell some $$$ extra weapons to Taiwan. All these theatrics are orchestrated to put China under great pressure so as to force China to buy more US debts and make big concessions to the US companies, esp, Wall Street banksters.

Posted by: lulu | Jun 30 2023 18:33 utc | 87

@Posted by: JGarbo | Jun 30 2023 9:19 utc | 5
Yes, the standard Chinese response to American nonsense is bewilderment over how such incompetent, unintelligent, childish, and unserious people are capable of holding power in the west.

Posted by: Reee | Jun 30 2023 19:04 utc | 88

major bullshit projects like the over-hyped garbage in-garbage out patter recognition algorithms that are sold to the public as Artificial Intelligence.

Exactly. “AI is neither.” So says a prominent researcher, who shared that with someone I know. “AI” is just the latest post dot-com hype trap for suckers, now that NFTs (whatever they were), “the blockchain”, Web 3.0, and full-self driving were all shown to be vaporware, or nothing.

Posted by: D | Jun 30 2023 19:23 utc | 89

Reee @ 88

Yes, the standard Chinese response to American nonsense is bewilderment over how such incompetent, unintelligent, childish, and unserious people are capable of holding power in the west.

I’m not going to argue that these people aren’t stupid and vulgar by nature, but they know that and are calculatedly leveraging it to keep the Chinese off guard, throw them off their diplomatic game, they did and are doing that with the Russians too, and Iran and everyone else. Those things you mention, incompetence, stupidity, childishness, a lack of seriousness, are the Hegemon’s prerogative.
During the Cold War when the USA was in competition with communism for hearts and minds its best play was soft power, real or imitated competence, sophistication, decorum. With the End Of History the USA decided as policy that soft power was a waste of time, energy, and money.
You need to look deeper, wider, at the right thing, the stupid part isn’t the stupid and uncouth tactics but the stupid uncouth policies. That’s were their one dimensional mind reveals itself, that serious lack of vision and scope is the danger to their country and the world.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 30 2023 19:29 utc | 90

The fact that this story is coming out just a week and a half after Blinken’s visit to China may also suggest that a deal was worked out to reduce tensions between the two superpowers and this story is part of that.
Posted by: mpn | Jun 30 2023 18:02 utc | 81
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Or perhaps as compensation for Bidens “dictator” gaff. At any rate, the balloon facts were going to come out sooner or later. Republicans were going to use it in the 2024 Presidential campaign to make Biden look like the ass he is.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 30 2023 19:32 utc | 91

A U.$. made camera? Assembled in U.$.A.? do we still make anything?
Posted by: William Haught | Jun 30 2023 13:31 utc | 50
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Weapons for war and mass destruction. Does that count?

Posted by: Ed | Jun 30 2023 19:39 utc | 92

^ @ 90
Oh, want to add, the Chinese are not the least bit bewildered, I don’t think they ever were, just thrown off on how fast the relationship with the USA degraded. The Russian were bewildered, totally in 1991, bit less in 1997, but still enough until fall 2022 with the Kherson pullback. Then they wizened up fully.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 30 2023 19:41 utc | 93

The privatisation of British Rail, British water and the resulting crash of both industries is a classic real time example of Anglo-Saxon planning and priorities. The European model has now been taken over by the Anglo-Saxon model with nearly all utility companies, transport companies etc now being milked of all their assets and no investment or future planning considered.
This is reverse imperialism in practice, instead of raping 3rd World countries of their resources like in the good old days, Anglo-Saxon and European institutions are raping their own service industies and housing markets.
Capitalism existed when imperialism worked, without imperialism, Capitalism became cannibalism.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jun 30 2023 13:40 utc | 52
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The waning power of foreign imperialism is an indication of a nation suffering from late-stage capitalism. The bastards know it and that is why they want to take control of Russia.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 30 2023 19:47 utc | 94

At this point, it would be inhumane for China and Russia to allow the US continue on as is. The stupidity is mind-numbing and a great deal of the US population needs to be culled as it’s more economical than trying to reverse the indoctrination.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 30 2023 20:16 utc | 95

Aarrgh! The balloonacy is back! Just when you thought it was safe to launch hobbyist weather balloons again…
It’s got more lives than the zombie Zaluzhny…

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 30 2023 21:11 utc | 96

This whole ‘balloon game, like many others, is simply an example of using overkill on any incident to place certain ideas in the minds of sectors of the public which merge with the usual US reactions to any perceived as a threat, or geo-economic competitor.
In this particular case, Blinked simply added the cream to the narrative by publicly, and intentionally, acting like an immature jilted teenager. Simply part of indoctrination towards the odious near future norm in the US that the idea of military conflict with China is in their heads.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 30 2023 21:45 utc | 97

Not surprising that the US does not have much to say about boloon. If you have ever let seawater get into any unprotected electronics you know just what a drop of can do. Saltwater left in an HD is almost as good as full wipe, heat, and smash process.

Posted by: ATM | Jun 30 2023 22:17 utc | 98

im still waiting for the Illinois ballon club to rejoce at getting a big fat check from Uncle Scam t compensate their 250$loss

Posted by: hankster | Jun 30 2023 22:48 utc | 99

Ed@94
The process that Eoin describes is that of capitalism coming fill circle. It began with the dispossesion and immiseration of the peasantry through enclosure, the clearances and the long campaigns to dispossess the Irish people.
And then, often employing the very victims as its shock troops, for example in the forced emigrations of Irish and Scots to America, throwing up the likes of Andrew Jackson as its leaders, it is transformed into imperialism, under which the exploitation of the metropolitan poor is of their labour, while in the colonies genocide and plunder go hand in hand.
Now the capitalists are enclosing the ‘property’ that the victims of enclosure, organised as a class, built up to compensate for the loss of the means of production: the NHS, comprehensive education, unemployment and other benefits for those unable to work. And, as Eion points out, the nationalised utilities and services taken out of the hands of the profitmakers because they were critical to the welfare of all.
Now, and this has almost all happened since the Soviet Union disappeared, education is being re=privatised, the provision of water, heat, transport and other necessities have benn reyrned to the profit-takers, even the Royal Mail has been given away so that the public can be gouged the more efficiemtly.
This is cannibalism alright- which is what capitalism, the foundation of our culture always has been. It is why the poor in Glasgow die so many years earlier than those who eat them.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 30 2023 23:36 utc | 100