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June 25, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-149

Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:

Terror Alarm @Terror_Alarm – 19:35 UTC · Jun 23, 2023
🚨🇷🇺 BREAKING: Russia attacks PMC Wagner.
Moscow strikes kill a huge number of Wagner forces.
PMC Wagners are now considered Freedom Fighters and can ask the Free World for support.

Terror Alarm @Terror_Alarm – 0:59 UTC · Jun 24, 2023
🚨🇷🇺 "Wagner forces are coming to take Moscow and we are going to have a new President soon" – Wagner freedom fighters

Terror Alarm @Terror_Alarm – 18:19 UTC · Jun 24, 2023
🚨🇷🇺 Wagner terrorists reach a ceasefire deal with Moscow.

Terror Alarm @Terror_Alarm – 21:12 UTC · Jun 24, 2023
🚨🇷🇺 The moment Wagner chief terrorist Prigozhin betrays the Free World and leaves Rostov.


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Use as open (not Ukraine related) thread …

Comments

so that was an interesting 24 hours.

Posted by: Manage without me | Jun 25 2023 12:57 utc | 1

It does seem that the US government is of two minds on China.

Posted by: jared | Jun 25 2023 13:15 utc | 2

After reading the Punchline and Helmer pieces on yesterday’s drama, and having read most of yesterday’s commentariat-fest, I still don’t get:
Why did they need the Belorusian President as mediator?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 13:17 utc | 3

@Scorpion, I think that Lukashenko gave Prigozhin an out. Lukashenko has known Prigozhin for over 20 years, so there was some trust there and Lukashenko was not involved in the matters that were the alleged reason for Prigozhin’s dissatisfaction.

Posted by: Manage without me | Jun 25 2023 13:23 utc | 4

A brief piece from Sputnik: https://sputnikglobe.com/20230625/russian-deputy-foreign-minister-meets-chinese-foreign-minister-in-beijing-1111454609.html

BEIJING (Sputnik) – Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Andrey Rudenko and Chinese Foreign Minister Qin Gang exchanged views on a number of issues in Beijing on Sunday, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said.
“On June 25, 2023, a member of China’s State Council, Foreign Minister Qin Gang met with Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Rudenko in Beijing and exchanged views with him on Sino-Russian relations and international and regional issues of mutual interest,” the ministry said in a statement.
No further details of the meeting were given.

I don’t suppose they had much to talk about really…

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 25 2023 13:26 utc | 5

To keep beating the (presumably) dead horse, latest from ZH entitled: “Prigozhin ‘Exiled’ To Belarus In Exchange For Peace, Criminal Charges Dropped: What Was This All About?”
In which a juicy little conspiracy theory. It’s all about the 2024 election, stupid! The Russian election that is:

Tweet
Velina Tchakarova@vtchakarova:
This is not a coup by Prigozhin. This is an inner war between the St Petersburg gang of Putin and the Moscow gang of Gerasimov and Shoigu. This is the beginning of Putin‘s election campaign to become reelected on March 17, 2024. His lapdog Prigozhin is masquerading a coup to put the blame on Gerasimov and Shoigu for losing the war against Ukraine. Prigozhin can always be scapegoated if he fails like this has happened in the past. #geopolitics #Velsig

(Sounds a little silly, but also might satisfy RSH’s Occam’s Razor prediliction!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 13:34 utc | 6

A few here have pointed out Pat Lang’s site has been down for several days, it is now back online.
turcopolier.com

Posted by: Morongobill | Jun 25 2023 13:43 utc | 7

Posted the following at the end of a dying thread, comment #724, with one liked (thanks for your kind words ph). Apologies for the repost for the wider audience.
———
Some brain droppings:
If the regular posters here are called barflies/barflys, can the trolls be called barflees?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 25 2023 14:01 utc | 8

Happy Sunday, All!
There is a prayer which is my favorite (I say that about many of the lines from David’s Psalms, as you should know) and that is:
Make known to me the way I should go, O Lord, for I lift up my soul to Thee.
This morning, the way is forward into the new jubilee year our good friend Michael Hudson pointed to as noted in the important speech of Jesus to those in the synagogue of this small town in this small nation. Well, yes, but how is it that this important speech is valid above all others that he made, with the rest being considered unimportant or even spurious add ons by calculating followers of this man who eventually, under Pontius Pilate, was crucified?
The gospels do say that it was an important speech, indeed, but also that it was one among many. Not to be discounted, important. And we would not have it had we not the entire account in four separate tellings, each from a different hearing and recounting and reordering — so does this intricate narrative not mean something? Plus, if one says this speech is important, and it is, one surely will have to at least glance at some of the others. (As I type, a swallow has come fluttering down my alley, hovered near my face, turned and departed — “hello” I say.)
Here is a man among men in the temple of his forbears saying something that comes home to us today, and not only Prof. Hudson has taken note of the speech, but it became part of the early tradition of those who knew well its Old Testament references, with many discussions of what the jubilee year meant for tradition and how indeed it was buried by scholars from the times of the Dead Sea scrolls on — yes, down from the time of Christ this was a hard saying for those who would profit off the hard labors of others – yes, it was buried by many so-called Christian groups. Yes, he was in part crucified because of it. In part.
But there it is, at the beginning of Christ’s teachings. In the Gospels. An opening.
So, do not ignore this man. Do not say he died in vain. Even if you only consider these words he spoke.
Consider these other words as well:
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.”
(And all the rest.)
For Christians do consider that the jubilee year, the new one, is on going into our present time, never more importantly than now. And I think Michael Hudson, in all his good resolve, does as well.
This is the day which the Lord has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
End of today’s sermon. Happy Sunday!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 25 2023 14:06 utc | 9

https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2023/06/24/ukraine-war-day-486-the-prophecy-of-the-300/
You don’t need to speak Russian, but you do need to appreciate Jewish humour (which seems about the same in NY as it is in Ukraine), to enjoy this Zelensky comedy sketch take-off of the 300. In this case, it’s 300 Jewish warriors taking on the Persians (Jews in blackface). Quite funny.
Zelensky does a pitch-perfect Jewish version of King Leonidas, bargaining hilariously with a disembodied voice-in-heaven God throughout!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 14:10 utc | 10

@ Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 25 2023 14:01 utc | 8 with the MoA barflees callout from a prior thread
I had to laugh at myself after using your troll upgrade for us. As a native english speaker you might think I would know that the better english version would be barfleas instead of barflees and for years here we have used barflys as the plural when it is more correct to use barflies
So, fellow barflies, in honor of the MoA bar I suggest replacing use of troll with barfleas

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 25 2023 14:24 utc | 11

On June 12, 2023, Yevgeniy Prigozhin has published a post wherein he accused Shoygu and Gerasimov of having intentionally set up Wagner PMC troops to be slaughtered by U.S. forces during the February 2018 Battle of Khasham, ostensibly because of some sort of ego issues. Next day, I have posted my translation of Prigozhin’s post.
In an interview with SPETS published on June 19, Andrey Morozov (“Murz”) has pushed back on Prigozhin’s allegations. Here’s my translation of the relevant part of the interview:

[16:28]
Morozov: […] And the fact that he [Prigozhin — S] now started to exploit the Khasham story, saying he didn’t know that the army wouldn’t support him and that he would not have air defense, and so on and so forth, well, it’s on his conscience, what he is saying now, because the people who were there at that moment in the PMC, they absolutely unequivocally say that everyone knew there was no ISIS at that plant [Conoco plant — S], that there weren’t even a lot of Kurds there, that at that point there were mostly U.S. PMCs there, protected by the U.S. army, and therefore absolutely no assistance from the Russian army would be provided, no external air defense, no air support either—nothing. And what Prigozhin is now saying, well, many people who were near Khasham are looking at this…
Pasechnik: And in a nutshell, Andrey… Andrey, in a nutshell, what happened there? Perhaps, everyone already forgot. A lot of our guys died there, as I understand it. It was in Syria.
Morozov: Well, as for “a lot,” I have never operated with some unverified figures. I initially had information about approximately 150 killed members of our private military organizations. Over time, as they clarified to me, somewhere up to 200 people at the maximum, when counting the wounded who died later.
What happened? In early February 2018 an attempt was made to push the anti-Assad coalition away in a certain location—on the other side of the Euphrates, after it had been crossed. They decided to push it away using the forces of the Wagner PMC and attached units. As a result, they ran into a full-fledged response in the form of the use by the Americans of all the forces and means they had in that area, that is, rocket weapons, aircraft, and so on and so forth.
People who were there say that the enemy’s most effective strike lasted only about half an hour in total, and what they [Wagner media — S] are saying about a multiple-hour execution—well, there were simply not enough people there to keep killing them for so long. The semi-marching columns that were advancing in that direction—one end had already entered the battle, other end was still in marching columns—when guided munitions began to hit those marching columns, precisely hitting the cars—and since the Wagner PMC, being in some kind of conflict with Shoygu, was supplied rather poorly then from a military point of view, that is, the vehicles were overloaded with people, ammunition, weapons, everything—in fact, a few hits immediately resulted in huge losses. And literally after a half-hour strike, the enemy already got most of it, the core of the forces was destroyed, and later the PMC retreated all the way to the other side of the Euphrates. And what is now being said about this, well, this is a generalization of the already widely known newspaper conjectures, versions, and so on. In reality, it was all somewhat less grand, but of course the losses were great, because, again, the battle formation was very vulnerable, and the people who were in it, they simply didn’t expect such a set up from their leadership.
Moreover, people have reason to believe that Prigozhin was fully informed about who was in front of them, that the territory formally held by the Kurds was actually held by U.S. PMCs, and that an attempt to rock the boat there will be suppressed in the most brutal way, and that no army support would be provided. That is, who was really informed about what during that adventure is, to put it mildly, a question of debate. Well, of course, now Prigozhin, like a seasoned manipulator that he is, is twisting this story in his favor, saying that those vile parquet generals just set up those real heroes.
And, again, the same Prigozhin media that in 2018 tried to suppress this story and accused people of lying… For example, they accused Misha “Khrustalik” Polynkov of staging his interviews with the participants [of the battle — S], and so on and so forth. I immediately said then: you’ll see, times will change, there will be a differrent situation, and all these people who are now saying that the Wagner PMC does not exist, that no such massacre has occured, that nothing happened at all, a time will come, and they will become the loudest to sing praises to the unknown heroes and will even reproach us for knowing little about this story. That is, people changed their positions instantly, and what Prigozhin is saying now is, to a large extent, what Misha Polynkov and his interviewees were saying in 2018—interviews that were published without specifying who exactly the interviewees were. But now it’s all presented in a completely different way, that is, we are witnessing a manipulation of the public opinion at a massive scale. Since the public opinion is morally prepared for this manipulation, well, it will have very sad consequences.

Posted by: S | Jun 25 2023 14:35 utc | 12

Anglin’s ‘Collapse of Russia’ take at Unz:

How this will affect Russia and the war effort in the longer run, I do not know. I think there should be an increased desire to escalate, and Putin is definitely not going to want to look weak after all of this, so he will probably back a move toward “total war” or as I like to call it “Blitzkrieg.”
Yesterday, I said that Putin’s legitimacy would be gone if it wasn’t solved in 12 hours, and 8 hours after I said that, it was solved. So I do not think he’s lost legitimacy. It looks bad, but not so bad he’d need to resign.
I do think the fact that so many people would back Prigozhin in his insane plan shows that there is a very real desire for Putin to get more aggressive in the Ukraine, and that has to be taken into account.
….Really, this was truly a weird 36 hours.

That last emboldened sentence makes a solid point.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 14:41 utc | 13

Scorpion @3: “Why did they need the Belorusian President as mediator?”
Because the Russians, and by extension the Belarusians, still need something like Wagner, but some factions in Russia (neolibs would be my guess) wanted them chained to the MoD.
I would bet we will see a rebirth of Wagner, only based out of Belarus.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 25 2023 14:41 utc | 14

The Zelensky “treason” article is interesting. Even before 14th May – according to Zelensky – Russia was looking for a way to incriminate Prigozhin for his links to the GRU.

Posted by: BM | Jun 25 2023 14:46 utc | 15

Sanctions! Shopping in Russia!
The Russian Parliament signed a bill allowing ‘parallel’ imports right at the start of the sanctions. So some goods just cost more because there is an intermediary. Order stuff delivered to Belarus, then sent on, etc.
Hundreds, if not thousands of cos. declared they were leaving Russia, bye bye, Russia Putin Evil…
— Some Cos. did sell.
Prime exs. are MacDonalds (allmost all franchises anyway, so ..) which was bought by an Oligarch. So the name of the resto changed, and some of the menu items were re-labelled (‘Big Mac’ is a registered brand.) This contract contains a buy-back clause (imho – paper is not public) valid for 10 years.
Starbucks was sold to some Russian media figure + an oligarch. The fare is identical, the venue is now called STARS and has a Russian girl as logo in same color, design, etc. as previous. Here, the only loosers are the US Cos. and their suppliers, employees, shareholders, etc.
— Some Cos. sold their Russian operations to China. China skims for sure?
— Some Cos. closed for a while, and then just re-opened, when the ‘fuss’ died down. One ex. is Benetton, who has made no bones about expanding in Russia. BENTLEY has a show room in Central Moscow to this day…
— Some new-name stores sell the prestigious products. 50 or more (my est.) esteemed ‘foreign brands’ are sold in Russia with no probs. Incl. Chanel, Gucci, Rolex, DeBeers, Lalique, Kitchen Aid, Hermes, Calvin Klein, intimissimi, Armani, etc.
— MSM does not report, *part* of my info comes from vids where you are shown the labels, the products:
Real Reporter
https://tinyurl.com/mtsxw3e2
Russel walks around LUX Moscow district
https://tinyurl.com/mtnwdnkz
So, the W. World, hyped up Globalist Trade, the US first of all, outsourcing manufacturing, creating Global Cos. (MacDos and the like) earning a ton of money, and then suddenly, a kind of sent-to-Coventry – no speak, no deal, drive to quash – what? who? .. some rival, some hated enemy, we can’t touch them, sell to them, the horrors, etc.
How could anyone imagine the ‘sanctions’ in long standing trade of goods, particularly LUX brands (many rich ppl own shares) would work?

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 25 2023 14:58 utc | 16

Doubt that many patriotic Russians are wearing NATO country brands luxury or not in public these days. Kinda like no one wears a fur coat on Fifth Avenue anyone.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2023 15:07 utc | 17

That’s a lot of young fighting age males in shorts and flip flops getting selfies with Prigo in Rostov. If you had believed the western media you might have thought they’d all been forcibly conscripted by now.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 15:31 utc | 19

thanks b.. funny how terrorist can switch so easily into freedom fighter…. these plays on words are very popular.. thanks for the links and the week at moa!
@ Noirette | Jun 25 2023 14:58 utc | 16
thanks… i have never been a fan of ”brands”…. you pay multiple times more for something because of a label.. i suppose this defines the world today and the level of stupidity that goes with it..

Posted by: james | Jun 25 2023 15:32 utc | 20

@ sln2002 | Jun 25 2023 15:22 utc | 18
re: Okinawa governor’s China visit
The 1943 Cairo Declaration included that the “Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku, and such minor islands as we determine.”
That was when China was a US ally, but later Article 3 of the San Francisco treaty left the Bonin Islands, Volcano Islands (including Iwo Jima), and the Ryukyu Islands, which included Okinawa and the Amami, Miyako and Yaeyama Islands groups, under a U.N. trusteeship.
Later the Ryukyu Islands islands including Okinawa,, which are about midway between Japan and China (Taiwan), were awarded to Japan by the US/UN much to China’s displeasure.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2023 15:52 utc | 21

Posted by: james | Jun 25 2023 15:32 utc | 20
Not only that but now with advanced Chinese manufacturing and reverse “engineering” techniques there are completely indistinguishable fakes for most top lux brands floating around. If an expert struggles to tell the difference… That is for people who care about brands but maybe not as much about paying thousands of dollars for a purse.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 15:53 utc | 22

re: ‘brands’
Reverse product copy techniques have gone on forever, and why not. Just reinvent the wheel! It’s to our benefit, after all.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2023 16:12 utc | 23

The story about falling math and reading scores is very important not only because of the clear failure of schools to properly educate young people but also for the state of US society. I have a good friend who teaches in a middle school with a mixture of Hispanic and “black” students. Fights, drug dealing, and prostitution (in middle school mind you) are a normal part of the school culture. My friend likes all this because he likes edgy situations and can handle them. I’ve also heard many stories over the years about the public school systems from educators and have sent my own children and a step-child to school. My conclusion is that the system is systemically corrupt like most US institutions (medicine, military, politics, the law and so on).
The system is top heavy with administrators who, to be blunt, mainly work bullshit jobs, and are rotting from the bottom as well with “woke” teachers and their corrupt unions. In addition, we are stuck with a hedonistic (no rules) popular culture that spread stupidity, ignorance, drama, and every sort of vice as virtue. The kids see this and are increasingly torn. On the one hand they may want to “advance” in society, get good paying-jobs so they can conspicuously consume products and service, but on the other hand want pleasure and status now.
School could change things but the subjects and teaching methods have little to do with reality or cognitive science. There is a lot of solid evidence of how children learn and what they can learn and when it is appropriate for the to learn those things yet this science is almost always ignored by administrators and teachers who are content to do what was always done (but not as rigorously) in the upper-middle-class suburbs and struggle just to keep students from hurting other students and teachers in the lower class areas. I have seen the results directly. We are, today, a society where the younger generations are no longer misinformed but not informed about anything of consequence. They live in a social media world of fantasies aided by drugs of all kinds that slam their fragile systems this way and that (btw, I’m in favor of drug legalization but I oppose bad uses of drugs but that requires a coherent culture).
I urge all people who can to homeschool your children or send them to more schools that actually educate children (they exist but are rare).

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jun 25 2023 16:12 utc | 24

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 15:53 utc | 22
good point! i had forgotten to mention that… i am always surprised at people advertising for corporations… weird phenom in our present culture, that goes with all the other weird behaviour i suppose!
music! john taylor was an english jazz piano player who died in 2017 i think.. this is a recording he did with his 2 sons and a tuba player.. i dig the energy and vibe, but i am into comtemporary jazz, so it is not for everyone..
john taylor 2081

Posted by: james | Jun 25 2023 16:19 utc | 25

i suppose the grasping for labels is because people want to ”fit in”… i can’t explain it any other way..

Posted by: james | Jun 25 2023 16:22 utc | 26

juliania | Jun 25 2023 14:06 utc | 9–
I hadn’t heard a sermon in decades until yours. Very well put! I’d always wondered how you’d interpret Hudson’s revelations about what happened to the early Christian church, and I see you’ve learned and retained your faith–Brava!
S | Jun 25 2023 14:35 utc | 12–
Thanks for providing that as it adds crucial context to the event.
Don Bacon | Jun 25 2023 15:52 utc | 21–
Thanks for that info. I wasn’t aware of those deals before.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 16:23 utc | 27

Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 25 2023 14:01 utc | 8
“If the regular posters here are called barflies/barflys, can the trolls be called barflees?”
That, or barf-flies.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jun 25 2023 16:26 utc | 28

Lavrov is again asked his assessment of demented people:

Question: President Biden said that “the threat of Russia’s use of nuclear weapons is real.” How do you assess this?
Sergey Lavrov: It is difficult for me to comment on what US President Joe Biden has been saying lately. As well as other observers who are wondering how to interpret all this. Now I would not attach too much importance to verbal escapades that have no foundation.
Question: Recently, Vladimir Zelensky made a statement that if Russian President Vladimir Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the world will find a way to eliminate them.
Sergey Lavrov: This is an even more turbulent stream of consciousness. I can’t comment on these things. I do not have a medical education. W. von der Leyen has it.
Question: Why do we, defending our interests, fall under the gun? In any case, verbal.
Sergey Lavrov: I cannot be responsible for the psychological state of people who repeatedly prove their inadequacy every day.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 16:27 utc | 29

@Chris Cosmos | Jun 25 2023 16:12 utc | 24
re: School could change things but the subjects and teaching methods have little to do with reality or cognitive science.
Yes.
education — the process of receiving or giving systematic instruction, especially at a school or university. . .the process of teaching or learning,
This has led to a one-size-fits-all system of standardized lessons and testing, which turns off most students.
But education comes from the Latin educere, meaning ‘to draw out’ the pupil. That is to say, true education is less about what you put into the student, and more about what you draw out of them. Everybody’s different, as the saying goes and it’s true. The concept of multiple intelligences is a theory proposed by Harvard psychologist Howard Gardner who identified eight intelligences, and there are probably more. That’s why standardized teaching and testing fail. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2023 16:35 utc | 30

For those who never saw this yesterday on the open thread then in existence because of the avalanche of vomit on the Prigozhin thread, I again supply Alastair Crooke’s al-Maydeen column and the short comment I made about it:
“BRICS++: The West tries playing ‘catch-up’, but it’s too late.” Within his column he cites and links to a two+ week-old essay by Jim Richards that exposes a somewhat recently imagined method to rapidly dethrone Dollar Hegemony. I ran that idea by Dr. Hudson several days ago when I first learned of it and he was very enthused.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 16:37 utc | 31

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”
–The First Global Revolution, 1990, by The Club of Rome
The EU and The UN have drawn up plans for global digital ID to “fight disinformation” by requiring the digital ID for accessing the Internet as part of the Sustainable Development Goals (SDG) of The UN’s Agenda 2030, which is supposedly for fighting global warming, etc. From To Agenda 2030 and Beyond

Posted by: Kali El | Jun 25 2023 16:38 utc | 32

Here’s a very curious Tweet with a short video that raises yet more questions about yesterday’s event.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 16:43 utc | 33

Thanks b for another week in review. And thanks to the commentariat for all the posts on that coup/non-coup. (Haven’t read them all, not even close, but enough.)
On the Middle East, b, I keep waiting for you to bring up Raisi’s recent trip to Latin America and the Caribbean. I kind of assumed there was a good reason for not posting about that, so I thought I wouldn’t say anything either. If it was in the comments, I missed it, my apologies!
On the coup, The Beaverton tweeted the following quip: “Kremlin explains nation-wide internet outage not coup, just Rogers” on the TSE, ticker RCI.B
Trudeau is in Iceland for the Nordic Council.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 25 2023 16:50 utc | 34

Terror Alarm @Terror_Alarm – 21:12 UTC · Jun 24, 2023
🚨🇷🇺 The moment Wagner chief terrorist Prigozhin betrays the Free World and leaves Rostov.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 25 2023 16:59 utc | 35

@karloff 33
It’s all over Telegram and obviously a joke.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 25 2023 17:01 utc | 36

news report – Asia Times
On June 21, the US entered summer 2023 with multiple foreign policy challenges impacting each other and yet to be handled on their own. They all spin around China.
The most important and tricky one is the visit to Washington of India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi. For him, President Joseph Biden has rolled out the red carpet. Modi is expected to be to Biden almost what Mao in 1972 was to Nixon: a game-changer in a Cold War – then against Russia, now about China.//
Game-changer? India has more people and speaks English, then what. Unlike in the United States and China, India’s electric vehicle market is dominated by two-wheel vehicles instead of four-wheel passenger cars. China and the US have freeways, India has two-lane roads. Also on ppp basis, GDP of China is 2.38x of India. Plus India has serious interior problems, given the untouchables and Muslims who are discriminated against.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2023 17:06 utc | 37

And an intelligent military maskirovka take from Awful Avalance, back in the real world after a day spent with his Jewish Spartans ably led by Elensky:
https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/

Berdiev went on to say, that under the current circumstances, a normal person wouldn’t even think about mutiny, the thought should never even enter his head: “During the time of the Special Operation, to shoot your own people in the back – that’s the worst thing that could ever happen. Prigozhin has already earned himself a criminal sentence from 12-20 years. I would even support hanging such a person who, in such difficult times, is going against his own people, against his own army!”
The Mufti was even further aggravated by the thought, how much Russia’s enemies are enjoying this spectacle. “They laugh at us! They are having too much fun.”
Then, towards the end of the day, we learned that the mutineers had standed down and “returned to base”. Prigozhin will retire to Belorussia to live off his generous pension, while the rest of the Wagners will join the Russian army.
Meanwhile, under the full view of American satellites, X number of Wagner battalions have reployed in columns from DPR/LPR to somewhere in the Kharkov neighborhood. While Y number of Chechen battalions have deployed to the staging area of Rostov-on-Don, for further deployment to the Donbass. All of this, I repeat, under the full view of American satellites who thought that they were watching something else.

That also fits an Occam’s Razor profile….

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 17:16 utc | 38

Re the Congress Redux article:
Both the Congress and Modi’s BJP are right wing capitalist parties which cater to Hindu fundamentalism. The only difference is that the BJP is owned by Indian corporate entities (Adani, Ambani, Tatas) while the Congress and its useless and unelectable Rahul Gandhi is pitching himself for the role of Soros colour revolution puppet and is owned by people with dubious loyalties to India, like Sunak’s father in law Narayana Murthy. Besides, the Congress has one major problem: it is the personal property of the Gandhi dynasty and no non dynastic person, no matter how able, will ever rise beyond a certain level. The Mallikarjun Kharge mentioned, for example, is a dynastic rubber stamp selected because at his advanced age he can pose no threat to the dynasty.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 25 2023 17:16 utc | 39

The US extends its ‘disinformation’ i.e. propaganda effort to other countries, funded by the NED/CIA. Philippines is included, as it becomes more important anti-China wise.
. . .from the Manila Times —
VERA Files appears to be part of an international network of self-declared media “fact-checkers” coordinated and supported by a US State Department unit called the Global Engagement Center (GEC), the Americans’ newest propaganda outfit.
While organized way back in 2010, Vera Files started getting funds from the US government-funded National Endowment for Democracy only in 2017. This was after the GEC was created through the Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act passed by the US Congress in 2016. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2023 17:25 utc | 40

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 25 2023 14:41 utc | 14
Scorpion @3: “Why did they need the Belorusian President as mediator?”
Because the Russians, and by extension the Belarusians, still need something like Wagner, but some factions in Russia (neolibs would be my guess) wanted them chained to the MoD.
I would bet we will see a rebirth of Wagner, only based out of Belarus.
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Very convenient, isn’t it, that he happens to lead a country that is technically outside RF jurisdiction and yet is quasi joined at the hip with Mother Russia.
Well, I don’t really care, che sera sera and all that, but they sure put on a show yesterday, didn’t they? And trying to figure out how the puzzle fits together is fun which is why so many chimed in. The very fact there were so many comments is testament to the fact that something very unusual went down prompting so many of us to get into the guessing game.
Meanwhile stumbled on a strangely delightful music channel which hearkens back to a European sensitivity and playfulness that am beginning to feel is on the way out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NDORZHrjeI
A Classical musician’s first take on Genesis’s Firth of Fifth.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 17:31 utc | 41

Posted by: jared | Jun 25 2023 13:15 utc | 2:

It does seem that the US government is of two minds on China.

Nah! US Gov is of One Single Mind on China: Clip China’s growth in the bud! In a position of weakness these days, however, they are dappling with two prone tactics of soft-talks and sneaky harsh comments mostly intended for domestic self-fooling, hoping such tactics doesn’t hurt but still gain cookie points. It’s like pulling wool over one’s own head. It looks silly and it reflects the level of competence of modern era American snakes in US Gov.
Hope you ain’t being fooled.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 25 2023 18:09 utc | 42

@ Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 17:31 utc | 41
genesis was a great band! i got to see them live when they came to vancouver, but after gabriel had left.. i enjoyed reading phil collins autobiography where he discusses early genesis.. that was quite interesting to read… genesis was one of a cluster of prog rock bands that i followed and totally dug..

Posted by: james | Jun 25 2023 18:10 utc | 43

@ S | Jun 25 2023 14:35 utc | 12
thanks also for sharing that.. it gives a broader context for all of this..

Posted by: james | Jun 25 2023 18:12 utc | 44

I guess it was moving to the States in ’74 but I went from Genesis and Yes to Blood on the Tracks and now still love Dylan (esp. Modern Times, one of his best ever) but that old prog rock British stuff I find hard to listen to. But at the time it was really neat – but so were many British sounds back then. The Supper’s Ready side of Foxtrot I found seriously mind-blowing but was only on wine and camembert in a chateau in the Loir et Cher at the time. I guess it opened me up to more hard core times with still-potent acid a few months later in Florence hanging out with an always-stoned hippy commune selling cheap jewelry on the Ponte Vecchio.
Meanwhile back in the real world, Rolo Slavsky whose substack I get but rarely read, has quite a few interesting things to say about yesterday. He’s a hard read for those who worship Putin, but I think even if you do it’s good to hear what detractors or critics think and I get the feeling that along with hyberbole and speculation Rolo has a better feel for insider hardball in Russia than most English-language writers.
https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/prigozhin-wins-the-smo-lives-to-fight

So, while Prigozhin was unable to topple the Kremlin, he clearly was able to bring them to the negotiating table again. You have to imagine just how bad the situation was for them to agree to these humiliating talks at all, mediated by Lukashenko no less, who is hated intensely in the Kremlin. Yes indeed, the Kremlin publicly shit its pants and the stink is starting to waft across the country and abroad. To those who have been paying attention, we found out that:
the Kremlin was so belligerent, so incompetent and so beholden to petty personal interests that it almost caused a civil war in the country
the Kremlin is so weak and can be forced to negotiated by a skeleton crew of only 4k men out of 20k and their bold mercenary captain
the Kremlin is reactive, always, and never pro-active, which the shills reporting on this conflict have done a good job of covering up to this point
As for the latest and newest secret peace treaty, we don’t know what the terms in it are and unless Luka leaks it like he did the Kiev-Moscow “Stab-in-the-Back Concordat” we probably never will.
If I know anything about Hominus Kremlinoidicus though, they are simply biding their time to gather their forces, consolidate and move to punish Prigozhin when they are ready, who appears to be safe in Belarus at this moment. In other words, we will soon be treated to Rebellion Round II – Revenge of the Regent Ruler on pay-per-view.
Now, speaking of the regent-in-chief, Shoigu isn’t going anywhere, obviously. And we don’t need Peskov’s indignant squeaking to tell us that:
Personnel changes in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation after the armed rebellion of the owner of a private army, Yevgeny Prigozhin, were not discussed during the negotiations. This was told to journalists by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.
“Personnel changes in the Ministry of Defense during the negotiations with Prigozhin were not discussed,” Peskov told reporters. He also stressed that he was unaware of changes in the relationship between Russian President Vladimir Putin and representatives of the Defense Ministry.
To take down Shogun Shoigu would mean taking down Emperor Putin, unfortunately. And Prigozhin pulled the classic “rebelling against the Emperor in the name of the Emperor” maneuver and never uttered a word against Putin during the whole SMO. Like the Emperors of Japan, “The Putin” is largely a ceremonial, religious and sacred figure in Russia. It is his ministers and officials and boyars who mislead him, sadly. If The Putin only knew the truth, he would side with us, his patriotic subjects. Maybe if we rebel, he will see just how much we support him …
No, I am not being sarcastic.
This blog is unabashedly pro-Putin and always has been and always will be right up to the point when Putin is overthrown and a statue put up in his honor by his usurper and beyond that point as well through to the heat death of the universe. The confusion arises from the fact that you and I understand what the institute known to Russians only as “The Putin” differently. Let me explain it in terms that I think you would understand.

You have to read on yourselves to find out more what he thinks of President P….

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 18:21 utc | 45

Patrick Lancaster on the streets of Rostov-on-Don with the “Heroic Rock Stars” .. er … The Wagner Group [15 mins] inc a few words with Prigozen .. MUST View
With Wagner “Coup” Leaving Russia (Exclusive Prigozhin) Special Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qvFQJEyjwA

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 25 2023 18:33 utc | 46

karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 16:27 utc | 29
Lavrov is dry with his wit, but very funny nonetheless and accurate. This includes describing Zelensky as possessing a “turbulent stream of consciousness”. Diplomatic-speak for “unhinged cocaine rants”, no?
Zelensky’s tweet yesterday was an epitome of free-floating turbulence:
“First, the world should not be afraid. We know what protects us. Our unity. Ukraine will definitely be able to protect Europe from any Russian forces, and it doesn’t matter who commands them. We will protect. The security of Europe’s eastern flank depends only on our defense.
Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainian guns, Ukrainian tanks, Ukrainian missiles are all that protect Europe from such marches as we see today on Russian territory. And when we ask to give us the F-16 fighters or the ATACMS, we’re enhancing our common defense. Real defense…
We will defend our country. We will defend our freedom. We will not be silent and we will not be inactive. We know how to win – and it will happen. Our victory in this war.”

Posted by: jayc | Jun 25 2023 18:51 utc | 47

Declan Hayes writes another pointed article for SCF, “Women War Criminals: A Vital Cog in NATO’s Plans of World Conquest”. Many imbedded links as usual. A taster:

Because the Nazis believed that a woman’s place was in the home, if not otherwise engaged in securing one of their many concentration camps, they were shocked when they first captured female Red Army soldiers, whom they summarily dispatched. Although test pilot Hanna Reitsch was a valuable servant of the Reich, and the women pilots of the Royal Romanian Air Force performed virtual miracles on Hitler’s Eastern Front, women, as such, barely figured even as an after-thought in Herr Hitler’s grand plans of conquest.
NATO makes no such mistake. Whether it is Ukrainian lesbians entertaining MI5’s John Sweeney; or American war criminal Victoria Nuland being exposed executing the overthrow of democratic Ukraine; or Swedish child moron Greta Thunberg trying to excuse Ukraine’s war crimes, whilst ignoring the Nordstream outrage; or Hillary Clinton boasting she had Libya’s leader sodomised and murdered, women are vital assets to NATO’s criminal empire.
Although those mentioned above are but a tiny cross-sample of a much bigger pool of human filth, we could add in such morons as Albion’s Liz Truss, American hypocrite Kamala Harris, White House airhead Karine Jeane-Pierre, ”socialite” Ghislaine Maxwell and countless other ventriloquists’ dummies to the mix, that would make this article too unwieldy. Much the same would apply were we to spend too much time on Ukrainian sex pervert Vladimir Zelensky or the child sex and organ trafficking businesses that are such an integral part of NATO’s business model not only in his rump Reich but nearer at home, in the belly of the Yankee beast as well. The point is, that no matter where we look in NATO’s fetid swamp, such women are up to their sordid necks in NATO’s criminality.

I do suggest it be read, not just for the above paragraphs but those that follow like this one:
“NATO picks a target, be it Syria, Russia or Libya and, like a pack of wolves stalking its prey, arrays its propaganda arms for best effect and irrespective of what the facts on the ground may be. The Taliban’s supposed suppression of Afghan women justifies NATO invading Afghanistan and raping those same women and their daughters and grand daughters. Saddam Hussein’s support for Palestinian women justifies NATO destroying Iraq, looting its museums, gang-raping its children and systematically torturing its citizens in American holding pens. You get the picture: NATO is a criminal organisation on a par with the worst elements of Hitler’s Third Reich.”
Can’t argue with that last sentence, although I’m sure some barfleas might try.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 18:59 utc | 48

jayc | Jun 25 2023 18:51 utc | 47–
Thanks for your reply. Of course, the following really no longer exist: “Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainian guns, Ukrainian tanks, Ukrainian missiles;” so, there’s really nothing to “protect Europe;” and anything else added to the fray will go the way of all those earlier Ukrainian things.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 19:04 utc | 49

“In a dramatic reversal of fortune, a key Congressional committee in Peru has effectively blocked a draft law, labeled the “Genocide Bill” by Peru’s Indigenous people for the calamitous effects it would have had if approved.
The bill had been progressing through Congress, but the vote by the Decentralization Committee will now prevent it progressing any further.”
https://dissidentvoice.org/2023/06/peru-genocide-bill-scrapped-as-indigenous-people-claim-victory/

Posted by: Die Niemands… | Jun 25 2023 19:26 utc | 50

Western MSM are now beginning to circulate commentaries about the difficulties that the German economy will be facing, for years to come they say. Geez, what enlightenment! This is stuff that barflies here were talking, predicting, and mocking since early days of SMO back in 2022. I assume barflies here are smarties, but aren’t so the leaders of Europe/Germany??? How can they not see this? How pitiful can they get, all over western Europe, aka EU/NATO, saying idiot rants and sniffing Empire’s moon like canines in heat. As far as I can tell, these idiots are still of the same mentality as Feb. 2022 as of yesterday, predicting Russia’s demise per the Wagner mutiny.
How can Europeans be SO STUPID!!! When are they going to raise issues regarding Nord Stream II and other related economic hardships? Are they going to continue biting their tongues just because they believe the Yanks/Anglos don’t want to hear such ramblings???

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 25 2023 19:34 utc | 51

Here is the link to MSM commentary yesterday that I referred to in #51:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/germany-in-a-major-economic-crisis-the-country-s-leaders-are-thinking-of-solutions/ar-AA1d0rKY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c065da9048b84133a5a62cc38965fc4c&ei=6
Yapayapaduda!!!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 25 2023 19:36 utc | 52

We haven’t heard everything yet in this whisky bar, but the same slapping of economic faces that Germans are facing will spread all across western Europe, for years to come!!!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 25 2023 19:39 utc | 53

Happy Dragon Boat Festival to all. A bit late, but what the heck, have a happy aftermath.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 25 2023 19:41 utc | 54

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 18:59 utc | 48
You get the picture: NATO is a criminal organisation on a par with the worst elements of Hitler’s Third Reich.”
Can’t argue with that last sentence, although I’m sure some barfleas might try.
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I’ll bite, but it’s only a vocabulary niggle.
NATO is indeed a nasty piece of work but is portrayed as an Alliance of democratic nations whose leadership authentically represents the interests of their people. From that notion many – including barflies – project onto ordinary people or ethnicities the psychopathic tendencies of those really pulling the strings who remain hidden from view.
So the NATO discussed and imagined in articles such as this does not truly exist as such, and indeed referring to it as if it does serves to provide cover, further enabling those elites’ ability to keep evading scrutiny or accountability.
Of course, NATO isn’t the only such cover. There are many others, like the corporation known as the United States of America, the Federal Reserve, BlackRock and so many more.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 19:59 utc | 55

Pentagon Searching MEAN TWEETS About US Generals | Breaking Points
https://youtu.be/fKuyqvWTwwk

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 25 2023 20:12 utc | 56

roll slavsky sounds like the tiny group of atlanticists quislings that the u$$a and vassals cling to like the u$$a clung to the diem family in Saigon 1962. the same denial of the needs of 99% of the russian people in the way of the u$$a evil empire.
too many here spout atlanticist quisling malarky as if it were worth thermonuclear exchange.
maybe it is to the deluded .01%

Posted by: paddy | Jun 25 2023 21:21 utc | 57

Blinken confesses to being clueless and led by one who’s even more clueless, “‘He Speaks For Us All’: Blinken Defends Biden’s ‘Dictator’ Remark on Xi”:

Biden administration officials have made it clear that the US president’s “dictator” comment regarding his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping was by no means a “gaffe.”
“The president speaks clearly. He speaks candidly. I’ve worked for him for more than 20 years, and he speaks for all of us,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken told the US press on Sunday. “It’s very clear that when it comes to China, we are going to do and say things that they don’t like. They are going to do and say things that we don’t like.”

I very seriously doubt Biden will be invited to China, nor will Sullivan, Blinken, or any other member of Team Biden. All the world gets from them are lies and projection. China should continue to deal with the Outlaw US Empire’s lower ranks over issues of trade and such, but any other meeting will be a waste of time better spent elsewhere.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 21:53 utc | 58

Fun little article on The Blob/Borg/Deep State and conspiratorial thinking.
https://scheerpost.com/2023/06/25/a-wild-conspiratorial-fantastical-view-of-world-politics-might-it-be-true/
The excerpt below follows an introduction to the “The Controllers”, the cabal of mixed business interests, dynasties and D.C.

The Controllers believed their adversary had been knocked out when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Under Clinton, the U.S. violated its agreements with Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev by starting to push NATO eastward to the Russian border. But Putin and his cohorts brought Russia back in the 2000s while the U.S. was tied up in its failed “War on Terror,” aimed mainly at controlling Western Asian oil.
Meanwhile, China moved to the forefront as an economic powerhouse after the U.S. spent decades trying to preempt it by making it a manufacturing colony. Today, Russia and China are breaking away from U.S. control and are establishing a multipolar structure that rejects U.S. dominance. Particularly at risk is the exalted role of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. Once dollar hegemony is gone, so is the primary mechanism of world control.
With the looming defeat of the U.S. in its proxy war against a Russia backed by China in Ukraine, panic has set in, with the danger of escalation toward World War III. As it anticipates this war, the U.S. is trying to complete its subjugation of the EU as its willing vassal, with the focus on Germany. Of course, the U.S. is still trying to exert control of China, the ultimate target.
In order to fight World War III, a compliant U.S. president must be in office, ready to rubber-stamp decisions. Hillary Clinton was to have been that president after 2016. But out of nowhere, Donald J. Trump emerged. Trump was not interested in leading the U.S. into World War III. Nor were the Americans who elected him. Trump is a businessman. He wanted to lead the U.S. into renewed prosperity as part of the multipolar world, with Russia and China as legitimate trading partners—perhaps rivals, but not enemies. This is what opened Trump to charges of “collusion” with Russia.
The Controllers and the Deep State knew all this and were determined to stop it. The day after Trump was elected, the takedown began. “Russiagate” was trotted out by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party establishment, including former Obama aides. Next, through media propaganda and manipulation of events, Trump was set up and impeached, but this failed when the Senate did not convict.
Next came the Covid pandemic, through which Trump awkwardly maneuvered without being fatally weakened. It was the Covid relief payments that prevented social and political collapse. Trump’s defeat in the 2020 election by Joe Biden ensued, but when Trump refused to go quietly, the January 6 “insurrection” was likely instigated. But he still refused to shut up and fade away. He decided to run against Biden in 2024, and has been leading all Republican contenders.
But neither have the Controllers and Deep State given up. The charges in New York, the DOJ indictments, and more investigations in progress are part of a slow-moving assassination plot against Trump that has been ongoing for the last seven years.
Tucker Carlson dates the beginning of the plot to the Republican candidates’ debate in Greenville, SC, on February 16, 2016, when Trump said we never should have been in Iraq when we went to war in 2003. Trump said the U.S. “destabilized the Middle East.” He said, “They lied. There were no weapons of mass destruction. They knew there were none.” To be fair, in his June 13, 2023, broadcast, Tucker Carlson did not use the word “assassination.”n But he did say that the intent was for Trump to die in prison. So I think “assassination” is a fair word.
Regarding the 2024 presidential election, the only individual the Controllers and Deep State have to cling to is the corrupt, doddering Joe Biden, with enough baggage to sink an ocean liner. Even more laughable is his parody of a vice president, Kamala Harris.
But also appearing out of nowhere is a legitimate rival to the Biden/Harris comedy team in Robert F. Kennedy Jr., scion of the family that earlier stood in the way of Controller/Deep State rule but whose stalwarts were blotted out by assassinations–JFK, RFK, and, yes, I believe, JFK, Jr.
All the foregoing should be seen against the observation that the Controllers/Deep State will stop at nothing in trying to destroy anyone who stands in their way in furthering their project of ruling the world now and forever.
But cracks have been appearing in their façade for over a decade, the most glaring being the 2007-2008 financial collapse, the failure of the “War on Terror,” punctuated by Biden’s 2021 flight from Afghanistan, and now the Ukraine fiasco. With the images of Joe and Hunter Biden, overlaid by those of Kamala Harris, Victoria Nuland, and Volodymyr Zelensky, as the public faces of the clique of plutocrats and gangsters who rule over us, we gain a new appreciation of the gravity and danger of the present moment.
To return to Trump, he brought the “War on Terror” at least to the stage of winding down. Cutting funding for ISIS in Syria, ordering plans to evacuate Afghanistan, and his refusal to implement his advisers’ intent to bomb Iran may testify to his reluctance to march in lockstep with the Controllers’ program. Trump’s
advisers openly bragged about refusing to obey his orders to pull troops from Syria. Whether he was fully cognizant of the subversion of the Minsk agreements by the coup-installed government of Ukraine and its NATO/Neocon consiglieri appears questionable.
Back to the latest indictments, the entire concept of “classified” documents is a trap resembling flypaper, ideal for ensnaring those ignorant of the danger in handling them. By some estimates, fifty million documents are given the “classified” stamp each year, with the stamp being used selectively to send its victims to prison.
But until we see the contents of the documents in Trump’s possession and gain a fair assessment of exactly how their misuse by him aided and abetted our “enemies,” the indictment is objectively meaningless. Of course, by definition the documents are verboten to the hoi polloi such as ourselves, so we will never see them. Yet the indictments may serve their purpose, which is to lock up Trump for the rest of his life.
Trump is being prosecuted under the Espionage Act, a 1917 relic of World War I first used by the Woodrow Wilson government to jail its political opponents, including Socialist Party leader Eugene Debs, who ran for president in 1920 from a prison cell. Modern victims of actual or threatened prosecution have included Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, and now Trump. Under the Espionage Act, actual damage to national security does not have to be proven. It’s just a case of damage becoming hypothetically more possible.
Of course, Trump had the opportunity to pardon Assange and others but failed to do so. Now it’s his turn.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 21:56 utc | 59

I see TASS is reporting that PM Trudeau spoke with Zelensky upon arrival in Iceland. They report Zelensky’s remarks.
https://tass.com/world/1638203
I say, let’s see what La Presse is reporting Trudeau spoke with Biden too.
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/2023-06-25/sommet-en-islande/justin-trudeau-va-rencontrer-les-dirigeants-des-pays-nordiques.php
Worst air quality in the world in Montréal today, smoke warnings over Ottawa too. Forest fires, don’t you know. Pretty hazy pictures from above today. Keep your drones at home.
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/grand-montreal/2023-06-25/montreal-ville-a-la-pire-qualite-de-l-air-au-monde.php

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 25 2023 22:03 utc | 60

This whole bit about Trump pardoning Assange is reliant on one major assumption. That *his* Justice Department – where it had refused to do so under Obama – indicted Julian Assange either without his knowledge or did so against his wishes. I find that to be specious bullshit considering what was said in various courtroom hearings in London, and the statements of Trump himself (of which one in particular was referenced under oath in the aforementioned courtroom).
Trump (and Obama) don’t have supporters or voters – they have fans. Both mens’ fans seem particularly able to ignore key bits of evidentiary reality in service to their fawning admiration and blind faith in them.
Trump indicted Assange using the Espionage Act. Now Trump finds himself indicted under the same act with the distinction being the use of ‘flypaper’ to nab him.
At the end of the day, BOTH men – and many others – should be pardoned with Assange coming first – and the Espionage Act should be repealed henceforth. But I sincerely doubt any of that will happen, and that’s where our author hits the nail on the head. The Controllers get what The Controllers want, or everyone else pays. Dearly.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 22:04 utc | 61

Another fringe take:
https://headlineusa.com/putin-leftist-media-collude-hunter/
SELLERS: Putin, Leftist Media Collude to Push Hunter Out of Headlines
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Unlikely, but what isn’t these days. In any case, there is imagined truth, perceived truth, probable truth, probable falsehood and so forth. In the realm of subjective perception – which is the one anything political dwells in – there is no such thing as ‘objective truth,’ though there are many truth which serve various preconceived objectives.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2023 22:06 utc | 62

The genocide in Occupied Palestine continues, “Israeli settler violence in West Bank continues for fifth consecutive day”. Even Jewish people are calling what’s occurring terrorism as armed Nazis supported by Zionist military attack many Palestinian settlements in the West Bank.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2023 22:06 utc | 63

Responsible Statecraft put out a bit the other day about the dangers of rampant Russophobia that is long overdue.

A deeply sinister and dangerous tendency has made its appearance in Western writing about the war in Ukraine. This is the extension of hatred for the Putin regime and its crimes to the entire Russian people, the Russian national tradition, and Russian culture. This tendency is of course bitterly familiar from the history of hostile propaganda, but precisely for that reason we should have learned to shun it.
The banning of Russian cultural events and calls for the “decolonization” of Russian literature and Russian studies recall the propaganda of all sides during the First World War, which did so much to embitter that war and make its peaceful resolution all but impossible.
The latest manifestation of this has been the successful pressure on American author Elizabeth Gilbert to cancel the publication of her latest book, not because it is in any way pro-Putin or pro-war, but merely because it is set in Russia. In another recent case, Masha Gessen, the U.S.-based Russian political émigré, fierce Putin critic and strong opponent of the Russian invasion, felt obliged to resign from the board of PEN America, created as a union of writers to defend free expression, after it barred two Russian writers — themselves emigres who had denounced the war. The Chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the British parliament, Tom Tugendhat, has called for the expulsion of all Russian citizens from Britain, irrespective of their legal residency. The Czech president has referenced approvingly the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II.
Demonization of this sort is morally wrong in itself; it is generally intellectually wrong in its details; it is incompatible with liberal internationalism; it betrays pluralist democracy in Ukraine; it is disastrous for the future peace of Europe; it fuels the paranoia and violent self-righteous extremism that has done so much damage to U.S. policy over the years; and, by helping to block moves towards a reasonable settlement of the conflict, it increases the dangers to the United States, Europe, the world, and Ukraine itself that stem from a continuation of the war. Perhaps craziest of all, while the people who express such feelings about Russia claim to be opposing the Putin regime, their actions and writings in fact provide better domestic propaganda for Putin than he himself could ever have devised.
A particularly egregious example of this sort of chauvinism was written last week by Peter Pomerantsev, whose Russian-speaking family emigrated from Soviet Ukraine when he was a baby, and who now lives in Britain. This article is worth paying attention to both for the wider tendency that it represents, and for where it appeared — in the British liberal newspaper The Guardian. It is fair to say that The Guardian would never have published this kind of hate-filled attack on an entire people if it were directed at any other people but the Russians, and, if it had appeared elsewhere, The Guardian would have (correctly) denounced it as racism.
Pomerantsev takes his cue from the destruction of the Kakhovka Dam, which he automatically blames on Russia — despite the fact that, as Kelley Vlahos pointed out in Responsible Statecraft, it remains completely unproven who blew up the dam, and the results could chiefly benefit either the Ukrainian or the Russian side. Adding a whole litany of exaggerated or wholly invented Russian atrocities, he uses this to declare that:
“Beneath the veneer of Russian military ‘tactics,’ you see the stupid leer of destruction for the sake of it…In Russia’s wars the very senselessness seems to be the sense…To Russian genocide add ecocide.”
He references Ukrainian literary critic Tetiana Ogarkova:
“In her rewording of Fyodor Dostoevsky’s Russian classic novel Crime and Punishment, a novel about a murderer who kills simply because he can, Ogarkova calls Russia a culture where you have ‘crime without punishment, and punishment without crime.’ The powerful murder with impunity; the victims are punished for no reason.”
Does “literary critic” Ogarkova really think that Dostoyevsky approved of Raskolnikov’s crime, and did not show him being justly punished for it? Or is she relying on a belief that her Western audience will be willing to hate Russian authors without having read them?
Pomerantsev follows this up with an almost unbelievable passage:
“Ogarkova and Yermolenko note the difference between Hitler and Stalin: while Nazis had some rules about who they punished (non-Aryans; communists) in Stalin’s terror anyone could be a victim at any moment. Random violence runs through Russian history.”
This is the same old nauseating hypocrisy. They are nationalists; we are patriots. Their bombing of civilians reflects a blind urge to destruction rooted in their national character, ours is either purely accidental or an unfortunate part of a just struggle. Their torture of suspected enemies is due to their innate collective savagery. Ours is “not who we are.”
This is a classic example of what psychologists call the “fundamental attribution error” — the tendency to rationalize our own transgressions as the product of difficult circumstances, while explaining the sins of others as the result of their malevolent nature.
In attributing Russian atrocities in Ukraine to permanent, quasi-racial aspects of the Russian national character, these writers seek to present Russia as uniquely mad and evil; whereas in fact the crimes committed by Russia during the Ukraine War have also been committed by several Western states in modern wars, the United States among them. [ctd…]

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 22:12 utc | 64

Edit fail in the above post, hit Post too soon…
Of course any author at any ‘respectable’ Western media source is under obligation to mention Putin’s “crimes” as many times as possible any time the subject of Russia and/or Ukraine come up. Regardless, those authors are at least finally speaking up about the ridiculous levels of Russophobia that’s been commonplace here in the US and most likely in the UK since 2014, having previously been present, but not as commonplace or open. Banning the Russian men’s team from the World Cup, refusing to let Russian athletes in other sports compete, only allowing the Russian Olympic team to participate under some concocted ‘flag’ all to appease the righteous western liberal sentiment that is itself based on lies and memory holed continuing colonization (of the world).
Could anyone imagine if, when the US illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, not only did Russia and China pour billions of US $ equivalents into Saddam’s defense, but US athletes were denied their livelihood, US businesses were forced to shut down or sell to other owners in other countries, and the RotW treated the criminal US empire like the NATO countries are treating Russia and Russians?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 22:20 utc | 65

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 25 2023 18:33 utc | 46
Lancaster’s video still shows AFAICT ONE Wagner tank. One. He keeps referring to “tanks” in the broadcast, but we SEE only ONE.
More proof this whole affair was total bullshit.
Note for those claiming 20 dead pilots, Helmer’s article says “virtually no bloodshed.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 25 2023 22:50 utc | 66

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 22:12 utc | 64
re: the “fundamental attribution error — the tendency to rationalize our own transgressions as the product of difficult circumstances,”
In Iraq, there have been between 280,771-315,190 Iraqi civilians killed by direct violence since the illegal U.S. invasion labeled Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) which began on March 20, 2003.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2023 23:10 utc | 67

@Tom Q Collins 61
Trump and Obama don’t have fans, they have literal religious worshippers.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 25 2023 23:15 utc | 68

Trump and Obama don’t have fans, they have literal religious worshippers.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 25 2023 23:15 utc | 68
I agree. And frankly, I can empathize a little bit with the psychology of each, so long as it’s confined to the relevant time period.
For Obama, we were coming out of 8 years of absolute criminal gangster behavior by the Bush/Cheney Regime both domestically and especially on the world stage. Wall Street was melting down and it was rippling out to Main Street. Bush had us in two major foreign quagmires and was handing out bailouts to select cronies in the FIRE sector as the “Too Big to Fail” era kicked off. Torture was normalized as was ‘extraordinary rendition’ and extra-constitutional assassination of Americans abroad, not to mention what we’d later learn from Wikileaks and Julian Assange. The economy was a wreck.
For Trump, we were coming off 8 years of Obama’s betrayals and basically the same foreign footprint with the caveat that the destruction of Iraq had mostly been wrapped up, but now we had wrecked Syria and Libya. Obama had bailed out his own FIRE Sector cronies as part of the “Too Big to Jail” era, had “looked forward not backwards” on Bush/Cheney war crimes (and of course committed his own), normalized unconstitutional state spying on the American public, refused to close GITMO, reneged on his early promise to investigate the telecoms for their part in the illegal warrantless ‘wiretapping’ and overseen the massive expansion of the data gathering and storage centers used by the CIA and NSA. The Corporate Democrats behind Killary had sabotaged Bernie Sanders in a major way, and once again we learned about it from Wikileaks.
For those who take Presidential electoral politics seriously, it must have felt like whiplash. However, for me it was when I saw ‘The Pattern’ emerge. The public is subjected to a farcical savior scenario as each administration’s tenure comes to a close. Whereas Trump and Obama before him may have had a kernel of legitimate desire to help the working class, in the end – despite the bullshit “Jobs Report” – we were screwed again.
And I swear to God, living in my neck of the woods, I ALMOST voted for Trump the first time and for Biden this most recent election. I’m glad I didn’t even though my vote would have been meaningless both times. But on a tangential note, one of the reasons I don’t really buy the whole Stop the Steal thing, at least inasmuch as it is predicated on the disbelief among Trump supporters that Biden could possibly receive that much of the popular vote, my experience was echoed by friends and family. I have relatives in the Rust Belt of PA, WV and OH – and nearly all of them voted exactly that way. Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020, so it wasn’t ever very hard for me to believe.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 23:44 utc | 69

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2023 23:10 utc | 67
And that’s just from direct military or terrorist (what’s the difference, amirite?) violence. Doesn’t account for the likely tens of millions who have been killed due to lack of basic necessities like food, medicine, transport and the cancers and other illnesses caused by the pollutants and toxic substances unleashed on that country. Nah, Uncle Scam is on the hook for more like 10-20M deaths and displacements (combined) since 2003 when you count Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela, Cuba and other countries. Not to mention “our” convenient looking the other way on Israeli, French and Saudi crimes and atrocities.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2023 23:49 utc | 70

Look.
There is a thread over the last few months of Priggy getting priggier. It is a narrative created by him and his command.
There is no way it could have been otherwise.
Putin and co would have concluded that the enemy really believed that a ‘revolt’ would happen! Doh.
So they made a fly and went fishing.
The natzos bit!
Hook. Line. And sinker.
Game Over.
I expect it will now move to ‘talks’.
In the old days it was called unconditional surrender.
Now it will be PR’d.
It’s that or suicide by multilateralist new cops in town.
The Wild Collective Waste is finally going to be civilised.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2023 23:54 utc | 71

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2023 23:54 utc | 71
This fits here at the WiR O/T as well: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/nuclear-falseflag-on-zaporozhye-npp?
Scroll down a ways for the stuff on Priggo. Some very interesting theories, and a few compelling ones too.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 26 2023 0:20 utc | 72

Here’s a clip from Kennedy’s recent speech, talking about where we’ve come since JFK and the others were assassinated, and more importantly, why.
He highlights the US tendency to see every challenge as a war, and the binary thinking of “good guy / bad guy” that keeps us in that mindset.
He makes his points in 2 minutes and concludes by listing major flaws in the country: decaying infrastructure, a demoralized and despairing people, a land saturated in toxins and pollutants, and ever-worsening mental and physical health.
He calls all these ills “the wages of war.”
Who do we want to be? A nation of war, or a nation of peace? [Twitter]
It’s astonishing to me how Robert Kennedy has enriched my own news feed with history, fact and intelligence, and to see how this is seeping out into the country. I actually would never have guessed his presence on the scene could have wrought so much awakening.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 0:38 utc | 73

The full speech from which the above clip was taken is found currently on YouTube. Kennedy’s campaign manger is Dennis Kucinich, and this link starts at 8 minutes, when he comes on. Kennedy begins just after the 11-minute mark:
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. | “Peace and Diplomacy” Speech | New Hampshire 6-20-23
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Apparently YouTube is throttling exposure of this video, warning against re-posting it because of “health misinformation” or some such. Never did the emperor look more naked.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 0:53 utc | 74

Yes, he is doing very well, I think.
I did a cast on him in early April, several weeks before he announced because a prior cast had indicated that a new ‘dragon’ would be arising in the field that had the potential to unite the country and, looking around, he seemed like the only likely prospect to fit that bill.
The Cast was promising.
A month or so after he announced I did
another which showed the sun rising but significant internal impasses to overcome.
He has chosen to run within the Democrat Party. Some are saying that he has no expectation of winning but is simply running because he has important messages and they can’t entirely shut him up if he is a candidate. I’m not so sure about that. But in any case, he has to make it through a hard gauntlet within that Party. Trump was mainly brought down by his own Party which he could not master. RFK Jr may prove far more adroit. I certainly hope so.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 26 2023 1:03 utc | 75

One thing Robert Kennedy’s run has done is to awaken memories and interest in the assassinations of the sixties.
Katie Halper and Aaron Matte in their Useful Idiots show discuss the machinations of that time, interviewing David Talbot and Aaron Good. If you want to know about the Deep State, these two are a necessary source.
It starts at 9:35 in, and the link is set to that. So it’s only a 35-minute interview at most, but a lot of solid information is presented here about the who and the why of the JFK assassination, evil Dulles boys, the MIC, and all the rest. Perhaps more importantly, we gain a perspective on the flavor of the time and the ruling dynamic (of massive amounts of money) that drove the USA down the path of imperial plunder and degradation that we (some of us) are still trying to pull out from today:
The Kennedys vs The Deep State

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 1:09 utc | 76

Prigozhin is officially retired, wind at his back.
Roskomnadzor blocks access to Wagner boss’ company 25 June
(It’s annoying, because I only remembered this morning to retrieve that press release, ahead of Putin’s “surprise” inspection of South Command, in which he formulated Wagner’s ammo supply ratio, shells_delivered:lives_saved)

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 26 2023 1:16 utc | 77

test
https://dailyclout.io/

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 1:37 utc | 78

There is no doubt that cancer occurrence is increasing. The CDC raw data shows this, although CDC itself is massaging the numbers to hide this fact (now why would they do that?).
The Vigilant Fox has been a major source of good information during the last three years and he has a page on the cancer explosion we are currently experiencing, with several videos and many sources linked, and headlined by an informative 7-minute clip from Dr. Ryan Cole (one of my favorite docs throughout this pandemic):
Cancer Taking Off ‘Like Wildfire’: Unsettling Insights from Pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole
What I like about Cole is that he’s a pathologist, so he gets fully diagnosed body samples to test in his lab. His findings are very cut and dried, measurable, numeric and such – scientific, in a word.
The whole page is worth keeping as a gatekeeper into this alarming medical trend.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 1:45 utc | 79

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 1:09 utc | 76
One thing Robert Kennedy’s run has done is to awaken memories and interest in the assassinations of the sixties.
Katie Halper and Aaron Matte in their Useful Idiots show discuss the machinations of that time, interviewing David Talbot and Aaron Good. If you want to know about the Deep State, these two are a necessary source.
================================
Will check out, thanks. Right-leaning media has much on the Deep State, with many libertarian-type sites regularly providing cutting or revisionist type materials. But left-leaning people avoid those sources and may have become a little insulated the past few decades so perhaps for them RFK Jr is going to be a wake-up call. In any case, he is the first insider lefty to come forward punching hard against the Establishment. There have been firebrands (like the estimable Kucinich) over the years but unable to be perceived as anything other than lightweights. They are trying to make Kennedy one of the latter too but the more they do, the more weight he is putting on.
I like that he is willing not only to talk about the assassinations but also his family background and connections rather than avoiding it for fear of being regarded as entitled etc. There is nothing wrong with having family background in a trade, or region or national leadership. I think many who don’t worry about woke issues etc. will find it reassuring. Plus he has fought many battles and made his bones in the real world. His work on the rivers is truly admirable.
If Trump wasn’t still in, Bobby would get well over half those votes immediately and probably more later – most Trumpers hate the GOP at this point and are only in it because he is. If Trump does stay in and win, Kennedy is a shoo-in to win in 2028 since by then he would presumably be able to assume leadership of the Party and (somewhat) clean it up. This time around it’s a very tall order given the Deep State dominance of the Dem party, the press and their super-delegate system etc, but there’s lots of time between now and next year, which might prove momentous, so who knows.
I hate US politics and try not to follow it but these are very ‘interesting times’ so hard not to. Plus we had a wicked heat wave recently so have spent more time than usual inside on the computer. It broke today, finally, thank goodness.
Here’s a long interview with Maher who is behaving better than usual though he is a card-carrying anti-Trumper and talks over his guest too much:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0dQD1Z6j60

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 26 2023 1:48 utc | 80

The surge in cancer in the US and elsewhere is Stage 4 cancer, which is the final stage that cancer gradually progresses to, but people are being diagnosed at this stage right from the first indication. In other words, today’s cancer is behaving unlike any other cancer before the vaccines (to draw a contemporary timeline, for example).
Dr. Paul Marik, that wonderful man, has a short clip talking about cancer in general, and how the industry deals with it – I don’t say how the industry “treats” it, because it doesn’t. But there are ways to prevent it and to treat it successfully, and Marik explains these in understandable terms:
Cancer Demystified: The Untold Perspective About the #2 Killer in the World
With the increase in cancer that we’re seeing, it makes sense to start exploring the world of treatment – it’s a world that I think has been heavily suppressed and hidden from view. I never much cared before, but it seems worth delving into now. Marik is a kind man, a good place to start.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 2:02 utc | 81

It turns out that ivermectin was being looked at as a potential treatment for cancer before the pandemic led to its becoming a taboo word. Those studies are resuming, or at least being noticed again, and here’s a short clip you may find of interest:
Ivermectin and Colon Cancer
The top comment over there from a doctor says that X-rays of some brain cancer cells resemble parasitic cysts, so the IVM connection could well make sense. It has rightly been called a wonder drug, and it’s a terrible shame that $200 billion in revenues caused it to be cast out of heaven.
I don’t know if these words will pass the filter – so low have we fallen – so I’ll leave it at that. I have more to add, in a following comment.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 2:18 utc | 82

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 1:45 utc | 79
I don’t have time yet to watch, but I saw the reference to “turbo cancer.” I lost a long time friend last year to a very aggressive and apparently very rare (currently anyway) form of cancer that started on the appendix but soon spread to every abdominal organ, particularly the colon and pancreas. It was so malignant and rare that he was accepted into the MD Anderson main hospital in Houston. No chemo worked. He was gone in less than a year from his initial diagnosis. Very scary stuff, for me in particular since if there’s an environmental factor, it’s highly likely I was exposed to it as well given that we lived near each other for a while.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 26 2023 2:19 utc | 83

Here’s a fine documentary from a superb filmmaker, Massimo Mazzucco. He’s the man who made that 5-hour, 3-part documentary on the 9/11 event, which is exhaustive if you ever want the complete story. He also made one about the US moon landing, which is regarded as the best of them all, and which I thought was one of the best made documentaries I’ve ever seen.
He’s also made a documentary about cancer and its treatment:
Cancer the Forbidden Cures – Full Documentary
If you enjoy a well made documentary, you will enjoy Mazzucco’s work.
~~
ps..I know I posted a lot, but now I’m done with the bookmarks I had saved up for the brothers and sisters at MoA, so I will depart this thread for a while and leave you to your own contributions. Thanks for listening 🙂

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 2:30 utc | 84

They are really piling it up with cow dung on the Modi visit..

PLAN is no match for India’s twin carriers navy
IAF top gun in Asia
INdia/USAss share many values,
dEmocracy, rule of law, human rights…….b lah blah, a pardnership made in heaven
Together, the United States and India – the world’s oldest and largest democracies – are a combined force for global good.

——————
Back to earth,
In the neighborhood, they call India the USAss of South Asia.
That just about sum it up , shared values indeed.
As for human rights,
Has the entire garden not heard of Dalits, Kashmir, GUjarat, Nagaland , Manipur…?
Well it doesnt matter, if you’r a teflon club member !
Been calling the anglo/euro garden teflon club years ago,
nuthin sticks.
From the guardian of yo…

At one point, for instance, Pinter argued that “the United States supported and in many cases engendered every rightwing military dictatorship in the world after the end of the second world war”. He then proceeded to reel off examples. But the clincher came when Pinter, with deadpan irony, said: “It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening, it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest

This is the wn mantra at UNZ,

We dindunuthin, its the Jews/Israel’s fault

Scorpion,. their point man here, goes further

Its the Jews/Chinese fault, they’r conspiring to genocide us innocent wn.

Posted by: denk | Jun 26 2023 3:01 utc | 85

I guess it’s natural that with the surge in popularity for rfk j that all the urban myths of the sixties would get a fresh hearing but I’m with Aaron Mate, I dunno anything about Halperin, my knowledge of jfk’s willing participation in amerikan imperialism all across the world not merely vietnam, tells me that jfk the peacemaker is a crock that types like Aaron Good deflect and mumble past with ad hominems & fluff.
I shan’t bother to regurgitate the arguments yet again which are replete with examples of the cruel & divisive amerikan imperialism which continued unabated through the jfk prezdency simply because I know that with many people especially catholics across the world trying to explain the reality of the kennedy administration is wasted breath.
I do however suggest that any amerikan voters who are thinking of casting a vote for rfk j should get stuck in and do their own research on this as otherwise they are in for a much bigger shock/disappointment than the people who supported barack oblamblam. I have no doubt that this site is gonna be inundated with gullible believers trying to spread the word from about October this year until November 2024.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 26 2023 3:12 utc | 86

re: presidents who start wars. . .
from whitehouse.gov —
The Executive Branch conducts diplomacy with other nations and the President has the power to negotiate and sign treaties, which the Senate ratifies. The President can issue executive orders, which direct executive officers or clarify and further existing laws.
Only Congress has the constitutional right to declare war.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 11: [The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 26 2023 3:26 utc | 87

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 26 2023 3:12 utc | 86
JFK & RFK discuss deposing Goulart in Brazil-NSA Archives

Almost two years before the April 1, 1964, military takeover in Brazil, President Kennedy and his top aides began seriously discussing the option of overthrowing Joao Goulart’s government, according to Presidential tape transcripts posted by the National Security Archive on the 50th anniversary of the coup d’tat. “What kind of liaison do we have with the military?” Kennedy asked top aides in July 1962. In March 1963, he instructed them: “We’ve got to do something about Brazil.”

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 26 2023 3:36 utc | 88

Debsisdead | Jun 26 2023 3:12 utc | 86–
The attempt to end Outlaw US Empire hegemony in the international financial arena is causing a review of that history and it’s extremely ugly AND continuous through almost every POTUS administration since Wilson’s, even FDR’s at beginning and end but mostly absent in the middle. Other things were done to many nations, not just financial terror s we know, and JFK’s administration was no different. It’s said by a vocal minority that he was going to change direction which is why he was killed, but that’s an assertion that will never be proven. The terrorism that was visited on so many nations frankly is Nazi-like, the death squads and such, and was often run by former Nazis. So few people within the Empire know the horrid truth that it’s close to impossible to end it. But the financial terrorists are now attacking their host directly and the situation might finally change. Meanwhile, the global battle continues to end the Empire’s reign of terror.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 26 2023 3:48 utc | 89

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 26 2023 3:12 utc | 86
———————————-
Nehru’s China war in 1962 was emboldened by jfk unconditional support…

As to what lies behind the aggressive attitude of the Nehru government, it must be borne in mind first of all that the imperialist world, particularly the U.S. would like nothing better than to see the two principal Asiatic powers, the two powers which hold the greatest revolutionary promise for mankind in the east, locked in military combat, shedding the blood of thousands, absorbing the resources and energies of millions of people, which should be used to construct a revolutionary way of life.
The efforts of the U.S. government, it must be noted, have been directed, insofar as India is concerned, not only to make it economically and financially dependent upon U.S. monopoly interests, but also to inflame the Indian bourgeoisie, particularly its right-wing extremist elements, against the Chinese People’s Republic.
FOUR BILLION U.S. AID
According to The New York Times of October 22(1969), the U.S. has poured into India more than four billion dollars. A substantial section of this money has gone to line the pockets of Indian businessmen, government officials, and especially the extremist elements who are interested in diverting the mass discontent of the Indian peasants and workers into other channels.
U.S. diplomats, State Department planners, and military figures in the Pentagon have for a long time felt that the biggest diversionary tactic that imperialism could employ to disrupt the revolutionary anti-imperialist front was to continually stir up, bribe and corrupt as many of the representatives of the Indian bourgeoisie as it could to fan the flames of an India-China war.
Nehru himself was subjected to unremitting pressure when he was in the U.S. More U.S. aid was used as bait to lure Nehru into the trap of a protracted India-China war, which can only result in further detriment to India, China and the cause of all oppressed people.
SINCE NEHRU’S VISIT
Since the Indian Prime Minister left the shores of the U.S. there have been only rare intervals in which there has been a let up in the war fever fanned by the Indian bourgeoisie and its agent Nehru. For a long time Nehru played the role of moderator between left and right in the Indian-China border dispute, cautioning the extremist elements of the bourgeoisie in Parliament, and repudiating suggestions for offensive operations by his military advisers.

Rings a bell ?
Today,
From G/E

US woos India’s far-right PM Modi to help wage new cold war on China

DIVIDE AND CONQUER,
oLDest trick in FUKUS playbook.
The limeys/gringo have been using Indians as sepoy against China since the days of 8NA.
tO all Chinese out there, dont get bamboozled by ‘wn’ diversion about Jew’s wars, Israel’s wars blah blah
It has always been the garden vs row, especially China.
https://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm

Posted by: denk | Jun 26 2023 3:53 utc | 90

“This ‘American disease’ is indeed incurable: Global Times editorial” Could be a host of things, yes? Like the incurable imperialism it practices continuously. But in this instance it’s this:
“The US is known to have the worst drug problem in the world. 12 percent of global drug users come from the country, three times the proportion of the US population to that of the world.”
So, what else is new? The editorial will tell you:

Not long after the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken mentioned in Beijing that the two countries “need much greater cooperation” to solve the fentanyl issue, the US Department of Justice charged Chinese individuals “related to fentanyl problems” that were ensnared through US’ “sting operation” in a third country, putting on a very typical US show of smearing and attacking China while asking China to cooperate.
On June 23, the criminal charges were filed by the US Department of Justice against four Chinese chemical manufacturing companies and eight individuals “over allegations they illegally trafficked the chemicals used to make fentanyl.” It is a landmark event in US hyping up the fentanyl issue and “playing the fentanyl card” for some time. From unreasonable sanctions against Chinese agencies responsible for anti-drug work, to smearing and illegal sanctioning Chinese enterprises, then the malicious “sting operation” and the criminal charges this time, US’ unilateral acts of buck-passing and blaming external factors for internal diseases as well as its use of long-arm jurisdiction are increasingly seen as having no bottom line.
Some US media also hyped up that the US is “sourcing fentanyl precursor chemicals from China,” trying to put the label of “drug trafficker” on China, the country with the most severe crackdown on drugs in the world. This kind of hype is sinister, but also very amateurish. The “fentanyl precursors” mentioned by the US side are actually chemicals that can be involved in the production of fentanyl, but they are ordinary commodities that are not controlled under international drug conventions and Chinese law, and the products previously sanctioned by the US side even include ordinary medical molds such as capsule filling machines. It’s like when there is a mass shooting in the US, instead of looking for the cause within itself, the blame is placed on countries that export steel. Does sanctioning companies that export steel mean that there will be no more shootings in the US?

The editorial is hard hitting as it should be, and we’ve seen this sort of extraterritorial bullshit done many times before to other peoples. Meanwhile, two known criminals–The Biden Gang–remain at-large as does the Clinton Gang and several others. Maybe China ought to come and arrest them and try them under China’s anti-corruption laws?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 26 2023 4:07 utc | 91

@ Richard Steven Hack | Jun 25 2023 22:50 utc | 66
The whole episode is simply surreal … as I noted early on – I was ‘simply speechless’ and I cited Yeats – ‘ all changed, changed utterly’ – but how we simply have to wait and see.
Any sane person challenging power of Russian admin expects a bullet … yet in no way did Pregozin appear to fear such an end … there are ‘other forces’ at play … and more than a ‘wage dispute’ – yet Putin’s video – ‘stab in the back’, ‘treason’ looked very real …. as you note ‘largely bloodless’ and all over in Act-1 – Theatre …. Dima reckons that new Minister for Defense and Head of Armed forces on the way … again we wait …
Most revealing in the video – attitude of people on the streets of Rostov-on-Don – Wagner treated like rock stars and clear support for Russia in the SMO … fine looking city … more like a street party than a ‘coup’ …. Ritter lost the plot early on … as did many others ….
We live in interesting times ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 26 2023 4:13 utc | 92

I have a feeling an RFKjr presidentcy would suffer the same fate as Trump’s term even though RFKjr would likely do a better job. I hope he
has the common sense Trump showed by hiring his own security team.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 26 2023 4:29 utc | 93

What I like about Kennedy in today’s political consciousness is the inspiration that arises from his appearance in the race.
I think people don’t appreciate inspiration as a factor that can influence change – which is strange, because we’ve all seen all our lives in all fields how inspiration can affect outcomes.
Kennedy junior himself in one of my links upthread was talking about this terrible, juvenile habit of the US to think in terms of good and bad guy. And real life is not like this.
There is no monolithic human ever, except in the unreal imagination of humans. This thinking forces an individual to become a super hero who does all good, or a villain who does all bad. And anyone can be dismissed as a fraud because of disappointment over one issue, or some positions, out of the many that make up a single life, or a candidate platform, or a political policy.
Personally, I don’t look to the man. I look to the effect.
~~
And thinking of the Kennedys, I wanted to see again the speech that the original Robert F. Kennedy gave from the bed of a pickup truck to a crowd of black supporters on the night that he received the news of Martin Luther King’s assassination.
I think this is my favorite and most treasured clip of all Kennedy speeches:
Robert F Kennedy Announcing The Death Of Martin Luther King – RFK’s Greatest Speech
He said, in a time of great trouble: “We can do well in this country.” He himself, I do believe, was inspired by the potential of the United States, and passed that inspiration on to others, for the time he had left.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 26 2023 4:46 utc | 94

JP Morgan Chase are in it up to their neck.

In addition, Project Jeep emails show that the bank agreed to settle Epstein’s claims for his losses in hedge funds run by Bear Stearns, which JPMorgan Chase acquired during the financial crisis in 2008, and losses on Epstein’s holdings in Bear Stearns’ common stock, for a whopping $9.2 million. Bear Stearns’ stock price collapsed when JPMorgan took over the company for a fraction of what its trading price had been on the previous Friday. The July 2011 email from Jim Condren, Associate General Counsel at JPMorgan Chase, to Epstein reads as follows: [follow the link above to see this]
There is a question as to whether it is legal for a bank to make good on what amounts to trading losses in a publicly-traded common stock for a client. Licensed brokers are certainly prohibited from doing such a thing unless there was an overt error by the broker in properly executing the stock trade and management handles the reimbursement.
There is also the question as to whether JPMorgan was allowed to provide monetary relief to Epstein on his stock losses without providing the same relief to other shareholders in Bear Stearns. To put it bluntly, this email has opened up a big can of legal worms for JPMorgan and its Board of Directors.
If, indeed, JPMorgan was using its corporate jet to transport Epstein’s sex trafficked victims, that would be a matter for the criminal division of the U.S. Department of Justice.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 26 2023 4:48 utc | 95

karlof1 # 4:07 utc | 91
Maybe China ought to come and arrest them and try them under China’s anti-corruption laws?
The Chinese Government could start with this rogue gang who have been present since 1921: https://www.jpmorganchina.com.cn/en/about-us#local-presence

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 26 2023 4:57 utc | 96

Grieved | Jun 26 2023 4:46 utc | 94–
Crooke is constantly harping on that Manichean dualism you note, and the real world isn’t like that as you note. The real question about RFKjr: Can he get enough votes as an Independent to win, cause he won’t get the D-Party nomination? I know just him becoming POTUS isn’t enough to break the continuity of policy, but he might seriously damage it–if he makes it and lives.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 26 2023 4:59 utc | 97

uncle tungsten | Jun 26 2023 4:57 utc | 96–
Yes. That there’re so many candidates needing justice applied to them is the genuine “American Disease.” One would think that with all the guns and related violence here that a few would become collateral damage just based on the odds.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 26 2023 5:04 utc | 98

denk # 3:53 utc | 90

It has always been the garden vs row, especially China.

Indeed it is so. And likely the garden groupies are dismayed that they are not all welcome in modern China and seemingly so, India. There are a few remnants of the last century but I guess there are legacy issues that enable them to stay on.
The West is being vigorously pushed back and I doubt Modi can be bought to any great extent through this US visit. He is aware of the current ‘difficulty’ in Pakistan and I would think that is sufficient for his team to be cautious.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 26 2023 5:11 utc | 99

Slavyangrad reports:
“Amerika “expected a lot more bloodshed in Russia”: As the picture became clear to amerikan intelligence analysts that Yevgeny Prigozhin was about to mobilize his Wagner troops inside Russia, the expectation was that his march toward Moscow would encounter much more resistance and be “a lot more bloody than it was”. There was a surprise, a amerikan official said, that Russia’s professional military didn’t do a better job of confronting Wagner troops as they moved into Rostov and up toward Moscow.” Slavyangrad caught this obscenity on the CNN ‘news’ page
This is in here because it has nothing to do with the Ukraine SMO and everything to do with amerikan deep state’s blind incompetence and wilful ignorance.
We know that since 2008 that mob of shits and arseholes have devoted much time energy and resources to gleaning then analysing Russia’s every move, yet it seems that these intelligence geniuses haven’t yet picked up even the most basic aspects of the administration of the Russian Federation.
The first observation anyone makes after observing the lead up to the nato proxy is that the amount of agitation & provocation it took for Russia to finally intervene in Ukraine told us that unlike amerika where the average citizen’s life is worth less than a single aggravated response to a bullying cop, Russia greatly values the life of any and all of its citizens. At no stage did it seem probable that the Russian military would attack the musos.
This was a cause of great disappointment to amerikan deep-staters, media and by extension news consumers, which has come across to the rest of the world most of whom are well aware that had there been violence it would be at least a week’s worth of deep state & their puppet corporate media’s issuing of exaggerations along with how unnecessary & deplorable the violence had been, as it seems these dingbats have no conception of how transparent their motives are to anyone anywhere who has half a brain.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 26 2023 6:03 utc | 100