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June 18, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-143

Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:

b: If my summing up is correct the report lists Ukrainian losses due to failed mass attacks over the last 24 hours as:
68 tanks, 64 Infantry Fighting Vehicles, 74 Armored Combat Vehicle and 860 950 personnel. Those were enough combat vehicles for two complete brigades!


Other issues:

Assange:

Aukus:

RIP Daniel Ellsberg:

> During the course of our hour- and-20-minute interview, Ellsberg contended America still runs a “covert empire” around the world, embodied in the U.S. domination of NATO. He believes Washington deliberately provoked Vladimir Putin into invading Ukraine by pushing its seat of power eastward toward Russia’s borders; that the mainstream media is “complicit” in allowing the government to keep secrets it has no right to withhold; and that any notion Americans are ever the “good guys” abroad “has always been false.”

“I think very few Americans are aware of what our actual influence in the former colonial world has been, and that is to keep it colonial,” Ellsberg says. “King Charles III [of Britain] is no longer an emperor, as I understand it, but for all practical purposes Joe Biden is … Here’s a point I haven’t made to anyone but would like to in my last days here. Very simply, how many Americans would know any one of the following cases, let alone three or four of them?” Ellsberg then rattles off a series of U.S. orchestrated coups, most of them fairly well documented, starting with Iran in 1953, and then in Guatemala, Indonesia, Honduras, Dominican Republic, Brazil and Chile. <

Nukes:

> Vladimir Putin: I reject this. It is certainly theoretically possible to use nuclear weapons this way. For Russia, it is possible if there is a threat to our territorial integrity, independence and sovereignty, an existential threat to the Russian state. Nuclear weapons are created to ensure our security, in the broadest sense of the word, and the existence of the Russian state.

First, we see no need to use it; and second, considering this, even as a possibility, factors into lowering the threshold for the use of such weapons. This is my first point.

The second point is that we have more such nuclear weapons than NATO countries. They know about it and never stop trying to persuade us to start nuclear reduction talks. Like hell we will, right? A popular phrase. (Laughter.) Because, putting it in the dry language of economic essays, it is our competitive advantage.<

The 'popular phrase' was 'Fuck you'.

Use as open (not Ukraine related) thread …

Comments

Blinken met with Xi today and Global Times has published an editorial about it, “It’s time to test US’ credibility again”. While I have my own assessment about that credibility, here’s what the editorial says after its introductory paragraph:

Though the meeting was not long, it carried substantial information. President Xi expounded on the principled stance for stabilizing and developing China-US relations, providing strategic and guiding suggestions. President Xi emphasized that the world needs a generally stable China-US relationship, and whether the two countries can find the right way to get along bears on the future and destiny of humanity. The vast expanse of the Earth is big enough to accommodate the respective development and common prosperity of China and the US, Xi pointed out. The Chinese, like the Americans, are dignified, confident and self-reliant people, Xi said, adding that they both have the right to pursue a better life, and the common interests of the two countries should be valued, and their respective success is an opportunity instead of a threat to each other.
These words are full of sincerity and goodwill, while also targeted. Some people in the US view China’s development with a narrow mindset of zero-sum game or even negative-sum game, perceiving it as a threat rather than an opportunity. Their biases toward China, catalyzed by the complex political and diplomatic environment in Washington, have become the crux of the twists and turns in China-US relations. In other words, the US’ own problems have turned into problems in bilateral relations, which need to be resolved by the US side.
China has consistently demonstrated its strategic clarity to the US, which is a sharp contrast with US side’s strategic ambiguity. The three most commonly used adjectives by both sides for their high-level communication are “frank, in-depth and constructive.” Clarity represents frankness. We believe that Blinken deeply understands this during his visit. China has thoroughly explained the root causes of the low point in China-US relations, the urgent tasks for both sides, China’s intentions and goals for development and revitalization, and the most prominent risks in the bilateral relationship. China does not harbor ill intentions toward the US, but it will definitely counteract any suppressive actions. If the US still has any misunderstandings about China’s strategic intentions, then we can only assume that they are deliberate and pretending to be ignorant.

While the meeting is being analyzed as positive, everything depends on what occurs in the near future regarding Outlaw US Empire policy toward China and Taiwan. Given past performance, I have little confidence that much will change despite the continuing downward slide in the Empire’s global position. If the Empire hopes to improve that position, it must alter its policy towards China and Taiwan–indeed, the whole of East Asia. In fact, the most significant thing Biden could do would be to announce that the Outlaw US Empire will reject the Wolfowitz Doctrine’s formulation and cease seeking to establish Full Spectrum Domination of the planet. Of course, I don’t expect anything like that to come from Team Biden, although it appears that RFKjr would be willing to make such an announcement during his campaign.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 19 2023 18:31 utc | 101

bevin | Jun 19 2023 18:31 utc | 100–
What was called appeasement might equally well have been called ‘strengthening’- the means whereby Hitler’s sympathisers in, for example, the French and British governments assisted in the re-militarisation of Germany and improving its strategic position.
That Era’s Minsk Agreements.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 19 2023 18:34 utc | 102

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 19 2023 17:37 utc | 98:

North America is a very bad environment for minds to develop in,……

You ain’t kidding!!! In this environment, the majority of the population want their leaders/shakers to be mean pitbulls, the more malicious the better! Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford, two men with normal human decencies and rationale, were booted out by the voter for being weak! From there, one cunning persona after another, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, Trump, now Brandon came into leadership, each meaner and stupider than the former, but apparently what the voting public wanted! Two decades later, here we are, mired in an ocean of malice, stupidity, incompetency, and moral decay. AND GETTING WORSE by the days.
God have mercy for this environment.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 19 2023 18:53 utc | 103

@karlof1, #101:

…I have little confidence that much will change despite the continuing downward slide in the Empire’s global position…

You’re right on, and neither do China and its leadership think differently. Qin. Wang, and Xi met with Blinken just out of a matter of courtesy. They have nothing to lose in the meeting, but at least gained the impression in RoW that China is trying to defuse conflicts and global instability.
There were no joint statements nor bilateral agreements. If there were, you bet you sweeties that China wouldn’t place any hope in the blah blah blahs to materialized either.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 19 2023 19:04 utc | 104

Global Times editorial:
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202306/1292885.shtml
China’s position of apprehension after hearing Blinken’s blah blah, blahs!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 19 2023 19:10 utc | 105

Posted by: bevin | Jun 19 2023 18:31 utc | 100
Quite the cess pit indeed. Is M. Hudson still publishing there? Or has his YouTube book tour obviated indiscriminate self-promotion?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 19 2023 19:22 utc | 106

On Karaganov and nukes. Yes, here we go again, fear mongering 101; fear of death. It’s like the person whom feared death so much, he committed suicide.
So what if nukes are used and it’s the end of humanity?
There is evidence that more advance species existed on earth before us, so I posit, if we are stupid enough as a species to off ourselves with nukes, then we deserve it. The earth will still go on being here after us, and perhaps getting ready for what’s to come next. You know, mother earth has its way.
As for me, I don’t fear death. If it comes by way of nukes, so be it. We all come to this world one of two ways: natural birth, or C section; but leave it many, many different ways. Nukes is one, heart attack is one, stubbed toe is another — remember Bob Marley?
90 on board this flight, just one dies getting sucked out — when it’s your time…

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 19 2023 19:23 utc | 107

@Scorpion #88:

Follow-up article from Unz re WW II revisionism. Starts off with long section on Suvorov.

Vladimir Rezun (pen name “Viktor Suvorov”) was a low-ranking GRU officer who betrayed his homeland, defected to the UK in 1978 and started working for British intelligence peddling anti-Soviet black propaganda about the history of the WW2. His pseudohistoric scribblings are the favorite of Russophobes and Neo-Nazis from all over the former Soviet Union. In a 2011 interview with Lviv-based Zaxid.net, Rezun proudly touted his Ukrainian roots, praised the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine (which led to the entrenchment of Western NGOs in the Ukraine, preparing the ground for Euromaidan) and the Rose Revolution in Georgia (which led to Georgia attacking South Ossetia and losing Abkhazia and South Ossetia forever as a result). When asked if he believed in the Ukraine joining NATO, he proudly called himself “the first Ukrainian to join NATO” and said that the Ukraine is merely following in his footsteps.

Posted by: S | Jun 19 2023 19:23 utc | 108

Couple of minute points to take notes of:
1) China accorded Blinken the courtesy of luxury abode in Diaoyutai Guesthouse, meant as an high honor and respect commensurate with USA’s global status. In contrast with the Yang/Wang meeting with Sullivan/Blinken in Anchorage where the visitors were treated with instant noodles in a 2 star hotel.
2) Blinken was given audience with Xi, which wasn’t a necessity but used as a token of proper etiquette for the Secretary of State of a superpower. Past insults from that superpower not withstanding.
3) There were no spins/lies/mockeries in Chinese press and/or official press releases to demean Blinken, in contrast with usual practices of the US MSM and government press releases.
It’s a matter of national characters. China simply has no interest in bitty nuances to insult a counterpart, even if a hostile one.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 19 2023 19:26 utc | 109

@Oriental Voice | Jun 19 2023 19:26 utc | 109

It’s a matter of national characters. China simply has no interest in bitty nuances to insult a counterpart, even if a hostile one.

That is also THE difference between civilization and barbarism.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Jun 19 2023 19:41 utc | 110

Posted by: bevin | Jun 19 2023 18:31 utc | 100
Excellent post.
When is your book coming out?

Posted by: airstrip1 | Jun 19 2023 20:32 utc | 111

LuRenJia & Oriental Voice–
The Global Times editor devoted his entire closing paragraph to the significance of the Lotus Blossom Centerpiece between the two sides’s tables, and the photo caption also provided a brief word about that significance. Those knowing Asian culture would see that immediately, while the West would twiddle its thumbs and say Oh how nice.
I don’t know how well either of you understand the concept of the Sage King, but IMO both Xi and Putin qualify; and again, those well versed in Asian culture would see those qualities.
Oriental Voice–As for Carter and Ford being “two men with normal human decencies and rationale,” I suggest reviewing what they did before and during their presidencies. Ford signed off on the Warren Commission’s BigLie, was a hawk as Senator, and approved the invasion of East Timor amongst many other dastardly deeds, while Carter oversaw the implementation of Neoliberalism as both foreign and domestic policy, allowed Volker to wage war on the Labor Class in favor of the Bond Holder Class, and kindled al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 19 2023 20:42 utc | 112

sln2002 | Jun 19 2023 19:22 utc | 106–
Dr, Hudson has never “published” at Unz. His essays have been duplicated there likely without his knowledge.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 19 2023 20:44 utc | 113

karlof1@113
I am sure that you are right. But my personal view is that while Ron Unz is a foolish and ignorant man the website he maintains is a useful public service. There is a lot of racist nonsense there and all manner of the sort of creeping fascism that his ‘essay’ on WW II represents.
Still, it is best that this stuff be out in the open where honest people can judge for themselves whether or not to credit extravagant theories developed to justify McCarthyism and death squads.
The fact that he publishes Hudson’s articles does him credit which is something he is going to want when reality catches up with him.
The problem is that contrarians tend to be narcissists-so pleased with their cleverness, and so contemptuous of their audiences that they not only exculpate but enable genocidal maniacs.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 19 2023 21:01 utc | 114

@ bevin | Jun 19 2023 21:01 utc | 114
I have great philosophical and poetic affection for the Hebrew tradition. My handle is a tribute to countable infinity as taught by Georg Cantor. I explain this, in relation to the following point, in case someone wonders if I’m Jewish… Sort of. I’ve considered it. I attempt to read the Hebrew Bible from a Hebrew perspective: respectfully, as I treat similar texts from other traditions.
But I’m also “sort of” Buddhist — that is, just as restlessly and illegitimately.
My attachment to glories of the Hebrew tradition does not make me a Zionist. Zionism was an idea hatched by Nazis to demolish any legitimacy for a Hebrew church, by attaching it to disgraceful, incurable spasms of settler-colonialism. A land called Apartheid Israel (AI) — never say Palestine — the 51st and most important state of global hegemon USA.
I don’t like Israel, you see, not a bit. But I’m not at all interested in hating Jews. The problem I have is with the global hegemon, not with Jews. Every time I visit Unz’s godforsaken site, I keep stumbling into unabashed Jew-haters, like that old creep Paul Craig Roberts. Not my idea of edifying.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 19 2023 21:55 utc | 115

bevin | Jun 19 2023 21:01 utc | 114–
Agreed. There are some aspects of the past that must be known by all humanity so they aren’t repeated. I’ll have a comment on the Ukie thread related to that thought.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 19 2023 22:07 utc | 116

@ bevin 100|
“And, to repeat myself, this was because their governments were addicted to anti-communism.”
Bevin, are you criticizing those governments?
The people who lived through the Soviet era in 1920’s and 1930’s (this is the tie frame you are talking about here) – the governments and the populations of the ‘civilized Western world’ were justified in the ‘anticommunism’ – seems to me. My opinion is based on what I have read (very likely biased to some extent), and what i have heard from my family, who personally lived through the Soviet terror. And I experienced the communist terror myself in my youth in post WW 2 era.
Which means that the addiction to anticommunism had some basis in facts.

Posted by: fanto | Jun 19 2023 22:21 utc | 117

@fanto #117
Please tell us what country you are from and what “communist terror” specifically you have experienced in your youth.

Posted by: S | Jun 19 2023 22:29 utc | 118

@karlof1, #112:
Thank you for your reply. Not that I consider Ford and Carter saints, but in comparison to the POTUSes that followed them, I hold them in much higher places than these other weasels. When Brezhnev entered Afghanistan, Carter would have to do something as POTUS. Sanctioning Moskow Olympic was one, supporting Jihadi, known as al Qaeda later, was another. I do not consider Osama to be one taking order directly from Carter administration, so al Qaeda’s antics cannot be blamed on all its supporters, the US was but one of those (albeit the major one; UK being another). As for giving Volker free rein with Fed, isn’t that suppose to be the case? After all, Fed is supposed to be independent from bipartisan politics. Ford was minority House leader before being nominated to be VP. As Rep leader, he has to be a hawk. Which opposition party leaders were ever doves??? I too consider the Warren Commission Report was a blatant move to sweep dirt under the rug, but how would or could anybody push for turning the nation upside down on one’s own whim? You are high on RFKjr. Would you demand that he re-open the 911 investigation or the Nord Stream II investigations if and after he becomes POTUS? Actually, why doesn’t RFKjr. outcry about such obvious shenanigans, but yet many like you who are insightful and just still view him favorably?
No, I don’t think there have been any POTUS who are admirable since I take note of US politics, but Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter were decent people in my book.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 19 2023 22:36 utc | 119

fanto | Jun 19 2023 22:21 utc | 117
The total revalorization of a society doesn’t happen easily or blood-free. Just ask any side of any civil war that has ever occurred. Golly, are you sure you’re not too soft for real history?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen | Jun 19 2023 22:39 utc | 120

State Duma MP: Moldova will repeat Ukraine’s path of turning into anti-Russia (RIA Novosti, June 19, 2023 — in Russian)

By banning the opposition Shor party, the authorities of Moldova are rapidly repeating neighboring Ukraine’s [path] of turning their country into anti-Russia—this opinion was expressed by the leader of the Rodina party, First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Alexey Zhuravlyov.
On Monday, the Constitutional Court of Moldova granted the government’s request and declared the opposition Shor party unconstitutional. According to this decision, the party is considered dissolved, and the Ministry of Justice of the Republic was instructed to create a commission for its liquidation and exclusion from the state register. The MPs representing the party will remain in parliament, but as independents and without the right to join other political forces.
“Moldova is rapidly repeating the Ukrainian path of turning the country into anti-Russia. As soon as (current president) Maia Sandu came to power there, Chişinău immediately began repressions against all political forces that interacted with Russian ones. Former President Igor Dodon, who tried to improve ties with Moscow, was put under house arrest, and now the Shor party, which opposed the current authorities, has been outlawed. The same thing happened in the Ukraine with the opposition For Life platform,” Zhuravlyov said.
It must be noted that the Shor party and its leader first fell under sanctions in the U.S., and this directly indicates the source of everything that happens, Maia Sandu does not make a single decision without consulting with the U.S. embassy, the politician noted.
“The poorest country in Europe, at the suggestion of the U.S., refused cheap Russian gas and offered—this is not a joke—residents to heat their homes with dung. The average salary there barely covers utilities. And any attempts by Moldovan citizens to protest are immediately labeled as organized by Russia. But when U.S. President Biden visited Poland, he paid special attention to Maia Sandu and even paternally patted her on the head. This has been her main political achievement so far,” Zhuravlyov concluded.

Posted by: S | Jun 19 2023 22:41 utc | 121

re: US acting against China
The US executive branch is certainly a force to be reckoned with, led by liar Blinken and his juvenile compplaints against a five thousand year old (give or take) civilization in Asia.
Biden the complainer: “I raised U.S. concerns – shared by a growing number of countries – about the PRC’s provocative actions in the Taiwan Strait, as well as in the South and East China Seas. On Taiwan, I reiterated the longstanding U.S. “one China” policy. That policy has not changed. It’s guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three Joint Communiqués, the Six Assurances. We do not support Taiwan independence. We remain opposed to any unilateral changes to the status quo by either side. We continue to expect the peaceful resolution of cross-strait differences. We remain committed to meeting our responsibilities under the Taiwan Relations Act, including making sure that Taiwan has the ability to defend itself. We also spoke about a range of bilateral issues, including continuing to develop principles to guide our relationship, as discussed by President Biden and President Xi in Bali late last year.. . .”…here
But there is another cesspool of China-complainers in the Congress, especially in the House. They started early this year: Chairman Gallagher’s Opening Remarks, February 28, 2023 — Press Release
WASHINGTON, D.C.– Today, the Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party will hold its first hearing, titled “The Chinese Communist Party’s Threat to America”. Please find Chairman Gallagher opening remarks below, embargoed until 7:00 p.m. this evening. Chairman Gallagher: “In 1991, a Chinese academic by the name Wang Huning wrote a book called America Against America—a critique of the internal conflict he found at the heart of American society.
These days, that academic is one of the most powerful men in the world and a member of the seven-person Politburo Standing Committee, the highest governing body within the Chinese Communist Party.
‘America Against America’ also describes the strategy that Wang, Xi Jinping, and the CCP have pursued in the years since — pitting Americans, who they believe are greedy and factional, against each other to undermine our country. The CCP has found friends on Wall Street, in Fortune 500 C-suites, and on K Street who are ready and willing to oppose efforts to push back. This strategy has worked well in the past, and the CCP is confident it will work again. Our task is to ensure that it does not. Thanks to Speaker McCarthy and Leader Jeffries, we have an excellent group of thoughtful legislators on this committee. . .here
And in May, from NBC News: The bipartisan House select committee on China adopted its first set of policy recommendations Wednesday, focused on how to prevent a military conflict in Taiwan and end the mistreatment of Uyghurs by the Chinese government. The pair of reports, approved unanimously by the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party, are intended to serve as a blueprint for action in the 118th Congress. “This is not a comprehensive list of everything that needs to be done,” committee Chairman Mike Gallagher, R-Wis., told NBC News in an interview. “But it is an actionable list of things that we think this Congress can get done and will have a meaningful impact.” . . here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 19 2023 22:49 utc | 122

@ 122
should be Blinken the complainer in second paragraph

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 19 2023 22:53 utc | 123

Highly recommended is Vijay Prashad’s ‘Emergence of a New Non Alignment
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/06/19/emergence-of-a-new-non-alignment/
The art work, from poetry to paintings, is stunning too.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 19 2023 23:24 utc | 124

@Posted by: bevin | Jun 19 2023 18:31 utc | 100

Unfortunately it is something much more: it comes at a time when in the re-commitment of NATO to the objectives of Barbarossa, the celebration of the SS and Bandera, the state sponsored recreation of the Nazi project in Ukraine and eastern Europe, the general movement in the ‘west’ to recreate the censorship and criminalisation of dissent, including the banning of public protests, the criminalisation of opposition to the war on Russia and the dedication of the media and academy to imperialist objectives, Unz, while pretending to be in dissent, is telling us exactly what the ruling class wants us to believe.
Which, very simply, is that equality and social justice are the enemy. And that Fascism is preferable to, indeed necessitated by the threat of, socialism.

Put so well, when the capitalist elite finds itself unable to rule through a bourgeois cultural hegemony they turn to fascism. In the Ukraine and Eastern Europe we are seeing the “old style” fascism. Poland is in the forefront.
In Western Europe and North America we are seeing a more “liberal fascism” with policies, actions and statements supporting “anti-racism” and “LGBTQ+” rights and “democracy” etc, while the state spies on all communications, selective prosecution becomes widely used, the FBI secret police are used to intimidate and create false flags through the use of dupes, the media is completely controlled with an ever decreasing island of more free journalism, and warmongering revved up against “authoritarian” governments (i.e. Russia, China and Iran).
Woke McCarthyism is all around us. Its just been revealed that Berkeley University has for years been grading the staff and faculty on their commitment to DEI, with candidates being forced to make formal statements about their support for DEI in the hiring process – with lower scores for not actively supporting DEI and not supporting policies which meany people may find objectionable (e.g. separate “safe” spaces based on ethnicity and gender). What about free speech and academic excellence? The utter hypocrisy of DEI is shown by places such as Harvard concocting “cultural” and “psychological” reasons to turn down Asian students so that they can keep enough space for the kids of donors, professors and other “preferred” students. At the same time the black “quota” is heavily taken up by elite kids from Africa (e.g. Nigeria) whose ancestors were never US slaves. Also with the hatred of Russians that is being officially supported across the West. So much for “anti-racism”.

Posted by: Roger | Jun 19 2023 23:32 utc | 125

fanto@117
Anti-communism was not about correcting any excesses of particular governments or improving the futyre lives of individuals. It was the ideology of ruling classes determined to prevent the emergence of any political challenge to their interests and to organise terrorism to wipe out putative critics of the systems which kept most of the world’s population on the brink of death by malnutrition.
Anti-communism is the ideology of imperialism the most evil and dangerous sysatem that the world has ever experienced. A system which, as most objective observers realise, is destroying the planet in order to preserve the rule of an increasingly small oligarchy.
When anti-communists succeeded in their campaign to break up the Soviet Union living standards, material and otherwise, plummeted and the life expectancy of those living in the former Union declined dramatically.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 19 2023 23:38 utc | 126

Oriental Voice | Jun 19 2023 22:36 utc | 119–
Thanks for your reply. I’m not as “high” on RFKjr as you assume. What I see in him is expressed by Crooke:
“This possibly represents the dizzying political realignment now under way – the scrambling of all of the traditional categories and leaving in its wake just two sides; not left and right, but insider and outsider.”
As for the Fed, despite what its founding documents say it’s always been politicized, and al-Qaeda was directly supplied by CIA just as OUN and all the other regiments in the Outlaw US Empire’s Terrorist Foreign Legion. Of course, Ford wasn’t the only politician compromised by okaying Warren. I actually met and shook hands with that traitor Earl Warren, although I didn’t know how evil he was at the time (1966).
I’m curious you said nothing about my appraisal of Putin as a Sage King.
Don Bacon | Jun 19 2023 22:49 utc | 122–
When policy is formulated on lies and distortions, you get very bad policy, and that’s what we’re seeing and have gotten for decades. Crooke made a good observation in his article today that’s linked above:

Put starkly: The U.S. must persist in Ukraine. Why? To save the now threatened ‘Rules-Based Order’.
The impossibility of doing other (than keep escalating in the hope of at least ‘freezing’ the conflict, as a long favoured U.S. default option) will be portrayed as compelling. Simply said, the Permanent State lacks the courage to take hard decisions – to say to Moscow, ‘Let us put this unfortunate episode (Ukraine) behind us. Dig out those draft treaties you wrote in December 2021, and let’s see how we can work together, to restore some functionality again to Europe’.
And of course, the ‘impossibility of doing anything other’ applies in spades to the western economic system. The structural contradictions make anything ‘other’ than bailouts and spending more than is earned impossible. It is culturally hard-baked into the self-centred, spoilt-child ethos of the ‘Comfort’ generation who are the western élites. A failure of culture – of courage to face hard choices with integrity.
This is the western paradox. A Greek tragedy is one in which the crisis – at the heart of any ‘tragedy’ – does not arise by sheer mischance, for which no-one is really to be blamed, or could have foreseen. The Greek sense is that tragedy is where something happens, because it has to happen; because of the nature of the participants; because the actors involved make it happen. And they have no choice, but to make it happen, because that is their nature.
This is the deeper implication that flows from today’s tragic dilemma that might well segue into a full unfolding of tragedy in what would correctly be defined as a western ‘war of choice’. [My Emphasis]

The great political question for those of us residing within the Empire is: Will someone arise and defuse the coming Tragedy or will we be fated to live with its consequences?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 19 2023 23:44 utc | 127

An interesting video on how “human rights activists” are made by the security state and the NGO complex so that they can attack governments that the West does not like. The example is Jhanisse Vaca Daza who is actually a descendent of a previous Bolivian dictator and loved the coup President Anez who massacred indigenous protestors, while being a “human rights activist”. The video notes the the role of the Human Rights Foundation as a production line of such propagandists.
The Making of Jhanisse Vaca Daza – Constructing a ‘Human Rights Activist’

Posted by: Roger | Jun 20 2023 0:02 utc | 128

On June 10, 2023, Shoygu ordered all volunteer forces to be integrated into the structure of the Russian Armed Forces by July 1, 2023. This led to a flurry of angry reactions by Wagner commanders, including charges of RuAF’s incompetence at Palmyra, and Prigozhin shockingly accusing Shoygu of setting up the massacre of Wagner fighters at Khasham.
I suspect that some of the regular commenters are mad at me for translating those posts, although I never said anything about the veracity of Prigozhin’s claims, I simply translated them—because I don’t want MoA to turn into an echo chamber.
Anyway, this article by the Russian conservative/Orthodox/slightly anti-Soviet media Tsargrad contains a section discussing why some volunteer fighters are feeling uneasy about the coming changes:


However, it should be noted that it’s not just the Wagner PMC that is wary about the prospect of signing a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense. Based on personal communication with volunteer fighters, as well as the statements of fighters and their relatives on social media, we can list several points that are making people wary.
First, “ustavshchina” [a tendency of some Russian commanders to obsess over strictly following unimportant or archaic military regulations — S]. The volunteer fighters fear that they will be forced to hem their collars, stand on nightstands [a form of punishment — S], salute their seniors and shave their beards off, “Sobolev-style.” There are also fears that the fighters will be ordered to change from comfortable Mokh or Gorka camouflage into army’s “digital” (pixel) camouflage, which is often of poor quality, does not let air through in the heat, does not provide warmth in the cold and literally falls apart in the field. Or they will be forced to change from comfortable and foot-protecting Lowa tactical boots or Belarussian Garsing summer boots into army boots that are literally killing feet.
Secondly, submitting to an unknown officer. Many volunteer fighters join the units led by specific commanders who have authority in the combat environment. They join them because they know that they won’t destroy their personnel in frontal attacks, they will treat the fighters like fathers and won’t leave them in a difficult situation. Therefore, many volunteer fighters fear that when they will be reassigned to the Ministry of Defense, the opinion of their commanders will cease to be significant and they will begin to be treated as expendable material.
Third, pay cuts. It is far from secret that the volunteer fighters are paid much more than contract servicemen. In some cases, the difference reaches 100 thousand rubles. Many volunteer fighters are older men with families who want to be sure that, while they are risking their lives for their homeland, their relatives won’t be left alone with financial difficulties.
Fourth, the perpetuity of the contract. Initially, volunteer fighters were offered contracts of two, three or six months. In the end, only the half-year option remained, which is a good thing—a fighter manages not only to learn to shoot and coordinate, but also to start actually fighting. Whereas the Ministry of Defense is now offering contract servicemen and the mobilized the so-called “termless contract”—until the Victory.
Considering how long the SMO has been dragging on, and that no one can predict when it will end, this is not at all suitable for many volunteer fighters—again, mature men with families and often with their own businesses. Who cannot leave both their relatives and their affairs in civilian life unattended for an indefinite period.

Posted by: S | Jun 20 2023 0:08 utc | 129

Below is the wording from a Xinhuanet posting about Blinken’s words to Xi today

For his part, Blinken conveyed President Biden’s greetings to President Xi. He said President Biden believes that the United States and China have an obligation to responsibly manage their relations, adding that this is in the interests of the United States, China and the world.
The United States is committed to returning to the agenda set by the two presidents in Bali, Blinken said, adding that the United States stands by the commitments made by President Biden, namely that the United States does not seek a new Cold War, it does not seek to change China’s system, its alliances are not directed at China, it does not support “Taiwan independence,” and it does not seek conflict with China.
The U.S. side looks forward to having high-level engagement with the Chinese side, keeping open lines of communication, responsibly managing differences, and pursuing dialogue, exchanges and cooperation, he added.

Parsing these words and watching for the actions that would back them up will be the test of sincerity.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 20 2023 0:43 utc | 130

@karlof1, #127:

I’m curious you said nothing about my appraisal of Putin as a Sage King.

LOL!!! Yeah I overlooked your comment regarding Putin and Xi. I regard highly of both these two leaders. Among the national leaders of today, I don’t think of anyone else who would come close to these two in terms wisdom, integrity, benevolence for not just their own countrymen but also the world at large, and to boot, highly competent as to beating off those who are antagonizing them. Rare persona for national leadership. Between the two, I actually admire Putin more than Xi, because Putin seems more decisive.
But by Sage King, I suppose you are comparing Putin to Confucius. Well, here I would be more cautious. Confucius won my admiration because he originated humanity values and doctrines that have proved to stand the passage of time and cultures. Values that made us become aware of what is meant by being human. I haven’t seen that in any other giants of thought or learnings in history, let alone in the short periods of our contemporary history. He would have to come up with something to strike our soul, and that something would have to stand the test of time of at least a millennium, before I would call him a Sage King :-))). I’m just rather stingy with my adoration 🙂

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 20 2023 0:47 utc | 131

Oriental Voice | Jun 20 2023 0:47 utc | 131–
Thanks for your reply. I’ve been studying Confucian political-economic thought recently and came upon the Sage King concept. My reason for doing so is what I see in the proposals and behaviors of Putin and Xi seems very similar to Confucian Virtue Politics. I’m merely a student of that system of thought not someone who was immersed in it as I assume you were, which is why I asked. My previous experience as an martial arts student of an Asian style combined with what I know of Asian thought and what I see being said and practiced in China and Russia have made me curious because of the similarities I observe. It also works with what IMO is the next step humanity must take in its evolution that I’ve expressed here several times. Thanks again for your POV.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 1:12 utc | 132

ZH has a posting up from anitwar.com with the title below
Putin Reveals Draft Treaty On Ukrainian Neutrality From March 2022 Which Nearly Ended War
It is not the MSM as many would like but it is not totally buried….yet

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 20 2023 1:25 utc | 133

I just watched the long interview of RFK junior by Joe Rogan, It is hands down the most comprehensive interview on vaccines in general and the jab in particular i’ve ever seen.
Mostly because RFK has been campaigning and defending people over vaccine injuries (and environmental damage)long before covid, which gives him a huge body of knowledge and experience and a lot of credibility. He comes across as very intelligent and passionate and I believe him to be quite sincere in his motivations to help others.
The political part of the interview, the last hour or so of three hours is not as convincing. While agreeing that Russia has the moral high ground in the SMO and that Ukraine is breaking the Minsk accords, and is run by Nazis and killing their own citizens, he called Putin a thug and a criminal.
For someone who is campaigning to be President of the USA this is a huge diplomatic blunder, it is inconsistent with his other views on Russia, it is completely disrespectful of the Russian people who vote for Putin and maybe even a dog whistle to the “its right and good good to hate Putin” belief that floods the US “left”.
In this interview RFK is uncomfortably pro US military even though he is claiming to be anti war. He claims his son went to Ukraine without telling his parents. I find it hard to believe that this family of all families did not know their son was a machine gunner for the “Foreign Legion” aka American Mercs in Ukraine. So he is telling a few porkies already.
RFK comes across as a Liberal Populist reactionary who wants to return the USA to the good old days when America was a role model for consumer democracy. I’m not American so its not personal for me, he might be the best choice of who is running, but he is yet another American Exceptionalist, running on a peace platform, now where have we heard that before?
I believe this interview is on spotify, I only have this Rumble link as I don’t use Spotify.
its worth watching for the environmental and vaccine part and to get a good sense of what RFK is about.
https://rumble.com/v2ujfts-joe-rogan-interviews-robert-f.-kennedy-jr.-the-complete-unedited-interview-.html

Posted by: K | Jun 20 2023 1:41 utc | 134

How indefatigable efforts for the well being of humanity can be frustrated by short sighted politicians with skewed priorities, one exhibit among many discovered by Jamestown foundation.
“Tbilisi. Georgian Dream [the name of the ruling party] moves for economic gains over security guarantees.”
Imagine that: the government of our putative ally wants to build a new civilian airport near the capital on the site of former Soviet air base that could become a perfectly located massive NATO airbase. Even when a country is poor, it should preserve such globally essential site for future use! Even worse, there are reasons to believe that this saccharine named wolf in sheep clothing is not serious at all about joining NATO.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 20 2023 2:02 utc | 135

K | Jun 20 2023 1:41 utc | 134–
Thanks K for that report. It appears RFKjr wants to project the notion that he’s openminded when he’s not, thus your interpretation of him being a reactionary. Reactionaries are not what we need here nor what the world needs here. Unfortunately, given what the courts have decided, the D-Party can nominate whoever it wants regardless of all public input via primaries or at the Convention. That’s why Naryshkin’s depiction of Western elites is so accurate: “Euro-Atlantic totalitarian-liberal elite.” Bastiat was 100% correct that the legal system’s been designed to make elite rule politically impossible to alter, at least here within the Empire. The only recourse is Jefferson’s.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 2:10 utc | 136

The game here being played ad nauseum by the Jewish Bolsheviks is obfuscating the persona of Stalin and by extension the ruling elites of the Soviet Party.
Take for instance, bevin, who once wrote that, “Stalin lost his edge late in life.”
What “edge” here is bevin referring to? It is the “socialism-in-one-country” stance of Stalin, who, when he had gathered enough territory at the end of WW2 and ran up against the liberal west, had to admit to himself that, to save the image of communism in the face of stagnant growth, where the water became quickly full of anaerobic poison through the contradiction of international communism existing statically and unable to surmount western liberalism, the game was already lost.
So you see, in one breath, bevin extols Stalin for not engaging in expansionism at the point of a rifle…for being a dumb, sleeping giant in the face of the horrific Barbarossa. And in the next, bevin reveals what he truly values about Stalin in his early years: that he was not a “socialism-in-one-country” proponent but rather fully a Marixst-Leninist acolyte. So when did Stalin become so weak-minded in bevin’s eyes? Was this pre- or post-Barbarossa? He does not say, but he does not have to.
At one point, Stalin was a ambitious communist leader worthy of bevin’s respect.
But…if you dare question the mainstream narrative of Stalin being asleep at the wheel and utterly defenseless against the fascist hordes…that Stalin begged for the lives of his innocent soldiers being slaughtered by the Wehrmacht at the outset. If you dare suggest that Stalin was before Barbarossa anything but a peaceful lamb grazing quietly, you are literally a genocidal maniac.
No, Stalin is everything all at once in the eyes of the communist propagandist.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 20 2023 2:44 utc | 137

@ karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 2:10 utc | 136
the D-Party can nominate whoever it wants regardless of all public input via primaries or at the Convention.
. . .but but but. . .from the White House . . .
President Biden has called the struggle to bolster democratic governance at home and abroad the defining challenge of our time. That is because democracy—transparent and accountable government of, for, and by the people—remains the best way to realize lasting peace, prosperity, and human dignity. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 20 2023 2:58 utc | 138

Thanks for thoughtful replies from S @ 118, Concerned Citizen @ 120 and bevin @ 126.
S – I am a little surprised that you ask to ‘bare my soul’ here and say where I am from. Why would you want to know? Let me just say. it was not Russia. I witnessed at age 9 when my father was taken late in the evening by secret service, men in long coats, put in a small truck without windows, he returned home next day. Later, I witnessed myself how my father was humiliated in a public forum, in front of perhaps 200 people, for totally contrived allegations. On another occasion, I was led away, with arms twisted behind my back (not handcuffed though) – by a local policeman – to a local police station, at age about 15, and interrogated, but was let go home. My brother could not attend medical school, because our family was in the ‘intelligentsia’ category. I admit, those experiences were local. My older brother, was interrogated by secret service and accused of “western deviations because he was in a circle of young students playing bridge… “. The idea that one could have a good career in life was only possible if you joined the party, or as a youngster, the “pioneers”.
Concerned Citizen – thank you for your input. Maybe I am too soft for the ‘real world’ – That does not minimize the facts of Bolshevik/ or ‘communist’ regimes. I think that the term ‘communism’ is not appropriate for what was going on in Soviet Union or the s.c. ‘communist countries’. These were kind for lack of better words – pseudo-communist regimes, actually an oligarchy of a monopolistic party.
Finally, bevin: thank you for you deep answer. You are ‘too soft’ on Stalin regime and give his regime too much credit for wanting a better world, seems to me. Solzenitsyn wrote about those years and it was not complimentary. I do not doubt that the Western regimes were out to get Soviet Union and Stalin was giving them excellent material to propagandize against Soviet Union and Russia as a whole.
At least, in the USA, as a white guy, I have the advantage when stopped by the cops, that I will not be shot on the spot…

Posted by: fanto | Jun 20 2023 3:16 utc | 139

Russian historian and writer Aleksandr Dyukov is an employee of the Russian Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Russian History, head of the Historical Memory foundation and a member of a commission of the Presidential Council for Interethnic Relations.
Today Dyukov made a few Telegram posts on Lenin and “Ukraine” that may be of interest to MoA’s socialists and communists:

It’s amazing, actually, that Luxemburg, a Polish Jew, Shaumian, an Armenian, Stalin, a Georgian, and Dzerzhinsky, a Pole, were Velikorussian chauvinists in Lenin’s interpretation. When in 1914 Shaumian told Lenin that he was exaggerating the threat of “Velikorussian nationalism,” Lenin called him an accomplice of Purishkevich, that is, a black-hundredist. (link)

The fact that Lenin has started to actively use the words “Ukraine” and “Ukrainians” only in 1912, after reading S. Shchyogolev’s Ukrainian movement as the modern stage of South Russian separatism (and only later started reading Grushevskiy), provides a stark characterization of how active and widespread “the Ukrainian movement” really was. It was nowhere to be seen. (link)

Through collective efforts, we have established Lenin’s mentions of the words “Ukraine” and “Ukrainians.”
The first mention of these words was in 1907 and was nothing more than quoting and recounting the positions of two “Ukrainian” members of the State Duma. Later, the word “Ukraine” was mentioned two times in 1909, when recounting the position of “Ukrainian social democrats.” That is, Lenin was only quoting.
However, since November 1912 he started actively expressing his own views on the topic of “Ukraine” and “Ukrainians”—there have been more than 80 mentions of these words in a year and a half.
And you know what? Lenin has started displaying a systematic interest in the Ukrainian topic in particular and the national question in general soon after arriving in Austro-Hungarian Krakow. It’s truly surprising how a place can affect one’s interests. (link)

In case the above sounds too vague. Some modern Russian historians think that Lenin fell under the spell of anti-Velikorussian (and thus anti-Russian) narratives about Malorussia after coming into close contact with Galicians. (These narratives having been originally created by Polish nobility in early 19th century specifically for the purpose of tearing Malorussia away from Velikorussia—“If we can’t have the Ukraine, neither should Muscovy!”)

Posted by: S | Jun 20 2023 3:53 utc | 140

fanto | Jun 20 2023 3:16 utc | 139–
It’s very clear to many globally that we must turn the page on those times which include our own. The quest for control sans virtue must be eradicated, but that must be done while being mindful not to become like those being purged. And by purged, I mean being removed and placed where no more harm can be done in a humane manner. Some say that’s an impossible goal; I say it isn’t.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 3:56 utc | 141

@ S | Jun 20 2023 0:08 utc | 129 – “some of the regular commenters are mad at me”
For the record I want to say that I greatly value your posts, and have for a long time. And although I typically don’t read large blocks of text that could easily be given through a simple link, when it comes to translations of rare material and deep Russian viewpoints such as you post, I read it all.
As far as I could guess, no one is mad at you for your posts. And you have offered a lot, over time, and of great value.
Many thanks for everything you offer. You make a good point that it could perhaps become an echo chamber here. But that said, it’s also a sanctuary of a certain consensus, a rare enough haven in the western propaganda – so we strive to protect that sanctuary.
I suspect we are strong enough to maintain objectivity and brave enough to absorb your reports.
Keep ’em coming 🙂

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 20 2023 4:02 utc | 142

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 2:10 utc | 136
By reactionary I meant that he is very much a liberal traditionalist and wants the US to go back to better times, as opposed to revolutionary. I’d say that coming from that extensive and powerful political family he can break the traditional liberal mold only so far, but who knows?
He is somewhat of an enigma because he clearly has an open mind on many issues, including who killed his father and also clearly is a true scientist with an enquiring mind. I really appreciate his work against big pharma.
I have to wonder if his being stuck in the past politically might be down to his significant childhood trauma.

Posted by: K | Jun 20 2023 4:05 utc | 143

Unz’s article is just one more in a series designed to obscure the historical reality that the underlying cause of the Second World War was anti-communism. Which, not coincidentally, has also been the dominant ideology of imperialism since the war ended.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 19 2023 18:31 utc | 100
Before this thread is forgotten and all the west folk call it a day I want to thank those who have responded to the Unz article.
Bevin, S, Oriental Voice, karlof1, Roger, fanto, and maybe more that I forget in haste to post for time zone reasons, Thank You!
(At the risk of dampening the good vibes that your responses generated, I will remind the bar to note just who it was that posted the
link to the Unz article which was, as bevin so succinctly exposed, nothing more and nothing less than a ‘disgraceful apologia for fascism’.)

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 20 2023 4:32 utc | 144

Posted by: bevin | Jun 19 2023 18:31 utc | 100
Mike Whitney is a raving anti-Semite masquerading as an anti-Zionist preacher of populism.
Great comment, BTW, but I’d appreciate some links or suggestions about books to back some of it up. Unz’s series does raise some interesting revisionist history that I think is difficult to refute, but I don’t necessarily doubt that it can be refuted. I’m just an engineer and not a historian, so I haven’t really read a lot about it other than what I glean from comments and the suggestions they contain on sites like this.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 4:34 utc | 145

@ K | Jun 20 2023 4:05 utc | 143
Regarding Robert Kennedy and his geopolitical simplicity.
In the USA right now, we have a President suffering from clinical dementia. Frankly, if anyone could replace him with even one sound viewpoint or policy, this is better than anything else on offer.
~~
In this day and age, I take what I can get from anyone.
I read fantastic commentary on the economy, only to find the author is cynical on Russia or Iran, and completely blind on China. I read breakthroughs on the concept that the pandemic was human-created, only to hear that it leaked from China, and not that it was seeded from Ft. Dietrich.
I encounter countless viewpoints on one narrow topic that is superb, only to find that the author has never studied, or taken the red pill, on another topic.
I have to ask myself, what the fuck does it matter, if I have strong support on one viewpoint from this source, that I have to go elsewhere, and hold firm to what I know, for support on another?
~~
I find that RFK jr is changing the country’s mind on the national disaster of public health, and calling out the corporate-profit motive that underlies the entirety of it – the entirety of it – and yet he thinks that Putin is a thug.
Well. Suck egg mule.
I don’t think that Putin is a thug but not for one micro-second do I care to dispute this viewpoint with a man who is changing the entire view of an entire large country with regard to its entire healthcare model.
~~
And I’m saying this in a forum in which I may disagree with everyone with whom I agree, daily, always, on something or other.
If we’re going to get operational in this world, we have to excuse the foibles of our allies and focus on the goals of the alliance of the moment.
And frankly, I never expected Robert Kennedy to become the next president. But I am on fire to see the concepts he is bringing to the surface consciousness of everyday USA.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 20 2023 4:35 utc | 146

Posted by: fanto | Jun 20 2023 3:16 utc | 139
Man, that is the type of commentary that brings me back to MoA over and over. Just nothing else to say except thank you.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 4:36 utc | 147

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 20 2023 4:35 utc | 146
I’m with you on all but one point re: RFK Jr. Namely, his pro-Zionist “ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO EXIST FUCK PALESTINIANS” bullshit that I’ll never be able to get over. Does anything in his campaign platform address that? Because I can goddamn well tell you he’s getting AIPAC money somehow when he’s willing to toe that line. Please prove me wrong, because any potential President that thinks like that can fuck right off.
http://www.imparalavita.ch/eng/palestine_history.html

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 4:39 utc | 148

K | Jun 20 2023 4:05 utc | 143–
Thanks for your reply. I agree and admit I see his quest as enigmatic. There’s no way he’ll be awarded the D-Party nomination for POTUS, and IMO he must know that as he’s a lawyer and the legal decision that bars him isn’t being well hidden. IMO, his aim is to raise public awareness–a massive FYI campaign to rile the public, and the public must be riled. The 2024 POTUS game has over 16 months to go and more will assuredly occur.
Grieved | Jun 20 2023 4:02 utc | 142–
I want you to know that I’ve seen most of your comments at Global South but didn’t have time for responses on most of those occasions. Nor do I read everything that’s posted there as I read most of it elsewhere.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 4:47 utc | 149

“I do not doubt that the Western regimes were out to get Soviet Union and Stalin was giving them excellent material to propagandize against Soviet Union and Russia as a whole.” – fanto
This is a latent theory of mine that makes me wish I were a younger man, or at least someone with more time on my hands and more brain cells to rub together productively.
Namely, that it is a chief and underlying goal of the US/UK and trans-national capitalist ruling elites to infiltrate and otherwise sabotage socialist/communist societies and governments such that it makes them take “extreme” measures domestically in order to maintain the peace. This includes expelling “civil society” (i.e., regime change color revolution fomenting orgs) and clamping down on dissent in a manner that is easy to then sell to Western “free and democratic” audiences as proof that communism or socialism is by nature evil and authoritarian. You can see it happening in the treatment and coverage of China and Venezuela, not to mention Cuba for example, in the western media and government (read: sanctions and coup attempts) policy.
So in essence the intent is to clamp so thoroughly down on non-extractive/financier capitalist-aligned countries and foment enough discontent as a result to create conditions that almost even justify brutal repression of dissent and/or the appearance thereof.
It’s part of the playbook FFS. And I’d appreciate any rational rebuttals or reading material suggestions to aid this point of mine that I no longer feel like I have the years left in me to research on my own.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 4:48 utc | 150

I wish I’d thought to include mention of Tiananmen Square. The bullshit narrative that the protesters were peaceful and cracked down hard upon and the young man standing in front of a (retreating!) tank.
We are constantly sold lies here in the capitalist “democratic” west. Nothing is out of bounds when the “enemy” is a socialist or communist country.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 4:52 utc | 151

I don’t think that Putin is a thug but not for one micro-second do I care to dispute this viewpoint with a man who is changing the entire view of an entire large country with regard to its entire healthcare model.
f we’re going to get operational in this world, we have to excuse the foibles of our allies and focus on the goals of the alliance of the moment.
And frankly, I never expected Robert Kennedy to become the next president. But I am on fire to see the concepts he is bringing to the surface consciousness of everyday USA.
Posted by: Grieved | Jun 20 2023 4:35 utc | 146
Yes I agree with you especially with what he is bringing out into public consciousness, well at least the part of the public that already watches Joe Rogan. Sadly this is far from the entire country. But its a big start. I’m not tearing him down just noticing some inconsistencies, but as I sad no US POTUS hopeful would be any different out of the gate.
Not being American I think one of the failures of the majority of American people is not understanding the huge impact of US foreign policy even on the domestic situation, so forgive me if I do think it is alarming that he is calling Putin a thug, he can think it but a statesman doesn’t say it out loud.
Anyway its just IMO thanks for responding and I wish that the US gets a smart, benign president for a change.

Posted by: K | Jun 20 2023 5:05 utc | 152

@ Grieved | Jun 20 2023 4:35 utc | 146 with the perspective on RFK Jr
Your thoughts are always appreciated.
RFK Jr is a product of America just like Trump, Bill Gates, Jamie Dimon and the rest of us.
I think Trump is a Liberace grifter but appreciate that he has helped upset the US political applecart.
Bill Gates with his loser DOS OS promoted by IBM is an example of a bought man facing mediocre technology with world class marketing/sales.
Jamie Dimon is the head of JP Morgan Chase, the largest private finance leech society has ever seen as summarized from a 2020 Better Markets report

“…JPMorgan Chase has a 20-year long RAP sheet that includes at least 80 major legal actions that have resulted in over $39 billion in fines and settlements. That RAP sheet, detailed below, reveals wide-ranging, predatory, and recidivist lawbreaking – some admitted, some alleged — from 1998 through 2019. The bottom line is this: JPMorgan Chase has reportedly committed scores of illegal acts and preyed upon and ripped off countless Main Street Americans with a frequency and severity that is shocking in its depth and breadth.
“Any other business in America with that recidivist record would almost certainly have been shut down by prosecutors long ago; executives at any other business in America with that recidivist record would likely be serving long prison sentences. But not JPMorgan Chase. Instead, this gigantic, wealthy, powerful, politically connected and too-big-to-fail Wall Street bank repeatedly gets favorable treatment by the government and is repeatedly allowed to use shareholders’ money to pay fines and buy get-out-of-jail-free cards for its executives in sweetheart settlements.”

And these are the people in FRONT of the curtain of God Of Mammon deceit that is never discussed in the West. Are China/Russia going to negotiate with these folks when the music stops? The lesser of evils is RFK Jr with his focus on taking down some of the financialization of our government which would be good, IMO, if extended to other aspects of government.
One goes into a civilization war with the cretins that you have, not the ones that you might like leading social evolution….we get the best government we demand……. the meek are not use to standing up for human rights but may fall in behind China/Russia leadership example…..I hope

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 20 2023 5:08 utc | 153

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 4:52 utc | 151–
Nothing is out of bounds when the “enemy” is a socialist or communist country.
It makes no difference. Ask all of the Global South. There’s a small book called The Shark and the Sardines that testifies to that fact. The following blurb is from Amazon.com:
“This book has been read and reread by millions of people in Latin America. It is one of the most popular books ever to be published south of our border – and one of the most shattering profiles of the United States ever to appear in print. “The Shark and the Sardines” tells why so many Latin-Americans are disillusioned about the United States, indignant at our practices and aroused to action. Throughout Latin America a new generation is coming into its own, determined to change conditions, to alleviate poverty, spread literacy and destroy the roots of graft and injustice. These, they claim, are inherited conditions…conditions blamed on past and present policies of the United States. This is not a happy book for Americans to read, but it gives us a much-needed opportunity to see ourselves as others see us.”
I have my own English copy and used it when I taught.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 5:12 utc | 154

My wife shared this with me a few minutes ago and it’s really good:
I was once visible but now identify as transparent. My pronouns are Who and Where.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 5:25 utc | 155

@ karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 5:25 utc | 155 with the
I was once visible but now identify as transparent. My pronouns are Who and Where.
Absolutely precious, thanks to your wife and her sources

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 20 2023 5:38 utc | 156

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 5:12 utc | 154
Thank you. I will find a non-Amazon copy and buy it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 6:16 utc | 157

The RF acts nice to Georgia throwing the country into turmoil:
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2023/05/15/putin-sends-georgia-in-a-catch-22-situation/

Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 20 2023 6:47 utc | 158

It’s part of the playbook FFS. And I’d appreciate any rational rebuttals or reading material suggestions to aid this point of mine
that I no longer feel like I have the years left in me to research on my own.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 4:48 utc | 150
Tom, I agree and feel the same. I have a few years on you I think and can’t go after all I would like to in more detail either. I just
looked at The Shark and the Sardines that karlof1 linked (5:12 utc | 154) to at the Internet Archive.
(A ‘short’ book he says. 264 pages short, heh)
Anyway, I keep Int. Archive open on my computer and go there whenever a book is recommended. Then I do a quick overview of the
table of contents and structure and if it looks interesting I browse thru it a bit. Most of the time I don’t read the entire book but get some
reinforcement for what I’ve learned over the years. I just read the intoduction and see that it is a precurser to
Galeano’s Open Veins of Latin America, so certainly worthy.
A quote from the intro:
“This book was written with indignation – indignation wrapped from time to time in irony.
It declares that international treaties are a farce when they are pacted (sic) between a Shark and a sardine”.
Yay, and hello Putin, Lavrov, Maria Z., Xi & Co., and that entire welcome push against the Shark!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 20 2023 7:09 utc | 159

[100]
So Baldwin and Chamberlain were discredited but not MacDonald ?!!!
It was Churchill who defamed them to cover his own culpability. Churchill fell out with Baldwin after the consequences of Return to Gold 1925 and General Strike and Invergordon Mutiny that ensued because of Churchill‘s ineptitude as Finance Minister 1925-29 when he savaged Defence Sending stopping workmen fortifications in Singapore and created the Ten Year Rule — no war for 10 years and then simply rolled it forward as he cut spending
He opposed Baldwin on Home Rule for India 1935 and obstructed the Bill even running candidates againstbthe Conservative Party which is why Baldwin kept humming Back Benches
The Finance Minister who cleaned up Churchill‘s mess was Chamberlain who started re-armament after 1935 funding radar and Spitfire and Lancaster bomber and shadow factories and industrial parks like Trafford Park and RR Crewe factory
Churchill‘ father had been fierce rival of Chamberlain‘s father and Churchill could not let Chamberlain reveal how Winston had denuded British defence strength nor how he worked behind Chamberlain‘s back at the admiralty in secret communication with Roosevelt. Nor how the Narvik Campaign was designed by Churchill and enabled him to remove Chamberlain
Nor how in first 10 days of May 1940 the Foreign Office under R A B Butler (related to current Archbishop of Canterbury) was plotting to remove Churchill

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 20 2023 7:11 utc | 160

Mike Sheldon weighs in on the future of USA fracced oil production….
https://www.oilystuffblog.com/single-post/what-s-declining-what-s-not-in-the-permian
“Initial well productivity, when normalized for lateral length, has been declining in core areas of both sub-basins in the Permian Basin since 2017. According to Novi Labs and Goehring and Rozencwajg Resource Investments, left, an eight (8) percent decline in 2022 alone. Add THAT to the 70-90% decline in production the first 32 months of well life. Yikes.
This decline in productivity is occurring in spite of much longer laterals and more proppant loading per perforated foot. It is likely because of overdrilling and pressure depletion. It is NOT reversible short of expensive gas re-injection. The dookey about new frac technology, or re-frac’ing that will double US shale oil production is really stinky. Give us a break after 10 years, will ‘ya? Please stop lying.
These Permian wells don’t start off slow, then pick up steam as they get older; they decline like throwing a rock off a roof.
Estimated ultimate recovery (EUR) per well is also dropping. Every American concerned about its oily future should be very concerned about that.
Total produced water production in the Permian Basin, end of 2022, was estimated to be 15.o MM BWPD, enough salt water to completely fill Lake Travis, north of Austin, Texas (1.2 MM acre feet) every 1 and one half years.
Oil/water ratios (OWR) in both sub-basins of the Permian have been steadily declining since the HZ tight oil play began in 2014.
OWR in the Midland Basin can often now average 5 BW: 1 BO and in the Delaware Basin 10 BW: 1 BO (Permian Basin Oil & Gas Magazine, Produced Water Society, DOE).
As injection volumes and pressures go up, places to put this produced water are also declining, rapidly.
Groundwater supplies in arid West Texas, where frac source water comes from, is also declining. The percentage of produced water recycled for frac source water is pretty much the same as it was six years ago (Produced Water Society).
Honesty and journalistic integrity in reporting about the Permian Basin HZ play is declining. Big time.
Prior to 2020. many Permian HZ players (Pioneer, Devon, EOG, Diamondback, Conoco) based economic guidance, and remaining drilling locations within their acreage blocks on crude + condensate representing 70-75% of their revenue stream. Their investor presentations claimed 70% oil rates for the next 25 years. You can google that.
As gas to oil ratios (GOR) have increased across both sub-basins, associated gas volumes have skyrocketed and crude oil and condensate as a percentage of the well’s revenue stream has declined to 50%, not 70% forever as promised. Bubble point is a bitch. FANGS oil production in its 2022 10K was 53%. Pioneer Resources, below, operating in the guts of the Delaware Basin, reports 50% oil now. Pioneer Natural Resources, the big boy in Saudi America, is just as bad.
The “quality” of oil, if that is what you want to call it, from HZ tight wells in the Permian Basin, particularly the Delaware sub-basin, is declining. It’s very light and getting lighter. This typically is more difficult to refine and a lot of Permian tight oil is being sold at a growing discount to West Texas Intermediate (Houston), Brent and Feteh in Dubai. Sadly for America, once Permian tight oil production declines to US refinery absorption rates (4.8 MM BOPD) and oil exports cease out of necessity, the shit won’t be worth refining. We will have shot ourselves in both feet, and both knees.
Look at the table below for the most current Waha spot prices for Permian Basin associated gas and NGL’s. Inflationary D&C costs are down 4-5% the past year, maybe; OPEX, including produced water handling and disposal is going thru the roof, however. The burden that 40,000 HZ wells in a hot, arid part of Texas puts on the electric grid is enormous; electricity costs per Kwh is to the moon. IRR’s have declined in the Permian Basin to low to mid single digits.
An investor can earn as much, or more, from bank certificates than it can owning working interest in a typical Permian Wolfcamp well. Enthusiasm for investment is definitely declining.
Equity (assets) to debt ratios are declining and traditional enders have R U N N-O F T. Forever. The new scheme in town for raising money is bonds.
Well economics suck in the Permian right now. Higher oil prices won’t fix the problem, not when 50% of ones revenue stream and profit margins are based on associated gas prices and natural gas liquids prices. What the tight oil sector needs is much higher natural gas prices, the take away and LNG export facilities to then get that gas to Europe. If you wish to invest in the long term viability of that, help yourself. Not me. When solution gas driven shale oil containers deplete, so does the associated gas. Besides, if you think this Permian gas can compete with Qatar gas, your not thinking straight.”

The anger against Trump has a reason…. Trump put off the war of Ukie-NATO vs Russia until
the US lost it’s ace in the hole of Tight Oil Production. That has now fallen off the cliff.
This specifically means that NATO does not have the fuel to run it’s war….. NOW!!!
That coupled with loss in manpower… weaps that simply do not work…
MEANS…
Game over!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 20 2023 10:13 utc | 161

Posted by: S | Jun 19 2023 19:23 utc | 108
@Scorpion #88:
Follow-up article from Unz re WW II revisionism. Starts off with long section on Suvorov.
Vladimir Rezun (pen name “Viktor Suvorov”) was a low-ranking GRU officer who betrayed his homeland, defected to the UK in 1978 and started working for British intelligence peddling anti-Soviet black propaganda about the history of the WW2.
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Yes, he was anti-Soviet. Did you read his books? I find his case fairly persuasive though admittedly it has been many years since I read through Icebreaker, I think it was.
For example, I think the case that Russia had amassed a considerable force on their Western border prior to an invasive attack using tanks that could take advantage of the autobahn-high quality highway system in Germany (which did not exist yet in Russia), also tanks that could be flown in and after landing have their wing assemblies taken off etc.
I also read (possibly false) interviews with ‘Gestapo Mueller’ one of whose bailywicks was Intel about USSR and he confirmed quite apart from Suvorov – who had not yet written a word – this overall story.
It seems to me that generally most peoples’ sense of history is colored not only by WW II Atrocity Propaganda, but that sort of propaganda generally which projects one side as angelic and the other as demonic. Once that projection has taken hold, it is very hard to change – essentially a type of belief. Facts which contradict the demonic projection are simply ignored or dismissed as false. Facts which in any way bolster the projection are immediately accepted as gospel truth. In that way, someone accumulates an opinion formed by facts which all point to the same conclusion.
Personally, my radar-sense goes up any time the angel-vs-demon projection is in play, whether it is current US noises about the ‘evil Chinese Empire’ or the US noises about ‘Putin as a latter-day Hitler’ or the US as incorrigible hegemon (though that story seems most reasonable given recent history even if it might misinterpret greed and power for malevolent imperial intent in a way which again overly demonizes the subject matter).
Those who are convinced, for example, that Hitler was only a demon cannot countenance narratives which include nuance or outright contradiction. It is the same with many Americans who were brought up demonizing the communists who were hell bent on overthrowing European-Western civilization and replacing it with committee-led working class rule after slaughtering the middle and upper classes as many believed happened in Russia after their communist take-over. Those who supported communism and to a lesser extent socialism regard such attitudes as demonic insisting that the communist political movement in Russia, and related communist movements elsewhere, had no such agenda and all such stories are demonic lies told by greedy capitalists determined to keep the working man in virtual slavery. Both sides have compelling narratives.
Again, we are left with the angel-demon paradigm which fosters intense us versus them hatred.
In any case, your remarks about Suvorov, even if true, are all ad hominem and none address any of the substantive points raised in his work. I for one came away from his book convinced that Russia was indeed planning an invasion and when this was confirmed by an entirely different source, that was pretty much it for me. That source also mentioned that there were a large number of agents in the USG at the time which later turned out to be true. That doesn’t make all the McCarthy witch hunt on point, but it wasn’t born entirely from fantastical imaginations either as is now popularly believed – yet another angel-demon projection.
So: does Suvorov’s thesis make Stalin a Devil and Hitler an Angel? Of course not, but those invested in Stalin as Angel (and/or Hitler as Demon) will find themselves demonizing any voice which suggests otherwise.
Most of the points made in the Unz article, of which Suvorov was just one section, were reasonable, uninflammatory and more true than false given that knowing the whole truth in such things involving so many so long ago is virtually impossible.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 14:34 utc | 162

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 20 2023 0:47 utc | 131
@karlof1, #127:
I’m curious you said nothing about my appraisal of Putin as a Sage King.
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Am currently working with a Yijing version that delves into the sage-king sage-monarch principle more than any other. Here is an excerpt from the commentary of Hexagram 55 Opulence-Majesty in which quite a lot about the sage-monarch is mentioned. It has something to do with a living human being manifesting and invoking timeless principles (from Heaven) into society. From Daniel Hessey’s Enlightened Society I Ching Vol III:

DISCUSSION OF THE TEXT
The heavenly sphere is timeless and beyond change, and is the source of the light and energy that vivifies and illuminates the cyclic world of karmic cause and effect. This hexagram describes the relationship between the unconditional timeless radiance of the sun in the sky and the relative world of birth, old age, and death on earth.
The sage monarch’s seat at the center of society is likened to the sun in the sky. Although a sovereign is a sentient being, the wisdom of the sage-king is timeless, like the sun. The sun illuminates the relative world without bias, and a sage monarch rules with fearless insight and equanimity. Being beyond the sphere of karmic transformation, the sun is serene, shining brilliantly without hesitation or anxiety. Because a sage monarch has transcended fear of birth and death, he or she is without anxiety in relation to the relative world. The relative world of cyclic change is full of uncertainty, and so sentient beings experience constant fear and anxiety.

There is much more but that gives a preliminary gist. (Btw, it is from this perspective that I personally favor monarchy in governance, but it is highly idealistic at this point and not in relation to contemporary examples such as the Windsors in the UK.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 15:12 utc | 163

Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 20 2023 10:13 utc | 161–
Thanks mucho for that report!! As you know, I’ve written that energy will be the key factor facing global development by 2030, and I’ve emphasized the very small amounts of proven reserves of oil and gas within the Empire at current rates of extraction which are impossible to continue given the rapid rate of depletion. The promised LNG shipments from the Empire to bolster Europe in the coming years cannot be delivered because the supply doesn’t exist. All this was foreseen by us at ASPO USA in the 2000s; we tried to warn policy makers, but deaf ears is all we got. And of course, this reality is buried by BigLie Media. The talk of refilling SPR is just that–talk. And the energy situation is one of the unmentioned reasons behind the Fed ruining the economy as further demand destruction is required. Yes, Russia and other nations could supply demand here, but the geopolitical crap being engaged in precludes that. Instead of trying to conquer Venezuela, the better policy would have been to work with that nation to help it increase the production of its Orinoco heavy crude belt which contains a fantastic amount of hydrocarbons. But there’s no sense that Win-Win is the only way forward in Washington.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 15:51 utc | 164

Posted by: bevin | Jun 19 2023 18:31 utc | 100
Unz’s article is just one more in a series designed to obscure the historical reality that the underlying cause of the Second World War was anti-communism.
Which, not coincidentally, has also been the dominant ideology of imperialism since the war ended. …..
Mike Whitney ought to be ashamed of lending himself to this disgraceful apologia for fascism.
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Another brilliant post.
But do you really think there is no place whatsoever for trying to pierce through the veil of propaganda and deceit that pervades most politics throughout history to, if not entirely understand what happened, at least debunk certain core pillars of the meta-narratives which inform our perception of political and inter-national realities today? I don’t think you can boil all of Unz and Whitney down to ‘anti-communism.’ I suspect that both are more into anti Jewish narrative shaping. Unz came onto the scene, I believe, with his long, excellent article on how Harvard Admissions have been corruptly managed to favor Jewish applicants over all other groups resulting in consistent discrimination against ‘white’ applicants for whom there are never any minority quotas such as with blacks and asians. It is a great piece. It is not anti-communist. And if you haven’t read it, you should.
The Jewish issue is contentious, tedious and ugly and most prefer to avoid it. However, they have worked overtime to provide dominant meta-narratives that favor their own collective interests (many of which have nothing to do with the lives and aspiration of normal Jewish people of course just like the Deep State and DC Beltway viz ordinary American citizens) most of which narratives are based on deceitful lies.
That said, I do have a question from your post: if as you say Hitler was supported by the West in order to bring down communism
a) does that imply that the multi-millionaire funders of the communists in Manhattan (Schiffs etc.), London, Berlin and elsewhere were at odds with the people who wanted Hitler to crush the communists? Because it is my understanding that many of those movers and shakers types were also the ones backing Hitler.
b) If they wanted Germany to destroy communism, why did they go out of their way to go to war with Germany making the latter obliged to conduct a two-front war which of course they wanted at all costs to avoid? According to some of my research – admittedly years ago – there were considerable links between Hopkins, Hiss, Wallace and others in the FDR administration and the communist leadership. Maybe that is getting too complex, so let’s keep it simple: why did the Allies deliberately force Germany into a two-front war if what they wanted was for him to destroy communism? Doesn’t make any sense.
Enquiring minds want to know.
BTW, I personally sympathize with those who claim that communism never really happened yet, rather fascism-oligarchy-tyranny disguised as communism, though many say that’s a cop-out because communism will always result in some sort of centralized take-over of power (which is also my opinion, but then I’m an old chinese-style monarchy fan!). But, importantly, it was principally a Jewish-led movement part of whose agenda was not to free the working man but to overthrow the established order so that they could assume leadership, of that there can be little doubt. So long historical articles or comments about it all without mentioning that quotient are misleading at best. This is why, for example, it is not surprising to find Ukrainian Nazi movement is funded by Jewish oligarchs and backed by Jewish neocon run US-CIA. Again, this probably has nothing to do with common Jewish folk, but it is a clear factor in the mix and denying it is both silly and suspect.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 15:55 utc | 165

Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 15:12 utc | 163–
Thanks for your interest. I direct you to this review of the book I’m currently studying,
“Theorizing Confucian Virtue Politics: The Political Philosophy of Mencius and Xunzi”. It’s a very complex higher graduate level discussion requiring close reading, which makes it difficult to cite. I found a softcover of the book for under $30, so don’t be shocked by the sticker price for the hard back cited at the top of the review.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 16:04 utc | 166

@ karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 5:25 utc | 155
thank your wife for that karlof1!

Posted by: james | Jun 20 2023 16:06 utc | 167

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 20 2023 7:11 utc | 160
Churchill was a Great Man, but he was also bought and paid for, hook, line and sinker. As was his syphilitic father before him who died owing Nathaniel Rothschild enormous sums.
And he was also a bought and paid for Zionist champion.
https://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html
“Zionism versus Bolshevism.
A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People
By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.”
That same Zionism vs Bolshevism struggle was mentioned in the Unz piece wherein it was explained how Germany encouraged Zionism even as they fiercely resisted communism-bolshevism. Some say those fault lines still remain except now it is Nationalist Zionists versus Internationalist Globalists.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 16:42 utc | 168

Scorpion I think the answers to these two questions is simple
“…a) does that imply that the multi-millionaire funders of the communists in Manhattan (Schiffs etc.), London, Berlin and elsewhere were at odds with the people who wanted Hitler to crush the communists? Because it is my understanding that many of those movers and shakers types were also the ones backing Hitler…”
There were no multi millionaire funders of the Bolsheviks. All parties attract the attention of speculating financiers. In the case of the Bolsheviks this included the short term (and very rewarding) support of the General Staff in Germany. But such funds had no impact on the revolution’s success
“…b) If they wanted Germany to destroy communism, why did they go out of their way to go to war with Germany making the latter obliged to conduct a two-front war which of course they wanted at all costs to avoid?..”
If you think about it the war which began in September 1939 ended with the complete surrender of France after a few months of ‘phoney’ war and the Blitzkrieg. This was meant to be followed-and almost was-by a Peace Treaty with the British Empire. The Germans were simply not as well informed (wishful thinking) as they thought that they were. Like so many commenters here who enormously overestimate the power of King Charles, foreigners are wont to over value the influence of the likes of the Duke of Windsor and the assorted right wing aristocrats (eg Mitfords) who told Berlin what it wanted to hear.
On the other hand the Germans are hardly to be blamed for misinterpreting the ;public knowledge that the British War Office was actually planning to bomb Baku and attack the USSR through the Caucasus, and all this while it was plotting to join with the Finns against Stalin.
Talk about mixed signals!
“..there were considerable links between Hopkins, Hiss, Wallace and others in the FDR administration and the communist leadership…”
There were all sorts of contacts between the Communists and progressives such as Wallace and Hopkins (Hiss is a very minor figure and I really don’t know). BUt that was quite routine. Remember that the CIO was a hotbed of Communist Party activity, and very openly so. The point is that the anti communist fervour that became mainstream after the war was both fiercely contested and tainted by very unfashionable associations in the pre-war period- the southern supremacists, for example and people like Ford who fought Unions and Jews with equal fervour.
Mych of FDR’s support came from socialists who were Demiocrats (JK Galbraith?)
Wallace’s position is very indicative: his politics were well established, he was chosen as V-P to attract left (and agrarian) support to the ticket. And in 1948 made a demonstration of the latent appeal of the politics of the Soviet sympathising left from the UE and Mine Mill sort of Unions to the people who put PM together in New York.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2023 17:48 utc | 169

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 16:04 utc | 166
Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 15:12 utc | 163–
Thanks for your interest. I direct you to this review of the book I’m currently studying,
“Theorizing Confucian Virtue Politics: The Political Philosophy of Mencius and Xunzi”. It’s a very complex higher graduate level discussion requiring close reading, which makes it difficult to cite. I found a softcover of the book for under $30, so don’t be shocked by the sticker price for the hard back cited at the top of the review.
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Good catch! I tend to delve into the old esoteric underpinnings. For example, one of the ‘hot button topics’ in the book involves the notion of li-ritual. As in Part One Ch II as a lead-in where we can read:

Their common argument is that Confucian rituals or li, commonly understood as a docility enhancing social mechanism, in effect exercised a critical “constitutional” function by constraining the arbitrary use of power by the ruler. [my emphasis] According to this new interpretation, the Confucian ruler is not above the li. On the contrary, the ruler is systematically controlled by the li … that confers moral and political authority on him and simultaneously enables him to exercise political power legitimately and with sufficient popular support.

This is all fine, but the wordy abstractions in the emboldened part reveal a major problem we have nowadays in assessing systems and thinking from days of yore. Essentially what is going on – to exaggerate and over-simplify – is akin to studying Roman Catholicism without ever experiencing a Sacred Mass, something whose experiential imprint effects every aspect of the tradition both in societal and doctrinal manifestation. Put another way: the tradition cannot truly be understood without experiencing the sacred perception engendered in (a well conducted) Mass.
The roots of the daoist tradition out of which flowered Confucius’s desire to fashion sane societies are esoteric and involve the experience of sacred perception, the origin of which was hinted at in my earlier snippet and is encapsulated by approachable notions of ‘The One and The Many.’ The relative world of form (The Many) – limitless, ever-changing, ever-creating, ever-dying – arises from out of the womb of the unchanging, the never born, never dying, always present, always formless One. When we experience the realm of form with a sense of the timeless present, sometimes called ‘ever-present awareness’ this experience, almost by definition, involves sacred perception. The timeless now is where the One and Many copulate in individual or group consciousness and it is engendering this perception, or state, which is the purpose of all profound ritual in traditional societies.
Unfortunately this sort of experiential aspect is often missed in such discussions and because it is missed the tendency is to ‘descend’ into relative discourse and policy development. Basically: how to handle deviations from the good, what to do with criminals, tyrants, foreign belligerents and so forth, all of course must be dealt with, but the role of uplifting ritual, or li, is often discounted as no longer relevant in that context, as being too airy-fairy, insipidly spiritual.
The fact is, that if/when a society has the ability to engender sacred perception, many ills automatically self-correct as most members aspire to virtuous learning, living, teaching and expression. And a monarch principle is necessary to bring that about in group ritual contexts, be it a local medicine man in a jungle tribe or an Emperor on the Imperial Chinese throne. One principle that probably won’t be discussed in the book – though hope am wrong – is the Court Principle. Forget about European examples, rather consider it as similar to a Church in which a Mass is performed. Yes, it can be done in an open field, beautifully so, but for magnetizing societal wisdom and power, institutional rituals, including architecture, tend to feature prominently.
For a King or Queen to hold the seat of Power in a way that engenders sacred perception, which is always fundamentally kind and virtuous, they need a Court for the benefit of those encountering such Sacred Presence, something into which first they prepare to enter, then they enter, then they experience the sacred majesty, then they absorb whatever message or transmission, then they leave and hopefully bring some of that experience back into their own lives and family. And of course apart from the Highest (Royal) Court in the land are many lesser ones, those of local authorities, feudal or otherwise, including churches, law courts and even, some might argue, sports arenas. But in a society in which all are interconnected – which we know now scientifically to be true – the highest court is where society taps into the profound, brilliant, just, powerful, all-victorious goodness that radiates forever from the Heaven principle out of which all are born and to which all return after the form manifestation ceases – which it always does.
Part of our problem today is that, having split Church and State (for both good and bad reasons) we lack a monarch or Court principle in which to engender shared perceptions of fundamental, bedrock goodness. Without that, it is impossible to create a sane, good, stable society. If studying Confucius will bring this more to the fore in our troubled modern world, so much the better. But again, without some sort of method of engendering sacred perception, much of it will remain rather hard to put into actual practice.
Anyway, that looks like an excellent book. Thank you for pointing it out. I hope to spend much more time with it at some point, though am way behind on my reading lists these days and the hottest heat wave since the 60’s in Central Mexico right now has made it impossible for me to read heavy matters of late. The words just shimmer off the page like desert mirages…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 17:52 utc | 170

re 169
“..right wing aristocrats (eg Mitfords) who told Berlin what it wanted to hear.”
Talking of which the Embassy in Berlin and the Diplomatic Service in eastern Europe generally was choc a bloc with Tories who had no doubt that Hitler was a much more preferable bet than the Bolshies who had repudiated the debts in which their parents had invested.
I recall visting a home, that of a son of a distinguished Diplomat, in which the walls of the lavatory downstairs were papered with bond and share certificates issued by Tsarist municipalities including Petrograd and Moscow!

Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2023 17:54 utc | 171

Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2023 17:48 utc | 169
Thanks for your reply.
Well, I don’t want to go down revisionist rabbit holes here. Suffice to say that there is a very different version of history out there than the one you give viz Fat Cat support of the bolshevik revolution. I seem to recall the huge sum (back then, now worth billions) of 20,000,000 dollars from the Schiffs and others in New York, which was added to as the party went via Halifax (briefly detained) to London, then Berlin, Stockholm and finally Moscow, through ostensibly hostile territories (during the Great War) and so forth. You say there was almost no support, I have read the opposite. I honestly have no way of knowing which is true, but I think the twenty million story is more plausible given what happened.
As to the two-front business: you say this was a result of Hitler’s wishful thinking – which was definitely in evidence – but your answer doesn’t at all address why the Allies pushed for a two-front war. (Those who espouse the ‘FDR was secretly in bed with the bolshies’ school of thought have a good argument but of course most would regard such thinking as ridiculous even though it fits the fact patterns better.) Still: if as you say the West recruited Hitler to destroy communism, I don’t see any good reason for going to war with him since they made it almost impossible for Germany to prevail by pinning down so many divisions in Western Europe. Sorry, I just can’t grok your point there!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 18:02 utc | 172

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 15:12 utc | 163:

Am currently working with a Yijing version that delves into the sage-king sage-monarch principle more than any other.

I salute your diligence and acumen in studying Yijing. I’ve read a few of your comments in those regards and was impressed that you have apparently gotten a grasp of the essence of this ancient but soulful classic of the Chinese civilization. I have a 75 year old copy in Chinese, and have never gotten anywhere close to understanding the teachings in it. I have never studied any English version though, although I believe doing so may help me understand the Chinese version text better, because the ones who translated the Book must have some degrees of understanding of the text before a coherent book can be completed.
The 55 Hexagram is Fong, meaning “plentiful”, an auspicious omen urging the fortune seeker not to miss opportunities presented to him/her per the Sage King. The Sage King here refers to the conceptual benevolent ruler of the era, not necessary a political ruler of the locale or any particular kingdom. I wish I would draw such a hexagram in case I seek advises from the book :-).
In Chinese literature, however, the Sage King is generally referred to Confucius. This started in early Han Dynasty among scholars of the time, as Han Wu Ti (Emperor Han Wu) encouraged the emphasis of Confucian doctrines in governance. Shi Ma Qian, the great Chinese historian of the time, devoted a chapter on the Confucian Family among 13 significant feudal lord/families of the Zhou Dynasty in his great book Shi Ji. All the other 12 lords were granted kingdoms based on military achievements or major political contributions in governances. Confucius was the only one made to stand out as a “King” purely on moral/ethnics teachings and humanity philosophies. It was then that scholars considered Confucius a Sage King. In subsequent eras, all the way through 21 centuries ’til the demise of the Qing Dynasty, Sage King had been accorded to Confucius in particular, but also appended to Kings/Emperors whose reigns resulted in great achievements for the kingdom, postmortem. So, in my view, Putin and Xi seemed to be doing the kind of stuff deserving the aura of a Sage King, but it would have to be conveyed posthumously :-).

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 20 2023 18:31 utc | 173

@172 scorpion
Why is it so hard for these people to give clear, rational explanations as to why, if ww2 was really all about anticommunism, the liberal west absolutely decimated its greatest and most powerful ally (according to their twisted logic)in their fight against the Bolsheviks.
There is no rhyme nor reason for a propagandist to say anything other than anyone not a communist is a fascist demon.
Everyone of any worth in the nationalist ranks of the liberal west lamented why they had go destroy Germany when the Bolsheviks were the real enemy here.
The truth is that nationalists in the liberal west had a great ally in Germany, and according to Unz, many historians, and “revisionists,” a peaceful one at that. The fact is that there were three belligerents in the war: the liberal west, the nationalist axis, and the Bolshies.
And far from what the Bolshies will tell you that they were always up against the world…it seems to me that that fate was to be solely reserved for the nationalist-axis, who took on the two-front war.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 20 2023 18:31 utc | 174

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 4:36 utc |147
Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2023 4:48 utc | 150
Thank you Tom, I am very happy that you like what my old brain squeezed out. I am trying to make my comments short, and than even shorter, and sometimes I just cancel them…
There is so much to say, and one can easily get carried away with the asides. It is an art to write short, as Blaise Pascal said -: ” I do not have time to write you a short letter, so I will write a long one” – or something like that.

Posted by: fanto | Jun 20 2023 18:39 utc | 175

Today, Putin is touring and talking about river navigation in Moscow and all Russia. I’ve followed the evolution of this topic over the past decade and it’s seminal. Here’s an excerpt from the transcript that encapsulates that:

Today, regular river transport services are being launched on the Moskva River: they will be integrated into the general network of urban routes, and electric vessels of domestic production with high environmental standards will be involved here. Now we got acquainted with one such instance: everything is simple, constructive, pleasantly made, view windows. I think that everyone who will use it will all enjoy such transport.
Such modern, breakthrough approaches to the development of the public transport system are undoubtedly due to the Moscow team.
The entire territory of our country is saturated with rivers, reservoirs, and channels. They play a huge role in passenger and cargo transportation, in hydroelectric power, in agriculture, and in ensuring the operation of the housing and communal complex.
Improvement of the water transport system largely affects the overall economic growth in the country, the development of industry, tourism, and other industries in the regions. This is also a significant contribution to building up our transit potential. In short, there are a lot of opportunities here – you need, of course, to use them competently and carefully.

In early US history, the rivers were the transport arteries and their control allowed the North to prevail over the South. They are still important but their impact has faded as deindustrialization took hold. Geography also made an impact as what exists in the East doesn’t in the West. This is an expandable jpg of Russia’s navigable waterways. As you can see, they are densest in the West but also exist in the East to move goods from the interior to Arctic ports and cites that have yet to be created but are envisioned. The Noth-South Transit Corridor will use the Volga to Barents Sea arterials, and IMO the Caspian will at some point be connected to the Persian Gulf or Arabian Sea via canal allowing shipping to transit the entire route without having to off and onload cargo as is the case now.
The upshot is the vast potential of Eurasia is finally coming into reality. It’s part of the Big Picture that cannot be ignored, a reality it’s much wiser to be part of than to try and contest.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 19:06 utc | 176

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 20 2023 18:31 utc | 173
Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 15:12 utc | 163:
I salute your diligence and acumen in studying Yijing. I’ve read a few of your comments in those regards and was impressed that you have apparently gotten a grasp of the essence of this ancient but soulful classic of the Chinese civilization.
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Thanks for kind words. If I have grasped some of it, it comes from having studied and practiced with a Tibetan master who encouraged me to delve into Chinese philosophy and suchlike, not only Buddhist doctrine. He was both a monastic Abbot, when young, and a provincial governor in an essentially feudal society which was similar in essence to Chinese feudal society and thus I got an atmospheric transmission of that sort of mentality which cannot come through books alone.
As to the sage-monarch, no doubt there are various conventions to the term, but at root it refers to someone who is both a sage – an enlightened person to use Buddhist parlance – and a ruler. In the West we have the notion of Philosopher King which is often regarded as the ideal system albeit transmission and quality issues abound (as they do with all systems).
I wish I knew Chinese history and culture better, but my impression from afar is that it has gone through many different eras. In the West, if we were to chat with somebody from the 18th century, only about ten generations or so ago, we might have a very hard time understanding them especially in terms of their spiritual perspectives, beliefs, motivations and so forth. Especially if they come from a different class or region. No doubt the same is true in China. That which was familiar in 1000 AD may not be familiar to someone in the 1500’s, let alone today. And the Yi was mainly written around Confucius’ time though some came from much earlier. And its origin is shrouded in mystery as is nearly all the pre-flood world.
Various schools exist in the world which maintain the esoteric underpinnings which do not actually change all that much. This is a little bit like the description of the sage-monarch in #55 who is acting as a living intermediary between the immortal and mortal modes of Being. If you get a sense of the timeless as revealed through direct transmission and ongoing practice in the here and now, which many traditions can still engender, then some of the fundamental principles evident in ancient formulations like the Yi can become relatively understandable.
Language that is firmly rooted in any given era as regards the Many (the ‘ten thousand things’ in the relative, manifest world represented mainly by #2 Earth hexagram for example) is hard to understand during a different era. That said, I suspect that one of the reasons the Yi has lasted and continues to both fascinate and teach is not only its entertaining divinatory function but also the fact that its language is grounded in Image (symbol) not Concept. Images communicate no end of different things at different times to different people in different contexts. Without words, therefore without logic or argument (which is why some purist criticize the Confucian-era addition to the Yi text as being too concept-laden; they have a point).
So the esoteric level genius of the Chinese wisdom approach is protected by the inherent sanity and magic of the Imaginal Realm which Concept cannot stain or alter.
In any case, if one has access to the esoteric underpinnings, a whole lot becomes accessible which otherwise it is not. How this relates to current affairs, though, is another issue!
Speaking of which, re Putin and Yi:
if we disregard the absence of an Imperial Court and a lineage of sacred ritual marrying the Will and Presence of Heaven to current practicalities (!), I personally don’t get a read on Xi. He is a blank for whatever reasons. But Putin I think of as a leading statesman in Western history, albeit with reservations since am not familiar enough with Russian culture and language to really have an opinion much beyond his public speeches. That and the undeniable fact that Russia has gone from being on its last legs when he took over to being a leading World Power again. I personally relish the way he expresses policy decisions and logistics in the context of overall Russian culture and bedrock morality. There is nobody like him in the West, nor has there been in generations.
So he gets my vote, I guess, as a contemporary Sage-King. Thought to be honest I think of him more as a truly exceptional First Minister type than a sage-king per se, and suspect he would agree with that assessment as well. He is more comfortable dealing with legal issues, procedures, administrative steps and so forth; as is correct for the modern role of President in a Republic.
Maybe it’s a translation issue, but all I ever hear from Xi sounds like boilerplate bureaucratese pushing materialist modernisation. China is incredibly impressive as a large polity – mindblowing IMO – but I cannot read her heart from afar with the media we have, and so do not even try. Generally, am leery of large countries with over a billion population because of the possibility of capture by tyrants or oligarchies (as we see in so many much smaller countries already) but I cannot say whether or not that is happening in China so perhaps project that ambivalence onto Xi. In any case, I wouldn’t give him my sage-monarch vote but he does seem to be a very effective monarch type (more than a Minister), albeit without any of the sacred perception / royalty trappings and it is hard to discern realization level wisdom either.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 19:19 utc | 177

“I wish I would draw such a hexagram in case I seek advises from the book :-).”
It’s funny, but I’m experimenting with a Yi practice I learned from a (Western) daoist lineage holder of the Sudden Enlightenment School. It’s a simple calendar-based practice. First you choose a quality embodied by a hexagram you would like to develop. I chose #62 which in another version I’m studying (Toltec I Ching, recently formulated using a different sequence from King Wen) is called ‘Concentrating Attention.’ Each month you change one line, starting with the bottom line until after six months the hexagram is in every line the opposite of your starting hexagram. Then the next six months reverses again so that at the end of 12 months you are back where you started.
This month, I’m contemplating #55 (which in this alternative version is called #33 Accepting Instruction, which involves opening to access to Heaven principle on your own without relying on conventional social trends or superstition etc.). As with the King Wen version #55 it comprises Fire/Sun and Lightning/Thunder – so it has a sense of blazing super-brightly, which some associate with Enlightenment.
Of course the Art is how to maintain something like that without effort. The only way to maintain blazing is to abandon any attachment to blazing, just as a masterful King performs as such without any notion of being a masterful King or sense of pressure. In a way, it isn’t blazing at all, just ordinary reality which itself is luminous and brilliant.
And so it goes…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 19:36 utc | 178

Hudson:
So what do you call it when somebody steals it fair and square when they legalize tax avoidance, when you legalize all of this fraud, where’s the room for an expose? You expose the legal system itself. And I know Bill and I have spoken about this in Kansas City and Rumani, Italy. The problem is the system itself is built on fraud. To me, the ultimate control fraud is when the economists do just what Bill described. And when the economists create an economic theory that distorts how the world really works but justifies financial fraud and criminal fraud, that’s the real control fraud. You control how people think about fraud. You control how they think about financial tax avoidance and not paying people and quite apart from simple misreporting.
Lovell
Bill, you have had a career, though, of the inside investigations. Maybe you could pick up on what Mr. Hudson said, though, and tie it back to really the full spectrum.
Black
Exactly. Indeed, what Michael just described is the ultimate form of control fraud. So if you want the world’s best predator, it would be a head of state that has complete control over the law because then they will make their illegal actions legal and they will make anyone who tries to prevent their illegal actions a criminal. That’s the ideal form.

That’s an excerpt from the transcript of a podcast that was posted to Dr. Hudson’s website today, “A Peculiar Gift”. Some of what’s presented I’ve heard/read before. Those able to recall the words of Bastiat I cited here will recognize that long ago, in the late 1840s, he knew all about what’s happening now and described how it was being done.
I hope some can begin to connect the dots that explain why this sort of corruption exists in the West and not so much in the Orient. As you read the transcript, recall that Reagan cursed Big Government and then went on to oversee the biggest expansion is the US government ever, and perhaps you will begin to understand why. Also, it must be noted that US government falsification of economic stats began during Reagan/Bush–hint, hint.
But too few seem interested in this thread, so I doubt much discussion will follow.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 20:52 utc | 179

Iain McGilchrist has suggested that the West has long exhibited a greater degree of instability – both creative and destructive – and believes it is because we have collectively emphasized left brain reductive modalities and suppressed right brain synthesizing tendencies.
I tried looking through my online copy of his latest, The Matter with Things, but I believe more of this stuff is covered in his previous ‘The Master and his Emissary: the Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World.’ I can’t make the time to hunt through that one (they are both VERY long books).
Here’s an excerpt from an article I found after simple search:

A Tale of Two Brains
This idea that our minds are operating on different tracks has been around for a while. For example, the notion of the conscious and the unconscious speaks to a mental division, as do more recent concepts like that outlined in Nobel laureate Daniel Kahneman’s Thinking Fast and Slow.
The brain is physically divided into different regions, such as top to bottom, and front to back, but McGilchrist is primarily concerned with the right/left division (though all are related).
The left hemisphere specializes in narrow focus. It tries to pin things down, looks for detail, and breaks things down into parts and categories. It likes rules and linear sequences, and goes for a sort of quick-and-dirty, just-the-facts approach, according to McGilchrist. The left side excels in the sort of homing-in attention that lets an animal grab a fruit, peck a seed, or chase a rabbit.
Significantly, the left side sees things according to their usefulness and figures out how to manipulate the world to its ends. It’s not too interested in relationships and can’t give us a sense of the whole, but it gives us the power to learn and make things. We need it to be human.
The left hemisphere can also lead us to places that begin to look inhuman. It acts as a kind of processing center, tending to get fixated on data, models, and maps, losing touch with the world around us if its findings don’t go back to the right hemisphere for context. In McGilchrist’s view, it has a kind of optimistic overconfidence about what it sees and constantly works to shut out anything that doesn’t agree with its narrow take on reality. It’s reductive, mechanistic, and self-referential, and it has an enormous capacity for denial. It’s also more tuned into anger and aggression than the right side. The left side doesn’t have a sense of humor.
The right hemisphere, in contrast, deals with a broader kind of attention. Where the left side’s goal is to manipulate things, the right tries to understand them in context, to see the big picture and how the parts fit into the whole. It pays attention to our relation to others, to whether they are friend or foe. The right side is more open, receptive, and aware of signals from surroundings. Its attention is more flexible and it attends to processes rather than fixed things. Its emotional modes are empathy and bonding. While the animal is chasing prey with laser-like focus, it still needs to maintain a larger awareness of what’s happening around it. It has to pay heed to the world in two ways at once.
McGilchrist thinks that because the right side is more interested in what exists “out there,” only it can bring us new information. The left hemisphere deals with what it already knows and therefore prioritizes the expected. This works well in routine situations, but less so when we need to revise our initial assumptions. The right hemisphere is better at shifting the frame.
“Because the left hemisphere is drawn by its expectations,” writes McGilchrist, “the right hemisphere outperforms the left whenever prediction is difficult.”
But don’t tell that to the left side – it thinks its predictions are always right.

This thesis and approach may not be able to explain everything but it is not only novel but deeply insightful when read in its full context – namely his VERY long, though quite readable, books. (They are readable because he used to teach literature at Oxford, I believe, before getting involved in clinical psychiatry and, later, philosophy.)
The left brain is to reality as a map is to terrain. You can use a map to get from one place to another. It works. It is ‘real.’ But a map is not the terrain. The right brain has more to do with experiencing terrain, with wholes not parts, with atmospheres versus ideas and so forth. By emphasizing the left brain and suppressing the right peoples mode of thinking and feeling, as well as terms of reference, tend to narrow to the point that they never really ever see the terrain, only the map.
This sort of view might explain the seeming ‘madness’ of our elites. They are not mad, not clinically speaking, but their self-referential bubble, amplified by the contemporary predilection for the materialist-only perspective, creates an unreal and indeed unhinged version of reality increasingly removed from full (right-brain, intuitive, imaginative and heartfelt) reality.
And it seems to be the case that, generally speaking, the Orient has maintained a far more balanced approach than the Occident. Take a look at one of their classic texts, still used and studied to this day, the Yi Jing: it combines visual symbols based on a binary visual base (broken and unbroken lines in groups of six stacked vertically) that has mathematical functions (like the abacus which it possibly helped invent). Yes, it is used for divination and was originally used in sacrifice rituals and such like, but it is not a super-mystical ‘out there’ text any more than it is purely legalese and conceptually dense. It’s a mix, a blend, and indeed unfathomable as such.
Left brain stuff is never unfathomable. It all adds up perfectly. It just happens to be based on mapping functions of the human mind that turn everything into an abstract version and thus is never actually in touch with actual reality.
Balancing this will probably take centuries, IMO, but at least Iain is pointing out the elephant in the room. Finally.
The article: https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/could-modern-crises-stem-from-problems-in-the-human-brain

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 20 2023 21:27 utc | 180

Schools are allowing children to identify as cats, horses and dinosaurs – and teachers are ‘failing to question them’, it was claimed today. There was widespread outrage earlier this week when a 13-year-old girl was branded ‘despicable’ by her teacher for rejecting her classmate’s claim that she identified as a cat.
Now further stories are emerging of pupils who identify as animals with very human characteristics – often known as ‘furries’. At a state secondary school in Wales, one student is said to ‘meow’ when asked questions by a teacher, rather than answering in English, the Telegraph reports. In other schools, one apparently insists on being addressed as a dinosaur, one claims to identify as a horse while another is said to wear a cape and demands to be acknowledged as a moon.
Etc….only in UK or is this a pandemic?

Posted by: Jo | Jun 20 2023 21:37 utc | 181

“…nationalists in the liberal west had a great ally in Germany, and according to Unz, many historians, and “revisionists,” a peaceful one at that. The fact is that there were three belligerents in the war: the liberal west, the nationalist axis, and the Bolshies…”
NemesisCalling@174
Let’s leave the ‘peaceful’ nature of National Socialism for the moment: Unz and Irving might consider them to have been peaceful but, to do them credit, the Nazis never pretended anything of the kind- in six years they invaded Czechoslovakia, Austria, Spain and the Rhineland. And their future attacks were well telegraphed. The only surprises lay in the timing.
As to the ‘nationalists’ liberal and otherwise they did indeed have a great ally in Germany. And Germany had one in them too. It was they who emerged from the Spring of 1940 as Germany’s new allies. in France, the low countries, Denmark, around Quisling, in Sweden and Finland, in the Baltic countries. In Rumania and Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and elsewhere. in Hungary, for example, the ‘nationalists rallied to the cause. And the cause was, among much else including such details as driving out the Jews and Gypsies, outlawing the Trade Unions and filling the Concentration Camps with those parts of the population without enthusiasm for ‘nationalism’- essentially re-enserfing the working classes.
In the United Kingdom, thanks largely to the Trade Unions and the Socialists, the patriots in Parliament were able to stave off the ‘nationalists’ that Rudolf Hess flew over to meet.
But Hitler didn’t take that very seriously. He continued to believe that the ruling class would settle for maintaining the Empire and emulating his harsh methods in industrial relations. And that showing what a good chap he was by attacking the USSR would win the admiration of the doubters among the imperial ruling class- the Churchills and Amerys.
It might be easier for you and Unz to understand if you recognised that, in point of fact, Hitler did not face a two front war in Europe until the invasion of Sicily and, nine months before the end, of Normandy- the ‘nationalists’ held that horror up until it almost didn’t matter any more.
What you and Unz and all the other ‘revisionists’ ought to do is to re-examine, rather than to deny, the concoction of anti-communism as an ideology. This would include a study of the history of both the USSR and the CPSU- not as fairy tale ogres, but as the single force in history which stood between the reduction of the people of Europe to slavery (too late for the millions who died in Nazi slave factories and camps) and a coalition of fascists and other nationalists, industrialists and financiers whose power and interests depended upon the deterring of democracy.
Essentially the problem here is that this culture has been marinated in anti-communist totalitarianism for so long that rather than confessing that they have been duped, misled, brainwashed and, to be frank, intimidated in socialisation, people will go to the most desperate lengths to deny the stark historical reality of the straight line that links Imperialism with what the Red Army found when they over ran Auschwitz. And the British soldiers I knew in my young days recognised when they arrived at the gates of Belsen and Dachau.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2023 23:08 utc | 182

Posted by: Roger | Jun 18 2023 15:02 utc | 8
The article is up on the http://www.sitrepworld.info site.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 21 2023 0:07 utc | 183

Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2023 23:08 utc | 182
Essentially the problem here is that this culture has been marinated in anti-communist totalitarianism for so long that rather than confessing that they have been duped, misled, brainwashed and, to be frank, intimidated in socialisation, people will go to the most desperate lengths to deny the stark historical reality of the straight line that links Imperialism with what the Red Army found when they over ran Auschwitz. And the British soldiers I knew in my young days recognised when they arrived at the gates of Belsen and Dachau.
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So which is it: they have been brainwashed or they are going to ‘desperate lengths to deny stark historical reality?’ It can’t really be both. You have to pick.
There is a third option (where I stand): given the high degree of falsehood at all times but especially during war, it is very hard to know for sure which stores are true or false; but you do your best, making you neither brainwashed nor in denial.
It seems you believe that the mainstream narratives about the camps and Nazi Germany is accurate but the mainstream narratives about communists is not, also that the West did not trap Germany in a two-front war. Possibly true. Also possible that all are true or all are false. How do you know?
I remain unconvinced though that you have managed to articulate – articulate as you decidedly are – how it is that on the one hand the Allies were funding and arming Germany to destroy communism in Russia (your original point) but on the other hand they got him into a two-front war, except they didn’t, not really. I find your arguments that they didn’t really go against him until a little later unconvincing. Germany also didn’t attack Russia ‘until later’ after which the Allies sent Russia aid and also started attacking Germany in the West, South and Atlantic. Of course we can’t discuss the camps and whether or not the corpses your acquaintances saw were typhoid victims at war’s end, some of which kept piling up for many months after we took over management, so I shall say no more.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 21 2023 0:26 utc | 184

@ karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 20:52 utc | 179 who is preaching to this choir…thanks…I will check out the link
I was working for Washington State government when Reagan, Greenspan and the congresscritters of the day took the Social Security Insurance program from a well managed and endowed social safety net program that was not part of politically motivated government financing, stole the public endowment for Star Wars and other wasteful shit and turned the Social Security Insurance program into a political football that is no longer financially endowed nor managed by actuaries but by politicians.
That said, the social conscious of the day had government funding public service jobs programs for the unemployed at a smaller scale that the WPA and CCC, but still something. And again like Karlof1 wrote, that is when they started misrepresenting employment statistics so they could hide the unemployment cancer festering in the open in America today and not have to do anything about it.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 0:48 utc | 185

I am now reading the link that karlof1 provide in #179 but mispelled…grin
It is A Peculiar Grift……not Gift
Doesn’t matter and below is a quote from it by Bill Black

Finance not only governs finance, finance governs most other industries. If I’m another industry, I got to get loans. I got to be able to take my company public and sell shares. Well, all of that is done through finance and banking. Most of the smartest folks in business allegedly go into the most rarefied parts of finance. So, it’s an aristocracy within a business as well. And even though it’s supposed to be a middleman and it’s supposed to be really lean and mean, finance is incredibly huge and loaded.
At peak, it gets over 40 % of all the profits of all industries. Think of that, one industry gets more than 40 % of the total corporate profits. So if you want to get rich in Congress or as a President and such, there’s nobody like them. They’re by far the biggest bear in the woods, type of thing. And they’re really good at moving the money and they can help you and your allies in lots of different ways where there are very few fingerprints and such. And finance itself lives off of two things, basically, almost complete deregulation and de-supervision. They’re rules, but the rules aren’t enforced and the prospect of being bailed out if bad things happen. And we are living in the golden era for the largest banks. And you can see that they feel it. The folks who wanted to acquire Silicon Valley Bank and other such banks were largely the number 15, the number 16 largest banks. Because if you’re the number 16 and you buy number 12, together you’re maybe your number 9, and you’re on the A list, finally, that gives you, again, almost complete impunity to do whatever you want.

I am not done and it is a good read

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 1:06 utc | 186

Two quick remarks on Surovov and Mencius.
A few years ago, an ex-GDR major-general Bernd Schwipper, who was educated in Moscow and became unemployed after german reunification, travelled to Russia and started digging in their archives, which he was allowed. He had set out to settle for himself the question if 1941 was really a preventive war, as many of his family who fought on the eastern front kept saying to him.
Let me remark that the federal german Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt of the Bundeswehr, then located in Freiburg, worked through their own archives – that of Barbarossa – which took them until the mid-seventies, after which only one question was left unanswered: who had actually started the war? They chose Hitler, as you all know. Rather recently, Putin in Russia, apparently after offering a deal with Merkel that she refused, made it illegal to claim otherwise in the RF.
But back to the NVA major-general. I met him personally when he was in town to speak about the book he wrote in conclusion of his work, which I also bought (Deutschland im Visier Stalins. Druffel Verlag 2016), but could only read cursorily, because I am not technically educated in military matters myself. What I can, or must say, is that it all appears credible. His main arguments concern years long preparation of an offensive posture on the western borders, like building airfields, which the Wehrmacht then pre-emptively attacked in 1941, forcing the red army to a transition into defense. This is apparent in the documents Schwippers provides. It also fits with all the german soldier’s tales which Schwippers has been reading life-long. I’ve only read the memoirs of Hans-Ulrich Rudel, but indeed, he describes endless columns of soviet troops ready to roll west in 1941. Needless to say, the book was not well received in german mainstream circles.
On to Mencius. He is a great discovery, and there are lots of historical links in the dark, connecting chinese culture with european renaissance. But the most important thing is that Mencius has a profoundly superior ethic, about which I know fairly little, but which can probably somewhat be summarized through his remark that “everybody values something more than his own life”. I promise to elaborate on that another time, and connect it with a few thoughts on the sensus communis which will be of interest here.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 21 2023 1:20 utc | 187

@ psychohistorian | Jun 18 2023 14:20 utc | 2
Well, one of the lessons the Wuhan virus taught us is what you send around may not be what comes back around, and indeed may return as wave after wave of variants, rendering your original prophylactic vaccine, at least for the elite, useless.
Of course, lessons may be ignored.
As I like to say, “Those who do know history will still be pulled down by the majority who don’t.”

Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 21 2023 1:29 utc | 188

psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 1:06 utc | 186–
Thanks for your reply and correction–I pondered why the title, kept looking at it, but somehow never read it correctly. Your comment about the Great Social Security Robbery is well understood within the context of what Black and Hudson are discussing. Do take note of the brief allusion to the first great Neoliberal fraud in the post-WW1 Era and how Mr. Pecora conducted his investigation. My initial comment was aimed at the many who won’t bother to read and learn, who think Trump is the answer and Reagan was brilliant. It was interesting what Putin said about Trump during the SPIEF Q&A session–his recent exhortations were lies yet again.
The issue I have with the podcast is the level of language used was too argot filled and technical for most Americans to comprehend. And woe to those whose native language isn’t English. Better to tell a story about how financial gangsters took over the nation using simplified 8th grade level prose.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 1:37 utc | 189

@ karlof1 # 189 with follow on the Hudson/Black interview…thanks
Below are ending quotes from Hudson/Black in the interview

Hudson
Well, Bill makes a very important distinction between the strategy of financial criminalization and other criminals. If you’re just a regular street criminal, you’re a robber or burglar, your idea is not to get caught. The financial criminals say, We have to plan it so we expect to get caught. And when we’re caught, nothing’s going to happen. That’s what they do.
Black
No, we get bailed out. We get bailed out. Something does happen.
Hudson
Yeah, exactly. But you don’t have to pay for it. So you have to figure out how you’re going to get away with it as part of the crime. Don’t try to think you won’t get away. You deal with the consequences. That’s control.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 1:40 utc | 190

@psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 1:06 utc | 186 (via karlof1 | Jun 20 2023 20:52 utc | 179)

Finance not only governs finance, finance governs most other industries.

This does not sound right to me. Finance should not and cannot govern other industries. It should serve other industries instead, like utilities as psychohistorian always preaches. This may be why merchants/businessmen are the lowest in Chinese traditional social classes (Shì Nóng Gōng Shāng/士農工商). Businessman’s mindset is not suitable for societal common good. And Shi (士) is not just educated people but also need to hold other characteristics from Confucius point of view.
On a side note, China just arrested one former deputy governor of People’s Bank of China Fan Yifei on the charge of taking bribery. People’s Bank of China is Chinese central bank. Earlier this year, there were also arrests for high-ranking officials (former president or vice president) at state-owned banks. Corruption does exist in China. But China does not hide it and tries to minimize it. One can see someone gets arrested on charges of corruption at different levels in Chinese government and state-owned enterprises on a weekly basis. It is an ongoing effort.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Jun 21 2023 1:40 utc | 191

persiflo | Jun 21 2023 1:20 utc | 187–
Thanks very much for your contribution. I did a quick search by copy/pasting the book title into the Yandex search box and found this short review in German, along with a list of many others. I’m a student of history and know quite a lot about that part of the war and it all makes sense.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 2:00 utc | 192

@ LuRenJia | Jun 21 2023 1:40 utc | 191 with the China perspective on finance…thanks
The quotes I provided are discussing Western reality, not psychohistorian/China public finance ideals.
Thanks for the reporting about China’s ongoing work on corruption which is to be expected when the core incentives are correct (public minded). America was created with public minded ideals that have been financialized by the Western private money mafia. Hopefully the example that China is setting will be recognized by more of the Western public as time goes on and demand will increase to follow the public finance path.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 2:13 utc | 193

LuRenJia | Jun 21 2023 1:40 utc | 191–
Thanks for your reply and indignation, which is well placed. I see your comment appeared when psychohistorian’s did; I suggest you read what he cited.
And again, as Hudson is trying to show us, what he and Black discussed has been ongoing for several thousand years. The Romans crafted laws to legalize their criminality. The Frenchman Bastiat citied in the podcast and by me in my comment was a lawyer, political-economist and student of history and wrote about how such arrangements were made in the 1840s while Marx was writing in England.
It appears Xunzi’s estimation of human nature was more accurate than Mencius as people steeped in East Asian culture can still become corrupt; but on the whole, IMO Asian societies are far more virtuous than any in the West. I also consider Japan a curious case but really don’t consider myself knowledgeable enough to comment further on why it became a corrupt, menacing society to its neighbors.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 2:14 utc | 194

Good summary of Pakistan today: https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/rawalpindi-gains-the-upper-hand-in-troubled-pakistan/article66990826.ece

Posted by: Antonym | Jun 21 2023 2:30 utc | 195

@ 187 persifilo
Thx for the comment.
Yes, in the Suvorov thesis, what Hitler announced shortly after commencing Barbarossa over radio, and, recently Sean McMeekin’s ‘Stalin’s War,” there is mention of forward air bases loaded with planes ready to go. Now why would a purely defensive Soviet Army be building forward air bases?
As to your point about people needing something more than themselves. This is unquestionably true. Currently in the liberal west, it is socially acceptable to never mention any kind of metaphysical or religious ponderings. If you do, you are usually labeled a square amd scapegoated. Fast forward ten years, and the same people who snickered and gossiped about you are neck-deep in trying to square their worldview when they were sewimg their wild oats with that of their current situation with a babyin tow and a wife who gives them a stern look when he wants to go out party hard with the boys.
Kierkegaard’s Either/Or comes to mind when talking about the spheres of existence: the aesthetic that lives for the self in the here and now, the ethical that lives for the other, and the religious that lives for the Wholly Other.
But in this absolute cesspit known as the liberal west, the ethical sphere has been so delayed/relegated to obscurity, that most would not know a good example if it came up and got you in a headlock.
I truly shudder for my country.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 21 2023 2:32 utc | 196

@ NemesisCalling | Jun 21 2023 2:32 utc | 196
There is more sacred feeling in the land than you feel in your despair, and I don’t mean to presume but my only intention here is to reaffirm this to you.
I shudder for my country too, but something keeps me here instead of fleeing, and that is the thought that there must inevitably be a rising, after the fall. Perhaps I can help soften the falling, and perhaps even contribute to the eventual rising.
And the fall and rise are both here together now, in each moment we witness. And in our little worlds for each of us, it’s just a question of which we see the most, or give preference to.
Holding fast to the truth of things, even as falseness wants to close in over our heads, is exactly what the universe makes provision for. There is always a supply of goodness to match the badness.
You, and I, and those who so choose, must always manifest that goodness – or the balance is lost.
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Interesting that your Kierkegaard troika of spheres of existence actually matches the three paths of Buddhism: there is realization for oneself; there is the clarified nature of oneself absorbed in compassion for others; and there is the dissolution of oneself as lost in presence, inseparable from the ultimate presence of reality.
You would put different words on this same thing, I imagine.
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A nihilist, an atheist, would put words on this same thing that are different yet again, I think. Those are the ones I most hope can come up with as wholesome and complete a body of ethics to take them through their life as the religious faithful are given, and as the non-religious Buddhists are given.
Perhaps Kierkegaard was an atheist? I don’t know. What matters is the body of ethics to take one through life, to do no harm at the very least. This is a meaningful life.
And in the squalor and degeneration of the current US, I suspect half of society cleaves to the goodness of things – and even if it manifests as despair, still it holds fast to the love of truth.
This is where the stand is made, always.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 21 2023 4:59 utc | 197

The U.S.A. ended the second world war and began the third. I guess we’re even.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 21 2023 5:42 utc | 198

A nihilist, an atheist, would put words on this same thing that are different yet again, I think. Those are the ones I most hope can come up with as wholesome and complete a body of ethics to take them through their life as the religious faithful are given, and as the non-religious Buddhists are given.
Posted by: Grieved | Jun 21 2023 4:59 utc | 197
Surely you are not making an equivalence of nihilism and atheism. Is it not possible, even likely, that
a Buddhist is an atheist? Can one be a Christian Buddhist, or a Muslim Buddhist or any kind of theist/deist Buddhist?

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 21 2023 6:15 utc | 199

His main arguments concern years long preparation of an offensive posture on the western borders, like building airfields, which the Wehrmacht then pre-emptively attacked in 1941, forcing the red army to a transition into defense.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 21 2023 1:20 utc | 187
Did not the situation in Western Russia/Donbas Ukraine over the past 8-9 years have many similarities? Did NATO provoke the Russians or did the Russian build up lead to NATO expansion to the Russian borders? A compare and contrast piece of the two eras would be interesting but I have not the time, the inclination, or most importantly the knowledge to do that.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 21 2023 6:34 utc | 200