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June 6, 2023
Nova Kakhova Dam Breach – Updated (12:15 UTC)

Updated throughout (12:15 UTC)

A few hours ago an alleged explosion blew up the Nova Kakhova dam in Ukraine.


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It was either that or structural damage from previous strikes.

Geoff Brumfiel @gbrumfiel – 6:31 UTC · Jun 6, 2023

The dam was already under enormous strain and damaged.
Then things got worse. On 2 June, it looks like a road over the dam failed. That could be indicative of a larger structural failure.

In consequence the huge reservoir behind the dam is now flooding lower level land south of Kherson (Xepcoh). The pictures show the before and after of potential flooding due to the breach:



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Previously the Russian army had pulled back its troops from the northern part of Kherson oblast because a dam breach would endanger their supply route.

We do not know yet how much of the dam has been damaged. How much water will be flowing out of it depends on the part of the wall that is still standing below the current water level.

Of note is that the Ukraine had previously filled the upstream dams on the Dnieper to the brim to increase the potential damage. Those waters were released in early May. Notice the date of the following tweet.

ZOKA @200_zoka – 14:12 UTC · May 4, 2023

Water level in Kakhovka reservoir in Zaporozhye region risen by 17 m and almost reached critical level. Under threat of destruction of dam in Kamenka Dneprovskaya, dozens of villages may be flooded.
Kyiv opened the floodgates in Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye.
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The Ukrainian propagandists are claiming that the Russian blew up the dam. That is however unlikely.

On October 21 2022 Vasily Nebenzya, the Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN, sent a letter to the UN Secretary General about the plans of the Kiev regime to destroy the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.

In a report about last years Kherson counteroffensive the Washington Post reported of Ukrainian plans and attempts to blow up the dam:

[Maj. Gen. Andriy] Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages.

The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off.

Destroying its own infrastructure is nothing new for Ukrainian servicemen. In April 2022 the New York Times already noted this:

What happened in Demydiv was not an outlier. Since the war’s early days, Ukraine has been swift and effective in wreaking havoc on its own territory, often by destroying infrastructure, as a way to foil a Russian army with superior numbers and weaponry.

Demydiv was flooded when troops opened a nearby dam and sent water surging into the countryside. Elsewhere in Ukraine, the military has, without hesitation, blown up bridges, bombed roads and disabled rail lines and airports. The goal has been to slow Russian advances, channel enemy troops into traps and force tank columns onto less favorable terrain.

Quoting the above Washington Post piece Andrew Korybko points to a possible motive for today's demolishing of the dam:

[Kovalchuk's] remark about how “the step remained a last resort” is pertinent to recall at present considering that the first phase of Kiev’s NATO-backed counteroffensive completely failed on Monday according to the Russian Ministry of Defense. Just like Ukraine launched its proxy invasion of Russia in late May to distract from its loss in the Battle of Artyomovsk, so too might does it seem to have gone through with Kovalchuk’s planned war crime to distract from this most recent embarrassment as well.

The most recent embarrassment was the failure of yesterday's attack near Novodarovka and Levadnoye. As the Russian Ministry of Defense noted in a special statement:

As a result of active and self-sacrificing actions of the Vostok Group of Forces, which displayed courage and heroism, the enemy has been stopped, and the set tasks haven’t been achieved. The AFU formations and military units suffered significant losses.

Total AFU losses in South Donetsk direction were over 1,500 Ukrainian servicemen, 28 tanks, including FRG-manufactured 8 Leopard tanks, three French-manufactured AMX-10 wheeled tanks, and 109 armoured fighting vehicles.

(I have seen pictures of the destroyed AMX-10 reconnaissance tanks but not yet of any destroyed Leopard.)

Interestingly the 'western' media, pressed into compliance by the Ukrainian government, were thanked for their pro-Ukrainian reporting on the issue around the time the dam was breached:

Michael Tracey @mtracey – 9:42 UTC · Jun 6, 2023

Top advisor of Zelensky thanks journalists in advance today for helping the Ukraine government win the "diplomatic and informational battle" around the bombing of the Nova Kakhovka dam. Helpful reminder of the state imperatives these journalists are expected to abide by Image

The attached image of the top advisor's Telegram post has a 3:03 timestamp.

The destruction of the dam is certainly not to Russia's favor. As the 'western' aligned Moscow Times noted six months ago (link corrected):

In a catastrophic scenario, destroying the dam could send a highly destructive flood wave down the Dnipro River, causing severe flooding in large areas of southern Ukraine. Backswell would also likely flood the Inhulets River, a tributary of the Dnipro.

However, terrain levels mean the flooding would likely be worse on the Russian-held left bank of the Dnipro, making a detonation of explosives on the dam an unlikely move for Moscow.

"[Destroying the dam] would mean Russia essentially blowing its own foot off,” military analyst Michael Kofman said on the War on the Rocks podcast last month.

“[It] would flood the Russian-controlled part of Kherson [region]… much more than the western part that Ukrainians are likely to liberate."

And the secondary effects of blowing the dam could be just as severe for Russia.

Lowering the river level behind the dam threatens both water supplies to Moscow-annexed Crimea and risks cutting off access to cooling water for the Russian-controlled nuclear power plant in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region.

Water from the dam was also used to irrigate the southern Kherson oblast. The lack of water will disable the power generation at the dam which supplied the south.

The flood is likely to dissipate in a week or two but that does not change the major damages to the parts that Russia claims as its own.

The water will then have destroyed Russian mine fields on the left bank (seen from the spring) of the river. This will open routes for Ukrainian troops to cross the river and to attack into the southern Kherson oblast towards Crimea. There have previously reports that the Ukraine received bridging and ferry equipment for exactly this purpose.

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Imo, had Russia taken steps to mitigate the damage by earlier lowering the water levels behind the dam, that would have set things up for a media narrative that they were doing so in order to damage the territory they had lost, and that they were ecological monsters.
Once that talking point had been established, then Ukraine would have blown the dam, and the media narrative would have been that the Russians were impatient, and wanted to have it look like it was Ukraine that were the baddies.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 6 2023 16:22 utc | 201

@#18 shadowbanned

They won’t be able to do that for weeks, if not months. Water levels will drop, but what will be left behind is impassable mud that will take forever to dry up. If they try sending equipment there, it will get stuck and it will be a turkey shoot. Let them try.

You’ve lost a shoe in lake mud, haven’t you? I have, too.
xD

Posted by: mcagnew | Jun 6 2023 16:22 utc | 202

I imagine the mood on the Russian street today is quite foul.
Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Jun 6 2023 11:49 utc | 72
Typical western way of thinking from someone looking too many movies made in hollywood. Why should Russia remove from power someone who is a clown and a coward?

Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 6 2023 16:24 utc | 203

Also, is the Ukrainian offensive still ongoing, or was the destruction of the Nova Kakhova damn a massive preplanned distraction to shift focus from the failure of the much vaunted Ukrainian offensive and at least keep “winning” on the propaganda front by convincing the rest of the world, beginning with the so called Global South, that the Russians are the second coming of Genghis Khan, the most incompetent but also brutally monstrous regime currently in existence anywhere on the planet?

Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 6 2023 16:25 utc | 204

Strikes me as random vandalism.
Though it’s disruptive, I dont see how anyone capitalizes on this – in the grand scheme.
Certainly works if someone were needing to have cause to delay.

Posted by: jared | Jun 6 2023 16:25 utc | 205

. . .from Ukrinform
Ukraine’s military command anticipated in advance the possible actions of the Russian army regarding the destruction of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant and made appropriate calculations. Therefore, this will not prevent Ukraine’s defense forces from advancing. That’s according to Ukraine’s Joint Forces Commander, Lieutenant General Serhiy Naiev, who attended an event to mark Journalist Day.
. . .who’s in charge of the Ukraine Armed Forces?
Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Valerii Zaluzhnyi (absent for a month), or. . .Commander of the United Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Serhii Nayev

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 6 2023 16:27 utc | 206

Why doesn’t Rus make water purification plants for Crimea? Well known and readily available technology. Many places around the world use them (especially islands). They could probably purchase some from Saudi’s, or engineer some for their own design.
Thoughts?
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jun 6 2023 14:39 utc | 156

SIMFEROPOL, Aug 31 2021– RIA Novosti Crimea. Rostec State Corporation can offer the construction of nine desalinators in Crimea to the Russian government at once. The preparation of the proposal is reported by the Kommersant newspaper with reference to its sources familiar with the situation.
According to the publication, the state corporation is considering several options, but the most “optimal” of them is to build nine desalination plants by 2030, four of them on thermal technology (evaporation), five more on reverse osmosis technology (filtration through special membranes). Together, these desalinators will be able to provide the peninsula with about a billion cubic meters of fresh water.
https://crimea.ria.ru/20210831/kakie-opresniteli-budut-stroit-v-krymu-dorogo-bogato-ili-po-minimumu-1120716463.html

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 6 2023 16:29 utc | 207

Also, is the Ukrainian offensive still ongoing?

Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 6 2023 16:25 utc | 208
It’s Schrödingers Offensive…

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 6 2023 16:31 utc | 208

“A partisan war would be suicidal”
Quo Vadis | Jun 6 2023 16:13 utc | 200
So you dont think the mobilization of ethnic Russians into the Ukrainian AF; and then being sent into The Bakhmut meat grinder wasn’t sudicial?

Posted by: Jerr | Jun 6 2023 16:33 utc | 209

Here the mood of Vladimir Saldo:
https://t.me/vladimirtupin/29821
A very good mood. And an explanation: the dam is quite useful: the western corrupt medias will forget about the ukronazi completely failed counter-offensive. With a huge number of tanks and armoured vehicles destroyed. And soldiers.

Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 6 2023 16:37 utc | 210

Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 6 2023 16:25 utc | 208
99.9 % sure that it was a deliberate distraction. No one in MSM is talking anything about counter-offensive, only this.
Or rather some of them are still talking about the counter-offensive, which is “yet to start”. It can easily fizzle out over coming weeks. I don’t know how this will resolve, are they still going to attempt building a fourth or fifth army?

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 6 2023 16:38 utc | 211

Posted by: Jerr | Jun 6 2023 16:33 utc | 213
Rhetoric question and straw-man fallacy. You have no argument.

Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 6 2023 16:39 utc | 212

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2023 10:03 utc | 34

Second, a flooded river is not conducive to a crossing until the waters recede.
Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2023 9:56 utc | 27
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So, now Zelly has a justification to say why the ‘counteroffensive’ cannot get started… 🙂

I am not sure what kind of bridging equipment was sent to Ukraine, but I can say from experience that deploying even the most modern equipment such as the General Dynamics M3 GDEL requires stable ground to support the 28 tonne equipment that rolls on four tires until it is in deep enough water to be buoyant. Blowing up a dam leaves lots of unstable soil conditions along the downstream banks which do not lend itself to launching bridge equipment.
Since the banks are now likely washed out and are subject to Black Sea tidal levels, the prospects for launching a river crossing assault using bridging equipment are dismal since it will be a very long time to dry out the shores to support equipment.

Posted by: MajorMike | Jun 6 2023 16:40 utc | 213

According to the videos posted on the simplicius76 substack there were 2 detonations at or just below the water line. These were likely sea mines that were floated down river by Ukrainian forces.
As for the vehicular bridge parallel to the dam, it was destroyed by the Russians last year.

Posted by: Clear Foggy Bottom | Jun 6 2023 16:41 utc | 214

The lack of any meaningful political opposition to this US proxy war in the US and Europe is worrying. Most of the opposition parties are just as gung-ho as the ones in government, so we can’t even vote our way out of this. Even the Green party here in the UK condemned Russia’s “unprovoked invasion of Ukraine”.

Posted by: D J G | Jun 6 2023 16:42 utc | 215

Now that the South ‘counteroffensive’ is out for some months, maybe its better/time for RF to take Sumi, and Kharkov? And also, Chernihov from Belarus?
Kiev is just 100kms from the Belarus border, by the way.
The last time, the RF forces crossed the Ukraine border from both Belarus and Russia, from both sides of the Kiev Reservoir. (That Reservoir was also made by the Soviets.) And now, Belarus is a nuclear power, in a way.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2023 16:44 utc | 216

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 6 2023 16:38 utc | 215
Which counter-offensive? I am asking this question for at least one month. Now I prefer to call this kind of “things”: meat-grinders.
They came, they saw, they died. Reminds me of something, but forgot what… 😉
About distraction, you are 100% right.

Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 6 2023 16:46 utc | 217

Thanks to b and the comments/data – very enlightening.
IMO, if this is part of Ukraine’s terrorist offensive we can expect continued escalation to nuclear power plants and US bio warfare labs etc (attacked by Russia of course) – the goal to create an unprecedented humanitarian crisis which invites direct NATO intervention.
The ‘offensive’ was never meant to take on the Russian military, but to go scorched earth.

Posted by: gottlieb | Jun 6 2023 16:52 utc | 218

I imagine the mood on the Russian street today is quite foul.
Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Jun 6 2023 11:49 utc | 72

Possibly it would be hard for you to believe, but the SMO has not cnanged the daily life of 85% of Russians. And things that happen at Ukie are noticed passably if at all. 85% of people delegated the SMO to the professionals and trust them to do their job. That’s what pisses off most of the concern squickers in Russia and abroad, who want to seem significant and so demand complete mobilization and all-out war: almost nobody in Russia thinks it’s necessary, Russia will win without shitting bricks. Russia will win the SMO the way our MOD deems necessary, not looking for approval of some gay clowns in some social media.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 6 2023 16:56 utc | 219

Big distraction for Belgorod region too. Shebekino was hit again. Yesterday almost 500 strikes on it, according to their governor. In another village in Belgorod, Grad was used

Posted by: rk | Jun 6 2023 16:56 utc | 220

So you dont think the mobilization of ethnic Russians into the Ukrainian AF; and then being sent into The Bakhmut meat grinder wasn’t sudicial?
Posted by: Jerr | Jun 6 2023 16:33 utc | 213
I already read this argument but a Russian soldier in uaf has a gun. He can himself chose to die returning fire on his ukrops officer or die firing on his Russian brother. Tis a very disturbing fact that there are not more mutinies in uaf.

Posted by: America is defeated | Jun 6 2023 16:58 utc | 221

All was planned a long time ago:
https://t.me/vladimirtupin/29824
https://t.me/vladimirtupin/29825
By the way, today very useful to hide the fact that 52 tanks and 3700 servicemen were destroyed.

Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 6 2023 17:00 utc | 222

Re. floating mines at the dam. It’s most likely possible. Turks used to float mines down the Dardanelles strait during Gallipoli campaign. They also sunk some ships. You can strap some small explosive onto the mine to go off with a timer, ensuring that it has had time to float against the wall of the dam.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 6 2023 17:01 utc | 223

Nice to see all the NATO fanbois and concern trolls back! We missed you. I know, I know … there hasn’t been much to cheer (or wring your hands) about for quite a while. Perhaps your days have been consumed by extending thoughts and prayers to kinfolk of the shit-ton of dead Ukie Nazis that have been sent to Bandera since you last graced us with your presence. No mind, the SMO presses on, and all “Zelly and Gang” can do is merely inconvenience, and delay the inevitable
A special shout-out to all the learned strategists of the 101st Chairborne Division! Thanks for enlightening us as to what it all means … to you, and only you.

Posted by: LastLaugh | Jun 6 2023 17:06 utc | 224

Yesterday, a quote from The Good, the bad, and the Ugly was provided, paraphrased–“I’ve never seen so many men wasted so uselessly”–over a battle for a bridge. The Good and the Ugly teamed up to blow the bridge so the combat would shift to another area and they could get on with their trek to get the buried gold.
The undermining of the dam by the damage inflicted by the Ukies buttresses that line when we factor in the useless wastage of many motorized infantry troops in the Ukies utterly crazy attempt at an assault on Russian lines. Whether planned or not, the undermining has served a great purpose in eliminating that horrific defeat from the pro-Ukie media. Given the fact that Ukie troops stationed on islands needed to be hastily evacuated, although it’s possible they weren’t told about the dam’s impending demise due to a fresh effort to destroy it, the most likely cause was the deliberately increased pressure on the damaged dam caused it to fail, but only partially. If the aim was to trigger the most violent burst of water downstream, then the whole of the dam would’ve been destroyed, particularly at its base to maximize water flow.
However, the dam and the road that crossed its top can still be utilized with the use of bridging equipment connecting the now severed ends. If as several of us believe and the dam was only marginally breeched, the flooding downriver won’t be nearly as extensive as the modeling of a complete collapse showed. IMO, it would be wise to withhold further assumptions for another 48 hours to see if the extent of the damage can be assessed. Looking at the video provided by Simplicius, only about 15-20% of the entire dam was breeched, plus water levels on the downstream side of the dam were already very high (it would be good to see pics of the dam from a few days ago for comparison), implying the river was already close to flood stage. Meanwhile, the failed offensive continues. How many more Ukies will die in today?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2023 17:10 utc | 225

Ukraine Destroyed Kakhovka Station to Transfer Units to Offensive Area – Russian Defense Minister Shoigu
“The Ukrainian forces destroyed the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant to transfer some military units from the Kherson direction to their offensive area, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday.
Shoigu also said that last night “the Kiev regime committed another terrorist attack” when it destroyed the station’s facilities, adding that this action led to “flooding of large areas.”
“The purpose of these actions, according to available data, is as follows. After failing in offensive operations, in order to strengthen its potential, the enemy intends to transfer units and equipment from the Kherson direction to the area of their offensive operations, thus significantly weakening its positions in the Kherson direction,” Shoigu said, adding that Kiev also targeted the station to prevent Russia’s military offensive.
According to the minister, Ukraine has started to build up defensive positions on right bank of the Dnepr river, “which indicates their intention to go on the defensive here.”
Increased Water Discharge From Middle Dnepr HPP Indicates That Kiev Planned Sabotage – Shoigu
“The Ukrainian authorities have discharged water from the Middle Dnepr Hydroelectric Power Plant (HPP) for an even greater flooding of territories, which indicates that Kiev planned a large-scale sabotage in Novaya Kakhovka in advance, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday.
“In addition, according to the available data, the discharge of water from the Middle Dnepr HPP has been significantly increased, which leads to even greater flooding of territories. This fact testifies to a large-scale sabotage planned in advance by the Kiev regime,” Shoigu said.
Ukraine blew up the structures of the Kakhovka plant, which led to the flooding of significant territories in the Kherson Region, the minister concluded.”

Posted by: Kakhovka | Jun 6 2023 17:12 utc | 226

It appears that the dam destruction was planned so as to transfer troops from Kherson to Zaporojie. It is designed to hinder any Russian offensive by the Russians for a long time. The ukronazis are going only defensive on that right bank of the Dniepr with much less forces.

Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 6 2023 17:14 utc | 227

very disturbing fact that there are not more mutinies in uaf.
Posted by: America is defeated | Jun 6 2023 16:58 utc | 225
I think there are, most don’t reach the internet. And with the high number of soldiers killed to prevent surrender or retreat, Zeli has total control over the information. Some may even think they post messages online, but their online is filtered. starlink at least is a completely isolated internet. Internet and media in Ukr looks to me like a test to be expanded to entire natostan soon.

Posted by: rk | Jun 6 2023 17:14 utc | 228

Yeah, Right | Jun 6 2023 13:32 utc | 122–
Simplicius notes the explosions may be due to sea mines floated down river as was initially planned. The one impacting the earthen berm was clearly of that nature.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2023 17:17 utc | 229

If you have a look at Dniepr river on the map, you’d see a lot of dams across it. And, a lot of hydroelectrical plants. All that were built by the Soviets. They cannot be given to the US/NATO/Ukie Nazis just like that. Just because few assholes signed an (illegal) agreement in Białowieża in December 1991, doesn’t mean what’s created by the Soviets can be allowed to fall into some enemy hands.
So, at the end of the SMO, most of the Ukraine will be absorbed into Russia, including Kiev, I suppose. The new border will pass about 200kms west from Kiev and connecting Transnistria. I believe the SMO will go on till 2026.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2023 17:23 utc | 230

Why doesn’t Rus make water purification plants for Crimea?
BroncoBilly | Jun 6 2023 14:39 utc | 156
Typically water from that source is avoided because it costs a lot more.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 6 2023 17:38 utc | 231

This thing is settled. MSM decided to run with the “Russia blew up dam because they are scared of the upcoming great offensive”.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 6 2023 17:44 utc | 232

If the breech was induced by sea mines as seems most likely, the damage would be limited to the top portion of the dam as the mines are floaters atop the surface, not submerged beneath. Escobar has a short video posted at his Telegram of Russian investigators examining the situation. If the water level doesn’t drop as much as NATO wants, I’d expect a repeat of the attack.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2023 17:47 utc | 233

I wonder how many Leopards were drowned as a result of the breach?
Russia ordinarily would not have had a motive to breach the dam. However; if some 30,000 to 70,000 Ukrainian troops with all the donated tanks and other weaponry happened to be parked down stream, I would be tempted.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Jun 6 2023 17:49 utc | 234

@ Intelligent Dasein | Jun 6 2023 11:49 utc | 72
I imagine the mood on the Russian street today is quite foul.
You’re not on the Russian street today and the mood of Russians there is not quite foul.
I am not imagining this fact.

Posted by: Moscow Exilre | Jun 6 2023 17:50 utc | 235

Each Russian who grew up during the Soviet era knows this revolutionary song ‘Kakhovka, Kakhovka’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp-IyW8ThIU

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Jun 6 2023 17:53 utc | 236

Another view, positing a Russian strategic maneuver behind the damn:
If Russia wants to cross the Dniper and liberate places like Odessa, this Dam needed to be blown up. Surovikin understood this immediately, that he cant advance with this dam in his back that can cut his forces from supply for weeks if blown up. So he left the west bank of Kerson when the water was not high yet.
The spring rains filled it up.
But for Russian troops to re-cross and move towards the Russian city of Odessa, to liberate the east and connect with the Russian troops isolated in Transnistria, the dam needed to go…
Also now when it is blown up, it has some other bennefits. It floods all the ammunitions’ depots the Ukrainians had been building up. All their work over the past few months is going to be underwater now. Like bees they had been preparing for their sabotage groups to move forward and now… this floods their advance bases from which they intended to lunch and support commando groups to attack Russia in the ‘back’ in support of their offensive.
The water also makes now a protective barrier for a few weeks at least on the Russian west side so Russia can concentrate on the North, where the ukrainian main counteroffensive is traying to develop. Now the Russian flank is protected. Other wise Russia would need to keep allot more troops in here, to counter the Ukrainian raids, keeping men tied up b/c if they let them trough those groups will move between the army in the north and Crimea.
Finally blowing it now, allows the blame to be laid at Ukraine door, as something they did for their counter-offensive. So it is a good time to do it because the flooded population will blame Ukraine.
Either side could have done it, but there are reasons why the Russian military intelligence carried this operation. It can not be excluded. Things look bad now, but imagine in a few months when the Ukrainian counter offensive is destroyed, their reserves chewed up. Vagner is back pushing forward in Donbass as do other Russian units. The Ukrainians are hard pressed and then all of a sudden Russian airborne and marines land in Kershon, back again! The Ukrainians have few reserves to meet them with, their main Ukrainian army is hard pressed in Donbass and they cant blow up the Dam….
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/32654

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 6 2023 17:54 utc | 237

If the water level doesn’t drop as much as NATO wants, I’d expect a repeat of the attack.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2023 17:47 utc | 238
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The water level won’t drop, rather will rise. Or, already rising. NATO and their planning…

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2023 17:55 utc | 238

Kakhovka Reservoir water levels

Imo, had Russia taken steps to mitigate the damage by earlier lowering the water levels behind the dam…
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 6 2023 16:22 utc | 205

If Russia feared a breach of the dam because of explosions, sabotage, structural damage, or Ukrainian water level manipulation, then the sensible thing to do would have been to keep the water level as low as possible by keeping the flood gates open.
The version of the Wikipedia article on the Kakhovka Reservoir, that was up last night, provided this information:

Beginning in early November 2022, Russia opened the spillways at the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant and the reservoir dropped to its lowest level in 3 decades, putting at risk irrigation and drinking water resources as well as the coolant systems for the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. Between December 1, 2022, and February 6, 2023, the water level dropped 2 meters.[3] The purpose blah blah…
After reaching a low point the water level began to rise after the Ukrainian government began filling it with water from other reservoirs on the Dnipro River. “All of this poses a threat of lowering the water level to a critical level throughout the whole cascade of Dnipro reservoirs in Ukraine,” said Ukraine’s Ministry of Environmental Protection and Natural Resources.[4]
Since mid-February, 2023, either deliberately or as a result of neglect, the damaged dam at Nova Kakhovka has not been adjusting to the seasonal increase in water flow, to the point that water is washing over the top of the dam and land above it has been flooded.[5] Water levels in the reservoir have reached a 30-year high.[6]

This video shows an important detail:

OSINTtechnical @Osinttechnical, June 6, 2023
Additional footage from on top of the generator hall of the breached Kakhovka dam

On the pavement south of the turbine hall a flood barrier made out of gabions (sand-filled boxes, a Russian version of the Hesco bastion) was in the process of being built. Evidently there was fear that the reservoir would overflow from the sides of the dam.
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The same video also shows that the part of the turbine hall that is still standing upright has moved about 10 meters downstream to the west, some 5 meter north and 3 meters down. There is now water flowing in a gulley between the turbine hall and the southern shore. The whole section of the dam with turbine hall must have moved. There is no way the dam can ever be repaired or rebuilt before Russia controls both banks of the Dnieper River up to Zaporozhye, and everything within missile range from it.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 6 2023 17:55 utc | 239

Zelensky explains it as any actor would . . .
Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
This is just one day of Russian aggression. This is just one Russian act of terrorism. This is just one Russian war crime. Now Russia is guilty of brutal ecocide. Any comments are superfluous.
The world must react. Russia is at war against life, against nature, against civilization. Russia must leave the Ukrainian land and must be held fully accountable for its terror. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 6 2023 17:55 utc | 240

From a ZH posting

The reason why few foresaw this is because Kovalchuk admitted to WaPo last December that his side had previously planned to blow up part of the Kakhovka Dam as part of its Kherson Counteroffensive.
It therefore seemed unthinkable that Kiev would ultimately do just that over half a year later and then gaslight that Moscow was to blame when the Mainstream Media itself earlier reported the existence of Ukraine’s terrorist plans after quoting the same Major General who bragged about them at the time. Awareness of this fact doesn’t change what happened, but it can have a powerful impact on the Western public’s perceptions of this conflict, which is why WaPo’s report should be brought to their attention.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 6 2023 17:57 utc | 241

Don Bacon | Jun 6 2023 17:55 utc | 245
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Tell your friend Zelensky that Kiev too is Russia. and he is not even a Slav.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2023 17:59 utc | 242

Your own personal choice of bad guy certainly did this, of that you can be quite certain. No facts needed, which is convenient since we don’t know much yet.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Jun 6 2023 18:00 utc | 243

Undoubtedly this terrorist act is was what captured that ghoul Lindsay Graham’s glee when the Ukrainians communicated their ‘counter-offensive’ plans while that chicken-hawk was in Kiev.
I had been pondering why Graham, along with others, were so smug and confident about the so-called counter-offensive. They knew about the plan to destroy the Kakova dam. Thinking only about optics and brazenness, these psychopaths think such an act is form of victory. It certainly is an escalation and seems to have served to deflect the steep losses the AFU suffered in their repulsed attack in S. Donetsk.

Posted by: Akash | Jun 6 2023 18:02 utc | 244

Just imagine a ‘little’ explosion in the Arctic circle just above Norway, somewhere around Svalbard…

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2023 18:12 utc | 245

Akash | Jun 6 2023 18:02 utc | 249
With actions like his you win elections in US. Graham might be president in the future. And bojo had a meeting with orange man on Ukr topic a few days ago.

Posted by: rk | Jun 6 2023 18:16 utc | 246

Just looking at maps, it appears it would be possible to construct a water pipeline (or aqueduct) running from the Kuban River, across the Kerch Straits via the Kerch bridge and directly into Crimea.

Posted by: William Verick | Jun 6 2023 18:17 utc | 247

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2023 17:59 utc | 247
Bacon’s post was critical of Zelensky.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 6 2023 18:19 utc | 248

New damage to major dam near Kherson after Russian retreat -Maxar satellite Published November 12, 2022
I recall the Ukies taking pot shots at the dam in times past when the Russians were in Kherson. Apparently there was damage prior to the current failure or destruction. The Russians left Kherson over fears of having resource trapped on the wrong side of the river in case of destruction of the dam.
The Dam broke at the same spot the damage was documented on 11 November 2022 so It is very possible the massive pressure of the water finally took its toll on the damaged structure.
Of course, no matter what happened Trump and Russia did it.

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 6 2023 18:22 utc | 249

@ 254
Notice the craters in the photos

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 6 2023 18:24 utc | 250

Akash@249….it was done to block the RF in the south. All major Ukie units guarding this zone can now be used to shore up the failed Zap offensive, or block the RF should it see the opportunity to go on the march west.
On the face of it, it frees up more meat for the grinder……same grinder, new name.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 6 2023 18:29 utc | 251

I’ll beat this dead horse one last time.
According to Wikipedia (already updated to note the destruction of it) the Dan had an annual generation of 1.4 TWh.
Now, it is possible that some of that may be restorable, if the intake valves are still below water.
But I don’t believe that all that power generation is going to come back any time soon. And I don’t believe either that it will be lost only to Russian held territory. Likely a lot of it went to Odessa, & the Ukrainian held parts of Kherson.
That’s another blow to de-energize Ukraine and possibly cause more inflation in Europe.
Combined with the loss of NS2, these entropic developments are not good for the world economy.
Anyone else able to put that loss of power generation in perspective?
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 6 2023 17:18 utc | 234
The generating capacity of that dam is trivial compared to the generating capacity of the nuclear power plant that Russia has captured. The biggest nuclear power plant in Europe has been forced to shut down by repeated Ukrainian attacks for many months now. Now that the dam has been destroyed, the water supply to cool the tractors is gone. There is also no chance of restoring the water supply to Crimea.
This was a scorched Earth strategy by Ukraine to make the impending Russian counter-counter-offensive as unprofitable as possible. The result will be a massive decrease in industrial potential as well as agricultural production. It makes sense only if you remember that Zelenski is a puppet to the globalists who are acolytes of Anthropogenic Global Warming Theology. Their End Game is the same as Thanos. They want to massively cull the global population.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Jun 6 2023 18:31 utc | 252

How the various parties react to this latest infrastructural attack will reveal their culpability.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 6 2023 18:38 utc | 253

One of those days when reading comments section is waste of time.
It is absolutely irrelevant who is responsible for destruction of the dam. Russia can not change western narrative no matter what so why bother?
There is one thing that I don’t know how to explain.
Russia withdrew from the west bank under the threat to be flooded. At that time they started releasing water from the lake to minimize risk of scenario we have now.
My question is: How could it happen that water level in the lake is at record high?

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 6 2023 18:38 utc | 254

I think the dam being blown up is a sign there is not going to be a counter offensive. They have been trying for a week and failed everywhere. This is the first step in trying to freeze the conflict. NATO doesn’t care about Ukrainian lives but losing the majority of the new equipment would be embarrassing, it will be employed in defence.
Western media always talks about new negotiations happening this year as if it is a given. I expect to see huge pressure on Russia to come to the table by the autumn which they must resist.
NATO never really wanted to fight a war of combined arms and manoeuvre. They want to be able to use Ukraine as a cover for a terror campaign against the Russian state.

Posted by: SB | Jun 6 2023 18:44 utc | 255

My question is: How could it happen that water level in the lake is at record high?

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 6 2023 18:38 utc | 259
1) because Ukraine still controls the dams and sluices further upstream
2) because it has been a wet winter and early spring.
Hope this comment meets your exacting standards…

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 6 2023 18:47 utc | 256

the most incompetent but also brutally monstrous regime currently in existence anywhere on the planet?
Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 6 2023 16:25 utc | 208
You’re thinking of someone else!

Posted by: jpc | Jun 6 2023 18:48 utc | 257

The Smoking Gun?
A satellite service in France, Theia, measures the water levels of lakes and water reservoirs like the Nova Khakovka Dam. The data suggests that Ukraine artificially raised the water level in the reservoir to the highest level in 8 years just before the dam was destroyed. Smoking gun?
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1666138891458580480/photo/1

Posted by: Irish | Jun 6 2023 18:50 utc | 258

NATO never really wanted to fight a war of combined arms and manoeuvre. They want to be able to use Ukraine as a cover for a terror campaign against the Russian state.
Posted by: SB | Jun 6 2023 18:44 utc | 260
Nato is settling for a frozen conflict.
That option has been mentioned a few times.
This breach is part of the process.

Posted by: jpc | Jun 6 2023 18:53 utc | 259

pretzelattack: Bacon is a reliable parrot of Ukie disinformation. I ignore his posts.
rk: Miss Lindsey wouldn’t be the first gay US president. (C’mon, gay community! You can do better than that.)
oh, and speaking of trolls: The best evidence—albeit circumstantial—that the Ukies blew the dam is the sudden but utterly predictable onslaught of CIPSOis “concern” trolls. Even Zanon (as Oanon) made an appearance.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 6 2023 18:53 utc | 260

I meant “CIPSOid” of course.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 6 2023 18:55 utc | 261

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 6 2023 18:47 utc | 261
There is new video footage released. Seems that before the (whatever impact explosion), the dam was still releasing water through the mid section (the flood gate either breached or open). But perhaps Upstream dams have ability to release more water than Kakohvka dam has ability to release through, which could explain why it was still at high level.
Either way, here’s the video of something impacting.

June 6, 02:46 am, filming in TPN-1TOD of the moment of water spill through the destroyed Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station
For 7 seconds, an explosion, but it looks more like a mine or an 82 mm projectile that has arrived.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1666150813574496264

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 6 2023 18:55 utc | 262

@ 2+2=5 | Jun 6 2023 18:38 utc | 259
re: Russia withdrew from the west bank under the threat to be flooded. . .My question is: How could it happen that water level in the lake is at record high?
Good question. I for one have long argued that Russia would depart Kherson city because the bridges had been blown and military activities could not be supported logistically. Then they did depart for that reason according to Tass, at the time.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 6 2023 18:57 utc | 263

Posted by: Weest of England A0ndy | Jun 6 2023 18:47 utc | 261

1) because Ukraine still controls the dams and sluices further upstream
2) because it has been a wet winter and early spring.

Nope.
Answer to both your arguments is, open the gates and release the water. As simple as that.

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 6 2023 19:03 utc | 264

@jpc | Jun 6 2023 18:53 utc | 264
Nato is settling for a frozen conflict.
Yes, the forever Korean Armistice has served the west beautifully in Asia, and serves as a European model for an end to the SMO with an armistice and a DMZ, the US believes.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 6 2023 19:05 utc | 265

Posted by: jpc | Jun 6 2023 18:53 utc | 264
Seems to me that it’s not in NATO’s power to decide to ‘settle’ for a frozen conflict. Russia will have plenty to say, possibly including the words “agreement incapable”…
What NATO wants and what NATO gets aren’t necessarily going to be the same thing. That has become more clear as the SMO has continued.

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 6 2023 19:05 utc | 266

how is describing Zelensky as a paid actor reciting his lines “Ukie disinformation”? Zelensky is a fraud. I haven’t seen post by Bacon that deny that Ukraine blew the dam.i dont follow every poster so I don’t know, but I haven’t seen evidence of that.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 6 2023 19:06 utc | 267

The one thing that resolves the “who did it?” and the finger pointing as a bit of the cui bono, is that the dam ultimately collapsed from previous damage. If anyone finds an image of detonations or missile strike please post it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 6 2023 19:07 utc | 268

@William Verick #252:

Just looking at maps, it appears it would be possible to construct a water pipeline (or aqueduct) running from the Kuban River, across the Kerch Straits via the Kerch bridge and directly into Crimea.

There’s barely enough water in the Kuban River as it is: The Kuban River spent on fields (Kommersant, Yelena Ryzhkova, June 26, 2019 — in Russian). And building water desalination plants just to be able to grow rice in Crimea does not make sense from an economic standpoint. It’s easier to just not grow rice there.

Posted by: S | Jun 6 2023 19:10 utc | 269

pretzelattack: Whatevs. I can read that crap anywhere. Why it’s glutting up this site…well, if it floats your boat, that’s your business.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 6 2023 19:10 utc | 270

What NATO wants and what NATO gets aren’t necessarily going to be the same thing. That has become more clear as the SMO has continued.
Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 6 2023 19:05 utc | 271
100%
Dreams reality as the Father Ted cartoon went on one episode.

Posted by: jpc | Jun 6 2023 19:11 utc | 271

reply to 242
I sincerely don’t get it. I would think destroying the dam makes any advance on Odessa far worse – longer and more difficult.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 6 2023 19:12 utc | 272

Alexander Mercouris with a long section on the dam. Uploaded in last two hours. If anyone is interested. Recommend a playback speed of 1.25 as the dam takes up quite a bit of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2KDeLfmI_Q

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jun 6 2023 19:13 utc | 273

A few weeks ago, two RuAF jets and two RuAF helicopters were shot down.
CONCERN on MoA was at an all time high.
“incompetent shoigu and corrupt putin have no idea what they are doing?”
“Why doesn’t Shoigu command a large scale charge, under surprise of daylight, across the minefields,damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead, and dont forget to nuke the civvies too! That’s what they should be doing, or else this war is lost”
Yesterday, in one day, the ukrainians lost an su -27, two su-25s, and two mi-8 helos, a better than average day.

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 6 2023 19:16 utc | 274

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 6 2023 18:55 utc | 267
Thanks for that video, though the power station buildings on the right hand side still seem to be intact. Later videos (such as those reposted by Simplicius) show some serious damage to the buildings.
Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jun 6 2023 19:03 utc | 269
Not clear to me what point you’re trying to make. All dams have overflow channels/spillways to cope with excess flows of water. Additional regulation can be provided by sluices or valves within the dam structure. Are you trying to imply these were deliberately neglected somehow?

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 6 2023 19:16 utc | 275

Posted by: S | Jun 6 2023 19:10 utc | 274
None of that is needed. Crimean crops can still be irrigated. Simply cap the canal end and pump water up from the lowered reservoir level.

Posted by: GT Stroller | Jun 6 2023 19:18 utc | 276

I think a lot of posters here discount the amount of weight behind decisions such as blowing up this dam that is purely towards domestic Ukrainian propaganda and control of the population. That’s really Zelenskys top job: keep the population brainwashed and under control. He likely knows he can only be toppled from within.
Same with the counteroffensive – it is and will be a perpetual game of probing suicide attacks, and when they fail they will say “that was not the counteroffensive, it is still to come.” If one ever happens to succeed, they will announce “the glorious counteroffensive has begun!” Lies for domestic consumption (and to fool the west also).

Posted by: Archie P | Jun 6 2023 19:21 utc | 277

Nato can’t accept frozen, only their terms. Exactly like they publicly say. Frozen would be like what? Like before 2014? Or with nato bases in ukr like Syria? Obomber says no.

Posted by: rk | Jun 6 2023 19:24 utc | 278

Posted by: Stephane | Jun 6 2023 8:45 utc | 2
Hear, hear. I’ve been saying that for years. Infantile social media abbreviations and unedited streams of consciousness may be fine for 13 years olds but not here.
Thanks again b for your untiring efforts.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 6 2023 19:26 utc | 279

Just looking at maps, it appears it would be possible to construct a water pipeline (or aqueduct) running from the Kuban River, across the Kerch Straits via the Kerch bridge and directly into Crimea.
Posted by: William Verick | Jun 6 2023 18:17 utc | 252

Has been under construction for months…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 6 2023 19:27 utc | 280

prospects for launching a river crossing assault using bridging equipment are dismal
Posted by: MajorMike | Jun 6 2023 16:40 utc | 217
Only one river flows north, and it’s not the Dniepro. UAF’s sketchy marine operations into the east bank since last October, immediately after the referendums’ results, have been dismal. And there’s nothing left of their fleet to transport ammo and armor across the river or pinch RF defense along the east bank. But Sun Tzu said:

We come now to the question of encamping the army, and observing signs of the enemy. Pass quickly over mountains, and keep in the neighborhood of valleys. Camp in high places, facing the sun. Do not climb heights in order to fight. So much for mountain warfare. After crossing a river, you should get far away from it. When an invading force crosses a river in its onward march, do not advance to meet it in mid-stream. It will be best to let half the army get across, and then deliver your attack. If you are anxious to fight, you should not go to meet the invader near a river which he has to cross. Moor your craft higher up than the enemy, and facing the sun. Do not move up-stream to meet the enemy. So much for river warfare. In crossing salt-marshes, your sole concern should be to get over them quickly, without any delay. If forced to fight in a salt-marsh, you should have water and grass near you, and get your back to a clump of trees. So much for operations in salt-marches.

Two Military Summary episodes explore UAF brigade build up in grey zone flowing south from Novorontsovaka – Mykoliev region into the Kherson delta, where one supposes the plan to secure another port for the navy they don’t have. But Sun Tzu said:

All armies prefer high ground to low and sunny places to dark. If you are careful of your men, and camp on hard ground, the army will be free from disease of every kind, and this will spell victory. When you come to a hill or a bank, occupy the sunny side, with the slope on your right rear. Thus you will at once act for the benefit of your soldiers and utilize the natural advantages of the ground. When, in consequence of heavy rains up-country, a river which you wish to ford is swollen and flecked with foam, you must wait until it subsides. Country in which there are precipitous cliffs with torrents running between, deep natural hollows, confined places, tangled thickets, quagmires and crevasses, should be left with all possible speed and not approached. While we keep away from such places, we should get the enemy to approach them; while we face them, we should let the enemy have them on his rear.

So much for southern Ukraine counter-offensive.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 6 2023 19:32 utc | 281

NATO has no idea how to fight a ground war in Europe. NATO tries, but mostly the Ukrainians die. Being Slavs , the Ukrainians shouldn’t have “elected” a Jew.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2023 19:32 utc | 282

SB | Jun 6 2023 18:44 utc | 260

This is the first step in trying to freeze the conflict.
jpc | Jun 6 2023 18:53 utc | 264
Nato is settling for a frozen conflict.
Kupyansk.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Jun 6 2023 19:32 utc | 283

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 6 2023 19:05 utc | 270
I shall politely disagree with that take on the Korean DMZ. The zone has proved to be a barrier impervious to Western NGOs, ‘aid agencies’, ‘endowments for democracy’ and all the other regime-change paraphernalia. The West will not make that mistake again.

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 6 2023 19:36 utc | 284

Re: water levels and tweets by Zoka

ZOKA @200_zoka – 14:12 UTC · May 4, 2023
Water level in Kakhovka reservoir in Zaporozhye region risen by 17 m and almost reached critical level. Under threat of destruction of dam in Kamenka Dneprovskaya, dozens of villages may be flooded.
Kyiv opened the floodgates in Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye.

This tweet is partly wrong, as the water level has not risen by 17 meters. The The Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant has a head of 16 meter, meaning that the water level upstream is 16 meters above the water level downstream. “17 meters” would mean that the water level has risen by one meter. With a reservoir area of 2155 km², this would mean and extra 2.2 square kilometers of water. The Kakhovka Reservoir has a total water volume of 18.2 km3.
The Russian language Wikipedia article on the power plant says it has a max head of 16.5 meters. 17 meters would mean that the water level in the reservoir is 50 cm above flood levels.
The water level in the Kakhovka Reservoir is 44 meters above sea level. This means that the Dnieper River still has 28 meters of head, before it reaches the Black See.
There were 28 weir-type floodgates on the spillway, each measuring 12 × 9 m. On top of the spillway there are two blue-and-yellow painted movable cranes. It may be that a crane is needed to open or close a floodgate. The tracks that allow the cranes to move may have been damaged by Ukrainian shelling.
In a follow-up tweet from May 6th Zoka says:

ZOKA @200_zoka – 13:12 UCT · May 6, 2023
Russians managed to open Kakhovka Dam, which should reduce risk of dam bursting

The video shows a heavy flow of water. Even the downstream area west of the dam looks flooded. From what I can see, only the southernmost floodgates are open, putting a heavy stress on this section of the dam.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 6 2023 19:37 utc | 285

@ all
Slavyangrad posted rather rational explanation of a current situation:

A clarification on the flooding of the left (southern) bank of the Dnepr in the Kherson Oblast:
1) Some of you may have forgotten, but soon after the Russian withdrawal from the right (northern) bank of the Dnepr, a large number of shoreline settlements were evacuated. Larger cities, like Novaya Kakhovka, Alyoshki, Golaya Pristan, and others, of course, could not be evacuated entirely. However, administrative service were moved from there. This likely was done in anticipation of the undermining of the dam.
2) Likewise, the Russian Army did not establish defensive lines right at the river bank. On the contrary, lines were established 20-30 km inland, with observation outposts maintained on Dnepr basin islands and along the shore. At the time, some staunch critics of the Russian command, including, if I am not mistaken, Strelkov, heavily criticized this decision, fearing that the Ukrainians could establish bridgeheads across the river. I said, at the time, that any such danger would be mitigated by the reach of the Russian artillery. Turns out, Russian military planning is not as naive as some would have you believe.
3) Accordingly, even though some Russian outposts in the basin were flooded, this was planned for. Light special forces infantry was able to withdraw from the flood area without any losses, and they had no heavy vehicles to worry about in their manoeuvre. The Kinburn Spit outposts and most of the island positions appear to remain unaffected. The Ukrainians, on the other hand, have withdrawn throughout.
I hope this clarifies the impact of the flooding on the Russian defensive lines. In short, there has been none, so far.

This all, as it seems, gets RF in a favourable position if they opt for Odesa. Not that they will storm Odesa from Kherson but having Kinburn Spit is very useful.
Odesa can be only taken from the North or more risky move, in some simultaneous combination of paratroopers, land and naval forces.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 6 2023 19:37 utc | 286

Posted by: OnceWere | Jun 6 2023 15:14 utc | 170
Yeah, forgot about that one.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 6 2023 19:44 utc | 287

An alternative to the “floating mines” theory was proposed by a Turkish source.
That is the use of one of those “drone boats” which have been used to attack Russian Black Sea fleet ships in Svastopol, and also off the Turkish coast. They have a lot more explosives in them than a mine or even most large missiles.
With careful preparation one could have been used either from downstream or upstream (choice), Hitting the centre of what is now the major breach. Of the 28 sluice gates, 11 are destroyed. These would have enabled an explosion at water level, directly into the concrete at the bottom of the dam.
Sounds a good theory to be taken into account.
I believe the boats were originally supplied by the British.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 6 2023 19:49 utc | 288

In my post 293 above, I said “28 sluice gates” which would have beeen better expresssed as “28 weir-type floodgates” (as per Pietri Krohn @290)

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 6 2023 19:57 utc | 289

Peter B no. 203
You (and the ecologists) got that right.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jun 6 2023 19:58 utc | 290

Neofeudalfuture | Jun 6 2023 13:55 utc | 133

Democracy- most people are idiots and shouldn’t be allowed to weigh in on important decisions. It can only make things worse. We need families with ties to the past and future to lead us, not fly by night demagogues looting the treasury.

You are obviously not an advocate of “democracy”. I’m OK with this, since the word has been overused by the wrong people, along with other buzzwords such as “freedom” and “human rights”. A case can be made for monarchy, since the ruler has a wider time horizon than just the coming 4 years and a closer relationship with his country and its people. I guess that is what you meant by “families with ties…”
However, I’ll bet with you that if we did have real democracies in the West, we wouldn’t be in the current cramped and dangerous situation.

Posted by: grunzt | Jun 6 2023 20:00 utc | 291

Eighthman @ 277

I sincerely don’t get it. I would think destroying the dam makes any advance on Odessa far worse – longer and more difficult.

Whoever the author is (welcome to life in 2023) he seems to be saying that with the dam gone the Russians can ultimately advance across the Dnieper in force again no longer having to worry about getting cut off by flooding as in the first part of the SMO.
As for going around the long way, given my terribly superficial understanding of the geography there, it seems without the Antonivsky and Nova Kakhovka bridges everything is the long way, and given the escalation and NATO involvement since the first part of the SMO moving a large invasion force across two bottlenecks even if they were intact no longer seems viable.
Where I disagree with the author isn’t about tactics of the dam it’s that the failure of the first part of the SMO shows that Russia cannot and will not take Nikolaev and Odessa and march to Transnitria in force, period, and might as well add in taking Kharkov and maybe Kiev. RF’s only hope is to keep on keeping on wearing down the AFU, making them come to them, until the army and the state collapses and then go from there. Maybe by then the EU will be in Great Depression II, not that being bankrupt ever stopped anyone from waging war, just the opposite.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 6 2023 20:04 utc | 292

This has British and American fingerprints all over it. The military leadership in the Ukraine does not even wipe its own ass without asking permission from the USA first. They are entirely dependent upon the USA for their continued existence. They would not have done something of this magnitude without approval from their benefactors first, so the suggestions that the Ukraine went behind the back of the USA to do this are absurd. The suggestion that Russia did it themselves is not even worth entertaining long enough to refute. It is on par with the claims that Russia was shelling their own nuclear power plant last year. The British most likely did all of the heavily lifting, while the USA just rubber stamped the plan.
Really, the British just need to be completely wiped out, civilians and all. Because of their crimes, historical and in present day, a longer list than anyone else in history, they have forfeited their right to life. Fire the Poseidons, Putin. The world will thank you for eliminating the foremost enemy of humanity.

Posted by: FVK | Jun 6 2023 20:05 utc | 293

FVK @ 298
Agreed this has UK written all over it, wanton destruction and scorched earth are totally out of character for the RF leadership but it fits the UK like a bespoke suit. But even there, the UK is likely free to improvise small things, attacks on Belgorod, but the big things must get USA approval, it’s the master’s favorite dog but it is still a dog.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 6 2023 20:15 utc | 294

Posted by: FVK | Jun 6 2023 20:05 utc | 298
Hey, wait a minute, some of us here in Britain are only too well aware of the havoc caused by our ruling classes across our islands and then across the world.
Some of us here try to keep the flame burning, the rebellious heritage bequeathed to us by the likes of Wat Tyler, Gerard Winstanley, the Red Clyde, and so on.
Just FYI, Karl Marx is buried in Highgate cemetery…

Posted by: West of England Andy | Jun 6 2023 20:19 utc | 295

FVK @ 298
Oh, and disagree completely with your heinous conclusion, lots of exceptional people in the UK as everywhere, they too are colonized by a thousand year infestation of predatory depraved aristocracy who see their population as livestock to fleece and gnaw on. It takes time to develop consciousness, organize and fight, but it’s there – here, there, everywhere. It’s a matter of belief and patience without which you are alone and lost in the dark.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 6 2023 20:23 utc | 296

Reply to JPC.
“You’re thinking of someone else…”
Maybe you’re being sarcastic. But, to be clear, when I wrote “the most incompetent but also brutally monstrous regime currently in existence anywhere on the plane,” I wasn’t saying I believed that, but rather that this is the official Zelensky/Ukrainian state position: that Russia is capable of everything, obviously including genocide, and now “ecocide.” In other words, the Russians are basically the second coming of the Third Reich and that the Russian Federation needs to be smashed into a thousand pieces, so as to never darken the door of history again.

Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 6 2023 20:23 utc | 297

OFFICIAL
Battle of Vremevka Tactical Bridgehead
Start date: June 3rd
Finish Date: June 6th
Duration: 3 days
Defeated Forces: Ukrainian Brigades 23rd, 31st, 37th and 68th
Loses
Ukrainian: 3,715 personnel
Riussian: 352 personnel
Ukrainian Armoured Vehicles Lost
52 Tanks, 207 FAV, 134 Vehicles, 48 Artillery ststems
Drones Lost
Ukrainian: 53

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 6 2023 20:23 utc | 298

@GT Stroller #281:

Simply cap the canal end and pump water up from the lowered reservoir level.

Yes, but the AFU will keep destroying the pumps. Perhaps Russian military engineers can make the North Crimean canal deeper for, say, 15 km, so the pumps can be located away from the frontline.
By the way, there’s another canal 20 km up the river, the Kakhovka canal, that is supplying Melitopol with water and is now also affected by the lowering of the water level in the Kakhovka reservoir.

Posted by: S | Jun 6 2023 20:25 utc | 299

unimperator | Jun 6 2023 18:55 utc | 267–
I doubt the explosion was an 82mm mortar shell as more would’ve followed to help widen the breech. Other video show explosions occuring on the earthen wall face of the dam that would have little effect. On the drone boat hypothesis: there would be debris from the boat but there’s none. As Simplicius noted, there’s no audible sign of incoming shell/rocket fire to indicate that form of attack.
Until the water recedes enough to view the structure under the sluice gates, there’s little point in further discussion. A breech has happened and waters are being released.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2023 20:26 utc | 300