Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 10, 2023
“Let’s Try This Again!”

Yesterday I posted a picture of a Leopard 2A6 tank, 4 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, and a Soviet era mine clearing vehicle all caught up next to each other in a minefield. There is now also better video of that scene as well as others.


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For unknown reasons the Ukrainian command later decided to add five more Bradleys to the scrap exposition:

Military Advisor @miladvisor – 18:06 UTC · Jun 9, 2023

⚡️👇9x 🇺🇸M2 Bradley,🇩🇪Leopard 2A6, armoured recovery vehicle lost by Ukrainian forces.
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It is the same Leopard tank in the same position. I believe that the ‘armoured recovery vehicle’ @miladvisor mentions is an incorrect identification of the mine clearing vehicle that can also be seen in the previous picture.

All of those vehicles seem to have some mobility damage, i.e. they lost a track or two due to mine explosions. One of the added Bradleys seems to be on fire. Then its neighboring Bradley decides to also burn and explodes.


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Someone had sent half a company into a minefield where it was damaged and stopped. He then sent the second half of the company to the same place where it met the same fate.

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” (No, that is not an Einstein quote.)

Here is a first person view video from the Ukrainian side of what, I believe, is another group of four Bradleys in a minefield. Finally someone throws smoke grenades so some of the soldiers involved can be evacuated.

Simplicitus tries to put some rationality cover over the Ukrainian decision to attack the strongest defense position of the Russian forces:

This is all to say that Ukraine has almost no time left to make a big splash. They have no option apart from gaining one final big flashy triumph they can hail as a victory to be sold to their souring Western audience, whose support is slowly drying up, and who’s getting ready to throw in the towel.

And the only way for Ukraine to get such a huge and relatively ‘fast’ triumph is by severing the Crimean landbridge. It’s the only objective in the entire conflict where Ukraine can deal one big deathblow to Russia’s jugular in a very proportionately small amount of moves. No other possible combination of captures or assaults in Donbass can have such an effect.

I find that hard to accept. One attacks where one has the highest chance of success, not where some foreign political calender tells one to go. How that is then (over-)sold to the ‘western’ public is a completely different question.

Throughout the last night the 47th brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces tried to attack the Russian lines.The 47th is supposed to be elite, as it was trained and armed by NATO countries.

Two columns of the brigade were hit and stopped before they could reach the line of contact. What was then left to attack failed to break through.

Comments

Posted by: Marvin | Jun 11 2023 8:51 utc | 358
I’ll let you into a secret, Combat Mission is a computer simulation by a company called Battlefront who took some mechanics and concepts from a board game ‘Squad Leader’ and a pc game ‘Steel Panthers’ synthesised them and placed them into a 3D environment. The first game ‘Beyond Overlord’ was crude, but ground breaking, simulating tactical combat as never before. They went on to produce other titles, covering other WW2 theatres, but the game system and graphics were not updated. Then CMx2 came out with massive changes to the engine and it’s capabilities, including variable spotting and chains of command.
Fast forward and this game engine is used by NATO militaries to act as a sandbox game, allowing two teams the opportunity to fight a number of combat scenarios. If you played the game the way the Ukrainians are assaulting the Russians you would be eviscerated and a lot of the capabilities the Russians have are not represented in the commercial game. NATO knew the Ukrainians had no chance, this is just a brutally effective way to remove the problem, whilst garnering as much intelligence about Russia’s capabilities. All this talk about Russia’s incompetent Army, NATO could do better, was spin, ready to be deployed during and after Russia’s humiliating defeat. Once plan A failed the same spin was used to generate a smokescreen of pure bunkum, spread by an ignorant media and read by an equally ignorant public, but aimed at keeping the Ukrainians fighting and damaging Russia. Now that the hasty contingency plans and covert ops have, worsened, not improved the situation a glorious Ragnarok has been forced on the Ukrainians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBQXRF2zjYnot the desired outcome but still beneficial to the alliance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Mission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBQXRF2zjY

Posted by: Milites | Jun 11 2023 13:00 utc | 401

There is Pechersk Lavra in Kiev, and that cannot be in the hands of Nazis. One of the reasons why the Ukraine will have to capitulate.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 11 2023 13:02 utc | 402

Sorry for the jumble at the end, iPad touch screens don’t like hot days it seems!!

Posted by: Milites | Jun 11 2023 13:02 utc | 403

Uncle Tungsten wrote:
The Ukraine prosecutor is not prevented from investigations or following the trail to corrupt sources outside the country or jurisdiction at all. Perhaps restrained from actual prosecuting but only a willingly blind prosecutor would drop the investigation because it crossed a national boundary. That approach is entirely BS. Investigators seek collaboration, rely on international treaties and reciprocal prosecutorial agreements etc.
The reason Shokin was attacked by the Bidens was because he did precisely that.
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I’d love to see a single shred of evidence to back up your story.
Who or What exactly was Shokin trailing across borders to corrupt sources?
You are just making up shit to reinforce Biden’s lies about what happened.
The story that Shokin was attacked by the Bidens is pure fiction and you are inventing more fiction in a lame attempt to give a false story legs.

Posted by: jinn | Jun 11 2023 13:04 utc | 404

Who could have guessed that the combat situation would be so sensitive to rain when the battlefield surveillance is dependent upon glorified model airplanes?
Weather is going to have an oversize role. Also on the Dnieper River.
https://www.portseurope.com/total-cargo-traffic-on-the-dnieper-river-in-2021-up-over-27/

Posted by: too scents | Jun 11 2023 13:06 utc | 405

The only reason I bring it up is the interview by Garland Nixon with Scott Ritter and Marytonov. Both say NATO could do Jack shit to escalate at the moment.
The only reason they can do what they are doing at present is because they are free to roam the seas and the air and move equipment to Russia’s borders. Fly satellites over Ukraine. As long as it stays an SMO that happens indefinitely.
There’s a brilliant article waiting to be written that if Russia was ready then moving to total war would probably benefit them in ways not yet written about.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 11 2023 13:06 utc | 406

Derek Henry@401….Art5 is pretty clear, it’s up to the individual country to join in the festivities, otoh, it depends how many euro vassals are willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the USA…..and the monarchists hiding under their skirt.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 11 2023 13:11 utc | 407

It’s been a long thread but I need to thank Norwegian for the quote: tusen takk!

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 10 2023 23:49 utc | 261
History. Precedent.
Some of us here are old. We’ve seen this movie before. The cast and locale changes, but the script barely gets a rewrite.

Here’s where we differ: Yes, almost all wars start with false flags. The US are notorious war starters. Yet they never attacked Iran [1], North Korea, Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact, China. We have no historical precedent for that. When they wanted to weaken USSR, they went for Afghanistan. Easy to believe how planners in Pentagon, Langley or State Dept. thought that the Ukraine of 2021 could be the Afghanistan of 1979.
We had some close calls in Cold War 1, as you all know. There has never been a direct attack by the USA on the main enemy, for what I consider to be obvious reasons. That’s why I’m certain that Ukraine will be dropped into the trashcan like so many allies before.
[1] Even before the second Iraq war was unleashed there have been pretty open discussion in the USA about solving Iran at the same time. The usual hawks advocated for it but it didn’t happen. This tells me that (a) decision-making in the USA is not entirely spurious and (b) they didn’t make the move against a standout enemy (“axis of evil”) *without* nuclear weapons. Given that all US hostility against Iran is indirect (sanctions, sabotage, terrorism, coup attempts), the same applies to Russia, IMO. By the way, attacking North Korea has never been seriously discussed in the US (I think, tell me if I’m wrong) since Pyongyang proved nuclear capability.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 11 2023 13:12 utc | 408

@ milites
> NATO knew the Ukrainians had no chance, this is just a brutally effective way to remove the problem,
Remove what/which problem? The problem that the game lacked enough recent data to properly model Ru military capabilities?
Are you saying Ukrainians are sacrificing themselves to help Natzo literally and figuratively “up its game”?

Posted by: natokraine | Jun 11 2023 13:14 utc | 409

For all the baseless whining Democrats did for seven years about Russia “interfering in our elections” and “hacking our democracy”, Vladimir Putin is in position to significantly influence the American horse race for next president of the United States in a manner not even Biden or Trump could manage on their own.
By extending the SMO deeper into the American election cycle (and those of other NATO member states), Mr. Putin can facilitate “regime change” away from the most rabid NATO elements (Biden, Trudeau, Macron, maybe Scholz).
I only center America’s election because my country is both the motive and the money behind this war.

Posted by: Tony Jackson | Jun 11 2023 13:21 utc | 410

Posted by: Milites | Jun 11 2023 13:00 utc | 402
Bit off-topic, but speaking of PC games, if someone is interested, they could look up Gary Grigsby’s War In The East (2). Gary Grigsby is one of the considered best strategy game developer. Steel Panthers is excellent tactical and WITE a tactical strategy game depicting whole German-Soviet war with highly realistic details and rules.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 11 2023 13:23 utc | 411

Remove what/which problem?
Posted by: natokraine | Jun 11 2023 13:14 utc | 409
Possibly the ukrainians. If the plan is to empty the country to make israel 2.

Posted by: Mike | Jun 11 2023 13:25 utc | 412

Posted by: Tony Jackson | Jun 11 2023 13:21 utc | 410
“By extending the SMO deeper into the American election cycle (and those of other NATO member states), Mr. Putin can facilitate “regime change” away from the most rabid NATO elements (Biden, Trudeau, Macron, maybe Scholz).”
To parties, persons even more against the Ukrainian genocide, if the mood/gallups are to be believed. Sounds like a Russian solution, to be honest.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jun 11 2023 13:26 utc | 413

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 11 2023 3:47 utc | 315
you’d know the rumours of why the prosecutor was sacked pre-dated Joe’s boastful admission by several years.
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Feel free to actually find evidence of these rumors that you say pre-dated Joe’s fictional account.
Do you realize you just made up the existence of rumours that were such a well kept secret they went completely undetected by Ukraine federal investigative agency?
And while you are looking for evidence of rumors you might look at the hard evidence that there was no billion dollars given to Ukraine as a consequence of Shokin’s termination. There was no airplane Joe was going to leave on in 6 hours and there was no Joe Biden in Ukraine at all anytime in the months before or after Shokin left office. The whole story is a complete and total fabrication.

Posted by: jinn | Jun 11 2023 13:27 utc | 414

Advanced squad leader is a tabletop grognard wargame in the true sense, with much in common to the wargaming heritage of Prussia. The Operational Art of War is the one I would recommend given its complex simulation of logistics tails.
409. It seems insane to me, but maybe they are training their battlefield AI using Ukrainians as seeding data. It’s not beyond possibility..their actions are so irrational that I and others are grasping for a motive.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 11 2023 13:33 utc | 415

Yeah, Right | Jun 11 2023 12:49 utc | 398
If the Americans actually think that sending aircraft carriers into the Black Sea is a good idea, they are sillier than I thought, and I already thought that they were batshit crazy.
In a sane world the US Navy would refuse those orders. If they comply, they are sitting ducks and the grunts on the water know that.
In my view, the US Carrier fleet is nothing more than an obsolescent target. Hypersonic missiles with ranges into the thousand kilometres have rendered them useless. America will either wake up and seek some sort of an accommodation or be crushed. I would like to think the former, but expect that they will reject that and only change when the catastrophe can no longer be denied.

Posted by: ZimZum | Jun 11 2023 13:40 utc | 416

re: krollchem | Jun 11 2023 7:20 utc | 338
Thanks for your message.
Yes, the long-term environmental consequences of nuclear war present an existential threat to many complex forms of life, including humans. This topic is essentially ignored by the leaders of the nuclear weapon states; the consequences of nuclear war are not openly discussed, but only hinted at in the form of veiled threats issued by Presidents and military leaders.
Most people in the US “learn” about nuclear war not in classrooms, but by watching Terminator movies and sci-fi. Nuclear weapons and nuclear war stopped being discussed in US presidential elections decades ago. Consequently, both the general public and the political elites appear to have become fundamentally ignorant about the likely consequences of a nuclear war fought with strategic nuclear weapons.
The neocons running US foreign policy, whose policies are constantly increasing likelihood of nuclear war fought with Russia and/or China, exhibit an astounding indifference to such consequences. Whether is is a product of ignorance or insanity, is a matter of opinion, but the unfortunate results are the same.
I wonder if those who belittle the possibility of nuclear war are aware that both the US and Russian presidents (also the Russian Minister of Defense and the Chief of the Russian General Staff) are always accompanied by a military officer carrying the “nuclear briefcase” (called “cheget” in Russia), which allows these officials to give the permission order for a nuclear launch/attack. In the US, the options include everything from a single warhead to a full-scale attack with more than 1000 warheads; I assume the Russian cheget offers the same choices.
Deterrence requires rational behavior for it to “work”. I see increasing evidence that the neocons are much less than rational; I think they are ideologues who believe their own propaganda and are so filled with hubris that they are fully capable of starting a direct military conflict with Russia, which could quickly go nuclear once either side was clearly losing.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 11 2023 13:40 utc | 417

Possibly the ukrainians. If the plan is to empty the country to make israel 2.
Posted by: Mike | Jun 11 2023 13:25 utc | 412
They have enough problems with Israel 1.0, they cannot afford a second one. The maintenace costs are proving way too high.
Remember what some people said? After the war there will be no Ukrainians left, only Russians. There are already Russian army formations being formed in the new territories, made up of men that were formerly Ukrainian. Every Ukrainian that turns Russian makes Russia stronger. Hence NATO will kill as many Ukrainians as they can. While they still can.

Posted by: Martina | Jun 11 2023 13:44 utc | 418

Are you saying Ukrainians are sacrificing themselves to help Natzo literally and figuratively “up its game”?
Posted by: natokraine | Jun 11 2023 13:14 utc | 409
In bullfighting, is the bull sacrificing itself so the spectators had fun? Or it is carefully manipulated?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 11 2023 13:50 utc | 419

Passerby | Jun 11 2023 5:17 utc | 324

Canada has confiscated a Russian airplane, and intends to give the Airplane to Ukraine. (…) But nobody seems to think of the precedent this sets.

The precedent has been set long ago, when Russia’s 3 billions USD or Venezuela’s gold or Afghanistan’s money were seized and diverted, not to mentian Libya’s gold reserves that just disappeared and are unaccounted for. I have, for quite some time, been looking at the West as a gang of robbers led by the USA, and it is quite amazing how well this image fits their behavior. Just look at the US stealing oil in Syria, it is the most embarrassing example, revealing their robber’s mentality, and it shows how money (especially when needed by the CIA without obtaining Congress approval) is above everything else in the Anglosphere.
Now Canada, a member of the gang, takes its first shy step, albeit with a comparably small target. No surprise, the Empire just keeps exporting its lawlessness to the rest of the world (with Russia and China still trying to play by the rules that once existed).

Posted by: grunzt | Jun 11 2023 13:57 utc | 420

In any of these scenarios, the Polish army will deploy as a buffer force (french NATO TV named LCI actively pushing the idea for 3 days),
Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 10 2023 17:24 utc | 100
Listening to Lies Constant and Inept is bad for mental health. And it is moreover losing your time. One has to be a masochist to listen to such crap.

Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 11 2023 13:59 utc | 421

Posted by: jinn | Jun 11 2023 13:27 utc | 414
so now you assume whatever Ukrainian agency investigated this is legit. sure, just like the FBI

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 11 2023 14:06 utc | 422

We can try to be specific: give me instances where you think US leadership was irrational, please. This also goes to LoveDonbass: I am interested in discussing the (ir)rationality of Western politics.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 10 2023 23:13 utc | 249
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I always try to separate the signal from the noise, because there is so much noise it can be deafening. Rather than examples of irrationality, why not look for examples of rationality? It is a much shorter list.
What is the purpose of government? What does the social contract say? We all know the laws and edicts we are meant to follow. Isn’t it interesting that the responsibilities of the citizen are known and many, and that the responsibilities of the state are few and ambiguous?
Specificity is not necessary when we can confidently label much of this behavior and motivation Satanic from the jump. Not that an examination of evil is fruitless, but there is always the risk of becoming contaminated by such from too much exposure, rationalization, and sympathy.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2023 14:06 utc | 423

https://t.me/vladimirtupin/30236
Two Ukrainians soldiers trying to surrender. The first made it safely, the second was killed by the ukronazis.
Scums.

Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 11 2023 14:07 utc | 424

Posted by: Konami | Jun 11 2023 13:12 utc | 408
they never attacked Iran. what was reinstalling the Shah? if you don’t consider instigating a regime change an attack, I can’t help you. let alone the recent assassination of a general.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 11 2023 14:09 utc | 425

Even though Zelensky was born in the USSR, he still cannot think like a Slav, a Russian. For a Russian and other citizens of the USSR, the USSR was the Motherland, Rodina. Now, Russia is the Motherland, Rodina for the citizens of the Russian Federation, whatever the nationality they might have, or the religion. A mother is the most important person.
For the Ukrainians, the Ukraine is “батьківщина”, in a way, a “Daddy’s land”…a fatherland. And, for Zelensky, it is not even Adamah…

Posted by: ostro | Jun 11 2023 14:10 utc | 426

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 11 2023 12:57 utc | 401
Hell, the US blew up the pipeline and that didn’t even elicit a response, rather all the NATO poodles ignored it like a fart in an elevator.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 11 2023 14:12 utc | 427

For the Belarussians, Belarus is where they were born, so Belarus is the Motherland.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 11 2023 14:14 utc | 428

And now the ukronazis are closing completely the Dniepr dam so as to dry out the river.
An attack on the ZNPP would not surprise me.

Posted by: Quo Vadis | Jun 11 2023 14:15 utc | 429

For the Ukrainians, the Ukraine is “батьківщина”, in a way, a “Daddy’s land”…a fatherland. And, for Zelensky, it is not even Adamah…
Posted by: ostro | Jun 11 2023 14:10 utc | 426

To be fair in Russian it also can be “Отчизна”.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 11 2023 14:16 utc | 430

Posted by: grunzt | Jun 11 2023 13:57 utc | 420
Did you know that the plane in question was a charter plane that had been chartered by the Canadian government to carry medical supplies from China to Canada?
Your examples don’t work as precedent for this case of entrapment that the Canadian government pulled off.
If Canada ever needs medical supplies again, make sure they send Canadian planes to collect them. And that the supplier is not sanctioned by Canada. If no such supplier exists, that is just plain bad luck.

Posted by: Martina | Jun 11 2023 14:19 utc | 431

Germany is a fatherland, and from there came the first Nazis, now the Nazis are coming from the Ukraine, with the weapons supplied by the Germans. You can imagine why the frontline Russian soldiers call those who attack Russia from the west as the Germans.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 11 2023 14:19 utc | 432

It is one of the reasons, why the Ukraine was easy for the Nazis…

Posted by: ostro | Jun 11 2023 14:21 utc | 433

I’ll never understand, in this day of every utterance being forever available, how the whole Biden/Ukraine loan extortion details are attempted to be memory-holed. Straight from the horses(ass) mouth, you have an admission that Shokin needed (and was) to be removed in order that Ukraine gets the billion.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=urTk6O4c0mU

Posted by: Milton | Jun 11 2023 14:22 utc | 434

For unknown reasons the Ukrainian command later decided to add five more Bradleys to the exposition:
It seems to me the reasons are rather well explained by Simplicius The Thinker
Anatomy of a NATO-Planned, Trained, and Armed Disaster
Mine-clearing vehicles crear a narrow path that all following tanks etc. must follow. The first vehicle is hit by helicopter fire, and the following tanks IFV etc. must either reverse, wait or go around the destroyed tank hit by helicopter. It turns out the mine fields are so dense that trying to go around results in more losses. This pattern repeats itself until you have a large pile-up.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2023 14:11 utc | 10
Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with Simplicius’ analysis, it’s just Bernard is dumb as a brick.
And then there is this:
“I find that hard to accept. One attacks where one has the highest chance of success, not where some foreign political calender tells one to go.”
Hahahahaha. Do you actually believe in your own words?

Posted by: Swede | Jun 11 2023 14:23 utc | 435

What is the purpose of government?

423
Whatever it may should be, it is fast overwritten by the instinctive (and in females very strong) desire and need to control .
Freedom is for free men, to others it is just folly. Ask a liberal or a woman about freedom. She collects all the most desirable attributes she can muster (because “freedom is doubleplusgood), and soon you will realize that she is describing safety .

Posted by: Catilina | Jun 11 2023 14:26 utc | 436

Down South,
thank you very much for your excellent daily updates. Highly appreciated.

Posted by: scanalyse | Jun 11 2023 14:42 utc | 437

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 11 2023 14:06 utc | 424
so now you assume whatever Ukrainian agency investigated this is legit.
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investigated what? The story Joe Biden told was fiction.
It takes very little investigation to discover Joe Biden was not in Ukraine about to get on a plane in 6 hours when the prosecutors resignation was accepted. It is also not difficult to determine that Ukraine was not handed one billion dollars as a consequence of the termination of Shokin’s employment. There are no facts to support the story so what is there to investigate.

Posted by: jinn | Jun 11 2023 14:43 utc | 438

Piotr Berman | Jun 11 2023 13:50 utc | 421
***In bullfighting, is the bull sacrificing itself so the spectators had fun? Or it is carefully manipulated?***
In the UK, the pro-foxhunting lobby (that is, the chasing and killing of foxes by gangs of people in red coats on horses with packs of hounds) have claimed that the foxes enjoy being hunted.
But no-one ever seems to have actually asked a fox.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 11 2023 14:50 utc | 439

No, L30a1 ammo for the Challenger is two part (separate round and bagged charge), tungsten penetrator for the Leopard’s Rh-120m is a single cased round (round and charge are fitted together). I’m just curious where the crew are and why they are allowing grubby infantry into the turret.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 11 2023 8:36 utc | 357
“DU tank rounds are compatible with a variety of modern main battle tank main guns, including the 120mm smoothbore guns used on the M1A1 Abrams and the 120mm rifled guns used on the British Challenger 2.” From the armyrecognition.com link previously cited.
And the Twitter vid deliberately cuts so you cannot see the tip of the shell.
Scorched earth, methinks…

Posted by: Forgot my username | Jun 11 2023 14:51 utc | 440

Rather than examples of irrationality, why not look for examples of rationality? It is a much shorter list.
What is the purpose of government? What does the social contract say?

We probably have different concepts of “rationality” which is fine. For example, let’s take the second Iraq war: it was a clear military win (no surprise here) followed by a civil war and human catastrophe. It triggered the creation of ISIS/Daesh. Was it rational? That’s not a moral question to me. It was clearly bad for almost all of the people involved, including a lot of US Americans. Nonetheless, I think it was a rational action and the people who started it may not have gotten exactly what they wanted but they accumulated wealth and they projected power. Do you think there are people who are personally satisfied with Iraq and the development after February 2022? For such people, starting these non-won wars can be 100% rational.
I believe that the economic and political system of the US *requires* wars to function. So the task of the leadership is to pick appropriate targets. They chose, among others, Iraq and Libya. They didn’t choose Iran and North Korea although there were always voices to go ahead.
You ask for “purpose of government”: in this regard, I am an utter cynic, and my reply is that government is just a plaque on the ruling class. Voting is pointless, politicians useless, parties a distraction. It’s slightly less simple than that but mostly true, at least in the West. I see the US or British or German or … governments dutifully carrying out on task for the elite club after the other. In this sense, there is no social contract. Maybe there was before, I find it lacking now.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 11 2023 14:09 utc | 427
they never attacked Iran. what was reinstalling the Shah? if you don’t consider instigating a regime change an attack, I can’t help you. let alone the recent assassination of a general.

These are indirect attacks, like sabotage (stuxnet), sanctions, terrorism. This is not a moral issue. I am not saying the US is good, I’m just saying they shied away from full war against Iran even though there was a loud and sizeable pro-war lobby. The plans were finished and openly discussed. I am sure that someone judged the costs/risk in a war USA-Iran to be too high, in my opinion correctly so.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 11 2023 15:02 utc | 441

Posted by: natokraine | Jun 11 2023 13:14 utc | 411
Sorry, should have made myself clearer. Supporting Ukraine is now the problem, an intelligence gathering operation has been turned against the wielder (remember the leaks that Russia is harvesting real data about NATO top-spec weapons) and the conflict is casting its shadow over the US elections. If Trump wins, Obiden’s 12 years of corruption will be revealed, trillions of dollars are at stake so the DS candidate has got to win. They’ve suddenly realised Trump is the only candidate saying end the war now and that flank is exposed, as it was in 2016, when he was against the Iraq war, from the get go.
As for the game engine, even without the current Russian capabilities, Russia crushes NATO if it attacks as the Ukrainians have, charging down valleys flanked by ATGM’s, bunching in obstacle belts, driving in circles etc, etc. NATO planners are not the idiots and fools portrayed too often on forums like this, they know they’ve forced Ukraine into a death-ride and their motive is survival. They will also follow the Soviet approach, when the IDF took apart Arab trained armies, so look for lots of stories about Ukraine ignoring advice and monkey model platforms. The game’s data base for the professional version will probably be updated for its military users, using the data gleaned from the SMO, artillery fire strikes on armour are badly under-modelled for example, whilst the Javelin is far too effective.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 11 2023 13:33 utc | 417
Knew military and diplomatic personnel who played TOAW, one based in Iran fought the entire Iran/Iraq war as a custom made campaign using his unique access to some interesting databases!

Posted by: Milites | Jun 11 2023 15:09 utc | 442

Martina | Jun 11 2023 14:19 utc | 433
…so Canada is not only entering the spere of lawlessness, it’s also doing this in a particularly dumb and self-destructive way.

Posted by: grunzt | Jun 11 2023 15:13 utc | 443

Cynic @ 441
To true !
What a brave and fine group of people the anti fox hunting sabs are.
From first hand experence.
Has to be said mostly women.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 11 2023 15:45 utc | 444

@grunzt #422:

The precedent has been set long ago, when Russia’s 3 billions USD or Venezuela’s gold or Afghanistan’s money were seized and diverted, not to mentian Libya’s gold reserves that just disappeared and are unaccounted for.

It was $300 billion (approximately).

Posted by: S | Jun 11 2023 15:57 utc | 445

Why would the Ukraine sacrifice so many troops at the Leopard killing fields?
Denying the Russians the chance to capture the West’s wunderwaffen for shaming the NAFOtards is worth the lives of many thousands of Ukrainians. After all, Ukrainian lives are worthless to Americans and Europeans, so if thousands are expended to prevent Russia from grabbing a Leopard to park in front of the German embassy in Moscow, or Bradleys to park in front of the US embassy, then that is a dirt cheap price for NATO to pay.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 11 2023 16:35 utc | 446

Posted by: jinn | Jun 11 2023 1:28 utc | 293
Implausible Deniability. Biden’s been on the Mob Payroll all his political life.
CANADA TO SEIZE RUSSIAN TRANSPORT PLANE AND GIVE TO ZELENSKY ???
The Zelensky’s must have a lot of furniture to move to Miami.
That Russian plane is the only plane that is keeping a Northern Quebec Mine operational.

Posted by: kupkee | Jun 11 2023 16:38 utc | 447

Posted by: Perimetr | 419
Most people in the US “learn” about nuclear war not in classrooms, but by watching Terminator movies and sci-fi. Nuclear weapons and nuclear war stopped being discussed in US presidential elections decades ago. Consequently, both the general public and the political elites appear to have become fundamentally ignorant about the likely consequences of a nuclear war fought with strategic nuclear weapons.
Anyone advocating nuclear escalation should be tied to a chair and made to watch ‘Threads’ on repeat until they understand the futility of such an idea.
The one popular culture quote that sums it up perfectly is this – “A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.”

Posted by: Rattus | Jun 11 2023 16:54 utc | 448

George Soros hands control of multi-billion foundation to son
George Soros, 92, hands over reins of Open Society Foundations to ‘more political’ 37-year-old
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/11/alexander-soros-given-control-of-father-george-soros-multi-billion-foundation
Relevant to Ukraine and every other hell-hole created, dug or sponsored by these profoundly evil monsters.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 11 2023 17:48 utc | 449

From the Grey Zone, PMC Wagner’s telegram channel.
According to the updated data, by the second half of the day it is possible to be ESTIMATELY guided by the fact that the enemy has managed to advance in recent days at a distance of up to 6-7 kilometers. At the moment, Neskuchnoye and Blagodatnoye settlements are confidently under his control on the Vremievsky ledge. The settlement of Storozhevoye is also presumably occupied, from there the enemy pressed under the settlement of Makarovka, which is still controlled by us. On the other side of the Wet Yaly River, the enemy is conducting offensive operations against our troops located in the settlement of Urozhaynoye.

Posted by: L | Jun 11 2023 17:57 utc | 450

Biden was in ukraine late dec 2015, FACT, Shokin fired March 2016, 10 weeks later. FACT

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 11 2023 18:19 utc | 451

After new prosecutor replaced Shokin, he quietly closed the Burisma corruption case 10 months later.
Also, you already tripped on your dick twice, jinn, 1) $520M was given to Ukraine in 2016, and then in 2017 Trump was accused of withholding $390M that was promised to Ukraine. How much more was promised over how long, who knows, but that us already close to $1B
2) you claim Biden was nowhere in Ukraine in the months before or after Shokins “resignation”in March 2016, except Biden was in Ukraine in Dec 2015, as he gave a speech to the Rada!
So clearly, you read some wikipedia or fact-check dot org nonsense about the “Biden-Burisma Conspiracy theory”, swallowed it whole, and thought you could try and peddle that B.S. here… …as if.
You keep getting owned, keep coming back for more, with vacuous platitudes about nothing never happening that ate clearly false jad you spent the time to research. PS the $520M in aid to Ukraine in 2016 is from foreignassistance dot gov, official goverment website.
OWNED. Dont even bother replying, i wont read it, you have wasted enough of everyone’s time with your flat earth nothing is real denialism.

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 11 2023 18:39 utc | 452

S | Jun 11 2023 15:57 utc | 447
Thanks for correcting, 300 billion instead of 3 billion.
kupkee | Jun 11 2023 16:38 utc | 449
Passerby | Jun 11 2023 5:17 utc | 324
Martina | Jun 11 2023 14:19 utc | 433
Russian plane to be confiscated in Canada ??
I’m still hoping it isn’t true. RT has not covered it. Has a final decision been made yet? How do we know about the story?

Posted by: grunzt | Jun 11 2023 18:46 utc | 453

Posted by: jinn | Jun 11 2023 0:31 utc | 275
Well aren’t you special? And isn’t it a little ironic that it’s you who gets facts wrong when purporting to correct mine? Did you read the article’s date by any chance? Or follow up by clicking through to all the hyperlinks and subsequent stories?
Here, let me try again so that you can come back with legitimate criticisms, if any exist.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/06/09/where-do-you-get-your-ukraine-news/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2023 20:24 utc | 454

Posted by: jinn | Jun 11 2023 13:04 utc | 406 and your previous reply:
When did I or anyone else say that Biden was *in* Ukraine? Straw man much?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2023 20:26 utc | 455

Dont even bother replying, i wont read it, you have wasted enough of everyone’s time with your flat earth nothing is real denialism.
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 11 2023 18:39 utc | 454
Thanks for that post, but I disagree with the last part. Let’s see what this propagandist concern troll jinn has to say in response.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2023 20:27 utc | 456

A minor additional point. I had not read U W Dude’s comment in reply to jinn prior to my penultimate post. Hence, prior to that, with regard to the very first comment I made on the topic of the Bidens and Ukraine, nothing that I wrote or was contained in the Consortium News article below said anything about Joe Biden being physically present in Ukraine.
https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/26/what-isnt-mentioned-about-the-trump-ukraine-scandal-the-routine-corruption-of-us-foreign-policy/
As U W Dude has pointed out, however, apparently he *was* in Ukraine at various points in the past.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2023 20:34 utc | 457

@ grunzt | Jun 11 2023 18:46 utc | 455
read this – i posted it on the previous open ukraine thread..
Government of Canada orders seizure of Russian-registered cargo aircraft at Toronto Pearson Airport

Posted by: james | Jun 11 2023 21:15 utc | 458

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2023 20:26 utc | 457
When did I or anyone else say that Biden was *in* Ukraine?
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I don’t recall saying that you said anything about Biden in Ukraine.
But
Joe Biden claimed he was in Ukraine and Joe claimed if Poreshenko didn’t fire the prosecutor before he left on a plane in 6 hours they weren’t getting one billion dollars. The only part of that story that may be true is that Joe Biden has been to Ukraine. But there is no evidence he had anything to do with Shokin’s leaving office 5 months after he was there or that 1 billion dollars was withheld until Shokin was fired. Joe was in Ukraine in Dec. 2015 to announce an upcoming 500 million aid package to Ukraine. There is no evidence any of that money was ever withheld or delayed.
My claim is that Joe Biden’s story is a complete fabrication. It never happened. Joe lied to the Council on Foreign Relations because that was a lie Joe knew those people would love to hear. Apparently there are some MOA readers who like that lie very much also and they don’t like any pesky facts to cast doubt on the veracity of Joe’s story.

Posted by: jinn | Jun 11 2023 22:02 utc | 459

Incredibly sad that NATO uses the Ukrainians to do it’s dirty work. They are cowards of the lowest order.
Z is a puppet who will run away when the war ends. What’s left of Ukraine will be a basket case for many years with its productive manpower largely destroyed. They do not have the work ethic and technical skills of the Germans post WW2 to fall back on.
History has a way of paying the puppeteers back for their evil. May they rot in pieces.

Posted by: dnomsed | Jun 12 2023 1:46 utc | 460

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 11 2023 6:04 utc | 329
Don’t be sorry, anything along those lines you do produce will be a gift, not an obligation. 🙂

Posted by: Ingolf Eide | Jun 12 2023 3:53 utc | 461

Sure. At question is, “can they find a bagholder”?
Posted by: too scents | Jun 10 2023 14:06 utc | 8
The bagholder will be the Big Guy who doesn’t even get to pick, and then forgets, the pudding he gets on Thursday.

Posted by: RiNS | Jun 12 2023 9:45 utc | 462

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Posted by: Sentient | Jun 10 2023 15:03 utc | 42
Michael Rubin, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, just proposed giving the Ukraine tactical nukes (as a “deterrent”). I’d post his tweet, but Twitter is slow.
So much for not worry about things going nuclear. The US is run by madmen. (I include Nuland.)
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Wow!!! What a completely stupid and dangerous man. Writing at the AEI, he has some kind of influence or other, and he’s openly advocating for nuclear brinksmanship with Russia. We are in deadly straits indeed. I wish that MASS-destruction advocate, in order to protect the rest of the world from his evil imagination, would go home and put a gun into his mouth. A better alternative, of course, would for him to resign his position and just go home, but, somehow, shut up! Please, AEI, use some sense. Fire his behind, or close your doors.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 12 2023 10:03 utc | 463

Hello. In french, but you will understand even with the pictures only…. https://reseauinternational.net/destruction-de-sa-troisieme-armee-questions-a-negocier/

Posted by: newchiche | Jun 12 2023 17:40 utc | 464

Posted by: Ingolf Eide | Jun 11 2023 3:58 utc | 317
thanks. I’ve downloaded it. Glad to have it. Good job.

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 12 2023 19:49 utc | 465

Point of clarification
Russian Peacekeepers were invited by the internationally recognized republics of DPR/LPR ( UNSCR 2202) to prevent the ethnic cleansing of 10 million people.
Posted by: Exile | Jun 11 2023 7:18 utc | 337
That’s excellent. I downloaded the resolution. Even the extract on the webpage is enough. Very important document I think. I’ll push it around where I can, paste it up.

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 12 2023 20:01 utc | 466