Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 10, 2023
“Let’s Try This Again!”

Yesterday I posted a picture of a Leopard 2A6 tank, 4 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, and a Soviet era mine clearing vehicle all caught up next to each other in a minefield. There is now also better video of that scene as well as others.


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For unknown reasons the Ukrainian command later decided to add five more Bradleys to the scrap exposition:

Military Advisor @miladvisor – 18:06 UTC · Jun 9, 2023

⚡️👇9x 🇺🇸M2 Bradley,🇩🇪Leopard 2A6, armoured recovery vehicle lost by Ukrainian forces.
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It is the same Leopard tank in the same position. I believe that the ‘armoured recovery vehicle’ @miladvisor mentions is an incorrect identification of the mine clearing vehicle that can also be seen in the previous picture.

All of those vehicles seem to have some mobility damage, i.e. they lost a track or two due to mine explosions. One of the added Bradleys seems to be on fire. Then its neighboring Bradley decides to also burn and explodes.


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Someone had sent half a company into a minefield where it was damaged and stopped. He then sent the second half of the company to the same place where it met the same fate.

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” (No, that is not an Einstein quote.)

Here is a first person view video from the Ukrainian side of what, I believe, is another group of four Bradleys in a minefield. Finally someone throws smoke grenades so some of the soldiers involved can be evacuated.

Simplicitus tries to put some rationality cover over the Ukrainian decision to attack the strongest defense position of the Russian forces:

This is all to say that Ukraine has almost no time left to make a big splash. They have no option apart from gaining one final big flashy triumph they can hail as a victory to be sold to their souring Western audience, whose support is slowly drying up, and who’s getting ready to throw in the towel.

And the only way for Ukraine to get such a huge and relatively ‘fast’ triumph is by severing the Crimean landbridge. It’s the only objective in the entire conflict where Ukraine can deal one big deathblow to Russia’s jugular in a very proportionately small amount of moves. No other possible combination of captures or assaults in Donbass can have such an effect.

I find that hard to accept. One attacks where one has the highest chance of success, not where some foreign political calender tells one to go. How that is then (over-)sold to the ‘western’ public is a completely different question.

Throughout the last night the 47th brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces tried to attack the Russian lines.The 47th is supposed to be elite, as it was trained and armed by NATO countries.

Two columns of the brigade were hit and stopped before they could reach the line of contact. What was then left to attack failed to break through.

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If we agree that Russia is winning the war in Ukrainian and prepared for anything NATO can throw at them then why do you assume that NATO/etc. will do precisely that?
Posted by: Konami | Jun 10 2023 16:13 utc | 76
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When has the West ever been rational during the 21st century?
Never underestimate people who have a lot of power but very little skin in the game. Lack of emotional control, childhood trauma, insecurity, petty hatred, all play a part.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2023 17:28 utc | 101

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 10 2023 17:22 utc | 98
Nato Vilnius Summit is actually July 11 and Defender 2023 June 11th (i.e. tommorrow) so not at least same time.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 10 2023 17:30 utc | 102

Should NATO choose to join the conflict, this would be the time, as NATO could (attempt to) provide air support for a massive Ukrainian attack.
Air Defender 23 has been planned for 4 years, according to DW. The video at that link says 250 aircraft will participate, also mentions that 100 F-16s from the US will fly, and also F-35s are “standing ready nearby”, I suppose at Ramstein.

Others have pointed out that the distance they would need to cover is beyond reasonable, would require refueling over Poland, etc. Then, there is a the little problem that Russia has air superiority now over most of Ukraine, and in the frontline areas probably supremacy, combined with AD that would turn those planes into the road-runners’ roadkill.
Western countries have not been prepared for news of massive deaths of pilots and loss of aircraft. All we’ve gotten is happy talk that Ukraine is “winning.”

Having all the NATO members at the summit will allow them to OK NATO participation in the Ukraine war should a false flag or an air war with Russia begin.

Go back and re-read what you just wrote. Sending NATO-piloted jets into Russian territory (which is what Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donbass and Luhansk are, would be the definition of starting an air war with Russia. No need to call it a false flag.
Are western military leaders (not politicians) prepared to take such insane risks?
I give it a non-zero but very low probability.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 10 2023 17:32 utc | 103

@ 7
point on the Leopard doll where Putin touched you…..

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Jun 10 2023 17:34 utc | 104

by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 10 2023 14:40 utc | 29
Remember when competence and intelligence was a prerequisite for government? Neither do I.

Look at the other side of the globe, a supposedly ‘non-democracy’ in which people who get political power are selected for their competence and intelligence, not for their popularity with the incompetent and unintelligent majority. If you focus on ‘democracies’ you’ll never see a case of competent intelligent government.

Sullivan, Nuland and the rest should face a war crimes tribunal, as a start.

Agreed, assuming you’re including Biden and Blinken in “the rest”. But it won’t happen. Relevant to that and the original post by b, General Robert E. Lee ordered General Longstreet to order Pickett to order his men to charge. Those men were slaughtered for nothing. History has repeated itself. I’ve never heard anything about Jefferson Davis, Lee, Longstreet, or Pickett ever being arrested and prosecuted for it. You’ll never see any of the ones responsible for all of these current deaths, named above, arrested for it, let alone hanged for it.

Posted by: Dalit | Jun 10 2023 17:36 utc | 105

So, 10 leopards were destroyed without firing a single shot.
Xi, MBS, Modi, Assad, Erdogan, and Lula must be in a virtual chat room laughing their asses off!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 10 2023 17:38 utc | 106

Where is Zaluzhny anyway?
Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 10 2023 14:50 utc | 38
Last year I remember an analyst saying that Zaluzhny, who was iirc educated and trained by the Russian system, was one of the few people the RU could work with to find a solution to this horrific situation. I have not heard anyone mention this since his disappearance from public view. I recall reading Zaluzhny opposed stoopid directions from the comedian-in-chief, now a tragic actor, and so he was probably taken “off-line” — out of position, or removed himself from the war theatre due to having a moral conscience.

Posted by: suzan | Jun 10 2023 17:40 utc | 107

re: unimperator | Jun 10 2023 17:30 utc | 103
Thanks for correcting my mistake. Apologies, I guess I need more coffee today.
I agree with La Bastille | Jun 10 2023 17:24 utc | 100
This would be the time to deploy Polish troops to Western Ukraine.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 10 2023 17:46 utc | 108

@ Posted by: Konami | Jun 10 2023 16:13 utc | 76

Why do you assume everybody here is pro-Russian?..
I try to understand the psychology of someone who’s pro-Russian (the majority in this forum, in my opinion) but convinced that NATO/Poland/USA will attack Russia. If we agree that Russia is winning the war in Ukrainian and prepared for anything NATO can throw at them then why do you assume that NATO/etc. will do precisely that?..

My answer to your above question is as follows below -pls. think about that – as one of the German guys have posted here:
The so-called SMO activities have now changed into a “Anti-Terror-Attacks” operations, because the “WEST/NATO-Enhanced” power (AD/Satellite/RadiationLocksOnGround) and the poorly supported UAF vehicles is weak on all “Stormimg Fronts” today.
Pls. consider – the result of last 2 days losses on UAF:
Of course, RF has left also a certein amount of tanks + persons (approx. a third of the UAF losses, so far ‘known’) ..
Makes no sense – Mister US-President Demense-ill Mr. ‘Biden’ (pls. ook at Your son HUNTER Biden!)
I’m not optimistic, the “new UAF Offensive” could be counter-striked by RF.
The “First” of UAF was a test, who many slave-soldiers may be sent to a deadly Greyzone.
The next (the 4rth – and hoefully latest Offensive gen South) state will decide, “what’s gining on”.
Gruss an alle MoAs.

Posted by: spare-truth | Jun 10 2023 17:52 utc | 109

🔥 Territory instead of inhabitants.
Colleagues write about the tactics of the General Staff, in which they decided to shift the focus from taken settlements to promotion.
We decided to collect some information from official bodies and it turned out that since the beginning of the counteroffensive near Bakhmut, we should already advance beyond Berekhovka and Kleshcheevka, and the mileage has long exceeded 7-8 km‼️
12 May
Deputy Defense Minister Anna Malyar reports in her telegram channel that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have moved two kilometers forward in the Bakhmut direction.
May 13-14
The defense forces advanced on the flanks of Bakhmut from 350 meters to 2 kilometers in some places. Serhiy Cherevaty, speaker of the Eastern Group of Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, spoke about this on the air of the telethon.
May 18
Over the past day, the Armed Forces of Ukraine advanced another 150-1700 meters near Bakhmut in different areas, said the speaker of the Eastern Group of Forces Sergei Cherevaty on the air of the telethon.
22nd of May
The Armed Forces of Ukraine on the flanks of Bakhmut moved forward by 200-400 meters. This was announced by the speaker of the Eastern Group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Serhiy Cherevaty on the air of the telethon.
June 1st
The Armed Forces of Ukraine suspended the advance on the flanks in the Bakhmut direction, Commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Alexander Syrsky said in a comment to reporters.
June 5
Deputy Defense Minister Anna Malyar reports that the troops of the Khortytsya Operational-Strategic Group of Forces are advancing on the flanks in Bakhmut. According to her, the Armed Forces of Ukraine advanced in the area of ​​the villages: Orekhovo-Vasilievka, Praskovievka – by 200-1600 m (this is north of Bakhmut), Ivanovskoye, Klescheevka – by 100-700 m (this is south-west of Bakhmut).
June 10th
According to the speaker of the Eastern Group, Sergei Cherevaty, over the past day, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Bakhmut region have moved forward, in some areas – up to 1,400 meters.
Only now, we look at the map and it turns out that the results are much more modest, and we just went deeper by 700-800 m, and most of the territories are a gray zone in the fields.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18219

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 17:53 utc | 110

Our source in the OP said that the General Staff, together with MI-6, is trying to revive the operation to storm the Zaporizhzhya NPP, which was the number 1 goal in the Azov battle. Reserves on the right bank of the Dnieper remain without movement, pending an updated plan. When modeling scenarios for a new landing operation, 70% of the APU units die on the way to the left bank of the Dnieper, due to the shallowing of the reservoir, they are forced to walk 2-3 km on wet sand, which makes them an excellent target for the enemy.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18218

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 17:55 utc | 111

Our OP source said that Zelensky suggested that Johnson join Yermak’s international lobbying group, which is looking for weapons for Ukraine and pushing for sanctions against Russia. Bankova highly appreciates the contribution of the ex-prime minister of Britain and wants to use it for an international track.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18216

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 17:56 utc | 112

Pagan @30:

So, it is easier to believe that Ukrainians are just stupid lemmings than that they are directed to act in this way by someone who could not care less about casualties and destruction as long as some, even minimal, damage can be inflicted on Russia?

What is the difference?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 10 2023 17:57 utc | 113

A month of the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and a distance of 3 km, from Krasnoye to Kleshcheevka and from Bogdanovka to Berekhovy, we could not pass, which indicates the manipulations of the General Staff, which every day gives figures of 600m or 900m of advance on the flanks of Bakhmut.
Today we decided to declare that we were able to take 1.5 km, but just look at the map and ask, where is this happening? Exactly a month of counteroffensive, and Syrsky could not even take a village of 70 houses! If you look at the operation of the Russian army in February, they captured one settlement a week, while actively advancing in Bakhmut itself!.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18215

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 17:57 utc | 114

@106
similar charges against relatively strong union positions took place at the seven days against macclellan, and at second bull run, as well as a phase at Antietam.
marse lee probably saw a better than even chance to break the center, and stuart cavalry was on the field…
Union artillery was not suppressed by confederate fires, which may have been critical..
the battle for the round tops, and peach orchard on 2 july were too late in day and union had time to get troops on little round top.
late disposition, and limited intel, affected both sides
artillery shells was a limit for lee

Posted by: paddy | Jun 10 2023 17:58 utc | 115

Our source in the OP said that the British forbade the Armed Forces of Ukraine to change their tanks in the first stage of the counteroffensive. The West continues to limit the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, telling us where and how we can use their equipment.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18208

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 17:59 utc | 116

The counteroffensive of Ukraine expected by the West has led to significant losses of military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In particular, Bloomberg writes about this.
“According to a European official, it remains unclear whether the Ukrainian operations are the spearhead of the main attack or an attempt to identify weaknesses in the Russian defense. Ukrainian forces made some progress in the south this week, but the loss of equipment was also significant,” the official told Bloomberg on the terms anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter.
The publication also cites a statement by the Washington-based Analytical Center, which emphasizes that at the initial stage, Ukrainian losses may be the largest.
It should be noted that videos with knocked out foreign military equipment in the Zaporozhye direction continue to appear on social networks. Western media also write about significant losses of APU equipment.
Thus, BILD military observer Yulian Repke reported that the Ukrainian Armed Forces during their first strikes in the Zaporozhye direction lost two Leopard 2 tanks and 13 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles in one day. According to him, the destruction of a column of Western equipment of the 47th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine took place 3.5 km south of the village of Malaya Tokmachka. “One thing is clear: an offensive in this sector of the front will result in losses for the Ukrainian army. Even the most modern battle tanks in their arsenal — the German Leopard 2A6 and the British Challenger 2 — are not invulnerable,” BILD columnist Björn Stritzel emphasizes in turn.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18207

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 18:01 utc | 117

Colleagues, your insider is almost correct. Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny leads, but only formally, all the same, the whole process is pulled over by ZeYermak and the Office of the President.
All decisions of Zaluzhny are ignored, Zelensky considers him a political competitor. The reason is that Zaluzhny is supported by the Western military lobby. This is a huge risk for Zelensky’s future.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15577

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 18:03 utc | 118

Our source reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine received a defeat in an attempt to attack in the Zaporozhye region due to the fact that they were not covered by aviation.
It was with aviation that the Russians inflicted enormous damage on the Ukrainian convoy, which, in a panic, then began to disperse and explode on mines.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15578

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 18:04 utc | 119

The Western press is forming a narrative that defeat during the onset of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will affect Biden’s rating as the main lobbyist and sponsor of the Ukrainian crisis. After the defeat of the APU, the support of the Ze-Office will be reduced.
This is a message for Zelensky that he has no other chance than to throw all his forces into the attack, staging a real bloody massacre, which will definitely be hundreds of thousands of casualties in personnel.
A mini offensive and a minimal result will not suit Western sponsors.
According to our sources, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should take Vasilievka and Tokmak as a minimum.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15579

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 18:06 utc | 120

Many report that in Odessa it was the air defense that struck, and not the fallen kamikaze UAV. It was filmed by Odessans.
Also on the house, near which the air defense missile fell, all the walls were slashed with striking small particles (a characteristic sign of air defense).
There were many such tragedies in other cities of Ukraine. Then the authorities always said that the Russians were shelling cities with S-300 missiles. Such a message was invented due to the fact that the S-300 missiles handed over to the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the warehouses of the former Soviet republics were old and often went astray, falling on residential buildings.
We add that it is very difficult to get into a kamikaze because of its small size. Sometimes air defense missiles simply fly past the target, although the radars perfectly see the martyr on the screen. Flying by, they should explode, but due to the low altitude and sometimes a glitch, this did not happen, which led to tragedies.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15589

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 18:08 utc | 121

The Kakhovka reservoir turns purely into a “desert – estuary.”
The water went down considerably in three days.
The first video is the first day after the dam burst. The second video is the second day. The third video is now.
In fact, the reservoir turns into a small river, which is of course beneficial to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Russians will have to build and strengthen defenses at a considerable distance, saturate it with equipment and weapons.
A similar scenario is being implemented by the Office of the President together with the Main Intelligence Directorate in the border regions of the Russian Federation in order to stretch the forces of the Russian Federation. They arrange constant shelling and DRG invasion with the capture of towns / villages.
Another fact to whom it was beneficial to blow up the dam.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15591

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 18:09 utc | 122

Kakhovskaya hydropower plant collapse: what is known by the end of June 10
▪️It is the fourth day since the destruction of the Kakhovka hydropower plant. The situation in the region remains difficult, but is already relatively more under control.
In Aleshki the water level has dropped by two metres, in Goloy Pristan – by one. In Novaya Kahovka the water is almost gone and the authorities have already started to clean the streets. Most of the settlements are supplied with electricity.
RusHydro believes that the Dnieper will return to its normal course below the destroyed hydroelectric plant by June 16.
▪️ More than six thousand people have already been evacuated from the flooded area. The Russian Ministry for Emergency Situations, Russian soldiers and volunteers from various public associations are taking part in the rescue work.
Almost two thousand people have been relocated to temporary accommodation centres.
▪️ According to the latest estimates, damage from the destruction of the dam at the hydropower plant amounted to about 11.5 billion rubles. Over 60% of the Kakhovka reservoir has already been drained.
▪️Meanwhile, authorities have set up a special commission to deal with the consequences of the flooding, to be headed by Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin.
Head of the Russian Ministry of Health
Mikhail Murashko said that there were no problems with the delivery of medicines to Kherson oblast.
▪ Residents of Zaporozhye Region have published a video showing that part of the Dnieper River has shallowed and dried up. In the future this may threaten the deterioration of ecological situation in the region.
▪ At the same time, the disaster that befell the residents of Kherson Oblast was not a barrier to continued shelling by the Ukrainian armed forces – today the enemy struck on the south of the region, where the victims’ accommodation facilities are located

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/50246

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2023 18:11 utc | 123

I didn’t realise the depth of the contempt MBS feels for Blinken and his cronies until I saw this picture of their meeting a couple of days ago. See if you can spot why? It took me a few moments, I will admit.
Posted by: Oh | Jun 10 2023 14:45 utc | 33
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/06/wow-whats-missing.html
Posted by: Oh | Jun 10 2023 14:46 utc | 34
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When was the last time Saudi Arabia, or almost any moderation nation, failed to provide colors (a US flag) for a high-ranking dignitary? Man, what a kick in the ass that must have been for Blinken and Biden.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 10 2023 18:11 utc | 124

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 10 2023 17:24 utc | 100
I’m sorry. While any crazy sh** is possible in this world I just find the notion of NATO doing *anything* without air superiority (supremacy even) absurd.
And any attempt by NATO to *enforce* a no-fly zone over Ukraine in order to establish said air superiority would look like a full-scale attack on Russia.
At that point the old M.A.D protocols get pulled out of the USSR archives and activated …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 10 2023 18:12 utc | 125

Posted by: Paco | Jun 10 2023 16:51 utc | 84
Here here ! Very nicely put paco !
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 10 2023 16:41 utc | 82
I think Dima has to walk a fine line being based in Belarus but being on Youtube who might ban him at any time . He was using the term reconnaissance in force or whatever , I think to appease the overlords but read between the lines and you will see he knows what is going on,

Posted by: Bartholomew Cubbins | Jun 10 2023 18:14 utc | 126

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2023 15:19 utc | 50
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau arrives in Kiev on an unannounced visit . . .The Canadian prime minister intends to meet Zelensky during his visit.
He is there to tell Zelensky to try again…

For those who do not follow Canadian politics (includes 95% of Canadians) Trudeau faces significant domestic problems and his trip to the UkroReich is an attempt to alter the domestic political narrative.
The back story is that members of Canada’s intelligence service(CSIS) released information detailing foreign state influence on Canadian elections. This created a furore. Trudeau’s response was to appoint a close family friend to investigate and report.
The majority of Canada’s parliament voted three times (3 times!) for Trudeau’s friend to recuse himself and for the government to open a Royal Commission of Enquiry which would be led by a senior Judge and have legal independence from the Trudeau government.
The friend did not recuse himself and gave his opinion that his reporting on his cottage and ski trip buddy would be totally objective and highly satisfactory.
Evidence has since emerged that the Trudeau government benefited from the foreign interference i.e. Trudeau may have lost the last election were it not for the fact of foreign interference. The foreign state also made a $100K+ contribution to the “Trudeau Foundation.”
When the friend of the family was subject to grilling by a parliamentary committee, he revealed that in his exhaustive review of these events he was totally unaware that CSIS had spoken directly to the leader of the opposition to appraise him of the foreign interference acting against both him and his party. The friend of the family was totally unaware of this CSIS intervention thereby revealing the material evidence provided to him by his ski and cottage country buddy was incomplete – the government had withheld evidence and shaped the outcome of the review in its favour.
Subsequent to these embarrassing revelations the ski and cottage country buddy has resigned, Parliament still demands a full legal enquiry, and it is highly likely this will disclose improprieties (a euphemism for possible criminal behaviour) on the part of Trudeau and his government.
It is therefore believed Trudeau is in Kiev not to lecture Z but to learn from Z about his wardrobe choices and Z’s management of global public opinion, a skill Trudeau now desperately needs.
This post may appear off topic but I think it important to note it describes the form of “western democracy” which is supposedly being “defended” by the UkroReich. If you want to know the future outcome The Age of Revolution: Europe 1789–1848 by Hobsbawm is recommended.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 10 2023 18:16 utc | 127

Posted by: Mike R | Jun 10 2023 17:13 utc | 93
«coming to grips with the criminality of US foreign policy. If you read and study US foreign actions, a picture emerges that is ugly.»
USA policy is beneficial to a large minority (in resource-poor developed countries): upper-middle class professionals and managers and small and large business owners and executives, and real estate owners.
The deal the USA offers to these categories is simple:
* You give us control of your foreign and military policy, and let our corporations exploit your lower classes in partnership with you.
* In exchange we protect you against local and foreign “socialism”, we give you some access to our internal market and to the raw material countries we control, and we don’t regime-change you or push your neighbours to attack you.
Most of the upper-middle and upper-classes of many european states have taken up the offer quite happily, including those those of Ukraine, and even a large part of the russian ones in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
For them it is a pretty good deal: they care far more about making money and being safe from “socialism” than about metaphysical concepts like independence.

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 10 2023 18:20 utc | 128

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Jun 10 2023 15:45 utc | 60
A better idea – cut out the proxy forces:
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin vs Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
A three round no-holds barred cage match.
Sell tickets with the proceeds to go to the families of those killed by snipers in the “Fuck the EU” coup.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 10 2023 18:26 utc | 129

At some point the best prophylaxis against final NATO escalation into direct conflict would be a statement from China to the effect that if NATO attacks Russian forces, China will throw its support behind Russia.
This will at least end the illusion in Europe that they can somehow outlast Russia, making the enlistment of EU/NATO forces as the next proxies a much harder sell.
Posted by: Paul Damascene | Jun 10 2023 15:26 utc | 53
Yes. That’s how I see it. China holds the keys. It is very noticeable that they do nothing. But watch.
Because of this it is really all on them. The Americans are lunatics, we can excuse them on the grounds of ill health.
The NATO lackeys are braindead frightened peons. We can almost excuse them on similar grounds.
But China is in good health and in cold blood stays its hand.
And again, the thing missing in all of this is the people.
The people of China are not ‘staying their hand’.
The NATO people are not consciously supporting this insanity – only unconsciously.
The American people are not lunatics – only sleepwalkers.
The fates of the peoples of the world are decided in each nation by handfuls and allowed by the apathy of the masses.
An apathy so widespread and deep and ‘normal’ that it is everywhere customary to discuss the future of the world even to the extent of hypothesized armageddon wholly in terms of the interactions between these tiny groups and completely, utterly, discounting the people of the world.
Except sometimes as now when some attention and import is given to the possibility of them effecting a change of govt. but that same effect is minimal for the same cabals are really still in power and all goes on as before. The change is merely cosmetic.
I reckon that’s our problem: the people are missing. We are responsible for it all. For we in our apathy let these lunatic cripple monsters direct our affairs.
And when they get monstrous enough to direct that we turn on each other and murder millions of our own selves: we do it.
And then stand there, blood dripping from our knives, looking around for someone to blame.

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 10 2023 18:28 utc | 130

Haven’t we missed the best? Boris Johnson, the rat in chief who persuaded the gullible imbecile Zelenskyy to reject the Istanbul peace accords has resig ned and is leaving public life. If THAT is not proof that NATO will throw Ukraine under the bus,I am a monkey’s uncle.

Posted by: Stierlitz | Jun 10 2023 18:37 utc | 131

kudos to b for recognizing that Einstein never said “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”
Tis a trivial point but the original quote came from Narcotics Anonymous, and, as custom, in that group, authors are, well anonymous. Also, who wants to even identify, even in the slightest manner, with a group of “drug addicts”.
I have no idea how this quote became associated with Einstein. But I do recall reading an essay by Einstein 5 decades ago about solving difficult problems. In one paragraph he explained that he noticed in himself that when trying to solve a difficult problem, a differential equation if I recall, he ended up at a dead end, (i.e. logically impossible solution) and went back and tried again. But then ended up at the same paradox. Multiple times.
Einstein’s essay was easy to remember because I was attempting to solve a differential equation (part of my Ph D thesis at the time) and was going through the same cycle.
In any case, he never described this process as insanity but as a natural mental process, and potential pitfall, of following established pathways.

Posted by: Toivos | Jun 10 2023 18:38 utc | 132

This isn’t from better satellites, something like this is impossible w/o insider intelligence. Amounting strikes like this and the growing successful strikes at ammo and equipment dumps are a sign of insiders helping the Russians, they were always there but something now is giving them hope and courage to act, and a sign that the Ukraine Nazi state is failing apart and of the growing hatred towards it. It just required patience, something the Russians govt. had. Glad sane people are running things there and not fidgety worrywarts like me.
Important! Yesterday at 21.00 a meeting was held for the commanders of units of the 10th Special Guards Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the building of the Lyceum Rai-Aleksandrovka. At 21.15 we launched a missile attack, as a result of which 9 officers were killed and 7 officers were injured of varying severity. https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/33235

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 10 2023 18:43 utc | 133

According to Stephen Bryen at AT, Ukraine is ‘ready for negotiations and a peace agreement’.
https://asiatimes.com/2023/06/big-development-in-ukraine/
However, Reznikov qualified his offer with ‘if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the special military operation’.
I’m not sure what that would mean, but the goals of demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine have largely been accomplished; when the ‘foreign legions’ disband and the ad hoc conscripts grabbed off the streets are allowed to go home, you could probably parade the Ukrainian Army in a 7-11 parking lot. Similarly, I can’t imagine even Ukraine would have the cheek to demand Russia let it join NATO in exchange for a ‘peace agreement’.
What goals of the SMO are now a red line for negotiations? And how could negotiations now, after repeated insistence from NATO bigwig hammerheads that ‘this war must be won on the battlefield’, be seen as anything other than NATO humiliation?

Posted by: Mark | Jun 10 2023 18:44 utc | 134

It’s the shovels, the Russians have the best shovels. But SHHHHH….it’s a secret…..

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Jun 10 2023 18:47 utc | 135

About NATO Defender 23 campaign, our governments should remind the 1983 Archer exercise.
https://www.livescience.com/able-archer.
At that time there was a Cold War between West an USSR, but no open war on Eastern Europe, although the downing of a Korean civil liner by a Russian fighter in Far East had increased the tensions between the blocks to dangerous levels. This Archer exercise “inadvertently” caused the Russian to believe a real threat was coming and put all the nuclear defense on maximum alert.
NATO Defender 23 exercise will be carried out not only in a new Cold War but in the vicinity of an open war between Ukraine the West and Russia on European territory. I really hope that the West will not play mad, because I’m sure Russia will again put its nuclear forces on high alert.

Posted by: scc | Jun 10 2023 18:48 utc | 136

My summation that the Ukies were set up for failure seems to be holding true as they were never provided with the means required to even have a chance.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2023 17:12 utc | 91
Yes but: the counter offensive has provided narrative content (fodder) for six months and counting. AND It aint over yet. This thing is on a slow clock….the longer it goes on the better – providing cover for the political and economic turmoil needed to Usher in their Brave New World.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 10 2023 18:50 utc | 137

“So, it is easier to believe that Ukrainians are just stupid lemmings than that they are directed to act in this way by someone who could not care less about casualties and destruction as long as some, even minimal, damage can be inflicted on Russia?”
What is the difference?
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 10 2023 17:57 utc | 114
The difference is whether Ukrainians have any agency in formulating war strategy or not. If the strategy and most tactical decisions are made by people (foreign or not) who do not care about casualties, the soldiers can obey and do what they are told, or risk being shot on the spot. Some are true believers, whether they are nationalists or brainwashed zealots, but most are pressed into service and must do what they are ordered to do.

Posted by: Pagan | Jun 10 2023 18:50 utc | 138

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 10 2023 18:20 utc | 129

Most of the upper-middle and upper-classes of many european states have taken up the offer quite happily, including those those of Ukraine, and even a large part of the russian ones in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

For them it is a pretty good deal: they care far more about making money and being safe from “socialism” than about metaphysical concepts like independence.

But, You may not forget that..
– there is in Russia not only a so-called “Middle & Upper Class”.
There also are very ‘poor-style’ living people.
Are You of the “Middle & Upper Class”, just living elsewhere outside The Russian Federation State ?
You won’t get any supportings (Passport, etc.), if not yet have married with an “Inside-Wife”, or being a diplomat, or a specially required science/IT engineer ..
That’s a fact in all countries round the world (China, Japan, India, Korea, USA, Canada, EU-States).
Of cource, all have made “A pretty good deal” as you mentioned (esp. (Biden/Hunter), Mr. Zilitzkik-PianoCockPlayer and his NAZI-Guys, etc.) – but ..
No one of those “Persons” can be sure forever living abroad, when once have been killed by foreign Snipers or the CIA-Guys itself !
That’s the truth, to be proven after 5 yxears of UKR “Conflict”.
All best to Tucker C. and others to stay on own minds ..

Posted by: spare-truth | Jun 10 2023 18:50 utc | 139

Thierry Meyssan:
In six days, the Western weapons amassed by the Ukrainian army were virtually all destroyed (ammunition, tanks and aircraft). The human toll exacted by Ukraine’s catastrophic counter-offensive is beyond counting.
The Ukrainian army crumbled along the first line of Russian defense and could not make it to the second, despite seven successive waves to penetrate them, the last one being on the night of 9-10 June.
The leaders of the Atlantic Alliance and those of the Ukrainian armies are accusing each other for this inglorious debacle.
Western arrogance has been vanquished.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article219455.html

Posted by: Mario | Jun 10 2023 18:57 utc | 140

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 10 2023 18:43 utc | 134
Russia is playing a classic game of threat escalation, that is designed to confront an opponent with so many different threats, from so many different axes that it induces organisational paralysis. Combined arms warfare not only works by exploiting the natural synergies between combat arms, it also means an opponent’s command structure has to deal with multiple threats from multiples axes. Another reason why breaching operations in an environment where your opponent has the traditional triad+CAS, whilst being inferior or deficient yourself, is literally a self-defeating exercise.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 10 2023 18:57 utc | 141

So basically it sounds like f16s are a done deal now. I guess that’s the ww3 condition Biden named earlier, that sending tanks and planes that’s called ww3.
Now of course he isn’t to be trusted, but he’s slipping and says things out loud he shouldn’t. It sure seems like f16s is everywhere in the news as well as a lack of air cover. I’m going to guess these dead probing attacks will be the fuel to convince people sending in f16s(and f35) to cover the Ukrainian army is a good idea. Clearly ukraine has 90 percent or more of its reserves uncommitted and nato certainly doesn’t want these pseudo Russians to keep these nice things.
This would be a most interesting development. It’s possible that the f35s may very well be able to strike with impunity. Seems like Israel’s f35s are performing well. F16s could hang back with air to air missles to keep russian planes away.
Had an s400 even been fired? I know the su57s has fired some good aam, but the s400 or even s500 seems to be missing.
Time to put the cards on the table.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jun 10 2023 19:00 utc | 142

Nato learned in Ukraine’s first attack that large formations run out of fuel and ammunition miles from anywhere. They now copy the Russian way even though they tried to make fun of them.
“Russian’s are stupid without a good cental command”…turns out trying to handle 1000 miles and 90+ attacks with one guy calling all the shots is impossible.
Russia who’s entire army was built around artillery and small drone recon..”just does not understand modern technology”. Lol
Nato was so far behind in modern battlefield tactics it insane

Posted by: OohCanada | Jun 10 2023 19:07 utc | 143

Arch Bungle | Jun 10 2023 18:12 utc | 126
Not a no-fly zone.
Just air support to buffer zone west of Dniepr.
Kind of DMZ for the next 50 years.
And no more Oil, Gas or…. Belt & Road
Poland (NATO) nearly cuting Earthland .
Turkyie could be the new Österreich.

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 10 2023 19:08 utc | 144

UK DU shells stockpile was blown up at Khmelnitsky (Ukraine) in the early hours of May 13, it has led to a huge spike in Europe and Western Europe of radiation levels, which are being covered up by IAEA.
https://johnhelmer.org/the-british-gift-that-keeps-on-giving-uranium-irradiated-wind-and-rain-for-poland-germany-denmark-netherlands-and-london-too/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 10 2023 19:10 utc | 145

Posted by: Bartholomew Cubbins | Jun 10 2023 18:14 utc | 127
Thanks. I hadn’t considered that Dima may be at risk of deplatforming if he portrays the situation in too frank of a manner.
In general I’m surprised that a lot of these YouTubers haven’t been deplatformed. They are massively undermining the government propaganda BS with some “truthiness.”

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 10 2023 19:14 utc | 146

Where is Zaluzhny anyway?
Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 10 2023 14:50 utc | 38
slumming with Annalena and Oooorsula?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 10 2023 19:15 utc | 147

In 48 hours time (12th of June) Nato could be in open war with Russia, as a military exercise by Nato called Air Defender 23 takes place over Eastern Europe hundreds of Nato fighter jets and bombers will take part, along with US F-16’s supposedly flown by Ukrainian pilots the whole exercise will be commanded from an HQ in Germany.
Bear in mind the Nato Balltops naval exercise was used as cover to blow up the Nordstream pipelines.
https://johnhelmer.org/bravado-before-capitulation-will-russian-defeat-of-us-patriot-missile-be-followed-by-ukrainian-f-16-attack-during-the-nato-air-defender-23/#more-70944

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 10 2023 19:21 utc | 148

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 10 2023 17:22 utc | 98
NATO Summit Vilnius, Lithuania, commences July 11 2023
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_214116.htm
Air Defender 23 runs June 12-23 2023
https://www.bundeswehr.de/en/organization/german-air-force/air-defender-23

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 10 2023 19:22 utc | 149

Zelensky appears to have confirmed that his country’s long-awaited counter-offensive against Russia has started.
“Counteroffensive and defensive actions are taking place,” he said on Saturday.
-BBC, CNN and such like…well?

Posted by: ostro | Jun 10 2023 19:22 utc | 150

Or getting hammered…?

Posted by: ostro | Jun 10 2023 19:25 utc | 151

⚡️Urgent⚡️The situation in Zaporozhye at 22:00 Moscow time.⚡️
According to sources of the 👉wargonzo project, at the moment there are no active offensive actions from the enemy on the Orekhov-Rabotino direction.
Artillery continues to operate on both sides.
Our servicemen are expecting a night offensive and do not lose their vigilance.
In the direction of Kamenskoe-Shirokoe during the day, the enemy made an attempt to attack, but, according to sources from the field, attacked with small forces, in the amount of three infantry fighting vehicles (two of which were destroyed) and one tank, with the support of helicopters.
The infantry tried to approach our positions, but did not achieve success, returning to their original lines.
👉wargonzo

Quiet?

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 10 2023 19:26 utc | 152

Sometime last year, the Russian Federation launched few military satellites, if anyone can remember…

Posted by: Ostro | Jun 10 2023 19:31 utc | 153

@ Posted by: b | Jun 10 2023 14:29 utc | 19
Perhaps they went to rescue the 50 to 60 troops left hiding behind vehicles with broken treads. (note the open rear doors of the Bradley’s in front of the camera) By the time that happened Russian aviation and ATGM’s were watching and added incoming fire to the problem.
So the commander had a decision, keep the motto of “no man left behind” valid, or watch comrades get blown up as the enemy engaged sitting targets with artillery and quad copters. Had the rescue succeeded, they would have been noted for battlefield valor and bravery. It failed and now their leader (who may have been in the rescue group) is known for his stupidity.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jun 10 2023 19:31 utc | 154

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 10 2023 19:14 utc | 147

… I hadn’t considered that Dima may be at risk of deplatforming if he portrays the situation in too frank of a manner.
In general I’m surprised that a lot of these YouTubers haven’t been deplatformed. They are massively undermining the government propaganda BS with some “truthiness.

Don’t worry about Mr. “Dima”, he tells stories day-by-day, but in a realistic fact-based manner. That will go on .. (he also has some good contacts to INet-Guys .. We’ll find him everywhere !
If You don’t like that of his reporting, pls. call the Police at 911 (USA), 110(GER) or elswhere presently at home …

Posted by: spare-truth | Jun 10 2023 19:33 utc | 155

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jun 10 2023 19:00 utc | 143
This would be a most interesting development. It’s possible that the f35s may very well be able to strike with impunity. Seems like Israel’s f35s are performing well. F16s could hang back with air to air missles to keep russian planes away.
F35? LOL what has an F35 killed? An Iranian drone? Wow what a fighter. Must have been one hell of a dogfight. Other than that F35 is mostly used to lob missiles at Syria from safe airspace.
As for the F16. Without its support, AWACS,E3, fuel tanker, ground and space assets. An F16 on its own is a 50 year old lawn dart.

Posted by: Golddigger | Jun 10 2023 19:34 utc | 156

Sometime last year, the Russian Federation launched few military satellites, if anyone can remember…
Posted by: Ostro | Jun 10 2023 19:31 utc | 154
Scott Ritter and Martyanov discussed those satellites in Garland Nixon’s newest video. Those satellites recently launched are maneuverable, meaning they can rotate with the earth to stay always over Ukraine. They also have imaging capability resolution of 1m and are not hindered by clouds. Earlier RU doesn’t apparently have those kind of satellites, which will boost capability to locate stuff much more efficiently.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 10 2023 19:34 utc | 157

The Russians probably gathered the destroyed vehicles together so as to create a more impressive photo for dissemination in the global media.
Given how slanted the media coverage is, they need to do whatever they can to get positive coverage.

Posted by: Oscar Peterson | Jun 10 2023 19:38 utc | 158

Scott Ritter and Martyanov discussed …
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 10 2023 19:34 utc | 158
——-
Both of them are just like us…has no inside info, but speaks about what they hear from other people’s blogs, TG blogs etc. Ritter is at least known in Russia, while Martyanov is just a guy in the USA…without a country to go back to…

Posted by: ostro | Jun 10 2023 19:45 utc | 159

Posted by: TomD | Jun 10 2023 16:43 utc | 83
Popped it into a new script in tampermonkey and works great. Now the poster’s name etc is at the top of the post instead of the bottom. Thank you.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 10 2023 19:46 utc | 160

PS. Forgot to mention: I used Brave Browser built on Chrome. No problem.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 10 2023 19:47 utc | 161

the FOREIGN AFFAIRS text by RAND-man Charap, as quoted by Mercouris today
“An Unwinnable War
Washington Needs an Endgame in Ukraine”
By Samuel Charap
June 5, 2023
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/print/node/1130396

Posted by: AG | Jun 10 2023 19:49 utc | 162

I don’t listen to Martyanov very often. I can summarise anything he says as “Russians are so smart, Americans are so stupid”, which may be true, but I don’t ned to listen to it for 20 or so minutes at a time in his very loud and annoying voice.

Posted by: Manage without me | Jun 10 2023 19:50 utc | 163

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2023 17:12 utc | 91
I have been to Gettysburg battlefield several times. Pickett’s charge wasn’t “up a hill”, it was across a large wide open field. The battles for Little and Big Round Top were different units, and if I remember correctly, were done the day before. Pickett’s Charge was partially a result of frustration with not being able to take the hills, and the southern Calvary (led by Jeb Stuart) being MIA.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jun 10 2023 19:50 utc | 164

My father was at the battle of Kursk. He was a Panzer grenadier, an officer in the infantry.

Posted by: Manage without me | Jun 10 2023 19:51 utc | 165

Can anyone point me to a good source to understand how Russia’s EW capabilities are different to the West’s?

Posted by: Manage without me | Jun 10 2023 19:53 utc | 166

Zaporozhye. The enemy demonstrates an attack to the east of the Kakhovka reservoir. This is the same front line, only to the left of yesterday’s main attacks, towards the Kherson region. Now the enemy is preparing artillery, unloading infantry. The area there are ravines, lowlands and heights. Armored cars, especially highway “Leopards” (62 tons), will be impossible to apply. The entire front line is under our control, the interaction of all forces on the front line is complete.

– Sladkov (He is at least quite near the front line, not like nuts posting in the Youtube from Washington…)

Posted by: ostro | Jun 10 2023 19:54 utc | 167

I’m no military expert, not even an armchair general, but the explanation for this fiasco seems straightforward.
The Ukrainians were trained by NATO forces who only had experience of being on the winning side in almost every battle. A deadly attack by the enemy is so rare for them that it does not figure in their military planning. Occasionally they might be unlucky and be struck by a suicide bomber or a roadside IED. But normally they are the ones who are attacking from a safe distance with overwhelming force.
I think someone pointed out here lately that American military trainers could only pass on to the ‘locals’ what they learned themselves. And of course, the trainers are not risking their own lives by passing on these instructions, like telling them where to drive their tanks.
Those tanks were sitting ducks for the Russian air force anyway, regardless of how closely bunched together they were. Different driving techniques would not have changed that. The only significance of their being so close together is that their destruction could be captured in a single image, creating a simpler image for the public audience to consume.

Posted by: Brendan | Jun 10 2023 19:54 utc | 168

Thanks. I hadn’t considered that Dima may be at risk of deplatforming if he portrays the situation in too frank of a manner.
In general I’m surprised that a lot of these YouTubers haven’t been deplatformed. They are massively undermining the government propaganda BS with some “truthiness.”
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 10 2023 19:14 utc | 147
I have long been of the opinion that the general ‘thrust’ of their videos: Ritter, Macgregor, Berleti, Duran et al is that ‘poor Ukraine needs help’ and that’s why they are allowed to stay in business.
It is noticeable that they never actually plead for an end to the war. They never actually come out and say we should be supporting the minority invaded Donbas. They never point out that all the action takes place on Donbas land invaded and occupied since 2014. They never point out that you can’t ‘support Ukraine’ by sending support ‘to Ukraine’ because that goes to Kiev Ukraine which is busy killing and has sworn to continue to kill, Donbas Ukraine. They continue to use the same language as Kiev and US propaganda which describes it always as ‘Russia v Ukraine’ thus leaving out the crucial element: Russia is protective of its own, US/Kiev are destructive of their own and everyone else for that matter.
So one can imagine anyone around the coffee table or in the ‘halls of power’ or briefing those that make the decisions can happily quote whole realms of their output in support of a contention that more money must be voted for Kiev and more help given because they are suffering.
For that, and that alone, is always the main thrust, the main content, usually the sole content, of their videos: Ukraine desperately needs help.
And in the case of Berletti he lends weight to the propaganda disinformation immensely, giving grave serious consideration to the lying published figures of actual supplies given to Kiev, pretending that it is the truth and, again, as with all of them, then making the case that poor ‘Ukraine’ (meaning, of course, Kiev Ukraine – the 10 million Donbas Ukrainians simply don’t enter the equation at all) is in desperate need.
My opinion is that they are CIA assets. I don’t know if this is deliberate or accidental. Or even if of necessity, under coercion. But de facto, they serve the purpose.
In summary:
. They never say anything that should be said
. They make the case that Kiev needs more support
. They use the same language which presents the situation in a false light.
For maybe three months now I have not looked at them any more. Doug Macgregor I sometimes. He’s pleasant to listen to, they mostly all are, but he fits the bill as described above.
I now stumble around in Telegram finding what I can from the ‘grass roots’.
Subscribe to Simplicius and Roloslavskiy (Rolo is more on internal politics but very eye opening about that aspect)
Get komolskaya pravda.
Slavsquat. Alexander Kots. some scheerpost. eugyppius. Slavyangrad.
That sort of thing.
Our ‘usual’ stable of Youtubers is essentially dross.

Posted by: abrogard | Jun 10 2023 19:56 utc | 169

Not many people have emphasized how the neocons have made the same mistake as Hitler regarding Russia/Soviet Union: “You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.” Not the only resemblance, either, is it?

Posted by: Manage without me | Jun 10 2023 19:58 utc | 170

Posted by: Oscar Peterson | Jun 10 2023 19:38 utc | 159
The Russians probably gathered the destroyed vehicles together so as to create a more impressive photo for dissemination in the global media.
Given how slanted the media coverage is, they need to do whatever they can to get positive coverage.
The tracks in the dirt clearly show the vehicles were driven to their final resing place.
You can plainly see the craters from detonated mines next to and under the vehicles. The tracks are blown clear off the vehicles making them immovable. The reason they were grouped together like that is the vehicles that were still mobile used the disabled vehicles for cover. At least till the artillery arrived and turned them into field ornaments
Nothing in those vids is staged by the russians

Posted by: Golddigger | Jun 10 2023 20:02 utc | 171

Sky News analyses images of burning western tanks

“Fire doesn’t appear in squares”
“>https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/68377

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2023 20:07 utc | 172

Posted by: scc | Jun 10 2023 18:48 utc | 137
I was searching for a citation to use in making response to karlof1 | Jun 10 2023 17:12 utc | 91 and found the following which illustrates another reminder to our governments in addition to your Able Archer example.
On November 9, 1979, Zbigniew Brzezinski (Carter’s National Security advisor) was woken at 3 am by a phone call with a startling message: The Soviets had just launched 250 nuclear weapons at the United States. Minutes later, Brzezinski received another call: The early-warning system actually showed 2,000 missiles heading toward the United States.
The third call explained that a training tape had somehow been played and the output entered into the real-time warning system.

SOURCE:
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb371/
The 3 A.M. Phone Call
Since the crowd in the bar exhibits an intelligent concern over the final ultimate orgasm of destruction, I suspect there exist a large number of government fonctionnaires with precisely the same concern.
Who knows how closely their fat thumbs hover over the big red button?
If thumb meets button the last round of Lagavulin is on me. Uisge Beath forever and ever.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 10 2023 20:08 utc | 173

Whatever, that is not how they talk.
“Everybody is a cia asset” is just as useful as “russia and nato are secretly fighting for the same side”, and itself, a form of disinformation, given from either a myopic obsession of some “they” who “control everything”, or a position of arrogant ignorance, where based on a fraction of observation, the person declares “they never say” or “you never see” even though they do say, and you can see, just the one to declare such blanket non-sense has not, therefore believing it does not exist, to the third, and most highly unlikely, but still possible, the person declaring others to be “they” is themselves a spook spreading fud.

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 10 2023 20:08 utc | 174

@ Konami | Jun 10 2023 16:13 utc | 76
That’s easy — because NATO is demented.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 10 2023 20:10 utc | 175

Posted by: Manage without me | Jun 10 2023 19:51 utc | 166
My father was at the battle of Kursk. He was a Panzer grenadier, an officer in the infantry.
You are either very old, or your father was extremely lucky.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 10 2023 20:13 utc | 176

@173 Norwegian
Thanks for the laugh. Meme worthy, ill never forget, “fire doesnt appear in squarrs”

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 10 2023 20:16 utc | 177

@167
Textbook general Petraeus said on Imminent Counteroffensive …
He mentioned EW and strength of Russia, I quickly found this article …

Return of Ground-Based Electronic Warfare Platforms and Force Structure
Most of these capabilities also reside in the current force of the U.S. Army, and modernization efforts are ongoing to mitigate disparities. However, some capabilities, most notably electronic warfare (EW), specifically electronic attack (EA), were culled from the U.S. Army between the end of the Cold War and the building of the BCT-centric Army for Iraq and Afghanistan. While the Army retains some of its EW capability in the form of signals intelligence (SIGINT, also known as EW support), EA systems such as the AN/MLQ-34 TACJAM and the AN/TLQ-17A TRAFFIC JAM were taken out of the inventory with no replacement, and formations dedicated to providing functional support to combat brigades and divisions were inactivated.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 10 2023 20:20 utc | 178

With all the speculation over what NATO will do during Air Defender 23, and how it will use the operation as a cover for something bigger, could it be that it will be nothing so bold as some think. AD 23 may be a cover to leave some fighter jets behind, which eventually may somehow end up in or near Ukraine. Wouldn’t be surprised, and these NATO people may not have gamed it out any further than leaving the jets then see what they can do afterwards.

Posted by: Mike R | Jun 10 2023 20:21 utc | 179

Ukraine plays “Light Brigade” with British advice
“They were trained by the British and they’re playing Light Brigade,” the officer added, referring to the 1854 disaster at the Battle of Balaclava when misreported orders sent British cavalry into massed cannon fire.
Ukraine’s tanks charged directly into minefields without deploying mine-clearing vehicles first, contributing to the loss of 38 tanks during the night of June 8, including numerous of the newly delivered Leopard II tanks.
“A couple of Ukrainians tried to pull off a Guderian,” another military source said, referring to German General Heinz Guderian’s breakthrough at Sedan during the 1940 Battle of France. “But Guderian had 3,000 tanks, and these idiots have just gambled away the 30 they have.”
“And without air superiority,” the source added, “it’s a suicide mission.”
https://asiatimes.com/2023/06/ukraine-plays-light-brigade-with-british-advice/

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 10 2023 20:26 utc | 180

Posted by: Brendan | Jun 10 2023 19:54 utc | 169
————
Exactly!
NATO can’t teach what they don’t know, how to fight a superior force…

Posted by: ostro | Jun 10 2023 20:26 utc | 181

Consistent destruction of a column of Ukrainian militants with the help of FPV Drones…https://t.me/polk105/8001

Posted by: ostro | Jun 10 2023 20:29 utc | 182

re: Sushi | Jun 10 2023 19:22 utc | 150
yes, my mistake, thanks to you and unimperator | Jun 10 2023 17:30 utc | 103 for pointing that out.
I acknowledged that at 109, will attempt to read the dates a bit more carefully in the future.
I agreed with La Bastille | Jun 10 2023 17:24 utc | 100 that if Poland — and Romania and the US — are going to attempt to send troops into Western Ukraine, the NATO Air Defender 23 “exercise” would be the time to do it.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 10 2023 20:30 utc | 183

Sushi@128
It would help put matters in perspective if you identified the “Foreign Power” that CSIS is claiming interferes in Canadian elecyions. It is not the US or Israel, the EU or UK but China.
In fact the entire subject is just another outbreak of sinophobia from an organisation, CSIS, which ought never to have been established and is in effect an agency run by the CIA, which explains why it blames China-which has no interest at all in Canadian elections- in order to bolster the cause of the hawks who want confrontation with China in order to preserve imperial hegemony.
On another matter:
Those who hold that Ukraine was ‘set up to fail’ militarily are forgetting that the NATO strategy was to replace the Russian government with one staffed by imperialist Fifth Columnists. This was to come as the result of the sanctions imposed on Russia and the anticipated influence of NATO propaganda on Russia’s youth and middle class.
Ukraine’s military was asked to do no more than hold the line and help illustrate the propaganda narrative in which a poor, fiercely independent country, recently emerged from centuries of Great Russian oppression (remember this is a story not the truth) defends itself against Big Bad Russia.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2023 20:30 utc | 184

It seems like most of you MoA commentators have it wrong … they brought in an actual bone fide 100% genuine Military Analyst … none other than Retired Air Marshall Sean Bell to set you all straight … surely he knows what he’s talking about …

🤡 This is how dumb they think you are.”FIRE DOESN’T APPEAR IN SQUARES”
At the end of the video the Leopard is burning 00:19
Who knows what UK media propaganda will say when first “Challenger 2” is destroyed…
The Western Media propaganda effort is out of this world.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/68377
(21 seconds)

And for those of you with a strong constitution who can handle more than 21 seconds … here is 4:55 of the Retired Air Vice Marshall setting you all straight

Ukraine War: ‘Ukraine counter-offensive has started’ – 9 hours ago
Military Analyst Sean Bell assesses Ukraine’s counter-offensive as Russia’s President claims all attempts have failed so far while also suggesting Ukrainian troops are suffering significant losses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyrlPX7ac9o

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jun 10 2023 20:35 utc | 185

From the MoD report posted previously…
“Wedging the enemy into our defense is not allowed.”
Heh, heh. Trolling the Ukrainians.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 10 2023 20:35 utc | 186

Somebody posted this a few weeks ago here, on RF EW
https://jamestown.org/program/electronic-warfare-in-contemporary-russian-military-thought/
It does not work well on my phone, but it is extensive.
Also, i remember long ago reading about the USS Donald Cook in the black sea getting blinked out, and usa calling it “unprofessional”.
I never believed the rumor, but i never disbelieved it either.

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 10 2023 20:35 utc | 187

Dima on Military Summary had a very good description of the mine warfare currently taking place. Turns out there are some very clever ways to utilize aerial dispersed mines. Also he had detailed explanations on the Ukrainian reinforcement truck convoys on Zaporozhye front that were pretty much obliterated with small drones.
Additionally at least one Leopard tank has been secured intact and taken out of the combat area, what sort of tank (old or new etc. not clear). Didn’t they say they stripped some “hi-tech” out of them before giving them to Ukraine?

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 10 2023 20:40 utc | 188

The Nato war pigs will be “exercising” soon; perhaps they convinced the Ukronazis that their attacks would be a prelude to intervention. I wonder if they forgot that the Russians have held back the bulk of their forces to prevent the Ukraine job being used as a diversion….

Posted by: Squeeth | Jun 10 2023 20:41 utc | 189

Two pieces from Sputnik today:
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230610/scott-ritter-ukrainian-counteroffensive-runs-into-defensive-wall-1111050140.html

Scott Ritter: Ukrainian Counteroffensive Runs Into Defensive Wall
While the fighting in Zaporozhye is not yet finished, the initial results on the battlefield show that, contrary to the expectations of Ukraine and its NATO partners, the men of the 42ndGuards Rifle Division performed their tasks in a professional manner, decisively defeating the Ukrainian assault forces. The 70th Motorized Rifle Regiment has been singled out as performing very well under difficult circumstances. The same can be said of the 291st Motorized Rifle Regiment and the 71st Motorized Rifles Regiment, along with special forces soldiers from the 22nd Spetsnaz Brigade.
Analysts from ISW, in assessing the initial successes of the Russian defenders, noted that “Russian forces appear to have executed their formal tactical defensive doctrine in response to the Ukrainian attacks.”
This, of course, should have taken no one by surprise, since the individual in command of Russian forces in the Zaporozhye area is Colonel General Alexander Romanchuk, the man who is responsible for conceiving modern Russian defensive doctrine. In April 2023 Romanchuk, who at that time was serving as the Rector of the Combined Arms Academy of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (the equivalent of the United States Army’s Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth), co-authored an article titled “Prospects for Improving the Efficiency of Army Defensive Operations.”
In the article, Romanchuk noted that the main mission of a defending force “is to neutralize the initiative of the advancing enemy, i.e., to bring him to the state of impossibility to continue advancing with deployed forces. Ultimately, this allows you to reduce his activity and seize the initiative by going over to a decisive counter-offensive to defeat the enemy with shock groups.”
This represents a restatement of Soviet-era doctrine. Indeed, Romanchuk draws upon the defeat of German offensive operations in the vicinity of Lake Balaton in March 1945 as representing an ideal implementation of this doctrine, underscoring “a bold maneuver of the reserves…especially artillery, the skillful use of anti-tank reserves, vigilant detachments of obstacles and the arrangement of fire ambushes” by the Russian forces in defeating the German attack.
Romanchuk, however, did not simply reiterate old doctrine in his paper. Instead, he emphasizes the concept of “dispersed forces” in building a defensive scheme capable of prevailing on the modern battlefield. “A dispersed defensive operation should become a logical response to a superior enemy,” Romanchuk writes.
Such an operation “is based on the retention of important areas, objects and transport hubs in separate most important directions,” and is “characterized by an even distribution of forces and resources in areas, and decentralized use of formations and military units of the armed forces and special forces.”

https://sputnikglobe.com/20230610/us-natos-ultimate-goal-is-to-take-over-ukrainian-land-people-resources-1111049673.html

US & NATO’s Ultimate Goal is to ‘Take Over Ukrainian Land, People and Resources’
“This is the fault of the US and NATO which seeks to ride the back of Ukrainian patriotism in order to both confront and harass Russia, with an aim to take over Ukraine’s land, people and resources once there is little Ukraine left – in a kind of mini-Marshall Plan, this time completely and wholly managed and conducted by US and international crony capitalists, like Black Rock,” Kwiatkowsky, a former US Department of Defense analyst, told Sputnik.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 10 2023 20:41 utc | 190

Poslan1 | Jun 10 2023 17:13 utc | 94
***… pro-EU Ukranians I knew were interested in to be free to go to EU, men to find jobs there, women to find husbands.***
How jolly decent of NATO politicians to deluge Europe (including the UK) with trans psychopaths and pox-raddled mercenaries. Maybe these Galician invaders can amuse themselves with turf wars against Albanian Mafia or Yardies. Just the sort of creatures with which so-called Western ‘leaders’ can best identify.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 10 2023 20:41 utc | 191

@157 gold digger
Theres been a lot of mystery airstrikes in syria and Kurdistan. I’m guessing it was Israeli f35s

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jun 10 2023 20:42 utc | 192

Apollyon @ 181Ukraine plays “Light Brigade” with British advice

“They were trained by the British and they’re playing Light Brigade”

Brilliant, it did seems familiar to something. Bet those Brit pols, military strategists, and trainers have no idea of their own history. This is certainly the stupidiest leadership generation in 3000ys of European history, these people are all rich kids who paid not the least attention in school, not that 170ys ago they were much different, obviously, but to repeat the same catastrophe certainly qualifies as a higher level of stupid.
One day maybe a dark comedy will be made of this fiasco and it will run as a double feature with the Tony Richardson film.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 10 2023 20:44 utc | 193

At some point the best prophylaxis against final NATO escalation into direct conflict would be a statement from China to the effect that if NATO attacks Russian forces, China will throw its support behind Russia.
This will at least end the illusion in Europe that they can somehow outlast Russia, making the enlistment of EU/NATO forces as the next proxies a much harder sell.
Posted by: Paul Damascene | Jun 10 2023 15:26 utc | 53

I doubt China would jeopardize their economic interests. The fact that China is the World’s manufacturing center wouldn’t stop the crazies from throwing sanctions around like what they’ve done with Russia. In any case, the Chinese prefer to do things covertly.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 10 2023 20:45 utc | 194

This piece in the Guardian by Simon Tisdall, former Europe and former US editor of the Guardian, gives me the creeps. Seems to be prepping us for a NATO attack on Russia, and the air and Baltic exercises start any day…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/10/impunity-is-putins-middle-name-now-he-must-pay-for-his-crimes
The monster in the Kremlin was surely behind the Ukraine dam explosion. Nato allies have to stop him before he blows up everything…of course the Russians did it. Blowing up Nova Kakhovka dam in southern Ukraine last week is cowardly Vladimir Putin’s long-planned response to what he fears is the start of Kyiv’s counteroffensive. Only Russians really had the means, motive and opportunity. Only this malevolent Kremlin regime would wilfully inflict human and environmental havoc on so vast a scale.
impossible to prove at this point. And, of course, Putin’s loathsome sycophants lied about it, blaming Ukrainian self-sabotage. That’s what they do, these mobsters. They lied about the Russian-supplied missile that destroyed Flight MH17 over occupied Donbas in 2014. They lied about the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Putin lied blatantly about invading Ukraine, right up to the moment he did.
Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev, Shoigu, Peskov and the gang have been lying through their teeth ever since – even as their absurdly neo-imperial “special operation” imploded, Russia’s soldiers died in droves, Ukraine’s cities burned, and reports of war crimes piled up like tortured bodies in a Bucha basement. It’s pathological. They lie to the world, to their people, to themselves.
It’s been clear for a while that, like it or not, Biden and the Nato allies – they meet next month in Lithuania – have to finally draw a line. A reckoning with Russia is overdue. The blowing-up of Kakhovka dam may not be quite that trigger moment. But it’s coming, because the monster in the Kremlin will not stop – yet stopped he must be before he blows up the world.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 10 2023 20:45 utc | 195

Posted by: Konami | Jun 10 2023 16:13 utc | 76
“I try to understand the psychology of someone who’s pro-Russian (the majority in this forum, in my opinion) but convinced that NATO/Poland/USA will attack Russia. If we agree that Russia is winning the war in Ukrainian and prepared for anything NATO can throw at them then why do you assume that NATO/etc. will do precisely that?”
You hit the nail on the head. These people subconsciously want Russia to lose this war. They’re still hung up on Cold War 1.0 and the “Communist threat”.
Or, like some preppers, they subconsciously want WWIII because that will destroy the crappy society we have now.
It’s infantile.
Some fools here still talking about the NATO exercises being cover for something despite the absurdity. I just answered some clown in the last thread who said the F-16 had some enormous range with refueling. Actual “radius of action” is only 500 miles or so without refueling. Refueling doesn’t matter when your mission is one-way as a result of S-400 and R-37 missiles having ranges of 200-400 miles. Russian long-range radar will see these planes coming well before they enter operational range of Russia.
But these fools keep pulling this crap out of their asses as if it was a serious possibility.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 10 2023 20:48 utc | 196

Just FYE to the bar, unless b is being sarcastic/facetious, the author in question goes by “Simplicius” (no “t”) or Simplicius76.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 10 2023 20:48 utc | 197

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-tank-leopard-blew-up-tractor-2824d17105d3cfb875a5306acd2c9089
Propaganda of the day #1: no tanks hit, just tractors!

Posted by: Susan Welsh | Jun 10 2023 20:49 utc | 198

Norwegian @ 24
Your fear mongering is transparent. No reason to repeatedly ‘predict’ nuclear scenario.
RESPONSE: The arrogant mentality of the USA thinking that it must punish the strongest nuclear power of our day will not end well for the West. The USA has sinned against the Lord and will be judged accordingly. Its days are numbered.
AND, YES, I DO BELIEVE IT WILL END IN NUCLEAR DESTRUCTION FOR THE USA.

Posted by: young | Jun 10 2023 20:55 utc | 199

I just watched Military Summary for today with detailed description of new Russian tactics. They verge on child abuse, distant drones, remote re-mining: Ukrainian de-mine until the lead de-mining tank is damaged by repeatedly going over mines, so the group has to retreat, but the cleaned trail is remotely re-mined — kind of like Katyusha system that drops mines instead of explosive warheads. So the valiant group returns with SOME losses, no massacre, and has the option to try again, with the same result. Try to think what does it do for the fighting spirit.
One huge change from 2022 is the coherent effective kit of drones that RF is using. Since 2015, every year Russian military complex (oboronka) was promissing spiffy drones to be ready next year, but until RF got supplies from Iran and close cooperation about production and perhaps design, this was like Friedman units from the time of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (promises of huge imprevements in 6 month that NYT columnist published with some regularity).
I conjecture that one Russian bottleneck was in engineers. You need talented hardworking engineers with spotless security credentials, so not such a broad pool, and those smart people, being smart, would tend to gravitate to successful programs that also require many new designs like missile system, electronic warfare etc. But in Iran, also with a pool of young talented hardworking engineers, drones were a top national priority. However, the relations between RF and Iran were complex, divergencies of interests, tactics and complex games. Once RF and Iran were equally sanctioned and threatened, motivation for close cooperation and deeper trust emerged. Mind you, you are talking about disclosure of deep secrets, risks of hysterical level retaliations from USA, Russia being more risk averse.
One wider conclusion is that in technology, no country, even USA and China, can be on top of every field and application, and a lot depends on the focus, organization, and incentives.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 10 2023 20:55 utc | 200