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June 14, 2023
Astroturfing For More War In Ukraine

Fellaraktar🇺🇦@fellaraktar – 14:46 UTC · May 29, 2023

As a British citizen I want to say that arming Ukraine is the single best use of tax payer money for decades

My only criticism is that the west aren’t sending enough, fast enough

Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of their sons and daughters

Do more now

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Karen Goetz📯🇺🇦 @KarenGoetz362 – 22:18 UTC · May 29, 2023

As a German citizen I want to say that arming #Ukraine is the single best use of tax payer money for decades. My only criticism is that the west aren't sending enough, fast enough. Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of their sons and daughters. Do more now!

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Oksanna Oricia (Оксана Збігла) 🇺🇦🇨🇦 @Roxanne_Oricia – 1:46 UTC · May 30, 2023

As a 🇺🇦 #Canadian I want to say that arming #Ukraine is the single best use of taxpayer money in decades.

My only criticism is that the west isn’t sending enough, FAST enough.

Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of their sons & daughters.
#ArmUkraineNow ✊🏼

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Thomas C. Theiner @noclador – 4:57 UTC · May 30, 2023

As an Italian citizen I want to say that arming Ukraine is the single best use of taxpayer money for decades.
My only criticism is that the west aren’t sending enough, fast enough.
Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of their sons and daughters.
Do more now!

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brit engr 🇬🇧 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇦 @brit_engr – 8:15 UTC · May 30, 2023

As a British citizen, I want to say that arming Ukraine is the single best use of taxpayer money for decades.
My only criticism is that the West aren’t sending enough, fast enough.
Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of their sons and daughters.
Do more now!

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bitiv @bitiv30 – 9:29 UTC · May 30, 2023

As a #Romanian citizen, I want to say that arming #Ukraine is the single best use of taxpayer money for decades. My only criticism is that the West isn’t sending enough, fast enough. Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of its sons and daughters. Do more now!

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Anne @KidsFromUkraine 🌷❤🌻 @AnneFella – 17:03 UTC · May 30, 2023

As a 🇳🇱#Dutch citizen I want to say that arming #Ukraine is the single best use of taxpayer money in decades. My only criticism is that the west isn’t sending enough, FAST enough. Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of their sons & daughters. #ArmUkraineNow

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Thibaud Ochem @Thibaud_Ochem – 18:51 UTC · May 30, 2023

As a 🇫🇷 citizen I want to say that arming #Ukraine is the single best use of taxpayer money 4 decades. My only criticism is that the West isn't sending enough, fast enough.🇺🇦is paying 4 political posturing with the lives of their sons & daughters. Do more now! #weapons4Ukraine

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MH @Mickhavoc – 1:14 UTC · May 31, 2023

As a Canadian citizen I want to say that arming #Ukraine is the single best use of taxpayer money for decades. My only criticism is that the west aren't sending enough, fast enough. Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of their sons and daughters. Do more now

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Bogdan Stech @BogdanStech – 22:07 UTC · May 31, 2023

As a #Poland citizen, I want to say that arming #Ukraine is the single best use of taxpayer money for decades. My only criticism is that the West isn’t sending enough, fast enough. Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of its sons and daughters.

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Well, by now you will have understood the idea …

There are many more such tweets.

In total I count more than one hundred by various NAFO troll accounts. All the tweets were issued between May 29 and June 6.

This is astroturfing on a fairly sophisticated level:

Astroturfing is the practice of hiding the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants. It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial backers. The term astroturfing is derived from AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to resemble natural grass, as a play on the word "grassroots". The implication behind the use of the term is that instead of a "true" or "natural" grassroots effort behind the activity in question, there is a "fake" or "artificial" appearance of support.

I wonder whose taxpayer money gets wasted on it.

Yesterday the Russian President Vladimir Putin had a public talk with war correspondents. Yekaterina Agranovich, a blogger, asked him about 'western' propaganda and the people deceived by it. Putin responded:

The information space is a battlefield, a crucial battlefield.

So, if someone uploads or writes something and provides an address, this is one thing. However, if there is no address and it is not clear who is writing or speaking, this is a completely different story. You and I are well aware that you can post things online using well-known technical means, and you can make it look like millions of people have seen these videos and commented on them when in fact there is just one person behind it who simply uses modern technology to replicate it endlessly. But, of course, there certainly are people who have a certain frame of mind, and they can express their point of view.

What can we do to oppose this? I think this audience will know what I mean. This can and should be countered not so much by restrictions or administrative or law enforcement constraints, but by effective work in the information environment on our part. And I am really counting on your help.

Well, he did not talk to me. And no, I do not post at Moon of Alabama to help Russia or Putin, but to lay things out as I see them. If that is at times consistent with whatever this or that other public person says, it is likely to be a coincidental and temporary state.

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Hat tip: Syriacide

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@james
@S
I’ve no doubt that many shameful, stupid things happen during wars. Peace has a way of breeding complacency. Let’s hope the Russia MoD is learning and adapting, and will punish those who make bad leaders, and promote the good ones.
BTW I give you credit enough to already know that Russia is hardly alone in wartime screw-up capability. During the Iraq war the Pentagon screwed the pooch on many occasions, including failing to provide the troops with proper body armor, leading to private war profiteers jumping in and taking the money for strippers, wild parties with porn stars, and jewelry. Not much body armor ever made it to the troops.
They did an entire episode of “American Greed” on it.
https://www.nbc.com/american-greed/video/bonus-edition-in-harms-way/4337996
BTW I highly suspect that NATO training is ruining the UAF. Their performance seems to have gone south right about the time that the western training started to kick in.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 15 2023 3:08 utc | 301

99.9% of the commentary on MoA, to include the moderator, are Western communists who think the USSR is coming back. They are willingly propagandized and have no critical thinking skills, I come here and marvel of the power of propaganda.

Posted by: Numbnutz | Jun 15 2023 3:18 utc | 302

@ Numbnutz | Jun 15 2023 3:18 utc | 300
i feel the same whenever i go and open any western msm outlet.. complete propaganda and trash.. so, we see it differently, lol..

Posted by: james | Jun 15 2023 3:26 utc | 303

Posted by: dh | Jun 14 2023 18:33 utc | 132
As a retired billionaire living on a luxury yacht I would like to recommend offshore banking as the best way to avoid paying tax. Most offshore banks don’t care if you are American, Russian or Ukrainian as long as you’ve got money.
https://statrys.com/blog/offshore-accounts-countries
Posted by: dh | Jun 14 2023 18:33 utc | 132
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the above is what i see in the browser. i use a modified version of TomD spiderm
onkey script. i get the posted by line at the top and bottom. also i can coloriz
e or delete posts based on user.
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to dh:
hey, i know you. you are the billionaire that owns all those offshore banks. i always wondered where all your money came from. good luck.

Posted by: frkorz | Jun 15 2023 3:26 utc | 304

English Outsider @ 142
Another excellent contribution, EO. Your thought that Ukraine ‘could have been one of the finest countries in Europe’ was on my mind since the first decade of 21 century, when the Ukraine was going through the motions to have commercial ties with EU, during the times of Yushchenko, Timoshenko and the first meddling by the US. Vicky Nuland started ‘investing’ billions (4) in Ukraine, Soros unknown amount. These actions by western agents have been long in coming, carefully planned, the Ukrainian oligarchs were busy carving out their spheres of influence, using legal, semi-legal, and outright criminal means.
These times must be studied by good historians without bias to the Western nor Russian point of view (not by people like Timothy Snyder of Yale fame, or like Masha Gessen). For people with some German reading skills, a good introduction to that time span in Ukraine and Russian history are the writings of Peter Scholl-Latour, who wrote books “Russia im Zangengriff”, (I believe 2005 or 2006), and “Der Weg in den neuen Kalten Krieg” (2008) and “Der Fluch der bösen Tat” (2014). He was absolutely correct in writing, in those years already, about the NATO and Brussels ‘Drang nach Osten’. The first chapter of the third title has title “Gefangene der eigenen Lügen” (Prisoners of their own lies) and subtitle “Sarajevo in Donbass.” Scholl-Latour was afraid that the history of the WW 1 and WW 2 may repeat itself.
The idea that Ukraine could have become a great country, rich, multilingual, multi-religious, is now gone forever. The guilt for the crime of the war, of the carnage is not Russia, or Putin in my opinion and those who instigated and who continue to push young people into the death should be tried and sentenced.
The tragedy of the Warsaw Uprising in 1944 comes to mind – the young men and women, were asked to fight a fight which could not be won, and one Polish general, General Anders, said so. If I remember correctly, he called it a crime, to give order to start the uprising, and called to punish those who gave the orders.

Posted by: fanto | Jun 15 2023 3:29 utc | 305

Technophobe | Jun 15 2023 2:40 utc | 293
Thank you for the suggestion, will read it.
Broncobilly, I post around once every 2-3 months, surely below radar. I enjoy the bar very much nonetheless. I’ll share sources if I find the time, although there’s plenty of main stream peer reviewed kind of stuff around, I have in mind a couple of very well researched articles from Peter Lee formerly of China matters from close to 10 years ago

Posted by: htyul | Jun 15 2023 4:05 utc | 306

Ukraine must take Crimea to prove themselves to NATO, so they must go through Zaporozhye. They will most likely detonate a dirty bomb around the Nuclear Power Plant for cover. They are willing to send their troops through a radioactive cloud. Russia would have to use much of their forces to remove civilians from the area. Russia should go ahead and evacuate civilians around Zeporozye NPP and down wind like they did from the threat of Ukraine blowing the dam.

Posted by: barstool | Jun 15 2023 4:07 utc | 307

Legislation in 15minutes😳🤯😂.
Today the Australian parliament took 15 minutes to pass emergency legislation to block the Russians from building a new embassy in Canberra.
😳!National Security!!!? 👻
Here’s the breathlessly reported item
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG4QzQPOjaw

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 15 2023 4:26 utc | 308

BroncoBilly | Jun 15 2023 2:27 utc | 290–
htyul’s been a commentator here for many years, and his comment was historically accurate and correct. The Outlaw US Empire committed Genocide in the Philippines as verified by official sources, and Filipino subjugation continues today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2023 4:36 utc | 309

Numbnutz | Jun 15 2023 3:18 utc | 300==
Your moniker and comment are perfectly in-sync. Congratulations!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2023 4:38 utc | 310

barstool | Jun 15 2023 4:07 utc | 305
I wonder if that, or a provable massive war crime, would actually give Nato an offramp by immediately distancing itself from this debacle and denouncing 404.

Posted by: wink | Jun 15 2023 4:39 utc | 311

RT has just published what I’ll term a mystifying essay by “Professor Sergey Karaganov, honorary chairman of Russia’s Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, and academic supervisor at the School of International Economics and Foreign Affairs Higher School of Economics (HSE) in Moscow.” I’ll let others muse about the nature of his CV; I’ll merely say it’s flawed. It amounts to an op/ed:
“By using its nuclear weapons, Russia could save humanity from a global catastrophe: A tough but necessary decision would likely force the West to back off, enabling an earlier end to the Ukraine crisis and preventing it from expanding to other states.” The original essay in Russian is here.
I’ll see if this gets past the filter before continuing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2023 4:49 utc | 312

Re: Air Superiority
Any news regarding Air Defender 23 ?!

Posted by: Exile | Jun 15 2023 4:50 utc | 313

Why doesn‘t Scholz bite the bullet ? Conscription is only suspended in Germany and not abolished it is still Art 12a of the German Constitution. Simply solve the recruiting problem by drafting 18 year olds and restricting Zivildienst to females only

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 15 2023 4:55 utc | 314

Good, now it can be read by all. RT prefaced its translation thusly:

Inside Russia, among the domestic expert community, this article has sparked a major debate about nuclear weapons, their role and the conditions of their use.
Especially given Sergey Karaganov’s status as a former presidential adviser to both Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin, and his position as head of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, a noted Moscow think tank.
Some noted figures have reacted with dismay, while others have been less critical.
RT has decided it would be beneficial for our readers to read it in full. The following piece has been translated and lightly edited.

Here are his initial premises:

Our country, and its leadership, seems to me to be facing a difficult choice. It is becoming increasingly clear that our clash with the West will not end with a partial – let alone a crushing – victory in Ukraine.
Even if we completely liberate the Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson oblasts, it will be a minimal victory. A slightly greater success would be to liberate the whole of eastern and southern Ukraine within a year or two. But it would still leave a part of the country with an even more embittered ultra-nationalist population pumped full of weapons – a bleeding wound that threatens inevitable complications, such as another war.
The situation could be worse if we liberate the whole of Ukraine at the cost of monstrous sacrifices and are left with ruins and a population that mostly hates us. It would take more than a decade to “re-educate” them.

None of the above are true yet; they all remain to be proven; thus, they are unproven assumptions: the worst sort of premises one can have other than those that are false; and the first one is quite close to being false. You’ll need to read all the way to the end–slowly. It’s late here as I read it the first time. I’ll need to reread before I comment further. IMO, b ought to make this into an article as it deserves massive amounts of discussion. I’ll discover if that’s what he does when my morning arrives.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2023 5:05 utc | 315

From twitter https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1668922195777581057

The bizarre situation with Adam Delimkhanov appears to be connected to a number of outcries in Z-channels today complaining about Russian commanders concentrating infantry near the frontline.
The reports seem to suggest that a HIMARS arrived at a location near Kreminna recently, killing hundreds of Russians preparing for an assault against Ukrainian positions, and Delimkhanov could be among the wounded.
Here are some excerpts from Russian channels:
Starshe Eddy, 8:46AM:
“If by the middle of the second year of the war there are commanders who take columns to the front and concentrate all personnel in one big pile, and wait for the enemy artillery to strike, then such commanders must be shot before in front of the formation, even if they are colonels or even generals.”
Crybar, 8:52AM:
“It was near Kremennaya, a tragic incident occurred in one of the divisions that were about to go on the offensive.
For two hours people stood in a crowd in one place and waited for the division commander to say his motivating speech.
But instead of him, the HIMARS MLRS and enemy artillery had their say.
In the South Donetsk direction, in a few days there were fewer casualties in the battles than from the criminal stupidity of the division commander.”
Dva Mayora, 9:15AM
“B*tch, you shouldn’t stay in a column for two hours in one place!
What are you doing, father commanders? You are commanding people!
Will they prosecute bloggers again instead of the degenerates with high ranks?
The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no merit in this war. We are at war with our own stupidity and lack of care, mixed up with positive reports.”
Voyenniy Osvedomitel, 9:23AM:
“Let’s add that the people responsible for this have already managed to “become famous” in other areas more than once.
And not only the division commander but also his immediate superior.
However, instead of bearing responsibility, comrades degenerals continued to selflessly occupy key army positions.
The result was not long in coming.
Should we expect punishment for them this time, or will it all happen again? For us, this question is, alas, rhetorical.”
Some seem to point at a general related to the infamous 155th Banzai Marine Brigade which was demolished in Pavlivka last November, as the culprit of the incident.
The general’s name is Sukhrab Akhmedov.
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1668905434910978050

According to claims from the Ukrainian journalist and military Kyrylo Sazanov, Delimkhanov was attacked when he was in Prymorsk, Zaporizhizhia region.
On the 12th June, Prymorsk was hit with supposedly Storm Shadow missiles. Back then, on the day of the strikes. Some sources hinted that there was a strike on the location of “very fat officers of the Command Platoon of the Chief Tik-Toker. (Kadyrov)”

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1668911534184038403
Ramzan Kadyrov published a cryptic message on his telegram saying he lost his dear BROTHER Adam Delimkhanov who is not getting back to him.
Kadyrov is asking Ukrainian intelligence to say what positions they hit so he could find his friend:
“I’m unable to reach Adam Delimkhanov in any way.
He isn’t getting in touch.
I ask Ukrainian intelligence to provide information on exactly what place and what positions were hit, so that I could still find my dear BROTHER.
I promise a generous reward and I ask you to help.”
https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/3697

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 15 2023 5:06 utc | 316

99.9% of the commentary on MoA, to include the moderator, are Western communists who think the USSR is coming back. They are willingly propagandized and have no critical thinking skills, I come here and marvel of the power of propaganda.
Posted by: Numbnutz | Jun 15 2023 3:18 utc | 300

Not really, it’s mostly right- and libertarian-leaning types who project the realization of their visions for the future onto Putin/Russia. There are some communists who do the same too, that is correct, but mostly there aren’t that many communists left out there.
You can easily recognize who is who — if someone is ranting about debt, the economy, dedollarization, etc., then most likely that person isn’t communist.
Of course, modern Russia fulfills neither’s hopes — it has been run in largely following neoliberal policies, although with serious state presence in key industries, for a long time.

Posted by: shаdоwbаnnеd | Jun 15 2023 5:18 utc | 317

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 15 2023 5:06 utc | 314
War is a brutal but true teacher.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 15 2023 5:20 utc | 318

Russia can’t sell gas, win for russia’s enemies. Fairly simple, I think.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jun 14 2023 22:00 utc | 220

Russia selling gas (and other commodities) is a major loss for Russia.
Those are nonrenewable resources that will run out in the not too distant future. They should be carefully conserved, to be available for as long as possible for the population of Russia. Instead they are extracted and sold in exchange for peanuts as quickly as possible.
Which is grand treason from the perspective of the long term interests of the country.

Posted by: shаdоwbаnnеd | Jun 15 2023 5:21 utc | 319

But most certainly, the Storm Shadows, HIMARS, etc would confront Russia in the event of a war with NATO….
AND……
It’s cheaper to learn how to neutralize them in the SMO…
BECAUSE…
The Ukies are employing them piece meal….
Which gives the Russians time to adapt…
With losses…. surely….
BUT….
Many fewer than being confronted by them in the hands of NATO..
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 15 2023 2:20 utc | 287

An open war with NATO will not feature HIMARS vs. Tornado-S duels.
It goes counterforce nuclear within the first hour, and then probably escalates to countervalue very soon after that.
There is nothing to practice for. All that was achieved by allowing HIMARS to be transferred to Ukraine was to kill a lot of civilians and Russian soldiers.
And making a nuclear war much more likely in the process, by showing weakness and thus enabling further Western escalation.

Posted by: shаdоwbаnnеd | Jun 15 2023 5:24 utc | 320

Why do people assume that VVP must know and/or control every on-ground detail about the SMO? Do they envisage he sits there biting his nails, browsing daily sitreps? Ffs, he’s running the whole of Russia!
A, he delegates. B, he has advisors who think like him. C, he gets intermittent, and no doubt selective briefings. D, he’s got masses of *far more complex geopolitical issues* to deal with than the SMO. Minutae and micro-managing is not ANY President’s job. At least he does engage in such meetings to stay informed (… and to guide such reporters for the good of the mission).
Posted by: The Dolphin | Jun 14 2023 22:12 utc | 227

He wasn’t caught not knowing which of the 50+ different Alexandrovka villages in Ukraine Russia controls, the issue was on a much larger scale. We can only hope he was playing verbal political games once again, because the alternative is indeed too horrible to contemplate.

Posted by: shаdowbаnnеd | Jun 15 2023 5:27 utc | 321

ODESSA
Odessa
https://webcamera24.com/countries/ukraine/odessa/
[webcams= not working]
Odessa. Getting a blast. Or 3. (With seismic graphs)
BREAKING: Third even more massive explosion detected from Romanian station.
2/ This explosion was so heavy it was detected from a German station.
UPDATE: Sensors in Kiev pick up massive explosion in Odessa from 50 minutes ago. [now 3 hours]
https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1669158777415954432
Sound of the explosion uploaded… it sounds like Thomas the tank engine.
https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1669165370152984576
Second explosion.
https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1669174661157113858
Explosion detected all the way out in Armenia.
https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1669175636055953408
Anyone want to check the telegrams?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 15 2023 5:30 utc | 322

I agree with Karlov1 it is difficult to get things published now days anyway if this gets published here is a earth shaking revelation about what is going on inside of Russia.
Posted by: young | Jun 14 2023 14:27 utc | 31
the Russians have been preparing fall out shelters
Posted by: spare_truth | Jun 14 2023 20:47 utc | 178
the US-man FM “Blinken” has announced just today the possibility of an ATOM-NUCLEAR-Strike vs. RUSSIA.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 14 2023 20:50 utc | 181
Russians yet insist upon viewing America with the plastic Disney-esque glow of mistaken cultural superiority,
<= not any longer.. see below Posted by: zinjanthropus | Jun 14 2023 22:14 utc | 229 In short, the military balance between Russia and Ukraine is so lopsided in Moscow’s favor that any assistance Washington might provide in coming weeks would be largely irrelevant in determining the outcome of a conflict should it begin. Posted by: Lex | Jun 15 2023 1:37 utc | 282 Serious people don’t make it to the top because they speak uncomfortable truths or ask hard questions. Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2023 4:49 utc | 310 "By using its nuclear weapons, Russia could save humanity from a global catastrophe: A tough but necessary decision would likely force the West to back off, enabling an earlier end to the Ukraine crisis and preventing it from expanding to other states." The original essay in Russian is here. Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2023 5:05 utc | 313 expanded version of 310. <= yes I think the RT article posted by Karlof1 is an announcement that the war is about to end with a big-bang!!! Sergey Karaganov: By using its nuclear weapons, Russia could save humanity from a global catastrophe — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union https://www.rt.com/russia/578042-russia-nuclear-weapons/
take notice: Russia is talking about using a nuclear attack in selected places.. logic even if Russia wins big in Ukraine nothing will change. very important article.. better read it.
it not what it says, but who said what it says that counts.

Posted by: snake | Jun 15 2023 5:35 utc | 323

CC:
Night strikes on June 15.
As a result of cruise missile and UAV strikes, objects in several regions of Ukraine were hit.
Workshops, repair shops and ammunition depots were affected.
Arrivals in Krivoy Rog, Odessa, Kharkiv, Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration, Sumy, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions were noted.
Ukrainian air defenses, as usual, “shot down everything”, and enterprises traditionally exploded themselves. 😀

Posted by: repost | Jun 15 2023 5:55 utc | 324

Ukraine must take Crimea to prove themselves to NATO, so they must go through Zaporozhye. They will most likely detonate a dirty bomb around the Nuclear Power Plant for cover. They are willing to send their troops through a radioactive cloud. Russia would have to use much of their forces to remove civilians from the area. Russia should go ahead and evacuate civilians around Zeporozye NPP and down wind like they did from the threat of Ukraine blowing the dam.
Posted by: barstool | Jun 15 2023 4:07 utc | 305
Correct. Ukronazi will do whatever it takes to get Nato in / Nato will do whatever it takes to get itself in ukraine. They will have pretty much 0 qualms about causing some sort of disaster for ZNPP and wasting 50k, 100k, 150k or whatever lives to achieve it and cause some meltdown.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 15 2023 6:14 utc | 325

Well, by now you will have understood the idea …

In fact we in India / Bhaarat do go through such treatment often. Famous one was the Greta Toolkit. See these web links:
Greta Thunberg deletes protest toolkit tweet after it revealed global designs against India, campaign underway since at least November: Details
All About Greta Thunberg’s Toolkit On Farmers’ Protest

Posted by: mysuru | Jun 15 2023 6:34 utc | 326

Posted by: repost | Jun 15 2023 5:55 utc | 322
Ukrainian air defenses, as usual, “shot down everything”, and enterprises traditionally exploded themselves. 😀

Posted by: Deeplurker | Jun 15 2023 6:43 utc | 327

The truth is nobody knows sh1t. All the information about this conflict is heavily censored and controlled, and whatever info emerges on the web as “independent research” is specifically created to mislead and create a new form of division in our very crippled and divided society. Wherever I look, I see two sides, one which summarizes their talk in “Ukraine wins”, and the other in “Russia wins”. Everything happening during this conflict without taking into account its real history is out of the context, and its history starts more than 100 years ago with its roots even older, in 1776. They are also people who think they can find the real history on wikipedia, big mistake, you will never find it there, and to get a glimpse of real events that took place in our past you will have to spend months and years in libraries and archives, trying to read as much as you can about a topic and verify every claim about it with multiple sources. Just because you are sitting in front of a display and reading then quoting on here the wikipedian “truth”, only proves your level of ignorance is off the charts.
Now you might be tempted to ask what’s the solution, how can you know the truth about this conflict, and the answer is, you cannot. The best you can do to find only partial facts is if YOU (and I mean you as an interested individual, not someone else) act as independent journalist, go on the front line, and risk your life in a war zone trying to grab anything you can about the fight you witness every day. If you are privileged enough to talk with soldiers and their command, you will get more info about that specific fight and its purpose, but never the whole picture of the conflict. Any other type of information that gets to you outside this process, and you cannot verify with your own tools, is not the truth.

Posted by: Doomslayer111 | Jun 15 2023 6:48 utc | 328

Military summary short summary. AFU is shuffling its units around Zap front line a lot, additionally a few new brigades were deployed in that front line and one in Svatovo – Kreminna front.
What does shuffling units around mean? Trying new attack vectors and focal points or something else, but it doesn’t by itself guarantee a new attack will be any better than last one.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 15 2023 7:06 utc | 329

As a Canadian citizen I want to say that arming #Ukraine is the single best use of taxpayer money for decades. My only criticism is that the west aren’t sending enough, fast enough. Ukraine is paying for political posturing with the lives of their sons and daughters. Do more now

They demand more weapons for Ukraine, so that the “sons and daughters” of Ukraine may even be slaughtered in greater numbers. They do not even hide their motives. The birth rate of these people is apparently to be further reduced. True to the silly motto: “Tanks save lives”. To date, I have not been able to see any article in western media that deals with the socia significance of the high losses among the young soldiers. These humanists are driven by their misanthropy. So the argument of these bots undoubtedly comes from the spectrum of fanatics Supporters of the so called liberalism.
We can observe this constant reproduction of unreality in the tension between the claim and the actual actions of liberals on a daily basis, for example Baerbock in Germany during the discussion about a “National Security Strategy” just from yesterday.

“Security in the 21st century means being able to reliably get essential medicines at the pharmacy. Security means not being spied on by China when chatting with friends or being manipulated by Russian bots t when scrolling through social networks.”

“Russia-Gate” und “Twitter-Files”, what’s more to say? [However, Baerbock’s tale is also an expression of the cultivation in habit of the West’s stand in anti-diplomacy to assert such things and to erect such irrational aggressive enemy images unprovoked. The Chinese and Russians see that, we prefer to be destructive, blind and stupid. Baerbock repeatedly warned in public about the consequences of a military conflict in Taiwan when she returned back from China. The relevant part, i.e. the point of view of her hosts in China was not mentioned and the German media did not even ask. “Help us so that we can solve this question peacefully”, the Chinese said, they want to address the causes, they want to find a solution. So the basic condition is to resolve the contradiction: to officially recognize “one China”, inofficially support separatism and ON TOP militarizing and arming this so-and-so separatism. Baerbock did everything to show the Chinese and us that we cannot be relied on and where we stand…]
Baerbock’s Claim “how we are”:

“One of the greatest achievements of our pluralistic democracy is the protection and mutual recognition of diverse, even conflicting beliefs and opinions.” She also concedes that “in open and democratic societies, trust in their institutions is constantly being won new”. But Germany must strengthen its defense capabilities “against open and covert attacks on our democratic values, also in the European Union” “in the sense of an integrated security” on a “broad social level”

Reality of action “what we do and who we are”:

Together with NATO and the EU, the Federal Government therefore wants to “expand the instruments for early detection of manipulative communication in the information space, improve our resilience and reaction skills and also aim at our ability to convincingly represent our democratic values and our views internationally”. In order to “prevent the spread of radicalizing content via the Internet, illegal content must be identified and deleted even more quickly”. The authors would have to be “identified and held criminally responsible”

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A dystopia created by the architects of the post-truth. They are truly the masters of projection.
This fear of the Russian narrative is understandable because it kinda offers a foundation of coherence, cognition, and reality. In December, German media didn’t even dare to quote Xi when he spoke to German President Steinmeier on the phone. Xi pointed to the constructiveness of a sovereign Germany acting in its own interests and not in those of other powers.
The tragic thing about the liberals is their complete lack of culture and it’s constant negation: “What is German culture, what is that supposed to be?” they have often asked in recent years without answering this question of course. Our faith is supposed to belong to an empty slogan of “liberalism” which they cling to in their own fight against becoming history. I would roughly classify the achievements of the Second World War, a historical awareness of responsibility and historical understanding as a “German culture”. In a matter of months germany has lost decades of it’s culture.
What does this actually lead to – Fragmentation of a fading nation? For sure, one does not wish for a homogeneous solidarity society that looks up. Would Germany today even have the social cohesion forces to be able to wage a [defensive] war? A general in the Bundeswehr recently said that he would like to see soldiers to share the public image of climate activists. A smart and fitting critic, I assume.
Between 3,000 and 4,000 of a total of ~185,000 soldiers in the Bundeswehr have apparently refused to go to war in the past few months as a preventive measure. Apparently they don’t want to fight Russia, it is a question of worldview. The Tageszeitung reported this as a success because they suspected soldiers with “right-wing attitudes” among them. In proportion to the size of the army, the Bundeswehr has “lost” perhaps as many soldiers in the Ukraine conflict as the Russian Federation. It is remarkably that militaries seem sane compared to politics these days.

Posted by: Konrad | Jun 15 2023 7:07 utc | 330

Posted by: mysuru | Jun 15 2023 6:34 utc | 324
Wow! Thanks for this.

Posted by: Tim | Jun 15 2023 7:21 utc | 331

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Jun 14 2023 21:30 utc | 201
So I will do it for them. Time is short. Make your peace, hug your children and those you love because soon, life as you know it is going to end.
Anyone who has any wisdom knows this is true regardless of war or peace.
From the moment we are born we begin to die and life hangs from a thread.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 15 2023 7:25 utc | 332

The more this military stalemate continues the more likely I think nuclear weapons will be needed to resolve it. The Nazis running around Ukraine are as or even more fanatical than the Japanese in ww2.
And we know how they were eventually stopped.
NATO will likely overstep the mark at some point and force Russias hand.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jun 15 2023 7:26 utc | 333

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2023 4:49 utc | 310
I didn’t bother to read it. Sounds to me like that guy is typical of what Martyanov dismisses as someone with zero knowledge of war because he comes from an economic or legal or “foreign policy studies” background, i.e., someone who is essentially uneducated in the real world.. Martyanov has pointed out that Russia has those types just as much as the West does. The author’s CV clearly argues that.
Russia is not going to use nukes unless nukes are used against them. Period. End of story.
Also the bullshit about how Russia can’t deal with western Ukraine or not being able to occupy the country is just that: bullshit. There will no effective insurgency in Ukraine once Russia takes control, demilitarizes the Ukraine military, and brings in its intelligence and police agencies to root out potential troublemakers. People forget this was tried after WWII and failed miserably. And today is not yesterday – the counterintelligence and counter-insurgency capabilities are so much greater.
This author appears to be one of those that I’ve referred to frequently here: someone who subconsciously is afraid that Russia will achieve its maximal goals in Ukraine, and thus proffers the notion of using nukes which is guaranteed to prevent that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2023 7:28 utc | 334

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