New Nord Stream Cover-Up Story Is Based On Dubious 'Leak'
On April 10 some briefing slides for the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff appeared on the internet. They seemed to be genuine. But later a second larger batch was claimed to have come into the hands of so called journalist. I had and still have strong doubts about that second round:
When media reported on the first batch of 'leaked' Pentagon briefing slides they also published pictures of the originals.
Then came a second round which conveniently was more about bashing Russia than on the releases itself. Those leaks were labeled as new or from a previously unknown source. Among those stories were: ...
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We have pictures of the first stash of the files. The briefing slides seem real to me. The language is correct Pentagon lingo. The abbreviations used are typical. But some of the information therein, like the casualty numbers, is dubious. Do the Joint Chiefs of Staff really get briefed with Ukrainian defense ministry numbers that are know to be mere fantasies? The Pentagon and/or the CIA certainly have their own casualty estimates. Why not brief those?We have seen no picture of any slide that the additional stories are based on. Why were those not published?
A plausible explanation is that the first release was a real leak but that someone is now pushing new 'leaks' to dedicated outlets that are only half true or mere propaganda.
Another 'exclusive' in today's Washington Post, allegedly based on the same leak, only increases my doubt about that alleged second stash of documents:
U.S. had intelligence of detailed Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream pipeline
Three months before saboteurs bombed the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline, the Biden administration learned from a close ally that the Ukrainian military had planned a covert attack on the undersea network, using a small team of divers who reported directly to the commander in chief of the Ukrainian armed forces.Details about the plan, which have not been previously reported, were collected by a European intelligence service and shared with the CIA in June 2022. They provide some of the most specific evidence to date linking the government of Ukraine to the eventual attack in the Baltic Sea, which U.S. and Western officials have called a brazen and dangerous act of sabotage on Europe’s energy infrastructure.
The European intelligence reporting was shared on the chat platform Discord, allegedly by Air National Guard member Jack Teixeira. The Washington Post obtained a copy from one of Teixeira’s online friends.
How convenient!
The U.S. had motives and means in place to blow up the pipeline. Seymour Hersh has sources who claim the U.S. did it.
But now WaPo gets its hands on a 'leaked document' that says Ukraine's General Zaluzny was the man in charge of the issue:
The European intelligence made clear that the would-be attackers were not rogue operatives. All those involved reported directly to Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the country’s highest-ranking military officer, who was put in charge so that Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, wouldn’t know about the operation, the intelligence report said.
Zaluzny is in charge of Ukrainian military. He is busy and not the man to run secret missions and to get direct reports from everyone involved in them.
Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s military intelligence chief, or the SBU, the civil intelligence service of Ukraine, would be in charge of such a mission.
(Budanov probably died on May 30 during a Russian attack on the bunker of the Military Intelligence headquarter in Kiev. He hasn't been seen or heard of since.)
The claim that Zaluzny was involved thus makes me even more skeptical.
I am not the only one who has doubts about the new 'leak':
Aaron Maté @aaronjmate - 15:34 UTC · Jun 6, 2023The CIA gave its first Nord Stream cover-up story to the NYT, only fair to give their follow-up cover-up story to the Washington Post.
(https://mate.substack.com/p/in-nord-stream-attack-us-officials)
I will file the Washington Post report in the same 'nonsense' folder as this:
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A 'Russian soldier' ... with a beard?
According to the Chapter 8 Article 344 of the Charter of the Armed Forces servicemen are obliged ‘to regularly bath, brush teeth, cut nails, hair and shave clean’.
Just two months ago that order was reinforced:
The commander of Russia’s forces in Ukraine has ordered soldiers to cut their hair and shave, sparking a row with his bearded Chechen and mercenary allies.
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Western intelligence said that General Valery Gerasimov, appointed overall commander of Russia’s forces earlier in January by Vladimir Putin, was trying to promote more discipline in the Russian army.
The 'Russian soldier' claim is as real as the WaPo's claim about the Ukrainian involvement in the Nord Stream case.
The person in Kiev who tweeted the above clip has probably filmed his neighbor.
Posted by b on June 6, 2023 at 16:32 UTC | Permalink
next page »ah, another step in the new propaganda campaign as the US throws Ukraine under the bus. MY GOD UKRAINE ATTACKED A NATO ALLY!! right after the New York Times rediscovers "apparent" Nazi influences in the Ukraine Army, which they had forgotten about for 3 years or so.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 6 2023 16:45 utc | 2
...the eventual attack in the Baltic Sea, which U.S. and Western officials have called a brazen and dangerous act of sabotage on Europe’s energy infrastructure.
This suggests a growing confidence on the part of 'western officials' that they are going to get away with it, and that the attention of the overall public has been diverted by The Shiny Thing. They certainly would not label the destruction of the pipeline 'a brazen and dangerous act of sabotage on Europe's energy infrastructure' if they believed they would one day be held accountable for it. And what's with this We Will Stand With Ukraine For As Long As It Takes, and force our European allies to hang tough as well even though it was their access to cheap energy which was forcibly removed? I know - let's punish the Ukrainians who blew up the pipelines by giving them even more money and weapons. That will teach them. Got to keep the big picture in mind here.
Just not a coherent storyline at all.
Some new articles have come out during the last month that support Seymour Hersh's version of events. I have added them to my wiki page on the bombing of Nord Stream pipelines. This one is particularly interesting:
Aircraft and Vessels in Seymour Hersh's Nord Stream Story - Andersson Erik, May 22, 2023A summary of the information given below is that Seymour Hersh’s story survives scrutiny based on “open source” information about ship and aircraft movements. Of course it can’t be “proven” (using open source only), that the Alta mine hunter was used to place the bombs, or the P8-A “Poseidon” aircraft was used to trigger them or that USS Paul Ignatius was involved in cleaning the site from unexploded bombs. But we do see in the open sources that all of these vessel types were actually in the right place and the right time to carry out the roles ascribed to them by Seymour Hersh. His story stands this test, and reports of his story being “debunked” by open source information are greatly exaggerated.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 6 2023 16:56 utc | 4
bottom line, Biden people will blame a dead man for nordstream blow-up. They just need to work out which Uke leader wil be tagged. My money is on Budonov since he's probably dead already but Biden people will need to make sure his inner circle is bribed or taken out to assure silence.
Posted by: migueljose | Jun 6 2023 17:02 utc | 5
all they need now is to tie the private yacht to blowing up the dam.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 6 2023 17:12 utc | 6
I refuse to believe US could be upstaged by anyone in blowing up undersea pipelines............it is simply not conceivable..........imagine how terrified they would be in British North Sea and Norwegian North Sea and Gulf of Mexico ..........if someone other than USA had the capability and experience
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2023 17:19 utc | 7
48 year old Ukrainian woman sentenced to €900 Fine by Amtsgericht in Cologne for public support of Russia during a demo
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/gg/art_5.html
Grundgesetz für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland
Art 5
(1) Jeder hat das Recht, seine Meinung in Wort, Schrift und Bild frei zu äußern und zu verbreiten und sich aus allgemein zugänglichen Quellen ungehindert zu unterrichten. Die Pressefreiheit und die Freiheit der Berichterstattung durch Rundfunk und Film werden gewährleistet. Eine Zensur findet nicht statt.
So German "constitutional right" to freedom of thought and speech - is as worthless as it was in the Hitler era although the Weimar Constitution of 1919 ........
Art. 118 Weimarer Reichsverfassung: „Jeder Deutsche hat das Recht, innerhalb der Schranken der allgemeinen Gesetze seine Meinung durch Wort, Schrift, Druck, Bild oder in sonstiger Weise frei zu äußern. (…) Eine Zensur findet nicht statt…“
provided Freedom of Speech and Thought............
So we are back in 1943
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2023 17:26 utc | 8
re: All those involved reported directly to Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the country’s highest-ranking military officer, who was put in charge so that Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, wouldn’t know about the operation, the intelligence report said.
General Zaluzhnyi has been missing for a month; perhaps he refused to lie.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 6 2023 17:27 utc | 9
Zaluzny is in charge of Ukrainian military. He is busy and not the man to run secret missions and to get direct reports from everyone involved in them.
I mean, you could argue that there was no greater imperative than to try and escalate and trap/involve the Western powers by say blowing up NordStream otherwise you're just overseeing a lost war waiting for the US state department to decide when it's had it's fill of Ukrainian blood tribute.
But even if you take for granted that the Ukrainians conceived and did this on their own, the US/Poland allowed it to happen and therefore approved of it.
Posted by: Altai | Jun 6 2023 17:39 utc | 10
German intelligence claims it had to have been a state actor.
CNN insinuates it might have been Russian naval vessels.
Washington post claims there is no evidence of Russian involvement after 3 months.
Investigation by several European nations concludes but claims perpetrators cannot be revealed.
NYTimes spill the beans that it's pro-Ukraine non-state actors breaking the pact that perpetrators should not be revealed.
German media and intelligence finds the boat with which the bombing was conducted several months after the investigation concluded.
German intelligence now changes it's mind by claiming that it is a non-state actor months after the investigation concluded.
BBC and Netherlands media find new evidence it could be the Russia contracting the NY Times, US and German intelligence.
Russia, China, Brazil demand independent investigation in the UN which is refused by the west.
NYTimes reports more evidence it could be either Ukraine or Russian actors who are opposed to Putin, knows their political views but not their names.
US leaked documents now reveal the pro-ukraine group are working for Ukraine's military general, a state actor and the narrative switches between state to non-state a record seventh time.
While I gave a gist, someone could gather all the western media and "intelligence" reports, put them all together, publish the contradictions and let's open a bottle of whiskey and have laugh riot!!!
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Jun 6 2023 17:50 utc | 11
My first thought when reading this was: So Zaluzny is already dead or on the brink of death. Easy scapegoat if he cannot defend himself anymore.
Posted by: Ernesto | Jun 6 2023 17:58 utc | 12
speaking of actors, Zelensky explains it as any actor would . . .
Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
This is just one day of Russian aggression. This is just one Russian act of terrorism. This is just one Russian war crime. Now Russia is guilty of brutal ecocide. Any comments are superfluous.
The world must react. Russia is at war against life, against nature, against civilization. Russia must leave the Ukrainian land and must be held fully accountable for its terror. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 6 2023 17:59 utc | 13
(Budanov probably died on May 30 during a Russian attack on the bunker of the Military Intelligence headquarter in Kiev. He hasn't been seen or heard of since.)Indeed, there is every reason to believe Bodanov died during that attack. Zaluzhnyi has been absent even longer, except for some very strange short video clips that should not convince anyone.The claim that Zaluzny was involved thus makes me even more skeptical.
I could be wrong, but I think they are most likely both gone.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 6 2023 18:04 utc | 14
b - thanks for this and the previous post...
bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit..
we are living in a narrative management world right now, with the cia and friends in the control center.. that is the sad reality..
Posted by: james | Jun 6 2023 18:05 utc | 15
@ Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2023 17:26 utc | 8
germany certainly is!! canada is working hard to get their too..
Posted by: james | Jun 6 2023 18:07 utc | 16
We now know why 15 FAB-500 kg Glide Bombs were dropped on the village Velika Novoselka yesterday.
( 15 )
https://twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1666091375358779395
Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 6 2023 18:09 utc | 17
today's example of narrative management bs.. this stuff is off the charts...
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/49440?single
Posted by: james | Jun 6 2023 18:19 utc | 18
Thanks b. Well spotted!!
I've no serious quibbles with your best guess, or those of the barflies. But I would like to add a guess of my own.
What if it's becoming so obvious that Ukraine couldn't fight its way out of a paper bag, and provoking Russia was the dumbest act of self-sabotage in the history of warfare, that its New Best Friends have decided to enhance its reputation by pretending that that it did something requiring Courage AND Skill?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 6 2023 18:25 utc | 19
Zaluhski and Budonov were conveniently eliminated so they could take the whole blame for the NS2 destruction.
Posted by: Virgile | Jun 6 2023 18:51 utc | 21
"The Biden administration received an intelligence report that Ukraine had a plan for an attack on the Nord Stream pipelines three months before an underwater explosion disabled the natural gas link from Russia to Germany, the Washington Post has reported.
A European intelligence service told the CIA that the Ukrainian military was planning an attack using a small team of divers who reported directly to the commander in chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, the paper reported."
"The six-person team reported directly to General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the report claimed, so that president Volodymyr Zelenskiy would not know about the operation."
"A small team of divers". What were they, dolphins?
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jun 6 2023 18:53 utc | 22
“So German "constitutional right" to freedom of thought and speech - is as worthless as it was in the Hitler era although the Weimar Constitution of 1919 ........”
Pardon the OT, Mr. Greenwood, but what you imply is fact: The Hitler regime never abrogated the Weimar constitution. It derived all its authority from the emergency powers granted under Article (IIRC) 48.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 6 2023 19:04 utc | 23
Have they explained why no one in Washington DC told Zelensky?
Also this leak was apparently made in February but the first entirely different version of 'Ukraine did it' was published in March.
Posted by: SB | Jun 6 2023 19:57 utc | 25
SB no. 25
"Have they explained why no one in Washington DC told Zelensky"
Er, no.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jun 6 2023 20:06 utc | 26
Thanks b.
I do not know about what did CIA knew about anyone's plan to do anything to the North Stream or Kerch Bridge or whatever covert thing that was and will be. Nobody really knows, as a compartmentalized intelligence agency has various filters on various levels on such sensitive information. So access to one “Deep Throat” is not 100% reliable, and Hersh should and might know that.
Hersh claims of fore-planted explosive with remote activation via dropped buoys. All right, it is doable, but there is no proof as there was no investigation done that is independent and transparent.
But, the German story of Bavaria 50' sail boat can compete with the best of Grimm's fairy tales.
To put up a deep-dive equipment and hundreds of kilos of explosive on board is not possible on such boat. That is, if you go under 50 m.
So Germans are pointing at Ukrainians that blew NS?
And CIA didn't know and US was appalled by it?
Let us be very clear – this was done by the USA (how is not important).
Who knew this is about the same level of question, as who knew about 9/11 before it happened.
On the other side, if such installation is critical to the untrusted partner, I would imagine a nice-to-have feature with inbuilt 200 kg of RDX or C4 every 100 km.
I doubt RF did so.
Posted by: whirlX | Jun 6 2023 20:26 utc | 27
I would say Grayzone creditability has eroded. I mean really, right before this story! What are the odds?
Posted by: Donald W. | Jun 6 2023 21:13 utc | 28
Zaluhski and Budonov were conveniently eliminated so they could take the whole blame for the NS2 destruction.
Posted by: Virgile | Jun 6 2023 18:51 utc | 21
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Virgile, I think you are absolutely right, depending on how you actually phrase it.
I suspect that BECAUSE Zaluhski and Budonov were conveniently eliminated by the Russians, the CIA and the Biden White House (and probably Germany and Norway as well) saw a great opportunity to let dead generals them take responsibility for the whole NS2 destruction: Case Closed as the say about the JFK assassination.
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Posted by: Ed | Jun 6 2023 21:16 utc | 29
"....let dead THE dead generals THE take responsibility...."
Sorry about that, I failed to proofread.
Posted by: Ed | Jun 6 2023 21:22 utc | 30
Simplicius76 wrote that there's a rumour that even if Zaluzhny’s alive, he's been sacked by Elensky and is under some kind of arrest; but Elensky can't openly announce his dismissalbecausehe's very popular with the troops. This would be a good time to blame him so he can be formally dismissed.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 6 2023 21:26 utc | 32
Posted by: migueljose | Jun 6 2023 17:02 utc | 5
My 5 cents take is :
Zaluzhny was slated to replace Zelenskyy. Russia disrupted this plan by incapacitating Zaluzhny.
Budarov was next choice to replace Ze. Plans were hatched and docs etc created to pin blame on Zaluzhny, stories released.
Boom! Russia's taken out Budarov, and US is left with Zelenskyy who has zero creditability with anyone including fair weather friends.
Posted by: Suresh | Jun 6 2023 21:57 utc | 33
Washington Post: "All those involved reported directly to Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the country’s highest-ranking military officer, who was put in charge so that Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, wouldn’t know about the operation...."
The passive voice is a clear clue of the unreliability of the "leak." Zaluzhnyi "was put in charge." OK. By whom? The article doesn't say or hint. It is enough to simply say this somehow happened to make it true?
Back in March, the Russians dismissed Ukrainian involvement, indicating the U.S. as a primary suspect. From Al Jazeera:
"The Kremlin last week described the claims about Ukrainian involvement in the explosions as part of a cover-up by the West."
The U.S. has lied about so much for so long, the basic assumption is that anything that comes from U.S. government sources is suspect.
Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Jun 6 2023 22:42 utc | 34
They can do all the song and dance routines they want, but everyone in the world knows who was behind this attack. Well perhaps everyone in the world but the ignorant and brainwashed pubic in the Western World.
The world won't forget either. Nor will the world forget the outright theft of Russia's money.
Joe Biden and the other psychos in Washington have sown the seeds of America's destruction, and those seeds are growing rapidly.
Posted by: JustAMaverick | Jun 6 2023 22:46 utc | 36
As you can see, hundreds if not thousands of pro Russian Twitter feeds are now cherry picking the Western media " IF " it massages their own confirmation bias.
That's a huge mistake to make. They should just ignore it and say " Yeah sure, we know who really did it "
Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 6 2023 22:50 utc | 37
It just reminds me of George Galloway for decades saying " countries should have the right to self determination and be free independent nation states. "
Unless that countries name is Scotland of course. That's the hypocritical landscape you always find yourself in. When you cherry pick the news as much as George does to prove a point. Apart from he is also stupid enough to believe English tax payers fund Scotland.
Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 6 2023 22:58 utc | 38
Posted by: Donald W. | Jun 6 2023 21:13 utc | 28
?? The Grayzone's credibility is eroded ??
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 6 2023 23:00 utc | 39
The only information you can believe in a Washington Post article is the date at the top .. and probably best to double-check that too.
Posted by: TEP | Jun 6 2023 23:01 utc | 40
Still waiting for someone to ask Sholz about this nonsense.
He'll be in trouble in either "scenario":
Scenario 1. The US did NOT share its "Intel" with Germany.
This would be akin to the US stabbing its Primary EU + NATO partner in the back.
Selling them and their Economy out, on behalf of Ukraine
Scenario 2. The US DID share its "Intel" with Germany.
Sholz committed de facto Treason against his Nation, its Industry and Citizenry.
He could be subject to No Confidence, and Indictment.
Posted by: The Archivist | Jun 6 2023 23:10 utc | 41
Note the trade craft similarities with MH17.
Although the only possible motives were pure accident or deliberate false flag by the losing side, western media immediately went with the idea that the Russians did it (long before any evidence had been assembled).
Then somehow a crazy story of how a BUK travelled through the night into Ukraine and then straight out again with only the dodgiest of social media evidence was presented as proof that Russia must have done it rather than one of the 3 or 4 Ukrainian BUKs in the area.
And a US statement by John Kerry claimed to have seen the launch of the BUK missile but convenient did not (and still haven't) stated where that launch was. This allowed the JIT all the time in the world to match the social media concocted by Bellingcat to a launch site without being limited to anything the Americans might actually have described.
Whole thing stitched up as a JIT report with no explanation of any evidence or even a description of how bits of BUK were found (presumably by Ukraine intelligence services), or who identified the BUK as Russian.
(Come the court case many years later the JIT report was read out, a bland letter from a US colonel about the launch having been bserved was read out, and none of JIT, Ukrainian intelligence or US colonel were allowed to be questioned at all.
Rinse and repeat...
Posted by: mickey Dr | Jun 6 2023 23:19 utc | 42
The best way to avoid the hypocritical minefields placed everywhere. Is stay true to yourself at all times, even if your enemies are massaging your confirmation bias. They are only doing it to decapitate you later, on topics that really matter.
Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 6 2023 23:19 utc | 43
The quote "In war, truth is the first casualty" cannot be reliably attributed to anyone because it is ancient.
Any one, believing anything, any side asserts as truth, is a fool.
So if the shoe fits, wear it.
Posted by: Longhorn | Jun 6 2023 23:34 utc | 44
Convenient for the US to say that "European intelligence" attributes the order for the sabotage of Nordstream II pipelines to General Zaluzhny, without naming which European intel agency might have passed on the information. That in itself might suggest that the middleman party is a major part of the fiction. More smoke and mirrors, more hugger-mugger cover-up!
By now, the US probably doesn't care much at all about who heads the SBU and who heads the Ukrainian armed forces, especially if (as suspected) both Budanov and Zaluzhny are now in an incommunicado state. The important thing perhaps is to put distance between itself and any other acts of terrorism and sabotage that may be committed, and to protect Zelensky until such time as he reaches his use-by date which must be coming sooner rather than later.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jun 6 2023 23:40 utc | 45
ZelensKy :
** Now Russia is guilty of brutal ecocide. Any comments are superfluous.
The world must react. Russia is at war against life, against nature, against civilization.**
Daily Telegraph 6 june 2023:
** Water companies not monitoring most ‘emergency overflows’ of raw sewage
Sewage discharge into UK’s rivers may be ten times higher than previously thought according to research by the Marine Conservation Society **
Rivers, lakes and beaches full of raw sewage -- pumped out not because of emergencies, but because it is more profitable for the (private) companies to do so.
Britain has literally become a cesspit.
Posted by: Cynic | Jun 6 2023 23:53 utc | 46
Will Schryver weighs in.....
https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1666216756124463105?cxt=HHwWgsDRufnTy58uAAAA
Will Schryver
@imetatronink
‼️ Russian Ministry of Defense battle statistics over the past few days only seem excessively exaggerated to those who have failed to take into account the tactics currently being employed by both the Russians and the Ukrainians.
Using multiple APC trips, the AFU shuttled whole battalions to geographically constricted zones on the front lines, leaving the poor suckers for long periods of time without any heavy fire support, and only when the infantry placement was completed did they then begin to move their mobile firepower to support them.
The Russians seemed to perceive the plan, and waited until the maximum number of infantry was concentrated ... and then they rained down fires from the sky, inflicting huge losses on them.
In addition, the Russians have, over the past several days, identified locations behind the lines where reserves were being assembled to support any possible breakthrough, and done things like drop 15 500kg precision-guided glide bombs on a single concentration of forces, blowing dozens or even hundreds to smithereens in a matter of minutes.
I believe relatively few observers of this war appreciate the degree to which Russian firepower has grown in weight, frequency, and accuracy over the past several months.
The Ukies are getting creamed...
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 7 2023 0:04 utc | 47
I said when the leak first happened that it would be used to pre-vet future disclosures. Essentially, anytime that the US wants to 'release' some dubious claim with out any backing it can just say that it was a new document from the leak that just came to light.
But what is most interesting here is the timing. This new claim that Zaluzny did it and Washington knew three months in advance would normally big a big deal in the news cycle, but falling right after the Ukrainian offensive and the dam failure it isn't going to receive as much scrutiny.
I suspect that there will be another big event, like the dam failure, in the next day or two to divert any more attention away from this story. It will go down on Wikipedia and with the MSM as confirmation of the official narrative. The US may suck at fighting wars these days, but they are still great at PR.
team10tim | Jun 7 2023 0:09 utc | 48
*** US may suck at fighting wars these days, but they are still great at PR.***
No need to be particularly good at it, given near enough total control of mass-media.
Posted by: Cynic | Jun 7 2023 0:19 utc | 49
microsoft news is stiĺl running USA intelligence had information Ukraine was planning nordstream. im sortof suprised no estae journalist doesnt due the next obvious question , which is if we believe that version why didnt they stop them if they knew. lol did i ask too much of a modern investigative reporter
Posted by: hankster | Jun 7 2023 0:20 utc | 50
Derek Henry@38
This is unfair, Galloway's position on Scotland, right or wrong, is more nuanced than the caricature you offer.
Two points that he makes are obviously worth thinking about. The first is his critique of the SNP as being another neo-liberal party, committed to the EU, and to NATO and intent on living up to the old charge that it is a party of Tartan Tories, with nothing to offer the working people of Scotland except the cheap nationalism that they grew out of centuries ago.
The second point he makes is that the SNP is part of a strategy to split the British working class and to enable the power of the neo-liberals in their, almost completed, campaign to eradicate all the gains, in terms of social security, regulation of the economy and the rights of Trade Unions and citizens in order to increase the extent of exploitation.
It has to be said that, with the exception of having protected Israel and the US by breaking the socialist parliamentary tradition in Scotland, nothing that the SNP has done in its years of considerable power has contradicted George's warnings.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 7 2023 0:36 utc | 51
I am a local to Norfolk VA Metro. At least, once a week I pass a shipyard with a LHD in drydock.
Best way to do a Nordstream type op is with a LHD and UDT (sub specialty of USN Seals). I have said so here before a few times. Ye'all have to figure out what is needed to execute them there details. Experience mmatters.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 7 2023 0:49 utc | 52
And what about the mystery boot found on the sea floor near the damaged pipeline? Apparently it looks a lot like the ones that US Navy divers use...
Posted by: farm ecologist | Jun 7 2023 0:51 utc | 53
@tram10tim 48 and Cynic 49:
They are not good at it at all, but they do not care. The stories they peddle are absurd, but they make no attempt to make them credible, because the stories are deliberately stupid. Believing these ludicrous stories is a loyalty test.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 7 2023 1:20 utc | 54
@tram10tim 48 and Cynic 49:
They are not good at it at all, but they do not care. The stories they peddle are absurd, but they make no attempt to make them credible, because the stories are deliberately stupid. Believing these ludicrous stories is a loyalty test.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 7 2023 1:20 utc | 55
That the Imperialist States of Amerikastan is now trying to blame NordStream on Zaluzhny is as close as it comes to an admission that he's dead or as good as dead or under arrest. In any case he's in no condition to defend himself.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 7 2023 1:31 utc | 56
"To be America's enemy is dangerous. To be America's friend is deadly".
Henry Kissinger
Posted by: Dferg | Jun 7 2023 2:15 utc | 57
-b- thanks for post- agree with you how lame this is, every single day some new “plot”… honestly, must be film crews with fantasy writers running the West, we’ve been taken over by a fiction simulator.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 7 2023 2:32 utc | 58
Western military intelligence already knows that the lastest and greatest Ukrainian offensive has failed and will continue to fail. They know from the failure of the recent AFU's offensive that they can not defeat Russia on the ground using their proxy of Ukraine.
From this point, the USA and the rest of NATO will quickly shift away from supporting Ukraine's ground offensive. This will open the door for the Russian forces to quickly take the Donbas and Zaporizhzhia. Most likely the West's excuse to cut back support for Ukraine will be their corruption and mismanagement of the expensive war effort.
All blame is now going to be shifted upon Ukraine, including the take down of the NORD STREAM. Any and everything that the West can blame Ukraine for, they will.
Soon, the West will greatly reduce or stop their support of the AFU. Instead, the West will prepare for a false flag event blaming Russia for a nuclear incident. This will give the USA their justification for a full scale nuclear launch against Russia.
Yet, the Russians will beat the West to the launch. This will allow Russia to achieve the first strike advantage which is substantial in nuclear war.
Posted by: young | Jun 7 2023 2:32 utc | 59
53 Cinderella red herring boot. All divers must come to the castle to see if it fits .
Posted by: hankster | Jun 7 2023 2:59 utc | 60
I do believe the best story dissapeared quickly . German media and a few low level /iq politicians floated. A fisherman accidentally caught an old ww2 sea mine in a net and dragged it onto the pipe. 3 times and simultaneously In different locations . That story died quietly and for good reasons
Posted by: hankster | Jun 7 2023 3:03 utc | 61
did anyone fail to notice the daily shock releases from the stolen Bush administration? As bad as the previous scandal may have been, they would follow up with more horrific disclosures the next day, and the day after that. It almost seemed like a free and inquisitive press was on the job. They were, as they always have been, on their knees doing what they were told by those who wanted people reeling from Shock and Awe while their very real crimes were never truly addressed.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Jun 7 2023 3:17 utc | 62
NS2. Joe. Gloating to media. “There will be no NS2“
Hapless hack: How will you do that?
Joe. Sinister smile spreading sinisterly across his silly sundial. Sidekick Scholz/Schultz sycophantically shuffling.
Joe: “I promise you. We can do that”.
Case closed.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 7 2023 3:23 utc | 63
The stories they peddle are absurd, but they make no attempt to make them credible, because the stories are deliberately stupid. Believing these ludicrous stories is a loyalty test.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 7 2023 1:20 utc | 54
That makes complete sense, well sleuthed! A loyalty test that requires repeating and supporting the lies no matter how bizarre, until gradually this causes so much cognitive dissonance that the lies are accepted as true.
Posted by: K | Jun 7 2023 4:23 utc | 65
ZH has a posting up with the title
Tucker's Back! In Triumphant Return, Demolishes Ukraine Dam Propaganda, Massacres MSM For Ignoring UFO 'Bombshell Of The Millennium'
Tucker Carlson has pulled his finger out of the Western MSM dike and the results will make the Nova Kakhova dam breach travesty look mild in comparison.
Watch the 10 minute introductory Tucker Carlson show on Twitter...no link
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 7 2023 4:34 utc | 66
The counter offensive jig is up. Just inefficient kamikaze suicide now.
There are probably, surprisingly, people in Pentagram and intel community who understand this that there won’t ever be a chance to get better force balance ratio and it’s only losing game. MSM is running BS status quo for counter offensive narrative and Biden will forget and dump Ukraine to be problem of UK and EU. It serves a secondary purpose to weaken and make them more dependent on US, anyway.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 7 2023 4:41 utc | 67
K@65
You are right, Biswapriya Purkayast made an important and profound observation. The truth is that such loyalty oaths are becoming increasingly frequent. Both the Me Too movement and the multi gender craze are examples of the insistence, by those controlling society, that we all publicly subscribe, with straight faces, to nonsense on request from above.
There is nothing new about this. It used to be a requirement of every citizen to swear belief in the Holy Trinity, a concept which it is almost impossible to understand, let alone subscribe to sincerely. And yet those who refused were often burned at the stake, imprisoned, tortured and otherwise encouraged to think again.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 7 2023 4:53 utc | 68
The stories they peddle are absurd, but they make no attempt to make them credible, because the stories are deliberately stupid. Believing these ludicrous stories is a loyalty test.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 7 2023 1:20 utc | 54
They are absurd to us, but they aren't aimed at us. They're aimed at the 90% of the population that doesn't bother to check sources and think critically.
Most Propaganda Looks Nothing Like This
https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/most-propaganda-looks-nothing-like
Caitlin pointed out the infamous vial of yellow powder that led the US to invade Iraq and contrasted that with everyday coverage, the overton window, omissions, and denials, etc.
When we think of propaganda we think of the little yellow vial, not the continuous coverage of identity politics or covid scaremongering.
MSM coverage looks like garbage to us, but the fact is that huge swaths of the western world take it at face value. I'm sure that all of you bar flies have met people that think Putin hacked the DNC, the vaccine is safe and effective, Ukraine blew up Nord Stream, etc.
"Will the Ukraine war lead to a new Suez moment for the EU?" Under that hadline I just published a new article, outlining how political scientists send false messages to the world. The piece's main argument is that a protracted war in Ukraine could lead to a new 'Suez moment' for the EU. The Union is in danger of losing its global political identity, becoming even more dependent on the US and sliding into unprecedented poverty.
The link is: https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/06/07/leidt-de-oekraine-oorlog-tot-een-nieuw-suez-moment-voor-de-eu2/
Posted by: Paul-Robert | Jun 7 2023 5:38 utc | 70
So now the Daily Mail is reporting that the Ukrainian government is warning that Russia may try to blow up the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station next. So we all what that means...
Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 7 2023 6:47 utc | 71
For the record, I agree 100% with b's assessment of the fakery of these leaks.
However, Budanov is/was the head of the GUR, not the SBU.
Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Jun 7 2023 7:08 utc | 72
What does it matter who did it? It was bound to happen anyway.
That Russian troops were caught out by the flash floods and had to evacuate after the fact is enough to clue you in.
In other news, I hope Zelenskky is nominated for the Hero of Russian Federation. No, seriously, the "organist" pianist has single handedly manage to do all these things.
https://cluborlov.wordpress.com/2023/06/07/vladimir-zelensky-russian-hero/
Posted by: Suresh | Jun 7 2023 7:33 utc | 73
These loyalty tests are above all a feature (not a bug) of totalitarian societies. It serves 2 purposes. 1. Every time a person is forced to actively commit to a nonsensical claim he is forced to give up on his own judgement, thus making him more inclind to blindly believe the authorities and less likely to ever insist on the right to be an individual person. Succesfully implemented most people would do anything to avoid the cognitive dissonance that arises out of the question "does this claim make any sense"? 2. It is a constant reminder to the opposition of who is in charge causing stress and fear in the outliners.
Posted by: Orgel | Jun 7 2023 7:34 utc | 74
Scholz committed de facto Treason against his Nation, its Industry and Citizenry.He could be subject to No Confidence, and Indictment.
Posted by: The Archivist | Jun 6 2023 23:10 utc
I completely agree Archivist. I saw a viral video on DW I believe where a crowd heckled and taunted Scholz. He exploded by saying that everything is Putin's fault, that he is a warmonger, when the crowd roars "you are the warmonger." I would add high treason too. The polls are confirming the freefall in the coalition's fortunes and the rise of the AfD. The Greens have sunk to 13% or thereabouts. Olaf Scholz was always an oaf but I had no idea just how he could lose sight of Germany's minimal economic interests.
Posted by: Stierlitz | Jun 7 2023 7:46 utc | 75
It looks like the illegal US government is trying to was its hands off Ukraine, especially off Zelensky. Zaluzhny is out, Budanov is out, and a few more...
Posted by: ostro | Jun 7 2023 7:54 utc | 76
Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2023 17:26 utc | 8
If you continue reading, it says:
(2) Diese Rechte finden ihre Schranken in den Vorschriften der allgemeinen Gesetze, den gesetzlichen Bestimmungen zum Schutze der Jugend und in dem Recht der persönlichen Ehre.
Meaning there are exceptions to freedom of speech, such as slander or expressing disbelief about the Holocaust. Another thing that is illegal in Germany is to express support for crimes and that is the law they have been using against people who speak out in favor of Russia since the start of the war. So even though this is obviously political persecution, the persecutors are technically following the law.
Posted by: Hamburger | Jun 7 2023 8:02 utc | 77
Hamburger | Jun 7 2023 8:02 utc | 77
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In Buddhism, there is no ever-powerful god, but in certain countries in the EU/NATO it is illegal to say that there is no god, for that would be "offending the religious feelings of others".
Posted by: ostro | Jun 7 2023 8:24 utc | 78
The destruction of Kakhowka dam by the Ukrainians was a tactical and political mistake by NATO. All the dams in the river Dnieper was built by the Soviets, meaning by Russians, as the Soviets were generally called by the "West".
The Ukraine and the NATO would pay for that destruction, one way or other. I still say that the SMO will only conclude after the capitulation of the Ukraine (and NATO), and when it finishes, Kiev oblast will have to be connected to the Russian Federation. Prawoslavny Russians, by the way, won't forgive the desecration of Pechersk Lavra in Kiev few weeks ago.
Posted by: ostro | Jun 7 2023 8:58 utc | 79
Daily Mail is reporting that the Ukrainian government is warning that Russia may try to blow up the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station next. So we all what that means...
Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 7 2023 6:47 utc | 71
I think dirty bombs are much easier to do for natoids than blowing up ZNPP. Or they can target an NPP close to Poland where they have full control, then blame it on Russia. Duda really wants to do better than Zeli but lacks public support to kamikaze his country like Ukr did. He's looking for things to do until a plan is found, for the moment there are 500 daily shells over Belgorod (tass.com/emergencies/1628853) and the Russian tank biathlon expert has no idea how to stop it, pretends it doesn't exist.
But some in Russia also think ZNPP might be next:
tass.com/russia/1628727, tass.com/politics/1628665, tass.com/defense/1628661
Posted by: rk | Jun 7 2023 9:01 utc | 80
Posted by: bevin | Jun 7 2023 0:36 utc | 51
" This is unfair, Galloway's position on Scotland, right or wrong, is more nuanced than the caricature you offer. "
I know Bevin I was in the heart of the debate and was interviewed by the BBC after putting on events in both Glasgow and Edinburgh. For a free and independent nation state - free from Brussels and NATO.
https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=MMT+Scotland
I understand money Bevin because I studied it for 20 years now. For 4 hours every week night for years.
You can't deny what George does. George invokes the national debt myth, the deficit myth and the tax payer money myth to scare people to get his point of view across.
He uses the framing and narratives of his enemy the Tory and neoliberal globalist gold standard, fixed exchange rate brigade. Which are the foundation stones of laffer curve austerity driven economics. The economics of colonialism.
I know exactly what the SNP are like as we spoke with Kieth Brown the number 2 in charge. We spoke with people very close to George Galloway. Some of his very close friends he interviews on his shows. Chris Williamson and many others.
Yet George continues to go down the Andrew Neil route. invokes the national debt myth, the deficit myth and the tax payer money myth like confetti.
He is terrified if the truth about money ever gets out then Scottish voters will realise that Scotland can be a free, independent nation state. Galloway is a hypocrite.
Oh, and we spoke with Corbyn's top team who were flooded with neoliberal globalists. The gold standard, fixed exchange rate brigade. Run by the liberal metropolitan middle class- Simon Wren Lewis and Jonathon Portes. The Oxbridge brigade.
Brighton Labour Party Fringe Event with Chris Williamson – full audio coverage
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=43245
Q&A from British Labour Party Annual Conference Event, September 2017
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=37265
The New Keynesian fiscal rules that mislead British Labour – Part 1
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=38776
The New Keynesian fiscal rules that mislead British Labour – Part 2
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=38779
A summary of the meeting with John McDonnell in London
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=40659
The millions of us who now understand how money works Bevin stopped listening to George Galloway years ago. He is a crack pot who uses his enemies narratives and framing.
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=43678
I know what is going on I was in the heart of the beast and repulsed by what I saw. Attacked the SNP ever since. However, I stay true to myself and the facts and grab them by the scruff of the neck and attack them head on. Ask them to debate the issue.
I NEVER EVER use my enemies narratives and framing to do so. Galloway is a hypocrite of epic porportions.
Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 7 2023 9:05 utc | 81
Bevin
We were the ones holding the SNP to account.
B>https://billmitchell.org/blog/?s=Scottish+independence
Oh Scotland, don’t you dare! – Part 1
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=39501
Oh Scotland, don’t you dare! – Part 2
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=39506
Using facts not our enemies narratives and framing
Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 7 2023 9:29 utc | 82
State Department Deputy Spokesman Vedant Patel declined to comment on a December 2022 article in The Washington Post that indicated that the AFU was shelling the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station with American HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems.
Well?
Posted by: ostro | Jun 7 2023 9:29 utc | 83
bevin | Jun 7 2023 0:36 utc | 51, who addressed DH@ 38’s attempted character assassination of George Galloway.
Thank you once more for contributing to my adult education, it’s much appreciated. Derek stick to your tax preoccupation, but perhaps ask why money and taxes confuse modern populations rather than continually proselytise.
Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 7 2023 1:20 utc | 55, who wrote;
“Believing these ludicrous stories is a loyalty test.” Worth repeating IMO thank you. Apparently adding my praise to both, K@65 and bevin@ 68 (and to bevin's example I would add the periodic requirement to declare loyalty to Roman emperors/empire to bevin’s example as an illustration of how old the play-book is).
Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jun 7 2023 10:32 utc | 84
Daily Beast used preach non-stop "Ukraine winning, Putin losing". Narrative changing:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/terrifying-secret-putin-war-now-083212064.html
Posted by: Revelo | Jun 7 2023 11:27 utc | 85
Our resident MMT loon ignores the fact that Scotland has the remnants of a Central Bank inside LloydsTSB and its own two flags plus banknotes worthless outside Scotland and a tax policy to call its own
It has no foreign currency reserves and cannot use BofE reserves as collateral. It has no definition of Scottish nationality or passport eligibility
It is free to issue Non-Sterling Currency as U.K. firms can post accounts in any currency they choose but taxes are due in Sterling
I think Scots could be paid in Darien Vouchers
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 7 2023 11:28 utc | 86
Bevin ,
Did you know ??????
The Scottish consolidated fund doesn't really exist - not in the way that the Northern Irish one does. As ever it's a Gordon Brown illusion.
Section 64(8) of the Scotland Act 1998 states:
"The Fund shall be held with the Paymaster General", which essentially means that it is just a departmental budget account like the one DEFRA uses and which is held,these days, with the Government Banking Service.
Similarly section 64(2) states:
"The Secretary of State shall from time to time make payments into the Fund out of money provided by
Parliament of such amounts as he may determine." - which means that Scotland only has access to funding that the Secretary of State has specifically allocated to the Scottish Parliament.
Strictly speaking Scottish Ministers only have the right to set a Scottish income tax rate, but any income that is raised goes into the UK Consolidated Fund not the Scottish Consolidated fund - as required by the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act of 1866.
"Other" taxes Scotland collects have to be transferred to the Scottish Consolidated Fund, However, HM Treasury can 'designate' those receipts - requiring them to be paid back to the UK Exchequer.
Which means Scotland runs much like the BBC. The BBC is actually funded by a grant-in-aid, but also has a job to collect tax on behalf of the UK government.
The Scottish parliament is much the same, except that the Scottish parliament can increase and decrease the taxation a
bit.
A sufficiently wily UK chancellor could simply starve Scotland of spending capacity if they wanted to - without even having to change the law - assuming they could withstand the political stink. Which they have been doing for over a decade now.
However,if the Scottish Parliament and the UK Parliament were of the same political party then it would be straightforward to re-centralise.
The agreement at present is that HMRC essentially guesses what the amount of Scottish income tax has been collected, tells HM Treasury and HM Treasury then marks up the Scottish Consolidated Fund with that amount to cover what is known under the Fiscal Framework as 'assigned taxes'.
They guess because they can't measure it as both Scottish government spending and tax collection flows across borders into the rest of the UK and ROW. Scottish government spending leaks out of Scotland into England -because of the trade deficit with England. The Barnett formula puts that back, and the requirement for a quasi balanced budget in Scotland
ensures that circulation can't get too far out of whack.
If Scotland ever started running a budget surplus, then the Barnett formula would be cut back, or Treasury would start designating further receipts.
This is the VERY IMPORTANT part. ALL income taxes collected throughout the UK end up in the UK consolidated fund. The UK consolidated fund gets reset to zero every night of the week. So it starts with a zero balance for the next working day.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7JJJcB3X3ag&pp=ygUkYWNjb3VudGluZyBtb2RlbCBvZiB0aGUgdWsgZXhjaGVxdWVy
What does this mean ?
The taxes are lost forever gone vanished. It is impossible and no accounting exists that allows taxes to be respent back into the economy.
They ISSUE -----> Then COLLECT -----> Then DESTROY what they collected. Like a football or concert ticket.
How many voters know that. Did you know that Bevin?
They don't know it because they never looked. Instead like George Galloway they shout and wave ideologically driven placards around.
It's disgusting bordering on insanity !
Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 7 2023 11:29 utc | 87
Archivist @41
Indeed. Both options are pretty bad and of the two the second scenario is worse, at least in my eyes.
It is very very difficult to get Germans to look at things this way given the way the mainstream media marches in lockstep to protect the sacred narrative.
As a Brit I have much more leeway to commit 'thought crime'here. Sad.
However the American media for all it's faults is less under control than the UK or Germany where no dissent is tolerated. God bless Seymour Hersch.
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jun 7 2023 11:52 utc | 88
Bevin,
The only difference between us and them is we switch our TV's and internet off and shred newspapers and magazines.
Instead we go and take a look and study what actually happens. The balance sheets , the assets and liabilities.
https://gimms.org.uk/2021/02/21/an-accounting-model-of-the-uk-exchequer/
That cuts right through the ideological drivel and allows us to see their gold standard, fixed exchange rate BS from a million miles away.
That's the difference.
Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 7 2023 12:02 utc | 89
"...It's disgusting bordering on insanity !" Derek Henry@87
Indeed.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 7 2023 13:27 utc | 90
From Grayzone; The M/s Baltic Explorer went to the NS blast position,with a special robotvehicle and find that special diver's boot, maybe belonging to a US diver.The Swedish investiga-tors missed it,The Good News it is the Swedish police! Unprofessional performance, and 1 boot on the bottom is better than 10 boots on the shore.US is the culprit.
Posted by: Reader | Jun 7 2023 14:17 utc | 91
If one is interested in the "russian soldier" source, he can be found on his telegram channel : Тринадцатый.
It's in Russian in case someone wonder
Posted by: w | Jun 7 2023 15:02 utc | 92
@92 (myself)
Also forgot to mention he is a cossack volunteer, not a Russian soldier
Posted by: w | Jun 7 2023 15:05 utc | 93
"
Three months before saboteurs bombed the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline, the Biden administration learned from a close ally that the Ukrainian military had planned a covert attack on the undersea network, using a small team of divers who reported directly to the commander in chief of the Ukrainian armed forces.
"
I be guessin' that some of the big Deutsche corps that are sukkin' wind these days
have told their US "parnders" they want that pipe fixed and they don't care who or how.
This looks like an attempt by the Guvermint there to dump the co$t off on Ukraine.
Thinks Randy Newman: It's Money that Matters.
Posted by: Fubar El Haq | Jun 7 2023 15:08 utc | 94
I don'y know how it ends (not being a Racket News subscriber) but this is how Matt Taibbi begins his story "Does anybody believe US propaganda anymore?"
"This is getting silly now.
"At 10:52 a.m. yesterday, the Washington Post published an exclusive called, “U.S. had intelligence of detailed Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream pipeline.” The story contended the United States learned from a “European intelligence service” in June, 2022 that Ukraine was planning a “covert attack” on the Nord Stream pipeline, using divers who “reported directly to the commander in chief of the Ukrainian armed forces,” General Valery Zaluzhny. Apparently, U.S. and European allies knew about the Ukrainian plan and were impotent to stop a move they worried “risked a severe Russian response.”
"The only people in the country who didn’t roll eyes or laugh at these latest anonymous contortions were reporters. “Americans Were Aware of Intelligence Warning of Ukrainian Pipeline Attacks,” wrote the New York Times, while Rolling Stone declared, “The U.S. Knew Ukraine Was Planning to Attack Russia’s Nord Stream Pipelines,” and so on. My favorite was the Godfather-themed header on the site of former Mother Jones writer Kevin Drum, “Ukraine was behind the Nord Stream bombing all along”:
Posted by: bevin | Jun 7 2023 19:34 utc | 95
Carlson certainly makes some points I agree with, but he’s not right about everything. I put up with the blather that Ukraine blew up Nordstream, the bullshit cover story the U.S. wants the world to believe, and apparently Carlson is gullible enough to buy it, but I had to quit watching when he said that some “whistleblower” claiming UFOs are real was “obviously telling the truth”. Oh, so he couldn’t possibly be lying? Show me evidence, don’t just blow a whistle, I don’t come to conclusions nearly as easily as Carlson does. After the Ukraine part of it, I was considering sending the link to other people, but by the time I quit watching, there was no way I would have something that embarrassing to anyone.
Posted by: Dalit | Jun 7 2023 20:37 utc | 96
The USA blew up nordstream. Any additional information is just white noise, disinformation, projection. Russia and it's partners will hold USA accountable for infrastructural costs and lost revenue in entirety. This is a very large debt. It does not disappear. What is disappearing is the viability of NATO and the influence of USA.
Posted by: Diego | Jun 7 2023 21:17 utc | 97
Show me evidence, don’t just blow a whistle, I don’t come to conclusions nearly as easily as Carlson does. After the Ukraine part of it, I was considering sending the link to other people, but by the time I quit watching, there was no way I would have something that embarrassing to anyone.
Posted by: Dalit | Jun 7 2023 20:37 utc | 96
Actually the whistle blowing is being done by Carlson, Dog Whistling that is. The UFO meme is a whistle to the alt right, ensuring that he herds the gullible right voters in much the same way that Q did.
Some truth mixed in with a distraction/deception.
9/11 truthers anyone? Its not about whether something is true or not its about not getting sucked into the endless intentional "rabbit holes" that keep people busy, distracted and dumb.
Anyway good call on your part imo.
Posted by: K | Jun 7 2023 21:41 utc | 98
Smart operators, and Tucker seems to be one of those, choose winning sides.
Sure he used to be a firm friend of government and authority, and an uncompromising Cold Warrior and Islamophobe. But that was when he thought that the side that he was born on (his family were Cold Warriors I believe) always won, because it had the most soldiers and the best weaponry and the cleverest Academy and the 'best tunes.'
He's changed his mind now. He's backing another horse.
Its the one I've been backing all my life. Its good to see him doing the same. And re-assuring to watch the the Empire losing its backers. There just isn't enough money in Murdoch's pocket to make it worth while being a well paid rat on the MV NewsCorp.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 7 2023 23:46 utc | 99
when I was a kid i believed that ufo's were real alien crafts, and dinosaurs still roamed somewhere in South America.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 7 2023 23:53 utc | 100
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Beyond lame and false.
But idiots will dutifully lap it up as truth and regurgitate it.
Posted by: jpc | Jun 6 2023 16:41 utc | 1