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June 21, 2023

And Then Biden Blew It ...

The talks Secretary of State Anthony Blinken had in China were somewhat useful. On his way out he at least used the right words on Taiwan:

'We do not support Taiwan independence,' America's top diplomat said in Beijing after meeting with Chinese president Xi Jingping.

The U.S. had practically begged for the meeting and that it took place is itself a small success:

To stabilise their relations, China and the United States must first arrest a downward spiral. That may turn out to be the achievement of US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s talks with Chinese leaders in Beijing. It was unrealistic to expect any more just now. The negative fundamentals of the relationship remain the same. Both sides described Blinken’s talks with Foreign Minister Qin Gang and top diplomat Wang Yi as “candid” – meaning very frank. But they paved the way for a meeting between Blinken and President Xi Jinping, which did no harm to hopes for a Xi- Joe Biden summit.

Along with Qin’s acceptance of an invitation to Washington, that suggests the two sides found some common ground – particularly the need for more stable ties and to reduce the risk of military conflict.

Then, within just 24 hours, President Biden blew it:

US President Joe Biden has called Chinese President Xi Jinping a dictator at a fundraising event in California.

His remarks came a day after US Secretary of State Antony Blinken met Mr Xi for talks in Beijing, which were aimed at easing tensions between the two superpowers.

Mr Biden also said Mr Xi was embarrassed after an alleged Chinese spy balloon was shot down by the US.
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"The reason why Xi Jinping got very upset, in terms of when I shot that balloon down with two box cars full of spy equipment in it, was he didn't know it was there," Mr Biden said at the event on Tuesday.

"That's a great embarrassment for dictators. When they didn't know what happened," he added.

The Chinese government was not amused:

China's foreign ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning called Mr Biden's remarks "extremely absurd and irresponsible". Speaking at a regularly scheduled press conference on Wednesday, she said that the comments were "an open political provocation" that violated diplomatic etiquette.

The whole Biden remarks with regards to China from the White House website:

And so, things are changing. We put together in Southeast Asia — and, by the way, I promise you we’re going to — don’t worry about China. I mean, worry about China, but don’t worry about China. (Laughter.)

No, but I really mean it. China is real — has real economic difficulties. And the reason why Xi Jinping got very upset in terms of when I shot that balloon down with two boxcars full of spy equipment in it is he didn’t know it was there. No, I’m serious. That’s what’s a great embarrassment for dictators, when they didn’t know what happened. That wasn’t supposed to be going where it was. It was blown off course up through Alaska and then down through the United States. And he didn’t know about it. When it got shot down, he was very embarrassed. He denied it was even there.

But the fo- — did — the very important point is he’s in a situation now where he wants to have a relationship again. Tony Blinken just went over there — our Secretary of State; did a good job. And it’s going to take time.

But what he was really upset about was that I insisted that we — we reunite the Qu- — so-called Quad. He called me and told me not to do that because it was putting him in a bind. I said, “All we’re doing — we’re not trying to surround you, we’re just trying to make sure the international rules with air and sea lanes remain open. And we’re not going to yield to that — on that.”

There are several issues in there that need some clarifying.

China has no real economic difficulties, just minor issues:

The Chinese economy this year is expected to grow faster than previously forecast and exceed the government's target of "around 5%," according to a survey of local economists.

A survey of 28 economists in March revealed that, on average, they expect the Chinese economy to grow 5.4% in 2023, up from 4.7% they forecast in December. The survey was jointly conducted by Nikkei and Nikkei Quick News.

The hope for China this year was 6% GDP growth. China's central bank just lowered a key interest rate by a small margin to achieve that.

Biden acknowledges that the weather balloon was 'blow off course' and thereby debunks previous claims that it was steerable. China had no intent to let the balloon cross Canada and the United States. And if there had really been 'two boxcars full of spy equipment' on the balloon why hasn't the U.S. shown any of it?

Why would or should a president of the U.S. or China know of some weather balloon floating somewhere?

Xi was embarrassed by the circus the U.S. made over that affair?

Xi is a dictator? The man came to his post by merits (scroll down) and through a complex representational election system. He can even be dismissed.

Xi denied that the ballon was where it was to whom? And the U.S. would know about that how?

Then comes the tale over the Quad. Biden claims that Xi called him over a quad meeting which is most likely a blatant lie. There are typically read-outs of phone calls between leaders at that level but I do not find any of a Xi-Biden call during the relevant months on the White House website. Nor was there any news of one.

The Biden talk, made official by posting it on the White House site, is an insult to China. Whatever Blinken has said or done to smooth the relations is no gone. It was already known that the U.S. can not be trusted with anything that it says. What counts is what the U.S. does and there it has so far shown no positive move towards China.

I am not sure that Biden intentionally talked about the balloon incident or was selective with his words on China. But even if it was somewhat accidentally it would not change anything. What matters is the effect. He has sabotaged the results of Blinken's talks in China and the U.S. will rightly be blamed for again worsening the relations.

As Yves Smith summarizes:

I wouldn’t bet on the minimal commitments from the meetings, like a return to pre-zero Covid levels of passenger flights, to be implemented.

The worst is that this insult does not simply demonstrate that the US is incapable of diplomacy. It shows we are so interested in dominance that we’ve lost sight of what our interests our. So institutionally, we are engaging in the same sort of self-destructive behavior that Trump practices personally. Perhaps that is the real reason Democrats hate him. Despite decorating in gold, the essence of his behavior is not all that different than theirs.

Posted by b on June 21, 2023 at 15:40 UTC | Permalink

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thanks b... this is the problem having a buffoon for president in the usa... problem is there are a lot of buffoons running countries these days, although russia and china don't fall into this category... i am embarrassed as a canuck too fwiw.. no leaders anywhere in sight!

Posted by: james | Jun 21 2023 15:45 utc | 1

You insult the Chinese over a balloon.
(That was very hard to shoot down.)
You ask them repeatedly for a chance to talk.
It's granted out of courtesy more than anything to say of importance to the messenger boy sent.
He says let's put the balloon business behind us!
Talks were, "productive",!
On the return home his boss starts screaming about Chinese dictator.
Is there ANY individual that can be termed a "statesman " in the US government apparatus?
Anyone with a modicum of ability to understand what they are doing?

Posted by: jpc | Jun 21 2023 15:50 utc | 2

The tail doesn't know what the head is doing and neither the tail nor the head know what the dog is doing. That's the way of the United States these days. There is no shred of coherency and politicians just blab whatever feels good in front of a crowd. What is the leadership of a country with coherency in foreign policy to make of the torrent of BS that pours forth from US leadership when it's all ad hoc spewing as though coming from the drunk next to one at the bar who's unloading his drunken stream of consciousness blather.

Posted by: A. Pols | Jun 21 2023 15:51 utc | 3

Thanks for the posting b.....LOL!!!


The shit show will continue until it doesn't and the end is looking closer now.....and the RoW is watching closely

Liberace grifters one and all....with apologies to Liberace

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 15:52 utc | 4

Thanks for the posting b.....LOL!!!


The shit show will continue until it doesn't and the end is looking closer now.....and the RoW is watching closely

Liberace grifters one and all....with apologies to Liberace

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 15:52 utc | 5

Thanks for the posting b.....LOL!!!


The shit show will continue until it doesn't and the end is looking closer now.....and the RoW is watching closely

Liberace grifters one and all....with apologies to Liberace

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 15:52 utc | 6

Remember when Kerry would meet with Lavrov, make a deal, come home and then say the exact opposite?

The same thing just happened, but with the President sabotaging the results. It is an insult to everyone's time and effort.

China and Russia should cease all diplomatic discussions with anyone but a strong US president. US diplomats can't do diplomacy because they embody US arrogance and belligerence, they have no power to make binding agreements, and the the US political system and culture is incompatible with normal great power relations. There is no consistency.

The only practical hope for diplomacy with the US in the near term is a Trump Presidency, which cleans out the "swamp" in order for Trump to do diplomacy on his own. That's a sad reality, but it's the only possibility for a change of course.

Posted by: Ringo | Jun 21 2023 15:55 utc | 7

Liberace grifters one and all....with apologies to Liberace

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 15:52 utc | 6

What's a Liberace grifter PH?

Posted by: jpc | Jun 21 2023 15:55 utc | 8

No big surprise at all.

I was waiting for this.

As the Russians say:

"The Americans are Non-Agreement Capable"

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 21 2023 15:56 utc | 9

Another hard-hitting, on point article. Thanks.

The way the West, especially USA, is behaving of late is beyond surreal and more like a B-grade TV Series.

Except the script-writing for such would be far more believable.

Maybe things have always been this corrupt.
But at least they used to put on a better show.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 21 2023 15:57 utc | 10

As far as I can remember, it was always US had called China. Xi did not call Biden for once.

Biden is senile, he is imagining things, lost his memories.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jun 21 2023 15:57 utc | 11

Let Biden say the thing that some people here automatically label as "trolling".

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jun 21 2023 15:58 utc | 12

we are so interested in dominance that we’ve lost sight of what our interests our.

I d/n think the members of the USA have a clue the interest important to the USA? Until "the subject or the narrative" under consideration is approved by those who control the privately held, stock market promoted, global corporations that do business around the world there does not seem to be an interest outside of getting the incumbents reelected.

Maybe the trip, or its outcome, was not fully approved?

Posted by: snake | Jun 21 2023 16:00 utc | 13

"On his way out he at least used the right words"

Indeed Blinken did not!

The Secretary underscored the importance of maintaining peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait and reiterated there has been no change to the U.S. one China policy, based on the Taiwan Relations Act, the three Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances.

https://www.state.gov/secretary-blinkens-visit-to-the-peoples-republic-of-china-prc/

The Taiwan Relations Act and the Six Assurances are unilateral creations of the United States and are resolutely rejected by China.

Yang Tao, an official from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, pointed out that the US' characterization of the peaceful resolution of the Taiwan question as the core content of the "one-China policy" is a distortion of its political commitment.

..Whether it's the "Taiwan Relations Act" or the "Six Assurances to Taiwan", both were concocted by the U.S. unilaterally, are not the consensus of both China and the U.S., and have been firmly opposed and not recognized by China from the start, the Chinese official said.

https://twitter.com/qingqingparis/status/1671344629424488449

Blinken came straight from his meeting with Xi to make this statement at his press conference from the US Embassy in Beijing.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 21 2023 16:02 utc | 14

After the meetings with Blinken, Global Times published an editorial that I linked to here saying the test for the Outlaw US Empire would be to see if its "credibility" improved. And here it is, "It's time to test US' credibility again". The test has clearly ended in failure and in almost record time. The time stamp on the editorial is Jun 20, 2023 12:42 AM. Do please take the time to read the editorial.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 16:10 utc | 15

The China summary of the Blinken-Qin discussions deserves a read here including:.

Qin expounded on China’s firm position and raised clear demands on the Taiwan question and other core interests and major concerns. Qin pointed out that the Taiwan question is the core of China’s core interests, the most consequential issue and the most pronounced risk in the China-U.S. relationship. The Chinese side urged the U.S. side to abide by the one-China principle and the three China-U.S. joint communiqués, and truly deliver on its commitment of not supporting “Taiwan independence.” 

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 21 2023 16:17 utc | 16

Biden further lowers the reservoir of good will between China and the USA that had been getting filled since Nixon's visit. China is too polite, and too conscious of political fallout, to simply say they discount Biden's remarks due to his advanced age. Even that would be a polite way of saying "because he is senile".

Meanwhile, Russia's governmental ministers smile, thinking there's even less chance now of impediments to trade. Not to mention Biden being such a loose cannon that a consideration granted today would be portrayed by him tomorrow as his forcing China to knuckle under, like he famously bragged about doing in regards Ukraine's prosecutor of Burisma.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 21 2023 16:18 utc | 17

I think the Chinese know fine well that Washington cannot be trusted, as do many other nations.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 21 2023 16:21 utc | 18

No big surprise at all.

I was waiting for this.

As the Russians say:

"The Americans are Non-Agreement Capable"

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 21 2023 15:56 utc | 9

Of course it isn't a surprise that Biden showed the Americans aren't agreement-capable. The surprise is how fast it happened. In earlier time, you sometines had to wait for some months before they reneged on the commitments they made. Now the door hadn't even closed behind Blinken before Biden destroyed whatever had been achieved in China.

If Blinken were a serious politician, he would hand in his resignation.

Posted by: Martina | Jun 21 2023 16:23 utc | 19

I think you have to keep in mind that this is an 81-year-old man with clear signs of dementia. That he's being allowed to act as the ostensible commander in chief is a sign of advanced empire decay.

See: Nero, Caligula.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 21 2023 16:23 utc | 20

I wouldn’t say Biden “blew it” at all. If his intention was to restore peaceful respectful relations with China, then sure, what he said had the opposite effect. But if his intention, made clear in U.S. actions for several years, is to start a hot war with China in order to pump up the profits of U.S. war machine manufacturers, then he’s still exactly on course to achieve that. What he said about President Xi and the weather balloon merely serves to reinforce the effect of actions that included shooting down the weather balloon in the first place, Pelosi’s visit to China without permission from China, sending military equipment to China without permission from China, and on and on. Everything they’ve done for years points to an intent to start a war, and his latest remarks just confirm it.

Posted by: Dalit | Jun 21 2023 16:25 utc | 21

In response to
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What's a Liberace grifter PH?

Posted by: jpc | Jun 21 2023 15:55 utc | 8
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Google Liberace....

I was riffing on the comment from Susan Webber/Yves Smith about Trump

So institutionally, we are engaging in the same sort of self-destructive behavior that Trump practices personally. Perhaps that is the real reason Democrats hate him. Despite decorating in gold, the essence of his behavior is not all that different than theirs.

Another reason for adding one more comment here is to point out that calling Xi a dictator is a dog whistle to the red side of the US money mafia from the blue side. The reds have to be supportive, don't they?...the reds are historically the China bashers

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 21 2023 16:27 utc | 22

Well, DJT certainly had Joe figured out when he refered to him as Sleepy.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2023 16:29 utc | 23

Biden is a demented warmonger, long down the road to dementia. He must step down.

And Blinken did something very similar. In a phone interview with NPR, he reiterated all the US criticisms and blamed Chinese aggression for the growing "tensions", and said US policy towards China had not changed.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Jun 21 2023 16:34 utc | 24

I would rather put it this way:
“The worst is that this insult does not simply demonstrate that the US is incapable of diplomacy. It shows that our president is a complete moron.”

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jun 21 2023 16:43 utc | 25

Biden, Blinken et al have been hiding behind The Pentagon's apron strings for so long that nobody, even the Generals can take them seriously any more. And the result is no longer funny.
Patrick Lawrence goes into detail at Consortium News
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/06/20/patrick-lawrence-us-still-nowhere-with-the-chinese/

Biden's nonsense had to happen at a Fund Raiser. It was the grandparents of these fat oligarchs who started the entire shit show back in 1944, when, led by the Pendergast machine, they replaced FDR's V-P Wallace with their own man- and the original of Biden's current role, Harry Truman.
After him, with the Dulles brothers, things just got worse. But the original error, underestimating China and the Chinese people, has been the constant factor.
So far it has cost Korea about three million and Indo China (Korea Mark II) even more. And that was only the beginning.

Because the real costs have been far more than the tally of corpses left by the bombers over villages without air defences- it's been in the diversion of resources from hospitals and schools, irrigation schemes and arable land reclamation, pensions for the poor and libraries for the young, care for the old and help for the handicapped. The whole process of peaceful development and reparation for centuries of neglect and plundering from above- the causes for which Chinese peasants, by the million, fought invaders, kleptocrats, psychopaths spreading deadly pathogens, for national independence and a return to the road of progress their ancestors had charted.

Biden made be mad but so far nothing he has come up with is new. It is the same nasty message that has been cat-nip in US elections since McCarthy discovered that the State Department was full of traitors- or what the rest of the world know as sensible grown ups- so immersed in 'Communism' that they believed-the horror of it- that it made good sense to negotiate rather than attack.

Eighty years of US hegemony has added up to eighty years of racism in high places- an actual inability to wrap their tiny brains around the idea that people with high cheek bones and slightly different skin colours - like Chou or Nehru, Soekarno, Ho or Nasser- were their equals and probably superiors. And here we have the President of the "Free World" singing for his supper and telling idiots with cheque books what they are accustomed to hearing.
And the world groans as it reflects "Maybe it won't be Joe, it could be Kamala." Perhaps even Trump or de Santis.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 21 2023 16:45 utc | 26

@23
Biden hasn't changed much at all.
Oct. 1, 2020
Stanley McChrystal, a Top General Fired Over Insults to Biden
WASHINGTON — On the day it was published in the summer of 2010, the Rolling Stone article electrified Washington in a way that almost seems quaint by today’s news standards: The commander of American troops in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, and his aides were quoted privately mocking several government officials. One McChrystal aide referred to Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. using the phrase “bite me.” . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 21 2023 16:45 utc | 27

only Biden can protect us from weather balloons. he fights weather balloons over here so we don't have to fight them over there.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 21 2023 16:48 utc | 28

I can hardly wait to hear what Tucker Carlson has to say about this. It reminds me of David Letterman's Great Moments In Presidential Speeches segment when Bush II was pretending to be Prez.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2023 16:51 utc | 29

I was hoping you'd catch this, b. I looked at Muslim Brotherhood Media (al Jazeera) this morning, saw the headline, threw my hands in the air and mouthed (currently at work), "what the absolute fk?"
This rather underscores the notion that Biden is not calling all the shots, as has been the case with every president since FDR.
Thanks for keeping it real, b.

Posted by: robjira | Jun 21 2023 16:55 utc | 30

America's democracy has two parties ceaselessly vying with one another to be xenophobically jingoistic.

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Jun 21 2023 16:57 utc | 31

Told you so. (For those who read my comment on yesterday's post "US admits defeat...", if any)

The neocons/deep state/whatever they're called who want to maintain (the now delusion of) American hegemony aren't going to go down without a fight.
A REAL fight.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Jun 21 2023 17:18 utc | 32

Reading through the remarks of Jens Stoltenberg, there is "clear-eyed" vision inside the military might of NATO [re: United States] to declare war on China, as the rightwing forces would prefer to put the communist symbolism on New China: the CCP. A decade of all out war on the Left, Socialism and piecemeal leftovers of Communism.

I came across the NATO press conference of the Madrid Summit. How fitting, the capital of the Franco regime ... the guardians of the nations would be proud, their children Barroso, Borrell et all. Never forget Barroso hosting the last meeting on Azores with Spain’s Jose Aznar, days before the invasion of Iraq by U.S. and UK allied forces in defiance of the UN Charter and every conceivable International treaty or law. Destruction, murder and rampage with impunity. Same politicians still present to set policy to confront Russia and China.

Jens in Madrid and Antony in Beijing with a "clear-eyed" vision of war

I hate the expression "clear-eyed" as NATO SG uses it in every meeting with the press to lay out the NATO narrative of the War in Ukraine.

The NATO Bucharest Summit of 2008 was a declaration of war on the Russian Federation, as is the NATO Madrid Summit a declaration of war on the People's Republic of China. The old man expresses his deepest thoughts. More than a warning, policy set in stone.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 21 2023 17:19 utc | 33

The entire American government is insane.

Posted by: Sentient | Jun 21 2023 17:21 utc | 34

The ineptitude of the Brandon administration is astounding. Every time you think they've reached the bottom, they find a new low.

Posted by: Monos | Jun 21 2023 17:26 utc | 35

"... but don’t worry about China. (Laughter.)"

It's a screenplay written by a nine-year-old. I am already deeply cynical about the cognitive abilities of western leadership, but I had to check the source before I would believe the infantile morons in the Biden admin actually included the stage directions in the transcript. This childish nonsense is really at, or even below, the cognitive/emotional level of taunts crafted by elementary schoolers on the school playground.

Yes, Xi is embarrassed, but not for himself. The embarrassment is the sympathetic sort one feels when a supposed peer reveals himself to be an infantile fool. It's the embarrassment one feels when someone else shows their ass without seeming to even realize it. That is not something for the ass-exhibitionist to gloat over and brag about, but what else can you expect from these mouth-breathing morons running the West?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 21 2023 17:28 utc | 36

Biden is not in control of his faculties. He’s a pants-pooping senile man who surrounded himself with self-indulgent woke lightweights. He make gaffes and insults that are unprecedented - such as calling Saudi “pariahs” and then begging them for more oil.

Biden’s addled mind is more dangerous than a weapon of mass destruction.

Posted by: A A Ron | Jun 21 2023 17:50 utc | 37

@William Gruff | Jun 21 2023 17:28 utc | 35
re: I am already deeply cynical about the cognitive abilities of western leadership

Opinions differ: I am deeply impressed with the cognitive abilities of Blinken and Sullivan to consistently promote their lies with absolutely no deviation into anything sensible or truthful. I couldn't do it.

So I did the natural thing and looked it up on the web, quote: "However, of the most common motives for telling lies, avoiding punishment is the primary motivator for both children and adults."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 21 2023 17:51 utc | 38

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Jun 21 2023 17:18 utc | 31

The neocons/deep state/whatever they're called who want to maintain (the now delusion of) American hegemony aren't going to go down without a fight.
A REAL fight.

This is what you call a "Real Fight" ?

"Not with a bang but with a wimper ..."

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 21 2023 17:52 utc | 39

Bottom line:

If China wants to wear the big boy pants it'll have to defeat America in the pacific and roll back the results of ww2. Nothing less will work, except for hoping the US has to step back without being pushed.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jun 21 2023 18:01 utc | 40

Global Times has two articles related to the Blinken visit, "Chinese FM clarifies position on US-claimed ‘rules-based intl order’" and "US tampering with political commitments on one-China policy", the latter providing the essence of what Don Bacon provided in his comment @26 above. The first article's emphasis is on communication but begins thusly:

"Communication does not mean only seeking one's own concerns while ignoring the concerns of the other," said Yang.

A statement on Sunday by a US State Department spokesperson said that Blinken said the US will "work with its allies and partners to advance our vision for a world that is free, open, and upholds the rules-based international order."

Yang said that the original intention of President Xi Jinping in advocating a community with a shared future for mankind is to maximize international solidarity and cooperation to jointly address global challenges.

"China is the first country to sign the UN Charter. It is the creator, defender and beneficiary of the current international order. Why should China change the existing international order?" said Yang.

"Some people always talk about the 'rules-based international order.' What rules are they based on? If it is the UN Charter, China has no problem. If it is the rules formulated by a handful of countries, China, as well as many other countries, will find it difficult to agree," Yang said.[My Emphasis]

The bolded text is the first time I've read China invoking that rather important fact.

The second item echoes what Don Bacon provided:

Yang said that the Taiwan question has always been the most important issue in China-US relations. The US has made a clear commitment on one-China by acknowledging there is but one China in the world, Taiwan is an inalienable part of China's territory, and the Government of the People's Republic of China is the sole legal government representing the whole of China.

"These commitments are clearly reflected in the three China-US Joint Communiqués, which also means that the US recognizes the real status quo in the Taiwan Straits, that is, there is only one China in the world, and both sides of the Taiwan Straits belong to one China. The US calls it the 'one-China policy,'" said Yang. [My Emphasis]

I expect China to pound on the bolded issue to see if the US says that isn't what it means. If the US does that, expect the situation to escalate. Will Team Biden try to say the One-China Policy doesn't mean what China says it means? If it holds to form, it will do just that.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 18:02 utc | 41

Don Bacon @37

You give them far too much credit. These fools are not promoting lies. They are instead promoting delusions that they hold to be self-evident truths (being self-evident means they don't have to test the veracity of those "truths"). They are so insistent with the nonsense they spew not because they are such skilled actors but because they are morons who truly believe their own bullshit.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 21 2023 18:03 utc | 42

Just one other gaffe in a long line of gaffes ... timing of this one priceless.

The US doesn't really do diplomacy.

No surprise to anyone.

To be fair to the man - putting him up for re-election is simply elder abuse for the benefit of his MIC-neo-con controllers.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 21 2023 18:05 utc | 43

Another possibility is Blinken and Biden playing "good cop, bad cop" with the Chinese.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 21 2023 18:07 utc | 44

Are you surprised, b?

This has been the pattern ever since Biden took office: the State Department says one thing, he says another, the State Department or the White House staff try to clean it up, the Chinese look at the administration as a bunch of liars and people they can't trust.

I don't know how many times this has happened in the last 2-1/2 years. You weren't paying attention, b.

Mercouris said yesterday that the way he read the Chinese readout of the Blinken visit is that the Chinese have offered ONE more time for dialogue with the rest - and if the West does its usual, that will be the end of diplomacy.

Well, as Martyanov likes to say, "There you go!"

No one should be surprised. This is a deliberate policy on the part of the US to keep the Chinese irritated and off-balance while they send weapons to Taiwan and the Pentagon prepares to fight a war with China by 2025, as a general has already stated.

There was nothing accidental about this. It is standard duplicitous US foreign policy.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2023 18:07 utc | 45

I do not quite agree with B that Xi achieved his position on merit, if merit is defined as being an outstanding performer of great accomplishment.

His resume is certainly impressive, however:

Something incongruous in Xi's resume as linked to by B:

1975—1979 Student, Tsinghua University, Chemical Engineering Department Beijing Municipality
1974 Joined, CPC
1969—1975 Cultural Revolution, Sent to do manual labor Shaanxi Province, Yanchuan County

OK. No record of his schooling preparing him to do a rigorous 4 year chemical engineering degree.
Born 1953, from the age of 16 to 22, he was reputedly a manual labourer, but still did a chemical engineering degree in 4 years? BS. Impossible. During the years before entering university, he must have been in school, not doing manual labour, but studying calculus and science in order to pass the entrance examinations. If not, his degree would be bogus. But it is not. His career after university testifies to strong connections to persons of influence, therefore it is the claim that he spent all that time in manual labour that is bogus.

He has never worked as an engineer. He is not a professional engineer, he only has a bachelor's degree, an excellent achievement, but it takes much more to be a professional engineer.

After graduation, ALL of his work was in administrative/political positions.
These could not have been obtained absent sponsorship/connections.
His achievements in these positions, and his progression onwards and upwards to more responsible positions I believe owes more to his capacity to deliver results favorable to his sponsors and his development of his own political skills and connections, and sponsorship of persons junior to him than to any actual accomplishment of real value..

Posted by: ltexpat | Jun 21 2023 18:07 utc | 46

The biggest trick the devil ever pulled was convince people the Blinkens of the world don't work for him.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 21 2023 18:11 utc | 47

I doubt Biden understood the significance of what he said. Quite likely some staffer gave him this text.

Posted by: Wim | Jun 21 2023 18:15 utc | 48

Neofetalfudster: ".... [China will] have to defeat America in the pacific and roll back the results of ww2"

To use the punchline from the famous joke, "Patience, jackass. Patience."

You are correct, though. China will have to militarily defeat the US, though my belief is this will happen in the South China Sea rather than the Pacific. This will not be too big of a problem for China.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 21 2023 18:15 utc | 49

his capacity to deliver results favorable to his sponsors

@ ltexpat | Jun 21 2023 18:07 utc | 45

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Who are the "sponsors" of the Communist Party of China?

Posted by: too scents | Jun 21 2023 18:18 utc | 50

I'm surprised that you, b, a bona fide journalist/blogger, would take Biden's casual utterances seriously enough to launch a thread on this esteemed blog for discussion. What Biden just did was typical of 99.9% of US politicians, mentally shallower than teacup saucer, never aware of deeper intricacies and consequences of what best to, or not to, say. Even the most mature among the present cabinet, John Kerry, is prone to utter idiocies from time to time.

How does Biden's utterance hurt China as a nation? Zilch! I don't think China would give much of a damn what Americans think of China. They know already. They are aware of the brainwashing that's been administered since the fall of the Berlin Wall. They have accepted the status quo as inevitable. They'll just poke fun at some of the most outrageous faux pas and pay no further attention. It's the American society that bears the more serious consequences: dumbing down of both their own mass media and their masses.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 21 2023 18:18 utc | 51

By the way, the manner Biden talked at the California fundraising event was precisely the way Trump has done against Democrats/Iran/NKorea/China/Russia et al since 2015 at every redneck assemblies, campaign hooprahs, fundraisers, and press conferences. That's how he won over 70 million rednecks. That's the way to win over American hearts at the grassroot level these days.

If you don't talk bitchy in public, you ain't got it, and you won't win national offices. This is the West of today.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 21 2023 18:28 utc | 52

Posted by: ltexpat | Jun 21 2023 18:07 utc

Xi was able to study in the countryside and didn't do hard labour for his entire time there.

As far as his degree goes university in China in the 1970s is not comparable to any western experience. Students had their time regimented in a military style.

This is a video by a Singapore diplomat explaining to American grad students that the Communist Party of China is a meritocracy and that's why they are outperforming the rest of the world at the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOEFbtLM45k


Posted by: SB | Jun 21 2023 18:32 utc | 53

Posted by: A. Pols | Jun 21 2023 15:51 utc | 3:

The tail doesn't know what the head is doing and neither the tail nor the head know what the dog is doing. That's the way of the United States these days.

The dog is always busy making turds in its body. The head feeds the turd machine and the tail spews them. Yup, that's how it is here, today. Bwahahahahaha!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 21 2023 18:34 utc | 54

@ karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 18:02 utc | 40
re: I expect China to pound on the bolded issue to see if the US says that isn't what it means. . .both sides of the Taiwan Straits belong to one China. The US calls it the 'one-China policy

There are only two options, Taiwan is either a part of China or it is independent (as Taipei has claimed, supported de facto by the US). The latter is out de jure, so the former is in. Taiwan belongs to China. (I doubt that giving Taiwan back to Japan would fly.)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 21 2023 18:36 utc | 55

In "realpolitik" the main question is simply "so what are you gonna go about it?" The PRC elites are just making too much money from exports to the USA, so for now they are now just going to stamp their feet, and then fold.

Of the whole story the funniest, in-your-face mockery of Xi, was the claim that:

“All we’re doing — we’re not trying to surround you, we’re just trying to make sure the international rules with air and sea lanes remain open”

In the 1941 "War and Peace Studies" the USA government specifically made a list of all the worldwide sea lanes and related straits and choke-points that the USA Navvy had to be able to close post-WW2 to establish imperial dominance after taking over the English Empire (and the french and indonesian one, while they never bothered the portguese empire because it was largely worthless).

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 21 2023 18:36 utc | 56

When Chinese Foreign Minister Yang said China was the first nation to ratify the UN Charter, I assume he was referring to an action of Nationalist China, official name the Republic of China.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 21 2023 18:39 utc | 57

Posted by: Sentient | Jun 21 2023 17:21 utc | 33
«The entire American government is insane.»

That insane government over the centuries has dismantled the spanish, german, italian, english, french, dutch, soviet empires and taken over most of the countries they controlled.

In recent decades it has achieved a high percentage of successful regime changes, gotten away with organizing mass murders and war crimes, ruthlessly wrecked to rubble several countries as a lesson to others.

In recent decades and recently it has arranged for several Russian Federation cities to be periodically bombed, without any retaliation, after having taken over more than one ex-member of the soviet empire.

What comparable feats have the RF and PRC accomplished in recent decades?

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 21 2023 18:49 utc | 58

The empire strikes back, making stuff up.
The Telegraph, 6/20
Xi Jinping is humiliating the United States.
China spoke to America as if it were a junior partner in their relationship.
Wang is regarded as embodying the aggressive “wolf warrior” approach to diplomacy – the quarrelsome style whereby Chinese diplomats choose public, acrimonious confrontation with other countries, rather than the traditionally discreet role associated with the diplomatic profession.
Wang made no attempt to smooth over the challenges in overcoming the mistrust and friction that has come to characterise the bilateral relationship.
The US, it was said, must “respect China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and clearly oppose Taiwan independence”.
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Blinken, mistakenly, struck a far more conciliatory tone, stressing the need for open channels of communication to ensure “competition does not veer into conflict”. But there was no sign of a significant upturn or a breakthrough.
Putting the most optimistic gloss on the visit, one could describe the whole range of bilateral disagreements as “work in progress”. That long list includes trade, Taiwan, human rights in China and Hong Kong, and Chinese military assertiveness in the South China Sea, not to mention China’s at best neutral attitude to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 21 2023 18:52 utc | 59

"If you don't talk bitchy in public, you ain't got it, and you won't win national offices. This is the West of today."

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 21 2023 18:28 utc | 51

True. In fact if you don't throw in a few zingers nobody will come to the meetings. Plus the media expects something edgy for the headlines.

Posted by: dh | Jun 21 2023 18:54 utc | 60

@ Don Bacon | Jun 21 2023 18:52 utc | 58

Dear God I love reading The Telegraph. They are so batshit crazy.

It will be fun to read them tomorrow about the BoE raising interest rates ... and the knock on effects of interest rates on taxes.

Hilarious!

Posted by: too scents | Jun 21 2023 18:58 utc | 61

Passerby @43: "Another possibility is Blinken and Biden playing "good cop, bad cop" with the Chinese."

More like two toddlers inexpertly playing patty-cake to amuse grandpa.

Anyway, what would Blinken and Nod (off to sleep) hope to achieve by presenting inconsistent messages like this? Remember, the Biden admin were the ones to call China for this meeting. All they have accomplished is demonstrating to the Chinese that talking to cognitively disabled and emotionally stunted children is a waste of time. How does that serve the Biden admin's interests?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 21 2023 19:00 utc | 62

EU eleventh (self-)sanctions package dropped today. Soooo I'm going to go out on a limb to declare, FMPRC 4-day huddle is not related to the latest round of petty US protocol. Also, Modi might to do well to reflect, as the Chinese do say, on the purposes of his triumphal state visit and address to the odious Congress, because his dear friends just sandbagged India's ambition.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 21 2023 19:00 utc | 63

Posted by: SB | Jun 21 2023 18:32 utc | 52
«This is a video by a Singapore diplomat explaining to American grad students that the Communist Party of China is a meritocracy»

It used to be one, after Deng. But the CCP has made in recent decades a self-destroying political mistake: it has made speculation in real estate very profitable, and most of the CCP officials and members are big property speculators.

When real estate (or finance) speculation becomes the dominant self-interest of the ruling class, the economy will slowly deteriorate, and the CCP is also becoming a rentierocracy.

I think that for the PRC by now the CCP cannot change course: if the CCP elites do anything to moderate the real estate situation the mass of party officials and members will get rid of them.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 21 2023 18:39 utc | 56
«When Chinese Foreign Minister Yang said China was the first nation to ratify the UN Charter, I assume he was referring to an action of Nationalist China, official name the Republic of China.»

Arguably the PRC is the direct continuation of the ROC, with the ROC in Taiwan being no more than the Chiang fascist gang's fake ROC. In particular the original KMT party has been for a long time part of the PRC governing coalition, the KMT in Taipei was the splittist fascist faction of Chiang (and his Green Gang
allies). The PRC still celebrates the important historical role of the Sun-Yat-Tsen, of the KMT and the ROC in being the base from which the PRC evolved (when the CCP became the leading party of the ROC).

Posted by: Blissex | Jun 21 2023 19:01 utc | 64

Blissex' masque is slipping! lol

It's tough to troll when you are on the losing side, isn't it?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 21 2023 19:04 utc | 65

Posted by: A. Pols | Jun 21 2023 15:51 utc | 3

"unloading his drunken stream of consciousness blather." Excellent.

Posted by: horseguards | Jun 21 2023 19:11 utc | 66

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 21 2023 19:04 utc | 64

Yeah. Yesterday Water level drops by 9 cm in Kherson region. "right bank". Pass it on to whomever is planning an amphibious assault on the "left bank."

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 21 2023 19:16 utc | 67

@57 blissex

heil nuland-Lagan

Posted by: paddy | Jun 21 2023 19:17 utc | 68

Biden is such a bloviated POS that he couldn't resist his bully instinct to put down Xi. The Biden crime family has been too long protected by the Swamp. It's time for a reckoning.

Posted by: GioCon | Jun 21 2023 19:17 utc | 69

How the fuck are they still getting away with the spy balloon lie. You don't send up F-16/15's to check out a spy balloon with MK1 eyeballs. You send up actual recon and e-lint aircraft so you can gain actual intelligence. The fact that they sent none up is a red flag that people should have caught onto immediately.

Posted by: badjoke | Jun 21 2023 19:19 utc | 70

. . .weaponizing Pentagon grants, courtesy of Chairman Mike Gallagher, Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party

FoxNews, June 15
University to cut ties with Chinese Confucius Institute after GOP scrutiny on $17M DOD grant
Alfred University will close its Confucius Institute this month
A U.S. university will cut ties with the Chinese Confucius Institute following scrutiny from Rep. Mike Gallagher, R-Wis., over a Pentagon grant to the school for researching advanced weaponry.
Alfred University will close the Confucius Institute on its campus by June 30, a lawyer for the school told Gallagher in a letter obtained by Fox News Digital. Alfred had received a five-year grant worth $17 million to study hypersonic weapons in 2022.
"Alfred University has decided to close the Confucius Institute as of June 30, 2023. I also note that Alfred University takes very seriously the issue of protecting intellectual property and improper technology export," wrote Robert Fisher, a lawyer for the university, in the letter to Gallagher. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 21 2023 19:20 utc | 71

If the balloon was really full of spy equipment, you would expect the Chinese would know where it was, otherwise what is the point.

Posted by: Pancho Plail | Jun 21 2023 19:25 utc | 72

The Chinese know the downward spiral of relations between themselves and the US is caused by US belligerence and rhetoric. China has done nothing to threaten or insult the US, while the US has transited the Taiwan Strait with threatening military vessels and lied like a sociopath to portray China as a totalitarian state. All while the US has a prison population and military much larger than China's and uses every opportunity, like the President just did, to insult China's leader and escalate hostility with its Pivot and Quad alliance. Sadly, the American people cannot be anything but compliant subjects to this aggression.

Posted by: Wilikins | Jun 21 2023 19:43 utc | 73

57. Maerican egos are so easily provoked as though any of the modern Maericans can claim any real heritage to those patriots who steered the ship of state in the past.

Maerica exploits it's own civilians and sold them out so that its oligarch class could get even richer, and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 21 2023 19:45 utc | 74

The only practical hope for diplomacy with the US in the near term is a Trump Presidency, which cleans out the "swamp" in order for Trump to do diplomacy on his own. That's a sad reality, but it's the only possibility for a change of course.

Posted by: Ringo | Jun 21 2023 15:55 utc | 7
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I guess you were asleep when President Trump started imposing sanctions and trade tariffs on China and Chinese products FOR NO FUCKING GOOD REASON? Trump and Biden are both a piece of shit.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 21 2023 19:48 utc | 75

LOL

Gotta love being proven right within 24 hours of your comments.

Second thoughts... not much to laugh about.


Put a senile, cognitively challenged, entitled moron in charge... you gonna pay the price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ33OO4p-Gw

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 21 2023 19:52 utc | 76

With his folksy, tough guy banter in a fundraising event, Biden appeals to the idiots of America. Trump appeals to mostly a different set of idiots. In a Venn diagram, there is likely some overlap. The problem is not our so-called leaders, they are a reflection of the American populace, and the American populace is mostly idiots. This may be the only country where many of its people choose to be idiots as the path of least resistance. They have embraced the concept and internalized it, to the point where it's impossible to tell if the idiocy is learned or acquired. The end result is that the US gets nothing but idiots in the halls of power.

"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." HL Mencken

Posted by: Mike R | Jun 21 2023 19:54 utc | 77

@57 blissix

True that. The us has incomparable power based on its unchallenged control of North America and the Mississippi basin.

The US will continue rolling as long as the people in it can't think of not being under one governments control.

Hell they can't even think of voting for a third party so there's that.

The US can lose 5 wars to russia in Europe and win the sixth and be back to square one. That's what the pro Russians here don't understand, although I think some russia military people understand it perfectly given their cheap levels of force in ukraine.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jun 21 2023 19:58 utc | 78

Puzzling, isn't it? Why go to so much trouble over diplomatic posturing, only to instantly crumple it all up for a cheap joke? That's the state of US American efficiency lately. Once you get up into that fundraising stratum, you've got wall-to-wall white supremacy out here on the left coast, just as bad as way down south, folks. We just can't get over our fawning fondness for the paleness of our skin. This is a fine, historic example of USA's racist psychosis.

We can't have anything, because of racism. We're not even safe from arbitrary execution by racist police. The Justice Department report on the Minneapolis Police Department is a miracle of nothingness -- yep, getting arbitrarily killed by police is such an unfortunate, intolerable risk. Not much we can think of to do about it, though.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 21 2023 20:12 utc | 79

too scents | Jun 21 2023 18:18 utc | 49--

Who are the "sponsors" of the Communist Party of China?

Tens of millions of Chinese.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 20:13 utc | 80

Posted by: robjira | Jun 21 2023 16:55 utc | 29

This rather underscores the notion that Biden is not calling all the shots, as has been the case with every president since FDR.

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Indeed, which is what still makes me nervous. It seems that the intent of the current ruling whoever-they-ares in the US is to bring the country down on all fronts - foreign and domestic policy, financial, societal, borders, food supply.... you name it.

Why?

One theory I skimmed yesterday but had no time to do more with is that the Western elites - as possibly evidenced by recent meetings of Musk and Gates with Xi - are positioning themselves for a new world order in which the current so-called 'hegemony' centered in Manhattan, The City and Zurich will give way to something more global but in which they can still maintain superior status and power. To which end they first have to break down the current situation so that there is no choice but to adopt something different.

I have no idea if this is true or false, but in any case: the Western leaders are deliberately bringing the entire thing down. Which also means the seeming conflict between Eurasia and the West is not all that dire. If both the Western elites and BRICS are happy to see the US Empire fall, then 'we' really don't need to worry about nuclear war, do we? The only thing 'they' have to be worried about is blood in the streets in Europe or, more likely, the US which 'we' might foment.

However, the general testosterone levels are so low now, not to mention that masculinity is so vilified if it even peeks above the basement where it has been relegated, watching NFL games now spiked with ubiquitous gay and lesbian beer ads, that I don't think they have much to worry about on that front. The worst that will happen is they will lose everything on the coast between Texas and Florida. Bearable. The most that will happen in Europe is irate French farmers throwing food around on the streets and stolid Germans peacefully demonstrating before going home to mama with her apron on serving up cold kase und wurst. Any demonstrations in the UK will be easy to turn into race riots. (They'll push all the old British stock to the colder areas North and open up the sunnier south to billionaires from Beijing, Mumbai, Moscow and Rio!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 21 2023 20:13 utc | 81

Biden is a moron. Seriously. And a serial liar and a braggart, and probably a criminal, but it’s the moron part that worries me most.

Posted by: nwwoods | Jun 21 2023 20:19 utc | 82

I have not seen this posted yet, a short comment by Biden in 1997, not very insightful to say the least:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPZNRZNvwCU

Posted by: Foreigner | Jun 21 2023 20:20 utc | 83

The United States is a rampaging beast. Thinking people should probably avoid it.

Posted by: Loncal | Jun 21 2023 20:21 utc | 84

If you don't talk bitchy in public, you ain't got it, and you won't win national offices. This is the West of today.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 21 2023 18:28 utc | 51

That's the consequences of having attention spans the length of a soundbite.
On a more serious note and using a different soundbite.
The US political pond fauna are writing cheques they cannot cash anymore.

Posted by: jpc | Jun 21 2023 20:21 utc | 85

@Scorpion | Jun 21 2023 20:13 utc | 80

Ah, you are closer to the truth than you realize; I suggest you continue to investigate that "theory".

Posted by: majoab | Jun 21 2023 20:25 utc | 86

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 21 2023 18:18 utc | 50

I'm surprised that you, b, a bona fide journalist/blogger, would take Biden's casual utterances seriously enough to launch a thread on this esteemed blog for discussion. ...

How does Biden's utterance hurt China as a nation? Zilch! I don't think China would give much of a damn what Americans think of China. ..

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True. But Biden's remarks accomplish what is desired by both sides, it seems, namely further bifurcation isolating the US and her satellite nations from the RoW. Both sides were seen meeting respectfully last week, and now both sides are lamenting that it was all a big fat waste of time.

At this point, that's 'regular order' and, I suspect, what both sides want though neither will say so.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 21 2023 20:29 utc | 87

Just another day on the road to World War 3. Not long now....

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Jun 21 2023 20:33 utc | 88

Tens of millions of Chinese.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2023 20:13 utc | 79

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Maybe you meant many tens of millions???


Delegates to 19th National Congress of Communist Youth League of China arrive in Beijing ==> https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202306/1292785.shtml

Even so it is an elite vanguard.

In 2014, the Communist Party of China’s acceptance rate was on par with the Ivy League.

...

“I was very excited,” Lin said recently. “Joining the party is not easy — of the 40 students in my class, only five were admitted.” Lin credits his admission to his top-notch grades, student government positions, and willingness to help his classmates, which earned him a strong reputation.

https://daily.jstor.org/communist-party-of-china/

Posted by: too scents | Jun 21 2023 20:37 utc | 89

I suspect that the Chinese leadership are sufficiently astute to evaluate the importance of remarks made by a US president who in recent days proclaimed "Long live the queen."

Posted by: John Schoonover | Jun 21 2023 20:45 utc | 90

Biden is clearly on the downward slope of mental competency, but behaving like this is not out of character for him going back to the beginning of his career. He's always brazenly lied and then lies some more when he gets caught. We're not seeing a "new" Biden due to mental degradation, we're seeing an even more unfiltered Biden. And his filter was never a strong suit. So there is not disconnect between his top foreign policy advisors and him. He chose them and he's worked with all of them before. There's not really anyone pulling strings, at least not in the sense that someone's doing things that Biden would disagree with or not do himself if he could still complete a sentence.

He was mad that Little Tony's humiliation tour continued in Beijing. He's not smart (he never was smart) enough to see the undercurrents that are causing Tony's humiliation tour and address them. All he has is running his mouth, so that's what he did. And he's not smart enough to realize that running his mouth today will create problems for him tomorrow in dealing with China. That's partly because of his being generally dumb as a brick and his declining mental faculties: he is quite sure that this is still the late 90's/early 00's when America ruled the world.

Posted by: Lex | Jun 21 2023 20:47 utc | 91

It seems that Biden is given a pass for being maginally competent.
Clearly, the U.S. does not mean what it says at this time on this subject - they do intend to press for Taiwan's independence at what they consider the appropriate opportunity. Which might be when they have a military with weapons.

Everyone has a strong interest in trying to keep this thing from collapsing in the interim.

And clearly the U.S. has fully demonstrated the nature of it's politics in it's behavior with Ukraine.

These people (Blinken for example) behave as if they can paper over anything with their word skills.
But that only works for the little people - who dont matter, really.

Posted by: jared | Jun 21 2023 20:50 utc | 92

As far as I can remember, it was always US had called China. Xi did not call Biden for once.

Biden is senile, he is imagining things, lost his memories.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jun 21 2023 15:57 utc | 11

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The most votes in US Presidential election history!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 21 2023 20:59 utc | 93

I suspect that the Chinese leadership are sufficiently astute to evaluate the importance of remarks made by a US president who in recent days proclaimed "Long live the queen."

Posted by: John Schoonover | Jun 21 2023 20:45 utc | 89
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You missed the most important deflection point: "Long live the queen, man!" And you wonder why Hunter has to go to drug rehab.

Posted by: Ed | Jun 21 2023 21:02 utc | 94

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 21 2023 20:29 utc | 86

they weren't meeting respectfully. there were some flowery diplomatic words, but that's form, not substance.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 21 2023 21:04 utc | 95

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/06/21/biden-crashes-down-stairs-of-us-china-reset/

Biden Crashes Down the Stairs of U.S.-China Reset
Forked-tongued American politicians should be repudiated until Washington actually begins to behave as a law-abiding entity.

Joe Biden’s penchant for tripping over his feet – and verbally – couldn’t have happened at a most unfortunate moment. Mocking China’s president as a “dictator” just when his administration attempted a big reset in U.S.-China relations has to rank as one of Biden’s clumsiest gaffes.

A day after U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken visited China in a high-profile attempt to mend frayed relations, Biden kicked those efforts in the teeth by telling a crowd in California that Chinese President Xi was a dictator.

Beijing responded furiously, denouncing the American president’s “extreme” disrespect and lack of etiquette. China’s anger is no doubt reinforced because it showed magnanimity in receiving Blinken and affording him a top-level diplomatic meeting with President Xi Jinping.


Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 21 2023 21:11 utc | 96

Posted by: Lex | Jun 21 2023 20:47 utc | 90

Well stated. That is how read it, too.

Back to the main event, the MoD clobber report.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 21 2023 21:18 utc | 97

Biden should have shot himself in the foot whilst it was still in his mouth

Posted by: Rattus | Jun 21 2023 21:18 utc | 98

About the insult on Xi, it is simple. Usamericans expected the chinise funding their war effort buying their state's bonuses and the negative answer triggerd the insult. Cheers everybody!

Posted by: Venezolano | Jun 21 2023 21:21 utc | 99

"I guess you were asleep when President Trump started imposing sanctions and trade tariffs on China and Chinese products FOR NO FUCKING GOOD REASON? Trump and Biden are both a piece of shit."

Saving what's left of America's industrial capacity and starting to re-build it, which was precisely Trump's plan, is a very good reason. Any sensible nation has a frim tariff policy to protect their industries. America hasn't had any since the Reagan years, hence our industry is a hollowed out shell, which is why the finance class have so taken over from the old industrialists (who were deliberately destroyed), and why working class wages stagnated for decades (until Trump showed up).

Anyway, maybe Joey will find out that by insulting Xi, China might happen to reveal whatever Biden dirty dealings they know about. Which is plenty.

Posted by: ASensibleMan | Jun 21 2023 21:22 utc | 100

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