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May 11, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Delayed Counteroffensive, Russian Defense Lines, Weapon Efficiency

Two weeks ago the Biden administration had recognized that the announced Ukrainian 'counteroffensive' will fail to make much progress.

The operation has still not started and Zelensky has moved its launch further into the future:

Speaking at his headquarters in Kyiv, President Zelensky described combat brigades, some of which were trained by Nato countries, as being "ready" but said the army still needed "some things", including armoured vehicles that were "arriving in batches".

"With [what we already have] we can go forward, and, I think, be successful," he said in an interview for public service broadcasters who are members of Eurovision News, like the BBC. "But we'd lose a lot of people. I think that's unacceptable. So we need to wait. We still need a bit more time."

Time will not prevent that any counteroffensive will lead to high casualty rates. In fact, waiting longer means more attacks on the troops in their current positions. Any detected agglomeration of forces or material is already coming under long range Russian missile fire.

As the counteroffensive is destined to fail the Biden administration is out to move the goal posts. In Foreign Affairs two of its MIC propagandists, Michael Kofman and Rob Lee, demand to prepare for a much longer war:

Policymakers, however, have placed undue emphasis on the upcoming offensive without providing sufficient consideration of what will come afterward and whether Ukraine is well positioned for the next phase. It is critical that Ukraine’s Western partners develop a long-term theory of victory for Ukraine, since even in the best-case scenario, this upcoming offensive is unlikely to end the conflict. Indeed, what follows this operation could be another period of indeterminate fighting and attrition, but with reduced ammunition deliveries to Ukraine. This is already a long war, and it is likely to become protracted. History is an imperfect guide, but it suggests wars that endure for more than a year are likely to go on for at least several more and are exceedingly difficult to end. A Western theory of success must therefore prevent a situation in which the war drags on, but where Western countries are unable to provide Ukraine with a decisive advantage.

The delusion is strong in that assessment. A 'theory of victory' or 'success' is just that – a theory. Ukraine does not have the personnel to sustain a longer war. Nor does the 'west' have any spare weapons that could give the Ukraine a 'decisive advantage'.

Still the cue was picked up Ukraine's foreign minister Dmitro Kuleba (machine translation):

If Ukraine does not succeed in its counteroffensive against the aggressor country Russia, it will prepare for the next one.

This was stated by Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba in an interview with Bild published on May 10.

He urged "not to consider this counteroffensive as the last one" – "because we do not know what will come of it."

Kuleba noted that if Ukraine succeeds in its counteroffensive against Russia in liberating its territories, "in the end you will say: "Yes, it was the last one," but if not, then you need to prepare for the next counteroffensive."

Kuleba is already asking for weapons for the next 'counteroffensive' to be launched after the currently announced one fails.

Dreizin published an alleged 'battle plan' for a Ukrainian 'counteroffensive' in the Zaporozhia front:

(1) Break through the Russian forward defense along the line Nesterianka-Novosyolovka (6km and 19km southeast of Orekhov, respectively) into the defense depth of Guards battalions in the Polozhsk-Orekhov sector, utilizing, in the first echelon, the 47th and 65th Separate Mechanized Brigades, 9th Army Corps (total of 2 tank and 7 infantry battalions—8300 men with up to 60 tanks, up to 200 other armored fighting vehicles, up to 110 field pieces and mortars, 12 MLRS, up to 100 motor rafts.) Breakthrough of the contact line will be in the order of the 65th which is already on the line, then the 47th. Neighboring units including the 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade will carry the task of harrying neighboring Russian units so as to prevent reinforcement of Russian forces at the main axis of advance.

(2) Subsequently, deploy the main forces. The main blow is to be from the vicinity of Orekhov, in the direction of Tokmak, ultimately towards Melitopol’. …

From the point of strategic value the chosen target is the right one. However, it is also the one where the Russian military has prepared its strongest defense lines.


Source: @Inkvisiit, Scribblemapsbigger

In military books this is know as 'echeloned defense' with three lines of well prepared positions ten kilometer apart from each other. Each line consists of tank obstacles, mine belts, prepared anti-tank positions to monitor and counter potential breach attempts and well prepared artillery support from behind the next defense line.


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To crack such a nut without air support and without significant artillery advantage is nearly impossible.

It is why I think that the Zaporozhia region may not be the real target of the counteroffensive. All the talk about it may well be a diversion. The least prepared front is in the area south of Kherson.


Source: @Inkvisiit, Scribblemapsbigger

But to get there would require a difficult river crossing of the Dnieper which will also limit supply lines. This would be a high risk attempt which might gain some ground. But whatever would be won would soon be lost again as any river crossing would come under sustained artillery fire.

There may well be other obstacles for launching the announced 'counteroffensive'. It is rumored that the commander of the Ukrainian army,  Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was wounded or killed during a recent Russian missile strike in Dnipro. He has not been seen since and he did not take part in a recent NATO meeting where his expected presence had been announced.

Apropos NATO:

NEXTA @nexta_tv – 7:29 UTC · May 11, 2023

U.S. Army Europe and Africa Command spokesman Martin O'Donnell said that #Ukraine received about 600 types of weapons for the counteroffensive – more than any one army in the world has.

What army can handle 600 different weapons systems with all the implied training, maintenance, spare part and ammunition supply issues? None can do that. But O'Donnell is proud of providing a zoo of weapons which are incompatible to each other.

The shells for the British L118 light gun, the French AMX 10 reconnaissance tanks, the German Leopard 1 tanks and the U.S./Lithuanian M101 Light Howitzer all have a nominal diameter of 105 mm. But they are all incompatible to each other. Just imagine the logistic screw ups that will inevitably happen when the Ukrainian front line troops will request additional 105mm ammunition supplies.

The UK has delivered the export version of the Storm Shadow cruise missiles to Ukraine. These have a reach of some 250 kilometer and can be fired from the 'westernized' Su-24 airplanes that Poland sent to the Ukraine.

They seem to be part of a new NATO talking point to excuse the inability to deliver more weapon:

The war in Ukraine will increasingly be a battle between large numbers of poorly trained Russian troops with outdated equipment and a smaller Ukrainian force with better Western weapons and training, NATO's top military official said on Wednesday.

Admiral Rob Bauer, the chair of NATO's military committee, noted Russia was now deploying significant numbers of T-54 tanks – an old model designed in the years after World War Two.

"But the problem is they still have a lot of T-54s. So … in terms of numbers, quantity, it is an issue," Bauer told reporters after a meeting of the alliance's national military chiefs at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

The T-54 are used by Russia as immobile anti-tank guns dug into the defense lines, not as mobile main battle tanks. Russia still has plenty of newer T-72 and T-90 models for that and no need to replace those.

The Storm Shadow may deliver some success – up to the day the Russian military has finds a way to prevent that. Like all previously announced wonder weapons it will also disappoint.

Just look at the much hyped HIMARS missiles. According to leaked Pentagon documents the Ukrainian military fires on average some 13 HIMARS missiles per day. Over the last two month the Russian clobber report listed an average of 6 HIMARS missiles per day as eliminated by Russian air defenses. The rest of the missiles get diverted by electronic warfare measures:

[I]n recent months, the systems have been rendered increasingly less effective by the Russians’ intensive blocking, five US, British and Ukrainian sources tell CNN, forcing US and Ukrainian officials to find ways to tweak the HIMARS’ software to counter the evolving Russian jamming efforts.

“It is a constant cat-and-mouse game” of finding a countermeasure to the jamming, a Pentagon official said, only to then have the Russians counteract that countermeasure. And it is not clear how sustainable that game is in the long term.

The HIMARS system has thereby turned out to more or less useless. The idea that such 'quality' weapons can beat the greater Russian 'quantity' of equally good weapons is, like so many, simply nonsense.

Comments

#398
you really should change name to….Deplorable Trotskyist it will fit.

Posted by: cyril | May 12 2023 14:47 utc | 401

” Sad world indeed. But we aren’t supposed to veer off topic.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 12 2023 14:43 utc | 409 ”
Just a friendly reminder, everyone can return to their regular programming now.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 12 2023 14:49 utc | 402

#397 ..Deplorable Commissar…..you should change it to Deplorable Trotskyist. It will fit much better.

Posted by: sejmon | May 12 2023 14:51 utc | 403

On the subject of veering off topic, Haaretz recently ran a story which claimed that Ukraine and Israel have a common enemy: Iran

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 12 2023 14:58 utc | 404

Posted by: Scorpion | May 12 2023 14:12 utc | 405
Well done, Scorpion. Those layers you are describing might be more than a single mortal can cope with in assessing right and wrong. It’s good we have two sides to everything…keeps us humble. And it gives me a new way of looking at Homer. There are the gods, above the fray and yet they can be hurt by it too. And down there humans are destroying one another on the battlefield as you describe. Which of them have truth, justice and the American way? Can we handle the truth? And what is that ephemeral quality ‘truth’?
Homer says sometimes humans are more godlike than the gods themselves. At least that’s what I’m gonna say he’s saying.

Posted by: juliania | May 12 2023 14:58 utc | 405

#331 some trolls here and in the degenerate EU…would not be satisfied unless they see most glorious duo -elensky & zaluzhny sing in the Eurovision..geeeeeez

Posted by: sejmon | May 12 2023 14:59 utc | 406

Just read a report, Zeluznhyi has Covid, apparently his car was hit by a Russian rocket, while he survived the rocket attack, it’s thought a Russian service man was not wearing a mask when loading the breach….he’s currently under observation at the local ………sanitarium.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 12 2023 15:12 utc | 407

Backwards and upwards I go:
let’s say that redefining Russia always means redefining the world – and so it should be. But what I wanted to say is that Russia is again achieving a cultural coherence that escapes all of the “Western” populations.
Posted by: Anthony | May 12 2023 10:51 utc | 335
This was very good, Anthony — thanks!

Posted by: juliania | May 12 2023 15:58 utc | 408

Posted by: Anthony | May 12 2023 10:24 utc | 326
Another good one, Anthony! [Forgive me for being backward; it’s what I do.]
Thank you.

Posted by: juliania | May 12 2023 16:07 utc | 409

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 12 2023 13:49 utc | 399
Or the country he choose over his homeland, for reasons that anyone who visited Russia in the 90’s can identify with, has slowly transformed into a country he barely recognises.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 12 2023 12:59 utc | 379
Love it when a commentators threadbare analysis is used as justification to attack a more knowledgeable commentator, who has been largely accurate about the course of the SMO. Just who, I wonder, has the agenda?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 12 2023 14:10 utc | 405
Quite believe it, in Vietnam, when air or artillery strikes hit attacking NVA/VC assault troops they died in their hundreds, the RF strike and targeting capabilities are an order of magnitude better than 1960’s dumb bombs, shells, unguided rockets and the Mk1 eyeball, whereas vehicle-encased flesh is just as vulnerable as it’s always been.

Posted by: Milites | May 12 2023 16:25 utc | 410

Deplorable Commisser no. 413
Some people just can’t multi-task.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 12 2023 16:45 utc | 411

Well done, Scorpion. Those layers you are describing might be more than a single mortal can cope with in assessing right and wrong. It’s good we have two sides to everything…keeps us humble….
Homer says sometimes humans are more godlike than the gods themselves. At least that’s what I’m gonna say he’s saying.
Posted by: juliania | May 12 2023 14:58 utc | 416
There is a small book by a surprisingly influential author, Jane Jacobs. I was part of a ‘City Revitalization’ operation twenty or so years ago and so studied her work about Cities and then consulted with her directly viz my own – Sydney, Cape Breton. (The entire movement was taken over and destroyed by corrupt Federales and Big Corporates who run everything there – and always into the ground – which Jane rightly predicted would transpire. Downtown merchants on Main St got a facelift grant but the Panamax Port was delayed almost 20 years and now there is a new one on the East Coast as should not have happened. Sydney is closer to North Africa, Hamburg and Rio de Janeiro than any port on the East Coast including Miami to Rio due to the Earth’s curvature and moreover is a natural deep water port, could be one of the biggest in the world.)
But she has a small book – based on her decades of experience helping city development/rejuvenation groups – called ‘Systems of Survival.’
I don’t like the title but the contents are interesting and important, namely that different types of organizations have different moral imperatives. For example, government operations value loyalty to the team above all. (This is why FBI officials routinely lie to Congress, for example. Congress is a rival or opponent; they are loyal to a different master and since clandestine operations are part and parcel of their modus vivendi, lying to Congress is their Duty, part of their own (twisted) code of honour.) Leaving aside such twisted examples, basically government values loyalty above all.
Whereas in the private sector even aggressive competition – within legal bounds – with rivals or opponents is a healthy part of the dynamic whereas in a government operation competing with each other would constitute betrayal. She goes through several sectors and I don’t remember any of it in detail, just that it is a very original presentation of a little-considered but very important dynamic, namely that different sectors in society have different moral-ethical mores which don’t always align; more importantly, members of one group usually, and mistakenly, assume that other groups are following the same codes of conduct. This causes considerable systemic conflict and misunderstanding in societies – and why city development is such a thorny, and usually impassable, thicket in which to labour.
From the Preface:
“This book explores the morals and values that underpin viable working life. Like the other animals, we find and pick up what we can use, and appropriate territories. But unlike the other animals, we also trade and produce for trade. Because we possess these two radically different ways of dealing with our needs, we also have two radically different systems of morals and values—both systems valid and necessary.”
Interestingly, the book itself takes the form of a dialogue between different people representing different viewpoints.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 12 2023 17:03 utc | 412

Posted by: Cindy Martin | May 12 2023 4:51 utc | 261
Thanks! Can’t edit to correct but will remember.

Posted by: English Outsider | May 12 2023 17:04 utc | 413

Cynic | May 12 2023 12:56 utc | 378
>…’Indulging ClownZ at Liverpool sets a precedent… they wouldn’t want that’….
Nice theory. Too bad they already did. (Establish precedent).
2009: Georgia “We Don’t Want To Put In”. Withdrew rather than change lyrics.
2016: Ukraine wins with “1944” (take a guess, …it’s not about puppies and butterflies). Hosts event 2017
2018: Russian contestant prevented from entering country, and hence no appearance in Kiev, because she’d previously performed in Crimea.
That’s just 3 times (not the only times), Eurovision allowed themselves to court and indulge “politicisation” of the contest.
Last year there were [not surprisingly] voting “irregularities”, and Ukraine[of course] won. UK was also set up into second place precisely so it could host, as it was obvious even back then, Ukraine would not be able to.
The machinations and intrigue behind the 2023 contest was to present Ukraine with a [[political]] platform, … Russia of course being banned from participating.
That ClownZ now isn’t being allowed to strut the stage especially constructed for him… means something behind the scenes has changed.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2023 17:30 utc | 415

@cyril | May 12 2023 14:47 utc | 408
you really should change name to….Deplorable Trotskyist
This “cyril” is definitely not me.
b can verify my unpublished e-mail address.

Posted by: Cyril | May 12 2023 19:29 utc | 416

A few skirmishes here and there. The pentagram is sending in its proxies to find the weak spots. There are plenty of weak spots. There just are not enough Russians there to firm up the lines.

Posted by: Thim | May 12 2023 22:56 utc | 417

reply to … Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2023 17:30 utc | 422
You’re absolutely right, the whole thing has long been as political (and biased) as could be.
But this time, instead of just the performers and commentators pimping propaganda, the cokehead of Kiev wanted to make a war speech *in person* (albeit via remote connection).
Such a *direct* and blatant governmental political intervention that Eurovision’s own false claim of not being an activist agency of the (NATO/EU) political establishment would be completely demolished.

Posted by: Cynic | May 13 2023 1:11 utc | 418

It seems to me that its the Russians who have been stalled for the last 6 months. They are running out of time and ideas.
China’s “peace plan” now makes more sense – they were able to sense that Russia cannot make any further progress and wanted it to consolidate gains and hoped that the Ukranians would agree. How ever the Deep State will never allow Zelinsky to negotiate peace with Russia unless he has a death wish

Posted by: Nasa | May 13 2023 3:08 utc | 419

Su24s from Poland? They never operated Su24s.

Posted by: CupidStunt | May 13 2023 10:05 utc | 420

“Your effeminate trash does not carry much weight in front of Russian artillery.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 12 2023 13:39 utc | 393
Great sentence!
Like I said, it’s all very real on the trench level. Just as it was in WW I. And yet years later – thanks mainly to Harry Barnes – it came out how the elites on both sides were trading with each other all the time as if there were no war at all. One of the main Evidence Exhibits of which is the famous trip taken by a load of future communist luminaries from Manhattan (funded by Schiffs, Warburgs et alia) to Halifax Nova Scotia, where they were briefly detained, then onto London, then Berlin, then Stockholm and then Moscow. All during a war where thousands of men on either side were dying every day. And yet this party could go from one side to another without difficulty. How was such a thing coordinated? Because of what I so effeminately suggested: there are different layers and levels (vagina-like come to think of it!). On a lower level men are slugging it out butchering each other, like in the WW I trenches. That is very real. But on a higher level, there is regular back and forth all the time as if no such mortal struggle was going on below at the cannon-fodder level.
How do you think that Standard Oil (?) was able to keep supplying Germany with oil throughout the war despite the ferocious conflict in the Atlantic? Why didn’t the Americans stop the tankers from going through? How did the U-boat captains know not to sink them, that they were bound for Hamburg not London? Do you know? If so, pray tell.
Posted by: Scorpion | May 12 2023 14:12 utc | 403”
I’ll say what you don’t dare to say. a certain (((tribe))) went on trading across the war fronts as if nothing was happening. The trip you are refering to was Trotsky’s. Trotsky is distantly related to Zelenskyy from the exact same area of Ukraine too.

Posted by: Wokechoke | May 13 2023 12:30 utc | 421

If there’s any truth to what he says then Roloslavsky is the most important commentator I’ve run across in the last two years.
I never see any mention of him. But read his stuff. It seems to me to be incontrovertible.
Here’s an example: https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/alexander-mercouris-really-doesnt?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=795903&post_id=119195373&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Posted by: abrogard | May 14 2023 4:00 utc | 422

there will never be a Ukrainian Counter Offensive
Agreed – However, there will be a NATO Counter Offensive with 650,000 ground troops in 1 or 2 years. Every signal points to this theater strategy.
Posted by: Exile | May 11 2023 20:13 utc | 98
Throughout all this I have never ceased to be amazed by they complete marginalisation to the point of disappearing of any relevance of the populations.
I’ve even fallen into the habit myself. I talk of Russia, and America and France and UK and so on when I actually mean the doings, the manipulations, the schemes, the lying filth of a small group of people in each of these nations.
People who couldn’t give a rat’s ass to use that wonderfully potent Americanism for the people. Not at all. Could not give a damn.
When they appear to give a damn it is even then clearly signalled as a desire merely to win in the polls. But winning or losing in the polls does not change the make up of that group. The same people still call the shots.
America, China, England, France, even Russia, etc… are all notional abstractions, mere figments of the imagination, artificial ‘legal entities’ like the Limited Company or something and in reality invoking them means talking about a bunch of powerbrokers.
And so all the discussion has been and still is about the machinations of these power brokers.
And so all the discussin has been and still is missing one important element: the people.
I do believe this is a different world. And just as Nike boots can sweep the world overnight, or DVD’s or smartphones, with a blinding speed and by what mechanism we know not, so a change of intellectual awareness and political fashion if you will can happen overnight.
And, to be deliberately hyperbolically melodramatic, the tumbrils could roll.
All bets could be off.
Reality is in fact the people of the world. Their irrational behaviour is ascribable to their docility, their ignorance, their weakness, their powerlessness which cause them to behave as they are told to behave which inevitably is : to kill each other.
The fun game of all despots. And they are all ‘despots’. Don’t bother fussing with other names.
As Hilary Clinton cackled (no other possible word for it) in glee as she announced: ‘We came, we saw, he died’ to they all cackle in glee at what they can cause the hoi polloi to do to itself.
It boggles their mind. Reaching perhaps a culmination in the covid years when to their great surprise they were able to make the whole population locks itself away from each other and life etc., without demur. From anywhere. Civic leaders, educators, intellectuals, medical…
But that might have been the highest (or lowest, better) level they will ever reach. From there on no further in that direction.
All these prognostications – ALL of them – leave the people out of the equation. They are all predicated on a dumb mass as of old.
I’m betting on a change. The people will appear. Suddenly, I imagine. And dramatically. This IS a new world.

Posted by: abrogard | May 14 2023 4:13 utc | 423

what broke?
My RSS feed no longer updates.
is this page now dead?

Posted by: peter | May 27 2023 14:47 utc | 424