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May 11, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Delayed Counteroffensive, Russian Defense Lines, Weapon Efficiency

Two weeks ago the Biden administration had recognized that the announced Ukrainian 'counteroffensive' will fail to make much progress.

The operation has still not started and Zelensky has moved its launch further into the future:

Speaking at his headquarters in Kyiv, President Zelensky described combat brigades, some of which were trained by Nato countries, as being "ready" but said the army still needed "some things", including armoured vehicles that were "arriving in batches".

"With [what we already have] we can go forward, and, I think, be successful," he said in an interview for public service broadcasters who are members of Eurovision News, like the BBC. "But we'd lose a lot of people. I think that's unacceptable. So we need to wait. We still need a bit more time."

Time will not prevent that any counteroffensive will lead to high casualty rates. In fact, waiting longer means more attacks on the troops in their current positions. Any detected agglomeration of forces or material is already coming under long range Russian missile fire.

As the counteroffensive is destined to fail the Biden administration is out to move the goal posts. In Foreign Affairs two of its MIC propagandists, Michael Kofman and Rob Lee, demand to prepare for a much longer war:

Policymakers, however, have placed undue emphasis on the upcoming offensive without providing sufficient consideration of what will come afterward and whether Ukraine is well positioned for the next phase. It is critical that Ukraine’s Western partners develop a long-term theory of victory for Ukraine, since even in the best-case scenario, this upcoming offensive is unlikely to end the conflict. Indeed, what follows this operation could be another period of indeterminate fighting and attrition, but with reduced ammunition deliveries to Ukraine. This is already a long war, and it is likely to become protracted. History is an imperfect guide, but it suggests wars that endure for more than a year are likely to go on for at least several more and are exceedingly difficult to end. A Western theory of success must therefore prevent a situation in which the war drags on, but where Western countries are unable to provide Ukraine with a decisive advantage.

The delusion is strong in that assessment. A 'theory of victory' or 'success' is just that – a theory. Ukraine does not have the personnel to sustain a longer war. Nor does the 'west' have any spare weapons that could give the Ukraine a 'decisive advantage'.

Still the cue was picked up Ukraine's foreign minister Dmitro Kuleba (machine translation):

If Ukraine does not succeed in its counteroffensive against the aggressor country Russia, it will prepare for the next one.

This was stated by Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba in an interview with Bild published on May 10.

He urged "not to consider this counteroffensive as the last one" – "because we do not know what will come of it."

Kuleba noted that if Ukraine succeeds in its counteroffensive against Russia in liberating its territories, "in the end you will say: "Yes, it was the last one," but if not, then you need to prepare for the next counteroffensive."

Kuleba is already asking for weapons for the next 'counteroffensive' to be launched after the currently announced one fails.

Dreizin published an alleged 'battle plan' for a Ukrainian 'counteroffensive' in the Zaporozhia front:

(1) Break through the Russian forward defense along the line Nesterianka-Novosyolovka (6km and 19km southeast of Orekhov, respectively) into the defense depth of Guards battalions in the Polozhsk-Orekhov sector, utilizing, in the first echelon, the 47th and 65th Separate Mechanized Brigades, 9th Army Corps (total of 2 tank and 7 infantry battalions—8300 men with up to 60 tanks, up to 200 other armored fighting vehicles, up to 110 field pieces and mortars, 12 MLRS, up to 100 motor rafts.) Breakthrough of the contact line will be in the order of the 65th which is already on the line, then the 47th. Neighboring units including the 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade will carry the task of harrying neighboring Russian units so as to prevent reinforcement of Russian forces at the main axis of advance.

(2) Subsequently, deploy the main forces. The main blow is to be from the vicinity of Orekhov, in the direction of Tokmak, ultimately towards Melitopol’. …

From the point of strategic value the chosen target is the right one. However, it is also the one where the Russian military has prepared its strongest defense lines.


Source: @Inkvisiit, Scribblemapsbigger

In military books this is know as 'echeloned defense' with three lines of well prepared positions ten kilometer apart from each other. Each line consists of tank obstacles, mine belts, prepared anti-tank positions to monitor and counter potential breach attempts and well prepared artillery support from behind the next defense line.


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To crack such a nut without air support and without significant artillery advantage is nearly impossible.

It is why I think that the Zaporozhia region may not be the real target of the counteroffensive. All the talk about it may well be a diversion. The least prepared front is in the area south of Kherson.


Source: @Inkvisiit, Scribblemapsbigger

But to get there would require a difficult river crossing of the Dnieper which will also limit supply lines. This would be a high risk attempt which might gain some ground. But whatever would be won would soon be lost again as any river crossing would come under sustained artillery fire.

There may well be other obstacles for launching the announced 'counteroffensive'. It is rumored that the commander of the Ukrainian army,  Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was wounded or killed during a recent Russian missile strike in Dnipro. He has not been seen since and he did not take part in a recent NATO meeting where his expected presence had been announced.

Apropos NATO:

NEXTA @nexta_tv – 7:29 UTC · May 11, 2023

U.S. Army Europe and Africa Command spokesman Martin O'Donnell said that #Ukraine received about 600 types of weapons for the counteroffensive – more than any one army in the world has.

What army can handle 600 different weapons systems with all the implied training, maintenance, spare part and ammunition supply issues? None can do that. But O'Donnell is proud of providing a zoo of weapons which are incompatible to each other.

The shells for the British L118 light gun, the French AMX 10 reconnaissance tanks, the German Leopard 1 tanks and the U.S./Lithuanian M101 Light Howitzer all have a nominal diameter of 105 mm. But they are all incompatible to each other. Just imagine the logistic screw ups that will inevitably happen when the Ukrainian front line troops will request additional 105mm ammunition supplies.

The UK has delivered the export version of the Storm Shadow cruise missiles to Ukraine. These have a reach of some 250 kilometer and can be fired from the 'westernized' Su-24 airplanes that Poland sent to the Ukraine.

They seem to be part of a new NATO talking point to excuse the inability to deliver more weapon:

The war in Ukraine will increasingly be a battle between large numbers of poorly trained Russian troops with outdated equipment and a smaller Ukrainian force with better Western weapons and training, NATO's top military official said on Wednesday.

Admiral Rob Bauer, the chair of NATO's military committee, noted Russia was now deploying significant numbers of T-54 tanks – an old model designed in the years after World War Two.

"But the problem is they still have a lot of T-54s. So … in terms of numbers, quantity, it is an issue," Bauer told reporters after a meeting of the alliance's national military chiefs at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

The T-54 are used by Russia as immobile anti-tank guns dug into the defense lines, not as mobile main battle tanks. Russia still has plenty of newer T-72 and T-90 models for that and no need to replace those.

The Storm Shadow may deliver some success – up to the day the Russian military has finds a way to prevent that. Like all previously announced wonder weapons it will also disappoint.

Just look at the much hyped HIMARS missiles. According to leaked Pentagon documents the Ukrainian military fires on average some 13 HIMARS missiles per day. Over the last two month the Russian clobber report listed an average of 6 HIMARS missiles per day as eliminated by Russian air defenses. The rest of the missiles get diverted by electronic warfare measures:

[I]n recent months, the systems have been rendered increasingly less effective by the Russians’ intensive blocking, five US, British and Ukrainian sources tell CNN, forcing US and Ukrainian officials to find ways to tweak the HIMARS’ software to counter the evolving Russian jamming efforts.

“It is a constant cat-and-mouse game” of finding a countermeasure to the jamming, a Pentagon official said, only to then have the Russians counteract that countermeasure. And it is not clear how sustainable that game is in the long term.

The HIMARS system has thereby turned out to more or less useless. The idea that such 'quality' weapons can beat the greater Russian 'quantity' of equally good weapons is, like so many, simply nonsense.

Comments

It is strange Prygozin predicted everything.
But nothing was done to prepare.

Posted by: srbin | May 11 2023 20:19 utc | 101

If UK cruise missile flying at Russian airfields without Russian doing anything to stop is Russia winning, I hate to imagine what a draw would look like…
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 11 2023 20:15 utc | 100
Why the supply of “super-missiles” to Ukraine does not scare us: Russian air defense has been shooting down Storm Shadow since 2018
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27501/4761445/

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 20:20 utc | 102

“But the problem is they still have a lot of T-54s. So … in terms of numbers, quantity, it is an issue,” Bauer told reporters after a meeting of the alliance’s national military chiefs at NATO headquarters in Brussels.
Quantity has its own quality ….

Posted by: Setanta | May 11 2023 20:20 utc | 103

Indeed, an offensive had started.
This time it is a Russian one.
RF withdrew from the last treaty on European somethingsomething heavy weapons what-not, had made its own population angry enough having droned Kremlin. Putin paraded a T-34, a symbol of 1944-1945 drang-nach-West.
And it would be rational to assume that RF must finish this as soon as it goes.
Argument is: hurry up before China beds again with the USA, before South Africa gets choked by USA, followed by Argentina, before the USA acquires Lula and before Palestinians are exterminated to a football field size camp. Also chemicals reported thrown by Ukraine around frontlines. Gas, gas, gas…
From the skies:
Currently flotilla of 6-7 Czech, Polish, UK and USA big military transport planes are flying from Krakow Poland towards eastern Polish border with around Bialystok very near Belorussia and to Rzezow airport – closest to Ukrainian border there is. Polish military transport planes are marked as PLF042, PLF043 etc.
No AWACS, nowhere near to be seen. Probably flying with AIS off.
Check it yourself at flightradar24.com
Love is in the air….

Posted by: whirlX | May 11 2023 20:21 utc | 104

” Statements about “defense breakthroughs” that took place in various parts of the line of contact do not correspond to reality – Russian Defense Ministry”
Looks like msm wants an offensive, no one gives it to them, so they simply invent it. It’s so sad there were no kayak strike groups tonight, they’re so majestic.

Posted by: rk | May 11 2023 20:21 utc | 105

It is strange Prygozin predicted everything.
But nothing was done to prepare.
Posted by: srbin | May 11 2023 20:19 utc | 106
It is called a “Maskirowka”…
Tomorrow, we’d have “new” news…

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 20:22 utc | 106

rk | May 11 2023 19:48 utc | 83–
Escobar has set-up a base in Moscow. He returned to Istanbul to cover the upcoming election.
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As for the roloslavskiy substack article, he claims “If there is any maskirovka going on, it is on the part of the Russian Deep State, which is in bed with the West,” an assertion for which no evidence is offered here or on any previous occasions by other asserters. How do I know what’s what? I examine the Russian government’s behavior at the federal, regional, and local levels, which is actually easy to do via primary sources. An adage was coined some decades ago: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. One of the reasons for my VK site is to document primary sources that provide such evidence. There’re no links to any evidence to support the great number of assertions made. Sorry, but that sort of work earns a failing grade.
Either cite sources to back assertions or don’t bother commenting. And citing a source that’s merely making unsupported assertions isn’t providing a valid source for an assertion. We see that here all the time and they mostly go unchallenged; personally, I just scroll by because they’re usually not worth my valuable, finite time to dispute. Outraged was great because he did a great deal of challenging, and that is sorely missed.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 11 2023 20:26 utc | 107

In that case, this NATO and earth no longer exist, you weirdo…
There will NEVER be an earth without Russia…
A world without NATO but yes!
Posted by: mo3.1 | May 11 2023 20:18 utc | 103

NATO has already attacked directly Russian strategic bombers (and not just once, but three times) as well as the Kremlin in the center of Moscow.
There was no response.
Now try to mentally imagine us discussing such actions in mid-2021. What would you have said the response would be?
This is NATO’s whole strategy — slowly boiling the frog.
Unless Russia is buying time to build up enough hypersonics and advanced anti-submarine and ABM systems to both fully wipe out NATO and survive the second strike, where this ends is with Russia’s strategic forces being disabled bit by bit by attacks deep inside the country by attacks launched by “Ukraine”, and then eventually a decapitation strike with thousands of cruise missiles launched from NATO subs, ships and planes. Or complete surrender long before that.
Putin could have preempted this by mobilizing a million men in March 2022, and completely smashing Ukraine before Western weapons started flowing in, and cutting off the escalation cycle. He didn’t do it, and now he faces the choice of all out nuclear war or surrender.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 11 2023 20:27 utc | 108

whirlX | May 11 2023 20:21 utc | 109
You can fly with transponder off or you can fake it or fake the website data. Not all you see on flightradar24 is guaranteed 100% to be real

Posted by: rk | May 11 2023 20:27 utc | 109

“A Ukrainian media group partnered with BBC, Der Spiegel and other Western outlets polled readers on which Russian intellectual should be assassinated following a car bomb attack on writer Zakhar Prilepin. The Biden administration has greenlit Kiev’s campaign of terror.”
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/05/09/ukrainian-media-car-bombing-russian-writer/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 11 2023 19:49 utc | 86

…and the winner is:
96% Other (please specify) – ‘That twat in the sweaty green t-shirt’
4% Bernard Henri-Levi

Posted by: ChatNPC | May 11 2023 20:28 utc | 110

ialystok very near Belorussia and to Rzezow airport – closest to Ukrainian border there is. Polish military transport planes are marked as PLF042, PLF043 etc.
No AWACS, nowhere near to be seen. Probably flying with AIS off.
Check it yourself at flightradar24.com
Love is in the air….
Posted by: whirlX | May 11 2023 20:21 utc | 109
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Nonsense!
They are flying to Kaunas…

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 20:28 utc | 111

It has been said that the Russian (i.e. Surovikin’s) plan never was to capture all of Bakhmut but to keep grinding the Ukies down. Prigozhin is inevitably right about something, having said diametrically opposite things in the space of a few days.

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 11 2023 20:29 utc | 112

So what to do? Well I think there is nothing to do. I think Putin is a stab in the back artist who has been on board with the globalist project all along. Horrible mistakes in Libya and Syria and Ukraine can no longer be considered just mistakes.
But let’s say I’m wrong and Putin isn’t a member of the globalist team (btw, I’m not against globalism per se – I’m against this Orwellian version). What to do? Well I’d say that a massive shakeup of the military leadership has to happen. That’s not going to be easy in the middle of a desperate situation. Probably impossible. It should have happened long ago. But there’s no choice now.
If Russian soldiers simply will not fight, Russia has no choice but to surrender. That is basic. If some will fight, they need to be given full support. No more insane ammunition games and all the rest. No more holding back firepower. Of course I’m not calling for the brutality of all out war American style, where it’s routine to incinerate entire cities. But I do think that the Bahkmut Citadel should have been utterly destroyed long since by a barrage of hypersonic missile followed by the heaviest bombs the Russians have.
That would be a start.
Russia has to start fighting this war like it means it. Nato surveillance cannot be allowed to continue. If Russia refuses to defend then it needs to go on the offensive like it means it. Blind Nato and then attack. Air Power has to join the battle. Nothing new here. IF you don’t have a fancy plan then for god’s sake stop being fancy.
If Russia proves me wrong over the next few days and weeks, well good. But they won’t. I hope they do. I want to be wrong. But I’m not.

Posted by: paul | May 11 2023 20:29 utc | 113

Re: Glorreiche NATO Counter Offensive in 24/25
I didn‘t say NATO would be successful, only that is how the Pentagon plans it’s wars. For example, The first attack on Iraq in 1991 saw essentially the entire US Army gathered in KSA.

Posted by: Exile | May 11 2023 20:30 utc | 114

Why the supply of “super-missiles” to Ukraine does not scare us: Russian air defense has been shooting down Storm Shadow since 2018
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27501/4761445/
Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 20:20 utc | 107

Again, the precedent is important here, much more than the actual damage from a couple dozen of these.
Russia cannot just accept ALCMs lobbed its way by NATO and preserve its status as a great power. Those are completely incompatible things.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 11 2023 20:30 utc | 115

If Russia proves me wrong over the next few days and weeks, well good. But they won’t. I hope they do. I want to be wrong. But I’m not.
Posted by: paul | May 11 2023 20:29 utc | 119
Russia doesn’t have to prove anything…to anyone…other than to themselves…
Wait till tomorrow!

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 20:32 utc | 116

Russia cannot just accept ALCMs lobbed its way by NATO and preserve its status as a great power. Those are completely incompatible things.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 11 2023 20:30 utc | 121
Russia is a great power, period!
UK is not, neither is the US.

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 20:34 utc | 117

NATO has already attacked directly Russian strategic bombers (and not just once, but three times) as well as the Kremlin in the center of Moscow.
.
.
Where…did you read that…on German TV?
There have always been incidents like this!
And probably no one intercepted anything…encountered at most!
Why don’t you mention that the Russians intercepted NATO fighters?
Or do you belong to those who believe or want to believe everything so that it fits into their ideas?
Have fun
And don’t hurt yourself thinking !!!

Posted by: mo3.1 | May 11 2023 20:35 utc | 118

Argument is: hurry up before China beds again with the USA, before South Africa gets choked by USA,
Posted by: whirlX | May 11 2023 20:21 utc | 109 ”
The chocking of South Africa might be coming sooner then anybody suspected.
– South Africa supplied arms to Russia – US ambassador Reuben Brigety –
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65563027

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 11 2023 20:39 utc | 119

I do not understand all this handwringing. Russia has had ample time to prepare for Ukraine’s offensive, which is likely to be underwhelming in any event. Russian intelligence gathering is such that they probably know every move that the enemy is making and possibly know much of it in advance. As b has written, Ukraine is short on manpower and firepower, regardless of what western countries may provide. On occasion, Russia may cede territory for tactical reasons, which will save lives and allow for strengthening the lines of defense. In the end, Ukraine is going to lose a huge number of soldiers and weapons. Russia will lose some as well, but far less.
Chill, dudes.

Posted by: Rob | May 11 2023 20:39 utc | 120

Russia has to choose – either attack or defend – or maybe both. There is always that possibility. But doing neither is not an option.
If doing neither is Russia’s plan, then they should cut to the chase and surrender.

Posted by: paul | May 11 2023 20:41 utc | 121

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 20:28 utc | 116
Nonsense!
They are flying to Kaunas…

Yes, now.
When I noticed them and wrote it down they were above Bialystok.
I do not know where to do they fly.

Posted by: whirlX | May 11 2023 20:41 utc | 122

“A battle is underway to repel an attack by a unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of the settlement of Maloilinovka, the enemy suffers significant losses in manpower and equipment – Russian Defense Ministry
This is to the east of Bogdanovka, where, according to the military correspondents of the PMC “Wagner”, the 9th motorized rifle regiment was moved 3 km earlier.”
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/30515
“The offensive operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not begin today.
An offensive operation is a long-term complex of measures coordinated between the branches of the armed forces and departments, requiring the setting in motion of tens of thousands of people. And it began by checking our guys in battle in Zaporozhye and Vugledar a few days and weeks ago.
Today, the concrete results of the offensive operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have become the most striking – the loss of positions and square kilometers in the Artemovsky (Bakhmut) direction. Unfortunately, there are footage from the places where the Nazis pose against the backdrop of abandoned anti-tank weapons.
The rest for now is the movement of equipment (Kharkiv region), the discharge of smoke (not the first month) of poisonous ammunition (home-made rubbish with chemistry, until the front-line soldiers do not confirm), the pulling of troops to the Zaporozhye front, the movement of equipment through the Dnepropetrovsk logistics hub. Boats on the Dnieper are only on the Internet so far. The shelling of the DPR is, alas, the harsh reality of recent years.
This does not mean that everything is fine and you can go to the beach. Leaving positions occupied as a result of long bloody battles is a failure. And there is nothing good in the enemy’s offensive during the 14th month of the war either. Old strategic miscalculations are evident.
We are talking about the fact that, as such, there is no news in the transition of the enemy to the attack . They prepared for it, somewhere better, somewhere worse. Now FABs and other wonderful products are flying through the clusters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Wagner fights in Bakhmut. In Zaporozhye, the guys looked through the thermal imager, near Ugledar, not for the first day, the gunners support the queen of the fields – the infantry.
What should we NOT do in this situation? Don’t panic. She definitely won’t help. And now the enemy will disperse lies about the “capture” of villages, the “transfer” of tanks, “explosions” everywhere. When addressing colleagues in the shop, remember that the enemy also attacks the feedback bots of telegram channels.
What should we do? That which is always. Help the front. We won (boasting) with the people’s money (bow to everyone) bought jeeps and one of them is prepared to be sent to the front. Speak only the truth that you have seen personally. Men get ready. Because the offensive will go on for more than one day (although the offensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is limited), and the war … the war will be long”
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/30508

Posted by: unimperator | May 11 2023 20:45 utc | 123

Putin could have preempted this by mobilizing a million men in March 2022, and completely smashing Ukraine before Western weapons started flowing in, and cutting off the escalation cycle. He didn’t do it, and now he faces the choice of all out nuclear war or surrender.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 11 2023 20:27 utc | 113

I completely agree with this.

Posted by: srbin | May 11 2023 20:45 utc | 124

The reports spread by individual Telegram channels about “defense breakthroughs” that took place in various parts of the contact line do not correspond to reality. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation issued a statement refuting the information about the massive breakthrough of the Ukrainian army at the front.

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 20:47 utc | 125

Peskov describes the Media situation that exists on all outlets big and small. In MoA’s case, the problem isn’t with b but with the troll army:
“To suddenly break that monopoly is impossible,” he explained. “But when we tried to compete with them a little, they immediately became hysterical. They tore off all masks right away and showed there is no freedom of the press over there. The moment any outlets became ‘uncomfortable’ to them, the moment they started presenting viewpoints different from their mainstream, they were banned.”
If you’ve habituated MoA for five or more years and look at what’s afoot now, the situation is very clear–the trolls are here to drown any attempts at discourse using a wide variety of ploys. The same is at work most everywhere as is documented by the Conspiracy Industrial Complex article I wrote about earlier today on the open thread.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 11 2023 20:49 utc | 126

The US ambassador to South Africa claims South Africa is sending arms to Russia. The US finds it difficult to accept Russia manufactures more cannon shells than all NATO countries together.
Maybe Russia bought a shipment of worn-out South African washing machines to harvest the computer chips Russia needs for making weapons

Posted by: Passerby | May 11 2023 20:50 utc | 127

Posted by: Et Tu | May 11 2023 19:42 utc | 77
Slavskiy is from the extremist wing of the Girkinite tendency, of which we have a few here as well.
Don’t believe me? Try posting your link over at Andrei M’s blog, see what reaction you get…

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 11 2023 20:51 utc | 128

Some youtube bloggers may have major egg on their faces tomorrow when they realize they were duped by bots and the Ukrainian ministry of Propaganda.
I’ve noticed that these guys tend to move arrows around as if they were reality. I wonder if they’re all getting their mapping info from the same source.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 11 2023 20:51 utc | 129

Sooner or later nuclear weapons are going to be used in this war.
It is a sad fact.

Posted by: srbin | May 11 2023 20:52 utc | 130

@ Deplorable Commissar | May 11 2023 20:39 utc | 125
– South Africa supplied arms to Russia
So what?
Casspir and Marauder are what the doctor prescribed for controlling the Ukrainian steppe and crossing the endless mined fields there.
Much better than any US, Russian or European equivalents.

Posted by: whirlX | May 11 2023 20:52 utc | 131

Personally, I think that the delusional ones are the US/UK/EU. They are shipping billions in weapons to the Ukraine and billions in funding. They can’t keep that up much/most of Europe is disarmed and the US is not doing well either. Better yet, the Russians destroy those weapons before they ever see combat. But this has to be the most delusional claim I’ve read:
The war in Ukraine will increasingly be a battle between large numbers of poorly trained Russian troops with outdated equipment and a smaller Ukrainian force with better Western weapons and training, NATO’s top military official said on Wednesday.
Really? You haven’t really encountered Russian troops for the most part, you’ve encountered Wagner group mercenaries and you’d better be glad that the Russians are using out dated weapons since they seem to work better than NATOs. And then we have the impending financial collapse of the West. I’m not talking about the real financial collapse if the US defaults. I’m talking about the de-dollarization, the over extension of the economies of The West brought on by inflation and excessive debt.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | May 11 2023 21:00 utc | 132

The telegram channel bloggers don’t have any inside info, so repeating what they write is just useless

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 21:01 utc | 133

srbin | May 11 2023 20:52 utc | 136
You are probaby correct. It may be productive to begin thinking about the circumstances of this and how the powers will try to limit their use to certain geographic areas.

Posted by: ZaZa | May 11 2023 21:02 utc | 134

If we take it as a given that the Zelenskyy regime is totally fine with the AFU taking massive casualties if that keeps Western money flowing, then we perhaps have a starting point to analyze this supposed major, “all or nothing”, offensive.
I doubt that the Kremlin planners and the senior staff of the Russian forces are influenced by propaganda that is in support of Ukraine, but it is an important component to analyze when studying what Ukraine’s newest series of attacks are all about.
I think they are meant to get Russia to lay down most of its cards, and expose the strengths and weaknesses of its several hands along and just behind the front lines. Furthermore, Ukraine hopes to get Russia to commit, and physically move, the bulk of its forces that have long been held in reserve. And the AFU wants to provoke Russia into an emotional response, “Unleash hell!”, and fire off a huge chunk of its reserves of missiles and drones at the forces that Ukraine has moved up, but which aren’t all that exposed, and which currently have air defenses that are as good as they are ever going to be during their long awaited offensive, whenever it does really happen.
I’m not saying Russia would ever “fire blind”, but rather that Ukraine is willing to accept moderate damage now rather than heavy damage in a few weeks, or days, when they do make their real concerted and concentrated attacks against a few Russian points.
I see the Zelenskyy regime as desperately committed to making a few breakthroughs of the Russian lines, with at least one of them being sizeable, and thus tying the hands of the governments of their Western allies, compelling them to send everything that can be loaded onto planes and ships, and send it to Ukraine, with the exception of missiles that could hit Moscow.
Reality doesn’t matter, as Karl Rove madly claimed, America will attempt to create one that suits it, and as long as it looks like “The time is now for giving Ukraine what it needs to defeat Russia”, Western governments will have to be seen as playing along. (Or so Zelenskyy hopes)
Having played along, they will be committed to financially supporting Zelenskyy’s government for at least another year, and since that massive commitment of funds would compromise all the political parties of all Western governments, Zelenskyy might then actually have won a commitment of never ending aid. He will have made propping up Ukraine essential to the survival of the political class of the West, and essential to the survival of the media that is allied with them.
Having spun their BS so long and hard, and now forced to spin it for years more, it would take forever for them to walk it back. See the Viet Nam war, and the war in Iraq for the precedent to the forces at play.

Posted by: Babel-17 | May 11 2023 21:04 utc | 135

NATO is dogshit and would lose to the Pakistani army in a fair fight.
Ukrainians are actually good fighters, they deserve some respect. Once the UAF is eliminated in terms of manpower, NATO is royally fucked. They are a bunch of pantied sissies who would run from the kind of trench warfare going on in Bakhmut/Artemovsk. After first shitting their pants.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 11 2023 21:05 utc | 136

In all seriousness, however, the “fabled Ukrainian offensive” began a week to two weeks ago. Those expecting blitzkrieg and fanfare will have to make do with what the Ukrainian army is capable of. Today’s Artyomovsk flank attacks are one of the stages—most likely Syrsky’s plan integrated into the larger design that will unfold over the weeks to come.
Neither army in the field is able to conduct sweeping operations to defeat the other. Russia—because of insufficient numbers, and Ukraine—due to lack of capability.
Both sides know that Ukraine’s (almost inevitable) failure in any attempt to conduct a blitzkrieg operation could result in the collapse of their frontlines. A classic stalemate ensues.
It can only be ultimately broken when Russia mobilizes enough men to field an army of a million—something I said was necessary last year. Until that’s done, this war will drag on, because Ukrainians are not stupid enough to do what every panic-monger claims they are about to do.
And so we wait.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45591

Posted by: Down South | May 11 2023 21:06 utc | 137

Deplorable Commissar @ 125

The chocking of South Africa might be coming sooner then anybody suspected.

Saw that, but it’s off not just the msm but the BBC which is the long ago outed voice of MI5, the BBC admitted it like 2 decades ago. The BBC is the UK limited hang out of record but without any of the subtly and sophistication of their cold war work. Nowadays they just outright make shit up, mostly jaw dropping stupid shit.
Could be they are laying the preliminary slandering of SA to justify economic attacks against a problematic black nation. Woke west having to deal with uppity blacks, a problem now more than ever. We respect then and want them to be free, just not that free!
The BRICS will be attacked in all sorts of ways, one by one, they need to move fast, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 11 2023 21:08 utc | 138

About the counteroffensive. None of the military correspondents did stuffing. The guys wrote the absolute truth that the equipment is on the way, that the fields are being cleared, the contingent is being increased in all directions, that they are tearing the flanks in Artemovsk. And all along the front, boys are dying every day.
This does not mean that everything is on fire in all directions, and thousands of kilometers are on fire. This means that the front begins to noticeably move.
There was preparation before that, but now it’s a more active phase. The fights don’t stop. Ukraine shells every day (they have enough shells, there is no limit on the number of shots). Ukraine is looking for where we are bursting at the seams. And a row of generals’ stripes are bursting at the seams.
And you should not panic, and scratch your belly too, otherwise I remember how they reassured me about Raisins, and about Balakleya, and about Liman. Mouths were shut, they say, do not sow panic. Nobody sows. Learn to work with information without adding your schizoidness to it.
And it is also not necessary to report where and where our fighters flew from. And then they themselves raised a panic, perverting Kots, Pegov and Poddubny, and then they also laid out all the cards on the table. You have to be smarter and smarter. Fools, damn it.

https://t.me/wargonzo/12461

Posted by: Down South | May 11 2023 21:09 utc | 139

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45591
Posted by: Down South | May 11 2023 21:06 utc | 143

Slavyangrad is just another Telegram blogger. Just like other bloggers does n;t have any inside info of the Russian Command.

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 21:10 utc | 140

Prigozhin is lying, Streklov is lying, partial mobilisations, lack of guided weapons, buying Krasnopol and drones from Iran, civilian centres still being shelled by artillery, forced withdrawals, front line 15kms from Donetsk city, Russia supplying Ukraine with oil, untouched Ukrainian rail and bridges, Ukraine still flying planes, unimpeded mass supply of armoured equipment and armament….
If Russia is winning, I’d hate to see what losing looks like.

Posted by: Johnycomelately | May 11 2023 21:10 utc | 141

“The statements spread by individual telegram channels about ‘defence breakthroughs’ in various sections of the line of contact are not true.
◽️As of 22:00 on 11 May 2023, in Kupyansk direction there are no active operations. The Zapad Group of Forces suppressed the actions of three enemy sabotage and reconnaissance groups.
◽️In Krasny Liman direction, the Tsentr Group of Forces repulsed two attacks by the enemy company tactical groups close to Kremennaya and Chervonaya Dibrova.
◽️In Donetsk direction, three enemy reconnaissance attempts were thwarted and eight attacks by the AFU against Russian positions were successfully repelled.
◽️Assault units continue to liberate the western part of Artyomovsk with air and artillery support.
◽️Units of the Yug Group of Forces are actively engaged in blocking Avdeevka and capturing Maryinka.
◽️The battle is currently under the way to repel an attack by the AFU unit in the direction of Maloilyinovka. Army and Ground-Assault aviation, as well as artillery are in combat. The enemy suffers significant losses in manpower and hardware.
◽️In Zaporozhye and Kherson directions, there are no active operations.
◽️The general situation in the area of the special military operation is under control.”
🔹 @mod_russia_en
https://t.me/mod_russia_en/7368
So there is little going on. The only active offensive they currently have is in the flanks of Bakhmut, where they managed to gain a little bit of terrain. Elsewhere ukro forces are getting whacked. No one has yet seen those Nato tanks, though.
If you read the BMA war analysis (latest), Aleks said that it’s very possible that there could be a feint with all the western tanks from Kharkov toward Belgorod. But Ukraine would gain very little politically by attempting it. It’s possible. Also, the main attack may actually be around Bakhmut, after all.
During last Falls Kharkov offensive, they managed to hide all their equipment and mercenaries in Kharkov city.

Posted by: unimperator | May 11 2023 21:11 utc | 142

TWO HUNDRED different flavors?! No military person who isn’t a massive liar would think that is a good idea, or somehow an advantage. It makes the dozen or so Wermacht armored vehicle chassis, vs. the Soviets having 3, post 1941, look like a logistical dream. It’s criminally incompetent. Even if they somehow break through, or have success, most of that equipment will end up broken down, or out of ammo, somewhere, possibly right in the middle of combat.
I am not sure that the counteroffensive will ever even be able to be really launched. My impression is that the Ukies are presently getting HAMMERED anywhere they try to concentrate. It will only get worse the closer they come to the front line.
The entire thing is a cruel, sick, illogical joke.

Posted by: muttman | May 11 2023 21:11 utc | 143

wargonzo too. Just a blogger

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 21:12 utc | 144

Based on cutting edge analytical technologies, the following scenario is becoming increasingly more likely. Perhaps not yet enough to bet on, but certainly reaching that liminal point of wagerability.
After months of fierce fighting in the east of the country, Ukraine launches a surprise offensive against Russian forces in the Bakhmut area, where they have been conducting “effective counterattacks” and inflicting heavy losses on the enemy1. Using long-range missiles supplied by the UK2, Ukraine manages to break through the Russian defences and advance towards the border with Russia. Along the way, they capture several strategic towns and villages, as well as a large number of Russian prisoners and weapons.
Meanwhile, in the south, Ukraine also pushes back the Russian troops that have been besieging Kherson and threatening to cut off the Crimean peninsula. With the help of NATO air support and naval forces, Ukraine secures the coast and prevents Russia from reinforcing its positions in Crimea. Ukraine also launches a series of raids and sabotage operations behind enemy lines, targeting Russian infrastructure and supply lines.
As Ukraine reaches the border with Russia, it faces a dilemma: whether to stop and consolidate its gains, or to cross into Russian territory and try to inflict more damage on the aggressor. Ukraine decides to take a bold gamble and sends a small but elite force into Belgorod oblast, a region that was part of Ukraine until 1954. The Ukrainian force aims to capture key facilities such as power plants, bridges, railways and military bases, as well as to raise the Ukrainian flag and rally the local population to their cause.
The incursion catches Russia off guard and causes panic and confusion among its ranks. Russia scrambles to mobilize its reserves and send reinforcements to the border, but faces difficulties due to its heavy losses, low morale, international pressure and internal dissent. Ukraine exploits this window of opportunity and makes rapid progress into Belgorod oblast, reaching as far as Stary Oskol, a city of over 200,000 people. There, they encounter fierce resistance from Russian troops and militias, who put up a desperate fight to defend their homeland.
The war escalates to a new level of intensity and danger, as both sides use their most advanced and lethal weapons. The world watches with alarm and anxiety, wondering if this will be the spark that ignites a global conflict.

Posted by: Ludovic | May 11 2023 21:14 utc | 145

Ghost of Zanon @ 142
No faith in the Great Army of Poland? Their masters have promised promotion from hyena to lion. Move over Ukraine, let Poland take over.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 11 2023 21:14 utc | 146

The incursion catches Russia off guard and causes panic and confusion among its ranks. Russia scrambles to mobilize its reserves and send reinforcements to the border, but faces difficulties due to its heavy losses, low morale, international pressure and internal dissent. Ukraine exploits this window of opportunity and makes rapid progress into Belgorod oblast, reaching as far as Stary Oskol, a city of over 200,000 people. There, they encounter fierce resistance from Russian troops and militias, who put up a desperate fight to defend their homeland.
The war escalates to a new level of intensity and danger, as both sides use their most advanced and lethal weapons. The world watches with alarm and anxiety, wondering if this will be the spark that ignites a global conflict.
Posted by: Ludovic | May 11 2023 21:14 utc | 151

Utter BS!

Posted by: ostro | May 11 2023 21:17 utc | 147

Prigozhin is lying, Streklov is lying, partial mobilisations, lack of guided weapons, buying Krasnopol and drones from Iran, civilian centres still being shelled by artillery, forced withdrawals, front line 15kms from Donetsk city, Russia supplying Ukraine with oil, untouched Ukrainian rail and bridges, Ukraine still flying planes, unimpeded mass supply of armoured equipment and armament….
If Russia is winning, I’d hate to see what losing looks like.
Posted by: Johnycomelately | May 11 2023 21:10 utc | 147
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Tip :
Register as Stredege in the Kremlin…..if you know better.
Don’t forget a crystal ball!

Posted by: mo3.1 | May 11 2023 21:18 utc | 148

@LightYearsFromHome
The Poles might at least not wear lingerie to the battle, I will give them that.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 11 2023 21:21 utc | 149

So does Bakhmut have any strategic significance or not?

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 11 2023 21:26 utc | 150

So does Bakhmut have any strategic significance or not?
Posted by: Jonathan W | May 11 2023 21:26 utc | 156

All the sports fan-like cheering/cursing is so pointless but your question has an answer: I have no idea what that answer was six months ago — but what do you think, does a place where tens of thousands of soldiers died, is that of strategic significance? (If you like historical comparisons, replace Bakhmut by other battles with major losses. Of course that’s significant.)

Posted by: Konami | May 11 2023 21:38 utc | 151

The main thrust of the Ukrainian offensive tonight is focussed on the Eurovision Song Contest of course, where they are virtually guaranteed success…

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 11 2023 21:41 utc | 152

😂Zelensky postpones the counter offensive😂 Yeh Sure Zel 😁🙈

Posted by: HERMIUS | May 11 2023 21:45 utc | 153

” Could be they are laying the preliminary slandering of SA to justify economic attacks against a problematic black nation. Woke west having to deal with uppity blacks, a problem now more than ever.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 11 2023 21:08 utc | 144 ”
If South Africa is a Black nation, is the US a White one ? What about England ? Italy ? Germany ? Russia ……

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 11 2023 21:48 utc | 154

“The HIMARS system has thereby turned out to more or less useless. The idea that such ‘quality’ weapons can beat the greater Russian ‘quantity’ of equally good weapons is, like so many, simply nonsense.”
Indeed, in fact the Russian system that is somewhat comparable to HIMARS is a lot more than “equally good”. The Tornado-S has 50% more range, double the number of launch tubes, among other beneficial features. Not the least of which is the wide array of ordnance for various special applications and the ability to independently target the cluster of missiles within a single volley. And of course RF has an unknown number of these but for sure it is a lot more than the “38” the Hohols have supposedly taken delivery of.

Posted by: nwwoods | May 11 2023 21:51 utc | 155

“Yes, now.
When I noticed them and wrote it down they were above Bialystok.
I do not know where to do they fly.”
Posted by: whirlX | May 11 2023 20:41 utc | 128
Good catch whirlx. Maybe indication of an incident in the making involving Kalingrad, the Suwalki corridor and Belarus. Maybe a diversion to force concentration of RU forces away from Ukrainian front. Maybe nothing, but most interesting bit of information posted sofar.

Posted by: Jerr | May 11 2023 21:53 utc | 156

149 Muttman,
Yes, comment that sticks, gracious!
The tanks have limited distance of ten miles, while in battle this is five miles distance. Refueling where? They will drive till run out fuel and that’s it?! Wow. Sucks to be them.
Amount of fuel needed would make a super-convoy of fuel trucks seen from space just to keep moving. Doubtful the they have fuel trucks or ammo trucks would double the convoy. Logistics would also need a double amount of support soldiers plus food.
Warfare this is called a dis-cordinated disaster, where politicians ordered troops to make a scene for TV.
So the SUPERTANKS are a psyop that failed without resupply

Posted by: Miguel | May 11 2023 21:56 utc | 157

The main thrust of the Ukrainian offensive tonight is focussed on the Eurovision Song Contest of course, where they are virtually guaranteed success…
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 11 2023 21:41 utc | 158
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Posted by: HERMIUS | May 11 2023 21:56 utc | 158

@Dave Oneil | May 11 2023 17:13 utc | 2
New video from the leader of Wagner Group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, he is upset and ready to pull out.
I ask one more time: Why is Wagner in Ukraine? The Russian Army had overwhelming advantages; it never needed help from mercenaries. Why are they there?
As I have said before, I share Machiavelli’s low opinion of mercenaries: they are treacherous, and they will betray you if they think they can make more money.

Posted by: Cyril | May 11 2023 22:03 utc | 159

Posted by: Ludovic | May 11 2023 21:14 utc | 151
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What an absolute load of tosh. And you know it. Wishful thinking my dear. Wishful thinking.

Posted by: HERMIUS | May 11 2023 22:08 utc | 160

@Johnycomelately | May 11 2023 21:10 utc | 147
“buying Krasnopol and drones from Iran”
Do you have a source for “buying Krasnopol .. form Iran”?
Krasnopol is a Russian weapon system. Iran is not even a user of it.

Posted by: NoName | May 11 2023 22:22 utc | 161

New video from the leader of Wagner Group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, he is upset and ready to pull out.
Posted by: Dave Oneil | May 11 2023 17:13 utc | 2
John Helmer:
That Prigozhin was confident of his immunity from prosecution in launching his tirade indicates official protection. His swearing, gesticulating, and facial contortions indicate staging, not for the Russian audience but for US and Ukrainian commanders and the western media. They are reporting Prigozhin’s statements as evidence of demoralization of Russian army units, logistical failures, insufficient ammunition, and vulnerability to the planned Ukrainian offensive due to start this month. The withdrawal from Artemovsk/Bakhmut by the Wagner forces also appears to be luring fresh Ukrainian reinforcements into the area (more)
https://johnhelmer.net/broadcasting-this-evening-from-the-kremlin-roof-for-tnt-radios-war-of-the-worlds/#more-87952

Posted by: nwwoods | May 11 2023 22:25 utc | 162

Declan Hayes declares a state of war exists between objective people and “NATO’s Quack Journalists [trolls and others who] Shill for Total War”:

Ukraine, as this informative article explains [link at original], is every bit as bad as the original Third Reich the CIA modelled it on, and Sarah Ashton-Cirillo, who holds his arms side-ways, is as guilty as anyone who gave Hitler, Himmler and their Ukrainian cronies a leg up. Though I have no idea what will happen to Lira or anyone else Zelensky’s Gestapo are currently torturing, I do know this. There can be no lasting peace in Europe, Sudan or anywhere else until Zelensky’s Nazis and all those BlackRock, Fox News, BBC and British Royalist charlatans who under-write them are kicked once and forever into the trash bin of history.
Though it is a tragedy that so many Russians have to die to rid the world of their Nazi venom, there is, at day’s end, no other way to end it. And, though the CIA continue to cause so many totally avoidable deaths in Ukraine, in Palestine, in Syria and, again, in Sudan, those deaths, along with the nonsense of Sarah Ashton-Cirillo, the Zelenskys, the BBC and the CIA’s other apologists, will continue until they lose both the hot and soft wars.
The hot war is in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces and NATO. There is nothing, besides joining up, we can do about it. The soft war, the one Sarah Ashton-Cirillo (who holds his arms sideways), the Zelenskys and the BBC fight, is a different matter. We are duty-bound, with those who know how to handle firearms and who can differentiate truth from lies, to take them on and destroy both them and the lies they spin. [My Emphasis]

120 years ago, what Hayes wants to expunge was called Yellow Journalism. Almost as long ago it began infecting governments, particularly those engaged in the Age of Plunder as they had to lie to their publics about the mayhem and chaos they were causing all for A few Dollars More. Double standards were rife, with Wilson’s Fourteen Points being front and center followed by all the high jinks during the 1930s made to mask involvement in Hitler’s promotion. Then we got the UN and its famous Charter which the host and sponsoring government had no intention of honoring despite such behavior being unconstitutional, dishonorable, massively unethical and immoral. IMO, Zakharova’s description of all those as Dead Souls is quite proper if we’re to avoid Manichean dialogs–Were Orcs evil at base or merely beings with dead souls?

Posted by: karlof1 | May 11 2023 22:30 utc | 163

the CBC is reporting that Canada is training Ukrainian forces in Poland, Latvia and Estonia. Between this and the issues with China, the Canadian government is most probably going to go down with the sinking ship it, a little pathetic canoe, is tethered to.

Posted by: Hank | May 11 2023 22:34 utc | 164

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 11 2023 18:29 utc | 31
Take a deep breath… The sky is not falling.
Posted by: ctiger | May 11 2023 18:37 utc | 33
The sky is falling in the region we are discussing.

Posted by: MiniMo | May 11 2023 22:34 utc | 165

The Ukrainian counteroffensive appears to consist of 7-8 trolls with multiple usernames, pounding away at keyboards in the basements of the West’s security services.
Ineffective, pathetic and pointless.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | May 11 2023 22:35 utc | 166

I get the impression that a very large fraction of the commenters here are either hyper-deluded, or just trolling as best they can, or something like that. The Ukraine has one large asset — its military. They really don’t have very much of anything else. They had great farmland, but they have managed to seriously pollute much, perhaps most of it. They had great industry, which they used to pollute the farmland, and then sold off to other places in the world. They must have actually listened to the experts from Harvard, Yale, etc. I don’t think Russia’s aim is to conquer that wrecked and polluted land — the goal is simply to destroy the Ukraine’s military machine, and then semi-colonize the menace on their border. They happen to be succeeding. They could wipe out the Ukraine as a habitable region simply by bombing the super-high-voltage substation transformers which, unlike the transmission lines, could never realistically be replaced. Then hardly anybody could ever live there anymore.
The real danger is neither the Ukraine nor Taiwan. If Finland joins NATO and puts nuclear missile bases on Russia’s border, Russia will presumably demolish those bases with hypersonic missiles. Then…

Posted by: blues | May 11 2023 22:37 utc | 167

Only thing I’ll say is that numerous sources from the AFU continue to maintain that the Wagner saga was an illusion, and that no ammunition depletion is recorded. For instance, in a new CNN article, spokesman for AFU’s eastern grouping, Serhii Cherevatyi, said:
“Now they are firing more than 20,000 shells a day. That’s why (Prigozhin’s remarks on ammunition starvation) is a complete bluff,” he said.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-5723-prigozhins-masterpiece

Posted by: nwwoods | May 11 2023 22:40 utc | 168

Only thing I’ll say is that numerous sources from the AFU continue to maintain that the Wagner saga was an illusion, and that no ammunition depletion is recorded. For instance, in a new CNN article, spokesman for AFU’s eastern grouping, Serhii Cherevatyi, said:
“Now they are firing more than 20,000 shells a day. That’s why (Prigozhin’s remarks on ammunition starvation) is a complete bluff,” he said.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-5723-prigozhins-masterpiece

Posted by: nwwoods | May 11 2023 22:40 utc | 169

Posted by: Altai | May 11 2023 17:38 utc | 8
«What? Mercenaries complaining? Mercenaries not being very selfless? What?»
IIRC the Wagner PMC is not a PMC and is not a mercenary unit for the RF, it is a military unit of the RF state (not necessarily part of the RF Army though) that because of its special legal status in the RF (similar to that of the french Foreign Legion or the english Gurkha Regiment) can do mercenary work for other states under RF law. Even the USA military and other armed forces have done operations paid for by other states, and they have foreign citizen contract soldiers too.

Posted by: Blissex | May 11 2023 22:52 utc | 170

@Dave Oneil | May 11 2023 17:13 utc | 2
@Jonathan W | May 11 2023 21:26 utc | 156
A wounded animal works to hide the injury because predators who see it are more likely to attack. When an animal readily displays and injury, it is to invite an attack. It is the predator.
For whatever reason, Ukraine’s military are treating Bakhmut as if it is strategically important. Prigozhin is going around in circles, draging a wing behind himself. He knows that holding Bakhmut isn’t important, but destroying Ukrainian forces are. There aren’t civilians left in the city, and the buildings will be razed and new ones built after the war. Prigozhin is trying to draw large Ukrainian forces into the city, and his forces will leave through the protected exit route that will be heavily mined behind them. Then RF aircraft can level the entire city and whatever Ukrainian forces that remain.
At least, that’s how I would play it. I have no special knowledge or experience in such things.

Posted by: barstool | May 11 2023 22:52 utc | 171

Looks like hunting season is underway in Bakhmut…
Posted by: I suck pootin cock | May 11 2023 18:10 utc | 25
While you are here at MOA, you might want to find Peter AU1, he appears to be still asleep this morning..

Posted by: Ново з | May 11 2023 22:53 utc | 172

151.
I can only stand stunned by the perfection of the hubris distilled in that fantasy, like the most fatuous diamond, an impossibly unaware matrix of purest projection.
Here’s a more likely scenario as I reckon.
There is no offensive, because every concentration of troops gas or munitions gets whacked from over yhe horizon. Instead there are dozens of the same-old same-old reconnaissance in force sorties with high casualties rates already observed.
While the war continues to turn NATO hardware donations into so much scrap metal, pressure continues to mount on Western economies. Additional bank failures are observed. Significant unrest develops in some countries.
Russia cotinues to make incremental gains at minimal casulaties, drawing out the conflict for maximal economic and reputational damage to the presumed world leader. As the Donbass falls entirely, the cost of supporting the war, the sanctions and the entire defunct Ukrainian economy causes hyperinflation and currency collapse in several NATO countries.
This is not an outcome I like. I would like the dipshits behind this criminal war to come to their senses before they fuck up even more. These fucking clowns are incompetent. They’ve pushed Russia into a defacto defensive alliance with China. The fuck, you complete imbeciles.
My prognostication feels closer to reality.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 11 2023 22:54 utc | 173

srbin | May 11 2023 20:52 utc | 136
You are probaby correct. It may be productive to begin thinking about the circumstances of this and how the powers will try to limit their use to certain geographic areas.
Posted by: ZaZa | May 11 2023 21:02 utc | 140

Also from our selfish point of view, it is important.
How would the western elite like to survive nuclear war?
How can we survive it?
Can we survive it?

Posted by: srbin | May 11 2023 23:03 utc | 174

Cyril | May 11 2023 22:03 utc | 165–
Wagner was hired by Russia’s Ministry of Defense (MoD) to augment Russia’s initially small force it had at the SMO’s beginning, and a great many lies circulate about what it is and how it’s employed. And all this is now greatly confused by its CEO who’s become a media clown. The MoD is Wagner’s employer and thus its boss, its manager, and so forth. Wagner’s services have also been hired by several African nations. Mercenaries are not free spirits, nor are they like the hired guns depicted in Hollywood Westerns. That isn’t to say that some companies like Blackwater operate in that manner because they’re either told to do so or are allowed regardless the collateral carnage they cause. Note that in the SMO Wagner isn’t aimed at civilian nodes, only military objectives, which is also how the Russian military is focused. And like any other military unit, it will be removed from the FEBA when its combat time has expired and needs to R&R for its next employment.
I don’t know the exact terms of the contract between the MoD and Wagner Group. I do know that those employed by Wagner are eligible for the same benefits as those within Russia’s military and also receive medals and other accolades. To qualify for employment by Wagner, applicants are subjected to extremely rigorous testing and training with something like 70% washing out, making Wagner forces akin to Special Forces troops. And in the few instances where I’ve seen them operate, that’s how they conduct themselves. They’re not at all what are called irregular forces. After Bakhmut is over, Wagner will be removed from the FEBA for R&R. Will the current uproar begin again when they return to battle? How long is that contract for? Given Wagner forces performance, why do people believe Prigozhin’s antics–does it look like Wagner suffers from ammo hunger? IMO, he’s an excellent fisherman as many took his bait.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 11 2023 23:05 utc | 175

“The russian army protecting the flanks around Wagner isn’t willing to fight and is retreating when attacked.” – Neofeudalfuture
If they remain and engage they prevent efficient use of their artillery. Why lose an advantageous KIA ratio by being a target?

Posted by: tom paine | May 11 2023 23:06 utc | 176

The fog of war is so great that I cannot get a definitive answer on….anything. It’s all totally opaque, with so much shit flying around that sorting truth from fiction is impossible. Has the great offensive started or not? You would think that at least the answer to that question would be clear. But it’s not.
As I have ruminated on this conflict all day, reading another of the seemingly endless posts about civilians getting killed in the Donbass from shelling by the Ukrainians, I could help but thinking that after a year and a half of this conflict, Russia has been unable to push the Ukrainians back the distance of an artillery shell. That got me thinking about why the hell they haven’t taken out the bridges. Why the hell haven’t they more aggressively interdicted western arms shipments. Why the hell are the lights still on in Kiev and Kharkov.
Eventually, even the bumbling fools in NATO will eventually get their act together. Eventually the insane madmen in Washington will take us over the edge, if you give them enough time.
Is Russia even trying to win? After a year and a half, that is the question I am left with. Or the flip side, are they so incompetent or corrupt they can’t win. WTF…..

Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 11 2023 23:06 utc | 177

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 11 2023 22:54 utc | 179
Our spurious leaders need a good shoeing, before being shown the door. Head first.

Posted by: GT Stroller | May 11 2023 23:08 utc | 178

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 11 2023 20:15 utc | 100
«If UK cruise missile flying at Russian airfields without Russian doing anything to stop is Russia winning, I hate to imagine what a draw would look like…»
A lot of people here seem to hugely underestimate how big Ukraine is, that the RF is even bigger, and both are sparsely populated. As someone wrote in an article, war in the steppes and forests of that part of the world is more like naval warfare on an ocean with some islands, than fighting in densely populated areas like Italy or Germany or Belgium (the “blue banana”, “lotharingia”).
The RF has the additional problem that the Moscow region is enormous, a capital that is even bigger and more important than London or Paris are for their states, and even the rest of the european side of the RF is consequently fairly empty (except for Leningrad/St. Petersburg).
https://earth.google.com/web/@56.26201954,24.55380941,3281.17192809a,7387962.30544209d,35y,355.22114241h,0t,0r/data=CiQSIhIgMGY3ZTJkYzdlOGExMTFlNjk5MGQ2ZjgxOGQ2OWE2ZTc
As to that I think that it would be impractical but the RF capital should probably be moved east of the Urals, I would suggest Tyumen (or Perm if still on the other side).

Posted by: Blissex | May 11 2023 23:11 utc | 179

«The RF has the additional problem that the Moscow region is enormous, a capital that is even bigger and more important than London or Paris are for their states, and even the rest of the european side of the RF is consequently fairly empty (except for Leningrad/St. Petersburg).»
https://www.nightearth.com/?@56.994389,34.37712,3.707392608781334z&data=$bWVsMg==

Posted by: Blissex | May 11 2023 23:17 utc | 180

The blockbuster “greatest counter offensive” appears to be just like most Hollywood B grade movies: A lot of advertising to get people’s attention but the movie is not even worth the effort to watch.

Posted by: George | May 11 2023 23:18 utc | 181

Leser | May 11 2023 19:19 utc | 58
Looks like this war is now being repositioned as a new Forever War. Perhaps this was on the cards all along
No.
The plan was the Sanctions From Hell ™️ would destroy Russia within 6weeks to six months, max.
USNATO certainly wanted a war.
But the war they are now fighting is *not* the war they planned.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 11 2023 23:19 utc | 182

Many years ago I purchased a Swedish 6.5mm Mauser, made in the 1920’s.
It still works very well.
As long as the rifling in the barrel isn’t worn, and the bolt is lubricated, no issues.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 11 2023 23:31 utc | 183

@ Posted by: whirlX | May 11 2023 20:21 utc | 109
There are military systems other than std commercial transponders that will allow many aircraft to operate in areas together without interference.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 11 2023 23:36 utc | 184

Bit of bedlam in the bar tonight …. the ‘Utras’ must be playing locally … be gone tmro ….
Prigozhin has regularly stated that Wagner’s remit is to destroy the enemy: period.
On that note, Wagner have been, and continue to be, highly successful.
Of course, I’m pretty sure that Prigozhin did not design the military strategy.

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 11 2023 23:37 utc | 185

Bakhmut holds!

Posted by: Happy Grandpa | May 11 2023 23:38 utc | 186

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 11 2023 20:27 utc | 113
NATO has already attacked directly Russian strategic bombers […] as well as the Kremlin in the center of Moscow. There was no response.

This must be qualified. There was no response that we know of. And what we know is just the mediasphere, twittersphere and assorted spheres.
Most of us here are just speculating.
Except karloff that sets the bar at this standard @112 (20:26 utc):
“I examine the Russian government’s behavior at the federal, regional, and local levels, which is actually easy to do via primary sources. An adage was coined some decades ago: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
By the way, maestro karloff, since a while I noticed Pepe’s propension to fall for shinny information objects that end up being vapor… He tells us roloslavskiy’s article is The Thing but doesn’t provide any evidence himself. Well, that seems to be the zeitgeist.

Posted by: Madame Guillotine | May 11 2023 23:47 utc | 187

BroncoBilly | May 11 2023 23:31 utc | 189
DPR were modifying WWII Mosin–Nagants for sniper rifles. They had a CNC machine making new stocks to float the barrel and with that they could compete with the Ukraine snipers using latest US rifles.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 11 2023 23:50 utc | 188

Posted by: karlof1 | May 11 2023 20:26 utc | 11
Yes, fully agree. But more importantly the Western media is also selling the illusion that Kiev has a chance.
I refuse to believe that the Pentagon and the Western military establishments are manned by people who know nothing of war. Various statements, the most explicit being Cavoli’s, show that there are those around who do. And Cavoli’s only saying much the same as such as Kujat have been saying all along. European NATO is not able to defeat Russia and therefore the Ukrainians will not. Russia can only win and all we are doing is sitting around waiting to see how it decides to do so.
So why the insistence in the Western press, an insistence one sees spilling over into the internet sites, that there is a possibility of Kiev coming out of the war with anything other than total defeat? Why are they still fooling us?
For the West this is a relatively cheap war in direct costs. Much of the equipment supplied is old inventory. Might even be cheaper to lose it in Ukraine than scrap it. The more modern weapons sent will have to be replaced and that means full order books for the Western arms factories. Western casualties are low, don’t seem to get talked about much in the media, and that means no public unease about body bags coming home.
True, the West is having to pay large sums to keep the Ukrainian economy afloat but that will be reduced soon and in any case some of the money comes back.
So this is, as I’ve seen said in several places, a relatively cheap way of “bleeding the Russians”. The figure of 20,000 Russian dead one sees mentioned often is probably realistic. That figure’s usually mentioned to show that the Russians are suffering far less than the Ukrainians – as if that comparison renders the Russian 20,000 dead somehow acceptable.
It’s not. Scaling up for population size it’s what the US lost in the Vietnam war and there are undoubtedly more Russians to die. Proxy deaths, as ever, are of little genuine interest to the Western politicians. Russian deaths and the other costs to Russia are. So the Russians are indeed being “bled”, to the satisfaction of the Western politicians, and that at comparatively small cost to the West.
Of course the indirect costs to the West are a different matter. The economic cost to the West of the blowback from the sanctions war is immense. But that must be looked at in another way.
Europe is now locked into permanent hostility to Russia and by extension to most of the non-Western world. It is now securely locked in to the Western orbit. As Borrell has already worked out Germany, formerly the industrial powerhouse of Europe, must now pay for LNG instead of piped. It will lose therefore the competitive industrial advantage it enjoyed over many non-Western countries.
It will also, again as Borrell remarked, lose the full access to the global economy it had enjoyed. So, to a lesser degree, will the rest of continental Europe. My own country will also suffer by losing full access to the global market for its services. Reinsurance is the obvious example but there are others.
This will come at some cost to the peoples of Europe. Locking Europe into the Western camp and thus losing at least some access to the rest of the world will not be cheap.
I can think of no other example in recent history where the aims of the politicians have been so entirely at variance with the interests of the electorate they represent. “We the People” will live harder now that our governments have succeeded in locking us into the Western camp.
It could not have been done without revolution had we the people not supported those governments. The war hysteria and the hatred of Russia engendered by this unnecessary war has served that purpose.
So the Western press, a press that is, as General Vad explicitly says, willing participant in the information war that has been waged on us, will continue to insist that Ukraine is in with a chance. The war hysteria will be kept going as long as possible. The longer it can be kept going, the more securely we can be fixed in our dislike of Russia and our desire to do it harm.
And when it is over and the war hysteria abated “We the People” shall find ourselves locked in to Cold War II and accepting – or the most of us accepting – the inevitable economic cost that will be the price of it.

Posted by: English Outsider | May 11 2023 23:52 utc | 189

Wow, what a waste of a thread. Only karlof1’s was worth scanning, the rest is troll garbage.
This is what one gets when one leaves trash like shadowbanned to post ad nauseum. b, take note.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 11 2023 23:56 utc | 190

There is a growing rebellion against McGregor, Mercouris, Escobar, etc. The intelligent criticism is that they only talk to each other and live in an echo chamber. Berletic is still valuable in my view, but I can no longer listen to the others. Reports of the imminent overthrow of the west by BRICS are premature. The analysis here is still excellent but I am not predicting Western collapse soon. The world still dances to the US drum.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 11 2023 23:57 utc | 191

An interview that Oleksei Arestovich conducted with the Ukrainian channel Apostrof TV on 18 March 2019 has been floating around YouTube for quite a while now, but this is the first print transcript I’ve seen: …
Posted by: moabserver | May 11 2023 18:08 utc | 24

… 18 min interview …
Predicted Russian – Ukrainian war in 2019 – Alexey Arestovich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | May 11 2023 23:58 utc | 192

by: karlof1 | May 11 2023 20:26 utc | 112
> Of claims, fiction, bullshit and buffoonery:
We see that here all the time and they mostly go unchallenged; personally, I just scroll by because they’re usually not worth my valuable, finite time to dispute. Outraged was great because he did a great deal of challenging, and that is sorely missed.
Amen, brother.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2023 0:00 utc | 193

Ново з | May 11 2023 22:53 utc | 178
I know I shouldn’t have… but I laughed very loud.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2023 0:08 utc | 194

I agree with RSH. These comments are almost unreadable.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 12 2023 0:11 utc | 195

@karlof1 | May 11 2023 23:05 utc | 181
Wagner was hired by Russia’s Ministry of Defense (MoD) to augment Russia’s initially small force it had at the SMO’s beginning, and a great many lies circulate about what it is and how it’s employed.
Was Wagner fighting seriously in Ukraine before or after Russia added 300,000 men to its army? If after, I still must wonder why Russia needed extra help.
Given Wagner forces performance, why do people believe Prigozhin’s antics–does it look like Wagner suffers from ammo hunger? IMO, he’s an excellent fisherman as many took his bait.
What stuck me is that in his previous video Prigozhin attacked his boss, Sergei Shoigu. This is not what he would do if he expected to be hired again by the same man. So Prigozhin needed free weapons for campaigns elsewhere. This would explain his ammo hunger.
Wagner’s services have also been hired by several African nations.
This supports my theory, that Wagner needs to find work elsewhere and needs weapons, preferably some free ones. I would not be surprised to find the group fighting for the US, indirectly, and against the Russian interests there.

Posted by: Cyril | May 12 2023 0:12 utc | 196

Posted by: karlof1 | May 11 2023 20:26 utc | 112
My reply above to 112, not 11 (now 10)

Posted by: English Outsider | May 12 2023 0:15 utc | 197

English Outsider | May 11 2023 23:52 utc | 195
“So why the insistence in the Western press, an insistence one sees spilling over into the internet sites, that there is a possibility of Kiev coming out of the war with anything other than total defeat? Why are they still fooling us?”
It’s not just aimed at people in the West. Russians read that stuff too. It’s part of the plan to isolate Russia and make the Russian people feel like pariahs. They are supposed to overthrow their government. It doesn’t seem to be working.

Posted by: dh | May 12 2023 0:18 utc | 198

Melaleuca | May 12 2023 0:08 utc | 200
Scrolling through the first page of comments, I though I had somehow mistakenly stumbled into a gay bar. Best comment there was something about too much estrogen in the water.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 12 2023 0:19 utc | 199

LGBT+XYZ is so big in the US that even their paid internet trolls cant help themselves
LoL
Its funny and sad to read the cringy stuff on first pages of this thread
LoL

Posted by: Comandante | May 12 2023 0:23 utc | 200