Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 6, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Bakhmut – Prigozhin – Counteroffensive

Some 10% of Bakhmut/Aryomovsk, with two distinct areas, are still in Ukrainian hands.


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The northern area consists of single dwellings amongst gardens and trees. The southern area is full of high-rises with little green in between.


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Yesterday the head of the Wagner mercenaries Yevgeny Prigozhin published a video. Standing in front of a number of dead corpses he publicly attacked the Russian minister of defense over an alleged lack of ammunition. He claimed that it had caused those casualties. A day before those troops had tried to further penetrate the upper area and got caught in an ambush. Bad for them but not a cause of serious concern.

'Western' media like to see such Prigozhin tirades as a sign of infighting within the Russian military apparatus. I have long stopped to listen to Prigozhin. Militarily the Wagner troops are just a part of the Russian army and under its command. Prigozhin's concern is marketing for his Wagner enterprise and for the large share he receives from the monthly bill his company sends to the Russian Ministry of Defense. Politically there is no roll for him.

That his claims of lack of ammunition had been just a show was proven some 12 hours after he published his video.

Here are drone shots of the Bakhmut high-rises still in Ukrainian hands after the received a visit by incendiary missiles.


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The same view in infrared. The white spots are burning hot.


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Video of the attack can be seen here and here.

So there is your lack of ammunition. Anything that was outside of the high-rises, trucks, soldiers and supplies, was likely destroyed.

Prigozhin troops have been in the fight for quite some time. They need some rest and will soon move out. The Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov admonished Prigozhin for his public stunt. If needed his troops will replace the Wagners and finish the Bakhmut fight. Meanwhile the attention will move to a different front.


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The long announced Ukrainian counter-offensive will probably start on Victory Day, May 9. One axis of the attack will be in the Zaporizhia region towards south in an attempt to reach the sea. But the first important aim is likely the retaking of the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant near the city of Enerhodar south of the Dnieper basin. Its economic importance to Ukraine is immense as it can easily sell the electricity the six reactors generate to Europe. There is little other income the Ukraine still has.

The Russian military has asked civilians in 17 towns within 50 kilometer (30 miles) of the current frontline to evacuate the area. The Russian army has also prepared defense lines and moved reserves to the south of the region.

The success of the Ukrainians will depend on the gadgets its 'western' supporters have supplied it with. We may see some unexpected weapons or longer range missiles in the field. There is likely also some new bridging equipment that will help with crossing the Dnieper in the Kherson region for a secondary axis. A third axis, or perhaps a diversion, in the northeast towards Soledar is also possible.

The first days of the new fight will be confusing with lots of false claims and propaganda from both sides. We will all have to sit back and wait until the fog of war rises enough to paint a picture of the new situation.

Comments

At this moment the name of the poster appears at the bottom of the post. Perhaps putting the name of the poster at the top would make it easier to skip posts by trolls?
Posted by: Passerby | May 6 2023 20:38 utc | 94
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Trolls play an important part for every blog and web site. Counterpunch does not allow comments to Trolls and anyone else. I hate it…..

Posted by: Ed | May 6 2023 20:50 utc | 101

THE FOG OF WAR CONTINUES:
Well written article. It makes as much sense and more sense of the crazy situation that now occurs as anything else that I have read or heard.

Posted by: young | May 6 2023 20:53 utc | 102

unimperator | May 6 2023 17:09 utc | 3
Well said.
Never forget the original LPR, DPR militia, collection of National Guards (OMON), VDV and Naval Infantry units destroyed the 1st heavily armed and best trained Ukrainian army. All entrenched in specially fortified objectives. With minimum force allocation due to the nature of the SMO and contract service structure.
All this units did not have it’s own organic armour, artillery or air support that Wagner did.
Again, due to the SMO complication and as a stop gap measure to plug the gap while mobilisation and redeployment/change of strategy to take place (covered in depth by MoA, Big Serge, Simplicius and others) Wagner was used.
Prigozhin is interesting. My gut feeling is he is playing his role to perfection. A lot of his accusations are defamatory and covered by the new Russian laws, yet, he is not being charged. Wagner is probably going to be redeployed back to the African continent, where they are needed, and all these theatrics are a smoke screen.
Kadyrov also made very public complaints when he singled out Col. Gen Lapin for blame.
Finally, why use incendiaries in buildup areas when you have Tos thermobaric?
This Warger produced movie shows how they usually operated.
https://www.dailyo.in/news/the-best-in-hell-is-an-unbiased-ukraine-war-film-produced-by-a-russian-mercenary-38574

Posted by: Suresh | May 6 2023 20:54 utc | 103

” perhaps your illiteracy of my handle gives you away
Posted by: AleaJactaEst | May 6 2023 20:45 utc | 99 ”
You expect me to deeply ponder the stupid ” handle” of every two-bit poster here ? I asked you a simple question, dont waste my time.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 6 2023 20:55 utc | 104

Even a barstool can be right at times. Per Donbass Devushka on Telegram:
The tasks of the operation, which were carried out by PMC “Wagner” in Artemovsk(Bakhmut) of the Donetsk People’s Republic, have been fully completed. This was stated by the founder of “Wagner” Yevgeny Prigozhin.
According to him, the operation “Bakhmut meat grinder” was designed “mainly not to take the settlement of Bakhmut, but to grind the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and organize a respite for the Russian army to restore combat capability.”

Posted by: barstool | May 6 2023 20:59 utc | 105

Anonymous@92….miss last night’s Bakhmut BBQ? Toss another U on the Q…..great plan, as long as you hold something…….anything……makes sense in a Ukrainian sort of way.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 6 2023 20:59 utc | 106

The war is not stagnant. It’s an attritional fight until the total exhaustion of one side or another, with no way for a quick knockout short of a nuclear strike. Which city it’s fought in, or the location of the front lines barely matter. What matters is the capacity to continue to wage war. History shows that countries can take quite a bloodletting before collapsing, so Ukraine may continue to hang on for a while, but behind the front lines it is becoming an increasingly hollow entity. Demographically and economically, its probably already ruined beyond the capacity of any recovery effort it may see after the war.
Russia has imposed upon Ukraine the imperative to regain lost territories. For reasons of its own, Ukraine also can’t stop fighting or the ground falls out under the Kiev elites. An offensive war of the kind that they’d need to win is not feasible. Their only hope is that Russia collapses and that is looking very distant at the moment. The Kremlin knows all this and they use most means at their disposal to win, short of those that would overextend society and the state or alienate allies. Yes, they can draft a million men, but someone needs to work in the real economy too – not just fuel the wartime waste and consumption. Yes, they can nuke a few cities to try to intimidate the West and the Ukrainian leadership into disarray – but the international condemnation would be widespread and they could lose support of many independent players. They still feel they can win this way and they’re probably right. For Ukraine this is, for all intents an purposes, a slow motion suicide.

Posted by: V99 | May 6 2023 21:06 utc | 107

Peter AU1: Agreed. I don’t recognize today’s Canada, and am still stunned it’s fallen so fast and so far since, say, 2014, when I proudly squired around foreign visitors from Europe.
wagelaborer: I want to believe you’re right about nuclear weapons. I think you are, not because I don’t think there are neocon / deep state actors willing to go “all the way” but because I think there are enough sane people in the US military, and maybe some spooks, to head this off. Of course, things happen that no one intended, too.
James–we waited for your reply to our offer but regret to inform you that we’ve decided to go in another direction from Samantha the Shrill:
Sanna Marin.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | May 6 2023 21:12 utc | 108

@106
my, aren’t we a jumped up little Himmler.
At least I’ve distracted your somewhat pathetic incontinence all over b’s floor.

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | May 6 2023 21:15 utc | 109

RE: “bored” & “Deplorable Commissar”
” Meanwhile none of Russia’s ‘allies’ are worth sh|t. Sitting back and watching while Russia does all the heavy lifting by itself. Good luck people of Russia, you’re going to need it.
Posted by: bored | May 6 2023 18:16 utc | 33 ”
“China, paging duplicitous China, please pick up the phone.”
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 6 2023 19:32 utc | 62
I agree 100%… the only “ally” straight up was North Korea offering 200, 000 troops—- I’d be only phone, signing a security pact & tell Kim Yong Un to see that their 200,000 are boarded on a train Monday, with the mission of securing Lviv and all Nazi strongholds …”enemy of my enemy “… and all that stuff… lol 😂…. I know… I’m daydreaming….
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 6 2023 20:19 utc | 84
Hard to tell if the size 10 AI is fitted with a size 9 hat.
Why does Russia need “allies” to fight along side them while the Russian Cat toys with the Ukie Mouse? Russia cannot and will not lose this battle on their Western Border.
Want to bet a nickle that the Patriots are all scalped before the end of the month?

Posted by: kupkee | May 6 2023 21:17 utc | 110

Paul Damascene | May 6 2023 19:40 utc | 68–
Thanks for your reply. As a Eurasian Civilization, Russia is rather late compared with China, India, and the Malay, the latter including Indonesia. There are also the many Nomadic peoples of the Eurasian Steppe, of which the Mongols are the most evident, but also include a varied cast of Turkic peoples. Bering’s famous expeditions didn’t begin until 1725. Here’s an excellent map depicting Russia’s Imperial expansion proving Russia was mostly a Eurocentric nation until @ 1600. The “Look to the West” has long been a staple of Russia’s geopolitical outlook until very recently. So, yes, Putin and team have had to readjust themselves–with great reluctance–to looking East and to educate Russian society to do that as well, which means a adjusting education, etc.
We can assume that Russia was impacted by Western Orientalism along with its centuries long drive to establish itself on the Black Sea in which it battled the Turk and mostly Turkic peoples over the centuries. Some very advanced peoples were pushed out by that movement, the Circassians being one, while other resisted fiercely, the Chechens being the best example. It must also be recalled that French was the language of the Russian Court for many decades, and that many of its officers and Tsarist officials were from other European nations. Bering was Danish, for example. When I read Vernadsky’s multivolume history of Russia, I was rather surprised that there were very few attempts to Russianize the peoples whose regions they absorbed, particularly in Central Asia. I learned that was something retained from Russia’s experience with the Mongols, the only peoples/nation to conquer Russia. Vernadsky’s volume on that experience is a must read.
I should add that Russia’s new Foreign Policy Concept must be read alongside its several joint declarations with China and with Xi’s three Initiatives for they are a team here in trying to end the Age of Plunder and the very longstanding Age of Creditor Domination and thus formulate a new global existence. Russia’s brain trust has decided that’s the proper thing to do, which is also the best thing for Russia and for Russians to do for themselves. The West has always been fickle, but Russia didn’t want to see that prior to 1905. Again, Asian Orientalism influenced Russia for most of the 20th Century only to be negated by Putin’s signing the Treaty of Friendship with China in 2001. As Putin, Lavrov, Patrushev, Medvedev, and others say, we’ll be happy to talk and do business with Europe when they finally come to their senses, but we’re not in any hurry and are willing to wait a generation or two for Europe’s attitude to change. Meanwhile, it’s all aboard the Eurasian and Multipolar World trains.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2023 21:21 utc | 111

Some of that was lacking in Bakhmut. Partial speculation and observation.
Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 17:09 utc | 3
Is this the interview (vid & transcript) that bugged out MoA last week? I’m not exactly surprised by billionaire competition, as I assumed Kolomoisky was behind the MH17 caper. But I can’t tell if Prigozhin adopted these PMC orphans or if they’re among casualties that have since spoiled Wagner’s exceptionally low fatality rate.

[…]
Prigozhin: Today the main problem with the PMCs is that in order to somehow dilute PMC Wagner, so that it is not a strong force that can play any role in domestic politics. Secondly, everyone is told that once there will be a struggle for power, everyone needs his own private army.
That is why people who have money believe that this is cool today to create a PMC. They spawn, Gazprom’s PMC Stream, which we call the Blue Stream, kind of PMC Bokarev, PMC Redout, and so on. Of every living thing of all flesh two of every sort!
At the same time, these PMCs are first financed by someone but then they are abandoned, so the state should begin financing them. Of course, there is a huge number of generals, officers, and so on, who will gladly line their pockets on those funds.
[…]

Posted by: sln2002 | May 6 2023 21:30 utc | 112

Prigozhin isn’t stupid. I bet the whole tirade was a premeditated psyop to fool the ukro-nazis.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 6 2023 21:34 utc | 113

in the meantime, consider posting less and observing more…. i think the saying goes something like this..
we have 1 mouth, but we have 2 ears for a reason.. cheers.
Posted by: james | May 6 2023 20:16 utc | 82
Very well said. In the meantime, I’ve written a Chrome extension to filter out comments by people like DeplCom, shadowbanned and Zanon… the latter one being a bit problematic because he invents a new nick with every comment. But it was worth it, no need to spend time with obvious idiots…

Posted by: Zet | May 6 2023 21:34 utc | 114

It’s abundantly clear the best part of you dribbled down your Mother’s leg.

That’s cold!

Posted by: Drinky Crow | May 6 2023 21:34 utc | 115

Posted by: james | May 6 2023 20:16 utc | 82
Hear, hear
Once with each ear
Concern trolls post a lot of tosh
By oh my gosh NATO’s defeat must be near.
I suck at poetry but agree with your comment. Some people post too much saying the same things over and over.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 6 2023 21:40 utc | 116

Incinerate Orikhik just like that sector of Bahkmut was lit up.

Posted by: Wokechoke | May 6 2023 21:41 utc | 117

Posted by: PaulaFoxu | May 6 2023 17:57 utc | 26
Can someone tell Paula she needs to post on the non-Ukraine thread? Horny Milf cams is definitely off-topic.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 6 2023 21:48 utc | 118

There are details in Prigozin night video:
– one of the corpses has something blue attached. I suspect they were sloppy with Ukie corpses, there are plenty of them around.
– Russian side has unobstructed medevac capabilities. While it is possible these are indeed Wagner dead fighters, I highly suspect so many of them would be stacked on one place – injured/dead are moved to rear ASAP. Ukie side can’t do that.
– It is quite obvious there is no rivalry or infighting, as Prigozin is just frontman for Russian military/gov organization, and he communicates directly to Putin. Men with that access level is vetted thoroughly and plays its role by the master plan.
So, just (first level of) maskirovka, as it is too obvious, to distract more gullible western press.

Posted by: Abe | May 6 2023 21:53 utc | 119

Deplorable Commissar @ 48, 50:
It is tragic that those Wagner mercenaries were ambushed and killed. But those fighters would have or should have accepted that being killed is part of the job of being a mercenary.
What is tasteless is Prigozhin using his employees’ deaths and corpses (though we can’t be sure they are what he claims they are) in a video begging for more money, weapons and equipment or loudly complaining about how his fighters are doing all the legwork.
That the Russians are warning civilians to leave an area where heavy fighting is expected – and the risk of civilian infrastructure being damaged or destroyed, and civilians themselves injured or killed, will be high – seems like sage advice. The warning is not necessarily an admission of vulnerability or weakness.
I don’t suppose that you happen to live in a country that tells its stranded civilians in Khartoum (Sudan) to make their own way out of the country by hitch-hiking through city streets and canoeing down the Nile while other countries send planes and warships to pick up their people?

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 6 2023 21:54 utc | 120

# 120
pornography, politics and war
is an explosive combination.
in an abstract way it makes sense.
or you can pay it no mind.

Posted by: Dingo | May 6 2023 22:01 utc | 121

Tom_Q_Collins @ 115

Prigozhin isn’t stupid. I bet the whole tirade was a premeditated psyop to fool the ukro-nazis.

I understand brainwashing the peanut gallery back home, especially the tax payers and those voters that still read newspapers and watch TV, but trying to fool intelligence services, HQ command, commanders in the field, troops in the trenches?
So, AFU troops in the trenches and their commanders saw Prigozhin’s hissy fit said, “holy mother of Jesus this is our big chance” and jumped out of their trenches straight into ready and waiting Wagner kill zones?
I still think 99.9% of the kayfabe and psyops fits into David Graeber’s Bullshit Jobs theory/essay/book. No bigger bullshit jobs, self licking ice cream cone, perpetual income institution on the planet than the USA/EU military and intelligence. Limitless money, limitless bullshit. I’m sure the RF, China, and RoW militaries aren’t far behind. They are just talking to each other, patting each other on the back, and taking home a paycheck the sum of which no one in the real world would ever pay to such dolts.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 6 2023 22:05 utc | 122

Patroklos @ 120:
You need to address your comment to the trolls posting here, that their Paula Fox bot has left its litter box and gone rogue.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 6 2023 22:10 utc | 123

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 6 2023 20:55 utc | 106
You expect me to deeply ponder the stupid ” handle” of every two-bit poster here ? I asked you a simple question, dont waste my time.
Many of we long-term barflies (and I’m only in the 5-6 yr category—there’s some real grizzly barnacles here) have established patterns of polite and civil debate. Shrill, repetitive know-alls don’t get much respect. James, a long standing MoA regular, is right: we give credit to well-thought out and reflective comments that extend and deepen the starting point b provides.
You are acquiring a reputation as a blustering fool with no humility or respect for others. I recommend you change your handle and re-enter the room as an adult participant.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 6 2023 22:13 utc | 124

Down South | May 6 2023 17:48 utc | 17
>…Zaluzhny:… an Eisenhower or de Gaulle.
Hmmm. I see his future more as a Patton

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 6 2023 22:19 utc | 125

I posted a link to this article on the Not Ukraine thread.
But it really ought to be here.
Earlier this year Natylie Baldwin had an email exchange with Australian journalist Renfrey Clarke.
The result is a comprehensive discussion of the history of Ukraine since the break up of the USSR.
It is highly recommended, those who take time to read it will find that the quality of their comments here will rise considerably.
They discuss the economy, the oligarchs and how they rose to power, the descent of the most advanced economy in the USSR to parity with Paraguay and Guatemala. And the effects of capitalism, in theory and practice on the collapse of both industrial and agricultural sectors.
It has also been republished by A Socialist In Canada, a website that every Canadian should bookmark.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/05/05/taking-the-capitalist-road-was-the-wrong-choice-for-ukraine-says-ukraine-expert/

Posted by: bevin | May 6 2023 22:28 utc | 126

Excellent US movie about an ultimately successful real Russian police officer investigating a serial child murderer for years led to a needed policy change to prevent emotional burnout. Perhaps an extension to generals/leaders in unending combat should be considered???
The days of good US movies about Russians seems long past💔
(Braindead me can’t recall the title, nor its fine lead actor’s name, LOL but I’m guessing it was made in the 1990’s after the Soviets gave up to our nefarious & internationally illegal shenanigans?!)

Posted by: Elise Villemaire | May 6 2023 22:34 utc | 127

Dear Vlad,
Please detonate a few Poseidon drones in the english channel and drop a few Sarmats on their lap just to be sure.
Thank you.

Posted by: Theresa Greene | May 6 2023 22:36 utc | 128

@129
Citizen X

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | May 6 2023 22:40 utc | 129

The power of propaganda and change in the last 10 years.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2023 20:37 utc | 93
Yes propaganda as a front for neo liberal selling off the national resources in all western vassal states. Greatly intensified in the last 10 years and now on double speed since the Ukraine war.
Our lives are different because the prevailing philosophy is different. Capitalist materialism or consumerism is now ubiquitous and is empty, depressing and dead The propaganda is just to keep people distracted and spending money to compensate for the emptiness, lack of human sanity and collective sensibility.

Posted by: K | May 6 2023 22:41 utc | 130

I am betting that the Wagner is complaining as a distraction. Trying to make it look like the Russian front lines are in disarray to encourage the Ukes into launching their “offensive” counteroffensive. There will be much blood on the hands of biden and his NATO puppets.
Russia will win. There will be nothing left of the Ukraine army and Z man will live large with the billions he has stashed away. Or so he thinks. The Russian assassins know no rest. Or mercy.

Posted by: FJB | May 6 2023 22:43 utc | 131

The shamanic force within Putin sure knows how to shrink inflated heads.
Seriously though the ‘contention’ all makes for good smoke and mirrors to keep the generals and the Wagner focussed on the primary national goal. I am undecided as to whether it was entirely contrived or one of Prigozhin’s outbursts that enabled the establishment to prick his balloon.
There has been a tendency on many telegram sites to worship the Wagners even when the situation is a victory for the integration of both Russian Army maneuvers and Wagner strikes. Starry eyed believers in ‘private sector good vs public sector bad’ etc… It takes a concerted action to shatter that BS. Thatcher is dead! so too should be her damaging and anti-social ideology.
Solidarity forever.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 22:44 utc | 132

Another terrorist attack has occurred targeting writer and political activist Zakhar Prilepin, who was critically injured while his close associate and driver was killed by the blast. The terrorist was captured and has confessed. Russia has now accused the Outlaw US Empire of being responsible for the attack. RT reports:

As Ukraine’s largest financial backer and provider of intelligence, Russia contends that the US was ultimately responsible not just for the attack on Prilepin, but also the murders of nationalist writer Darya Dugina and military blogger Vladlen Tatarsky, and the attempted assassination of Tsargrad TV founder Konstantin Malofeyev.
Moscow has also blamed Washington for a recent, albeit unsuccessful, drone attack on the Kremlin. “We know full well that decisions to carry out such terrorist actions are made not in Kiev, but in Washington,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Thursday.

Yes, the chain of cause and effect says the Outlaw US Empire is ultimately guilty of every crime that’s happened in Ukraine since the coup and is responsible for the SMO and its casualties. Which is to say the 2014 coup was an act of Aggressive War which is thus responsible for every act that occurs afterward. IMO, that’s precisely the proper judgment. The guilty are Obama/Biden and their team just as Bush/Cheney and their team are guilty of Iraq. And we should add Libya and Syria to the crime sheet of Obama/Biden and team. And at its root, the SMO is about making sure such crimes will never again be committed.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2023 22:48 utc | 133

@134
Tio Wolfram
You’re so wrong. Would you have had Michael Foot, Neil Kinnock instead?

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | May 6 2023 22:52 utc | 134

karlof1 | May 6 2023 18:47 utc | 43
Quoting (off his) Meds-vedev.
“…Germany will soon lose its political and economic leadership ……To the delight of other European grandees – France and Britain”
Nope.
Poland. Germany loses its European leadership to the orgasmic delirium of Poland.
Poland is the favoured son for the continuing “for as long as it takes” “destroy Russia” project.
I linked a snippet last thread about the Three Seas or Intermarium project.
Poland will annex parts of western Ukraine, and then form an “impenetrable fortress” forever fencing Europe away from Russia (and China BRI).
My post:

George Friedman, the founder of think tank Stratfor: Explaining why Russia and Germany must be divided and in conflict to ensure U$ “interests”.
The Three Seas Baltic- Black Sea Intermarium is a solution.
“But what with Germany do”?
https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1633892107466477569
Watch it a second time to observe the guy standing beside Friedman.
His head is exploding with stuff he’s never heard before…
Now that Germany has been neutered.
On to Poland to make the Thee Seas a Thing.
Explains sporadic, effervescent talk of Poland-western Ukraine “uniting”.
It’s part of the much longer, long term plan.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 6 2023 22:55 utc | 135

uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 22:44 utc | 134–
A few days ago I compared Prigozhin to Patton as they’re quite similar in many respects, particularly in how their antics are being used for other purposes. I refuse to get distracted by him. Simpilicius’s latest is good if you can sift though all the bull to get to the info that matters. I left a very short comment stating that Russia historically has always favored the counterstrike, which is what I see brewing.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2023 22:56 utc | 136

P. Damascene re Canada
The degree of Canada’s demise in prestige and confidence in its non-partial status has been directly proportional to the influence of Crystia Freedland, the grand-daughter of a hardcore Nazi collaborator who was allowed to emigrate to Canada.
Canada’s Victoria Nuland.

Posted by: chet380 | May 6 2023 22:58 utc | 137

The Russian military has asked civilians in 17 towns within 50 kilometer (30 miles) of the current frontline to evacuate the area. The Russian army has also prepared defense lines and moved reserves to the south of the region.

Every time Putin does this it’s like holding a new referendum on Ukrainian territory.
“Which side do you want to evacuate to? Our side or NATOstan?
And so he wins before the battle even begins …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 6 2023 22:59 utc | 138

cortomaltese #35

He is an American citizen and well known journalist, I don’t think they can keep him for long in prison.

Perhaps you might consider how the USA treats journalists and prisoners.
Julian Assange
Jeffrey Epstein
Guantanamo Bay
Secret renditions
Abu Ghraib
JFK
RFK
Fidel Castro (ceaseless attempts)
Dag Hammarskjöld
and so many more…
The nazis in Ukraine are the same mind as the nazis in the USA – ruthless, murderous killers.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 23:01 utc | 139

The charges against Lira might be preferred against 90% of those commenting here.
For the people of Ukraine, the war is a tragedy visited upon them by arrogant and greedy foreigners, including not a few who are the descendants of criminals who escaped justice. For too many commenters here it is a Roman Circus, entertainment no less amusing because the blood and the distant sounds of children screaming are real.
Posted by: bevin | May 5 2023 21:18 utc | 119
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If I might be allowed, and if “b” will permit. I would like to emphasize a point that Mr. bevin made yesterday @119 about Mr. Lira.
There is a movement afoot in the US and in some of the EU countries to bring charges against people who write or blog in ways that counter the official narrative of the state (or the ruling state parties). This can be applied not just to the host but to people who comment on non-conforming blogs and / or internet sites as well.
It is early yet, but the so called Ukrainian “Counter Offensive” could well become more that a US proxy war. The moment the US or NATO declares Ukraine to be an official war or (as in Vietnam) an international conflict, laws have already been prepared (by parties on the left and the right in some EU states) that would consider some language to be treasonous or seditious.
These laws are waiting to be voted on should the state feel the need to curtail the freedom of speech by some people. I am particularly concerned for “b” because Germany is of particular concern on this matter.

Posted by: Ed | May 6 2023 23:03 utc | 140

@Wyntre999 | May 6 2023 17:12 utc | 4
Why does the image with the incendiary missile strikes say 2022? Is that an old image or one from yesterday?
TY.
Posted by: Wyntre999 | May 6 2023 17:12 utc | 4
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That’s the name for the publisher.

Posted by: Chen Laoshi | May 6 2023 23:08 utc | 141

Rabbit | May 6 2023 20:30 utc | 89
>…”Where is The RaF?”
Safely at home on their rainy, soggy, little island. Probably did a fly-over for the Aspirant Tampon’s coronation yesterday. [IDGAF to know]
If you mean the *Russian* airforce.. the RuAF… They’ve been flying sorties every day for a year.
Western media isn’t going to tell you that, because the lack of air support by USNATO in Ukraine is one of their most significant failings.
Philip Karber, lecturing at West Point, always assumed USNATO would challenge the RuAF directly in the skies of Ukraine, not sit impotently in Poland and Romania.
https://mwi.usma.edu/video-dr-phillip-karber-explains-russian-operations-ukraine/

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 6 2023 23:09 utc | 142

Melaleuca | May 6 2023 22:55 utc | 138–
I agreed with Escobar’s assessment he voiced on the New Rules podcast where he said Poland and the Baltics are the Empire’s best stooges, that France is splitting and that Germany while still a colony has a core of resistance within its industrialists. Europe’s economic meltdown is underway but has yet to trickle-up as the poor were the ones most affected by the sanctions. The situation as I’ve said before is like a siege and siege warfare takes time for its affects to defeat the target.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2023 23:11 utc | 143

Ed | May 6 2023 23:03 utc | 143
…There is a movement afoot in the US and in some of the EU countries to bring charges against people who write or blog in ways that counter the official narrative …
Yep. Is why Saker (not a US citizen, resident in U$) ceased and desisted.
He didn’t say this ^ was the reason. But it was among the reasons. A primary reason.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 6 2023 23:13 utc | 144

Elise Villemaire | May 6 2023 22:34 utc | 129
Citizen X, with Max von Sydow. The role he plays is similar to the one he played in The Exorcist. The elderly expert brought in to sought the problem out.

Posted by: Technophobe | May 6 2023 23:17 utc | 145

@LightYearsFromHome | May 6 2023 22:05 utc | 124
Prigozhin was trying one last effort at getting Zelenski and company to commit one last wave against his forces. A going away party, so to speak. He started his “out of ammo” when the Ukrainians blew a bridge between Chasiv Yar and Bachmut, indicating that they were taking their flat ball and going home. I can’t blame Prigozhin for wanting to play another round so that he could finish off that little bit left.

Posted by: barstool | May 6 2023 23:20 utc | 146

Posted by: SkepticalThinker | May 6 2023 22:51 utc | 136
Any mention of Lira’s dodgy credentials here at MOA brings out the usual rabid dogs at MOA. For some reason their allegiance to Lira flicks a switch in their brains and ordinary posters like myself or you are called out as trolls, traitors, CIA assets and more ridiculousness than I can remember. No point naming names, its the same ones every time.
Comparing Lira to Assange is something only a right wing nut job would do. Someone who thinks free speech means you can say whatever you want without repercussions. I think Lira is learning something about this. Karma is a bitch.
Some here can’t differentiate between assassinating a person’s character which no one is doing here re Lira, and talking openly about a person who is in the public eye by choice. We do it with politicians heck Putin is dragged through the mud every day here but those posts are never banned. But one mention of Lira in an honest light, gets you in the naughty corner.
I also can’t explain why B cut your posts as I obviously can’t read them now. I also noted that fake PeterAU stayed up while silly things were cut elsewhere. Maybe B is tired.
I scroll past the crap, but it’s getting very tiresome. Lots of regulars don’t post as much anymore for the same reason. I also notice this is a seasonal trend and goes up and down over time. I am not sure any other topic has gone on for so long and hence attracting so many posters who have intentionally disruptive POV.

Posted by: K | May 6 2023 23:37 utc | 147

Peter AU1 #93
Re Alina Lipp> Anti media is the nub of nazism. There can be no message but our message… etc. The nazism at the core of cancel culture as it is all about us being drawn away from free speech to the cage of cancel speech.
Katie Halper discusses this with Roger Waters and his recent success to be heard in Germany but cancelled in Poland.
A brief but good discussion.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 23:37 utc | 148

@bar
Who is the Most Valued Poster here?
Karlof1. [Ymmv]
Karl never engages trolls or idiots.
Be more like Karl..
He’s too busy researching and reporting quality info.
Guys… why do take the bait so easily and every thread.
It’s like Groundhog Day… every goddam thread, the same noise and distraction.
?
Of course trolls make provocative posts…that’s their job.
Why allow them to be better at their job than you are at yours…
Your job is to read, research, discuss and dissect. Observation and analysis.
Can you see the flaw in feeding the trolls every goddam thread, then grouse and moan threads are trash and unreadable?
Think McFly.
And thanks also to Down South with telegram reports.
And thanks to all who contribute AND STAY ON TOPIC
[ffs]
And…. It’s still the best bar in town.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 6 2023 23:41 utc | 149

The Telegraph video comments were hilarious. “Russia is incineration a whole city to kill Prigozhin/hide defeat!”
By the way, isn’t it curious that know all Martyanov no longer writes any updates on the actual war situation? He just quotes Larry Johnson, so if things go wrong it is John’s who was wrong. The same Johnson who’s set a world backpedalling record on Jake Teixeira and Evan Gershkovich just in the last few weeks.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 6 2023 23:42 utc | 150

K | May 6 2023 23:37 utc | 150–
I agree with the gist of your comment. You’ll not I never mention Lira.
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Larry Johnson writes what IMO is the best explanation for Prigozhin’s antics, concluding:
“One more point to consider — the Western narrative insists that Putin is a brutal dictator who brokers no dissent. Really? If that was true then Prigozhin would be in shackles headed for a secret prison were he would die of some unexpected illness. But that is not what we are seeing. Prigozhin is posting outrageous comments and videos and is still walking around. That fact alone persuades me that he is playing a role in Russia’s current Maskirovka campaign.”

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2023 23:44 utc | 151

SkepticalThinker | May 6 2023 22:51 utc | 136
Good for B. He recognized the tradecraft and took action.
Focusing on Lira’s personality or ancestry is a diversionary tool of paid internet trolls, in this case to derail the conversation away from a discussion about press freedom being abridged as yet another journalist is jailed by the thought police.

Posted by: Willow | May 6 2023 23:49 utc | 152

V99 #109

For Ukraine this is, for all intents an purposes, a slow motion suicide.

And the EU through its mendacious inflationary response. Not only through direct cost increase for energy leading to job losses food cost increases etc but the diversion of EURO billions to directly sustain Ukraine who now has almost zero export income. Ditto USA except they still export some things.
Price Inflation is a slow acting poison that takes a decade to pass through. There are always consequences and perhaps the realization that everything the nazis touch inflates egos but turns to shit for the people to clean up.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 23:51 utc | 153

Please tell me something, if Prigozhin’s rant was a “psyop”, why is he repeatedly blaming Shoigu and Gerasimov by name? Occam’s Razor suggests that Prigozhin meant exactly what he said. What his motives are is another thing entirely. The ammunition shortage could be real, but events on the ground suggest it is at least exaggerated. Prigozhin could be incensed at his troops’ needlessly dying on the cusp of victory. Or he could be making a political power play for more influence. Any of these is a more likely thing than some elaborate “psyop” which didn’t fool the Ukranazis on the ground, who report they’re under as heavy or heavier fire than ever before.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 6 2023 23:53 utc | 154

“by: Patroklos | May 6 2023 21:48 utc | 120”
“Can someone tell Paula she needs to post on the non-Ukraine thread”
No, no one can tell it anything. It posted the exact same crap in a comment on RT at almost exactly the same time that it started posting that crap here. I haven’t seen it post that identical same crap anywhere else, but I’d bet if I did see it elsewhere, it would be on a predominately pro-Russian forum. My theory is that the ones behind it are harvesting personal info on everyone who is dumb enough to follow the link.

Posted by: Dalit | May 6 2023 23:54 utc | 155

Melaleuca 147
The Faker stopped cross posting on the U n z site because he wasn’t protected by his bodyguard of censors and people there kept calling him out on his rubbish. Literally all his prognostications before and after Feb 2022 (“the Ukrainians are all drunk, demoralised, and will not fight”, “Russia has already cauldroned the whole Ukranazi army in Donbass”) failed. In my opinion he was worth more as a spewer of hopium and misinformation to the CIA than a threat to be silenced.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 6 2023 23:58 utc | 156

Russia has fucked it up.. everybody knows.

Posted by: Jsv | May 7 2023 0:01 utc | 157

Prigozhin isn’t stupid. I bet the whole tirade was a premeditated psyop to fool the ukro-nazis.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 6 2023 21:34 utc | 115

While its impossible to know at this stage … and whilst I might be (very) wrong, I do have a sneaking suspicion that Prigozhin is trolling again. He does after all appear to have previous …

… on 13th November 2022 Reuters posted this …
Video shows sledgehammer execution of Russian mercenary
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sledgehammer-execution-russian-mercenary-who-defected-ukraine-shown-video-2022-11-13/
… 24th Novemeber 2022 this was reported …
Wagner boss Prigozhin sends bloodied sledgehammer in violin case to European Parliament
https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/11/24/wagner-boss-prigozhin-offers-to-send-bloodied-sledgehammer-in-violin-case-to-european-parliament/
… and on 13th February 2023 Reuters posted this …
Russia’s Wagner militia suggests deserter was – and wasn’t – executed
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sledgehammer-execution-russian-mercenary-who-fled-shown-video-2023-02-13/
… and on a different tack, in March 2023 The Daily Beast reported …
Wall Street Journal Reporter Detained—and Putin’s Chef Jokes About Finding Him in a Graveyard
Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin said he was not aware of Gershkovich’s arrest.

“If you want, I can check the torture cellar in my house to see if he’s there,” he said. “At first glance, I didn’t see him among the American journalists I keep there by the dozens. I can, if you want, also look at the fresh graves of foreign journalists on my house plot. But if I’m not mistaken, we didn’t bury him there either.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/evan-gershkovich-wall-street-journal-reporter-arrested-on-suspicion-of-espionage-in-russia

Premeditated psyop, trolling or something similar … its impossible to know at this point and even though the tirade seemed genuine to me, given Prigozhin’s recent history with the media I’m hedging a small bet on Prigozhin engaging in a little deceit, whatever we choose to call it.

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | May 7 2023 0:06 utc | 158

Melaleuca #145

Philip Karber, lecturing at West Point, always assumed USNATO would challenge the RuAF directly in the skies of Ukraine, not sit impotently in Poland and Romania.
“>https://mwi.usma.edu/video-dr-phillip-karber-explains-russian-operations-ukraine/

Thank you and I might add that US air force is not only impotently grounded in Poland and Romania but more likely impotently terrified of actual air combat with RuAF. Ukraine is a Russian managed no fly zone and you can bet UKUSA hate this yoke. So far, US weapon superiority and other US bragging has suffered a bruising and they are likely mortified at the prospect that their airforce systems will meet the same ignominious fate.
Who would purchase their planes or air defence systems other than their shrinking net of vassals?
I assume the big game here is that the UKUSA and its servants are being crippled economically, their constant brag of military superiority being trashed, their diplomatic pretences ridiculed.
I am sure UKUSA can maneuver Poland and the Baltic poodles but the crushing economic burden that this alliance will bear in the aftermath of Ukraine’s collapse in terms of the new currency exchange and energy cost world will be a sideshow irritant.
Crush NATO and nazism across the planet and hooray to that.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 0:11 utc | 159

I didn’t see anyone bring this up but is the primary source of Ukrainian fanaticism (preventing negotiation) the Ukraine Security forces? I think eliminating Zelensky could be a mistake as he might be pushed towards talks if that part of the government was destroyed.

Posted by: Eighthman | May 7 2023 0:17 utc | 160

Posted by: SkepticalThinker | May 6 2023 22:51 utc | 136
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Well now that you had your say Mr. ST, I hope you feel better. I am not one of those who defend Mr. Lira, but I do believe that he should have the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. If, after some time passes, we learn that Mr. Lira and his wife are found in a ditch with their heads removed, will you give him the benefit of the doubt then?
If, on the other hand if he shows up again free as a bird like last time, we can both be Skeptical. What say you?

Posted by: Ed | May 7 2023 0:17 utc | 161

Posted by: Jsv | May 7 2023 0:01 utc | 161

Russia has fucked it up..

I’m looking at the map and I notice Ukraine/NATOstan is missing a chunk …
I don’t think Russia is coming down on the loss side of this – win or lose.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 7 2023 0:21 utc | 162

SattaMassaGana #162

Premeditated psyop, trolling or something similar … its impossible to know at this point and even though the tirade seemed genuine to me, given Prigozhin’s recent history with the media I’m hedging a small bet on Prigozhin engaging in a little deceit, whatever we choose to call it.

and then:
“Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin said he was not aware of Gershkovich’s arrest.
“If you want, I can check the torture cellar in my house to see if he’s there,” he said. “At first glance, I didn’t see him among the American journalists I keep there by the dozens. I can, if you want, also look at the fresh graves of foreign journalists on my house plot. But if I’m not mistaken, we didn’t bury him there either.”

Thank you for that great post and the reminders of Prigozhin’s bleak sense of humor.
It is also possible that this is a noisy feint to build force and then launch a rapid assault on Chassiv Yar and many stops further west. I note that the Ukraine army at Chassiv Yar was frantically blowing plenty of bridges yesterday. If such an assault could gain momentum it could seriously distract/outflank the Uke forces supposedly poised elsewhere.
Time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 0:22 utc | 163

Russia has fucked it up.. everybody knows.
Posted by: Jsv | May 7 2023 0:01 utc | 161
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Please explain because “I don’t know.”

Posted by: Ed | May 7 2023 0:24 utc | 164

@ Melaleuca, #127
Zaluzhny like Patton in that he gets whacked after his usefulness is done or Patton as actually getting something done?
My uncle was a 2nd generation American-German and served in Patton’s 3rd Army starting in the fall of 1944. He earned the Bronze Star w/ Valor, although almost none us knew anything about it until a few months before his death at age 84. He won that medal for taking out at least 1 maybe, a couple– I can’t remember the story totally– German machine nests with his M-1. The thing that that gnawed on him but he never told many people was that he might have killed his distant cousins during the war. My German side was only about 2 generations past being pacifists because of their beliefs.
Later in the spring of ’45, deep inside southern Germany, his unit took an SS officer captive. My uncle’s Lt. knew that German was my uncles’ first language so took his Lt. bars off and put them on my uncle (a private) and let him go in an interrogate the SS guy. I don’t how much actual useful information they got out of that guy but my uncle enjoyed himself telling this SS officer what a piece of shit he was in his own language.
My uncle didn’t have a cocky or boastful bone in his body. raised crops and cattle until almost the day he fell over…

Posted by: DakotaRog | May 7 2023 0:33 utc | 165

uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 0:11 utc | 163
Yep. USNATO wanted a war.
They got a war. Oops. *This* isn’t the war they profligately planned.
The resume for Philip Karber lecturing at West Point boasts he had made 30 trips to Ukraine [to plan this war].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CMby_WPjk4
Air support {superiority}. §supremacy!§ was always a “given”.
The first flush of U$ “mercenaries” (volunteers🤣) who flooded into eastern Ukraine in FebMarch 2022 came home hurriedly and in tears. (Some came home in bags and boxes, but shhh).
Russians weren’t sand people in slippers, and could actually fight back. (Hard).
The Sanctions From Hell™️ and the actual shooting component on the Whatever it Takes For As Long As It Takes (the actual longevity was assumed to be 6months) is of course failing, and failing so obviously to the RoW.
But the plan to neuter Germany and install Poland as the major European power.. is proceeding as planned, and with some real success.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 7 2023 0:35 utc | 166

Eighthman #164

I think eliminating Zelensky could be a mistake as he might be pushed towards talks if that part of the government was destroyed.

My thoughts on this have ebbed and flowed. Mostly I want to see him grovel in capitulation and defeat at some formal surrender. But that’s just gratifying my sense of revenge for his betrayal of his nation.
There is some benefit in having a surrendered president issuing orders to the military to down arms and the police to round up the nazi leaders. In Ukraine’s case neither force would likely obey and a period of reprisals would ensue before exhaustion sets in and some rudimentary form of order can be established.
IMO his survival is inconsequential but his annihilation would be appreciated. The latter might assist a rapid collapse but it would have more cache if it included the entire UKUSA team of rabid/berserk advisors in the same explosion.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 0:35 utc | 167

A few Ukr/RF shibboleths I’d like to puncture:
1. This fkn bullshit about “Bakhmut is gunna fall any day now … for 6 months”. Who has been saying this? Bedroom sitrep mapping nerds; retired US military pundits (I’m looking at YOU McGregor and Ritter); semi-drunk social media barflies (you know who you are); Ukie trolls; RF trolls; Telegram and Twitter hopefuls. But never Prighozin, or Shoigu, or Surovikin, or Gerasimov, or Putin. Get my point? Only projectionists, ie, noone who actually knows or cares about prognostications over on-ground realities. Bakhmut was entered from the east, fought over, and one day won. That’s it. The SMO moves on.
2. This fkn bullshit about RF “not making much progress”. It’s kinda simple:
(a) SMO AIMS: Kill AFU, defeat Kiev nazis, own 4 Donbass oblasts (with probably a good safety zone from future counter offensive).
(b) SMO RESULTS THUS FAR: 200K – 400K dead AFU and friends (depending on who you believe). Four democratically owned Donbass oblasts. Safety zone will be achieved after the main 9 year AFU “defence wall” is penetrated. It is FAR BETTER to kill the defenders, then to walk in, than to bust into new territory and keep meeting defenders again and again. Duh!
3. This fkn bullshit about “Russia should do this and do that …”. Get a life or join the RF Chiefs of Staff and run your own fkn war. They don’t need YOUR criticism or suggestions.
4. “Russia should come in harder”. You do realise that if Russia pushes the envelope too hard (eg attacks Kiev or advances towards West Ukraine) not NATO but a *voluntary Coalition of the Willing* will storm AND FLY IN, led by the US currently in Poland, Romania and elsewhere. I’d be sure the MoD has intel on this. Great way to complicate and draw out Moscow’s little SMO. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Thus, little by little, eating the elephant, is Russia’s game. The global pro-Russian impatience is just Westerners’ love of the Hollywood epic, the shock and awe theatre. As Putin said — “The more you interfere, the longer it will take”. Well guess what? They interfered, and thus more time it will take. Duh.
5. As many others have stated, Russia’s strategies and tactics are to fight and kill nearer home. It’s been a game of invite them in, extinguish their numbers and weapons, demoralise them, undermine their western support. Once their armies are depleted sufficiently, it will be either a cake walk to the Dneiper or else an unconditional surrender. But it will take time. Russia cannot turn off the tap into Ukraine, so it does its best to strike near or at the front. Again, closer to home. Attrition is like rust: you dont notice it visibly happening.
6. This war has become much “stickier” in 12 months than just a jaunt into the Donbass.
The ZNPP is a serious squabble prize for both sides.
Sabotage terrorism and assassinations have increased masssively.
A big and serious counter offensive is in the offing.
RF towns keep getting hit.
The AFU hostage-taking whole RF villages is a serious threat during their counter offensive. Imagine the blackmail they could extort.
Potential pressures on Kaliningrad and Transnistria present wider distractions for RF MoD.
All this is the way of Western disruption and drawing it out.
I do wish the barflies here and elsewhere would take a broader and deeper view of THE REALITIES, instead of the constant childish and ego-gratification so often evident.

Posted by: The Dolphin | May 7 2023 0:37 utc | 168

Melaleuca #170

But the plan to neuter Germany and install Poland as the major European power.. is proceeding as planned, and with some real success.

Thank you but what does Poland and the baltic chiauwawa actually produce in that cold north?
Germany was a thundering workshop of design, engineering and productivity whereas the Italians canned more tomatoes, stitched better handbags, made functional cars than did Poland 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 0:43 utc | 169

140 – For showing and pasting news articles about her Nazi past and JT’s possible Castro DNA, I was completely blocked by Twitpal and still. I checked after Musk got twister. 161 – you should see what America is nowadays

Posted by: Arcticman | May 7 2023 0:45 utc | 170

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 0:35 utc | 171

IMO his survival is inconsequential but his annihilation would be appreciated.

In death he’d only become a martyr to one degree or another.
One the mainstream propaganda media would milk to the max.
His survival would stand as a shameful reminder to NATOstan of their failure.
The Russians would have to make sure he stays alive if only for this reason.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 7 2023 0:47 utc | 171

Judging by the constant refrain from the t-roll contingent, it seems like NATZO is unhappy with Russia’s pace of conquering Ukraine. Which stands to reason, since every day it goes on deepens the financial catastrophe, depletes the armories, exposes the fecklessness, unwinds the dollar hegemony, and weakens the diplomatic stature of “the west”.
Keep whining, turd-rolls. Putin laughs at your jejune machinations.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 7 2023 0:49 utc | 172

@101
The “Free Beacon” is basically a CIA newsletter. I was alerted to this after they reported on a CIA agent jumping to his death a few years ago–I kept an eye on it because it was the day Congress announced the CIA Torture Report would be released. I think the guy jumped on a Thursday or Friday, then a few other outlets picked up the story (with same basic facts). No media ever did update the story as far as name, age, sex, etc.

Posted by: Dulles_Did_Dallas | May 7 2023 0:53 utc | 173

DakotaRog | May 7 2023 0:33 utc | 169
Patton.. as in his abrupt expiration Used by Date.
Zaluzhny will be expired by the team around ClownZ.
And if ClownZ is taken out first, by his own U$ State Dept owners, or rogue freelancers within the increasingly chaotic Ukrainian echelons…
Zaluzhny will still very likely be Pattoned permanently, or symbolically, because he will have single handedly lost this war. And the U$ hates losers
(/s; for those too literal to discern irony) (Once Upon A Time the @bar could read for sardonic humor and nuance. But I guess the trolls killed that)
The Dolphin | May 7 2023 0:37 utc | 172
No all barflies buzz equally.
The ones exciting your ire, are the trolls and idiots infesting this establishment.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 7 2023 0:55 utc | 174

The Dolphin #172

I do wish the barflies here and elsewhere would take a broader and deeper view of THE REALITIES, instead of the constant childish and ego-gratification so often evident.

Thank you and can I recommend the same refreshing peek above the parapet and one can see the entire planet is engaged in various ways here.
Syria has just rejoined the Arab League = the ridiculous ‘Abraham accords’ are septic waste. The centuries of UKUSA belligerence and sabotage are exposed. Brzezinski and his theory are ash under the ting of the China/Russia + BRICS etc alliance. The USA economy is exhibiting major stress and fracture, the international alliances and affinities are transitioning the UKUSA elite are directly challenged as never before in the past two centuries at least.
Yes, the war is a transforming paradox to demand one’s gaze but world events are far more significant as a direct result.
Much of the East and West are staring the UKUSA in the eye and pointing to the door.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 0:56 utc | 175

As promised, Lavrov’s article, ‘Genuine Multilateralism and Diplomacy Against the “Rules-Based Order”‘, which is a reprise of the speech he delivered at the UNSC meeting having the same topic. I embellished it with a preamble and postscript I felt needed to be expressed.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 7 2023 1:00 utc | 176

So, what do the barflies suspect might be NATO’s next move?
My bet is Transnistria. Minimum fortification, no 300k army, extended and venerable supply lines, limited air, naval and artillery support. Non-combat hardened standing force.

Posted by: Suresh | May 7 2023 1:05 utc | 177

Arch Bungle #175

His survival would stand as a shameful reminder to NATOstan of their failure.
The Russians would have to make sure he stays alive if only for this reason.

Thank you and I do appreciate that benefit. But who would publish reports of the exciting life of the Zelenskies in exile, the birth of their newborn, the secret visit to Buckingham Palace or the Będzin Castle… I guess the nazi propagandists will maintain the churn and the msm nazi media will pump it out :/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 1:06 utc | 178

uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 0:43 utc | 173
>…why Poland?
Here’s the founder of Stratfor explaining the importance of Poland and the Intermarium. (2min watch).
https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1633892107466477569
I’d read about the Intermarium previously (2015-18), but then it slipped away.
Stratfor, as we know, was one of the primary architects for this Ukraine-Russia war.
While this phase is not going as planned, (right now). ..they can still achieve their longer, long term objectives.
Which is neutering Germany and installing Poland as the primary European power. There is still a rump in Germany resistent to a kinetic war with Russia.
Poland is salivating and straining on the leash, all too eager to be sooled on.
Depopulating Ukraine works well in the Stratfor plan. The annexation of western Ukraine to Poland is a nice jigsaw piece for the Intermarium.
The Intermarium is a new Iron Wall partitioning Europe from Russia (and China).
[They really still want Crimea]

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 7 2023 1:11 utc | 179

Have the Russians run out of steam?
Recently, I see lots of hot air, and little action by the weakening leadership.
This question has been asked on various Russo-centric groups, with some amazing insights on their posting populations.
For the record, I have supported Russia for many years, and have visited multiple times in an earlier life. Putin’s lack of direct response to the many crossed red lines shows him as being weak. The cult of the fierce Russian bear is fast evaporating into the Russian kitten.
Should Russia prepare articles of surrender to NATO?

Posted by: dnomsed | May 7 2023 1:15 utc | 180

Melaleuca @183–
The problem with that plan is there’re far too few resources for that bunch to become economically viable, and the Baltics have mostly been sucked dry by the Neoliberal Parasites. I agree the Dollar Bloc will form but I anticipate most of its initial members falling out as time goes forward because its primarily parasitic, not constructive, and the RoW’s development and prosperity will be a mirror image of what the West looked like to the East from the late 1950s to the late 1980s.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 7 2023 1:21 utc | 181

1. This is a glacial pace. How many months have they been in Bakhmut?
2. How many times have we heard the “any day now” from this corner? I have seen Bakhmut about to fall posts for several months now.
3. From a Ukrainian point of view, the key thing is that they still hold the line at the town. Who cares if it’s 90% or 10%? The main thing is that the Russians haven’t washed over the town and moved on to the next one.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 6 2023 20:35 utc | 92
There is no “Ukrainian point of view” on this war since Ukraine lost the war a long time ago.
Proof? How long would Ukraine be able to fight without foreign help? 1-2 weeks?
This war is Russia bleeding NATO dry at this point. Every new tank, plane or bullet Ukraine uses is shipped from a NATO country and brought to the front over a thousand-mile plus supply chain that is 20-30 times more expensive than Russia’s. Simple economics, who will win this war of attrition given the relative costs, Russia or NATO?

Posted by: Tom | May 7 2023 1:29 utc | 182

@dnomsed 184
Putin is an Atlanticist, always was, always will be. As yakensis of Awful Avalanche said some time ago, we needed a Stalin and we got a Nicholas II.
Margarita Simonyan of RT was 100% right when she said a couple of days ago:

“We must stop saying that we will answer everything. People can no longer hear it. The words ‘provocation’, ‘cynical act’, ‘preparing a response’ should be excluded from the lexicon. You have no idea how debilitating it is. We need to stop talking altogether. The more statements – the less faith in them. People believe in what they see”.

Exactly. I’m sick of hearing pro Russia commenters online exult about what Medvedev babbled. What effect did anybody Medvedev say in the last year influence a single thing? As I also said a couple of days ago, this “red lines” rubbish has to stop. Either crack down hard to punish “red line” crossings or stop mentioning them at all.
The (now defunct) Junkyard Of The Faker used to keep copiuming about this: “revenge is a dish best eaten cold”, “the enemy will keep wondering when and where retribution will come”, etc. No it isn’t. This isn’t a 19th century novel by some overrated Victorian writer. In war, you either hit the enemy where it hurts or you shouldn’t start fighting at all.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 7 2023 1:31 utc | 183

Here’s the 1hr+ yt from which the 2min twitter was taken:
A “journalist” from Croatia asks
“Is it in U$ interests to dispense with Russia as a European power?
In his “answer”, Friedman states holding Ukraine is “existential” for Russia.
For the US? He trots out the mouldy domino theory shibboleth: “I’d we don’t stop them there, where will they stop?”
Jump to 1hr7min. The journalist gives a brief Croatian history lesson, then asks her question:^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLu_yyz3tc&t=4060s
>Now barflies have hours and hours of free time, with no Lira roundtable yt… have a go at this, for a change of menu..

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 7 2023 1:35 utc | 184

Posted by: Tom | May 7 2023 1:29 utc | 186
Well, by that measure, all the ex-Soviet stuff as headed for the scrapyard in the west. So the cost of that is about 0. Then throw in the early model Leopards, also headed for the scrapyard. Aren’t even most of the Strikers headed for retirement before they got sent to Ukraine? Sure, there was stuff actually in service, and more of it likely going forward, but there was a lot of stuff that was not.

Posted by: Response2 | May 7 2023 1:37 utc | 185

Posted by: karlof1 | May 7 2023 1:21 utc | 185
>…”The problem with that plan …”
Heh. I’m not saying it’s a *good* plan, I’m reporting it’s *Stratfor’s* plan.
Stratfor wanted a war with Russia ☑️
To weaken Russia ☑️
To fracture § permanently destroy § economic and industrial ties between Russia and Germany ☑️
Weaken/ (destroy) the Euro ☑️
Bolster Poland at the expense of Germany ☑️
That Stratfor’s plan has a by-product (unintended consequences) in now tectonic, fundamental changes in MENA, is obvious.
Which is why they also need a war with China.
The plan calls for the Intermarium.
And observation shows they remain committed to that.
[They really also still want Crimea]

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 7 2023 1:49 utc | 186

Patroklos @ 126
I recommend you grab my handle and let me re-enter your ass as an adult participant. Cause, you know, Greek.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 7 2023 2:05 utc | 187

Russia should launch a land movement to Kiev. That will force Ukraine to abandon its plans and rush its military to defend Kiev. This unexpected troops and weapons movement will expose them allowing the Russian air force to neutralize them. It will at least bring Russians within artillery range of Kiev which is valuable.
Ukraine is definitely trying to capture the nuclear power plant in the south. It must be foiled at all costs.
Russia should go after Ukraine’s fuel and energy facilities harder. They can’t fight without them.

Posted by: Jason | May 7 2023 2:08 utc | 188

NATO will fight Russia directly behind Ukrainians in the coming decisive war. All NATO military communications go through USA. Disrupting Arctic and Atlantic undersea cables is essential. That will prevent a nuclear war as coordination becomes difficult. It will also plunge NATO into economic and social chaos forcing them to consider peace.

Posted by: Jason | May 7 2023 2:14 utc | 189

Brian Berletic on Gonzalo Lira:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DmN8tGNlGU
Especially profound comments toward end of video.
Gonzalo Lira’s youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@theroundtablegonzalolira5818/streams
https://www.youtube.com/@gonzalolira0229/videos

Posted by: Thurl | May 7 2023 2:19 utc | 190

China should time its Taiwan reunification with Ukraine’s counteroffensive.

Posted by: Jason | May 7 2023 2:21 utc | 191

@Biswapriya Purkayast 187
I visited the site in Yekaterinaburg where Nicholas II and his family were shot. A small shrine now stands on the site.
An incredible feeling of a major event hung in the air. Quite humbling. His end was with a whimper. How the once mighty regime had fallen.
He made many mistakes during his time, and lost 2 major wars. Is Putin perhaps heading the same way?

Posted by: dnomsed | May 7 2023 2:27 utc | 192

Gonzalo Lira, US citizen opinion journalist, was arrested May 1 by the USB, (Ukraine) same day the US Gov was propagandizing the Wall Street Journal reporter arrest for spying in Russia.
Lira’s USB detention was reported in RT.
Ukrops do nothing without US approval. Is the USA setting up a WSJ spy journo exchange for Gonzalo Lira? Maybe the USA will have Lira killed to instruct Western journos how they will be defenestrated through the Overton Window when they get out of line.

Posted by: Johnny Law | May 7 2023 2:28 utc | 193

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 7 2023 1:31 utc | 187
Putin is an Atlanticist, always was, always will be. As yakensis of Awful Avalanche said some time ago, we needed a Stalin and we got a Nicholas II.
Nobody who cares about the lives of people would ever say they need a Stalin, under any circumstance. The Soviets didn’t need any Stalin to win WW2. They were motivated to defend their homeland and themselves against an enemy devoted to annihilate them. They didn’t need a totalitarian despot to motivate them.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | May 7 2023 2:34 utc | 194

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 7 2023 0:35 utc | 171
Zelensky’s orders as commander in chief will only be followed as long as he commands Azov to make sure the peons charge forward. When he stops that he will be ignored and probably killed unless he can run away which I doubt he will succeed. No one will want him alive. Russians hate him. Uke haters hate him. Biden neocons will be done with him (he knows too much) same as Bojo Macron, Berbach and other ex fanboys and fangirls.

Posted by: migueljose | May 7 2023 2:39 utc | 195

He made many mistakes during his time, and lost 2 major wars. Is Putin perhaps heading the same way?
Posted by: dnomsed | May 7 2023 2:27 utc | 196

There are no Bolsheviks waiting in the wings now, that’s the problem.
We of course don’t have all the inside info to fully evaluate the situation, but based on what we do have, Putin is not acting the way he should be.
However, if you are to try to replace him, you will fulfill the wishes of the West, as there is no prepared structure to take over after that, and the country will descend into chaos. Precisely what the West wants.
So the only useful move is to apply pressure on Putin to start fighting seriously. But who can apply that pressure is not clear.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 7 2023 2:40 utc | 196

Removing civilians from hostilities is a standard of international law and humane behavior. And you generally want to remove civilians before the situation is dire. Unless Russia plans to stand to the last man along the southern lines, evacuating civilians is the appropriate and humanistic thing to do.

Posted by: Lex | May 7 2023 2:42 utc | 197

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 6 2023 23:58 utc | 160
Literally all his prognostications before and after Feb 2022 (“the Ukrainians are all drunk, demoralised, and will not fight”, “Russia has already cauldroned the whole Ukranazi army in Donbass”) failed. In my opinion he was worth more as a spewer of hopium and misinformation to the CIA than a threat to be silenced.
How is ““at a time when, after the imminent loss of Artëmovsk and the almost guaranteed failure of Ye Olde Greate Springe Offensive” any less “hopium spewing” than anything Saker wrote? And his name is “Saker”.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | May 7 2023 2:43 utc | 198

@Posted by: Melaleuca | May 7 2023 1:35 utc | 188

The journalist gives a brief Croatian history lesson, then asks her question:^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLu_yyz3tc&t=4060s
>Now barflies have hours and hours of free time, with no Lira roundtable yt… have a go at this, for a change of menu..

Thanks for this, but oh what an arrogant propagandist shit he is. “Russia invaded Georgia to show the Ukrainians” he lies, well knowing that Georgia invaded Abkhazia. Maybe there is something special about Hungarian emigres who “escaped” communism. He has many very good points mixed in with a lot of misrepresentations, lies and capitalist elite hatred of the common worker. Accurate about how the Northern Europeans exploited the Southern Europeans during the European debt crisis.
Very open about the Ukrainian speakers treating the ethnic Russians badly, but then says they can’t be a federation as the ethnic Russians will secede. So Ukraine has to reach out to the US! Nothing about the US interference in Ukraine from the 1990s onwards, and the US organized coup in 2014. He is as slippery as Soros.
The best part was how he detailed the US position that it needed to divide Germany and Russia as united they could threaten US interests. Well, Russia will just do that with.China instead.

Posted by: Roger | May 7 2023 2:43 utc | 199

Seeing those Nazi MFers partying in night clubs and restaurants in Kiev and Lviv, while the people in Donbass have to evacuate their homes and flee to Crimea is heartbreaking.

Posted by: bored | May 7 2023 2:43 utc | 200