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May 27, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-127
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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“Something happened in the air raid on Kiev tonight which triggered moderate seismic activity.” Posted by: unimperator | May 28 2023 4:02 utc | 201 Looks like we identified at least one SPOOK that frequents MoA. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 28 2023 4:30 utc | 202 There was a warning about reading MoA on weekends. Posted by: Suresh | May 28 2023 4:31 utc | 203 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 28 2023 2:55 utc | 175 Posted by: MiniMo | May 28 2023 4:32 utc | 204 Inkanazi 1969 @183 is still desperately coping with the loss of Artëmovsk. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 28 2023 4:41 utc | 205 Cynic @202 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 28 2023 4:42 utc | 206 [103] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 28 2023 4:43 utc | 207 @ bevin 169 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2023 4:44 utc | 208 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 28 2023 3:58 utc | 203 Posted by: The Dolphin | May 28 2023 4:46 utc | 209 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 28 2023 3:57 utc | 201 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2023 5:04 utc | 210 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2023 5:04 utc | 217 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 28 2023 5:16 utc | 211 I didn’t see any racial slurs in his comment. What are you talking about? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 28 2023 5:18 utc | 212 Interesting comment on Corbyn and the UK. Reality is Labour had lost it’s grip on private sector working people before 2019. These people said again and again they wanted the UK to leave the EU and he didn’t get the message. Posted by: IAN WRIGHT | May 28 2023 5:31 utc | 213 The British economy since 1979 and the invention of reliable car engines depends on consumption of vast quatities of cheap diesel, gas and petrol. Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2023 5:36 utc | 214 Bevin@146 Giyane 221. There will be no switch to electric in 2030. People are waking up and Khan’s new ULEZ plans in London are a trigger. Posted by: IAN WRIGHT | May 28 2023 5:55 utc | 216 The British economy since 1979 and the invention of reliable car engines depends on consumption of vast quatities of cheap diesel, gas and petrol. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 28 2023 6:17 utc | 217
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/17987 Posted by: Down South | May 28 2023 7:26 utc | 221 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 28 2023 6:17 utc | 223 Posted by: Milites | May 28 2023 7:28 utc | 222
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17995 Posted by: Down South | May 28 2023 7:29 utc | 223
Posted by: Down South | May 28 2023 7:30 utc | 224 I base my comments on “what would I do given the same concerns Russia has.” Never said otherwise. It’s the only rational basis for assessing the war – that, and the known military balance and military capabilities between Russia and NATO. Posted by: RB | May 28 2023 7:33 utc | 225
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/48149 Posted by: Down South | May 28 2023 7:34 utc | 226 Why is Bakhmut called a Meat Grinder? Posted by: unimperator | May 28 2023 7:58 utc | 227 “What is important to understand about the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artyomovsk: analysis of the military chronicle Posted by: unimperator | May 28 2023 8:09 utc | 228
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/65828 Posted by: Down South | May 28 2023 8:18 utc | 229 https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/65794 Posted by: Down South | May 28 2023 8:20 utc | 230 Many readers here will already be aware of this, but Simplicius wrote a few days ago that he (I presume it’s he) was the well-known Nightvision, whose articles were posted on The Saker site when Amarynth was running it while The Saker was on sick leave. Nightvision was much missed after his articles stopped. Posted by: B. Wildered | May 28 2023 8:41 utc | 231 I can not follow up, the threads are too fast. Am lost. Posted by: stranger | May 28 2023 8:55 utc | 232 @ Paul Greenwood 223 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2023 8:58 utc | 233 @ Sushi, and re# control of the airplanes, that can be made into drones. Posted by: stranger | May 28 2023 9:05 utc | 234
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17999 Posted by: Down South | May 28 2023 9:22 utc | 237
It was my understanding that one of the reasons for not hitting obvious government buildings in Kiev was that their functions and records had been relocated to more secure locations early in the conflict.
Another outing by the MoD’s Dam Buster contingent, another shoe they would resent being on the other foot, a shameful operational nothing-burger from dullards who can’t manage to get the area under fire control. Posted by: anon2020 | May 28 2023 9:28 utc | 238 The back-up plan is to provoke a squabble in the Russian information space due to the fact that these chaotic shelling cannot be prevented in any way. Plus, to provoke Russian dissatisfaction with the “weakness” of the Kremlin. The West has given tacit permission for strikes on Russian territory. So the Armed Forces of Ukraine are chaotically swindling across the territory of Russia. Today, only one civilian was killed and about 6 people (including children) were injured. Posted by: rk | May 28 2023 9:28 utc | 239 bevin | May 28 2023 1:22 utc | 146 Posted by: grunzt | May 28 2023 9:35 utc | 240 https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/24or63/the_theory_of_boeings_uninterruptible_autopilot/ Posted by: stranger | May 28 2023 9:36 utc | 241 Tom Luongo weighs in…… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 28 2023 9:52 utc | 242 Posted by: grunzt | May 28 2023 9:35 utc | 243 Posted by: Milites | May 28 2023 10:01 utc | 243 Here is the latest hit on the frontline in Donbass, titled Fight, Mykola it neatly sums up the difference between the two sides, plus you can dance to it. Posted by: Debsisdead | May 28 2023 11:09 utc | 244 15 Posted by: Jo | May 28 2023 11:20 utc | 245 b. I get that today is your busiest day but if you get time can you check the bin here and in the general open thread cos I posted a link to “Fight, Mykola” the latest music vid to get the chaps on the Donbass frontline for Russia dancing. It’s a bit of a hoot and sends the hohols up rather than talking killer smack. Rumble links don’t wanna go through by the look of things. Posted by: Debsisdead | May 28 2023 11:28 utc | 246 Posted by: Jo | May 28 2023 11:20 utc | 249
I would be very interested in hearing more about this. Perhaps in the open thread? Posted by: robin | May 28 2023 11:37 utc | 247 Cynic @174:
That is part of the culture-shapers’ plans, but it is the smaller part. The very much larger part is to obfuscate what exploitation really is and redirect the impression of who the exploiters are onto the working class itself. To accomplish this they take the very most superficial surface feature of revolutionary socialism; compassion for the unfortunate, the crippled and maimed (that includes LGBTQWERTY++); and indoctrinate the population to believe that is what real Leftism is all about. With that nonsense internalized the brainwashed can no longer recognize that exploitation is how the rich get rich and the rest pay for it, and instead see exploitation as working people not being sufficiently compassionate. The brainwashed become convinced that working people (“Deplorable” MAGA people) are the source of misery in society and not the capitalist elites. Mission accomplished. Posted by: William Gruff | May 28 2023 11:50 utc | 248 I’ve listened to Rolo Slavskiy talking to George Szamuely. Geez, the guy is so full of himself. Obviously the internal politics in Russia as in other places is complicated. But to presume that he knows best what Russia should do? That he is privy to the motivations of all decisions? Full of shit. Claiming no Nazis in Ukraine. Dismissing Bandera/OUN tradition. Posted by: RB | May 28 2023 11:56 utc | 249 probabilities and potentials of various forces expressed through mediums of more than just a few dimensions, and their direct and indirect effects upon the manifestation of reality in whatever instance? Posted by: Jo | May 28 2023 12:04 utc | 250 @ Intelligent Dasein | May 28 2023 11:41 utc | 253 Posted by: whirlX | May 28 2023 12:06 utc | 251 Lengai | May 27 2023 21:11 utc | 63- This is spot on as is Lengai’s response to Bevin’s reply. It is right that Lengai does see the difference between Starmer and Corbyn. Posted by: Vragtes | May 28 2023 12:17 utc | 252 Ukraine’s chaotic scramble for fresh troops as recruiters go into overdrive Posted by: unimperator | May 28 2023 12:33 utc | 253 Posted by: whirlX | May 28 2023 12:06 utc | 257 Posted by: Milites | May 28 2023 12:35 utc | 254 Posted by: Down South | May 28 2023 8:18 utc | 232 Posted by: Andaréapié | May 28 2023 12:56 utc | 255 Paul Greenwood | May 28 2023 12:11 utc | 258 Posted by: whirlX | May 28 2023 13:06 utc | 256 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 28 2023 4:00 utc | 203 Posted by: Aslangeo | May 28 2023 13:16 utc | 257 @ Some Random Passerby | May 28 2023 10:18 utc | 248 Posted by: whirlX | May 28 2023 13:23 utc | 258
That is exactly what obvious CIPSO plants like Shadowbanned and Deplorable Comissar are trying to do here. It was always obvious but sometimes borders psychotic. Posted by: Poslan1 | May 28 2023 13:23 utc | 259 Fwiw:
Posted by: Babel-17 | May 28 2023 13:23 utc | 260 That is exactly what obvious CIPSO plants like Shadowbanned and Deplorable Comissar are trying to do here. It was always obvious but sometimes borders psychotic. Posted by: Bemildred | May 28 2023 13:37 utc | 261 What happens after Ukraine is lost? How do the Neo Cons recover after it? Sure, it seems insane that they would push for war with China after Afghanistan and Ukraine – but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Posted by: Eighthman | May 28 2023 13:38 utc | 262 Spooks: malevolent beings that lurk in the shadows intending harm to the innocent. Could be ghosts, thugs, or secret agents. They’re all best avoided. Posted by: William Gruff | May 28 2023 13:44 utc | 263 @mark2. Lies about u and another poster. You know there is a seach function here right? Anyone interested can search to see ur full of it. You and Circe were EXTREMELY disrespectful the the bar. REGULARLY. Spewing pro biden nonsense. Calling the bar fascist and rascist. While at the same time supporting 100 percent fascist org antifa. Its all there to see ya fuckin clown just go away. Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 28 2023 13:48 utc | 264 Aslangeo@264 Posted by: bevin | May 28 2023 13:50 utc | 265 Russia had so few troops in late February 2022 because there was no long term plan to invade Ukraine in 2022. The troops massed on the border were a show of force to equalize the Ukrainian buildup in Donbass. NATO loves the 3:1 rule. The Russian troops messed up the balance for a Ukrainian attack. Posted by: Lex | May 28 2023 13:59 utc | 266 George Szamuely,Peter Lavelle, Alex Mercouris, George Galloway, Scott Ritter, Col McGregor etc, Kim Dot Com etc. Posted by: Derek Henry | May 28 2023 14:00 utc | 267 Spook was a term used to refer to blacks in a derogatory manner a long time ago in the USA. Posted by: lex talionis | May 28 2023 14:03 utc | 268 Milites@246 Posted by: bevin | May 28 2023 14:04 utc | 269 @ Intelligent two hands 193 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2023 14:04 utc | 270 “..Presidents are dreadfully afraid of “looking weak”, and the media just go on and on about it, and usually this involves refusing to bully someone internationally… ” Bemildred@263 Posted by: bevin | May 28 2023 14:09 utc | 271 Comedian Dave Smith talking Ukraine with Joe Rogan. Well worth listening. Posted by: Morongobill | May 28 2023 14:09 utc | 272 @ Lex | May 28 2023 13:59 utc | 268 Posted by: whirlX | May 28 2023 14:20 utc | 273 ‘Spook’ was first used to mean a ghost (1801). The other meanings – spy, black, etc. – are all 20th century derivatives, all easy to see how they came about. Posted by: laguerre | May 28 2023 14:26 utc | 274 I recommend the 1969 novel The Spook Who Sat by the Door by Sam Greenlee, which uses the word “spook” in both senses mentioned above. According to Wikipedia, the novel has been described as “part thriller, part satire and part social commentary”. Posted by: Spiny Norman | May 28 2023 14:33 utc | 275 @ me 272 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2023 14:35 utc | 276 @ Lex | May 28 2023 13:59 utc | 268 Posted by: Marduck | May 28 2023 14:40 utc | 277 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2023 14:04 utc | 272 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 28 2023 14:55 utc | 278 That was the CIA criticism of JFK after the Cuban crises. Of course having campaigned on the platform of Nixon’s weakness and Eisenhower’s allowing the “missile gap’ to come into being, he contributed to his own demise. Posted by: Bemildred | May 28 2023 14:57 utc | 279 Posted by: robin | May 28 2023 11:37 utc | 252 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 28 2023 14:57 utc | 280 ‘Spook’ was first used to mean a ghost (1801). The other meanings – spy, black, etc. – are all 20th century derivatives, all easy to see how they came about. Posted by: Bemildred | May 28 2023 14:59 utc | 281 Russia did pretty well in Afghanistan until the Great Satan decided to arm what became the Taleban. All of a sudden the tribesmen had Stinger missiles, deadly against Russian helicopters. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 28 2023 15:01 utc | 282 There’s something to be noted about 120k as the max deployable RF soldiers overseas in a non-all out war setting. That still holds true from Feb 2022 until now, most of the fighting done by DLPR, Rosgvardia and Wagner with Russian Army proper handling logistics and backline support. There were rare exceptions like briefly appeared 1st Guards tank army and the ‘surrendered’ 155th Marine Brigade (*yawn* according to Yahoo News not reality). Posted by: _newbie_ | May 28 2023 15:01 utc | 283 @ Tannenhouser 266 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2023 15:01 utc | 284 @ Giyane | May 28 2023 14:35 utc | 278 Posted by: whirlX | May 28 2023 15:02 utc | 285 @ Paul Greenwood 280 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2023 15:05 utc | 286 Hey Hack! Great posts lately. I’m not that impressed with chatgpt. GIGO. It does seem to parrot the party line. Not that my opinion matters anymore than anyone else’s. And, as far as Roger Waters goes, I gather that he’s been doing this same show for centuries. Never got to see Pink Floyd, but several of my friends worked back stage in Sacramento. It took 4 days to set up. A lot of musicians around here work backstage and my son is a sound engineer that has worked for many famous acts, including Prince, Dianna Ross, Lady Gaga and Katie Perry. And he’s been to the White House a couple of times and did sound for Obama and a couple of other candidates. Been to Russia, Israel, all of Europe, Singapore and Hong Kong and beyond. Cheers mates! Now I’ve got more mundane things to do, yardwork and such. Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 28 2023 15:24 utc | 287 @ whirlX 287 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2023 15:27 utc | 288 Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 28 2023 15:24 utc | 289 Posted by: Derek Henry | May 28 2023 15:35 utc | 289 Tom_Q_Collins | May 28 2023 2:43 utc | 170 Posted by: Cynic | May 28 2023 15:59 utc | 290 Tom_Q_Collins | May 28 2023 4:00 utc | 202 Posted by: Cynic | May 28 2023 16:06 utc | 291 grunzt | May 28 2023 9:35 utc | 242 Posted by: Cynic | May 28 2023 16:57 utc | 292 Giyane 286. U seem interested. Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 28 2023 17:15 utc | 293 Posted by: Derek Henry | May 28 2023 15:35 utc | 291 Posted by: Go Figure | May 28 2023 17:25 utc | 294 State dept statement regarding Gonzalo Lira Posted by: GT Stroller | May 28 2023 20:27 utc | 295 @ Tannenhouser 295 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2023 5:14 utc | 296 Biswapriya Purkayast | May 28 2023 4:42 utc | 208 Posted by: Cynic | May 29 2023 14:04 utc | 297 |
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