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May 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-126

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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Posted by: Norwegian | May 27 2023 7:18 utc | 191
I wouldn’t trust Medvedev to be willing to reveal Russia’s ultimate SPECIFIC plans for Ukraine.
In any event, if Russia does as he says, they will have lost the war. You just don’t hand over territory to your enemies off-hand for emotional (“we don’t like western Ukrainians because they don’t like us”) reasons. That makes zero sense.
If Medvedev thinks that solution is a good idea, he really hasn’t thought it through. Which, as I’ve said before, would not surprise me. I simply assume Putin and most of the rest of his team aren’t that dumb.
of course, as I’ve also said repeatedly, I could be wrong about how smart Putin and his team are. I simply assume that if I can figure out it’s a bad idea, so can Putin.
Everyone will now jump in and belittle me in some fashion, as usual.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:18 utc | 201

Posted by: mo3.1 | May 27 2023 7:22 utc | 192
“But such comments and some others here come from laypeople… sometimes even those who have never served. Ergo, what should come out of the statement…. Stupid chatter.. For laypeople = civilians!”
Brother, you’ve got that right!

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:20 utc | 202

RIA News
Volgograd court arrested until July 20 Nikita Zhuravel, who burned the Koran at the mosque.
Nikita Zhuravel, detained for burning the Koran in Volgograd, was taken to Chechnya, at the Grozny pre-trial detention center he is met by outraged residents of the region with posters “Hands off the Koran”, RIA Novosti correspondent reports.
Hum, the chair feet are square over there.

Posted by: la bouteille | May 27 2023 8:29 utc | 203

May be Zalhuzny has the keys for the counteroffensive in his back pocket.

Posted by: auximenes | May 27 2023 8:36 utc | 204

@ Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:00 utc | 201
IIRC, last year, didn’t you dismiss the “this ends with nukes” fear? If so, can you kindly briefly articulate what changed your thinking? I could “guess” it’s the “Natzo stubbornness displayed the past year”, as that has indeed increased my own concern. Just wondering.
Many respected MoA parons dismiss the idea and sometimes belittle the people who suggest it.

Posted by: natokraine | May 27 2023 8:36 utc | 205

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 3:33 utc | 150
Sorry, I thought I’d made myself clear, or I misread the intention and narrative thrust of your original post. I’ll try again.
Russia will get to the Polish border if she has the military capability to do so, if not she’ll have to settle with the Dneiper line. It won’t be a strategic choice dictated by a NATO timeline of ‘when the nukes fall’. So far she has not demonstrated the capability to do either, which does not mean she lacks it, just that she has not exercised it. If this were being refought with 80’s capabilities, Russia would have been at the Polish border in less than two weeks; however, the butcher’s bill would have been horrific and it’s unlikely it would not have had a crippling impact on their country. So the analysis boils down to either either cannot execute the drive for the border, they can but the timing is wrong, or they have no intention of doing so. Having studied the rise-fall and partial rise of the Russian Army, I’m less than sanguine about their ability to launch large offensives, than some who comment here. Even in their heyday, the ‘seven days to the Rhine, two weeks to the Channel’ was a fanciful timetable, and only achievable by integrating the release of nuclear weapons into the offensive plan, from the start.
‘The Russian General Staff doesn’t do “hasty”.’ True, but they do historically plan to execute operations, of this sort, with great haste on timetables that are highly vulnerable to any organised resistance. The shambolic scenes and composition of columns being ambushed suggests a failed coup-de-main, as a result of a successful Western intel operation to paint a false picture of the situation on the ground, setting them up for attacks by units using tactics they’d practiced for eight years and using weapons perfectly suited for the task. So no, the timing was not right, it was a shambles with failed air-assaults, units running out of fuel, AD columns being ambushed and the BTG’s Achilles heel (lack of dismounts) brutally punished. The Russians strategic and operation superiority, over that of the West, was demonstrated when the rival camps were both faced with the failure of their original plans. To deny there was an initial problem with the SMO’s execution ironically denies the Russians credit for their real successes, a synchronisation and rapid-recalibration of the political and military objectives and with a speed and efficacy that the Roman Empire would be jealous of.

Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 8:44 utc | 206

Posted by: Exile | May 27 2023 5:43 utc | 177
Who commented:
“Another illuminating book on the topic of breakdown in command during Vietnam and collapse of the US Military is Dispatches by Micheal Herr This is more on the poetical side.
https://books.google.de/books?id=QcWumjEd-HIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=dispatches&hl=de&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=dispatches&f=false
Hello again Exile, you mention an excellent book with a reliable content. Thanks for reminding me that I loaned this book but it was not returned. The lesson is, never loan books.

Posted by: Paul GV | May 27 2023 8:50 utc | 207

Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 8:44 utc | 212
As I understand it, the plan that has been place for a long time now (nearly 12 months) is to cause a collapse in UAF – in order to not have to fight for each individual settlement up and into western Ukraine with head-on/frontal assaults. If Ukraine/Nato pull their troops back into large and small cities and settlements, it will be a significantly worse outcome, which will prolong fighting and cause more casualties for both sides. They can keep the forces, air defense and logistics tight and efficient as possible. Which may not be as much so heading beyond Dnepr river.
Luckily enough (as bad as it may sound), Ukraine/Nato is helping with this objective by piling all their troops forward at convenient locations in the Donbass, where fighting is relatively cheaper for Russia and more expensive and prone to disruptions for Nato. It does cause them ability to hit civilians from time to time (they even managed to fly a drone into Krasnodar). We’ll see.

Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 8:56 utc | 208

Re: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:18 utc | 206
Maybe Medvedev is thinking those territories would just be a headache for Russia, and since military bases will be built butted against Poland & Romania borders anyways, the border isn’t an issue. Frankly, for a Poland or Romania to reconstitute those territories would seem like a prize, but I can see them also having years of problems assimilating them.
I think Medvedev is just throwing stuff out there like everyone else is, I think he & Putin and all the military are aware that the only “end” to this, ior thus ends with a NATO/US/UK/Russia conflict anyways, where Poland & Romania are one of the first to go with their toys.
It may go nuclear, but it’s not needed. I mean Russia can handle NATO without Nukes.
You mentioned earlier about “escalation” and the flimsy responses that are hardly reassuring, well, right now as we know, it only takes one party bent on war to bring it to pass, I see nothing that’s changed the intent of the West to create conditions & execute another World War.
We had an oil embargo against Japan, and the UK was initially funding Hitler. Was anyone “surprised” by a WW?
I know that’s ridiculously simplified, but one can hardly be “unsure” at this point about WW3, as for Nukes?
Weren’t they used also? Is anyone really still pretending the US didn’t KNOW the devastation it would cause?
I know, I know, I read the “joint communique” about how all nations are in agreement “never to use” blah blah blah…
Again, for me, I see no evidence of Nuke Warfare NOT in our future, so unless there is evidence of de-escalation, it’s a done deal. And I have already written my letters, done my protests, called my “electors” and the “responses” I get, albeit comp generated probably, is “defending democracy”, “autocratic Putin” “support Ukraines struggle for freedom “…so , again no evidence WW3 isn’t going to happen.
That’s why I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about whether Poland gets some territory or Romania get that piece, because in the end, without contradicting evidence, they’re ash heap holes.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 27 2023 9:06 utc | 209

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:12 utc | 205
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Everything you write is correct!
But
That’s exactly what the mob in Germany is not told in media reports!
Ergo again only “make courage” persevere slogans in the media…

Posted by: mo3.1 | May 27 2023 9:12 utc | 210

Posted by: Exile | May 27 2023 5:43 utc | 177
Not just fragging but Foding by disgruntled maintenance crews, ‘accidentally’ leaving objects to be ingested.

Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 9:17 utc | 211

Why did Chancellor Scholz travel to Korea in such a provocative manner?
Detailed reports of him visiting the border with North Korea…
According to the motto, let’s steal Ukraine and Russia’s border….
Because that is exactly the escape route of the west of NATO to save face…
Whether Putin also sees this as a possibility….a western Ukraine then armed up to the neck, possibly with nuclear weapons!
Every negotiation involves two…
Not the dream world of Scholz and &
But, it is repeated on every channel in DE…
Prepare for what??

Posted by: mo3.1 | May 27 2023 9:19 utc | 212

Posted by: mo3.1 | May 27 2023 9:19 utc | 218
That border in Korea is the reason West Germany was allowed to re-arm. That war in Korea is the basis of the Deutschlandvertrag 1952. The defeat of France at Dien Bien Phu is the reason for the Paris Treaty 1954 which was more advantageous to West Germany than the 1952 Treaty and the basis of West Germany joining NATO.
There is so much linkage between Korean War and West Germany in 1950s that you would need a very poor education in history not to know about it.
You might even suspect Stalin okayed Kim Il Sung invading the South simply to test the Americans over Berlin

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 9:45 utc | 213

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:18 utc | 205
https://ipn.gov.pl/en/digital-resources/articles/7174,The-occupation-of-part-of-Cieszyn-Silesia-by-Poland-in-1938.html
https://www.memoryofnations.eu/en/2-10-1938-polands-annexation-teschen-area
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1938v01/d640
Paris, September 26, 1938—6 p.m.
[Received September 26—3:50 p.m.]
1595. I talked with the Polish Ambassador today at his invitation. He said to me that he confidentially [confidently?] expected Bonnet to return from London with the Teschen District on a platter to present to him as a gift to Poland. He said that this gift would not change in any [way?] the attitude of Poland. Poland did not need to have the Teschen District handed to her by France or anyone else. She could and would take the Teschen District when she wished. There were five divisions on the Polish frontier opposite the Teschen District for that purpose. Any gift of Teschen to Poland would mean something only if it were a gift, not to purchase Poland’s neutrality in case of war; but a gift which would be a part of the reorganization of real peace in Eastern Europe.
I asked him what he meant by this. He said that it was clear that there could be no peace in Eastern Europe until Poland and Hungary had a common frontier, and Poland was encouraged by France and England to build up a bloc consisting of Poland, Hungary and Rumania to resist further German advance eastward.

You see – Medvedev like Russians in high office KNOW European history and are dangling the carrot before what Churchill said of Poland 1938……..””with the greed of a hyena took part in the robbery and destruction of the Czechoslovak state.”
So Poland is being enticed to take what it wants and blow up NATO credibility

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 9:53 utc | 214

Pentagon Generals totally blown away by the sheer brilliance of Kiev‘s super genius use of the Patriot AD missiles ( sic)
https://www.merkur.de/politik/pentagon-ukraine-krieg-usa-patriot-luftabwehr-russland-putin-kinschal-rakete-kiew-92302636.html

Posted by: Exile | May 27 2023 10:00 utc | 215

Zalhuzny
It’s not “Don’t it make my brown eyes blue”, but~ don’t it make my blue eyes brown?
Latest Ukrainian “proof of life” vid has a eye colour change (?)
Here’s Dima from Military Summary, who, after 14 months of daily updates, has finally mastered the art of “summary” ….. adopting and adapting the WEEB Union style of quick, just the facts, clickbait yt monetised vid.
To Be Or Not To Be Zaluzhny? That Is The Question. Military Summary And Analysis For 2023.05.27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McjejrA5OMo
The song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnp5HR751w

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 27 2023 10:05 utc | 216

Posted by: natokraine | May 27 2023 8:36 utc | 210
Well, frankly, I can’t remember what I may have said then. Perhaps I was referring to the non-starter of Russia using nukes. In any event, clearly the escalation continues, and it becomes apparent that the neocons aren’t going to stop. As The Duran guys say, the neocons have no “reverse gear” – just double down.
I guess I simply have to agree with Martyanov that these people are lunatics and imbeciles, and don’t understand that, as he put it, you can’t escalate when you don’t have escalation dominance – meaning ultimately Russia can defeat NATO entirely and probably including the US. The problem is the consequences of that stoppage. And as I’ve said, I don’t see anyone in a position to stop them other than Russia (and possibly China).

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 10:19 utc | 217

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:00 utc | 200
Or the completely irrational, and therefore more likely theory, that the majority of rational apes allow themselves to be ruled by the minority, who prioritise the emotions, preferring instead to get on with their everyday lives. Revolutions might therefore be a time when the majority find a new group of sociopathic ‘children’ to replace the present lot who have demonstrably failed. Some social scientists (Scandinavians IIRC) used to think that famous people were mentally I’ll, as they craved the removal of anonymity, I wonder if most of the elite are similarly compromised mentally, as they crave the absence of being human; witness their obsession with destroying the cultural norms of society and enforcing the doctrine of body dysmorphia into, and onto, every element of society they control, including now it seems their proxy Ukraine.
As for solutions, there are many are available that are historically tried and tested, ‘nuff said.

Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 10:40 utc | 218

Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 8:44 utc | 211
“Russia will get to the Polish border if she has the military capability to do so, if not she’ll have to settle with the Dneiper line.”
As I’ve said many times, it’s a physical impossibility for Russia to lose this war. Therefore getting to the Polish border is not a problem.
“It won’t be a strategic choice dictated by a NATO timeline of ‘when the nukes fall’.”
Of course not. If nukes fall, we’re at WWIII – whether Russia gets to the Polish border then is irrelevant.
“So far she has not demonstrated the capability to do either, which does not mean she lacks it, just that she has not exercised it.”
Russia doesn’t need to “demonstrate” anything. The capability is there – just look at the military balance. You are correct that Russia has not exercised it, because for whatever reason that is the General Staff and the political leadership’s intention.
“If this were being refought with 80’s capabilities, Russia would have been at the Polish border in less than two weeks; however, the butcher’s bill would have been horrific and it’s unlikely it would not have had a crippling impact on their country.”
True, but irrelevant. If this were re-fought with the 80’s circumstances, NATO would have half a million troops in Europe, the US would be able to come the rescue, etc., etc. So that point is moot because this isn’t the 80’s, Russia has a far stronger force than NATO and Russia has the capability to interdict an US intervention short of nuclear war.
“So the analysis boils down to either either cannot execute the drive for the border, they can but the timing is wrong, or they have no intention of doing so.”
No, the analysis does not boil down to that. As I’ve said, there are other factors involved, most of which we don’t know at all. My belief is that Russia is managing NATO’s reaction to the conflict to avoid NATO getting hysterical and starting WWIII. Russia is also avoiding the sort of casualties one takes when one uses the “bull-rush” method of an offensive. Russia remembers the casualty rate in WWII and doesn’t want to subject the current electorate to that sort of thing.
As I say, there are probably many other reasons for the pace of the SMO. Since as I and Martyanov and everyone else has continually asserted, no one but the Stavka knows the plan or the timetable. So it’s impossible to say why the war is being conducted and paced as it is. All we know is that it is – so far.
“Having studied the rise-fall and partial rise of the Russian Army, I’m less than sanguine about their ability to launch large offensives…”
Nice statement. No specifics. An assertion like that means absolutely nothing without specific reasons to back it up. Provide those reasons or I have to just dismiss it.
“Even in their heyday, the ‘seven days to the Rhine, two weeks to the Channel’ was a fanciful timetable, and only achievable by integrating the release of nuclear weapons into the offensive plan, from the start.”
Once again, the 80’s are not relevant here. In the 80’s, it was widely acknowledged that NATO forces (including the large US force in Europe) in Europe were only hoped to hold the line until the US could reinforce. And it was expected that NATO might have to resort to at least tactical nukes to achieve that. Completely irrelevant to the present day when Russia can interdict US forces moving by air or sea to Europe to reinforce. In other words, it’s a completely new ballgame.
“‘The Russian General Staff doesn’t do “hasty”.’ True, but they do historically plan to execute operations, of this sort, with great haste on timetables that are highly vulnerable to any organised resistance.”
Again, specifics, please. I don’t have a detailed history of Russian operations in WWII or anywhere since. It seems to me that Syria was very well organized, but of course that has nothing to do with “real war”. And I suspect Russian WWII history is not really relevant to the current state of affairs, as many have said.
“The shambolic scenes and composition of columns being ambushed suggests a failed coup-de-main”
The Russians were in a hurry to gain ground, pin the Ukrainian forces in place to avoid a counteroffensive, and in the case of Kiev, both pin forces and try to scare the regime into negotiating. Once the required objectives were obtained, everyone fell back into defensive positions and began the “ground and pound.” Sure, there were some cases of Russian columns outrunning their flank support and logistics and running into heaver Ukrainian units than the specific unit was equipped for. It happens. Study some of the reports from the 2003 Iraq invasion. I followed that closely on Iraqwar.ru and things didn’t always go to plan for the US, either, against far inferior forces than Russia was up against.
“as a result of a successful Western intel operation to paint a false picture of the situation on the ground,”
I’ve heard that claimed by people like Ritter. I’ve seen zero evidence that was true. AFAIK it’s purely speculation, unless someone can cite a high Russian official admitting that was true. Given that Russian intelligence had people all over Ukraine, probably including inside the Zelensky regime and the Ukrainian military, plus the first or second best ISR in the world, I find it highly implausible. Again – evidence or it didn’t happen.
“setting them up for attacks by units using tactics they’d practiced for eight years and using weapons perfectly suited for t” task.”
Again, specifics. What specific incidents occurred where Russian units were caught off-guard by Ukrainian units and what specific Ukrainian tactics and NATO weapons were the cause of Russian failures.
“So no, the timing was not right, it was a shambles with failed air-assaults, units running out of fuel, AD columns being ambushed and the BTG’s Achilles heel (lack of dismounts) brutally punished.”
This all sounds like stuff straight from Strelkov and assorted Telegram channels. I could give BTG problems some credence, but since the operation has continued to function perfectly well to date, apparently those little tactical issues have zero relevance to the overall operational plan – as most of the military experts have explicitly said.
“To deny there was an initial problem with the SMO’s execution ironically denies the Russians credit for their real successes, a synchronisation and rapid-recalibration of the political and military objectives and with a speed and efficacy that the Roman Empire would be jealous of.”
Which negates and in fact has nothing to do with the overall question of what the overall operational plan is and whether Russia has the resources to achieve it.
So that was an entirely wasted set of assertions. If all you intend to do is raise tactical issues and questions about the overall competence of the Russian military, none of that follows that Russia is not capable of doing what I say they need to do. Especially when neither you or anyone else can point to any capability (short of nukes) on either the Ukrainian or US/NATO side which is capable of preventing Russia from achieving whatever its goals are.
I grow continually suspicious of how many people in these threads – even those who are not obvious “concern trolls” – seem to have no other purpose but to question whether Russia can defeat Ukraine.
Frankly, it’s risible that the question even arises. As I’ve said repeatedly, it is a physical impossibility for Russia to lose this war short of nukes being deployed against Russia. A simple count of the relevant resources on each side is sufficient to establish this beyond any doubt.
The only people who doubt that are 1) people with an agenda, 2) people who don’t understand the military balance and relevant military capabilities of the sides and the operational experience of the sides (as Martyanov says, no one in the US has ever seen a war like this nor have they prepared for such a war, whereas Russia has, even if we have to go back to WWII), or 3) both.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 10:51 utc | 219

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 9:53 utc | 220
So Poland is being enticed to take what it wants and blow up NATO credibility
And that I think is the critical point and a crucial element of RF strategy.
Medvedev is being shrewd. It is not the case that:
if Russia does as he says, they will have lost the war. You just don’t hand over territory to your enemies off-hand for emotional (“we don’t like western Ukrainians because they don’t like us”) reasons. That makes zero sense.
If Medvedev thinks that solution is a good idea, he really hasn’t thought it through. Which, as I’ve said before, would not surprise me. I simply assume Putin and most of the rest of his team aren’t that dumb.

Russia is fighting on a number of fronts: 1) Against 404 and its military – the ground war; 2) Against NATO and the 54 countries funding and assisting 404 – the diplomatic war; 3) Against Bidenists and neocon ideologues – the war for global multi-polarity.
Medvedev HAS thought it through. Any statement which causes some faction to reconsider its endorsement, or participation in, the conflict is a positive outcome for Russia. If Poland contemplates the reacquisition of a portion of its former lands, and this causes it to second guess its NATO position, that is a big positive especially if such “splitism” results in a rethink of the present adverarial coalition.
I think the same is true of Medvedev’s statements regarding a possible long war. The RF is well positioned for a long war. I do not believe the European economies, with their suicidal economic policies, can tolerate an indefinite conflict in Europe. Such protracted weakness increases dependence on the US, will impact election dynamics, and will advance Macron’s notion of a new EU security architecture, one directed by Europe and reflective EU interests as opposed to the interests of the global hegemon.
And this outcome will likely greatly lower the threat of Armageddon

Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 10:53 utc | 220

‘The Russian General Staff doesn’t do “hasty”.’ True, but they do historically plan to execute operations, of this sort, with great haste on timetables that are highly vulnerable to any organised resistance. The shambolic scenes and composition of columns being ambushed suggests a failed coup-de-main, as a result of a successful Western intel operation to paint a false picture of the situation on the ground, setting them up for attacks by units using tactics they’d practiced for eight years and using weapons perfectly suited for the task. So no, the timing was not right, it was a shambles with failed air-assaults, units running out of fuel, AD columns being ambushed and the BTG’s Achilles heel (lack of dismounts) brutally punished.
The above is a direct parrot of NATO/MI6/CIA propaganda….
I challenge anyone to document “Columns being ambushed”….. “failed coup-de-main”….”failed air-assaults”….”units running out of fuel”…
Apparently the poster does not understand the purpose of the vertical insertion into the air base NW of Kiev, nor the “column” moved toward Kiev at the beginning of the SMO….
I’ll recap…
The STAVKA determined that NATO/UkroNazi planners hoped to tie down Russian/DPR/LPR forces in an attritional frontal attack on their fortified front line, while their main thrust would drive to Crimea for the purpose of taking same.
The STAVKA chose to threaten Kiev/Kharkov for the purpose of forcing the UkroNazis into dividing their forces to protect those cities, which happened.
The southern flank thus being lightly defended, the Russians charged north and west taking the ZNPP, Kherson, and much of Zaproizhe region, thus creating a land bridge from Volgograd to the Deniper River, and beyond.
From Kherson, the Russians hoped to take lands further west, possibly surrounding Odessa.
In the process, the Russians destroyed the First UkroNazi army, and forced the Ukies to the negociation table in Istanbul.
NATO stepped in via Boris Johnson, stopped the diplomatic initiative, and created the second UkroNazi army.
This forced the STAVKA to bring in Suvrokin, who rationalized the contact line, armoured same, and organized for an attritional war wherein the Ukies did the attacking, and the Russians did the killing.
This destroyed the second and third UkroNazi armies, the latter at Artemovsk.
At the moment, NATO is trying to organize the fourth UkroNazi army. For which they need to buy time.
Hence talk of F-16(s), Abrams and Challenger tanks, and DU ammo.
The DU ammo turned into a fiasco, when the Russians destroyed the ammo dump where it was stored, together with material for the Ukie dirty bomb, conveniently at a time when a stationary high created SE winds over the site, thus carrying the RadioNuclides across western Ukraine and into Poland, Germany, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, and the UK.
Now, the Russians are on a campaign to find and destroy all Ukie ammo and fuel dumps, and assembly areas.
This is a failure???
INDY
This caused

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 10:54 utc | 221

Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 8:56 utc | 212
Correct. That’s precisely why I said there are many reasons why Russia might be conducting the SMO in the manner and at the pace they are.
More importantly, we can not argue from that conduct or pace what the ultimate objectives are. I argue that those objectives are based on what I think are the objective requirements of Russia’s security as articulated by Putin over the past several years vis-a-vis NATO strategic weapons on Russia’s border. The PDF I linked to discusses that in some detail and makes the argument as well as I can, even though the author’s conclusions are the usual BS.
I simply extrapolate from that to “what would I do to counter NATO in Poland and Romania” – and my conclusion is based on the principle I stated above: if you have strategic enemy weapons five minutes from your capital, then you put your defenses thirty seconds from those enemy weapons to give yourself the maximum time to effectively respond to a first strike.
Q.E.D.
To make a joke about strategic missile defense: “It’s not rocket science.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 10:58 utc | 222

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 27 2023 9:06 utc | 213
“Maybe Medvedev is thinking those territories would just be a headache for Russia”
That’s precisely what everyone assumes the Russians think. I simply argue that common sense says you don’t give up territory to your enemies who will then use that territory against you any way they can. It seems almost impossible for people here to grasp that concept.
People also assume Russia can’t and doesn’t want to handle a bunch of disgruntled western Ukrainians. There’s zero evidence for that assertion, either on the capability side or on the side where Russia views its security concerns as overriding that notion.
“I think Medvedev is just throwing stuff out there like everyone else is”
Quite possible. It’s also likely he’s just blowing smoke out his ass to keep Poland confused.
“I think he & Putin and all the military are aware that the only “end” to this, ior thus ends with a NATO/US/UK/Russia conflict anyways, where Poland & Romania are one of the first to go with their toys. It may go nuclear, but it’s not needed. I mean Russia can handle NATO without Nukes.”
I agree. Or at least that’s the risk. If not, then Russia takes Ukraine off the board, and counters NATO strategic weapons in Poland and Romania. Russia achieves at least a portion of its security concerns. Where it goes from there in terms of rolling back NATO further I haven’t given much thought to, as that’s too far away.
“You mentioned earlier about “escalation” and the flimsy responses that are hardly reassuring, well, right now as we know, it only takes one party bent on war to bring it to pass, I see nothing that’s changed the intent of the West to create conditions & execute another World War.”
Agreed.
“I know, I know, I read the “joint communique” about how all nations are in agreement “never to use” blah blah blah…”
I agree. I ignore all that stuff. When push comes to shove, states do what they want or have to.
“again no evidence WW3 isn’t going to happen.”
I don’t believe it’s guaranteed yet. As you say, that depends on whether Russia can defeat NATO conventionally, without using nukes, AND whether the US/UK/France decides to escalate to nukes. The odds are bad, but they aren’t 100 percent, either. But as I said, the risk rises the closer Russia comes to achieving its maximal goals in Ukraine.
“That’s why I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about whether Poland gets some territory or Romania get that piece, because in the end, without contradicting evidence, they’re ash heap holes.”
Very likely. All that sort of speculation is a waste of brain electricity, which is why it irritates me so that people spend so much time on it without the slightest evidence other than their own speculation that it will happen. My arguments are based on what I see is the objective requirements of Russian security and that simply has to entail going to the Polish border and putting a Military District there with the whole nine yards of Russian capability.
It’s not on the same level as how everyone else thinks:
1) Give Poland western Ukraine.
2) ????
3) Profit!

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:14 utc | 223

Cracks appearing in the European MSM…
‘Speaking in the Estonian capital Tallinn, [Fiona Hill] argued that what we are living through is not a proxy war between the US, or a collective West, and Russia. “In the current geopolitical arena, the war is now effectively the reverse – a proxy for a rebellion by Russia and the ‘rest’ against the United States. The war in Ukraine is perhaps the event that makes the passing of pax Americana apparent to everyone.”
Middle powers or swing states in the major world regions, like those invited to Hiroshima, seek to cut the US down to size, assert their own interests and values in their neighbourhoods, and exert more influence on world affairs. “They want to decide, not be told what’s in their interest. In short, in 2023, we hear a resounding no to US domination and see a marked appetite for a world without a hegemon,” Hill said.
From this rebellion there is emerging a new pattern of limited partnerships and mini-lateralism, whose fragments are perhaps trending towards the more balanced and equal multipolarity that China and Russia advocate for.
Hill recognises the appeal of such rhetoric and acknowledges the loss of US credibility in most world regions after US unilateral action in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Iraq. That has undermined trust in its actions. “For some, the US is a flawed international actor with its own domestic problems to attend to. For others, the US is a new form of imperial state that ignores the concerns of others and throws its military weight around.”
A new vocabulary to describe the emerging world is needed, she argues. “Why in fact are they labelled … the ‘Global South’, having previously been called the Third World or the Developing World? Why are they even the ‘rest’ of the world? They are the world, representing 6.5 billion people. Our terminology reeks of colonialism.”
This is a salutary perspective [according to Gillespie] from which to understand contemporary world change. The US and the EU recognise it is happening as they canvass support for policy and trade advantage, and compete with China on new forms of aid. Many states sympathise with the African leader who said you get a bridge from China, but a lecture from the US or the EU.
Read on:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/27/an-appetite-for-a-world-without-a-hegemon-is-emerging/

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 11:20 utc | 224

Somewhere in a particularly American-mindset everything is a prelude to using nuclear weapons. It must be because USA is the only nation to have used them and it did it far from home on much the same people as they stuck in concentration camps in California…………
I do not believe ANY political authority considers the use of nuclear weapons and I doubt any policymaker in the military does either – the consequences are self-annihilating
It is the clear mark of the child to even suggest their usage except in the Endgame of Suicide……it would mean the end of the Continental United States

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 11:24 utc | 225

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 9:53 utc | 218
Quite possible. Or Russia could be enticing Poland to enter the war to give Russia the excuse to “accidentally” take out those Aegis Ashore installations, sort of like NATO “accidentally” bombing the Chinese Embassy. Poland would claim its entry is not a “NATO action”, and Russia would claim taking out a NATO installation was simply “prudent” or “accidental”, thereby avoiding a direct Russia-NATO clash.
Pure speculation, of course. And the US would use it as an excuse to start a direct war anyway, so a waste of speculation on my part.
Martyanov thinks Russia could allow Poland to take western Ukraine, if Poland is “nice about it”, i.e., does it minimally and with some diplomacy. Otherwise he thinks Russia would annihilate the Polish forces. I think Russia will simply annihilate them, especially if Poland claims its incursion is not a “NATO action” but strictly a Polish action. And if Poland did that, NATO under its own Charter would be basically hamstrung from responding, but again, not that it would stop them.
It’s really boring arguing this particular topic over and over since the entire concept is purely speculative until it happens. I simply ignore the issue except insofar as people use it to argue against Russia going to the Polish border. The two aren’t even connected in any logical sense.
Poland isn’t going to do an incursion into Ukraine to “stop Russia” because whatever territory they take will end up being a border with Russia. It’s strictly a Polish land grab. How Russia will treat that depends entirely on 1) whether they recognize that it’s not a good idea to give your enemies territory they can use against you, and 2) whether their security concerns override any lack of interest in preventing Poland from grabbing Ukraine because of antipathy to western Ukrainians. I argue the latter is true, that Russia will consider having a military base right up to the present Polish border to be more important than worrying about disgruntled western Ukrainians.
Disgruntled western Ukrainians are a nuisance – Aegis Ashore installations are an actual threat, as Putin has repeatedly said.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:29 utc | 226

Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 10:53 utc | 224
“If Poland contemplates the reacquisition of a portion of its former lands, and this causes it to second guess its NATO position, that is a big positive especially if such “splitism” results in a rethink of the present adverarial coalition.”
Exactly how does Poland doing a land grab “second guess its NATO position”? NATO and the US don’t give a shit if Poland grabs western Ukraine. They’d welcome it if it complicates Russia’s plans, even if they don’t know those plans. Some individual EU countries might grumble about “re-arranging borders”, but that will go nowhere compared to US/NATO influence, especially if Poland couches the land grab as “humanitarian intervention against Russia.”
How does that in any way cause a “split” in NATO?
More importantly, those Aegis Ashore installations will stay in Poland regardless of what Poland does in a land grab. I argue that Russia cares more about that than whether they want to deal with a bunch of disgruntled western Ukrainians who don’t like them. So I think if Poland tries it, Russia will view that as a complication they don’t want and will annihilate the incursion force.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:38 utc | 227

Disgruntled western Ukrainians are a nuisance – Aegis Ashore installations are an actual threat, as Putin has repeatedly said.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:29 utc | 230

Correct.
Also, they need to link physically with Serbia, which is now landlocked, and split NATO in two if possible. That means going through Hungary, and thus control over Uzhgorod and Ivano-Frankovsk as a minimum, and everything linking those to Russia. Poland can have Lvov if they want to, but only that region. Not even Lutsk and Rovno, because then that creates a NATO salient into the Union State territory; it’s much better to have the front straightened.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 11:41 utc | 228

So I think if Poland tries it, Russia will view that as a complication they don’t want and will annihilate the incursion force.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:38 utc | 231

There is a scenario in which Poland and Romania receive a strategic strike (i.e. not just on military installations), then NATO backs off (and falls apart in the process) because nobody wants to die, and deadly intent has been demonstrated beyond any doubt, and that is how Russia’s demands for a security buffer are achieved, by simply erasing what was in that territory. And maybe it ends there.
If it does not end there, Poland is getting glassed regardless…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 11:47 utc | 229

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 10:54 utc | 225
Agreed. Although I haven’t seen any evidence of a “dirty bomb”, not that I would be surprised if it existed.
My impression of the SMO is that, with one or two exceptions (not pressing the bridgehead over the Dnieper in Kherson and not taking out all Ukrainian AD on Day One), everything has gone exactly to plan, whatever that plan was and it appears to be exactly as it has emerged, i.e., a war of attrition, minus some minor adjustments as a result of actual battlefield experience. As Martyanov points out, you have to get the data back from the field and analyze it to see what you need to change in terms of operational plan and tactics. By all accounts re adjustment to things like HIMARS, etc., Russia has done that very well.
Considering the first six months of the war Russia had a 1:1 to 3:1 disadvantage in numbers and were up against hard-core defensive fortifications, they did extremely well, inflicting up to ten times more casualties on Ukraine than they took. If that’s a failure, it will be interesting to see what the win looks like.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:47 utc | 230

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:38 utc | 231
Mr. Hack,
Good to see you posting again. Try to calm down.
Yes, grabbing things is what NATO does, it is only a problem when somebody who is not NATO grabs something of has something NATO wants. “Democracy” means essentially that you let NATO grab it, whatever it is, if it wants it. Like with a child, sort of.
You can understand why it takes a while for people to learn how to interpret those phrases. But you will notice nobody much trys to refute it when you say for example that NATO is about grabbing things, because it is, always was.
— Bemildred

Posted by: Bemildred | May 27 2023 11:48 utc | 231

Now that shadowbanned has arrived, that’s my cue to exit.
I was due to go to bed an hour ago.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:51 utc | 232

@Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:00 utc | 200
We know what some of them think.
See my Wars of Depopulation and Rushkoff, Douglas (2022). Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires. WM Norton and Co.

Posted by: Hermit | May 27 2023 12:02 utc | 233

Richard Steven Hack
Now that shadowbanned has arrived, that’s my cue to exit.
I was due to go to bed an hour ago.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:51 utc | 237
Lights out bathroom use only! Sorry couldn’t resist

Posted by: John2007 | May 27 2023 12:08 utc | 234

Serbia staunchly stays neutral. A week later, War Party launches another round of chaos in Kosovo and Methohija.
Ever since Serbia beat NATO militarily in 1999, resulting in UNSCR 1244; NATOs been feverishly trying to break international law in the area.

Posted by: Exile | May 27 2023 12:11 utc | 235

My guess is they are trying to send a message with these random terrorist attacks. The more land that is taken the harder it will be to defend. Regardless if Russia takes the whole of Ukraine or up to the River it will be terrorised for decades to come.
If they can terrorise Russians within Russia they’ll have no trouble terrorising what’s left of Ukraine. Russia would have to build border walls to keep them out.
Posted by: Derek Henry | May 26 2023 21:05 utc | 69
Bandera’s OUN was active until early 50’ in SouthEast Poland, Western Ukraine, possibly Southwest Belarus. An American general lately said that today’s Ukrainians are sons and grandsons of those Ukrainians who fought Stalin until early 50’. Maybe they imagined they fought Stalin but they were killing ordinary people, the whole families including 2 year old children. In at least one case I know of, they killed a 2 year old girl by impaling her live on a wooden fence slat. So yes, I could imagine that with some support there could terrorism for years.

Posted by: RB | May 27 2023 12:14 utc | 236

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 10:54 utc | 225
PeterAU1 generated a complete analysis of RF movements in the first phase of the SMO.
His analysis demonstrated the Russians prioritised the inspection/seizure of 404 bio weapons sites. This diffused Russian offensive momentum; as may be seen in the maps of the initial offensive, the Russians were making sprints in multiple directions to seize the bio labs before the evidence could be destroyed/removed. This diffusion of effort was not an optimum tactical approach which argues for schwerpunkt – a single fist of concentrated force.
Peter’s analysis is consistent with, and supports, my original inference the SMO was launched on a hasty basis due to concerns over 404 obtaining weapons of mass destruction as found in my post May 27 2023 2:42 utc | 140 describing the opening of the SMO as viewed on MoA.

Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 12:16 utc | 237

228 Don – you explained it well. People are looking for meaning and the west does not satisfy, intelligence and spirituality and common life or purpose

Posted by: Col from OZ | May 27 2023 12:23 utc | 238

Seems like Ukronazis going berserk again today (or normal day?). Danilov tweets that they will kill all Russians anywhere and everywhere and Podolyak saying they will remove Lukashenko and join Belarus into Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 12:38 utc | 239

My guess is they are trying to send a message with these random terrorist attacks. The more land that is taken the harder it will be to defend. Regardless if Russia takes the whole of Ukraine or up to the River it will be terrorised for decades to come.
If they can terrorise Russians within Russia they’ll have no trouble terrorising what’s left of Ukraine. Russia would have to build border walls to keep them out.
Posted by: Derek Henry | May 26 2023 21:05 utc | 69
Bandera’s OUN was active until early 50’ in SouthEast Poland, Western Ukraine, possibly Southwest Belarus. An American general lately said that today’s Ukrainians are sons and grandsons of those Ukrainians who fought Stalin until early 50’. Maybe they imagined they fought Stalin but they were killing ordinary people, the whole families including 2 year old children. In at least one case I know of, they killed a 2 year old girl by impaling her live on a wooden fence slat. So yes, I could imagine that with some support there could terrorism for years.
Posted by: RB | May 27 2023 12:14 utc | 241

Right now the big problem is the flow of weapons from the West. If Russia controls the Polish border, that will be blocked. Let’s see Poland launch kamikaze drones all the way to Pskov as just happened today when there is no Ukraine to hide behind.
The OUN kept the resistance going until the mid-1950s because back then you could hide very easily. Not the case today — drones will be patrolling the skies and all electronic communications will be monitored. So the fact that the problem is much bigger now (it was at most a million Banderites back then, now it’s an order of magnitude more) is offset by the much more efficient technical means of finding them. You can’t even hide partisans in the cellar anymore — you will be caught by the signature of how much more food you are suddenly buying compared to the usual.
It will be a problem for a few years, then it can be made to go away if the proper measures are taken.
The big challenge here is that the Kremlin still operates as if showing that “we’re not like that” is the most important thing. It is why Ukrainian leadership is still alive, why they haven’t even bombed the big Bandera statue in Lvov (I thought we were going to be denazifying;the places — why is that abomination still standing?), and many other such examples.
In order to finally root out the Banderites, they will have to be reintroduce the death penalty and carry out an awful lot of those. With the current boomer “happy grandpas” in power in the Kremlin I don’t see that happening…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 12:39 utc | 240

Seems like Ukronazis going berserk again today (or normal day?). Danilov tweets that they will kill all Russians anywhere and everywhere and Podolyak saying they will remove Lukashenko and join Belarus into Ukraine.
Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 12:38 utc | 244

Which once again raises the question why those genocidal maniacs are still alive.
Just f***ing do it, and in the most demonstrative way possible, e.g. have an Iskander land on their heads when they are giving some press conference, or something like that.
Send a message. To the Russian people before everyone else.
The mood towards the Kremlin in the Donbass has been not exactly positive for quite a while, but now it is turning very sour in Belgorod, Kursk and Bryansk too.
Yet the Kremlin is simultaneously silent and doesn’t lift a finger to stop the terror.
Which is playing directly in the hands of the West — that is exactly what they wanted.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 12:43 utc | 241

When inflation, the price of everything is running at 10-20% saying things like “recession” is absurd

Posted by: OhhCanada | May 27 2023 12:47 utc | 242

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 10:51 utc | 223
As I’ve said many times, it’s a physical impossibility for Russia to lose this war. Therefore getting to the Polish border is not a problem.
Irrespective of how many times it is repeated, it remains a non-sequiter.
You earlier assert that “the neo-cons have no off ramp. They will just keep dialling up the pressure.” This increase in pressure will continue until something breaks. How that breakage occurs, and which side is ultimately favoured, cannot yet be determined.
This conflict is existential for both the hegemon and Russia. There are a great many possible future paths; few have yet been foreclosed. And the ingenuity of human beings struggling for primacy and survival suggests the possibility of future paths we have not yet conceived of, let alone debated.
What you present is known as Gambler’s Fallacy. The present roll of the dice does not condition the future roll of the dice. Past actions do not conclusively condition the future. You agree with this position when you note that Soviet strategy in WWII does not condition the present conflict in 404.
In fact, if you review Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 10:54 utc | 225 you find a description of the immediate past which contradicts your own. We cannot, at this time, even come to an agreed appreciation of the immediate present.
Since that is the case, any conclusions predicated on our imperfect understanding of the present are likely to be incorrect. Making predictions is difficult. Especially predictions about the future
You agree with Martyanov. Wonderful.
Martyanov is not an actor in these events; he is an observer. And there is nothing to prioritize his observations over a multitude of other observers.
Getting to the Polish border may be a problem the RF seeks to avoid. It is possible for Russian objectives to be achieved without an advance to the Polish border. You continue to dictate future events over which you have no control and you continue to present as fact your suppositions, or estimates, of future probabilities while forcefully discounting other, equally valid estimates of the same probabilities.
This is, at best, unwise.

Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 12:55 utc | 243

Posted by: Col from OZ | May 27 2023 12:23 utc | 243
I think a separation between the corrupted institutions and the general populace needs to be made, before the validity of such statements can be assessed. Western governments are now unrepresentative of their societies social and financial priorities and have been relegated to the status of doubles and decoys, to hoodwink the public. We are in an abusive relationship with our governments and the race is on between the abused gaining self-awareness and the abuser destroying the victim’s ability to resist their assigned fate. Chilling to realise you are a throw away character in a dystopian story that is far from fiction.

Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 13:04 utc | 244

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 11:20 utc | 228
Great post. Thanks for the link.
If Hill is correct (and I think she is) we will be forced to jettison a great many pre-conceptions and fashion an entirely new vocabulary to comprehend the changed future.
Many states sympathise with the African leader who said you get a bridge from China, but a lecture from the US or the EU.

Is a wry one sentence example of such re-conceptualisation.

Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 13:05 utc | 245

“..In order to finally root out the Banderites, they will have to be reintroduce the death penalty and carry out an awful lot of those…” shadowbanned@245
The one thing that the Banderites are short of is martyrs. Their long existence has been one massacre, pogrom, after another. Their ‘resistance’ posture is not guerrilla warfare but serving foreigners ss Concentration Camp guards or paramilitary police.
Banderites are more likely to die from accidents that happened when they were beating old pawnbrokers to death, throwing babies over cliffs or torturing roadkill.
Your plan of supplying them with a generation of martyrs-killed by the Muscovites- would assist them . It would be more likely to multiply their numbers than eradicate them.

Posted by: bevin | May 27 2023 13:14 utc | 246

Berdyansk has been once again hit with at least two Storm Shadows/SCALP missiles.
Meanwhile Ukraine is asking for Taurus missiles with even longer range that can hit Moscow. As if anyone didn’t expect that once what should have been an absolutely red line — ALCMs — was not enforced.
Of course, the Kremlin is silent as usual.
But in reality this is a very serious problem — SCALP is not GPS guided but uses terrain scanning so it cannot be jammed, and because it flies very low and Russia doesn’t have full AWACS coverage, it can only be intercepted by short-range point defense as the missiles are often detected too late. But short-range point defense cannot be everywhere — there are only so many Pantsirs — plus they are now flying decoy missiles too. So you see daily hits on Mariupol and Berdyansk. Just like last summer when the HIMARS was first rolled out (which eventually resulted in serious territorial losses), but this time much deeper in the rear. Information is now controlled much more tightly on the Russian side too, so we don’t know what is being hit, but we have to assume that NATO intelligence is good and those hits hurt.
And yet the likes of The Duran are dismissing the SCALP as “another wonderweapon” that has been figured out, and, even though after more than a year of cheerleading people should have wised up to the reality of the situation, the fanboys are lapping it up…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:20 utc | 247

The one thing that the Banderites are short of is martyrs. Their long existence has been one massacre, pogrom, after another. Their ‘resistance’ posture is not guerrilla warfare but serving foreigners ss Concentration Camp guards or paramilitary police.
Posted by: bevin | May 27 2023 13:14 utc | 251

Martyrs die in highly visible ways.
Those who just disappear and are buried in unmarked graves are not remembered as martyrs.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:22 utc | 248

https://vk.com/wall701885602_74866

I have always been an ardent supporter of Transnistria and gave it all possible support. And without boasting, I can say that in the early 90s there was one of those who from Moscow provided him with maximum assistance. It was I who sent the famous Riga riot police there in the fall of 1991, who became the basis of the Dniester battalion, which played a big role in the defense and in the formation of the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic. It was on my recommendation that senior officers of the former Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Latvian SSR arrived in Tiraspol, who headed the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB of the republic there. And my merits were highly appreciated by the leadership of the PMR. In 2000, President I. Smirnov awarded me the Order of Honor by his decree.
And in the current most difficult situation, I am anxiously following what is happening in Pridnestrovie and around it. And I see with pain that as a result of mistakes, miscalculations, failures and, moreover, the betrayal of the leadership of the Russian Federation in relation to Pridnestrovie, it is practically doomed. Do you need evidence of betrayal? No one talks about it, but the prototype of the 2014 Minsk agreements on Donbass first appeared back in 2003 in the form of the infamous “Kozak Memorandum”, the main point of which was to push Transnistria back into Moldova through its “federalization”. Transnistria was a headache for both Yeltsin and Putin, and they did everything possible to get rid of it at any cost. Kozak and his company literally twisted the hands of the leadership of the PMR and, despite his categorical disagreement with the return to Moldova, through threats and ultimatums, forced the president of the PMR, I. Smirnov, to surrender and agree to the memorandum. But fortunately from signing the memorandum at the last moment for an unknown reasonPresident of Moldova Voronin refused. And this saved the independence of the PMR.
In the current military-political situation, Pridnestrovie is doomed. On the one hand, a powerful military grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been formed on the border with Ukraine, ready to invade the territory of the PMR. On the other hand, Moldova, or rather, Romania standing behind it, which sleep and see the return of part of the former Transnistria to Greater Romania. And they are opposed only by about one thousand seven hundred servicemen of the Operational Group of Russian Forces in the Transnistrian region of the Republic of Moldova (OGRV PRRM), of which 450 people are part of the peacekeeping contingent. According to the signed international agreements, the number of peacekeepers in Pridnestrovie can reach three thousand people. And Pridnestrovie regularly appeals to Russia with a request to increase the number of peacekeepers to this number, but the Russian Federation, as a rule, keeps silent about this. Russian servicemen are armed mainly with small arms and therefore do not have much firepower. In the event of armed aggression from Moldova (Romania) or Ukraine, they will only be able to hold out for a few hours.
The situation with the ammunition depots in Kolbasna should be clarified. There is a myth that allegedly a huge amount of ammunition and military equipment is stored there, which, in the event of an explosion, will destroy all life within a radius of up to 100 km. Actually it is not. In Kolbasnaya in 2000, 41,000 tons of ammunition were stored. For comparison, the warehouse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Balakleya in the Kharkiv region stored five times more, about 200 thousand tons. But most of the standard ammunition was taken to Russia in the 2000s and a lot of ammunition was destroyed on the spot. According to various estimates, about 10-15 thousand ammunition is now stored there, mostly substandard, with an expired shelf life. Moreover, mainly air bombs, which are hardly of interest to the Ukrainian army, which has a lot of air bombs in its warehouses due to a shortage of aircraft.
And in this regard, the bravura unsubstantiated statements of high-ranking Russian officials, who promise heavenly punishments to adversaries who dare to attack Pridnestrovie, cause indignation.
Here is today’s latest statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry on this matter: “No one should have any doubts that the Russian Armed Forces will adequately respond to the provocation of the Kiev regime, if any, and will ensure the protection of our compatriots, the Russian peacekeeping contingent, military personnel OGRF and military warehouses in the village of Kolbasna in Transnistria. Any actions that pose a threat to their security will be considered, in accordance with international law, as an attack on the Russian Federation,” Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation Mikhail Galuzin said.
The question arises: “And how, in the current situation, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can adequately respond to the provocations of the Kiev regime, in the event of an attack on the Russian Federation in Transnistria? Why do they not adequately respond to an attack on the Russian Federation in the Crimea, Donbass, Bryansk, Belgorod areas in other subjects of the Russian Federation?
It seems that our Foreign Ministry lives by the principle: “The main thing is to crow, but at least don’t dawn there!”

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:23 utc | 249

https://vk.com/wall701885602_74789

Russia does not plan to use nuclear weapons in connection with the situation around Ukraine, there have been no changes in doctrinal approaches on this issue – Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation Sergey
Ryabkov Federation in the field of nuclear deterrence”, put into effect by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 02.06.2020 No. 355, about which he speaks so categorically?
Unfortunately, it seems that he is not familiar with them. And this is surprising for a diplomat of this level.
We have to conduct educational programs for him.
According to Article 19 of these Fundamentals, the conditions determining the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation are:
a) the receipt of reliable information about the launch of ballistic missiles attacking the territories of the Russian Federation and (or) its allies;
b) the use by the enemy of nuclear weapons or other types of weapons of mass destruction in the territories of the Russian Federation and (or) its allies;
c) the impact of the enemy on critical state or military facilities of the Russian Federation, the disabling of whichwill lead to the disruption of the retaliatory actions of nuclear forces;
d) aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
And Mr. Ryabkov does not believe that attacks by Ukrainian drones on the residence of the President of the Russian Federation in the Kremlin fall under part “c” of this article, in which it is written in black and white: “the enemy’s impact on critical state or military facilities of the Russian Federation, which will lead to the disruption of the response of nuclear forces. Doesn’t the state residence of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief in the Kremlin belong to such objects? Can’t putting it out of commission lead to a disruption of the response actions of the nuclear forces of the Russian Federation?
Obviously, Mr. Ryabkov believes that such retaliatory actions are possible only if the Kremlin, along with its inhabitants, is destroyed to the ground by Ukrainian drone strikes or missiles?
In the same way, apparently, he does not believe that Ukrainian drone strikes on the strategic aviation airfield in Engels, where aircraft carriers of nuclear weapons are based and where they are stored, can lead to a disruption of the response of the Russian nuclear forces, in particular their aviation component. Now, if they destroyed the airfield along with strategic aircraft, as well as warehouses with nuclear weapons there, only then it would be possible to discuss the possibility of a nuclear strike on Ukraine.
And a bitter feeling is created that Mr. Ryabkov and his like-minded people, who are more than enough in the highest echelons of power, even in the event of a military defeat in Ukraine, which in the current situation of a “strange war” is by no means excluded and thus will be jeopardized the very existence of the Russian Federation, will stand to the end on their “doctrinal approaches”, that this threat is not a basis for applying paragraph “d” of the mentioned article – “aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is endangered”.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:27 utc | 250

https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/7757

UKRAINE IS TRANSFERING THE WAR TO THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA. PROBABLY, THIS IS THE OPTION OF THE APU’S OFFENSIVE
First, reconnaissance drones began to fly into our border areas. Then the shock drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine – they hit military facilities, warehouses and bases, and reconnaissance drones, meanwhile, flew deep into Russia.
Then rockets went into canonical territory (NATO promised not to allow such shooting at Russia), and attack drones, taking off in the central regions of Ukraine, are already hitting the Moscow Kremlin, strategic aviation bases, and various military facilities throughout the Western part of Rus’.
Well, now the direct seizure of territories has begun. Responsible persons claim: this is a sabotage raid. But stop! If we had not started to squeeze out these two companies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they would have remained, and even help would have come.
I have not discovered anything secret and secret? I do not write about the reaction of the military and, in general, the security forces and special services. I would like, of course, to highlight the juicy details to the people …
And now the seizure of Russian canonical territories is underway in the Bryansk region. It remains, quite calmly, to state that they are fighting against us for real. We somehow try to pretend that nothing serious is happening. Well, it doesn’t happen, and it doesn’t happen. Everything somehow disappears by itself, wins by itself.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:29 utc | 251

@Sushi #250
Yes, Hill is correct.
What is unusual here is that The Irish Times published it. The closed the comment section on opinion pieces some time ago – as a few of us contributed some ‘reality of the present’ which did not suit the hegemon’s propaganda.
That said,the journalist Paul Gillespie is former political editor and now also academic who contributed to Constitution Unit in UK on Northern Irish issues.
Geoffrey Roberts, Emeritus prof. of Soviet/Russian history at UCC has also managed to get one or two pieces published here. [Others all on hegemon message]
Roberts stuff here:
https://geoffreyroberts.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Ten-Top-Tips-.pdf
On ‘the present’ you are correct – it is a complex geopolitical/geoeconomic present and Ukraine is simply the site/window where one can gain a glimpse into its ongoing emergence …. imho, RF is following the dictates of a complex adaptive system – and doing so reasonably well … the hegemon appears to be unsure and is on more of a simplex trajectory which is out of date …

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 13:29 utc | 252

to Sushi | May 27 2023 12:16 utc | 242 ..
I also agree.
Still find it amazing that the “NATO” public don’t seem to regard the presence of numerous (specifically) US biological warfare development laboratories in various overseas countries (not just Ukraine) as sinister or even a bit odd.
Or has Western mass-media simply managed to ‘disapear’ their existence?

Posted by: Cynic | May 27 2023 13:50 utc | 253

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 13:29 utc | 257
Thanks for the GR link:
https://geoffreyroberts.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Ten-Top-Tips-.pdf
I hope b reads para 8 and takes delight in the fact that his bar is nominated as one of the best resorts during this time of troubles.
As for your last paragraph, I wouldn’t agree with me. The situation is too complex and too volatile. We are in an extremely dynamic phase wherein a prior world order will be displaced by an entirely new and unfamiliar one, the exact counters of which are barely discernible at this time. As is said: May you live in interesting times!!!
bun os cionn
slainte

Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 13:57 utc | 254

MODreport summary: Nato continues losing everywhere.

Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 14:06 utc | 255

Sushi | May 27 2023 3:16 utc | 148
Thank you for that succinct summary.
Arch Bungle | May 27 2023 3:29 utc | 149
Thank you for illustrating the unintended consequences that can arise from the scenario outlined by Sushi @3:16 utc. Robert Burns was a perceptive man ;o)
Sushi | May 27 2023 5:07 utc | 162, and
Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 5:21 utc | 168’s reply
Bullshit = Assumptions, or if you prefer Assumptions = Bullshit.
Assumption: a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
Petard: a kind of firework or small sapper device that explodes with a sharp report.
‘bullshit’ = petard-like expression (often or generally used by RSH)…
Melaleuca | May 27 2023 5:42 utc | 176, who mentioned Col, the farmer from NZ.
https://nzflocked.com is his website. Some interesting stuff.
Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:18 utc | 205
Very few at MoA want to ‘belittle [you] in [any] fashion, IMHO. However, no-one is immune from being occasionally hacked off when you go beyond your eminently reasoned contributions.
Just my 2d (tuppence).
Milites | May 27 2023 8:44 utc | 211, WRT ‘seven days to the Rhine, two weeks to the Channel’
I could not find any references to the ‘two weeks to the Channel’. As to the ‘seven days to the Rhine’; according to Wikipedia, ”The scenario for the war was NATO launching a nuclear attack on Polish and Czechoslovak cities in the Vistula river valley area in a first-strike scenario, which would prevent Warsaw Pact commanders from sending reinforcements to East Germany to forestall a possible NATO invasion of that country.” and entailed “A Soviet nuclear counter-strike would be launched against West Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and North-East Italy.” Apparently “Maps associated with the released plan show nuclear strikes in many NATO states, but exclude both France and the United Kingdom.”
Obviously Wikipedia does not have much of good reputation here due to ‘selective use of language’; as in significant omissions and/or insertions. Reputations are won and lost as a consequence…
Milites | May 27 2023 10:40 utc | 222 ,
Perhaps it’s ‘Narcissism’ rather than craving the absence of being human, which possibly leads to a lack of compassion, humaneness (?), connection-to-the-real-world-and-real-world-values. The imperial overlay of an imperial centre on vassal states seems to encourage the absence of inter-elite competition, which previously had used the internal cultural value fault lines in those states to attain office/influence. The new elite now performs for the imperium and not ‘the people’.
Another 2d (tuppence).
PS Russia and China are still oriented toward ‘the people’ despite the Cultural Indoctrination for over a century here in the Waste.
Special thanks to Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 10:54 utc | 225 for his input regarding the above post. Were you a surgeon?

Posted by: Lantern Dude | May 27 2023 14:07 utc | 256

From Ukraine Watch Telegram Channel…
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/3298
A table of Ukrainian losses is published by Prigozhin’s media. The result of the Wagner PMC’s work. Since March 2022 72,000 Ukrainian military personnel, 309 tanks, 566 IFVs, 1,134 armoured vehicles, 83 MLRS, 379 depots with BK and fuel and lubricants etc. have been destroyed.
I saved the table as a jpg. Posting it to my VK account.
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 14:08 utc | 257

shadowbanned | May 27 2023 12:43 utc | 246
*** The mood towards the Kremlin in the Donbass has been not exactly positive for quite a while, but now it is turning very sour in Belgorod, Kursk and Bryansk too.
Yet the Kremlin is simultaneously silent and doesn’t lift a finger to stop the terror.
Which is playing directly in the hands of the West — that is exactly what they wanted.***
Still would not be much surprised if the Moscow liberals don’t end up handing Donbas back to Kiev as part of some alleged “peace” treaty.
With or without a UN so-called “peacekeeping” force which might as well be in US uniform.
After all, there’s an Oligarchy to feed….
Note that Western propaganda now makes the occasional negative reference to Russia not actively intervening on behalf of Armenia against the Azeris … despite the corrupt shit ruling Armenia being Western owned.

Posted by: Cynic | May 27 2023 14:12 utc | 258

@suchi #259
Let’s agree with the great unknown Chinese sage that “we live in interesting times”.
Are you familiar with the useful terminology of Complex Adaptive Systems Theory? The concept of “Emergence” appears to be designed to capture much of the present – even if we cannot fully understand it – but we can be aware of it.
Complex Adaptive Systems [intro. 10 mins]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWhkUne8T68

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 14:22 utc | 259

Shadowbanned is right. It is time to take out the leadership and crush the Ukrainian state, once and for all. This should have been done first. I understand that Putin still wants to cement deals all over the world and solidify a Central Asian counterblock, and therefore he doesn’t want to look like a violent thug, but looking weak and indecisive is no good, either.
Every last death in Donbass, every last Russian soldier killed, every last building damage, is something Russia tolerated when it didn’t have to. That just makes me fucking sick.
Flatten Ukraine now. Destroy it. Burn it. Stop the needless bloodshed of your own people, Mr. Putin. They have put up with enough of this shit.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | May 27 2023 14:48 utc | 260

. . .from NYTimes, May 27
‘It’s Time’: Ukraine’s Top Commander Says Counteroffensive Is Imminent

A blunt statement, accompanied by a slickly produced video of Ukrainian troops preparing for battle, appeared designed to rally the nation and to spread anxiety among Russian forces.
Ukraine’s top military commander signaled on Saturday morning that the nation’s forces were ready to launch their long-anticipated counteroffensive following months of preparations, including recently stepped-up attacks on logistical targets as well as feints and disinformation intended to keep Russian forces on edge.
“It’s time to get back what’s ours,” Ukraine’s supreme military commander, Gen. Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, wrote in a statement. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 27 2023 14:49 utc | 261

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 27 2023 14:49 utc | 265
Biden is forcing them to attack.
Just in the past month, they were shaping the media field into “not expecting too much” and Ukraine’s embassador to UK was publicly whining on British TV that they will take too many losses in men and equipment, Zelensky was whining more weapons (so many of them blown up) etc.
Prerequisites are only very partial, but most likely Biden or UK has told them that they need to attack now, whatever the case.

Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 15:07 utc | 262

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | May 27 2023 14:48 utc | 265

Shadowbanned is right. It is time to take out the leadership and crush the Ukrainian state, once and for all. This should have been done first.

Taking out the ‘leadership’ will have no real effect.
They just get replaced with more empty meat puppets.
Who will now stand on the shoulders of martyrs …
Putin saw to the heart, where few others can see:
“Break the back of the Ukrainian military first. Leave the leadership alive to deal with the same.”
Once you break the back of the AFU, you break the strongest European army.
You break NATO.
A broken army led by humiliated leaders will stand in shame before NATO nations.
And those nations will hurl their anger against the entire leadership structure that brought them to that point.
And in their inward-turned anger they will forget about Russia and it’s people.
There will be no place for those leaders to run.
They won’t be able to stand on the shoulders of martyrs.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 27 2023 15:10 utc | 263

Bevin @151
By your discription they sound remarkably similar to Trump supporting white supremists, boogaloo boys and of course the klu Klux Klan.
So Thanks for reminding us all…
Don’t vote Biden, dont vote trump vote Putin.
T-shirts available at the door.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 27 2023 15:23 utc | 264

When Russia reaches the borders with Poland, all those western trained nazi will be relocated to England America and Europe.
Think about the consequences of that !
It would be an exelant weapon for Russia to employ/deploy.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 27 2023 15:35 utc | 265

Belgorod region was hit. Power lines broken, two “large enterprises” on fire.
Large explosion in Berdyansk

Posted by: rk | May 27 2023 15:40 utc | 266

Posted by: rk | May 27 2023 15:40 utc | 273
Nice if you could include links with your updates. I can usually find a report for the same event but not always.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 27 2023 15:50 utc | 267

first off – the name hijacking is annoying, but one can work around it i suppose…
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@ sushi… thanks for all your posts… i appreciate them and think you offer a lot of valid and insightful analysis… however i do find myself agreeing with @ Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 3:33 utc | 148 post in that although the beginning of this SMO did seem haphazard, i think it was rushed, but i believe russia had no choice and they were prepared to do what they did some time before the feb 22nd date – perhaps as much as 3 or more months before this date… obviously they would have had a plan with certain lines crossed, moving forward to the place they got to in feb 2022…
i am not fully in agreement with richard steven hack however… in a perfect world, we might think of a perfect scenario for the outcome to all this, but my motto is mostly ‘expect the unexpected’ here… no one can know how this will play out… while it is fun to speculate, we just can’t know… life is like that.. thanks again for your posts and for richards too… and for everyone else who is interested in having a conversation here, as opposed to not..
i have not read all the commentary.. too many posts and i can’t keep up…

Posted by: james | May 27 2023 16:10 utc | 268

@ Melaleuca | May 27 2023 4:23 utc | 153

What has Shoigu done, except sunbake bare-chested with Putin?

“Shoigu began his great career as head of Emercom, the Ministry of Emergency Situations. He built the massive capacity of that ministry to deal with fires, large scale terrorist bombings, floods, etc. Particularly, the airlift capabilites of Emercom where lessons learned that were post-2004 begun to be replicated in the Russian military.
We saw in 2014 and onward the massive military exercises whereby Eastern military districts airlifted in very rapid fashion men and machines to the West or South and so on with the West and Southern districts to the East. This demonstrated to the US and NATO that Russia could insert hundreds of thousands of men and their equipment from anywhere in Russia to anywhere in Russia (or the near abroad) in a snap of a few days. Such lift would take the US or NATO months to achieve. And Russia has done this many times in recent years, publicly demonstrating “Shoigu’s model” of massive airlift capability.
Thus, the modernization of the military was demonstrated in Emercom first, and that was Shoigu’s success.
The weapons development and success of the last ten years also shows a collaboration of Putin and Shoigu, as real combat and the necessity to test and improve weapons has been on-going in Donbass and Syria.
Shoigu is a man of great practicality. An extraordinary leader, creative and frugal who is also wise and now symbolic of the nation’s sovereignty and integral strength.”
This was a below-the-line comment made by Larchmonter in response to a 2018 interview of Shoigu following the successful intervention of Russian forces in Syria.

Posted by: cirsium | May 27 2023 16:10 utc | 269

“Russian forces easing attacks on Bakhmut in order to regroup, says Ukraine
Russian forces have temporarily eased their attacks on Bakhmut to regroup and strengthen their capabilities, a senior Ukrainian official has said.
In a statement on Telegram, Ukraine’s Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar said Russian forces have continued attacking but that “overall offensive activity has decreased”.
“Yesterday and today there have not been any active battles – neither in the city nor on the flanks,” she wrote, adding that Moscow’s troops were instead shelling the outskirts and approaches to Bakhmut.
“The decrease in the enemy’s offensive activity is due to the fact that troops are being replaced and regrouped,” Maliar said.
“The enemy is trying to strengthen its own capabilities.”
She added that Ukrainian troops “firmly hold” the heights overlooking Bakhmut from the north and south, as well as a portion of the outskirts, but have not advanced during the past two days to focus on “other tasks”.
It comes after Russia’s mercenary Wagner group started handing over its positions to regular Russian troops earlier this week.
👉Sky news
👉😂 Maybe they stopped attacking because there’s nothing to attack.”
@Masno / TG
Western MSM and Ukraine MOD are still holding Bakhmut – in their Hearts and Minds, like Zelensky said.

Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 16:31 utc | 270

anon2020 | May 27 2023 15:50 utc | 274
The Belgorod news is on tass.com/emergencies/1623913. The other explosion appeared as videos on multiple tg channels, nothing official that I can find, but it’s just a few hours old.

Posted by: rk | May 27 2023 16:33 utc | 271

Posted by: cirsium | May 27 2023 16:10 utc | 276
Whatever idiosyncrasies characterise my own intellectual existence, a lack of scepticism isn’t one of them.
Misreading Khakov, in spite of all indications at the time, was the work of vain fools, who then went on to have Aleksandr Lapin recognised as a Hero of the Russian Federation, simply to armour him against criticism that would otherwise have made its way to their own doorsteps.
You will not now find anyone who’ll even pretend that Lapin was a worthy recipient of that honour. Kadyrov, bless his naivety, assumed that a respected soldier speaking out on the manifest incompetencies of military commander would be sufficient for matter to be dealt with appropriately … Lapin was very shortly after accorded the single highest status in the honours system of the Russia Federation.
Lapin featured prominently in reports of the “successful” defeat of those raiders who hadn’t miraculously retreated unharmed back across the border while attack helicopters prowled around trying to work out what was going on.
Whatever Shoigu’s successes in precious roles, which we are in no position to verify for ourselves, all of the aforesaid is absolutely attributable to the “Shoigu Effect”. Preposterous accolades all round!

Posted by: anon2020 | May 27 2023 16:44 utc | 272

The one thing that the Banderites are short of is martyrs. Their long existence has been one massacre, pogrom, after another. Their ‘resistance’ posture is not guerrilla warfare but serving foreigners ss Concentration Camp guards or paramilitary police.
Posted by: bevin | May 27 2023 13:14 utc | 251
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Martyrs die in highly visible ways.
Those who just disappear and are buried in unmarked graves are not remembered as martyrs.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:22 utc | 251
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But you assume that you know who is buried in those unmarked graves. I suspect, but do not assume, that most of them are Russian speaking men and civilians, many of them shot in the back by Banderites.

Posted by: Ed | May 27 2023 17:10 utc | 273

https://ussanews.com/2023/05/25/us-has-been-preparing-ukrainian-counteroffensive-for-months-nuland/
Nuland says the Ukranian counter-offensive has been four months (so far) in the planning.
So what has been planned since the start of the war a year ago? And what has been planned since the Maidan coup in 2014, if not (doubtless) before?
Given that contingencies – setbacks – seem to have not been taken into account, this military campaign is being executed on the hoof. Incredible.

Posted by: horseguards | May 27 2023 17:16 utc | 274

@ Richard Steven Hack, §202:
No belittling. You´re one of the best in the bar.
Agree totally re: Medvedev and western Ukraine. It´s probably another bone to the western pundits to waste their time.
At the very least, Galicia and Rumania will be occupied but they may then be used as bargaining chips. Poland would get Galicia and Rumania Bessarabia on condition they turn over their Aegis Ashore systems, withdraw from NATO and forbid any foreign troops on their territories. They can stay in the EU if they want to continue wasting their citizens´ taxes on bloated, useless, expensive, obstructive bureaucracies. But no military involvement with the EU whatsoever. Strict neutrality only.
Not sure whether you´ll see this because the pub opening times seem rather arbitrary. Why not clock over to a new thread regularly, say every 300 posts?

Posted by: John Marks | May 27 2023 17:47 utc | 275

@West of England Andy | May 26 2023 21:18 utc | 74

“I think it was @PeterAU1 (who posts here) who did some sterling work correlating the initial Russian advances during the early days of the SMO with the known locations of bio-labs in eastern Ukraine. The conclusion being that the early advances weren’t necessarily about gaining territory or overthrowing the Kiev regime, more about securing, eliminating or otherwise neutralising these laboratories, including evidence-gathering.”

They were also going after the NPPs. Took control of Chernobyl long enough to do a thorough inspection, took and still hold Zap NNN, tried to take the South Ukraine NPP but failed due to lack of sufficient forces as they became over-extended and had to pull back. If I recall during the first month Russian troops even approached the university in the center of Kharkov where nuclear research is carried out.
I believe there were multiple objectives including those above which were at least partially successful- the land bridge to Crimea and unblocking the canal (check), forcing Kiev to the negotiating table (succeeded but negotiations failed), forcing Ukrainian forces away from the Donbass oblasts (working on that one).
………….
@Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 10:54 utc | 222
Yes, true, but it isn’t clear to me why the assembled troop strength was so low prior to the start of the SMO – unless they were hoping for some defections in the UAF – and why they didn’t reinforce the areas captured east and south of Kharkov and north of the Dnipr in Kherson when it was clear that insufficient forces to do this were deployed. I believe they would have liked to take Odessa but clearly had insufficient forces to do so while holding the land bridge. This suggests that the decision to proceed with a military operation was the choice of last resort, and perhaps there was a fear that a large mobilization effort would negate any advantage the uncertainty of their exact intentions could generate.

Posted by: the pessimist | May 27 2023 17:56 utc | 276

John Marks | May 27 2023 17:47 utc | 277

Why not clock over to a new thread regularly, say every 300 posts?

If such a rule was in place, would anybody want to write post #290 ? Or would they do it as part of a race towards the new thread, securing the low numbers there for themselves? I doubt that it would lead to better threads.
There have been a number of posts about changing the MoA policies, but none that convinced me, with one exception: It is a good idea to protect against identity stealing trolls by adding a small hash to the “posted by” line, generated from a passphrase that must be supplied on every posting. The “trolls” would become visible to everyone by their inability to reproduce the hash.
A minor proposal, by myself, is the following one: upon deleting a post, the system should produce a tombstone post, saying something like: post 343: deleted. This would help to keep the numeration of all other posts unchanged and would preserve everybody’s references to each other’s posts.

Posted by: grunzt | May 27 2023 18:51 utc | 277

Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 13:04 utc | 245 responding to comment by Col from OZ | May 27 2023 12:23 utc | 243 :
Governments ..[no longer represent].. the [citizens they govern]
The race is on between the abused [citizens] gaining self-awareness and the abuser destroying the victim’s ability to resist their assigned fate.
<=the nation state system produces an oligarch owned, corporate managed, politician executed overbearing restraint on life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Julian Assange made that point very clear to the whole of the western world.

Posted by: snake | May 27 2023 19:37 utc | 278

Posted by: John Marks | May 27 2023 17:47 utc | 276
As it happens, since I posted a lot last night, I did see your post.
What you suggest may be possible. But there’s one problem: Is Poland “agreement-capable”, given their rulers’ dislike for Russia? What guarantee does Russia really have that Poland would stay out of NATO and insure the Aegis Ashore stays out?
That will always be the rub from now on: since Minsk was a sham, not to mention the various strategic arms treaties the US broke, Russia simply cannot trust the West. If there is a major change in ideology in the western capitals, then, perhaps – but not now.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 22:30 utc | 279

#107- Richard..yes DoS,CONgress is full of Straussians/khazars/neocons/russophobes to the bone..unless they will be forced to departure there will not be peace with Russia or whole world they… can not live without war and revolution(color these days)…… it took even Stalin and his NKVD boys 13 yrs to deal with revolutionary beautie-LEV DAVIDOVICH BRONSTEIN also know as Trotsky to put him “in the place” in 1940 in the MEXICO….he surly did not stop after been forced leave Soviet Union…

Posted by: sejmon | May 27 2023 23:11 utc | 280

Where is Senor Gonzales?

Posted by: OmDeva | May 28 2023 0:45 utc | 281

Gonzalo Lira 🤔

Posted by: OmDeva | May 28 2023 1:42 utc | 282

look

Posted by: MD Arman | May 28 2023 17:10 utc | 283

Re: Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 27 2023 6:44 utc | 185

And Young has just predicted Russian taking Donbas and we all know what he thinks this precipitates. Truly frightening times and I’m surprising myself by maintaining a good humoured outlook.

At the rate Russia are going it will take another 3-4 years for them to take Donbas.
There will most likely be a new President by then who is likely to be less bellicose than Mad Biden.

Posted by: Julian | May 29 2023 3:33 utc | 284

Re: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:18 utc | 201

In any event, if Russia does as he says, they will have lost the war. You just don’t hand over territory to your enemies off-hand for emotional (“we don’t like western Ukrainians because they don’t like us”) reasons. That makes zero sense.
If Medvedev thinks that solution is a good idea, he really hasn’t thought it through. Which, as I’ve said before, would not surprise me. I simply assume Putin and most of the rest of his team aren’t that dumb.
of course, as I’ve also said repeatedly, I could be wrong about how smart Putin and his team are. I simply assume that if I can figure out it’s a bad idea, so can Putin.
Everyone will now jump in and belittle me in some fashion, as usual.

Well yes – when was Western Ukraine – Lemberg – EVER a part of Russia?!?
Be specific with the dates.

Posted by: Julian | May 29 2023 3:41 utc | 285

To: Sushi | May 27 2023 12:55 utc
To bad that the west rolled the dice BEFORE the 404 conflict started, thus ‘the fuse was burning’ and the west had to act within that timeline.
The problem is that those in control of 404 made major miscalculations and Russia in the beginning did so to re-enforce ‘the controllers’ beliefs, so as not to alter the power of ‘that BOMB’ that had been set.. Russia even offered up evidence that could have lessened that ‘BOMB’, but the evidence was summarily rejected. Russian MoD had this calculated to a certainty, seemingly not quite up to the reality that they faced, but it was good enough and Russian MoD has no intention of doing much more than bleeding the West until the West self-destructs. I call the ‘BOMB’ the Truth Bomb, but a notable Doctor that has possession of many of the relevant facts calls it ‘The Time of Tears’.. Sort of like, Can’t Cure Stupid.

Posted by: T S | May 31 2023 16:03 utc | 286