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May 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-126
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Norwegian | May 27 2023 7:18 utc | 191 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:18 utc | 201 Posted by: mo3.1 | May 27 2023 7:22 utc | 192 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:20 utc | 202 RIA News Posted by: la bouteille | May 27 2023 8:29 utc | 203 May be Zalhuzny has the keys for the counteroffensive in his back pocket. Posted by: auximenes | May 27 2023 8:36 utc | 204 @ Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:00 utc | 201 Posted by: natokraine | May 27 2023 8:36 utc | 205 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 3:33 utc | 150 Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 8:44 utc | 206 Posted by: Exile | May 27 2023 5:43 utc | 177 Posted by: Paul GV | May 27 2023 8:50 utc | 207 Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 8:44 utc | 212 Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 8:56 utc | 208 Re: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:18 utc | 206 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 27 2023 9:06 utc | 209 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:12 utc | 205 Posted by: mo3.1 | May 27 2023 9:12 utc | 210 Posted by: Exile | May 27 2023 5:43 utc | 177 Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 9:17 utc | 211 Why did Chancellor Scholz travel to Korea in such a provocative manner? Posted by: mo3.1 | May 27 2023 9:19 utc | 212 Posted by: mo3.1 | May 27 2023 9:19 utc | 218 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 9:45 utc | 213 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:18 utc | 205 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 9:53 utc | 214 Pentagon Generals totally blown away by the sheer brilliance of Kiev‘s super genius use of the Patriot AD missiles ( sic) Posted by: Exile | May 27 2023 10:00 utc | 215 Zalhuzny Posted by: Melaleuca | May 27 2023 10:05 utc | 216 Posted by: natokraine | May 27 2023 8:36 utc | 210 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 10:19 utc | 217 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:00 utc | 200 Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 10:40 utc | 218 Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 8:44 utc | 211 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 10:51 utc | 219 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 9:53 utc | 220 Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 10:53 utc | 220 ‘The Russian General Staff doesn’t do “hasty”.’ True, but they do historically plan to execute operations, of this sort, with great haste on timetables that are highly vulnerable to any organised resistance. The shambolic scenes and composition of columns being ambushed suggests a failed coup-de-main, as a result of a successful Western intel operation to paint a false picture of the situation on the ground, setting them up for attacks by units using tactics they’d practiced for eight years and using weapons perfectly suited for the task. So no, the timing was not right, it was a shambles with failed air-assaults, units running out of fuel, AD columns being ambushed and the BTG’s Achilles heel (lack of dismounts) brutally punished. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 10:54 utc | 221 Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 8:56 utc | 212 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 10:58 utc | 222 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 27 2023 9:06 utc | 213 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:14 utc | 223 Cracks appearing in the European MSM… Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 11:20 utc | 224 Somewhere in a particularly American-mindset everything is a prelude to using nuclear weapons. It must be because USA is the only nation to have used them and it did it far from home on much the same people as they stuck in concentration camps in California………… Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 11:24 utc | 225 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 27 2023 9:53 utc | 218 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:29 utc | 226 Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 10:53 utc | 224 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:38 utc | 227
Correct. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 11:41 utc | 228
There is a scenario in which Poland and Romania receive a strategic strike (i.e. not just on military installations), then NATO backs off (and falls apart in the process) because nobody wants to die, and deadly intent has been demonstrated beyond any doubt, and that is how Russia’s demands for a security buffer are achieved, by simply erasing what was in that territory. And maybe it ends there. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 11:47 utc | 229 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 10:54 utc | 225 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:47 utc | 230 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:38 utc | 231 Posted by: Bemildred | May 27 2023 11:48 utc | 231 Now that shadowbanned has arrived, that’s my cue to exit. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 11:51 utc | 232 @Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:00 utc | 200 Posted by: Hermit | May 27 2023 12:02 utc | 233 Richard Steven Hack Posted by: John2007 | May 27 2023 12:08 utc | 234 Serbia staunchly stays neutral. A week later, War Party launches another round of chaos in Kosovo and Methohija. Posted by: Exile | May 27 2023 12:11 utc | 235 My guess is they are trying to send a message with these random terrorist attacks. The more land that is taken the harder it will be to defend. Regardless if Russia takes the whole of Ukraine or up to the River it will be terrorised for decades to come. Posted by: RB | May 27 2023 12:14 utc | 236 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 10:54 utc | 225 Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 12:16 utc | 237 228 Don – you explained it well. People are looking for meaning and the west does not satisfy, intelligence and spirituality and common life or purpose Posted by: Col from OZ | May 27 2023 12:23 utc | 238 Seems like Ukronazis going berserk again today (or normal day?). Danilov tweets that they will kill all Russians anywhere and everywhere and Podolyak saying they will remove Lukashenko and join Belarus into Ukraine. Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 12:38 utc | 239
Right now the big problem is the flow of weapons from the West. If Russia controls the Polish border, that will be blocked. Let’s see Poland launch kamikaze drones all the way to Pskov as just happened today when there is no Ukraine to hide behind. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 12:39 utc | 240
Which once again raises the question why those genocidal maniacs are still alive. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 12:43 utc | 241 When inflation, the price of everything is running at 10-20% saying things like “recession” is absurd Posted by: OhhCanada | May 27 2023 12:47 utc | 242 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 10:51 utc | 223 Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 12:55 utc | 243 Posted by: Col from OZ | May 27 2023 12:23 utc | 243 Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 13:04 utc | 244 Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 11:20 utc | 228 Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 13:05 utc | 245 “..In order to finally root out the Banderites, they will have to be reintroduce the death penalty and carry out an awful lot of those…” shadowbanned@245 Posted by: bevin | May 27 2023 13:14 utc | 246 Berdyansk has been once again hit with at least two Storm Shadows/SCALP missiles. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:20 utc | 247
Martyrs die in highly visible ways. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:22 utc | 248 https://vk.com/wall701885602_74866
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:23 utc | 249 https://vk.com/wall701885602_74789
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:27 utc | 250 https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/7757
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 27 2023 13:29 utc | 251 @Sushi #250 Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 13:29 utc | 252 to Sushi | May 27 2023 12:16 utc | 242 .. Posted by: Cynic | May 27 2023 13:50 utc | 253 Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 13:29 utc | 257 Posted by: Sushi | May 27 2023 13:57 utc | 254 MODreport summary: Nato continues losing everywhere. Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 14:06 utc | 255 Sushi | May 27 2023 3:16 utc | 148 Posted by: Lantern Dude | May 27 2023 14:07 utc | 256 From Ukraine Watch Telegram Channel… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 27 2023 14:08 utc | 257 shadowbanned | May 27 2023 12:43 utc | 246 Posted by: Cynic | May 27 2023 14:12 utc | 258 @suchi #259 Posted by: Don Firineach | May 27 2023 14:22 utc | 259 Shadowbanned is right. It is time to take out the leadership and crush the Ukrainian state, once and for all. This should have been done first. I understand that Putin still wants to cement deals all over the world and solidify a Central Asian counterblock, and therefore he doesn’t want to look like a violent thug, but looking weak and indecisive is no good, either. Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | May 27 2023 14:48 utc | 260 . . .from NYTimes, May 27
Posted by: Don Bacon | May 27 2023 14:49 utc | 261 Posted by: Don Bacon | May 27 2023 14:49 utc | 265 Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 15:07 utc | 262 Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | May 27 2023 14:48 utc | 265
Taking out the ‘leadership’ will have no real effect. Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 27 2023 15:10 utc | 263 Bevin @151 Posted by: Mark2 | May 27 2023 15:23 utc | 264 When Russia reaches the borders with Poland, all those western trained nazi will be relocated to England America and Europe. Posted by: Mark2 | May 27 2023 15:35 utc | 265 Belgorod region was hit. Power lines broken, two “large enterprises” on fire. Posted by: rk | May 27 2023 15:40 utc | 266 Posted by: rk | May 27 2023 15:40 utc | 273 Posted by: anon2020 | May 27 2023 15:50 utc | 267 first off – the name hijacking is annoying, but one can work around it i suppose… Posted by: james | May 27 2023 16:10 utc | 268 @ Melaleuca | May 27 2023 4:23 utc | 153
“Shoigu began his great career as head of Emercom, the Ministry of Emergency Situations. He built the massive capacity of that ministry to deal with fires, large scale terrorist bombings, floods, etc. Particularly, the airlift capabilites of Emercom where lessons learned that were post-2004 begun to be replicated in the Russian military. Posted by: cirsium | May 27 2023 16:10 utc | 269 “Russian forces easing attacks on Bakhmut in order to regroup, says Ukraine Posted by: unimperator | May 27 2023 16:31 utc | 270 anon2020 | May 27 2023 15:50 utc | 274 Posted by: rk | May 27 2023 16:33 utc | 271 Posted by: cirsium | May 27 2023 16:10 utc | 276 Posted by: anon2020 | May 27 2023 16:44 utc | 272 The one thing that the Banderites are short of is martyrs. Their long existence has been one massacre, pogrom, after another. Their ‘resistance’ posture is not guerrilla warfare but serving foreigners ss Concentration Camp guards or paramilitary police. Posted by: Ed | May 27 2023 17:10 utc | 273 https://ussanews.com/2023/05/25/us-has-been-preparing-ukrainian-counteroffensive-for-months-nuland/ Posted by: horseguards | May 27 2023 17:16 utc | 274 @ Richard Steven Hack, §202: Posted by: John Marks | May 27 2023 17:47 utc | 275 @West of England Andy | May 26 2023 21:18 utc | 74
They were also going after the NPPs. Took control of Chernobyl long enough to do a thorough inspection, took and still hold Zap NNN, tried to take the South Ukraine NPP but failed due to lack of sufficient forces as they became over-extended and had to pull back. If I recall during the first month Russian troops even approached the university in the center of Kharkov where nuclear research is carried out. Posted by: the pessimist | May 27 2023 17:56 utc | 276 John Marks | May 27 2023 17:47 utc | 277
If such a rule was in place, would anybody want to write post #290 ? Or would they do it as part of a race towards the new thread, securing the low numbers there for themselves? I doubt that it would lead to better threads. Posted by: grunzt | May 27 2023 18:51 utc | 277 Posted by: Milites | May 27 2023 13:04 utc | 245 responding to comment by Col from OZ | May 27 2023 12:23 utc | 243 : Posted by: snake | May 27 2023 19:37 utc | 278 Posted by: John Marks | May 27 2023 17:47 utc | 276 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 22:30 utc | 279 #107- Richard..yes DoS,CONgress is full of Straussians/khazars/neocons/russophobes to the bone..unless they will be forced to departure there will not be peace with Russia or whole world they… can not live without war and revolution(color these days)…… it took even Stalin and his NKVD boys 13 yrs to deal with revolutionary beautie-LEV DAVIDOVICH BRONSTEIN also know as Trotsky to put him “in the place” in 1940 in the MEXICO….he surly did not stop after been forced leave Soviet Union… Re: Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 27 2023 6:44 utc | 185
At the rate Russia are going it will take another 3-4 years for them to take Donbas. Posted by: Julian | May 29 2023 3:33 utc | 284 Re: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2023 8:18 utc | 201
Well yes – when was Western Ukraine – Lemberg – EVER a part of Russia?!? Posted by: Julian | May 29 2023 3:41 utc | 285 To: Sushi | May 27 2023 12:55 utc Posted by: T S | May 31 2023 16:03 utc | 286 |
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