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May 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-126
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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First of two SitRep’s for today As reported by Ukraine Watch Telegram Channel…. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 26 2023 16:50 utc | 2 Does anyone else think that the ad-hoc Ukrainian attacks, using drones, missiles and raiding parties were all meant to occur as coordinated actions before/during a major ground offensive and we’re part of the much promised ‘terror campaign’. Now, with no synchronisation, to events on the ground, they just appear to have been activated as desperate attempts to wrest the narrative away from that of the fall of Bakhmut, further reinforcing just how feeble Ukraine’s prosecution of the war has become and how much damage Russia must inflicted on their logistical infrastructure; possibly 3 billion dollars if the accounting tricks by the Pentagon are anything to go by. Posted by: Milites | May 26 2023 16:58 utc | 3 Empire is completely insane. Polish retired general Waldemar Skrzypczak stated that his country should help dissidents in Belarus in case of “uprisings”. If they think they can do colour revolutions or more so stated insurgencies in a now nuclear state thats just madness. Posted by: hankster | May 26 2023 17:01 utc | 4 What’s all this talk of the Swedes sending Grippens to the Ukraine? Posted by: jpc | May 26 2023 17:01 utc | 5 Posted by: jpc | May 26 2023 17:05 utc | 6 Re: Posted by: Milites | May 26 2023 16:58 utc | 3 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 26 2023 17:07 utc | 7 Re: Posted by: Milites | May 26 2023 16:58 utc | 3 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 26 2023 17:17 utc | 9 @ Posted by: Milites | May 26 2023 16:58 utc | 3 Posted by: fnord | May 26 2023 17:17 utc | 10 Milites @ 3 Posted by: young | May 26 2023 17:30 utc | 11 why IPs from Iran are banned from accessing your website? Posted by: meme | May 26 2023 17:32 utc | 12 The Russians are now on a much more aggressive schedule forced upon them by the West’s continual escalation of the war. They want to take the remainder and to secure the rest of the Donbas as soon as possible. Posted by: Lurker | May 26 2023 17:38 utc | 13 I believe that for as long as there are Ukrainians willing to go the the front, Russia will be willing to kill them. Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 26 2023 17:41 utc | 14 Candace Owens has figured out the next steps for both 习 (at 1:53) and Путин (at 2:50): Candace Owens Podcast Posted by: Peter b | May 26 2023 17:49 utc | 15 RUSSIAN TAKING OF THE DONBAS: Posted by: young | May 26 2023 17:56 utc | 16 What’s all this talk of the Swedes sending Grippens to the Ukraine? Posted by: Drake Schroeder | May 26 2023 18:03 utc | 17 Some of you say that Ukrainian moral is still very high. Posted by: srbin | May 26 2023 18:03 utc | 18 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 26 2023 17:17 utc | 10 Posted by: Milites | May 26 2023 18:04 utc | 19 why IPs from Iran are banned from accessing your website? Posted by: Zet | May 26 2023 18:17 utc | 20 This website is hosted by a U.S. company (pair.com) which is probably just following sanctions and therefore doesn’t allow access by Iranian IPs. Posted by: meme | May 26 2023 18:22 utc | 21 Posted by: Milites | May 26 2023 16:58 utc | 3 Posted by: unimperator | May 26 2023 18:25 utc | 22 So much information here but I’m hoping for more! Posted by: English Outsider | May 26 2023 18:43 utc | 23 it says Posted by: Zet | May 26 2023 18:46 utc | 24 @ English Outsider | May 26 2023 18:43 utc | 24 Posted by: james | May 26 2023 18:53 utc | 25 Milites @ 3
This would far and away be the best outcome for everyone – the Russians of course, but for all the press ganged nations of the EU and Japan, China, the USA – its people anyway, the entire world, and last and foremost for Ukraine itself. Which is why it won’t happen, but hey, I’m open for a surprise. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 26 2023 19:00 utc | 26 Jacq @ 27 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 26 2023 19:05 utc | 27 Quite a lengthy statement from the Russian Defence Ministry here: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12468459@egNews
A timely reminder, perhaps, that there is more to the SMO than the hurly-burly of offensives, counter-offensives and incursions. Posted by: West of England Andy | May 26 2023 19:06 utc | 28 I did read somewhere that a Ukr Captain shot his CO when commanded to front line on a suicidal mission. So you may be right in more soldier revolts coming. Posted by: 600w | May 26 2023 19:08 utc | 29 Will @1 Posted by: lulu | May 26 2023 19:08 utc | 30
I posted this late last night on a previous thread which I came across on Donbass Devushka’s telegram channel. If true (and DD herself is cautious regarding its authenticity), and if its the same incident to which you refer it might be indicative of the growing sentiment within Ukrainian forces.
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | May 26 2023 19:14 utc | 31 No-one is talking about how Wagner might be pulling out of the SloMO, meaning the SloMO is going to go even slower. And Prigozhin is now suggesting that the SloMO has backfired because the Ukraine now has more tanks and capable troops than previously. He is probably referring to the green Ukrainian troops thrown into the front lines who survive through luck or inherent ability thus becoming more capable in the process. Posted by: gT | May 26 2023 19:23 utc | 32 Here’s what to know about the so called russian rebels in belograd. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 26 2023 19:26 utc | 33 DPR says Mariupol was attacked tonight with “two long range missiles supplied by NATO”. Doesn’t say more Posted by: rk | May 26 2023 19:31 utc | 34 Some of you say that Ukrainian moral is still very high. Posted by: 600w | May 26 2023 19:33 utc | 35 Posted by: Jacq | May 26 2023 18:59 utc | 27 Posted by: Milites | May 26 2023 19:35 utc | 36 ‘Certain’ not ‘curtains’ (hate spell check). Though perhaps some spies disguise themselves as drapers. Posted by: Milites | May 26 2023 19:39 utc | 37
Posted by: rk | May 26 2023 19:31 utc | 36
So we can infer a subtle difference between ‘launched an attack which was intercepted’ vs ‘launched an attack which was successful’, wouldn’t you agree? Posted by: West of England Andy | May 26 2023 19:40 utc | 38 @38 this blog is definitely and closely monitored. It’s a great way to stove pipe ideas INTO the spies. It can’t be helped they have to read it, and an idea can’t be destroyed even if you destroy everyone who thinks it, it can spontaneously regenerate. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 26 2023 19:44 utc | 39 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 26 2023 19:26 utc | 35 Posted by: unimperator | May 26 2023 19:47 utc | 40 Posted by: Jacq | May 26 2023 18:59 utc | 27 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 26 2023 19:50 utc | 41 ‘Certain’ not ‘curtains’ (hate spell check). Though perhaps some spies disguise themselves as drapers. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 26 2023 19:51 utc | 42 West of England Andy | May 26 2023 19:40 utc | 40 Posted by: rk | May 26 2023 19:55 utc | 43 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 26 2023 19:50 utc | 43
decodes as: “My aunt is a windmill”… Posted by: West of England Andy | May 26 2023 19:57 utc | 44 Dima says tonight that a big chunk of Black See is now controlled by Ukraine via cheap suicide drones. Posted by: srbin | May 26 2023 19:57 utc | 45 young | May 26 2023 17:30 utc | 11 Posted by: Cynic | May 26 2023 19:58 utc | 46 Dima says tonight that a big chunk of Black See is now controlled by Ukraine via cheap suicide drones. Posted by: 600w | May 26 2023 20:06 utc | 47 srbin | May 26 2023 19:57 utc | 47 Posted by: Cynic | May 26 2023 20:08 utc | 48 I think we must be objective. Posted by: srbin | May 26 2023 20:11 utc | 49 srbin | May 26 2023 20:11 utc | 51 Posted by: Cynic | May 26 2023 20:14 utc | 50
Posted by: srbin | May 26 2023 19:57 utc | 47 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 26 2023 20:15 utc | 51 Cynic @52: “Then kill them.” Posted by: William Gruff | May 26 2023 20:17 utc | 52 Dima says tonight that a big chunk of Black See is now controlled by Ukraine via cheap suicide drones.
I do not know. I was just shocked by listening to him. Posted by: srbin | May 26 2023 20:22 utc | 53 If you people can’t tell by now there’s no hope for you. The war is over. Zelensky won’t go back to Ukraine and no one will step up to take his place. So we’ll see some new peoples republics emerge this summer and maybe a separatist movement in the west. Good times. Posted by: Lem Samuels | May 26 2023 20:24 utc | 54 Posted by: Jacq | May 26 2023 18:59 utc | 27 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 26 2023 20:32 utc | 55 With thanks to Alex Christoforou for bringing this to my attention today. Apparently a Danish top diplomat is urging Danes to go on holiday in Ukraine to show support for the people of Ukraine. My comment: Posted by: DR-Montreal | May 26 2023 20:45 utc | 56 Posted by: DR-Montreal | May 26 2023 20:45 utc | 58 Posted by: Mike R | May 26 2023 20:54 utc | 57 Reporter Rudenko V: Posted by: MiniMO | May 26 2023 20:58 utc | 58 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 26 2023 19:06 utc | 30 Posted by: Merlin2 | May 26 2023 20:58 utc | 59 Jacq 27 Posted by: Mike R | May 26 2023 20:59 utc | 60 Posted by: English Outsider | May 26 2023 18:43 utc | 24 Posted by: Lex | May 26 2023 21:00 utc | 61 I did read somewhere that a Ukr Captain shot his CO when commanded to front line on a suicidal mission. So you may be right in more soldier revolts coming. Posted by: Ed | May 26 2023 21:01 utc | 62 Russia has not shown enough strength, cunning and initiative still. Pro-Russia people in Ukraine are disappointed so far: Posted by: MiniMO | May 26 2023 21:01 utc | 63 West of england andy no. 46 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 26 2023 21:02 utc | 64 Numerous NATO Mistakes Forced Kyiv to Abandon the Counter Offensive – [BORZZIKMAN’s Analysis] Posted by: unimperator | May 26 2023 21:03 utc | 65 Does anyone else think that the ad-hoc Ukrainian attacks, using drones, missiles and raiding parties were all meant to occur as coordinated actions before/during a major ground offensive and we’re part of the much promised ‘terror campaign’. Posted by: Lex | May 26 2023 21:05 utc | 66 My guess is they are trying to send a message with these random terrorist attacks. The more land that is taken the harder it will be to defend. Regardless if Russia takes the whole of Ukraine or up to the River it will be terrorised for decades to come. Posted by: Derek Henry | May 26 2023 21:05 utc | 67 Posted by: DR-Montreal | May 26 2023 20:45 utc | 58 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 26 2023 21:08 utc | 68 If they can terrorise Russians within Russia they’ll have no trouble terrorising what’s left of Ukraine. Russia would have to build border walls to keep them out. Posted by: unimperator | May 26 2023 21:11 utc | 69 Since except for one person, everyone ignored the two important posts I made from late last night, I’m reposting them here…
I would add that failing that approach, the neocons would also like a “long war” in which they bleed Russia down to eventual collapse. That plan isn’t going to work, either, despite how many MoA posters think it will. Which is why the F-16 BS is so annoying.
In reality, that’s what the neocons intend – after they’ve bled Russia dry. Despite the fact that it can’t and won’t work. And again, that’s the threat – that they just don’t get it. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 26 2023 21:13 utc | 70 Posted by: Jacq | May 26 2023 21:10 utc | 71 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 26 2023 21:14 utc | 71 If they can terrorise Russians within Russia they’ll have no trouble terrorising what’s left of Ukraine. Russia would have to build border walls to keep them out. Posted by: MiniMo | May 26 2023 21:15 utc | 72 From #64. Could be Russian propaganda, like I said I saw it on You-Tube, but here it is on internet. American officers in country in Vietnam were fragged for a lot less. Posted by: Ed | May 26 2023 21:16 utc | 73 Posted by: Merlin2 | May 26 2023 20:58 utc | 61 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 26 2023 21:18 utc | 74 Ukrainians from the streets are being forced into military slavery, – Ukrainian prisoner of war Posted by: unimperator | May 26 2023 21:38 utc | 75 Yes, the Nato trained neo-nazis need to either flee or die before SMO goals can be achieved. They can’t be integrated into society or there will be permanently high risk of terrorism. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 26 2023 21:40 utc | 76 Posted by: Jacq | May 26 2023 18:59 utc | 27 Posted by: Suresh | May 26 2023 21:47 utc | 77 Lurker # 17:38 utc | 13
Correction: can I suggest – “Z” is for Zelenskyy, the greatest Russian asset Western money can buy. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 26 2023 22:00 utc | 78 Does anyone else think that the ad-hoc Ukrainian attacks, using drones, missiles and raiding parties were all meant to occur as coordinated actions before/during a major ground offensive and we’re part of the much promised ‘terror campaign’. Posted by: Dan Farrand | May 26 2023 22:02 utc | 79 @ Posted by: Jacq | May 26 2023 18:59 utc | 27 Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 26 2023 22:04 utc | 80 UKRAINE ORGAN HARVESTING SCANDAL DEEPENS Posted by: unimperator | May 26 2023 22:06 utc | 81 Posted by: srbin | May 26 2023 20:22 utc | 55 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 26 2023 22:07 utc | 82 @47 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 26 2023 22:08 utc | 83 Posted by: srbin | May 26 2023 19:57 utc | 47 Posted by: The Dolphin | May 26 2023 22:09 utc | 84 Suresh | May 26 2023 21:47 utc | 80
Évidemment, il a enlevé la selle ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | May 26 2023 22:10 utc | 85 Jacq #18:59 utc | 27
:)) Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 26 2023 22:11 utc | 86 Posted by: Ing. Smrkovsky | May 26 2023 22:01 utc | 83 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 26 2023 22:16 utc | 87 Here is one source incl. Video: Posted by: The Dolphin | May 26 2023 22:20 utc | 88 @ Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | May 26 2023 22:10 utc | 90 Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 26 2023 22:23 utc | 89 Dan Farrand #22:02 utc | 84
Russia is waiting on Ukraine offensive??? Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 26 2023 22:28 utc | 90 @27, et al, b, you’ve been outed! Now we know that you’re in a cubicle next to the “trolls” at some Langley cube farm. Shit our wires are crossed. My code phrase is “do you see the red queen”. Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 26 2023 22:34 utc | 91 Suresh # 21:47 utc | 80 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 26 2023 22:35 utc | 92 “The real threat, again, is that the neocons have no clue that they’re starting WWIII.” Posted by: Cerena | May 26 2023 22:46 utc | 93 BroncoBilly | May 26 2023 22:23 utc | 94
Purple mother, green elephant.
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | May 26 2023 22:47 utc | 94 Boris Johnson was parachuted in the dark of the Night into Texas. Upon landing he was immediately apprehended and asked his name. “Boris” said Boris. “I am here to encourage Red-Blooded American Texans to support more squandering of American Tax Dollars, more worn-out military junk, along with other Wonder Weapons, so that the other “Boris’s, gee, not me, I’m the British Boris” can target practice for the NATO army shakedown. Posted by: kupkee | May 26 2023 23:00 utc | 95 Posted by: Milites | May 26 2023 18:04 utc | 19 Posted by: young | May 26 2023 23:09 utc | 96 Do “memes” or Hollywood plot habits become reality to many people? Congress was ready to recognize John Wayne years ago as a hero – until it was pointed out that he portrayed heroes, not one in real life. Posted by: Eighthman | May 26 2023 23:14 utc | 97 from Newsweek Posted by: Don Bacon | May 26 2023 23:18 utc | 98 Milites@3 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 26 2023 23:21 utc | 99 Here is one source incl. Video: Posted by: Ed | May 26 2023 23:27 utc | 100 |
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