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May 21, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-122
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UWDude # 8:06 utc | 339
Now we are there. He cant just let NATO take everything, so he has to risk the chance of nuclear war, hope NATO crumbles under its own lies before then, but if not, be ready to deflect 95 percent of the nukes, and incinerate all NATO.
Thank you for your heroic persistence. Drinks on me.
Yes the NATO scoundrels and warmongers just kept creeping forward, undermining, colour revolutioning, niggling away. THEY WILL NEVER STOP.
The establishment englanders are utterly despicable racist slobs, the EU establishment a bunch of pathetic wannabe’s and all they do is gouge and attack and plunder. The east has had enough and is now strong and united enough to push back. With any luck the end result of this Eastern stand will see NATO severely disabled and too impaired to be any more trouble for a century if ever.
Hopefully the western minor vassal countries will be able to get out from under the yoke of neoliberal oligarchy and negotiate a path of multilateral and multicultural trade and engagement.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2023 8:45 utc | 301
Start any delivered F16 from Poland or Romania to fight in the Ukraine..these airfields are targets!
mo3.1 | May 22 2023 8:03 utc | 337
They’ve been doing it since the beginning with Migs and helicopters. How do you think they’ve managed to send hundreds of Russian planes and helicopters from all over the world until now? Borders are wide open and civilian airports in Ukr were not destroyed. Despite the millions of targets that guy with glasses recites every day, important ones are never hit. Airports ok, fuel ok, energy ok, pipes ok, most factories ok. There’s no war in Ukr, only in Donbass, spreading to border regions and Crimea, Engels and so on. Sometimes you get to see a useful target hit, like Khmelnytsky. But that was just around $500m it seems, that’s nothing. $1bn patriot is money? Bulgaria can pay for it and won’t even notice.
Posted by: rk | May 22 2023 8:47 utc | 302
Scaremongering…..
Under that radiation cloud (where ever it is) ther will be nursing mothers about to feed their new born baby breast milk. The mother will have been drinking cows milk, that dairy cow will have been grazing over contaminated grass. Each point in that chain further concentrates the toxicity of that Eglish DU contamination.
And don’t lets forget the unborn foetus.
But the western media dogs that they are, say nothing. Polatitans like wise.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 22 2023 8:48 utc | 303
What does young, entertaining, pre-president Zelensky say about Russians and Ukrainians?
That they are brothers… one people, one blood.
Ukrainians should be allowed to speak Russian. Language should not divide.
A coupla hundred million USD in his pocket and, his opinion has changed…
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/5481
It was these sentiments, and a seemingly sincere campaign for peace in Donbass and god relations with Russia that got Zelensky elected
Posted by: Melaleuca | May 22 2023 8:51 utc | 304
In 2014, Some time after Europe capitulated to sanctioning Russia over MH17 – perhaps a couple of weeks perhaps a month, The Donbass militias fortunes changed. They began creating cauldrons and wiping out Ukie groupings. A few specialists, some Russian ISR perhaps. I think it was at that time Russia took control of the situation. It was around that time the removal of Girkin/Strelkov occurred and new political leads took office in Luhansk and Donetsk. Which led to Minsk I.
Wagner say they started in Poposna (I forget the correct spelling of the town) but I suspect they started in those weeks after the MH17 sanctions.
The Ukies get restless again and so the battle of Debeltseve. The Minsk II meeting occurred when Debeltseve was nearly surrounded. I think that meeting went into the early hours of the morning, Poroshenko only signing up to Minsk II when the last road out of Debeltseve was physical cut.
That village that was taken to cut the road. The Ukies had been dug in there. A camera man got the early in the morning to interview those that took it. I always remember the man he interviewed and how they had gone about taking those position. Very much special forces. Perhaps Russia military, perhaps Wagner, but certainly not citizen militia. My impression was that Putin was taking no chances in getting Porky to sign the Minsk II agreement.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 22 2023 8:55 utc | 305
Sushi #3:46 utc | 247
I have seen the Odessa slaughter (abbreviated) video on telegram recently. my bad for not tagging it. There was a memorial date replay so if you can be certain of a date for each event then you can narrow search considerably. They do not foget, they do not forgive and rightly so.
Maybe request same to iEarlgrey could get the archive material.
The Russian prosecutors will certainly have that material evidence.
I am not at all practiced at searching telegram.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2023 8:56 utc | 306
Posted by: julianmacfarlane | May 22 2023 6:56 utc | 314
The Russian attack was not “hasty”; it had been planned
I disagree.
While I am certain the Russians had a plan, I believe they were triggered to act by knowledge of two Turkish Airbus cargo planes delivering drones to Lvov. I happened to be browsing MoA the night of the SMO launch and a poster reposted this information based on ADS-B tracking and Telegram posts.
A subsequent set of posts detailed the fact that these drones were fitted with mechanisms permitting the aerial dispersal of biological toxins or radiological isotopes i.e. an expedient means of creating a weapon of mass destruction. This followed on after Z’s request to the recent Berlin conference seeking nuclear weapons.
Within an hour of this messaging there were reposts from Telegram of RF having entered the Donbass. Concerned I now had a front row seat to the start of WWIII I stayed on MoA until 4 or 5 am.
The poster with Telegram access and translation capability was being impersonated by a troll. The situation became very confused. I had been present since the start of the thread and was able to discern between the false and genuine article while new arrivals lacked that ability.
There were many complaints over name hi-jacking, b came in the next morning and deleted the majority of the posts, both false and genuine and inadvertently deleted a valuable historical record.
While the RF certainly had contingency plans in place and were undoubtedly contemplating intervention, I believe the threat posed by the new drones resulted in peremptory RF action in response. Hence my description of a “hasty attack.” Baud in one of his articles on the start echoes the hasty implementation but appears unaware of the drone trigger.
Posted by: Sushi | May 22 2023 8:57 utc | 307
Sushi @323
Did you see this video of the Ukro-Nazi airstrike on the civil administration building in Lugansk? That video scarred me for life, though I saw a subtitled version on LiveLeak (now disappeared… big surprise).
Never forget Inna Kukuruza and her coworkers.
Watch that video, trolls, to see why some of us despise you so much. You trolls have Inna’s blood on your hands.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 9:02 utc | 309
Putting the fusion into your fish n chips
A massive fish die off (including beavers) in rivers in the proximity to the depleted uranium depot explosion….
Posted by: Melaleuca | May 22 2023 8:22 utc | 346
IF true then there should be high quality videos / photos posted on the internet soon. I honestly hope there were no DU munitions stored there.
Posted by: Ian2 | May 22 2023 9:04 utc | 310
My impression was that Putin was taking no chances in getting Porky to sign the Minsk II agreement.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 22 2023 8:55 utc | 353
I remember that the Donbas militia was close to taking Mariupol and apparently Putin stopped them. I guess to get the Minsk agreement.
Posted by: RB | May 22 2023 9:14 utc | 311
Sushi | May 22 2023 8:57 utc | 355
That is interesting. Further confirming my earlier research that Russia went in hard targeting biolabs and nuke sites. Early pro Russia maps were exceptional deceiving simply painting large areas in broad swathes of red. Pro Ukraine maps on the other hand gave lines of advance. West of Kherson, line of advance was directly to South Ukraine NPP. They were stopped on the seventh day about twenty kilometers from the site.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 22 2023 9:18 utc | 312
and apparently Putin stopped them.
Posted by: RB | May 22 2023 9:14 utc | 360
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Trainable moment. No returns.
Posted by: too scents | May 22 2023 9:21 utc | 313
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 6:26 utc | 308
“The disappearance of Zaluzhny, the further escalation of the conflict by London..”
Thanks for posting this, it’s an interesting possibility to see it as a US-UK struggle of influence. I have doubts about the UK having any real agency in this high-stakes conflict. Much more likely, the UK is tasked escalate, assist fabricating lies and generally do lots of menial dirty work, ultimately provoke as much as possible a Russia that won’t yet retaliate directly.
Black Adder, the timeless classic, should illustrate the situation well: grey, sour-faced apparatchiks receive instructions (from the US) and carry them out. Above them a collection of bumbling, ineffectual toffs that fancy themselves steering at the helm of the British Empire.
Only the figure of Baldrick, the working class man, seems an inaccurate portray of a decent and deprived rather than stupid class. Likely a concession to the middle class audience of this TV series which sees their lives an awkward destiny sandwiched between idiots above and idiots below, resigned forever to picking up the pieces.
Posted by: Leser | May 22 2023 9:22 utc | 314
RB | May 22 2023 9:14 utc | 360
I remember seeing a Soviet saying somewhere. Ten years of negotiations are better than one day of war.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 22 2023 9:22 utc | 315
William Gruff @ 359
Well done William it’s good to see you’v joined antifa (short for anti facism)
We need to brush up on a few points though.
Firstly are you sincere with this comment or is it just an empty ploy/trick.
Secound I watch you.
I note you always punch down not up.
To me that says bully and coward.
You wanna talk ?
Cool and calm ? I’m up for that.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 22 2023 9:23 utc | 316
If Internet and blogs and such had existed in WOII I wonder how many thousands of trolls would have gone in overdrive: “oh the Russians retreated”, “oh, Stalin made a mistake” etc etc. Bloodthirsty thugs that don’t mind if half a million young men suffer horrific deaths. And for those who say that a nuclear war can’t happen: what would Hitler have chosen, if Germany had developped its own atomic bomb? And is there really no politician in the USA who slightly resembles Hitler in his or her thinking? No, not in the whole senate…? I’m sure Dante’s hell has one circle for the trolls and another one for Western politicians; someone has to update his Inferno.
Posted by: Anthony | May 22 2023 9:28 utc | 318
Sushi #8:57 utc | 355
Thank you and that is my recall as well of that time. The triggers were multiple and Russia was outraged at Turkey’s ignorant compliance to supply Bayraktars with fitting for aerosol bio weapons dispersal. Every country in that region was aware of the shenanigans in US run Georgia and Ukraine biolabs as it had been ongoing for years. You can be sure the Russian intelligence apparatus was watching and recording.
Zelensky’s announcement of the nuclear weapons development just added panic fuel to the fire as every nuclear regulator and scientist likely was aware of the huge stash of refined fuel rod product in Ukraine. This too is yet to be the subject of an IAEA report as to it location and security.
Over this last month the Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov made a thinly veiled threat of nuclear consequences poisoning all the lands of Donbass or some such. Apologies for not linking it but not a priority right now. Easy to find for sure.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2023 9:29 utc | 319
Like the reversed double lightning flash motif badge to be seen top of a Guardian ‘live’ on Ukraine this morning.
🙂
Posted by: DilNir | May 22 2023 9:37 utc | 321
Posted by: Wank Badger | May 22 2023 9:25 utc | 366
Nothing is happening, chill. Why are westerners so easy to panic? Unless you’re ukroturd tryin to create narrative.
Posted by: Boo | May 22 2023 9:45 utc | 322
Looks like partisan activity but I’m sure it’ll be stamped out soon enough
Posted by: Wank Badger | May 22 2023 9:47 utc | 323
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 9:02 utc | 357
Why is this sort of thing still going on?
https://t.me/llordofwar/143514
⚡️Grayvoronovsky district of the Belogorod region has been under heavy shelling for more than an hour. Several villages were immediately attacked by artillery. One civilian is reported to have died.
The video shows a view from a Ukrainian drone of the shelled border villages.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/65382
❗️🇷🇺 In the Belgorod region, an explosive device was dropped from a UAV on the administration building of a rural settlement in the village of Golovchino, – Governor Gladkov
As a result of dropping an explosive device from a drone, the roof of the building caught fire. According to preliminary information, there were no casualties.
It is one thing to claim that not everywhere can be protected all the time and that attackers can shoot and scoot but, seriously, heavy shelling for over an hour and a UA surveillance drone floating around to admire its own handiwork is incontrovertible proof that *NO* defensive measures are in place.
None at all.
Posted by: anon2020 | May 22 2023 9:48 utc | 324
Mark2 | May 22 2023 9:34 utc | 369
The trolls are not intellectual giants. Most people when swatting a fly swat down.
MH17 and my own government put up a monuments to its victims. Australians sacrificed for British and American interests. Since then I watched our anglo war on the world. Be it the civilians and fighters of Donbass and Russia or those that died in Syria fighting the anglo proxies….
Terrorists and extremists promoted as freedom fighters….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 22 2023 9:49 utc | 325
“Ukraine war: Bakhmut ‘not occupied’ by Russia, says defiant Zelensky”:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65662563
LOL.
Zelensky could claim he has cured cancer or that he can bench 300lbs and the BBC et al. would print it, without a moment’s hesitation.
Soviet era Pravda, 21C Western style:
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/05/21/the-western-media-disinformation-campaign-fall-of-bakhmut-a-case-in-point/
Posted by: Et Tu | May 22 2023 9:53 utc | 326
Yesterday’s stuffing of office telegram channels about the downed Su-35 and today’s hysteria over the capture of the Belgorod region confirms only one thing.
Podolyak and the gang received instructions from Yermak to urgently litter the information background in order to shift the focus from the surrender of the Bakhmut fort.
The loss of Bakhmut is a personal image blow for Zelensky and Yermak, who sacrificed a wide offensive in order to hold the “fortress”, but the efforts and costs did not justify themselves.
Office workers are afraid that they will be asked for this failure. Here they gave their garbage heaps to arrange a clowning and distract the masses.
The losses in Bakhmut of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were huge – everyone who was in this meat grinder knows this.
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 9:54 utc | 327
Mark2 @365
I always punch up, and that includes at delusional middle-class fantasy dwellers like men pretending to be women. Those are “up” from where I sit. Few working class people have the time or wealth to live in those weird fantasies. They have work to do.
You are ignorant about what is “up and down”.
You cannot even tell up from down, so how could we have an intelligent conversation?
Fascists have always been my mortal enemy. The difference between me and you is that I know what a fascist actually is. Fascists are not just people I don’t like, or people who make fun of the fact I drive a shitty car, or who ridicule my wearing worn out clothes, or say mean things about me online.
We cannot talk because you do not know what a fascist is and you are unwilling to learn. You are unwilling to learn because you see yourself in the real definition of fascist. After seeing yourself you flee back to your empty definition of fascists being politically incorrect working class men. We lack a common vocabulary, so communication is impossible.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 9:56 utc | 328
Posted by: anon2020 | May 22 2023 9:48 utc | 373
‘Knock down ginger’ retaliation for the nightly missile rain from Russia.
Of course it would be completely unnecessary if they really shot down all that were fired.
Posted by: ChatNPC | May 22 2023 9:57 utc | 329
For several hours now, the Ukrainian armed forces have been shelling the Belgorod region. Villages in the Graivoron district have been targeted.
In addition, the Kuibyshev district of Donetsk was shelled.
UPD. According to Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov, there were no casualties.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/47233
A fierce battle with a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group is underway on the border of Belgorod Region near the village of Dronovka, according to a Shot source.
Military equipment has been deployed on both sides and several drones have been spotted in the sky. An air defence system is operating.
#source
UPD: according to other sources, there is no battle near Dronovka. This information is still to be confirmed.
UPD 2: Governor Gladkov stressed that local residents may have received false messages of evacuations, which are in fact an information attack aimed at creating panic in the region.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/47234
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 9:59 utc | 330
🇷🇺🇺🇦 Khokhol is attempting to attack in the direction of Grayvoron, Belgorod Region. First, he fired at our territory with mortars, now a tank platoon and a couple of motorized infantry platoons are trying to demonstrate an offensive.
The purpose of all this is not only to create panic in us and deceive us with the direction of the strike, but also to fill the internal information press with positive news for the internal consumer, otherwise after Bakhmut and Zaluzny, the Ukrainians are in frustrated feelings.
Now the attacking armored group of the Ukrainian will be destroyed, or it will quickly retreat itself, photographing the border crossing along the way, then passing it all off as a mighty victory.
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 10:00 utc | 331
“Why is this sort of thing still going on?”
Because Ukrainians are Nazi terrorists who target civilians and are backed by Europe and the United States in that terrorism. What is difficult to understand about that?
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 10:05 utc | 332
Peter @ 374
This is how the elite devide and rule.
People are either anti-facist or facist
That fact transcends borders or political partys.
Plus the terrorists and extremists are western govenment. And the people they financaly back. And the tools they put in front of the camera…
Zelinsky, azov banderites.
To say anti facists are terrorist and extremists requires mental gymnastics to an extent to couse a sereous confusion. As we see on this blog. And will see throughout America UK Europe ect.
Up is now down black is now white.
According to the elites.
Anyway all the best.
It’s off topic.
I’ll keep a look on the open thread here on.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 22 2023 10:12 utc | 333
mjc@322 That wasn’t a ‘line of inquiry’ that was statements. A line of inquiry is a question or series of questions.
“To say [anti-fa] are terrorist and extremists requires…”
It requires knowing what fascists really are. They are middle-class thugs who attack working class people. That’s what anti-fa are too. They are the same.
Don’t be confused by names. Look at the substance.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 10:18 utc | 335
Posted by: Mark2 | May 22 2023 9:23 utc | 365
THAT is NOT Mark2. Fucking name-stealing infiltrators trying to start shit between us.
Posted by: Featherless | May 22 2023 10:21 utc | 337
More attacks in and around Belgorod. Obviously these are provocations (UA forces publishing their own drone footage to rub it in) but what is the n’th dimensional play in mentally handicapped preparedness?
Should defense of this border area be given over to Wagner?
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/31551
An active shootout is reported on the border of the Belgorod region near the village of Dronovka. Presumably, there is a battle with the Ukrainian DRG.
Dronovka is located ~25 km from the place where the Grayvoron checkpoint was shelled and an unknown tank crossed it from the border.
There is no information from the authorities on these incidents yet.
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/31550
👆👉‼️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Loudly on the border with the Belgorod region
An air alert was announced in the region, earlier the governor of the Belgorod region Gladkov reported on the operation of air defense systems and the downing of Ukrainian drones. According to local residents, this situation is an ordinary case in the border zone.
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/31546
‼️ The enemy strikes at the Belgorod region
Since early morning, Ukrainian militants have been shelling the village of Zamostye in the Graivoronsky district of the Belgorod region.
“Our air defense system worked. Part of the missile fell into the garden of a private residential household in the village of Antonovka. Explosives and operational services are on site, starting to neutralize,” said Vyacheslav Gladkov, Governor of the Belgorod Region.
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/31542
❗️ The drone of the Armed Forces of Ukraine captures how a Ukrainian tank drives into the territory of the Graivoron checkpoint in the Belgorod region from the Ukrainian border.
Posted by: anon2020 | May 22 2023 10:22 utc | 338
Cool story, tim.
Posted by: UWDude | May 22 2023 7:48 utc | 329
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🙂 I am “on your side” in that I am pro Russia, I just find personal arguments annoying and unhelpful. I am sure you find me annoying and unhelpful too 😀 but hey, it’s an open bar.
Posted by: Tim | May 22 2023 10:27 utc | 339
Mark2 | May 22 2023 10:12 utc | 383
Perhaps the world needs to be looked at in a different way. We see extremism on one hand always attacking the enemies of the so called west. The American Empire. We see this woke disease much promoted in the west. Both Russia and China are conservative yet progressive. Constantly tuning the mix of private enterprise and socialism.
Much depends on your definition of fascism. In the west we have oligarchy where corporations control governments. Exceptionally corrupt with brainwashed populations.
Ukraine is nazism backed by the US west. No different to ISIS or AQ. That is extremism.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 22 2023 10:29 utc | 340
@ Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 10:13 utc | 384
LOL
NAFO in da house?
Trolls are usually easy to spot, they lack the brains to produce arguments and humorous comebacks.
Posted by: Et Tu | May 22 2023 10:30 utc | 341
The Wall Street Journal stops short of backing a two state solution when pitching a security model like Israel’s for Ukraine.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-aid-ukraine-in-fight-against-russia-allies-look-to-security-model-like-israels-8a05f0e5
Posted by: too scents | May 22 2023 10:42 utc | 342
In Belgorod, there was an attack on a checkpoint with casualties among Russian border guards.
As the source explains, the tasks of the Office of the President are pursued by several:
The first, of course, is to divert attention from the loss of Bakhmut. This attack costs nothing to Bankova, and so far does not give any results, but they are trying to make it the main one in order to hide the loss of Bakhmut.
Second, an attempt to force the Russians to strengthen these flanks by transferring additional forces. Blur the opponent’s strength.
The third is probing the red lines and demonstrating to the West that it is possible to give Kiev the green light to attack the territory of the Russian Federation, that nothing bad will happen (allegedly the Russian Federation does not use tactical nuclear weapons against the OP).
We previously insided that Zelensky is considering such a plan if the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stalls and the OP is driven into a corner and Zelensky will be forced to raise the stakes.
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 10:45 utc | 343
Mark2 | May 22 2023 10:12 utc | 383
People are either anti-facist or facist
Exhausted idioms are the daily bread of the confused. Here in Italy, a lot of folks have divined our present footing as such…
there are actually two kinds of fascists,
fascists and anti-fascists.
Posted by: john | May 22 2023 10:45 utc | 344
warning for people drinking when reading this, dont spit your drink up your nose.
the United States can act as a guarantor of Ukraine’s security on the Israeli model, – The Wall Street Journal
Posted by: hankster | May 22 2023 10:46 utc | 345
“I don’t think anyone actually has a problem with you loving cock. You’re just an unusual guy who likes being worked over with a big dick”
William Gruff @155, this permanent obsession of yours about male sexual organs is very telling. It’s not the flex that you think it is. Find help.
Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | May 22 2023 10:49 utc | 346
You’re mistaken about the way my mind works. It seems my style of inquiry raises hackles here. I’ll return to lurking, with thanks to those who gave useful answers.
Posted by: mjc | May 22 2023 7:33 utc | 322
I note that mjc posts “anonomously” ie: doesn’t use his real identity.
I also note that he twists historical facts, via lies and outright denial.
I also note that he seemingly is ignorant of current events..
I welcome his return to the rat hole out of which he emerged.
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 22 2023 10:51 utc | 347
Featherless | May 22 2023 10:21 utc | 388
I think you are right.
And Et Tu | May 22 2023 10:30 utc | 393 “NAFO in da house?” For sure.
b said he had stopped policing the comment section as threads were growing so large….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 22 2023 10:52 utc | 348
Gruff…
Your an American, right ?
Your people are losing, right ?
Your a trump supporting make America great again, white supremist, bogaloo boy who hates blacks, the homeless on your streets, refugees comming from south America hates anyone weaker than you.
Becouse your a coward, you get off on violence.
If you walk like a facist talk like a facist.
Your a facist.
You been outed now get back in ya nazi closet faggot.
I gave you a chance at sensible dialogue.
The only good facist is a dead fascist.
Now get out of my sight.
I’m done with you.
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Mark2 @ 391 was not me as far I can see the rest are gen mark2 and proud of it.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 22 2023 11:23 utc | 349
@ mjc
What polite and meticulous care you take to search for evidence of the RF “kindling” Ukrainian resistance to the barrels of jet-fuel dumped and ignited by the American Colonial coup and the behavior of the Americans and their agents after that coup.
But, playing along, would not the RF have “kindled” Sebastopol, Mariupol and Odessa first and foremost?
Posted by: John Kennard | May 22 2023 11:32 utc | 350
For a good time head over to Times Radio where you’ll hear professorial cope of comedic proportions:
Bakhmut has fallen to Russia but the Ukrainian counter-offensive is ‘days away’ | Michael Clarke
The good professor informs us that while the Russians hold the urban center of Bakhmut and have pushed the Ukrainians towards the outskirts, the Ukrainians are not surrounded and are still fighting FOR Bakhmut if not IN Bakhmut.
I’ve also learned that if you don’t want to call something “symbolic” you can all it “totemic”, as in:
Bakhmut is not a “strategic target” but it has become a “totemic target”.
(Aside: You know why the English language is the most powerful tongue on Earth? Because no other language offers you the same capacity to lie and distort the truth …)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2023 11:35 utc | 351
Has anyone here spoken at length about Kim Dotcom and his new whistleblower on the Nordstream bombings? All recently on Spuniknews ? About the simulator he worked on ?
The claim is that the US did it and it has had the tech to do so since 2001 at least. I have never believed the Norwegians or Ukros or Poles did it, yacht or banana-boat or whatever. My belief is that the UK/US did it , but even if the Poles,Norwegians or Ukraine did it, it was still greenlighted by the US so they are the key individuals to punish.
Posted by: Boy | May 22 2023 11:38 utc | 352
The copium has arrived.
Must be the strong stuff.
Posted by: The Accountant | May 22 2023 11:39 utc | 353
“Even though you are as transparent as a fart, the stench of your troll ass smears up your every post with greasy steaming shart.”
MAGNIFICENT.
Posted by: Jonathan W | May 22 2023 11:40 utc | 354
MSM now reporting about NS that Ukraine did it. What does that tell you?
Posted by: Jonathan W | May 22 2023 11:42 utc | 355
Posted by: Jonathan W | May 22 2023 11:42 utc | 408
LOL. figures. it was the Swedes! it was the Norwegians! it was an underground race of mole people tunneling up from the center of the earth!
Posted by: pretzelattack | May 22 2023 11:45 utc | 357
@ UWDude | May 22 2023 5:38 utc | 290
At least they were polite . . . .
I consider Venezuela the warmup to the present American Colonial operation, with regard to the “Mighty Wurlitzer’s” “Great Venezuela Hate” and the utter subservience of the UN and secondary bodies–remember how the General Assembly demanded that Venezuela appoint the trained US agent Sr. Juan Guaido President?
All real eye-openers.
Posted by: John Kennard | May 22 2023 11:52 utc | 358
G-7 coffee table talks are over, and where is Zelensky? Still living in a French plane?
Posted by: ostro | May 22 2023 11:53 utc | 359
Our source in the OP said that there would be no real entry of the military into the Belgorod region, and the whole show was arranged for one reason, in order to shift the focus from the fall of Bakhmut.
TsIPSO was instructed to throw news stories all week to cover up the topic of the fall of Bakhmut and the failure of the counteroffensive on the flanks.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17907
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 11:57 utc | 360
The operation to attack the Belgorod region is commanded by Budanov, and the group has several dozen infantry fighting vehicles and tanks.
The purpose of the operation is psychological in nature, after shelling the border checkpoint and recording beautiful videos, everyone was ordered to return back to Kharkov.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17912
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 11:59 utc | 361
@Posted by: John Kennard | May 22 2023 11:52 utc | 411
Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela, Hong Kong, Iran, Belarus. It has just been nonstop for years. The beginning of this was the “Arab spring,” when the USA first tested out their social media revolution capabilities. At that point, every country should have banned these American social media companies and the American NGOs that train these revolutionary sleeper cells, but for some reason that didn’t happen.
Posted by: FVK | May 22 2023 12:06 utc | 362
“Is the Republican impeachment team moving ahead with the Biden Crime Family agenda – or has it ‘slipped away’ for now.
So many questions, so little popcorn. sigh.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2023 3:26 utc | 246”
—I imagine that Team Red is pacing its investigations to climax sometime between the end of the Team Blue primary season and the first Tuesday in November 2024.
It’s not about justice; it’s not about saving the world from nuclear war. It’s about beating Team Blue.
Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2023 12:09 utc | 363
Russian MOD says they have foiled Ukrainian counter-attacks from the directions of Konstantinovka, Ivanovske and Bogdanovka, which essentially means all the UAF attacks on an 180 degree sector west of Bakhmut, including in front of Yahidne and the water reservoir.
Also another S-300 system destroyed. Fifteen units of Uragan and Himars MLRS and Shadow storm intercepted.
Posted by: unimperator | May 22 2023 12:15 utc | 364
Posted by: The Accountant | May 22 2023 11:39 utc | 405
The copium has arrived.
Ahhh, the old “But at what cost …?” template.
I swear western media jobs are going to be the first to get eaten by the a.i revolution …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2023 12:17 utc | 365
The design of the F-16 is fundamentally flawed because of that massive engine intake just inches off the ground. It acts like a vacuum cleaner to hover in foreign objects and debris into the engine.
You know, the thing that will be going full-throttle as the poor unfortunate pilot attempts to get it into the air before it eats something it can’t digest.
Mark my words: Within days of the first confirmed F-16 sortie there will be drone footage of F-16 jets furiously burning away at the edge of some straight stretch of highway in some backwater part of Ukraine.
The commentariat will nod and say “Hmmm, S-300 missile, I’ll wager.”
But the truth will be simpler: a tree branch, or a lump of concrete.
The F-16 is probably the worst fighter jet the west can send to this conflict.
Other than, of course, the F-35.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 22 2023 12:18 utc | 366
@Mark2 #401
repeating empty political slogans to dehumanize and nullify any who disagrees with your world view and then concluding that they should be executed for the crime of disagreeing with you. perhaps this is parody? but if you are hunting for fascists your best weapon would be a mirror.
Posted by: SillySeason | May 22 2023 12:20 utc | 367
I actually was rather content with what NATO did way back then in 1999.
Posted by: whirlX | May 21 2023 20:08 utc | 128
I cannot believe that you believe this BS story. I thought you were more sensible.
Posted by: RB | May 22 2023 6:03 utc | 297
How is that for a BS story:
In 1999 Russia set the trap there for NATO in quietly allowing and agreeing to OAF (Operation Allied Force).
RF was content with that “humanitarian intervention” on many levels.
Everyone knew it was absolutely illegal and had long and far-reaching consequences, painting NATO as a possible permanent enemy in the eyes of RF and in the whole Russian zone of influence.
So, bombing of Serbia and Montenegro was a poisoned apple offering for, amongst the other things, dragging Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland into the NATO that very year.
As clumsy as it was and pretty badly executed, OAF brought the forced peace, combined with a lot of pressure on Serbs by RF.
A bad peace, but that allowed RF’s political focus shifting elsewhere, more inwards. And that helped oust corrupt Yeltzin’s deep state and his crooked entourage.
That chain of events later helped Putin in reforming the RF to what it is today and enabled RF to justify its act accordingly in Crimea then, and now in Donbass.
Serbia had played its victim role there rather well, saving the most of its military assets and was pacified. And do not forget a mountain of money was injected in the region, after that.
So I was content with it. Yes.
Posted by: whirlX | May 22 2023 12:21 utc | 368
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 22 2023 12:18 utc | 421
The design of the F-16 is fundamentally flawed because of that massive engine intake just inches off the ground. It acts like a vacuum cleaner to hover in foreign objects and debris into the engine.
In my own work I’ve always believed systems should be developed in the environment they will operate in – so very little time in ‘sterile’ lab conditions and more time in the actual situations they’ll be running in. This suggests to me the F-16 (or at least the key parts of it’s design) was developed largely in the kind of ‘sterile’ lab environment I’m referring to.
(Note to the pedantic: Here “sterile” just means an environment cleaned of all the unpredictable conditions of the actual operating environment)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2023 12:26 utc | 369
The design of the F-16 is fundamentally flawed because …
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 22 2023 12:18 utc | 421
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Tiny radar aperture. Radar performance is proportional to the square of the aperture.
Posted by: too scents | May 22 2023 12:30 utc | 370
Posted by: Featherless | May 22 2023 10:21 utc | 388
Fucking name-stealing infiltrators trying to start shit between us.
You can tell when NAT[F]O has just suffered a major defeat (Bakhmut) or is preparing another dumb operation by the spike in sub-juvenile antics from the trolls that monitor this site.
It’s been the same template for years and it’s never actually achieved anything.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2023 12:38 utc | 371
⚡️🇷🇺 🇺🇦⚔️ On the AFU SRG Mass Sortie at the RF Border⚡️
🎬 The Video of the shelling and fighting at the border crossing #Grayvoron in #Belgorod region is actively shared on the net. Based on the personnel published by Ukrainian resources, it can be concluded that both Humvees and an US tank entered the checkpoint itself.
The result is massive sowing of panic among the population of the border area. Beside real footage of the battles at the checkpoint, staged videos were thrown in. Romanov writes that one of the videos with movement of equipment was filmed near #Shostka in #Sumy region.
Concurrently with the fighting at the #Grayvoron border crossing, Ukrainians fired at several Grayvoron and Shebekinsky district border settlements, damaging residential buildings and infrastructure.
The “offensive” is being conducted more actively in the info field. Apparently, the Ukrainian side managed to kill part of the frequencies of local radio stations, which is why panic calls are being spread on the radio, including on the start of evacuation from border areas. This does not reflect reality.
According to Veteran’s notes, the border guards withdrew to equipped positions, because the crossing itself is not adapted for defence. Then, a fire defeat was inflicted on the enemy forces.
It is not known how long the RDK and Freedom of Russia militants action lasted, but most likely we are seeing exactly the same scenario as in the case of the #Bryansk region, where on 👉 2 March militants of the “Russian Volunteer Corps” came in.
They came in – shot – removed the reporting content – sowed panic – left.
📌 There is an “Offensive” on the RF border two days after the loss of #Bakhmut. Regardless of the outcome of today’s events, the AFU has can declare success. However, even a temporary entry to the checkpoint is not comparable to the loss of one of the iconic SMO cities.
High Resolution: 🇬🇧 MAP; 🇷🇺 MAP
📜 RYBAR; 22 May 2023, 13:57
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 12:41 utc | 372
Hi @ All MoA,
presently here “publishing” with-or-without any of Yours own individual/meanings/estimations presented concerning UKR Republic ..
My judge is today (2023-05-22) – even on all Your comments – masy be revised a little due the “realistic view” of current EVENTS (wether missile strikes nor G7-Headers may be concerned about.
The “war” (SMO) in UKR will end in a very desesaterous way !
There are no so-called “peace-talks” underway, from either side – still today (2023.05-22).
All sides want to “win anyway” – so let’s wait.
But, to wait for “anything” now happened by either sides …. … nothing happens today ..
What has Nazi-Guy Elendsky to do with Europeans and the South-American people ever more ..?
All best – RF should go on to save the Slav-like inhabitants, the local people! asap. ..
Posted by: spare_truth2 | May 22 2023 12:42 utc | 373
The F-35 was developed to be an air superiority fighter to replace the F-16 because the F-16 was too expensive and too unreliable, as well as a ground attack aircraft to replace the A-10. It was supposed to be cheaper and better than the aircraft it was replacing.
Funny how the F-35 missed every single one of its stated original design targets.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 12:44 utc | 374
❗️ Poland has started calculating the damage from the actions of the USSR during and after World War II, the republic’s Deputy Foreign Minister Arkadiusz Mulyarchyk said on Polish television.
Previously, Polish authorities have repeatedly stated that the republic first wants to get reparations from Germany, which is already billed at 1.3 trillion dollars, and then it can proceed with similar claims to Russia.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/47237
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 12:45 utc | 375
Either you are authoritarian, or you are libertarian.
Posted by: El Oso de Los Llanos | May 22 2023 12:48 utc | 376
Funny how the F-35 missed every single one of its stated original design targets.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 12:44 utc | 429
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The F-35 has a subcontractor in every State and many allied nations. It represents the perfect evolution of pork barrel politics.
https://www.pogo.org/analysis/2019/06/the-f-35-and-the-captured-state
Posted by: too scents | May 22 2023 12:50 utc | 377
The Accountant no. 405
The Russian casualties according to “western officials”.
The Ukranian according to “Russian sources”. Why can’t they both be from “western officials” or “Russian sources”? Get my point.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 22 2023 12:53 utc | 378
Having all kinds of supr-duper warplanes, tanks, missiles, and even satellites, the US was kicked out by Afghans not more than year ago. So, one can understand the ‘ability’ of the US armament… 🙂
Posted by: ostro | May 22 2023 12:54 utc | 379
@uncle tungsten | May 22 2023 9:29 utc | 368
Over this last month the Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov made a thinly veiled threat of nuclear consequences poisoning all the lands of Donbass or some such.
Was that not the reason why DU munitions were supplied by the UK?
Posted by: cirsium | May 22 2023 12:55 utc | 380
Oleksii Reznikov?
Reznik, means a butcher.
So, he is Oleksii the butcher… 🙂
Posted by: ostro | May 22 2023 12:57 utc | 381
Tim … and mjc comes across as measured and reasonable …
This is the most dangerous kind of troll because people actually get distracted into reasoned argumentation or even defending. I don’t argree with Dude’s tone but I quite understand where the sentiments come from.
The MoA community is a fractious one but coollectively superb at rooting out even the slyest of BS.
Posted by: petra | May 22 2023 12:59 utc | 382
too scents@394….you miss the eight years where State terrorists shelled the Donbas indiscriminately. That was US security cover ….it’s fucking blown, Russia said fuck them and their fucking white horse……
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 22 2023 13:02 utc | 383
Posted by: whirlX | May 22 2023 12:21 utc | 423
We are talking about bombing of Serbia in 1999. It was illegal. The pretext was genocide in Kosovo, which turned out to be nonsense. They found 2000 bodies all wounded in war. The enemy of the Serbs were terrorists. The goal of the West to separate Kosovo. The Russian troops went to Kosovo and general Clark wanted to attack them but a Brit refused.
You are trying to sell us NATO propaganda.
Posted by: RB | May 22 2023 13:04 utc | 384
Waht’s ever will going to understand further ahead of this UKR/RF conflict, “You all” do not know (even a so-published victory on Artemnowsk) how many men-losses have billed for that, ..
The “stragical issue” of Bakhmut was only a political one for testing either sides.
Bakhut is NOT a strategical – nor a tactically used – aim that have to be destroyed down to ruins!
But this town (Artemnskow, sorry right spellin to learn) has lost a “lot of” soldiers on eiteher side!
So wait – wherever Your stand is (MoAs): look at the best verified facts to comment here (not only Diman).
Posted by: spare_truth2 | May 22 2023 13:07 utc | 385
mo3.1 | May 22 2023 8:03 utc | 337 :
***Putin made it clear:
Start any delivered F16 from Poland or Romania to fight in the Ukraine..these airfields are targets!***
If a couple of F-16 aircraft were delivered to Ukraine, and then flown from within Ukraine (probably by experienced NATO pilots) to do attacks from very close to the Poland border … while at the same time NATO aircraft (including some F-16s) just by coincidence happened to be ‘exercising’ close to the other side of that border … and one of the NATO contingent on the Polish side of the border just happened to get hit by a (real or alleged) Russian missile…
Posted by: Cynic | May 22 2023 13:11 utc | 386
Countries sending F-16s to be destroyed in Ukraine may be getting a promise by USA of replacement with F-35s…
Question is: As the F-35s require over 400 pounds of rare earth metals–where is the USA getting these rare earth metals from???
Russia would be stupid to continue to sell USA titanium, lithium etc. (Russia supposedly traded 3 years worth of titanium to Boeing/USA in exchange for 12 cargo jets as harsh sanctions were being put in place a couple years ago–this was allowed by law by U.S. Congress. I’m not sure if Russia ever received the cargo jets.)
Posted by: Dulles_Did_Dallas | May 22 2023 13:15 utc | 387
Posted by: Dulles_Did_Dallas | May 22 2023 13:15 utc | 443
Russia would be stupid to continue to sell USA titanium, lithium etc.
On the contrary, the smartest thing Russia could do now is continue selling the USA materials (at a price to it’s own liking of course).
The US gets all the rope it needs to hang itself: It can create as many f-35 paperweights as it needs to bankrupt itself into oblivion.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2023 13:18 utc | 388
https://t.me/llordofwar/143503
🇬🇧🇺🇦❗️Zaporozhye NPP was disconnected from external power supply – Energoatom.
She was switched to diesel generators due to the shutdown of high-voltage lines.
Posted by: anon2020 | May 22 2023 13:18 utc | 389
Posters are struggling to understand that the F-16 a flying radar-set that can launch missiles. How well it flys is secondary to the quality of its radar and the weight of the missiles it can lift.
The F-16 has low payload capacity and the worst radar in its class.
https://www.radartutorial.eu/01.basics/Radars%20Accuracy.en.html
Posted by: too scents | May 22 2023 13:24 utc | 390
Posted by: Dulles_Did_Dallas | May 22 2023 13:15 utc | 443
… Countries sending F-16s to be destroyed in Ukraine may be getting a promise by USA of replacement with F-35s…
Question is: As the F-35s require over 400 pounds of rare earth metals–where is the USA getting these rare earth metals from??? …
A short note to the so-called F-16s may have aqlreqady been shipped beyond the today’s UKR State borders towards attacking RF targets: Sorry: but I laugh …
Each of F-XX just rising to sky from anywhere “roads left operatibg” will be discovered by a newly upgraded RF Fighting Su-XX Radar-driven by a very experienced Su-Figthers – What’s then ? Fight is not only done by a cpmputer game ! The Radar-range of every figther-jet is also a very significant parameter to win an air-strike via face-to-face ..
Posted by: spare_truth2 | May 22 2023 13:35 utc | 391
Et Tu@324
You are right. It is the height of irresponsibility even to consider holding military maneuvres and air ‘exercises’ close to an active war zone.
These plans, which include the training of inexperienced and badly disciplined personnel, are almost certain to spill over into war.
Public opinion should be alerted to the dangers which bring humanity to the brink of the abyss.
Posted by: bevin | May 22 2023 13:40 utc | 392
too scents @432: ”It [TheF-35] represents the perfect evolution of pork barrel politics.”
It set a precedent for pork barrel politics that cannot be reversed. If there were a new effort to design a cheaper and better replacement, it would suffer the same fate and end up even more expensive and more unwieldy. It’s a procurement death spiral. I’ve heard it said by people wiser than I that the F-35 is the last new fighter design America will ever produce because anything to follow will be too expensive to go into production.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 13:47 utc | 393
Equal to F16 to Ukraine and F16 to SU fighters.
NO THESE ARE NOT
Why
Citation :
(General) Davis further emphasized that although the F-16 is one of the best fourth-generation fighter jets in the world, its performance would be far less without additional E-3 Sentry radar aircraft. He added in this regard:
“So far there has been no discussion about providing Ukraine with this opportunity.”
It is also important, according to Davis, that the F-16 is not a stealth aircraft and could therefore become an easy target for Russian defenses.
There is a danger that these E-3 Sentry radar planes will then become targets !!!
Posted by: mo3.1 | May 22 2023 14:01 utc | 394
@ HairyJeremy | May 22 2023 13:59 utc | 452
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One shot missile launchers that can network with NATO AWACS.
Posted by: too scents | May 22 2023 14:01 utc | 395
I Remind You All here, the latest on further excalation of RF/UKR “war” (SMO).. whether you are an US/UK-like troll to be recovered in Your mind immediately, or hopefully You are not of those Biden-Puppet sponsored Blinkens & Nulands, the US/UK-like ruling guys will be set to “Ground Zero” (11/09).
Be sure .. the big imperial state of Germany will fall to Ground-Zero with Mr. corruptive Scholz.
Think about – but pls. do not wonder would further happen “G7 plans” against China & South Africa !
So it is -or not?
Posted by: spare_truth2 | May 22 2023 14:02 utc | 396
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 9:02 utc | 357
I would say thanks for the video but it remains a searing and unwelcome event.
This is not the identical video I originally viewed. Portions of:
Ukrainian army killing innocent people Lugansk (02.06.2014)
https://youtu.be/pooFkZzmtNc
were intercut with other frames from your find. The image of the dying woman with her legs shot away was part of the compilation video I viewed.
On first viewing the footage I could not understand what caused such multiple grave injuries (I have treated a great many casualties including traumatic amputations but nothing of similar severity). What I will call the “compilation clip” included footage taken from an elevated position overlooking the civic park shown in your video and in this following video from the same collection:
Donbass People from Ukrain Army (airstrike Lugansk)
https://youtu.be/oYOIufxpZ5I
The elevated view of the park had the civic building on the left and captured the treetops being shredded as SU-25 cannon fire ripped them apart while it advanced left toward the front steps of the civic building.
The Donbass People from Ukrain Army (airstrike Lugansk) contains footage from within the park and shows the effects of explosive 30 mm autocannon fire on bare ground and on concrete. When used on human flesh it tears the body apart as depicted in your video.
When you listen to the note of anguish in the voice of your videographer you do not require a translation facility to comprehend his feelings. As other posters have remarked, the Russian speakers of the Donbass were beseeching Putin to intervene and protect them from the US coup government. During that period Putin was reviled for his legalistic, hands-off, not my responsibility, no legal mandate to intervene position.
Since the people of the Donbass had close family connection with their relatives in Russia the citizens responded with military and humanitarian assistance despite Putin’s failure to engage.
MJC’s concern with “morality” is a febrile charade. Like many in the West he has first established his world view and now only seeks confirmation of his false thesis. I do hope he has the opportunity to watch these videos and contemplate the monster he is in the process of becoming.
Posted by: Sushi | May 22 2023 14:07 utc | 397
Posted by: mo3.1 | May 22 2023 14:01 utc | 453
Obviously UK (or US, whatever) plan was to provide target data to those F-16 with AWACS planes operating from the Black Sea, near Crimea with (supposedly) 160km range AIM-120D air-to-air missiles. But if that plan is put into action, that might backfire and really cost some of those recon assets.
The F-16 will crash into Ukraine controlled territory and will be quietly mopped up and with controlling media the risk for humiliation is small.
Posted by: unimperator | May 22 2023 14:07 utc | 398
HairyJeremy @452
Kamikaze. They should just load the airframes with explosives.
Just so everyone knows, the F-16 is relatively stealthy if external ordinances and pylons/hardpoints are removed. That won’t help them against the Russians, but it is interesting nonetheless.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 22 2023 14:07 utc | 399
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2023 12:41 utc | 427
Thanks for keeping things fresh with live updates on Belgorod and everything else.
Attacks on Belgorod are frequent and yet local forces seem to be reduced to improvising with whatever’s to hand and poking undergrowth to flush out saboteurs. I get that it’s provocation theatre but MoD boosters will never be able to explain why there is no routine drone surveillance and on-call fire support.
If there is a good reason why identifiably enemy vehicles approaching a checkpoint aren’t grievously assaulted by ATGM’s or direct hits from rocket artillery I’d very much like to hear it.
Posted by: anon2020 | May 22 2023 14:11 utc | 400