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May 14, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-116
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Chatter on some Telegram channels suggest this is British supplied equipment being destroyed at a train warehouse. Posted by: Jonas the Blogger | May 14 2023 14:29 utc | 2 Strange Diplomacy: Victoria “F*ck the EU” Nuland: She’s Lost 20% of Ukraine w/100,000+ KIA (& still has a job) Posted by: Doim | May 14 2023 14:35 utc | 3 Question Barflies; Posted by: Exile | May 14 2023 14:48 utc | 4 Posted by: Exile | May 14 2023 14:48 utc | 4 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2023 14:51 utc | 5
Posted by: Down South | May 14 2023 14:54 utc | 6
After two assassination attempts on Putin, including trying to set the Kremlin on fire, he may well be a dead man the moment he leaves the NATO protective bubble. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 14 2023 14:57 utc | 7
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17750
https://t.me/nabludatels/30363
Posted by: Down South | May 14 2023 14:58 utc | 8 @ Jonas the Blogger | May 14 2023 14:29 utc | 2 Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2023 14:58 utc | 9 @Exile | May 14 2023 14:48 utc | 4 Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2023 15:00 utc | 10 This nonsense about “Russia doing nothing” while NATOstan crosses it’s “Red Lines” has been puzzling me for a while: Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2023 15:01 utc | 11
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17751 Posted by: Down South | May 14 2023 15:01 utc | 12
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17760 Posted by: Down South | May 14 2023 15:03 utc | 13 Posted by: Oui | May 13 2023 20:17 utc | 42
Leader of six opposition groups …
Kılıçdaroğlu has Biden’s ear and will become a reliable NATO partner to detriment of Russia, its interests in the Black Sea and Caspian oil basin.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/46013 Posted by: Down South | May 14 2023 15:06 utc | 15 Not so funny for the fan Community: Posted by: e | May 14 2023 15:08 utc | 16 Big weapon deliveries from the uk(missles) more from the US a little earlier and now the Germans going all in. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 14 2023 15:09 utc | 17 Arch Bungle | May 14 2023 15:01 utc | 13 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 14 2023 15:13 utc | 18
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17761 Posted by: Down South | May 14 2023 15:22 utc | 19 Zelensky is soon running out of countries to visit:
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/62707 Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2023 15:28 utc | 20 Sweden wins Eurovision Posted by: Melaleuca | May 14 2023 15:29 utc | 21 I read in Danish media that Bornholm (Danish island between Denmark and Sweden) was hit by an earthquake. Later it was corrected to an explosion in Poland. I wonder what is really going on. And at the other end of the world, America throws a tantrum for South Africa selling weapons to Russia. Posted by: G wiltek | May 14 2023 15:29 utc | 22 Sunday night tends to be “Missile Night in The Ukraine”. Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 14 2023 15:30 utc | 23 From the old thread.
Totally delusional. Posted by: Julian | May 14 2023 15:30 utc | 24 US ambassador apologises for accusing South Africa of supplying arms to Russia during Ukraine war
Posted by: Melaleuca | May 14 2023 15:37 utc | 25 Posted by: Down South | May 14 2023 15:06 utc | 17 Posted by: unimperator | May 14 2023 15:42 utc | 26 – A chunk of Ukraine is now under Russian control and will never go back. Posted by: rk | May 14 2023 15:44 utc | 27 Erdoğan is far ahead as counting on, with almost 60% of the vote, exactly as I said in the regime change thread. I’m not saying it’s good or bad in the context of the Ukranazistani conflict, I’m just saying that this will not be an outcome that will make Warshington happy. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 14 2023 15:46 utc | 28 Posté par: Arch Bungle | 14 mai 2023 15:01 UTC | 13 Posted by: Le Catalan | May 14 2023 15:57 utc | 29 @ Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2023 15:28 utc | 20 Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 14 2023 16:03 utc | 30 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 14 2023 15:46 utc | 28 Posted by: unimperator | May 14 2023 16:06 utc | 31 Today, Andrea Riccardi, founder of the influential Catholic organization Communità di Sant’Egidio, was interviewed about the meeting between Zelensky and the Pope. Riccardi said there is no mediation by the Vatican right now, but that the Vatican is seeking to establish lines of communication with the Ukraine, Russia and other countries to start a peace negotiation. These other countries include China. However, seemingly, Zelensky showed up in Rome to say to the Pope that the Ukraine is not seeking a mediation, nor a truce negotiation, right now. In fact, Zelensky’s meeting with the Pope was announced, according to Riccardi, just two days before it happened: it was a surprise. However we do not know what Zelensky said to the Pope in their closed-door meeting, where he could have manifested different intentions, while in his public speech was quite rude and bombastic, as usual. Posted by: SG | May 14 2023 16:08 utc | 32 @ Melaleuca | May 14 2023 15:37 utc | 25 Posted by: scc | May 14 2023 16:11 utc | 33 @32 Posted by: paddy | May 14 2023 16:15 utc | 34 Aleks, from Black Mountain Analysis just released an interview with a military officer regarding the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Posted by: Thomas | May 14 2023 16:26 utc | 35 However, in that case Zelensky, after all his overblown declarations about pushing the Russians out of the Ukraine and Crimea, would be in a hard position, politically speaking, so that is a further obstacle to real negotiations now (does that mean that Zelensky must go?). Posted by: Up North | May 14 2023 16:28 utc | 36 There is nothing to talk about until that Nazi obscenity in Ukraine is buried, this time for good. Posted by: Englishman | May 14 2023 16:35 utc | 37
Posted by: Up North | May 14 2023 16:28 utc | 36 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 14 2023 16:36 utc | 38 Maybe Zelensky went to see the pope asking if the WW2 Vatican-Nazi ratlines were still working? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 14 2023 16:37 utc | 39 Posted by: scc | May 14 2023 16:11 utc | 33
And yet, his foreign ministry spokesman Clayson Monyela, instead of telling the US to go suck an egg, was compelled to “explain that the country’s arms control regulator has no record of an authorized arms sale to Russia during the period in question.” Thus further anchoring the narrative that siding with Russia would be in violation of some universal law. Posted by: robin | May 14 2023 16:43 utc | 40 The Kievis launched their big counter-attack along about 80km of the Artemovsk region front. And they managed to break through a stretch about 5km wide at exactly where Prigozhin had prompted them to come, right into the arms of Wagner in the ruins of Bakhmut. The poor stupid bastards. Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 14 2023 16:53 utc | 41 @ Oui | May 14 2023 15:03 utc | 14 Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 14 2023 17:09 utc | 42 “‘We are preparing a counterattack for the illegally occupied areas based on our constitutionally defined legitimate borders, which are recognized internationally,’ Zelenskyy said.” Posted by: jayc | May 14 2023 17:15 utc | 43 European customs block two containers with humanitarian cargo collected by volunteer organizations to Donetsk Republic Posted by: rk | May 14 2023 17:20 utc | 44 Goodness, not know what this is, searched Eurovision rank#1 Posted by: Miguel | May 14 2023 17:22 utc | 45 Oops, this link Posted by: Miguel | May 14 2023 17:29 utc | 46 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 14 2023 15:37 utc | 25
This is what Defence Minister Thandi Modise said about the Russian ship Lady R last year Posted by: Down South | May 14 2023 17:31 utc | 47 @ scc | May 14 2023 16:11 utc | 33 Posted by: whirlX | May 14 2023 17:33 utc | 48 For the third time on 14 May, units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) have struck Donetsk using multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS). The Ukrainian military fired 10 shells at the Kiev district, the Donetsk people’s republic’s representation to the Joint Centre for the Control and Coordination of Ukrainian War Crimes (JCCC) has said. Posted by: Oberbayer | May 14 2023 17:36 utc | 49 Not so funny for the fan Community: Posted by: NJH | May 14 2023 17:37 utc | 50 Further to explosion in Northern Poland Saturday about 15 to 16000 not reported generally. About 2.3 on the Richterscale. Posted by: G wiltek | May 14 2023 17:40 utc | 51 Which appears to be: stack it all in one place in order to make spectacular Telegram videos… Posted by: Up North | May 14 2023 17:51 utc | 52
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/46097
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/46098
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/46100
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/46101 Posted by: Down South | May 14 2023 17:52 utc | 53 G wiltek @ 51
Above ground would have been impossible to hide, even an underground weapons explosion either from carelessness or sabotage would have broke through. However, Poland secret underground nuke test??? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 14 2023 17:57 utc | 54 Down South @ 53
Hopefully someone with some decent expertise, and please not nonsense, can chime in? Off hand, just guessing, I don’t see DU capable of giving off gamma radiation, otherwise it sure as hell wouldn’t be depleted and something tank crews can handle. Again, just guessing. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 14 2023 18:05 utc | 55 Posted by: G wiltek | May 14 2023 17:40 utc | 51
Posted by: Up North | May 14 2023 17:51 utc | 52 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 14 2023 18:08 utc | 56 This is also worth watching from Bentley, not sure if the same, haven’t listened to the above link yet: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 14 2023 18:09 utc | 57
One of the two Aegis Ashore sites is right there across from Bornholm (the other is in Romania). Posted by: shadowbanned | May 14 2023 18:10 utc | 58 @ LightYearsFromHome | May 14 2023 17:57 utc | 54 Posted by: whirlX | May 14 2023 18:16 utc | 59 It’s been a few decades since I’d visited Europe and I wanted to see what it was about the new EU that the Ukro-Nazis were so in love with. I figured with as much screen space as Eurovision was taking up in the news aggregators that by viewing it I could really get an accurate impression of the new Europe’s “soul”, if you will. Posted by: William Gruff | May 14 2023 18:23 utc | 60 @G wiltek | May 14 2023 15:29 utc | 22
The minimum distance between Bornholm and the Polish coast is 100 Km. An explosion in Poland with noticeable acoustic transfer to Bornholm would have to be very large indeed. Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2023 18:24 utc | 61 shadowbanned@7 Zelensky has more to fear from nato in the assasination game than Russia. We all know this. Why dont you? Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 14 2023 18:33 utc | 62 Posted by: William Gruff | May 14 2023 18:23 utc | 60 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 14 2023 18:35 utc | 63 LightYearsFromHome | May 14 2023 17:57 utc | 54 Posted by: Jerr | May 14 2023 18:39 utc | 64 Posted by: G wiltek | May 14 2023 17:40 utc | 51
A massive thermobaric test to impress gullible yokels into fighting Empire’s war in exchange for crippling debt? Posted by: anon2020 | May 14 2023 18:44 utc | 65 It looks like Erdogan will fall short of the 50% required to secure a win on the first ballot. I have been refreshing this page every 10 mins or so since it was first posted at a few minutes after 1800 GMT. Every single refresh has reduced Erdogans percentage; What began at 56% has now been reduced to 50.83% Posted by: sabretache | May 14 2023 18:46 utc | 66 Posted by: sabretache | May 14 2023 18:46 utc | 66 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 14 2023 18:47 utc | 67 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 14 2023 18:35 utc Posted by: Up North | May 14 2023 18:48 utc | 68 The minimum distance between Bornholm and the Polish coast is 100 Km. An explosion in Poland with noticeable acoustic transfer to Bornholm would have to be very large indeed. Posted by: Up North | May 14 2023 18:55 utc | 69 Posted by: sabretache | May 14 2023 18:46 utc | 66 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 14 2023 18:57 utc | 70 @Jerr | May 14 2023 18:39 utc | 64
Yes. Given what already happened last year, this is a relevant question. Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2023 18:59 utc | 71 Posted by: whirlX | May 14 2023 18:16 utc | 59 Posted by: anon2020 | May 14 2023 19:02 utc | 72 Posted by: Exile | May 14 2023 14:48 utc | 4 Posted by: Milites | May 14 2023 19:02 utc | 73 MSM coverage is a barometer here in Britain as well. The amount of coverage is directly correlated to the amount of Ukrainian ‘success’. Posted by: Up North | May 14 2023 19:06 utc | 74 “G7 countries and the European Union intend to ban resumption of Russian gas exports to Europe previously halted by Moscow during the G7 leaders summit in Hiroshima from May 19-21. The step is designed “to make sure that partners don’t change their mind in a hypothetical future,” Posted by: rk | May 14 2023 19:09 utc | 75 @anon2020 | May 14 2023 19:02 utc | 72
Or perhaps more likely a large explosion much closer to Bornholm. Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2023 19:11 utc | 76 various graphs are appearing showing spike in gamma radiation at Khmelnitsky . settlements next to them are all unchanged indicating DU munitions went up there. i guess we now get to see where dust blows and the next study can start regarding health affects. for those that deny it has any negative outcomes , now would be a good time to go visit the area and breath in some freedom Posted by: hankster | May 14 2023 19:12 utc | 77 Graph:
Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2023 19:14 utc | 78 @60 and 63 Posted by: Anthony | May 14 2023 19:14 utc | 79 @ William Gruff | May 14 2023 18:23 utc | 60 Posted by: whirlX | May 14 2023 19:16 utc | 80 Posted by: rk | May 14 2023 19:09 utc | 75 Posted by: unimperator | May 14 2023 19:17 utc | 81 Current low level winds are blowing towards Poland and Belarus. That’s a damn shame. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 14 2023 19:20 utc | 82 Posted by: whirlX | May 14 2023 19:16 utc | 80 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 14 2023 19:24 utc | 83 Stormshadow Missiles already drawing a long (blowback) shadow? Posted by: Et Tu | May 14 2023 19:31 utc | 84 Stormshadow Missiles already drawing a long (blowback) shadow? Posted by: Elmer Fudd | May 14 2023 19:47 utc | 85 Both uranium and depleted uranium, and their immediate decay products, emit alpha and beta particles and a small amount of gamma radiation. Posted by: Oldengineer | May 14 2023 19:52 utc | 86 https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/red-list-23-facing-down-disaster#details Posted by: Pudding | May 14 2023 19:55 utc | 87 This latest large explosion… Posted by: Mark2 | May 14 2023 19:57 utc | 88 A good use of 18 minutes! Posted by: Up North | May 14 2023 19:59 utc | 89 Headline – “Zelensky hints at postponing elections No vote will be held in the country while it remains under martial law, the Ukrainian president has said” Posted by: Elmagnostic | May 14 2023 20:01 utc | 90 Posted by: Mark2 | May 14 2023 19:57 utc | 88 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 14 2023 20:02 utc | 91 Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2023 19:11 utc | 76 Posted by: anon2020 | May 14 2023 20:03 utc | 92 Further to my above. Posted by: Mark2 | May 14 2023 20:04 utc | 93 Tom-Q-collins @ 91 Posted by: Mark2 | May 14 2023 20:08 utc | 94 DU ammunition explosion?. Posted by: Elmer Fudd | May 14 2023 20:09 utc | 95 Whoops! Posted by: Elmer Fudd | May 14 2023 20:10 utc | 96 Posted by: Mark2 | May 14 2023 19:57 utc | 88 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 14 2023 20:13 utc | 97
People don’t quite appreciate how extraordinary these strikes were. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 14 2023 20:14 utc | 98 On Starmedia, a brilliant russian youtube channel, there is a fantastic series on napoleon’s 1812 invasion of Russia and another series on the 1812-1815 Russian campaign against napoleon. Worth a watch by you barflies I reckon. Posted by: Eoin Clancy | May 14 2023 20:25 utc | 99 @Arch Bungle | May 14 2023 15:01 Posted by: Steve | May 14 2023 20:27 utc | 100 |
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