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May 10, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-112
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⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦🤚 Battle for #Bakhmut – on another Flank Attack⚡️
🔹 Following yesterday’s Reports about the enemy wedging south of #Artyomovsk, today there are reports*👇 that the AFU is trying to advance in the band of action of the 4th Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade and were able to pass several hundred meters, but thanks to the heroism of the PMCs who arrived in time, the breakthrough was stopped.
🔹 The Activity of the AFU on the flanks is expected and predictable – reserves have been gathering for a long time in the area of #Konstantinovka, Chasov Yar, Ray-Aleksandrovka and on the Seversky ledge. Now they will be used for counterattacks in order to stabilize the front. If possible, they will try to reduce the wedges of our troops to the northwest and southwest of #Artyomovsk.
🔹 The ongoing Public Conflict over ammunition in the #Artyomovsk sector may also have an impact on the course of hostilities.
📜 Boris Rozhin; 10 May 2023, 14:55
*The enemy made a roll on the left flank of the Wagner PMCs, which is the area of responsibility of the 4th Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade of the RF MoD.
A unit of 80 people fled. Having learned about the situation, the Wagner PMC urgently sent a reserve group to the place, which the enemy struck.
The positions were held by 3 people from the PMCs Wagner and Kombat. The wedging of the AFU was about 700 meters.
📜 Kharkov the first Capital; 10 May 2023, 14:02
Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 16:14 utc | 1
TASS has a new post with an update about the grain deal here: https://tass.com/world/1615271
Grain deal to be extended taking into account Russia’s interests — source
ANKARA, May 10. /TASS/. The grain deal is expected to be extended at the talks that started on Wednesday in Istanbul, taking into account Russia’s objections, a source in Ankara close to the talks told TASS.
“There is information that the agreement will be extended beyond May 18. That’s why I’m talking about it as a fact. And there are expectations that the export of Russian products will be a part of it,” the source said.
According to the source, extending the grain deal is a crucial issue for the Turkish leadership in the run-up to the elections and they will do everything in their power to make it happen. “For President Tayyip Erdogan, extending the deal is a signal to the West that Turkey can be trusted. As a result, the government will do everything in its power to preserve the grain initiative,” the source said.
The above quote is truncated by me, as the rest of the piece rehashes stuff posted earlier in the previous Ukraine thread.
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 16:22 utc | 3
Down South @ 1
“📜 Boris Rozhin; 10 May 2023, 14:55
*The enemy made a roll on the left flank of the Wagner PMCs, which is the area of responsibility of the 4th Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade of the RF MoD.
A unit of 80 people fled. Having learned about the situation, the Wagner PMC urgently sent a reserve group to the place, which the enemy struck.
The positions were held by 3 people from the PMCs Wagner and Kombat. The wedging of the AFU was about 700 meters.”
RESPONSE: If this report is true, it looks like the 4th Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade of the RF MoD is quite weak. If 3 Wagers can hold the position after 80 fled, this does not bode well with them as soldiers.
Posted by: young | May 10 2023 16:29 utc | 4
@ Down South | May 10 2023 16:14 utc | 1
“The Activity of the AFU on the flanks is expected and predictable – reserves have been gathering for a long time in the area of #Konstantinovka, Chasov Yar, Ray-Aleksandrovka and on the Seversky ledge. Now they will be used for counterattacks in order to stabilize the front. If possible, they will try to reduce the wedges of our troops to the northwest and southwest of #Artyomovsk . . . .”
“The enemy made a roll on the left flank of the Wagner PMCs, which is the area of responsibility of the 4th Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade of the RF MoD.
“A unit of 80 people fled . . . .”
What, from a Guards brigade?
Was there no warning, no real-time surveillance, no drone, rocket, and artillery support?
Was this a green unit?
Something is whiffy here.
Posted by: John Kennard | May 10 2023 16:39 utc | 5
Ukraines In Exile,
Ukraine was just created a few years ago, yet has all this fake culture, fake buildings downtown, a government in-exile, no elections, no industry, no media, and supported by foreign loans from occupier.
Admit, Ukraine are dumb, ZELENSKY has IQ of American middle schooler, about 11 years age. They have been taken advantage of by smarter people and indebted their country for thousand years. Ukraine will NEVER be an independent nation EVER. You sold out to someone willing to take your resources are expell your people for profit. Partnered with the nation’s who founded enslavement will get only the worst of design.
Ukrainians have lost their nation and FLED, never to return.
Their will be no Ukraine in future, they all Fled
Posted by: Real Truths | May 10 2023 16:43 utc | 6
According to the source, extending the grain deal is a crucial issue for the Turkish leadership in the run-up to the elections
Turkey subsidises a basic white loaf to prevent food riots – it needs the grain to mill in its own facilities to ensure cheap basic staples
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 10 2023 17:01 utc | 7
Posted by: Real Truths | May 10 2023 16:43 utc | 6
BOT or what ? no need to spread hatred , your comment is dumb and pointless
Posted by: publicdisorder | May 10 2023 17:02 utc | 8
First of two SitRep’s for today is up now.
https://askeptic.substack.com/p/battlefield-update-2023-05-10-1
Our source reports that Zelensky is most afraid that the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was demanded to start forever from the Biden Administration, could lead to the loss of several more regions and the complete reset of Zelensky’s “heroic image”.
Therefore, Zelensky is ready to send reinforced reserves to the Bakhmutovskaya meat grinder in order to feed the society with mini-victims, and tell his partners that they are preparing and are about to start. At the same time, do not take a total risk, throwing colossal forces on the offensive.
Now many people have a question, what will be faster, additional deliveries of weapons from the West or losses in Bakhmut and in warehouses, which began to be covered with missiles and UAVs?
We are sure that time is playing against Zelensky. This year he will have to launch an offensive. The longer it drags on, the more Russians accumulate stocks.
Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 17:17 utc | 10
The leader of the Azov terrorists, Biletsky, announced the defeat of the 6th and 8th companies of the 72nd brigade of the Russian Armed Forces near Artyomovsk.
According to him, the terrorists of the 3rd brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (formed from the Azov Regiment’s leftovers) took control of a front 3 km wide and advanced 2.6 km, and the forces of the RF Armed Forces were forced to retreat (to the north) to the city.
And here’s what happened:
Armored groups from the Nazi 3rd Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine went on the attack in the Kleshcheevka area southwest of Artyomovsk.
After the artillery preparation, the terrorists threw tanks and infantry fighting vehicles into battle, correcting their attacks from drones.
Under the onslaught of the enemy, one of the Russian units left their positions, “exposing a front almost 2 km wide and 500 meters deep. Well, we blocked it somehow,” Prigozhin said.
According to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the 3rd assault detachment of PMCs was sent to stop the breakthrough, which stopped the advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
It is reported that fierce fighting continues in the area, the Russians are returning their positions, squeezing out the enemy.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45383
Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 17:21 utc | 11
What the hell is going on with Prigozhin now?!
“evgeny Prigozhin asked what Russia will do if its “happy grandfather” turns out to be a “complete idiot” in a thinly veiled attack on Vladimir Putin”
https://rmx.news/russia/wagner-group-leader-attacks-russian-military-officials-in-cryptic-video-message/
Posted by: Jonathan Mills | May 10 2023 17:24 utc | 12
That story of a 80 strong RF unit skedaddling from a front line later held by 3 Wagnerians reeks of misinformation. It’s quite matching the recent “panic” fancies of the UAF and looks like a bait to launch some more men into the fray, only to be crushed without mercy.
Posted by: Pierrot | May 10 2023 17:24 utc | 13
If the Russians don’t occupy Ukrainian trenches then they would have constructed at least hasty defensive works….. fighting positions in depth and mutually supportive….so for a motorized infantry company to abandon their frontage and flee….for 3 PMC infanteers to close the gap sounds like fanciful theatre. Russian operational security is excellent….cell phones left in rear so social media reports are more likely to be viewed by Ukrainian units….there was earlier reports of another Russian unit falling back but I understand it was a fictitious unit not in the order of battle. Embolden the Ukranian units to come forward into pre registered artillery fire cauldrons?
Posted by: Joe | May 10 2023 17:34 utc | 14
Posted by: young | May 10 2023 16:29 utc | 4
Soldiers tend to retreat if outflanked, nothing new about that and units with prestigious combat reputations have, on occasion, behaved like this, so extrapolating one incident to suggest a fragile brigade is possibly unwise. Equally, listening to agenda-driven commentators is unhelpful, as their narrative clouds the real story.
The Russians WANT the Ukrainians to attack, as it will:
1. Force them to concentrate their forces, (frontages of attacking units are far narrower than when defending) increased target density equates to increased casualties.
2. Expose the attacking units and follow on forces to effective direct/indirect fires.
3. Force them to either occupy field defences that have been registered by Russian batteries, dig hasty, less effective, defences elsewhere, or conduct a fighting retreat against a possible counter-counter attack.
4. Exposes the limitations of the sketchily trained Ukrainian units that have been largely concealed by occupying static defences.
5. Use up valuable supplies of ammo and POL, (attacking units consume far more) exposing supply dumps as they attempt re-supply
6. Expose supporting artillery units to counter-battery fire, artillery needs to engage targets for longer periods to suppress defenders than when conducting defensive fires.
So pushing in the FEBA, whilst not having follow on forces to exploit the initial break in, only exposes Ukrainian forces, consumes vital supplies and provides a wealth of intel for Russia. It does however allow internet commentators, many with monetisation-driven motives, to hyper-ventilate and start talking about offensives and exploiting Russian weakness. Not much of a trade really, still the German latter-war offensives produced good copy and film footage for the Reich, for a week or two, before their temporary gains were brutally reversed.
Posted by: Milites | May 10 2023 17:34 utc | 15
A unit of 80 people fled.
Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 16:14 utc | 1
Any chance Putin could send the commanders responsible for this treason to the frontline, rip of their stars and give them rifles to storm the citadel?
Posted by: Marvin | May 10 2023 17:38 utc | 16
Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 17:17 utc | 10
More like Zelensky is terrified he’ll end up hanging from a lamp post.
Posted by: Milites | May 10 2023 17:38 utc | 17
Not confirmed
Commander of defense of Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) Syrsky liquidated by the Russian Aerospace Forces – military correspondents
According to preliminary information, during the bombing of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the commander of the ground forces of the Bandera horde, General Syrsky, was destroyed.
There are still no official statements.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45393
Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2023 17:43 utc | 18
More EU idiots are performing abrupt about-faces on Ukraine. First it was Polish generals as reported by Larry Johnson, now its Joseph Garden-Jungle Borrell as RT reports, “EU’s top diplomat says he knows how to stop Ukraine conflict ‘immediately’: Kiev will have to surrender in ‘days’ as soon as the West stops supplying weapons, Josep Borrell has predicted.” Seems like yesterday he was still demanding Russia be defeated on the battlefield. Do compare his words below with those of the Polish generals cited by Johnson:
“I know how to end the war immediately,” Borrell told La Sexta’s El Intermedio show. “Stop providing military aid to Ukraine and Ukraine [will] have to surrender in a few days. That’s it, the war is over,” the EU top diplomat insisted.
Borrell acknowledged that would not be the outcome that the EU and other Western nations wanted. The bloc’s foreign-policy chief claimed that an immediate end to the conflict on such terms would see Ukraine “occupied” and “turned into a puppet country” that is “deprived of its freedoms.”
“Is this how we want the war to end?” he asked rhetorically. Borrell then blamed the continued hostilities on Moscow, saying that Russia has repeatedly insisted it would not stop until all the goals of its military campaign are achieved. He also criticized the peace efforts by China and Brazil, claiming they are detached from reality. [My Emphasis]
The bolded quote above is close to an exact iteration of that made by the Poles. IMO, what’s becoming clearer daily is the master of NATO doesn’t want to deal with the root cause of the conflict which is NATO expansion as Russia stated in December 2021. Yes, there’re the specific goals of Russia’s SMO but they’re subsumed within NATO’s being since NATO’s effectively the sire of the Ukie Nazis and is now also its mother providing it nourishment so it can continue to live.
Furthermore, these statements of truth also show the artificial nature of Ukraine, which only lives now thanks to the USSR’s Constitution that granted it SSR status, which until 1990 was seen as a sop, a fiction, and is now acknowledged as a big mistake. Russia was very fortunate to keep Belarus and the Stans from becoming similar to Ukraine. IMO, what’s still very difficult for Russia to admit is the utter calamity the SSR classification became. Russia says its happy with the current arrangement, but I have serious doubts about that being a sincere and widely shared sentiment by those old enough to know the difference.
“Destroyed”…
Even if he was a POS, what is that stupid PC wording ?
He was killed. That is the right word for it.
Posted by: Pierrot | May 10 2023 17:48 utc | 20
“Soldiers tend to retreat if outflanked,”
Milites | May 10 2023 17:34 utc | 15
Battles are usually won by holding the flanks and typically list when the flanks are lost.
The actions of the 80, if correct speak for themselves. No rationalizations are needed.
Posted by: Jerr | May 10 2023 17:53 utc | 21
@Pierrot | May 10 2023 17:48 utc | 21
“Destroyed”…
Even if he was a POS, what is that stupid PC wording ?
It is how Russian is translated on TG, get used to it.
Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2023 17:55 utc | 22
Two companies, companies with four sections will be about 40 men. So eighty men retreated, Wager blocked the attackers….planned retreat and trap. Someone should point out to the Ukies that they have broken Russian lines before, advanced, then got pummeled……wait, right, it’s Ukranians following Brit orders…and we all know how well the Brits fight during war…cue: The Lira Laugh….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 10 2023 17:55 utc | 23
t.me/Slavyangrad/45379
That looks nothing like a kinzhal nose, which is very different and very pointy, as requested by General Aladeen. It also appears too small in size, if you look at a kinzhal attached to a plane. Next to it, that part on the ground with 6 tubes looks like the missile flares unit, which kinzhal would never have. Can you imagine something hypersonic needing flares or having 6 holes on the side?
Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 17:59 utc | 24
@ Pierrot
“Destroyed” doesn’t sound PC to me. Instead, it suggests that Syrsky was the same kind of military asset as a rocket launcher or a helicopter. One can even argue that the term dehumanizes him, although if that’s the case, I’m having trouble being bothered by it.
Posted by: malenkov | May 10 2023 18:07 utc | 25
Hi B,
The BBC have lost it, if they ever had it. Apparently Imran Khan is being held in a `police guesthouse`…. in Islamabad. Can`t find it on Airbnb or Booking.com. We`re all fucked. Have one on me everyone. Much love from France x
Posted by: extremebuilder | May 10 2023 18:21 utc | 26
“Ukraine is preparing up to nine mechanized brigades for a counteroffensive, Czech President Pavel said.
In total, this is 72 thousand people, 900 armored personnel carriers and 315 tanks.
Pavel added that there is no need to hurry with the counterattack, there is only one chance, so it is necessary to prepare as much as possible.”
https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1656349364015747073
I think president Pavel is speaking about how much stuff Nato sent their, not how much stuff are still left. Hence backpedaling.
And remember that Ukraine has already committed those brigades partially to the front, yet they can’t make up their mind whether to attack or not. So now they’re in limbo on the front and more glide bombs lobbed at them.
Posted by: unimperator | May 10 2023 18:21 utc | 27
Borrel makes the mistake believing the Ukrainian Civil War is the main event. It’s a mere sideshow. 87% of the world wants the Washington War Party to be bankrupted such that it can never make war again.
Posted by: Exile | May 10 2023 18:21 utc | 28
Looks like keiv will get another pasting tonight (speculation)
Posted by: Mark2 | May 10 2023 18:21 utc | 29
t.me/Slavyangrad/45402
Others saw the same problems as I did, it looks completely different. Ukr often claims they were attacked by hypersonics, that is how they explain that targets are hit when they shoot down 300% of missiles. This time pentagon is playing too, as marketing for EU to buy their patriot. So they kept this story until S300s and other Russian weapons were destroyed, so the only “hero” that can be is patriot, not even something made in Germany. Which should actually please Russia, the more crap the better.
Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 18:23 utc | 30
Russian military update translations have been using the word “destroyed” and “liquidated” regarding soldiers/commanders for over 1 year.
LoL why are people getting upset about it now?
I dont have an issue w it. The dudes are no more.
Posted by: Comandante | May 10 2023 18:23 utc | 31
@Comandante | May 10 2023 18:23 utc | 32
Russian military update translations have been using the word “destroyed” and “liquidated” regarding soldiers/commanders for over 1 year.
Other variants include “denazified” and “sent to Bandera”.
Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2023 18:26 utc | 32
Prigozhin pursues his political agenda and doesn’t even care if his lies have any semblance of credibility.
To look at this man’s face is to have a dizzying insight into his soul.
Posted by: Leuk | May 10 2023 18:26 utc | 33
If an army unit allows the enemy forces to wedge in, even by leaving the area, which means it is a trap, as the flanges are still with the Russians. Get in to the wedge, you get hit by both sides.
Posted by: ostrr | May 10 2023 18:40 utc | 35
karlof1 | May 10 2023 17:47 utc | 20
Putin spoke once that I know of on the disaster of early communists creating the SSR’s. To me not a lot different than the to the borders Imperial Europe has created in large parts of the world. Russians become citizens of foreign countries in the blink of an eye. Much Russian territory was tacked onto the SSR’s. But post Stalin, the Soviet Union was a place people traveled where ever for work so many of the many of the people of the SSR’s became Russian citizens with the collapse.
The odd thing about this war of the worlds is that both Russia and China look at the earlier America, the America you write about, as their inspiration for the future. They note the factors that made America great and note the factors led to its downfall.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 18:44 utc | 36
Destroyed is literally the word used by Russians. No error in translation. Command to artillery to engage the opponent is literally “destroy”, like in “Target one, tank group, destroy”. Then the cannons or mortars roar and the batterie commander reports back “Target ne, destroyed”. They do not think in terms of how many killed on the other side, they are trying to literally destroy whatever the target is. If a target is say, command post of a large unit, it will be – destroyed, perhaps with anyone in vicinity killed. All eastern European armies use the same vocabulary, perhaps in their own languages. Including UA.
In any case, just a rhetorical question. The meaning and the result are the same.
Posted by: Zidar | May 10 2023 18:52 utc | 37
Jonathan Mills | May 10 2023 17:24 utc | 12
So many clowns are now coming on this blog to tilt at windmills. Idiot trolls with no understanding of history or cultures.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 18:52 utc | 38
It would be better if they didn’t show anything, but left this stuffing about the downed “dagger”, just as a summary, saying that everything was classified.
We immediately described that the story about the downed “dagger” is a fake of our media people, who, in addition to the hype, also wanted to thank the sponsors for the Patriot air defense in this way, so that their shares on the stock exchange began to grow.
Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 18:56 utc | 39
Zidar | May 10 2023 18:52 utc | 38
War is about killing the enemy. You couch that in love blossom terms.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 18:56 utc | 40
Refer ro above mentioned issues ACC.to ‘what to do now ..?
There is nothing Else in top to so how:
Wait against the psycho-msn-powered civilians remaining in UKR (exept vor the Nazis and Volontäre Belgium. Germany. Frances Guys… Thea May Go Go death AS self-Decoder measures.
Bakhmut ist no Linzer a Goal by RF !
Listen to CIA – the Nest
The next strikes is (only) some of Terror Attacke (behind the Wall), as known the evil’s Like by US.
UKR counter offensive will start into a Military and political Desaster vor EU-Haarlocke Liar Girl plus Du Borell Home Prostitution issued Just today announced …
So there .. Look a while .. gut so Not vorher für currently ongoing Threads. Against a Peace Like world Order. Pentagon 5 Weges Go home würde sich came fromm…
That’s IT
Posted by: spare_truth | May 10 2023 18:58 utc | 41
Down South | May 10 2023 18:56 utc | 40
I see a few mentally retarded earlier in this thread where crapping on about the mighty ukroids shooting down a kinzal even after Ukroide land admitted it had no done so. Long live the ghost of Kiev.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 19:01 utc | 42
Robert Kennedy Jr., the nephew of former US President John F. Kennedy, who is running for US President, has spoken out about the losses to Ukraine’s armed forces.
According to him, Ukraine has already suffered catastrophic losses. At the same time, official Kiev is trying by all means to cover up this information. Kennedy Jr explained:
“What we are doing in Ukraine is bad for the people there. We have killed 300,000 Ukrainian soldiers and 14,000 civilians in this geopolitical intrigue. … And in this conceit we are sacrificing the Ukrainian people.”
Kennedy Jr. called the conflict in Ukraine the most violent since World War II and blamed the US leadership for everything that is going on there. He also noted that Moscow cannot lose in the conflict in Ukraine, even if Americans are convinced otherwise.
Posted by: mo3.1 | May 10 2023 19:08 utc | 43
@ Pierrot | May 10 2023 17:48 utc | 21
I’ve always hated that term as well. Dehumanization — there is never a reason for this. Lives are being lost. No amount of rationalization or empty rhetoric will change this fact. Treat war for what it is: an atrocity.
Posted by: HeyHeyHey | May 10 2023 19:12 utc | 44
If Russia abandons trenches without a fight, then Russia built the trenches for Ukrainians to entrench and defend.
I’m sure I don’t own a secure grasp of the situation, to speak with authority on this subject. However, if such a thing were to become a trend….it would call into question my understanding of the reality of the Russian army.
Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | May 10 2023 19:16 utc | 45
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 19:01 utc | 43 “shooting down a kinzal even after Ukroide land admitted it had no done so”
Later, Ukraine claimed they did indeed shoot one down. It is possible.
Posted by: Response2 | May 10 2023 19:20 utc | 46
Can anyone imagine 500m width and the length of the wedge being 2 kms? What is the width of a highway? Is it more than 500m, or less.
Posted by: ostro | May 10 2023 19:21 utc | 47
Posted by: Will | May 10 2023 17:04 utc | 9
At the link:
“The publication also writes that in a global war, HIMARS will become even more vulnerable, because. all American satellites coordinating launches will be shot down.”
Seems farfected. Who has that many missiles to down the western GNNS systems plus all the other systems that can provide PNT, for example Iridium. Or all the satellite systems than can provide location services as a byproduct, for example Starlink.
Posted by: Response2 | May 10 2023 19:28 utc | 49
Marty from America made a very funny comment: “They are geometrically challenged there”. On his blog, topic “Official Denunciation…” check the comments, it’s a party there and more photos.
Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 19:28 utc | 50
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 10 2023 17:55 utc | 24
Russian small unit combat strengths are notoriously difficult to calculate, due to the surprising flexibility given to commanders regarding attachments, but 80 for two companies seems a low figure. Ball park your talking 80-150 for a company, so the story told seems doubtful, at least with the numbers suggested.
The desperation of the Western media, for any tangible Ukrainian success, was demonstrated when I wanted to check the figures above. In response to the enquiry ‘Russian mech brigade TO&E’ I was confronted with two pages of ‘Russian brigade retreats near Bakhmut’ stories. This to me speaks volumes about who is winning, the side that has to elevate and equate every tactical success to the level of operational ones is rarely the one whose front runner in the victory stakes.
Posted by: Milites | May 10 2023 19:30 utc | 51
Norwegian | May 10 2023 18:26 utc | 33
Other variants include “denazified” and “sent to Bandera”.
Sent to Bandera is my favourite !
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | May 10 2023 19:30 utc | 52
Hey hey hey @ 45
Perhaps I should elaborate…
Why I ask is becouse for the year and more the one thing this blog has been better than any one, is pointing out that very thing.
It’s a western provoked war against an inocent country…Russia.
I suspect your ambiguity. Don’t blame the victem please.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 10 2023 19:32 utc | 53
Response2 | May 10 2023 19:20 utc | 47
Fucking idiot. No understanding of technology vs propaganda.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 19:35 utc | 55
That’s exactly why I asked, imagine 500m width. And, 2 kms of that wedge.
Doesn’t it mean that the so-called Ukr wedge has 2kms of flanges? How to withstand the shooting from the left and the right?
Posted by: ostro | May 10 2023 19:36 utc | 56
@ Pierrot
“Destroyed” doesn’t sound PC to me. Instead, it suggests that Syrsky was the same kind of military asset as a rocket launcher or a helicopter. One can even argue that the term dehumanizes him, although if that’s the case, I’m having trouble being bothered by it.
Posted by: malenkov | May 10 2023 18:07 utc | 26
I have many synonyms for “destroyed.”. Most of these synonyms are vulgar or even obscene. I certainly don’t worry about the nuances of machine translation.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | May 10 2023 19:37 utc | 57
It’s not three Wagner soldiers. It’s Wagner’s 3 unit.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 10 2023 19:40 utc | 60
One subtle change I’m noticing ; I do not hear anymore Putin or Peskov claim that “everything is going according to plan”.
Remember these authoritative statements from the Kremlin ? And I believed it in the first three months of the war.
At least now they had the decency of dropping it quietly. But how things change in a year… Even Martyanov is having difficulties explaining that it’s all going according to some grand 5D strategy.
As to the story about the counterattack in Bakhmut : yet again Prigozhin was proven right. Yesterday people tried to nitpick his claim by saying that the 72nd brigade didn’t exist. Now that Colonel Cassad has confirmed the story about a Russian unit fleeing, people are now trying to rationalize it by saying it’s some kind of clever maneuver or maskirovka. They are not even trying to be consistent two days in a row.
Posted by: Micron | May 10 2023 19:41 utc | 61
Posted by: unimperator | May 10 2023 18:21 utc | 28
And remember that Ukraine has already committed those brigades partially to the front, yet they can’t make up their mind whether to attack or not. So now they’re in limbo on the front and more glide bombs lobbed at them.
Reflected in the dithering about the prospective success of the glorious counteroffensive. Don’t get your hopes to high, they say, it may be of limited success, as they try to lower expectations. I have no military training but it seems to me that if the Ukies were to create a salient 40 km deep and 15 km wide, that is no more than a first step. Then they have to supply that force, all while being hammered from two sides with artillery, with the Russian AF making passes over it, while their supply lines are attacked. Unless the offensive is a total success, it turns into a total failure, no real middleground.
Posted by: Mike R | May 10 2023 19:41 utc | 62
Thing are heating up and reaching a tipping point. Make or break time for the anglo empire. The amount of newbies commenting nowe. It is had to distinguish if they are simply virgins that have never been told about the geopolitical birds and bees or if they are typing in an anglo troll factory.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 19:46 utc | 63
@ Response2 | May 10 2023 19:28 utc | 50
You don’t need separate rockets to wreck satellites. All you need is one or a handful of vehicles with moderate maneuverability to get close and the means to ‘bump’ satellites out of alignment. Satellites travel in a circle, of course, so no chasing is needed. All the vehicle has to do is line up where the satellite is going to be.
I suspect that the U.S. military satellite fleet was compromised years ago, given, for example its inability to contribute anything to the MH370 mystery.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 10 2023 19:47 utc | 64
from the previous thread posted by:
anon2020 | May 10 2023 16:10 utc | 336
Time to withdraw the presumption of safety for surveillance aircraft operating in international airspace? If they are providing targeting information, perhaps they should expect to be the subject of non-destructive countermeasures like jamming and blinding?
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The high-altitude reconnaissance drone RQ-4B Global Hawk of the US Air Force for several hours today showed particular interest in the coast of the Krasnodar Territory and Armenia.
Agree there, that time has been spent.
Downing by not using AA weapons, that is always the best countermeasure.
RQ-4B Global Hawk can be choked by spraying the fuel to its jet engine air intake. EW could also work to blind it or even detour it.
That particular one was flying at the hight of around 16 km, and that hight is no match for any RF’s jet interceptor.
Believe it or not, currently there is not one peep of any NATO ISR AWACS or a drone nowhere near Ukraine or the Black Sea.
Or they are hidden (not smart), or they will soon come.
Or they simply gave up.
Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 19:48 utc | 65
Poland largest army in Europe to defend Poland however enlarged Poland could become …questions over Ukraine not being in Nato…but …that does not exclude Poland kind of more “embracing” or salvaging Ukrainian lands..there is some sort of “association pact” between them. Whether Poland might send back Ukrainian refugees to repopulate their homeland but to be beholden to Poland and treated very basically
and subserviently and grateful that there could be a rump Ukraine. Could they live with that in the new reality or would that reignite a more persuasive nationalism affecting Polish society.
But how to have some kind of basic economy due to dereliction bankrupt insufficient deceased injured crippled manpower…not sure how much further charitable EU can be to Ukraine after severely affecting their own economies inflation etc..or sufficient Ukainian refugees are not going to return whether Poland and other EU countries want them or not.
Posted by: Jo | May 10 2023 19:51 utc | 66
War is about killing the enemy. You couch that in love blossom terms.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 18:56 utc | 41
I agree, just explaining the fact that Russian army uses word ‘destroy’ instead of ‘kill’. Even individual targets are liquidated, not killed. I am not pro or con about any word. ‘Destroy’ could have psychological effect. When infantryman kills first enemy, it is anything but pleasant experience. But, it is necessary, so people get used to it. It is not the same feeling when you shoot down somebody on the other side on 500 m distance, and 25 meters. At 25 meters or closer, one can see all the details, smell and hear everything that comes with killing a human being. Many people have problem with that. So telling people ‘we destroyed the target’ makes them feel less bad. Artillery does not see the target, they do not even know if they hit something, until somebody tells them, like people on observation post. Perhaps telling them ‘target destroyed’ is swallowed easier than ‘we just turn 25 young people, enemies though, deservingly, into meaty juicy pulp’.
Most of people have problem squashing a frog. Infantrymen are in much worse position than artillery, killing wise. In close combat, it is necessary to kill the opponent using knife or bayonet. It takes force to brake the skin and push trough bones, if a torso is attacked, and when you eventually break the skin and the bones, you hear ‘whoosh’ of the air escaping lungs. At that moment guy in front of you understands that end is coming, and they look at you, in the eyes like asking ‘did we really have to do this?’. Unfortunately, we had to do this, otherwise I would be the other guy and looking into his eyes. That is perhaps why killing is repackaged in ‘destroyed’ or ‘liquidated’.
I am not against killing in war. If we do not kill them, thy will kill us, end of story. If you have a family to protect, then you do not care, you just kill the bastards, the more killed the better. Then it is not nauseating to see them in death throes, shaking and wriggling. You have something to protect. It takes a special personality to become a sniper, sharp shooter. Spec. units main area of training is how to psychologically ignore bad feelings, professional soldiers too to the lesser degree. Conscripts, freshly mobilized, they do not have coping mechanism. So better we tell them ‘enemy destroyed’ lest they vomit and collapse just when you have to evacuate cannons and mortars quickly, before they counterbattery us or aviation discovers us. Pure cynicism, I know, but you have to, if you fight, or want to persuade others to fight too. So we are almost noble heroes and they are filthy bastards and scum. One has to think that way, and be told the same. Otherwise, wars would be over before they begin.
War is not personal. When Serbs in 1999. hit F-117 (or somethin stealth anyways), NATO pilot managed to escape. People would have quarter him into pieces. The commander of AA unit felt good about destroying the enemy. Fast forward no more than 5-6 years, the pilot in USA and now retired Anti Aircraft colonel met and became friends. I believe they visit each other regularly. would both of them do the same in some future situation. Of course they would try to destroy each other. Fortunately none of them sees the moment when rocket destroys the other guy, so it is all business as usual. Nothing personal, they can exchange war stories today.
Humans, what can we do, eh? May God grant you luck to never have to kill anybody, enemy or not, unless there is no other choice. In war, there is no other choice most of the time.
Posted by: Zidar | May 10 2023 19:52 utc | 67
How is it possible that regular Russian units and Wagner have no direct communication in Bahmut?
Posted by: srbin | May 10 2023 19:56 utc | 68
This is an interesting site. Again, you have not even once discussed the fact that the regular Russian forces are green, and are now facing veterans on the flank. “Hello, welcome to Bakhmut!”. The Wagner forces were prison teams with already established internal coherence, the green forces coming in to relieve have nothing like that “Kurva” spirit, they want to go home.
Posted by: Fnord73 | May 10 2023 20:00 utc | 69
The latest US military requirement add hasn’t been much addressed here. A tranny for a requirement add.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eqmW8lqiEc (women in uniform) Some of that music from my younger days I turn up the volume a bit.
What now – some faggot Biden band will come out with trannies in uniform?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 20:01 utc | 70
just a small throw into the bar:
Nations are for Nationalists
Ideas are for Idealists
Believing is for Believers
so take it as you want but russia and murrica are basically category 2 but there is not many more countries in the world regarding that only uk and france as I can guess
Posted by: Macpott | May 10 2023 20:01 utc | 71
Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 18:23 utc | 31
It is a strange fake. Intended to boost share prices and encourage NATO officers to populate Ukrainian bunkers now that RF hypersonics are neutralised by mighty Patriot?
Posted by: anon2020 | May 10 2023 20:16 utc | 72
Kennedy Jr. called the conflict in Ukraine the most violent since World War II and blamed the US leadership for everything that is going on there. He also noted that Moscow cannot lose in the conflict in Ukraine, even if Americans are convinced otherwise.
Posted by: mo3.1 | May 10 2023 19:08 utc | 44
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Actually, Kennedy Jr. said this war with the US/NATO is “existential” for Russia which is way they can’t lose. He is also stating as a matter fact that JFK and RFK (his father) were murdered by the CIA. Whatever one may think about Robert Kennedy Jr. chances of taking the nomination away from Biden, his poll numbers are going up and Biden’s numbers are in the sewer.
I brought this subject up on two other occasions yesterday and the day before, no one seemed interested. In spite of the disinterest here at MoA in this story, I think that this is an important barometer about a changing perspective of a certain type of voter (Democratic, Independent, and even Republican) who are waking up to the true nature of the current and historical legacy of the deep state since WWII.
Posted by: Ed | May 10 2023 20:17 utc | 73
Jo | May 10 2023 19:51 utc | 67
I’ve read similar ideas. Very hard to say. I think refugees with skills of any kind and rich ones, like I see here with very expensive cars, will surely be kept in EU for work or money to spend. Some will be sent back, others will do things locals don’t like to do. Last year in UK produce was left to rot on the fields, no more workers from poor EU countries because of covid restrictions and brexit rules which started to be applied. Many tens of millions worth of fresh food. Germans were much smarter during covid. Many thousands of workers from Romania were sent to Germany to work the fields. Apparently at Merkel’s personal request to Romania’s nazi president. In their own country it was banned to do agriculture at that moment, only personal gardens, only within a specific range from their home location. You can verify the news at that time, it was not a secret deal or rumors, lots of videos too.
Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 20:19 utc | 74
🇷🇺 Dmitry Rogozin announced the need for a second wave of mobilization in Russia.
“We must bear in mind that the enemy is stronger than us. We cannot act here in such a way that it is every man for himself. Therefore, mobilization is needed. We had to go through not only one at the beginning of autumn, we have to go through one more.
We have problems with the personnel, because the guys are wounded, our fighters are killed. Even when the front is standing, there are shelling. We are losing combat-ready guys. They need to be replaced.”
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/62007
Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 20:19 utc | 75
German journalists showed the “Kinzhal”🚀allegedly shot down by Ukraine – but only fragments of a hypersonic missile were not available
. In Ukraine, shots were taken with fragments of shot down Russian missiles. The BILD publication claims that they all belong to the Russian Kinzhal hypersonic missile, which was allegedly shot down by the Patriot air defense system transferred to Ukraine.
However, this is not the case. The footage clearly shows the wreckage of several different Russian missiles, which German newspapermen are trying to pass off as Russian “Kinzhal”. Note that the American Patriots are unable to intercept Russian hypersonic weapons.
‼️🇩🇪🏴☠️🇺🇦GERMANY DECIDED TO MAKE A DAMN TOGETHER WITH UKRAINE
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Posted by: mo3.1 | May 10 2023 20:26 utc | 76
Posted by: Ed | May 10 2023 20:17 utc | 74
I’ll say this for him, if he can actually upend the democratic party the way Trump upended the republican party, he will be doing a public service. but after years of russiagating and supporting H Clinton I’m suspicious of him especially after he way Bernie and AOC turned into lickspittles.
Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 20:29 utc | 77
How to get an enemy to move outside fixed fortifications? (Re, Bakhmut and the retreat of the 80 man company)
Think of the battle of Hastings in 1066. (For those of the UK this is the one date that everyone should know.)
One side hiding behind shields and wooden stakes. Beats all comers. The Normans atacked and then “ran” away, pretending to be scared, and left the area empty. The Anglo-saxons left their fortifications, ran out in dispersed order across the fields in a “chase” and were cut to pieces on the open ground.. Game, set and match.
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Seems likely that is what happened here. It also explains why both sides are trying to get the other to move first, and leave their extensive trenches and relative security behind.
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The Azov remnants who attacked are unlikely to be able to get out and about again. *De-ducted” from the fight.
It is a strange fake.
Posted by: anon2020 | May 10 2023 20:16 utc | 73
A fake by idiots, it seems. MSM from US has not published those retarded photos yet, as far as I can see at this moment. Photos appeared with the source days ago, but the pentagon marketing team realised it’s not even close in shape. But they have time to build a plastic rocket based on photos or a rendering or a clip their favorite game, Arma 3. The one used to fake many videos last year. Prepare for next week’s CNN news: “another 3 Kinzhals were shot down by a single Patriot”. Or the UK version: “Putin was seen running naked again, had a nightmare with Patriot”.
Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 20:31 utc | 79
I brought this subject up on two other occasions yesterday and the day before, no one seemed interested. In spite of the disinterest here at MoA in this story, I think that this is an important barometer about a changing perspective of a certain type of voter (Democratic, Independent, and even Republican) who are waking up to the true nature of the current and historical legacy of the deep state since WWII.
Posted by: Ed | May 10 2023 20:17 utc | 74
If Kennedy jr. or any other politician attempts to win the presidency on an antiwar agenda, wouldn’t you think that he would be eliminated if he became a threat to the Pentagon’s war?
This is America’s last opportunity at eliminating the threat of a Russia/China alliance that’s due to strip America of global supremacy forever. The stakes have never been higher and the wiping out of the Ukrainian proxy are of no importance in the process
Posted by: Up North | May 10 2023 20:32 utc | 80
Nato in panic as Ukraine’s army is getting crushed much more efficiently than before. Nato is maxed out in terms of wunderwaffen to alter anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rJdYSHiBts
Posted by: unimperator | May 10 2023 20:37 utc | 81
At least now they had the decency of dropping it quietly. But how things change in a year… Even Martyanov is having difficulties explaining that it’s all going according to some grand 5D strategy.
As to the story about the counterattack in Bakhmut : yet again Prigozhin was proven right. Yesterday people tried to nitpick his claim by saying that the 72nd brigade didn’t exist. Now that Colonel Cassad has confirmed the story about a Russian unit fleeing, people are now trying to rationalize it by saying it’s some kind of clever maneuver or maskirovka. They are not even trying to be consistent two days in a row.
Posted by: Micron | May 10 2023 19:41 utc | 62
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Here we go again. The US, NATO, EU, and Ukraine are all winning. Russia might as well lay down their weapons and walk single file into a NATO concentration camp: Trolls will be Trolls.
Posted by: Ed | May 10 2023 20:39 utc | 82
Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 20:19 utc | 75
“Apparently at Merkel’s personal request to Romania’s nazi president”
“You can verify the news at that time”
I did try to verify. Boy was I astonished to find that Klaus Iohannis, President of Romania, is member of National Liberal Party (PNL). So, not a nazi, quite the opposite in fact. Did you perhaps confuse him with somebody else? Putin, for example.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | May 10 2023 20:40 utc | 83
Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 18:44 utc | 37–
Regarding examples, China today says don’t copy what we did; instead, look at what we got right and what we got wrong then tailor your own policies based on your own national context. Russia could say the same but doesn’t as it concentrates on attaining a level international playing field that’s equal for all participants as was initially stated in 1945 but subverted ever since. Of course, there’re distinctive areas where the policies/goals of Russia and China overlap as with promoting the concept of indivisible security that’s enshrined in the UN Charter, which is the main requirement within Russia’s 2021 Security Proposals and also Xi’s Global Security Initiative.
In the segment within his … and forgive them their debts entitled Creditor as Predator, Dr. Hudson shows the real goals of creditors was to enslave the debtor to harness its labor, not to attain what few assets it had, which is essentially unchanged today except that what the creditor wants are the fruits of those labors which are changed into monetary form. Today’s regime is better than that of yore since the debtor doesn’t have to pledge any or its few assets as collateral to obtain the loan, which it loses along with its freedom if it defaults. From the perspective of Western history, only the West Asian/Near Eastern polities had policies resembling People Centered Development that aimed at keeping the masses solvent, which is yet another example of what and what not to do.
The bottom line in Ukraine is that the Outlaw US Empire seeks to exploit and expropriate as much from Ukraine as possible, and Russia is an impediment to that goal and thus must be removed. To attain its goal, the Outlaw US Empire decided it needed to eliminate all ethnic Russians–Genocide–which prompted Russia to come to their defense when it became clear that was the only remaining choice–R2P. Does Russia’s government have the above understanding? Absolutely! Does Russia’s people? I’d say a majority, but a significant minority remain in denial that the West could be so evil. Will Russia attain the security goals it stated in December 2021? Yes. Are those beyond the Ukraine SMO? Yes and No. Yes only because the further goals weren’t specifically stated when the SMO’s goals were first articulated, and they have since been modified personally by Putin to eliminate the hegemonic, demonic, Neoliberal Empire’s abilities, just as Russia eliminated Hitler’s.
@ Ed | May 10 2023 20:17 utc | 74
Kennedy Jr. said this war with the US/NATO is “existential” for Russia which is way they can’t lose
Everything Kennedy Jr. knows about the war in Ukraine is what he has been told directly by Col. Douglas Abbott Mcgregor and Major Scott Ritter.
Those two managed to change his current perspective on it.
Kennedy Jr. still called Putin “a criminal and a thug”, as it is popular trend in the West, so I doubt he made friends on the Russian side.
Russians hoped for Trump to do a proper reset there. He failed miserably by not having really any control of the things concerning Ukraine, NATO, China, Syria and pretty much anything else.
It doesn’t even matter who is the president of the USA.
USA will grind the planet gliding on their hegemony by inertia, until someone gives them the bloody nose.
That is how it works for them.
Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 20:46 utc | 86
Micron@62…Russia chewed through two physical armies fielded by Ukraine. They are now chewing through another. Some really intelligent exceptional just said if they stopped supplying Ukraine they’d surrender in three days……Russia what?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 10 2023 20:46 utc | 87
Nato in panic as Ukraine’s army is getting crushed much more efficiently than before. Nato is maxed out in terms of wunderwaffen to alter anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rJdYSHiBts
Posted by: unimperator | May 10 2023 20:37 utc | 82
This can’t be the reality when the Russian forces are unable to advance. If the Ukrainian army was being crushed their lines would fall back. That’s not happening.
Posted by: MiniMo | May 10 2023 20:47 utc | 88
I have never seen so much concern trolling, but also angst and fretting over an unconfirmed account of an alleged military tactical action relayed through not only the Internet, but also the fog of war. C’mon MoA let’s calm down and wait to see what happens. And yes this is me, not my vanity troll bodysnatcher.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2023 20:48 utc | 89
… Believe it or not, currently there is not one peep of any NATO ISR AWACS or a drone nowhere near Ukraine or the Black Sea.
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Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 19:48 utc | 66
NATO surveillance flights in this region are those of closet belligerents. Their value is in immediate target information but also in collecting operational and sensor signatures that will be extremely valuable if this thing drags on and most especially in a more direct confrontation.
So far we’ve either has complaints (I.e. nothing) or the recent MQ-9 downing. Given that NATO seems to be gradually ramping flights back up I’d say both responses are a failure.
Historically these sorts of flights have been overlooked but NATO has greatly escalated the threat they pose by providing live information to UA and in what must be assumed of their own military ambitions, NATO lies notwithstanding.
Non-destructive jamming and blinding seems like the correct response to NATO’s gross escalation of surveillance potency and their unacknowledged belligerent status.
Unmanned drones can just be jammed and blinded, manned aircraft can be warned off and jammed with gradually increasing strength. The goal is only to block the surveillance, there should be minimal risk to aircraft or crew.
Posted by: anon2020 | May 10 2023 20:48 utc | 90
Zidar | May 10 2023 19:52 utc | 68
An exceptional post. I read my grandfathers diaries. Here in oz we have anzac day and the tern “lest we forget” The faggots have no understanding of what it is they should remember.
My grandfather wrote in his diary – never again will we leave these sunny shores to fight another foreign war.
There are two other tiny diaries. I assume my brother has them as his sons have talked about them.The size of matchboxes with tiny writing that he kept on the frontlines.
The oldboy was an avid volenteer to uphold the kings rule of the world, the Kings order/rules based order. One year in he realized like smedly butler that war is a racket.
He was a scout that went out to look for gaps in the German wire. His unit was with the Americans that broke through the Hindenburg line. Many photos from Messines to there. The photos from Mesines. Clowns crap on about Ukraine being high intensity warfare. The devestation at Messine ridge… the German positions, …
The battle of Kursk.
The complimentary visions of Russia and China for the future. I look at that as differing from the past, near past and present that involves industrial scale slaughter.
Those in eastern Europe that have been brainwashed into thinking Russia and Russians are their enemy are all doomed for destruction. Fools taking up an extremist cult.
The idiocy of the degraded west and the fools that believe in it. Many will die before anglo backed nazi extremism in eastern Europe is killed off.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 20:48 utc | 91
It doesn’t even matter who is the president of the USA.
Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 20:46 utc | 87
Russia should have realized it was the Deep State which controls things and the presidents are just window dressing.
As soon as Russia ‘let down its guard’ after President Reagan’s charm-offensive, Russia was looted and degraded.
Posted by: MiniMo | May 10 2023 20:49 utc | 92
As soon as Russia ‘let down its guard’ after President Reagan’s charm-offensive, Russia was looted and degraded.
Posted by: MiniMo | May 10 2023 20:49 utc | 93
True that.
But, Russians being very scientific in their nature needed another proof. That was Trump.
Now they know.
Deepest state at work, indeed.
Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 21:00 utc | 93
Seems an ammunition depot destroyed in Zaporozhye just now.
“The explosions that were heard in the city of Zaporozhye, temporarily occupied by the Nazis , sounded in the nearest suburb of the regional center.
As a result of the hit, a fire started (pictured) and detonation of the ammunition of the APU militants.
In the morning, the Zelensky regime will show a funnel in an open field and say that “there are no losses”)”
Vladimir Rogov
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/30371
Posted by: unimperator | May 10 2023 21:00 utc | 94
If Kennedy jr. or any other politician attempts to win the presidency on an antiwar agenda, wouldn’t you think that he would be eliminated if he became a threat to the Pentagon’s war?
This is America’s last opportunity at eliminating the threat of a Russia/China alliance that’s due to strip America of global supremacy forever. The stakes have never been higher and the wiping out of the Ukrainian proxy are of no importance in the process
Posted by: Up North | May 10 2023 20:32 utc | 81
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Two points (1). The CIA and the deep state have already killed two Kennedys (maybe 3 if JFK Jr. plane crash was more than the narrative allowed). I suspect that Robert Kennedy Jr. is betting that they won’t dare do it again: He could be wrong.
But no one is forcing RFK Jr. to run and perhaps he wants to air these issues, win, or lose.
Number (2). Your second point is well taken, but if the deep state fails in Ukraine, it is not “existential” for the US. RFK Jr. has made some very important observations about the current neo-liberal Democratic leadership, like for example that it has become the party of war, censorship, graft. A lot of people across the political spectrum agree with that and are (or will) be paying attention. Every one of us are wondering if he survives this run for president against Biden, or will he cut a deal for some political position in a second Biden Administration.
Posted by: Ed | May 10 2023 21:01 utc | 95
The storming of Belogorovka through the eyes of the fighters
On 28 April, after a surprise attack with thermobaric ammunition on the outposts of the Ukrainian armed forces on the outskirts of Belogorovka, a 22-man Akhmat unit was able to make a stealthy run of several hundred meters to a water pumping station on the outskirts of the village.
The National Guard detachment defending the factory building was destroyed within an hour. All hell broke loose. Ukrainian artillery relentlessly pelted the factory building and the only access to it with shells. The lads were cut off from any escape or assistance.
Attack aircraft of the 77th Airmobile Brigade of the AFU went into action. The Akhmat detachment repulsed four assaults in the first few days, including thanks to the artillery of our group Yug. The enemy had a whole company disheveled, according to POWs.
After the failed assaults, the AFU spent five days ironing out the plant with artillery and tanks.
On the eighth day, our guys were able to rotate. The fighting continued. Of the 22 fighters, 17 survived. All with various wounds. They were met personally by Apti Alaudinov, the lock of the 2nd AC.
All nominated for state awards
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45445
Posted by: unimperator | May 10 2023 21:05 utc | 96
Milites @ 15
“Soldiers tend to retreat if outflanked, nothing new about that and units with prestigious combat reputations have, on occasion, behaved like this, so extrapolating one incident to suggest a fragile brigade is possibly unwise. Equally, listening to agenda-driven commentators is unhelpful, as their narrative clouds the real story.”
RESPONSE: All your points are well taken and are valid. Notice, that I did preempt my comment with “if this report is true”.
Posted by: young | May 10 2023 21:05 utc | 97
point 1– we don’t know who killed JFK. bobby had a purported conversion from his lefty hating days, we don’t know if that was real either. maybe that was just a ploy to take the air out of Gene McCarthy’s campaign. If RFK Jr wants to air the issues, he can try running as an independent. His family name will guarantee he gets plenty of attention. even the innocuous Sanders got stabbed in the back by the DNC, which shows he will not win as a democrat. that family is mostly a nest of vipers, starting with Joe Kennedy Sr. is he any different? I’m going to wait and see. the guy who is “certain” the CIA whacked his uncle was also “certain” about Russiagate and supported H Clinton, the sorriest of an extremely sorry field of democratic candidates. even today, she would be worse than Biden because she still has all her marbles.
Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 21:10 utc | 98
karlof1 | May 10 2023 20:42 utc | 85
Karl thanks for the thoughtful reply. I guess I look at it from a global perspective where various centers develop various technologies and social systems. I guess the big three now are US Russia China. The mid 1930s infrastructure building in the US set it up to become the manufacturing power house for the next few decades. Putin looked at the early democracy of the US, the democracy you write of at times.
Looking at America now, it is like picking pearls out of pig shit. But China and Russia have picked out a few pearls. There are aspects to historical America that cannot be likened to the America of today.
There are aspects of historical Anglo america that are very much not good, other aspects that were world leading.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 21:14 utc | 99
Sorry to hurt feeling publicdisorder #8,
Ukraine is a backwardass place, plundered is a polite way of saying rape. Zelensky may get an honorary doctorate and Noble prize to increase his ego not IQ. Like all wars, the rich ran away cheerleading on the fight.
You do realize, Zelensky has a warehouse of flags, a shitload! They told him no. Don’t go full Nazi. think how crazy this guy is and how long we’re going to have to put up with his shit
Posted by: Real Truth | May 10 2023 21:17 utc | 100