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May 9, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-110
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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” At least Andy successfully amuses…. Your self-proclaimed “valid points”, are merely tiresome and tendentious Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:16 utc | 201 ” @35. Of course it’s a declaration of war, but what do you want? A nuclear exchange? Complete destruction of all of Europe from Bath to the Urals? Do you really think Putin and Xi don’t know what’s going on? Stop being a fuckwit. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:22 utc | 202
Is that a dangerous development for Russia? Posted by: srbin | May 10 2023 9:24 utc | 203 ” then why not test the great reset in Ukraine? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:24 utc | 204
Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 8:46 utc | 191 Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 9:26 utc | 205
Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 9:29 utc | 206 ” Impoverishing the citizenry does have its limitations as a strategy LOL Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:30 utc | 207 Its TRUE and what’s more the Ukies were so clever they
source: https://t.me/CyberspecNews/30175 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 9:32 utc | 208 After the attempted assasination of writer Zakar Prilepine, I think I am becoming a pseudo-Russo-hawk. I cannot understand why the Duma doesn’t label the current government terrorist (the man who placed the bomb admitted he was working for Ukraine – followed by Budannov’s call to kill all Russians everywhere). I cannot understand why Viktor Yanukovich doesn’t form a government in exile that could take over the rump Ukraine.And finally form under the auspices of the CIS an international war crimes tribunal (a real one)to press charges against the Zelenskyy clique. Multipolar means multipolar justice as well. I would add as a PS that China is also suffering from this “too polite” syndrome. After his lengthy Posted by: Stierlitz | May 10 2023 9:33 utc | 209
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/61848 Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 9:37 utc | 210 Down South | May 10 2023 9:26 utc | 204 Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 9:41 utc | 211 @ Deplorable Commissar | 198
Is explaining “it” really necessary to observe it? And, isn’t the establishment always promoting some narrative? Posted by: anon1 | May 10 2023 9:44 utc | 212 srbin #9:24 utc | 202 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 9:44 utc | 213 Ed @ 36 Is that a dangerous development for Russia? Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 9:48 utc | 215 Stierlitz | May 10 2023 9:33 utc | 208 Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 9:51 utc | 216 @DC #198 Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | May 10 2023 9:55 utc | 217 Duh, did I miss the Uke counter-offensive? Hopefully I get to watch the next one. I guess they saved a lot of lives in the last one. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 10:01 utc | 218
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:16 utc | 200 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 10:03 utc | 219 Noam A. Larkey # 9:55 utc | 216 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 10:08 utc | 220 srbin #9:24 utc | 202 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 10:22 utc | 221 The Russian flanks are vulnerable and Prigozhin and many bloggers have been saying this for weeks. Posted by: ostrr | May 10 2023 10:26 utc | 222
Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 9:26 utc | 204 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 10:32 utc | 223 ” Voting rights for IMF members are not equal, as can be seen from the table here: https://www.imf.org/en/About/executive-board/members-quotas Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 10:35 utc | 224 @ anon2020 | May 10 2023 7:20 utc | 173 Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 10:37 utc | 225 ” Being Latino does not rule out being a Nazi/Fascist Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 10:37 utc | 226 ” Earlier, starting at this link one could see a long stream of images of the murderer apparently and clearly valorizing Nazi ideology. Now much seems to have already been disappeared: Twitter_Scott_Adams Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 10:43 utc | 227 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 10:37 utc | 225 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 11:01 utc | 228 Posted by: ForYouAndy | May 10 2023 10:58 utc | 227 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 11:03 utc | 229 ” Its “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.” Posted by: StirThePot | May 10 2023 11:05 utc | 230 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 10 2023 0:34 utc | 114
The Ukrainian strategy is mindless.
Cauldron. Plate. Skillet. Whatever you call it is not working out well for the Ukrainians. Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 11:05 utc | 231 Posted by: ForYouAndy | May 10 2023 10:58 utc | 227
Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 11:03 utc | 229 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 11:12 utc | 232 @ Milites | May 9 2023 21:07 utc | 71 Posted by: John Kennard | May 10 2023 11:13 utc | 233 Deplorable Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 11:16 utc | 234 William Gruff @ 225 Posted by: Mark2 | May 10 2023 11:17 utc | 235 … RF should act openly and direct, and they do have all kinds of various EW systems also some unknown ones as a part of their combat avionics packages. Posted by: anon2020 | May 10 2023 11:17 utc | 236 unimperator | May 9 2023 18:27 utc | 23 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 10 2023 11:22 utc | 237 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 10 2023 11:22 utc | 237 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 11:28 utc | 238 From TASS: https://tass.com/world/1615231
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 11:29 utc | 239 whirlX @ 224
The west will do much more than scream. My totally off hand guess is that the Moskva tired something like this, to interfere with NATO AWACS and USA Global Hawks. From what I read the Moskva had been refitted as an EW ship. Maybe there was a tacit agreement that RF doesn’t interfere with the international air space over the Black Sea and the USA/UK won’t go after their ships. Maybe the Moskva over stepped that boundary? Russia doesn’t have any easy strategy against NATO air surveillance outside its legal air space at least not without serious escalation, which is exactly what the Pentagon wants and RF is trying to avoid. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 11:32 utc | 240 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 11:29 utc | 239 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 11:35 utc | 241
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 10:32 utc | 222 Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 11:42 utc | 242 [237] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 243 ” If relevant agreements are reached, the US and the UN would have to approve each transaction. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 244 In response to Deplorable Commissar@226, Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 245 ” I make no predictions. Sauron still wields great power. May God defend the right! Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 11:48 utc | 246 ” As to him being Hispanic, thus presumably a descendant of West-European settlers, how would that prevent him from identifying as white or some other arbitrarily superior stock? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 11:50 utc | 247 @ uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 1:11 utc | 122 Posted by: John Kennard | May 10 2023 11:53 utc | 248 In response to Deplorable Commissar@247, Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 11:55 utc | 249 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 11:35 utc | 241 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 12:00 utc | 250 The so called left of today. The rainbow flag. Sewer that cannot differentiate between sewage and socialism. Ahh, I put a spoon of cajun spice in my broth. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 12:02 utc | 251 Interestingly enough, Wikipedia has updated that general Syrsky (commands Bakhmut sector of Ukraine forces) has died on May 10th in Bakhmut. Posted by: unimperator | May 10 2023 12:05 utc | 252 Thats why the US has been fractured into a giant, non-homogeneous, dung pile of competing groups and interests only held back ,from killing each other, by the massive stick of the US security apparatus. Once thats gone, the events in the US will make the Bolshevik revolution look like a kids show as the scores that need to be settled are numerous. Posted by: John2007 | May 10 2023 12:06 utc | 253 @ Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 12:02 utc | 251 Posted by: too scents | May 10 2023 12:09 utc | 254 Francisco Franco doesn’t look very Aryan either. for that matter, neither did Hitler. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 12:18 utc | 255 In response to Deplorable Commissar@247, Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 12:24 utc | 256 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 11:50 utc | 247 Posted by: Caveman | May 10 2023 12:32 utc | 257 Throughout American history “white” has been at least as much a descriptor of social acceptability as a descriptor of race. Circa 1900 the Irish immigrants were not regarded as “white” by the American Anglos. The Irish became “white” more or less at the same time as the post-WWI influx of Mediterraneans. Posted by: malenkov | May 10 2023 12:32 utc | 258 @ anon2020 | May 10 2023 11:17 utc | 236 Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 12:33 utc | 259 Not a good look Russia. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 10 2023 12:33 utc | 260 https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/30327?single Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 10 2023 12:34 utc | 261 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 10 2023 11:22 utc | 237 Posted by: laguerre | May 10 2023 12:40 utc | 262 Ukraine’s delayed counteroffensive has just begun. Ukies are trying to cut off Russian troops’ water supply and fuel supply. Russia needs to deploy plenty of snipers to hunt Ukies crossing the Dniper river in small units. Posted by: Jason | May 10 2023 12:49 utc | 263
Is that clever from Russia’s side? Posted by: srbin | May 10 2023 12:53 utc | 264 Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:22 utc | 201
It’s a shame you don’t take your own advice. Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | May 10 2023 12:55 utc | 265 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 12:00 utc | 250 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 13:00 utc | 266 Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 245
At least in the last two centuries the biggest killers of ‘whites’ have been actual “white” white supremacists … Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 13:02 utc | 267 Posted by: The Dolphin | May 10 2023 7:00 utc | 164 Posted by: John2007 | May 10 2023 13:03 utc | 268 @SwissArmyMan 37 Posted by: AG | May 10 2023 13:03 utc | 269 Posted by: srbin | May 10 2023 12:53 utc | 264
It’s always been the way they operate. “Keep them talking in the front while moving forces into place in the rear …” Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 13:06 utc | 270 @Steven Starr 116 Posted by: AG | May 10 2023 13:16 utc | 271 sry, wrong number: Posted by: AG | May 10 2023 13:18 utc | 272
I want to believe… Posted by: shadowbanned | May 10 2023 13:23 utc | 273
Unfortunately, the term “scientist” has multiple meanings. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 10 2023 13:26 utc | 274 ” At least in the last two centuries the biggest killers of ‘whites’ have been actual “white” white supremacists … Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 13:31 utc | 275
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45341 Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 13:36 utc | 276 ” Without access to SWIFT African countries and places like Pakistan cannot PAY for grain imports or fertiliser imports. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 13:40 utc | 277
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 13:00 utc | 266 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 13:40 utc | 278 I love this forum! Someone please pour me another drink, lol Posted by: John2007 | May 10 2023 13:43 utc | 279 Looks like the Russians were bluffing with the Kinzhals, they not very fast at all, the only thing they seem to be able to due is blow things up……useless really…..oh, wait, well maybe that’s what they’re for….hmm…… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 10 2023 13:47 utc | 280 Arch Bungle @ 241
Maybe it’s a big deal to Turkey, multi billions, they do a lot of the processing, probably well connected very lucrative private contacts tied to state influence and largesse. Both Russia and EU need Turkey’s good graces, Turkey doesn’t seem to have or want friends just interests, which, looking around, isn’t all that dumb.
That’s probably Ruskie psyops, I’m sure it’s no more or less toxic than the rest of the big agra crap all us plebs around the world are sold and fed. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 13:53 utc | 281 Agree on China. I order directly from China to my door, totally forget using Amazon anymore. Posted by: John2007 | May 10 2023 13:58 utc | 282 To all that are hot and bothered about the ” White Supremacist “, obviously, non-White shooter. My final thoughts on this topic: Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 14:00 utc | 283 I thought I would stop by MoA and see how the Putin sycophants, who uncritically accept any propaganda coming from Russia, were characterizing the catastrophic debacle that is the SMO. Posted by: Longhorn | May 10 2023 14:06 utc | 284 @shadowbanned 275 Posted by: AG | May 10 2023 14:08 utc | 285 The Narrative: Russia must rest the narrative from Zelenskyy. He gets up in front of a camera and talks about democracy and it flies into the MSM. Russia has to pull out the rug somehow. That is why it is critical to set up a war crimes tribunal to process the TONS of evidence against him and his regime. Terror, assasination, ethnic cleansing, I think there is a good case against François Hollande and Angela Merkel for their Minsk lies,Petro Poroshenko and the rest. Posted by: Stierlitz | May 10 2023 14:13 utc | 286 Deplorable Commissar @ 278
It has very little to do with clever s/w engineers this stuff is very complex to make function properly, the interconnectedness and iron clad reliability are what matter, there can be no bugs – good luck selling people on the beta and transition. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 14:14 utc | 287 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 13:53 utc | 282 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 14:16 utc | 288 In response to Deplorable Commissar@284, Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 14:22 utc | 289 John2007 @ 283
Ooo, interesting! I wonder if that’s among the reasons Amazon is doing its down delivery? Till just now I figured it was to save money to maintain its free shipping lure. Once it has its own global delivery network Amazon can start using its clout legit or nefarious to impede all other sellers. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 14:24 utc | 290 too scents | May 10 2023 12:09 utc | 254
That should be “horde”, unless it’s a pun, in which case I like it ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | May 10 2023 14:32 utc | 291 West of England Andy @ 289 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 14:40 utc | 292 The ignorance gets worse with more comments, a level of drunk fools. Texas oil and Russia oil and Ukraine oil are one big happy family. Blind ignorance, or just not wanting to know. Humans are the worst creatures and deserve no remorse. Posted by: Ignorant humans | May 10 2023 14:45 utc | 293 Posted by: Skiffer @ 290 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 14:51 utc | 294 So far I have refrained from name calling or ad hominem, but Deplorable Commissar continues to push the boundaries of attention seeking behavior. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2023 14:58 utc | 295 ” Anyway, good job defending the natural order of white superiority over the lesser races on the internet. You’ve earned your temporary place in the hierarchy as an honorary white person, though make sure not to exceed your allowance. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 14:58 utc | 296 Posted by: Longhorn | May 10 2023 14:06 utc | 285 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2023 15:00 utc | 297 “…most of the Bolsheviks or Stalin and his gang weren’t White. Posted by: bevin | May 10 2023 15:01 utc | 298 In response to LightYearsFromHome@295, Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 15:03 utc | 299 Also, learn how to capitalize White. Thanks for your cooperation. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2023 15:04 utc | 300 |
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