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May 9, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-110

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” At least Andy successfully amuses…. Your self-proclaimed “valid points”, are merely tiresome and tendentious
Posted by: Melaleuca | May 9 2023 22:48 utc | 102 ”
Some of you are disingenuous fools who constantly bitch about orgs like the IMF. However, when I point out that China and Russia are full dues paying members, who must / should have influence on its policies you are to chicken shit to address the points. Fair enough, but quit bitching about those same org’s maleficence.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:16 utc | 201

” @35. Of course it’s a declaration of war, but what do you want? A nuclear exchange? Complete destruction of all of Europe from Bath to the Urals? Do you really think Putin and Xi don’t know what’s going on? Stop being a fuckwit.
Posted by: Inki | May 10 2023 9:07 utc | 197 ”
” Its “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:22 utc | 202

Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2023 4:03 utc | 152
Some way to the south of Bakhmut, Russian forces in a small section pulled back the a canal or water channel that is a natural defense line.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1V8NzjQkzMOhpuLhkktbiKgodOQ27X6IV&ll=48.52793361522355%2C37.89605790652536&z=14
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 7:04 utc | 167

Is that a dangerous development for Russia?

Posted by: srbin | May 10 2023 9:24 utc | 203

” then why not test the great reset in Ukraine?
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 8:59 utc | 195 ”
If you think thats great, you’ll really love whats concurrently going on in Russia. Have a great 2030 .

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:24 utc | 204

It looks more like Zaluzhny was excluded and they wanted this to be public info.

Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 8:46 utc | 191
The point of the TG is that the US is creating an image of Zaluzhny as a man of action fighting a war who doesn’t have time for fluff.
Unlike Zelensky who’s doing foreign travels, photoshoots etc. who’s full of bluster.
Meaning they’re cultivating Zaluzhny’s image so when the time comes to cash in Zelensky there will be no fuss when Zaluzhny takes charge.
That’s why there is heavy friction between Zaluzhny and Zelensky.

Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 9:26 utc | 205

The redistribution launched by the Office of the President a long time ago has also reached the “patriotic” politicians and the media. Now the searches have taken place in the publication Dumskaya (Odessa), which belongs to the People’s Deputy Alexei Goncharenko (BPP).
Previously, Goncharenko knew how to sit beautifully on three chairs at once and take money from everyone at once. On Bankovaya, Poroshenko, Akhmetov and so on. But Aleksey turned on his appetite and began to massively plunder literally everything in Odessa and the region. Through the schemes, the lands of sanatoriums, state property, etc. were withdrawn. Everything was bought for a penny, and then sold for millions. His circle grew rich…
Alexei’s problem is that he shared little with the office staff. Although in 2020-2022 everything suited the Kyiv patrons, but in 2023 their goal was a complete purge of all political competitors. According to our data, Goncharenko’s leak is not about money (the reason is not that he gave a small kickback to Bankovaya or did not work out the OP’s narratives well), the reason is that Zelensky Yermak is building a dictatorship (elections are coming soon).

https://t.me/legitimniy/15304

Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 9:29 utc | 206

” Impoverishing the citizenry does have its limitations as a strategy LOL
Posted by: Exile | May 10 2023 8:52 utc | 192 ”
Thats why the US has been fractured into a giant, non-homogeneous, dung pile of competing groups and interests only held back ,from killing each other, by the massive stick of the US security apparatus. Once thats gone, the events in the US will make the Bolshevik revolution look like a kids show as the scores that need to be settled are numerous.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:30 utc | 207

Its TRUE and what’s more the Ukies were so clever they set up the fake prop pictured the missile snuggling into a fake lawn.

The Americans say the report about the Kinzhal (Dagger) downing is true….but the pic the Ukr posted originally I find very doubtful

source: https://t.me/CyberspecNews/30175
You can go there and even see a very decorated and stern USA war criminal vouch for it. Maybe I might subscribe to Popular Mechanics next 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 9:32 utc | 208

After the attempted assasination of writer Zakar Prilepine, I think I am becoming a pseudo-Russo-hawk. I cannot understand why the Duma doesn’t label the current government terrorist (the man who placed the bomb admitted he was working for Ukraine – followed by Budannov’s call to kill all Russians everywhere). I cannot understand why Viktor Yanukovich doesn’t form a government in exile that could take over the rump Ukraine.And finally form under the auspices of the CIS an international war crimes tribunal (a real one)to press charges against the Zelenskyy clique. Multipolar means multipolar justice as well. I would add as a PS that China is also suffering from this “too polite” syndrome. After his lengthy
conversation with Xi Jinping, Zelenskyy tried to bomb the Kremlin and then was so scared that he disappeared. Seems he wasn’t very convinced by Xi.

Posted by: Stierlitz | May 10 2023 9:33 utc | 209

🇪🇺🇺🇦🇷🇺Josep Borrel: without Western support, Ukraine would have to surrender within a few days
At the same time, the head of the European Union’s foreign policy service claimed that the EU “is not a belligerent party” in the conflict, since it “does not interfere directly”
The head of the EU Foreign Policy Service, Josep Borrel, called for further Western support for Ukraine, because, in his opinion, without it Kiev would have to surrender within a few days.
“We need to continue to help Ukraine,” he stressed, speaking on Wednesday night in an interview with the Sexta TV channel. “I know how to end the war immediately: I stop providing military assistance to Ukraine, and Ukraine must surrender within a few days,” the head of EU diplomacy said. “And that’s it, the war is over.”
At the same time, Borrel argued that the EU “is not a beligerent party in the conflict”, since it “does not interfere directly.”
“Those who say: “I want peace, and to achieve it, the best thing is for the Europeans to stop helping Ukraine,” to be honest, I do not know what kind of world they live in,” he added.
At the same time, according to Borrell, Ukraine in this case “will turn into a puppet country, like Belarus, deprived of its freedoms.”

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/61848

Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 9:37 utc | 210

Down South | May 10 2023 9:26 utc | 204
Ok, I understand the idea now.

Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 9:41 utc | 211

@ Deplorable Commissar | 198

You should do more research before posting. Please explain how a Latino / Hispanic who mainly shot Whites and Asians is a ” White Supremacist Nazi ” ? The establishment is obviously covering its tracks to protect a narrative.

Is explaining “it” really necessary to observe it? And, isn’t the establishment always promoting some narrative?
Earlier, starting at this link one could see a long stream of images of the murderer apparently and clearly valorizing Nazi ideology. Now much seems to have already been disappeared: Twitter_Scott_Adams

Posted by: anon1 | May 10 2023 9:44 utc | 212

srbin #9:24 utc | 202
“Is that a dangerous development for Russia?”
The Russian force on the south flank withdrew a little under pressure and it may even reverse in 24 hours or so. Who knows? If Ukraine terrorist forces continue to advance there then it could be a threat but only if that point was stormed by a considerable terrorist force. And then that advance would be a turkey shoot for RUAF.
The front line is pretty elastic most of the time so wait and see what the next day or two brings. Remember there is a large Chechen force moving into place there right now so either they or the relieved Wagners might level the line before they take a much needed R&R break.
Time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 9:44 utc | 213

Ed @ 36
Kennedy claims he started his vax campaigns during his mercury in water campaigns when mothers of vaccine damaged children continually confronted him with the information about mercury in existing vaccines. Years ago. His work can be seen on the Children’s Health Defence website. And I would vote for him if I could.

Posted by: Inki | May 10 2023 9:47 utc | 214

Is that a dangerous development for Russia?
Posted by: srbin | May 10 2023 9:24 utc | 202
Dangerous for Russia? How?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 9:48 utc | 215

Stierlitz | May 10 2023 9:33 utc | 208
EU and UK will put Wagners on terrorist list. Macaron demands it because of Africa probably, then they can bomb nations who host them. Look at a few from latest news: “AFU fired at the Druzhba oil pipeline in the Bryansk region. Holes were found on three storage tanks for petroleum products, but they were empty”, “Five saboteurs from 15 to 21 years old were detained for trying to blow up equipment in a military unit in Balashikha”, “2 drones fail in attempted attack on Russian military base near Voronezh”, “Shelling in Shebekino, Belgorod”

Posted by: rk | May 10 2023 9:51 utc | 216

@DC #198
Being Latino does not rule out being a Nazi/Fascist white supremacist. There are plenty of Latinos who identify with Hitler, Franco, Pinochet and other fascist ideologues.

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | May 10 2023 9:55 utc | 217

Don’t consider this counter offensive as the last, because we don’t know what will come of it. And if we succeed in this counter-offensive and liberate our territories, then you will say: yes, it was the last one, but if not, then this means that we must prepare for the next counter-offensive,” the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said.

Duh, did I miss the Uke counter-offensive? Hopefully I get to watch the next one. I guess they saved a lot of lives in the last one.
It gives a whole new meaning to ‘having a quickie’ 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 10:01 utc | 218

China and Russia are full dues paying members, who must / should have influence on its policies

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:16 utc | 200
Voting rights for IMF members are not equal, as can be seen from the table here: https://www.imf.org/en/About/executive-board/members-quotas
When it comes to the 24-member Executive Board of the IMF things are even more skewed against Russia and China: https://www.imf.org/en/About/executive-board/eds-voting-power

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 10:03 utc | 219

Noam A. Larkey # 9:55 utc | 216
“Pinochet and other fascist ideologues.”
Thank you and it is worth noting that a large number of German nazis were hastily transported to Chile after WW2 and displaced the indigenes to set up their homeland there. Undoubtedly they influenced the rise and rise of Pinochet. Joe Rogan interviewed a USA reporter who travelled there and investigated the southern regions. It was all part of the USA plan to screw south america.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 10:08 utc | 220

srbin #9:24 utc | 202
Weeb Union has a brief discussion and analysis here. Three hours old.
The Russian flanks are vulnerable and Prigozhin and many bloggers have been saying this for weeks.
Yes, it is a poor situation and potentially catastrophic for the local sector but that depends entirely what is in the Russian background for a rapid reinforcement or comprehensive maneuver.
I trust that helps.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 10:22 utc | 221

The Russian flanks are vulnerable and Prigozhin and many bloggers have been saying this for weeks.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 10:22 utc | 220
How do you know, all that is not just maskirowka?

Posted by: ostrr | May 10 2023 10:26 utc | 222

Meaning they’re cultivating Zaluzhny’s image so when the time comes to cash in Zelensky there will be no fuss when Zaluzhny takes charge.

Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 9:26 utc | 204
That’s exactly the vibe I’ve been picking up from your posts quoting the ‘Legitimny’ channel (thanks, btw, for your continuing efforts).
I suppose all that needs to be decided is how the US will instigate the change? Some sort of civilian unrest, giving Zelensky the chance to flee, with Zaluzhny ‘reluctantly’ stepping forward on an ‘interim basis? Or a military uprising leading to a coup (and an uncertain future for Zelensky), aggravated by lack of meaningful success in any offensive direction?

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 10:32 utc | 223

” Voting rights for IMF members are not equal, as can be seen from the table here: https://www.imf.org/en/About/executive-board/members-quotas
When it comes to the 24-member Executive Board of the IMF things are even more skewed against Russia and China: https://www.imf.org/en/About/executive-board/eds-voting-power
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 10:03 utc | 218 ”
So China and Russia surrendered some their sovereignty to organization in which they dont even have an equal vote ? And we call the US dumb ?
” Each member nation publicly accepts and supports the goal of global economic stability and, in theory, a subjugation of some sovereign authority to support that goal ”

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 10:35 utc | 224

@ anon2020 | May 10 2023 7:20 utc | 173
You’d think it wouldn’t be too difficult for Russian EW expert to fit out a cargo plane or two with directional jamming equipment and blinding lasers to counter NATO air surveillance assets. They wouldn’t be any use in a real fight but neither would NATO’s birds and they would fit the current pushing and shoving. Just run jammers in rotation while gradually turning up the power.
Those EW systems can be detected by NATO AWACS-ISR sensors.
So I do not think it is a good idea to act covertly mixed in between commercial airlines routes. This is what NATO does with their ISR missions, and then jump out of it for some time coming and scanning way too close to RF. Israeli combat missions attacking Syria are hiding behind civilian air traffic, too.
RF should act openly and direct, and they do have all kinds of various EW systems also some unknown ones as a part of their combat avionics packages.
To lessen the damage caused by NATO ISR, the first step should be to push them as far as it goes over the Black Sea and away from Crimea and the whole Russian Black Sea coast. Intercepts and aggressive patrol missions help there, but to neuter those that push their luck and crossing the perimeters set by RF Aerospace forces, RF should show no mercy there.
The amount of the damage that NATO caused to RF by flying their airborne ISR missions is huge. There are not many options on what to do there but deter using EW, intercept, scare it away and if that is not helping take it down.
The West will scream for a few hours, but so what?
What I see is that NATO ignores the “red lines” as they are not there, and RF’s reaction appears as a rather tame.
Right now, above Romanian Black Sea coast, Italian stratotanker and 1 AWACS are substituting US and RAF there. Surely some combat jets are also hidden, but flying about.
French Air Force Beech King Air 350ER is pushing its luck flying and sensing a way too close to the combat area. US AWACS are circling around Kaliningrad and Belorussian border with Poland is scanned by Polish Boarder Guards plane. There might be some hidden ISR drones flying around and above the Black Sea, too.
But again, what we know about the real happenings in the air or on the ground is just too little to make any valid analysis, but only approximation and a great deal of imagination.
But one thing is for sure – there is a great need to disable NATO’s airborne ISR.

Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 10:37 utc | 225

” Being Latino does not rule out being a Nazi/Fascist
*** white supremacist ***. ”
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | May 10 2023 9:55 utc | 216 ”
Do you know how dumb that sounds ? Please stop.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 10:37 utc | 226

” Earlier, starting at this link one could see a long stream of images of the murderer apparently and clearly valorizing Nazi ideology. Now much seems to have already been disappeared: Twitter_Scott_Adams
Posted by: anon1 | May 10 2023 9:44 utc | 211 ”
With all the “on the fly ” A.I. image, audio, website, and written word manipulation software available you still believe what the US/ CIA media is feeding you. Like I said , he killed mainly Whites and Asians very ” White supremacist ” of him.
Logic must be going extinct where you live.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 10:43 utc | 227

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 10:37 utc | 225
you ever hear of all the fascists in South and Central America? why do you think the nazis fled to South America?

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 11:01 utc | 228

Posted by: ForYouAndy | May 10 2023 10:58 utc | 227
oh christ not another of you cheap US shills, are they paying you a dime an hour?

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 11:03 utc | 229

” Its “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”
Above Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:22 utc | 201
Had you taken your own advice your severe case of verbal diarrhea in this thread would not have turned you into the Ignorable Commissar. Buh-bye.

Posted by: StirThePot | May 10 2023 11:05 utc | 230

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 10 2023 0:34 utc | 114

Ukranazistan has recaptured 3 square km of Artëmovsk both according to …

The Ukrainian strategy is mindless.
What do they “recapture”?
They recapture a slaughterhouse floor, where the shelters have been levelled, the remains mined and booby trapped, the cratered hellscape mapped and observed.
They only recapture their own graves.

How’s that “operational cauldron” thing working out for the copium addicts?

Cauldron. Plate. Skillet. Whatever you call it is not working out well for the Ukrainians.
Even your level of doomerism needs to face that empirical fact.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 11:05 utc | 231

Posted by: ForYouAndy | May 10 2023 10:58 utc | 227
And what rock did you crawl out from under?
~~~

are they paying you a dime an hour?

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 11:03 utc | 229
They’re not getting very good value for money, looking at today’s poor efforts so far!

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 11:12 utc | 232

@ Milites | May 9 2023 21:07 utc | 71
Excellent dynamite-fishing material.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 10 2023 11:13 utc | 233

Deplorable
I have to commend you on your honesty in your fictional username.
uncle tungsten
So few remember those men at Barcaldine. My forbears were the same. I am the same. They were conservative workers vs the capitalists.
In the modern west, that has morphed into a GMO creature.
I have lived most my life in the natural world. Plants and trees drop seeds, animals shag and make babies, but this so called progressive world is something else.
The ideologies are meaningless. Aboriginal society goes back so far, they understood the dangers of inbreeding and much else. The neighbors dogs… just one bad apple and theyey are all hard at it trying to fertilize turds.
So called western society. So far removed from those shearers at Barcaldine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 11:16 utc | 234

William Gruff @ 225
Just can’t help ya self can ya gruffy.
Jekyll and Hyde.
At least he didn’t have mobile phones.
Another thread derailment.
You need psychiatryatric help.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 10 2023 11:17 utc | 235

… RF should act openly and direct, and they do have all kinds of various EW systems also some unknown ones as a part of their combat avionics packages.

But one thing is for sure – there is a great need to disable NATO’s airborne ISR.
Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 10:37 utc | 224

Yes, agreed on all points, in suggesting refitted cargo planes I didn’t mean to imply that RF should try to conceal its actions or fly amongst civilian traffic. I was thinking of military aircraft flying within RF declared airspace to provide targeted airborne suppression of NATO surveillance flights.
The current warm’ish phase of provocative surveillance flights and obvious / admitted provision of targeting to UA does seem to call for more than we’ve seen so far, something between demeaning rhetoric and physical interdiction.
In any case, this would only be an airborne version of RF’s existing ground based EW capabilities.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 10 2023 11:17 utc | 236

unimperator | May 9 2023 18:27 utc | 23
IMHO there was no winter (Russian) offensive because the very mild winter which saved Western Europeans from freezing also stopped the ground freezing solid for any length of time.
That mud really has to be seen to be believed, and makes offensives very difficult for either side.
Btw, is it just me, or is Tim Garton Ash either a cretin, a paid NATO agent, or both?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/10/west-opportunity-risk-ukraine-counteroffensive
The next six months will be decisive. If, come next winter, Ukrainian forces are still bogged down halfway, the west may not deliver a comparable military boost for another offensive next spring… the alternative, perhaps unlikely but still possible, is a decisive Ukrainian victory.
Isn’t there at least another two alternatives?
a) Ukraine offensive crushed, front lines still static.
b) Russia in Odessa and headed for Transnistria?
I make no predictions. Sauron still wields great power. May God defend the right!

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 10 2023 11:22 utc | 237

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 10 2023 11:22 utc | 237
if he writes for the Guardian, he is at least a paid NATO agent

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 11:28 utc | 238

From TASS: https://tass.com/world/1615231

Talks between Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, UN kick off in Istanbul on extending grain deal
ANKARA, May 10. /TASS/. Negotiations between Russia, Ukraine, Turkey and the United Nations on extending the Black Sea grain deal, and fulfilling the Russian part of the agreement pertaining to grain and fertilizer deliveries, will kick off in Istanbul on Wednesday and are expected to last two days, the Turkish Defense Ministry said.
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Vershinin will participate in the high-level talks on the grain deal. Additionally, it is possible that UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres will also take part. May 11 is expected to be the key day of the negotiations.
Russia’s legitimate demands
The talks are expected to focus mainly on the start of implementation of the Russian part of the agreement under the overall grain deal framework, which provides for exports of agricultural products and fertilizers from Russia. Previously, Moscow repeatedly noted that, if this part remains unfulfilled, the grain deal would not be extended. Ankara earlier said that Moscow’s demands are absolutely legitimate and should be fulfilled unquestionably.
Another important issue is reconnecting the Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT and lifting restrictions on banking and insurance guarantees. As Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu pointed out earlier, the extension of the grain deal would depend on taking these demands by Russia into consideration.
Additionally, a diplomatic source told TASS that the Istanbul meeting will also address the issue of drafting a plan for the safe evacuation of Turkish merchant vessels that are stuck in Ukrainian ports due to Russia’s special military operation. While most of these vessels have already returned home, about 10 Turkish ships still remain stranded in Ukraine.
Participation of Turkish banks
The Turkish Foreign Ministry earlier said that Guterres had suggested that Turkey’s state-owned Ziraat Bank process payments for Russian grain and fertilizer sales.
Ankara insists that it could support this proposal if guarantees are given that no threats to the Turkish bank would emerge. As an informed source told TASS, the technicalities of this issue will be discussed at the four-party talks in Istanbul.
That said, a high-ranking Turkish official told Reuters earlier that Ziraat Bank would serve as “an intermediary to [a given] transaction with the written approval and commissioning of the United States and the United Nations,” as was the case with US-based JP Morgan. This will not be implemented without written approval. If relevant agreements are reached, the US and the UN would have to approve each transaction.
About the grain deal
On July 22, 2022, a set of documents on supplies of food and fertilizers to the international market was signed in Istanbul. Initially, the agreements were concluded for 120 days and in November 2022, the deal was extended for the same number of days. On March 18, Russia announced the extension of the grain deal for 60 days, saying this would be enough time to assess the effectiveness of the memorandum signed with the UN.
The Russian Foreign Ministry pointed out that any decision on extending the deal would depend on reconnecting the Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT; resuming supplies of agricultural equipment, spare parts and maintenance service; lifting restrictions on insurance and re-insurance as well as the ban on port access; resuming the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline; and unblocking the foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies involved in producing and transporting food and fertilizers.

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 11:29 utc | 239

whirlX @ 224

To lessen the damage caused by NATO ISR, the first step should be to push them as far as it goes over the Black Sea and away from Crimea and the whole Russian Black Sea coast…. The West will scream for a few hours, but so what?… What I see is that NATO ignores the “red lines” as they are not there, and RF’s reaction appears as a rather tame…. But one thing is for sure – there is a great need to disable NATO’s airborne ISR.

The west will do much more than scream. My totally off hand guess is that the Moskva tired something like this, to interfere with NATO AWACS and USA Global Hawks. From what I read the Moskva had been refitted as an EW ship. Maybe there was a tacit agreement that RF doesn’t interfere with the international air space over the Black Sea and the USA/UK won’t go after their ships. Maybe the Moskva over stepped that boundary? Russia doesn’t have any easy strategy against NATO air surveillance outside its legal air space at least not without serious escalation, which is exactly what the Pentagon wants and RF is trying to avoid.
It’s not impossible that RF avoiding escalation can continue if the vaunted UKR spring summer offensive goes well for NATO. Russia may need to go full Paul Craig Roberts soon, I think that was what the 4 day meeting between Li Shangfu and the heads of the MoD were really about, setting the parameters of escalation. Russia isn’t fighting Ukraine it’s fighting NATO for one precise and clear objective, to get a viable security agreement that returns the ex-Warsaw Pact countries to at least pre 1997 boundaries.
The west seems adamant that there nothing to negotiate, if it should fast track Ukraine into NATO then that’s the tell that there will be no compromise or negotiations, that everything except a battlefield resolution is off the table. That could happen soon depending how the UKR offensive goes. Watch for that, that.
As a last resort Russia does have a fast track resolution to security back to 1991 borders, tactical nuclear strikes against NATO bases in the ex-Warsaw pact, after which the USA either goes strategic or backs down. I wonder if that was discussed with Li Shangfu, the full scope of possibilities if the hybrid aspects of the war, sanctions blowback and dollar decline, fail to upset Atlanticist unity and global corporate compliance to deter the USA?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 11:32 utc | 240

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 11:29 utc | 239
One wonders what the point of this grain deal is at all.
Not even the Europeans want the toxic Ukrainian grain.
I suppose the Russians themselves are just fishing for their own benefit here while the Ukrainians must slowly be realising they’re not going to get much out of the deal in the end.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 11:35 utc | 241

I suppose all that needs to be decided is how the US will instigate the change?

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 10:32 utc | 222
That is a tricky question as Zelensky is aware that the US is priming Zaluzhny to take over. He does everything he can to sabotage Zaluzhny to take some shine off the public image. He’s hoping Syrsky can hold out long enough to become the “Defender of Bhakmut” using him as a counterweight to Zaluzhny.
Zelensky knows that if he doesn’t launch the counterattack he is out. If he does launch the counterattack and it fails (which it will) he is out. But in order to buy himself time (to try turn his personal situation around) , if he can make sure that there is no-one that has the suitable public image to replace him (defender of democracy, western values etc.) it may simply boil down to who shoots whom first.

Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 11:42 utc | 242

[237]
Btw, is it just me, or is Tim Garton Ash either a cretin, a paid NATO agent, or both?
I have for several decades attempted to understand Timothy Garton Ash: I even read some of his books. I looked at his background. I wondered how he generated an income.
That he was/is at St Antony’s, Oxford suggested he was on the Spook payroll – it is after all connected to MI6. Hoover Institution at Stanford is of the same ilke.
I find myself diametrically opposed to views espoused by Timothy Garton Ash. I note he writes in the Guardian – another publication I find impossible to read or digest.
It is rare that I find myself in total revulsion but with both Guardian and Garton Ash that occurs individually and when combined. I really cannot see how he observes facts and gets a prism to distort quite so much.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 243

” If relevant agreements are reached, the US and the UN would have to approve each transaction.
The Russian Foreign Ministry pointed out that any decision on extending the deal would depend on reconnecting the Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT;
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 11:29 utc | 239 ”
Not a good look Russia.
” Please reconnect us to SWIFT ”
” Please approve our transactions US ”

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 244

In response to Deplorable Commissar@226,
Why, what would prevent a white supremacist from killing whites and asians? Maybe they were race traitors and crypto-jews the lot of them.
As to him being Hispanic, thus presumably a descendant of West-European settlers, how would that prevent him from identifying as white or some other arbitrarily superior stock? Just look at East European white supremacists for comparison; not a white person among them.

Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 245

” I make no predictions. Sauron still wields great power. May God defend the right!
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 10 2023 11:22 utc | 237 ”
Not according to the 5D aficionados here.
” Russia can destroy NATO with its hands behind its back, and China is an economic and military powerhouse who’s just toying with the US. ”
However, reality always wins out.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 11:48 utc | 246

” As to him being Hispanic, thus presumably a descendant of West-European settlers, how would that prevent him from identifying as white or some other arbitrarily superior stock?
Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 245 ”
Please look at his photographs before spewing inanities. Its unbecoming.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 11:50 utc | 247

@ uncle tungsten | May 10 2023 1:11 utc | 122
The problem is the Empire lies so constantly, and even brags about it, that its assertions or denials have little credibility.
This reminds me of the Mariupol/Azovstal bag.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 10 2023 11:53 utc | 248

In response to Deplorable Commissar@247,
What am I supposed to learn from his photograph? That he can’t identify as white based on appearance? I’ve seen enough Ukrainian gypsies who identify as Aryan to immunize myself against such non-arguments.
Also, no response to my first point — an obvious concession on your part.

Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 11:55 utc | 249

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 11:35 utc | 241
Must admit I’ve lost sight of what the original intentions of the grain deal were as well. I think it was meant to allow both Russian and Ukrainian grain to continue to be exported to customer nations, particularly those nations in the Global South, with guarantees such as safe passage for vessels across the Black Sea etc.
In the end, however, I have recollections of something of a hushed-up scandal when it emerged that most of the grain had ended up in European silos and warehouses, along with other produce, leading to the destabilisation of existing markets and consequent protests, then import bans being imposed by the countries most affected.
At any rate, I can see one non-starter in the talks outlined by the TASS piece and that is the proposal for Turkish banks to act as intermediaries based on written approval from the US. I can see why the Turks would want such approval, I just can’t see the US or Russia going along with it.

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 12:00 utc | 250

The so called left of today. The rainbow flag. Sewer that cannot differentiate between sewage and socialism. Ahh, I put a spoon of cajun spice in my broth.
But certainly those on the Australian left need to go back to Barcaldine
Now the left is all about faggotry and zero to do with the working man and providing for family.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 12:02 utc | 251

Interestingly enough, Wikipedia has updated that general Syrsky (commands Bakhmut sector of Ukraine forces) has died on May 10th in Bakhmut.
“Oleksandr Stanislavovych Syrskyi (Ukrainian: Олександр Станіславович Сирський; born 26 July 1965, died 10 May 2023) was a Ukrainian military officer.”
https://twitter.com/tommikv/status/1656258886607724544
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Syrskyi

Posted by: unimperator | May 10 2023 12:05 utc | 252

Thats why the US has been fractured into a giant, non-homogeneous, dung pile of competing groups and interests only held back ,from killing each other, by the massive stick of the US security apparatus. Once thats gone, the events in the US will make the Bolshevik revolution look like a kids show as the scores that need to be settled are numerous.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:30 utc | 20
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Indeed Excellent commentary…

Posted by: John2007 | May 10 2023 12:06 utc | 253

@ Peter AU1 | May 10 2023 12:02 utc | 251

Decadence and overabundance have blinded the golden hoard. It will make them easy pickings as the tide goes out.

Posted by: too scents | May 10 2023 12:09 utc | 254

Francisco Franco doesn’t look very Aryan either. for that matter, neither did Hitler.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 10 2023 12:18 utc | 255

In response to Deplorable Commissar@247,
Even better, since we’re looking up people’s photos — look up Ian Miles Cheong. He was a self-affirmed white supremacist back in his irc days, despite being told daily by his chatroom pals that he was subhuman by his own reckoning — for him, white was a mental state. Don’t know if he grew out of it now that he’s a political commentator, but he did grovel and weasel a bit when he became a game journalist.
He wrote a fair number of race-related manifestos but, as far as I know, never hurt anyone. But if he did, there would be authentic chat-logs proving that he was a white supremacist, to go with photos of his brown Malaysian 2,8 face.

Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 12:24 utc | 256

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 11:50 utc | 247
Check out Leo Felton, a Nazi who was gonna bomb the Holocaust memorial in Boston about 20 years ago. He got caught, went to prison. He renounced white supremacy in 2008. Leo Felton is a black man.

Posted by: Caveman | May 10 2023 12:32 utc | 257

Throughout American history “white” has been at least as much a descriptor of social acceptability as a descriptor of race. Circa 1900 the Irish immigrants were not regarded as “white” by the American Anglos. The Irish became “white” more or less at the same time as the post-WWI influx of Mediterraneans.
History repeats itself: a gun-toting Latino is a brown thug unless, of course, he’s aiming it at a Trayvon, marrying into the Bush Crime Family, or sporting a MAGA hat along with the gun.

Posted by: malenkov | May 10 2023 12:32 utc | 258

@ anon2020 | May 10 2023 11:17 utc | 236
I was thinking of military aircraft flying within RF declared airspace to provide targeted airborne suppression of NATO surveillance flights.
Thanks for your clarification and a perspective. Agreed there.
I am sure they do fly something when there is crucial action happening to EW blind NATO’s ISR. But I doubt they do that 24/7. As cleverly, is evoked by:
@ LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 11:32 utc | 240 who says
“…totally off hand guess is that the Moskva tried something like this, to interfere with NATO AWACS and USA Global Hawks. From what I read the Moskva had been refitted as an EW ship. Maybe there was a tacit agreement that RF doesn’t interfere with the international air space over the Black Sea and the USA/UK won’t go after their ships. Maybe the Moskva over stepped that boundary? Russia doesn’t have any easy strategy against NATO air surveillance outside its legal air space at least not without serious escalation, which is exactly what the Pentagon wants and RF is trying to avoid.
True, some of it, sure.
‘Moskva’ was EW and a AD radar station covering good deal of 600km radius. We still do not know was it sunk or had a misfortune onboard.
Also the Snake Island was pretty much deterring to NATO’s ISR there.
But I doubt that there was any deal made, as NATO’s ISR effect is huge there. RF just lost very important positions in the Black Sea.
RF made a NOTAM no-fly zone outside its territorial waters, widening it up to, some say 40 miles, some claim 60 miles + 12 miles own territorial maritime borders.
Whatever it is, those are ‘soft rules’ and I think RF reacts accordingly to which AWACS capacity is used there and how far (close) it’ll go.
I think that RF must sometimes react as expected and show the teeth and not be afraid of an escalation, as one cannot run away from a head-on clash forever.
NATO is much easier scared off, than it is advertised around Combined Media. That has been confirmed when RF took down the drone. There were no ISR flights for a considerable time, and now they slowly creep to where they were before the incident.
Slowly, indeed, RF’s EW units are getting more new equipment and boosting their capacity day in day out.
Also let us not forget that a several RF war ships are hanging about in the North Sea – that is known and a that explains the high NATO activity there. So it is a tit for tat, but IMHO not enough where it matters.
Fyi, and OT – Air Force Two Boeing VC-32A (callsign SAM954) just landed in Hamburg, Germany.
Or Kamala, or dr Jill or Sullivan/Blinken combo or hunk of a Nuland has landed for furthering of spreading democracy and peace in Europe.

Posted by: whirlX | May 10 2023 12:33 utc | 259

Not a good look Russia.
” Please reconnect us to SWIFT ”
” Please approve our transactions US ”
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 244
Without access to SWIFT African countries and places like Pakistan cannot PAY for grain imports or fertiliser imports.
Pakistan is being destroyed by Robert Habeck and EU Green lunacy pricing LNG beyond the reach of countries like Pakistan
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-28/eni-made-550-million-from-cancellation-of-pakistan-lng-contracts
https://finanzmarktwelt.de/pakistan-zahlt-den-preis-fuer-unseren-hunger-nach-lng-248036/
https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/oil-and-gas/pakistan-gas-crisis-to-worsen-in-february-as-supplying-company-backs-out-of-cargo/97269050?redirect=1

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 10 2023 12:33 utc | 260

https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/30327?single
The biggest bad joke about the current conflict is the assertion by Putin cultists and the gasbag armchair generals like the Faker, Larry Johnson, and Martyanov that Russia spent the 8 years from 2014-21 “preparing for war”. Fourteen months into the war that Russia spent 8 years allegedly preparing for, it can’t even coordinate activities between units positioned next to each other? Really?
Today I saw someone on Larry Johnson’s blog claim:
“Whatever problems the Russian army has, the Ukrainian army has twenty-fold.”
This is not a particularly useful remark. Comparing the Russian army which is supposed to have been preparing for war for 8 years (if one believes the armchair generals) with the Ukrainian army (which was, according to the same armchair generals in early February 2022, too drunk, demoralised, and incompetent to fight; and which according to the same armchair generals been destroyed twice over by now) should be unnecessary. The Russian army shouldn’t have had any problems and if there were any they should have been ironed out long before this.
Unless these totally self inflicted problems can be acknowledged, they can’t be fixed. If they are not fixed, the conflict cannot be won. It’s as simple as that.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 10 2023 12:34 utc | 261

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 10 2023 11:22 utc | 237
Timothy Garton Ash is an Atlanticist on policy. He always advises a pro-American policy for Britain. This is because he was a visiting professor at the Hoover Institution in Stanford, where he mixed with Condoleeza, and he may still be a fellow there. To my surprise he got to be Professor of European History in Oxford, but he interprets current European and EU activity entirely in terms of its relationship to the US. It is obvious that his heart is forever in Stanford.

Posted by: laguerre | May 10 2023 12:40 utc | 262

Ukraine’s delayed counteroffensive has just begun. Ukies are trying to cut off Russian troops’ water supply and fuel supply. Russia needs to deploy plenty of snipers to hunt Ukies crossing the Dniper river in small units.
As I said before, attack Kiev. That will get Ukie army units rush north to save it. Attack them in their chaotic retreat.
The bridge between Ukraine and Romania is still functional. It has to go.
Russia has accelerated shell, gunship and tank production. Why not give priority to mass producing Gerans and small drone copters.

Posted by: Jason | May 10 2023 12:49 utc | 263

From TASS: https://tass.com/world/1615231
Talks between Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, UN kick off in Istanbul on extending grain deal

Is that clever from Russia’s side?

Posted by: srbin | May 10 2023 12:53 utc | 264

Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 9:22 utc | 201

Its “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”

It’s a shame you don’t take your own advice.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | May 10 2023 12:55 utc | 265

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 12:00 utc | 250
It appears the grain deal has simply the last remaining forum for negotiation of any sort between the sides and the grain is merely a fig leaf for messier topics.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 13:00 utc | 266

Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 11:44 utc | 245

Why, what would prevent a white supremacist from killing whites and asians?

At least in the last two centuries the biggest killers of ‘whites’ have been actual “white” white supremacists …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 13:02 utc | 267

Posted by: The Dolphin | May 10 2023 7:00 utc | 164
I know you Dolphin professional debater for hire or is business still a slow there in Dakota.

Posted by: John2007 | May 10 2023 13:03 utc | 268

@SwissArmyMan 37
yes, it could be better, but I thought at least pointing at a few issues.
(may be the bar is sometimes the wrong place to post these items, but on the other hand someone new could come by and regard it as helpful and new and perhaps build on that initial info.)
@Deplorable Commissar 41
yeah I was wondering too, how that will work out for them not knowing the material result.
But Norton (see Swiss Army Man) is mostly just guessing too. Its not a deep insider´s piece.
I would like to read THAT.

Posted by: AG | May 10 2023 13:03 utc | 269

Posted by: srbin | May 10 2023 12:53 utc | 264

Is that clever from Russia’s side?

It’s always been the way they operate. “Keep them talking in the front while moving forces into place in the rear …”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 13:06 utc | 270

@Steven Starr 116
met with Postol some time ago. There was so much to discuss I missed out on the hypersonic issue.
I´ll have to catch up on that some other time.
But looking into twitter thread by Pavel Podvig there seem to be a lot of “sientists” and “experts” who don´t live up to the reputation of what science and expertise happen to promise by popular believe (epecially not mixing up ideology.)
So I had to learn the unpleasant lesson, “scientist” in itself means nothing.

Posted by: AG | May 10 2023 13:16 utc | 271

sry, wrong number:
@Steven Starr 106
met with Postol some time ago. There was so much to discuss I missed out on the hypersonic issue.
I´ll have to catch up on that some other time.
But looking into twitter thread by Pavel Podvig there seem to be a lot of “sientists” and “experts” who don´t live up to the reputation of what science and expertise happen to promise by popular believe (especially not mixing up ideology.)
So I had to learn the unpleasant lesson, “scientist” in itself means nothing.

Posted by: AG | May 10 2023 13:18 utc | 272

Rumours that Zaluzhny was killed in one of the Russian strikes:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/85338
Posted by: IvanTheNotSoTerrible | May 10 2023 13:08 utc | 271

I want to believe…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 10 2023 13:23 utc | 273

But looking into twitter thread by Pavel Podvig there seem to be a lot of “sientists” and “experts” who don´t live up to the reputation of what science and expertise happen to promise by popular believe (epecially not mixing up ideology.)
So I had to learn the unpleasant lesson, “scientist” in itself means nothing.
Posted by: AG | May 10 2023 13:16 utc | 272

Unfortunately, the term “scientist” has multiple meanings.
For some it is a higher calling and they adhere to the philosophical ideal of following logic, reason, rationality, and the scientific method in everything.
But those are the small minority.
For the majority, it is just a job, like any other, i.e. one that comes with no such lofty ideals and obligations.
The really deep tragedy here is that the latter are also giving a bad name to the former with their behavior in the eyes of the masses.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 10 2023 13:26 utc | 274

” At least in the last two centuries the biggest killers of ‘whites’ have been actual “white” white supremacists …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 13:02 utc | 267 ”
Your answer has no bearing on the topic on hand. BTW, most of the Bolsheviks or Stalin and his gang weren’t White.
Also, learn how to capitalize White. Thanks for your cooperation.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 13:31 utc | 275

Regarding the rumors about the death of Zaluzhny.
1. Yes, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation covered one of the headquarters with high-ranking officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. This is official information. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not report the death of specific officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If they knew for sure that one of them was Zaluzhny, they would certainly have been informed.
2. Who exactly was there – is unknown, in the public field there is no reliable information about the participants in the meeting. The fact that the Ukrainian generals periodically visit the Donbass is not a secret. In addition to Zaluzhny, Syrky or the same Tantsyura periodically flashed there.
3. Ukraine denies the death of Zaluzhny, but due to the fact that he has not been in the public field for a long time, this gives rise to rumors that he could have suffered from such a blow, especially if he was tracked.
4. Exactly the same story with General Tantsyura, who, according to Prigozhin, could have been in the destroyed off-road vehicle near Chasov Yar, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine denied this, claiming that Tantsyura and “everyone else” (about which Prigozhin did not speak at all) are alive. Who they are is not clear. The dance is still not shown.
Therefore, we are waiting – they will show Zaluzhny or not. The long public absence of Zaluzhny will naturally multiply rumors that he could be killed or wounded. But so far this has not been verified.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45341

Posted by: Down South | May 10 2023 13:36 utc | 276

” Without access to SWIFT African countries and places like Pakistan cannot PAY for grain imports or fertiliser imports.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 10 2023 12:33 utc | 260 ”
Between them, China and Russia have some of the best computer programmers, engineers, scientists, and technicians in the world. China produces top of the line computer and networking hardware. Russia is master of electronics. Are we to believe that they are incapable of producing an alternative to SWIFT, especially since they have been working on one for years now ?
You folks must think the Russians and Chinese are incompetent. I dont.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 13:40 utc | 277

the last remaining forum for negotiation of any sort between the sides

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2023 13:00 utc | 266
Could well be that.
I was quite surprised to see the TASS article; I knew the deal was due to expire on 18th May and I had presumed the parties involved would let it lapse.

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 13:40 utc | 278

I love this forum! Someone please pour me another drink, lol

Posted by: John2007 | May 10 2023 13:43 utc | 279

Looks like the Russians were bluffing with the Kinzhals, they not very fast at all, the only thing they seem to be able to due is blow things up……useless really…..oh, wait, well maybe that’s what they’re for….hmm……
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 10 2023 13:47 utc | 280

Arch Bungle @ 241

One wonders what the point of this grain deal is at all.

Maybe it’s a big deal to Turkey, multi billions, they do a lot of the processing, probably well connected very lucrative private contacts tied to state influence and largesse. Both Russia and EU need Turkey’s good graces, Turkey doesn’t seem to have or want friends just interests, which, looking around, isn’t all that dumb.

Not even the Europeans want the toxic Ukrainian grain.

That’s probably Ruskie psyops, I’m sure it’s no more or less toxic than the rest of the big agra crap all us plebs around the world are sold and fed.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 13:53 utc | 281

Agree on China. I order directly from China to my door, totally forget using Amazon anymore.
Doing my part to quicken the economic collapse here in the States

Posted by: John2007 | May 10 2023 13:58 utc | 282

To all that are hot and bothered about the ” White Supremacist “, obviously, non-White shooter. My final thoughts on this topic:
If he truly considered himself White then he was extremely mentally sick, however, I dont buy that. This is due to the current climate in the US when, For at least the last couple of years, anytime a “person of color” committed a heinous crime or mass shooting, the US media went out of their way to insist that the perp was mentally ill, no matter what the circumstances. This isnt the case with our Latino friend, instead they are driving the NAZI angle to the max. Thats telling in its self. Additionally, go and truly research some of the previous mass shootings in the US, as many of them have many question marks and odd coincidences or occurrences ( I.E. the Las Vegas shooting ).
Like I stated earlier, photos can be altered, websites fabricated, search histories falsified and so forth. At its most innocent, the PTB is just trying to protect the narrative of ” only White men ” commit mass shootings, not the innocent, oppressed POC’s. At worst its another attempt at an agenda.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 14:00 utc | 283

I thought I would stop by MoA and see how the Putin sycophants, who uncritically accept any propaganda coming from Russia, were characterizing the catastrophic debacle that is the SMO.
SNAFU.

Posted by: Longhorn | May 10 2023 14:06 utc | 284

@shadowbanned 275
well, I happened to believe that on matters such as disarmament and NPF, there would be more rationality reigning.
But sometimes Podvig is like the only sane person there. Even if he probably sticks to some political “narratives” out there, we refuse, but I am thankful for anyone who at least follows the chain of argumentative exchange and facts, not prejudiced insult. As seems to be the case among many who are on diplomatic missions. A fucking catastrophe of course.

Posted by: AG | May 10 2023 14:08 utc | 285

The Narrative: Russia must rest the narrative from Zelenskyy. He gets up in front of a camera and talks about democracy and it flies into the MSM. Russia has to pull out the rug somehow. That is why it is critical to set up a war crimes tribunal to process the TONS of evidence against him and his regime. Terror, assasination, ethnic cleansing, I think there is a good case against François Hollande and Angela Merkel for their Minsk lies,Petro Poroshenko and the rest.

Posted by: Stierlitz | May 10 2023 14:13 utc | 286

Deplorable Commissar @ 278

You folks must think the Russians and Chinese are incompetent. I dont.

It has very little to do with clever s/w engineers this stuff is very complex to make function properly, the interconnectedness and iron clad reliability are what matter, there can be no bugs – good luck selling people on the beta and transition.
I’ll bet a round that Swift runs on 50y/o proprietary s/w that anyone sane is scared to fuck with and update. Swift works because of the guarantees that come with decades and even a couple centuries of anglo-sphere plumbing behind the scenes that makes it go round smoothly all with insurance, timeliness, security. That’s what it really rests on not the s/w.
The alternative will happen but it will take time to establish a track record of iron clad reliability. What the alternative will guarantee is that it can’t be wantonly or rancorously fucked with by some dickhead country to it’s benefit – bugs or not that’s the pitch right there.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 14:14 utc | 287

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 13:53 utc | 282
I think the business about ‘toxic grain’ stems from Slovakia’s recent ban on importing Ukrainian grain due to pesticide levels; some details here: https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/slovakia-bans-ukrainian-grain-imports-after-finding-unauthorised-pesticide/

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 10 2023 14:16 utc | 288

In response to Deplorable Commissar@284,
Nice, I’m sure you’ve managed to convince everyone that you’re not hot and bothered about the topic of white supremacy. These CIA planted stories about non-white origin white supremacists give real Slav-origin non-white white supremacists who capitalize White a bad name. What sort of actual white supremacist would shoot at another white person without first finding an arbitrary loophole for why they aren’t actually white? How stupid do the FBI think the public is? Do they think we’re all non-white or something?
Anyway, good job defending the natural order of white superiority over the lesser races on the internet. You’ve earned your temporary place in the hierarchy as an honorary white person, though make sure not to exceed your allowance.

Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 14:22 utc | 289

John2007 @ 283

Agree on China. I order directly from China to my door, totally forget using Amazon anymore.

Ooo, interesting! I wonder if that’s among the reasons Amazon is doing its down delivery? Till just now I figured it was to save money to maintain its free shipping lure. Once it has its own global delivery network Amazon can start using its clout legit or nefarious to impede all other sellers.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 14:24 utc | 290

too scents | May 10 2023 12:09 utc | 254

Decadence and overabundance have blinded the golden hoard.

That should be “horde”, unless it’s a pun, in which case I like it !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | May 10 2023 14:32 utc | 291

West of England Andy @ 289
Yes, I saw that, but that that doesn’t mean it’s true. That grain seems to be a PITA to several nations in the area, claiming it’s doused in pesticides seems an easy way to get the job done and throw a stick in the spokes of Brussels as it over steps even more bounds lumping all issues across eastern Europe into the Ukraine war effort. Certainly green and healthy EU nanny state can’t allow pesticide laden grain to flood in. It just sounds like a propaganda con to me, the crap we plebs eat is all soaked in pesticides. Agriculture like big pharma is a grotesque mafia.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 14:40 utc | 292

The ignorance gets worse with more comments, a level of drunk fools. Texas oil and Russia oil and Ukraine oil are one big happy family. Blind ignorance, or just not wanting to know. Humans are the worst creatures and deserve no remorse.
USA like ww2 will cry and whine until anybody, even imaginary attacks them, such an infantile nation needing attention. The country is a destroyed landscape of abandoned stripmalls where they blame the poor people for being poor! Nation that renames slavery and few decades with a Hollywood film. Trust me bar, it’s not worth saving, unless you evil as fuck

Posted by: Ignorant humans | May 10 2023 14:45 utc | 293

Posted by: Skiffer @ 290
The take away from today’s forum, for me anyway, is that despite their racist bluster white supremacists sure manage to kill a lot of white people. A whole fucking lot! Spread that news around.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 10 2023 14:51 utc | 294

So far I have refrained from name calling or ad hominem, but Deplorable Commissar continues to push the boundaries of attention seeking behavior.
On the Allen shooter – Dude, I don’t know if you had a chance to view his profile at OK.ru while it was still up (seems to have been taken down in the past 12 hours), but I did a deep dive. THOUSANDS of pages of notebook scribbling in pictures posted on his diary-like page. LOTS of swastikas. Are you stupid or do you not understand that there are Latino Hitler lovers? Also are you dense or do you not understand that someone who thinks in loose terms of white supremacy on some matters might also kill white people for other reasons like mental health issues? And are you not aware that there is a “white” and/or “European” identity embraced by LOTS of Hispanics? The guy had relatively light skin and colored eyes, FFS. In any case I read a lot of his ramblings and it wasn’t a “psyop”, it was a deeply disturbed young fool who got sucked into the Qanon/Incel rabbit hole online and never could find his way back out.
On the IMF and Russia and China. Who fucking cares? A supermajority is required for any vote to pass and Russia and China have like a combined 8% of the vote. So again, who fucking cares if they are members? What’s your point?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2023 14:58 utc | 295

” Anyway, good job defending the natural order of white superiority over the lesser races on the internet. You’ve earned your temporary place in the hierarchy as an honorary white person, though make sure not to exceed your allowance.
Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 14:22 utc | 290 ”
Its sad that you assume I care about what you say, Must be lonely in your world. Please find some friends and stop trying to garner attention on random forums.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 14:58 utc | 296

Posted by: Longhorn | May 10 2023 14:06 utc | 285
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out….Aggy.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2023 15:00 utc | 297

“…most of the Bolsheviks or Stalin and his gang weren’t White.
Also, learn how to capitalize White…” Deplorable Commissar@276
That is what a swastika sounds like.

Posted by: bevin | May 10 2023 15:01 utc | 298

In response to LightYearsFromHome@295,
That’s just what the CIA wants you to think. In actual fact, anyone who kills a white person is by definition non-white. If they manage to look white while doing it, they are just white-looking non-whites. The latter may be true of the victims of such events also, which makes things even more confusing.
Now that I think about it, white supremacy may have been a trial balloon for gender fluidity.

Posted by: Skiffer | May 10 2023 15:03 utc | 299

Also, learn how to capitalize White. Thanks for your cooperation.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 10 2023 13:31 utc | 276
White isn’t capitalized unless it’s the beginning word of a sentence, Stormer. Caucasian is, though, and The Dude apparently knows more about what makes a white person than you do.
Back on the Allen shooter – How many actual Latinos do you know personally?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2023 15:04 utc | 300